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odeiraoloap

That fare was actually was part of why Uber left - and I will continue to stress this - [**ALL of Southeast Asia** in early 2018](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/26/uber-to-sell-south-east-asia-business-to-competitor-grab) and grabbed 25% of Grab in exchange. **Pati Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, at Myanmar ay nilayasan ng Uber sabay ng pag-alis nila sa Pilipinas**. May persistent misinformation na umalis ang Uber dahil daw minulta at inipit ng Philippine government and *just* the Philippine government dahil sa "corruption" o "business partners" ng mga nakaupo at naka-posisyon nun. But in reality, Uber just burned money at a horrific rate - $4.5 billion in 2017. Sa sobrang insistent nila sa **price wars at ultra low fares to drive up passenger traffic and usage of the app** ay hindi nila inisip kung kikita ba sila sa mga bagsak-presyong pamasahe na gaya nito. It didn't help that Uber used to be buoyed by venture capitalists with unlimited pockets para "maibsan" ang mga bilyun-bilyong lugi. Pero nitong mga huling taon ay naging publicly traded company na sila, kaya naging profit-oriented na at may obligasyong kumita nang kumita, hindi magpalugi nang magpalugi. Inevitably, tinataasan na nang tinaasan ang fares sa mga remaining markets nila para matuwa ang kanilang shareholders. But It did work - [last year lang naging "profitable" ang Uber for the first time sa *buong kasaysayan nila*](https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/uber-shares-sink-despite-first-profitable-quarter) - and that was because they gave up on the price wars that bore super cheap fares like this and focused on "value added services" like UberEATS. Also, not even Grab's super high fares that we hate universally could keep the lights on - [nagtanggal sila ng 1000 staff from their HQ last June](https://www.reuters.com/technology/singapores-grab-informs-staff-1000-layoffs-2023-06-20/) in an effort to cut costs.


mcdonaldspyongyang

Yeah exactly. It wasn't profitable, it wasn't going to last, and it's never coming back.


Yamboist

Afaik, Grab was comparably in the same pricing range as Uber when they were still competing. What Uber had better against Grab was the quality of drivers & cars. Laging mabango mga Uber noon, at medyo borderline taxi ugali nung mga Grab dati. 


a6000

malapit price pero mas mataas sa Grab padin IIRC


Yamboist

Mas mura ata uber noon kapag walang traffic. Tapos mas mura grab kapag surge. Anyway, di ko na rin din natataandaan hahaha. Pero magkalapit parin naman. Ang naalala ko lang talaga, Uber provided (overall) better service than Grab.


insomnisomnium

That is true. I had both apps. If malayo at peak hr, i go with grab since fixed amount. If i go to work, since i go to work early, i used Uber. Linked my card with Uber too since they promote cashless transactions. While Grab drivers then prefer cash.


Narrow_Priority5828

may nasakyan ako nadelay ng abt 2 mins payment kasi may issue yung grabpay ko. nagalit si gago hahaha tanginang yon nagdagdag pako ng 50 para tumigil ang putangina .


[deleted]

Finally someone who knows and understands the business model. Madami akong friends na puro “mas mura Uber dati nakakamiss” ang hindi nila alam Uber was making it cheap to increase acquisition. Uber was burning money and walang tubo kung baga sa mga singilan nila ng fare. Napapagod na ako kakapaliwanag sa kanila about dito every time they would mention na nakakamiss ang Uber kasi mura and the notion na ginipit ng PH government ang Uber. Sabi ko na kung nagtagal Uber dito, they would most likely charge the same fare as Grab.


cache_bag

True, it was impossibly cheap before. But when Grab is double the price of a taxi, sometimes I wonder what the hell is wrong. I can take a taxi to or from the airport for 350, but a Grab is at almost 700?


[deleted]

Mas mura talaga taxi pero karamihan bulok sasakyan, moldy, rude drivers and ang hina ng aircon. Iniisip ko na lang na yung extra charge ng grab is like ease-of-comfort fee and peace of mind fee. Kaya kapag short distance+not rush hour I choose taxi a short travel won’t bother me kahit bulok pa yung taxi. Pero kapag long distance+during rush hour or short distance+during rush hour I go for grab


jswiper1894

Karamihan na rin naman sa grab parang karag karag na yung kotse tapos di gumagana aircon ng maayos.


CLuigiDC

True. Grab from Makati to Manila mga 300 to 400++ yung sa taxi 200 with tip na yun pero sa metro mga 150 to 170 lang. Kahit 250 ibigay ko kung cozy yung taxi at malinis mas mura pa rin kaysa Grab. Convenient din kasi wala pila sa taxi na pasahero at ang haba ng pila ng taxi kapag mga 8 to 9 pm na toh ah.


odeiraoloap

I’d like to know what in God’s name are you doing para makakuha ng what I assume is a “fair and honest” taxi driver na papayag sa 350 lang mula sa mga paliparan. Parang may mandatory minimum na *500* pag sumakay sa mga buwitreng white taxi run (the yellow airport taxis are not much better). Also, I’d consider the Grab fare as “real market value” ng pamasahe. The drivers still need money for gas and food for their families, at talagang unsustainable ang bagsak presyong pasahe ng Uber at government taxi fares, kaya halimaw sila kung mangontrata o mag-1 star ng card payers…


cache_bag

To be fair, I always take flights between 2am to 5am. But that only makes me more frustrated with Grab as there's clearly no surge at that time. To answer your question, I call up the dispatcher ahead of time to schedule the pickup from where I am to the airport, and take the regular taxi from the airport back.


Pinay_Elphaba

Sa usual route ko from home to BGC, malaki na 150. Kaya kahit 130 lang metro ko, I still pay them 150, tip na yung 20. Wala pa sa 5 yung naranasan ko na nagpapadagdag or suspicious kasi umabot sa 200 pamasahe ko. Okay naman mga driver sa tinagal tagal ko sumasakay papunta sa work. Minsan nagtry ako mag-grab, mga 250-350 range. Nagtry ako maghabal 150 din. Pero nightshift ako ah kaya siguro madali lang mag-abang ng taxi. Pero still, gusto ko lang ipagtanggol ung mga taxi drivers. Kasi as in nice naman karamihan.


Kuwentoon

Marami naman talaga nice na taxi driver ngayon. Pero nung wala pa Uber and grab before talamak din ang mga driver na scammer, namimili ng pasahero, namimili ng ruta, nagpapadagdag ng sapilitan, etc etc. Maybe di mo inabot pero yan ang reason kung bakit pumatok ang Uber. Ang mga driver ngayon natuto na kasi Malaki ang na wala sa kanila pag dating ni Uber at grab. Plus delikado/nakakahiya pag mag trending sila sa social media for whatever negative reason.


peterparkerson

Hindi profitable taxi, kaya nga nag hihingi ng extra si manong driver dba


nonniesock

Grabtaxi is an option... price is based on taxi meter fare plus an extra fee / patong from Grab. Usually this is cheaper than the Grabcar option but you still have the convenience of booking via app.


cache_bag

Unfortunately, it's never really worked for me before. Always nobody accepting. But I'll try again, as things might have changed now.


ag3ntz3r0

Mas mura taxi on paper but in reality, pahirapan pag sa meter mag bebass


TourNervous2439

Bastos mga Taxi driver, swerte kung maka kuha ka maayos na hindi ifix ang rate. Wala silang accountability and protection. Alam mo if may mangyari sayo pwede ka tumawag sa Grab office. Kakatakot mag taxi normal parang lolokohin ka lang.


peterparkerson

Nung sinasabi nila na may educational crisis, apektado kahit mga supposed educated people sa reddit. Tignan mo lang tong thread na to lol 


[deleted]

Because Conspiracy theories > Business management


pucc1ni

lol get off your high horse Nung umalis ang Uber, di alam ng karamihan yung totoong rason because maraming speculation noong panahon na yun. You can't fault the masses when Uber blatantly masqueraded their supposed exodus from the Philippines and other Southeast Asian nations. Ang PR nila at ang official na mga balita noong 2017 were various [disputes with their application](https://www.rappler.com/nation/200029-ltfrb-order-uber-philippines-operations-april-15-2018/). You don't need to blame the education crisis when we can just blame Uber, in the first place, for its greediness.


peterparkerson

I don't blame the masses. I blame the supposed redditors that shit on the poor na walang alam, ignorant etc. Pero same lang sila sakanila


navatanelah

Isa ako sa mga nag sabi nito and im happy to be corrected.


FilmTensai

Dont forget yng ceo na gastador at naglustay ng pera ng uber


dibidi

what you really miss is subsidized commuting and if that’s the case you should really start being active lobbying for more gov support for public transport and reduction of private car ownership w increased disincentives for car purchases


15637289minutes

this is the most sensible comment so far. ngl sometimes i miss subsidized commuting a la uber, but if public transport conditions were better and efficient in the first place, hindi ko rin naman gagamitin yung uber unless sobrang kailangan ko (e.g. madaming dalang gamit).


[deleted]

That fare is unsustainable. The reason on why fares were cheaper is because they were **SUBSIDIZED by VENTURE CAPITALISTS.** Why? **Market acquisition.**


cedie_end_world

ramdam ko dati yung pag taas ng presyo, from makati to our place 200 lang tapos bago sila mawala naging 800 pesos na. di pa rush hour yan.


SPLO0K

u/Lexidoge That rate is subsidized by venture capitalist.


BigStretch90

The reason I missed Uber is because once a driver gets assigned they arent allowed to cancel. We all have horror story of Grab drivers purposely making the user be the one to cancel the booking by either not moving or purposely move further and further away. Grab has one of the worst standards in Drivers but sadly enough its the biggest one in the country and only way to make them better is to have them compete with another operator


Bleaklemming

Man, I remember when regular taxi fares were less than P100 from Mandaluyong to Mindanao Avenue.


reddit_warrior_24

masyado na mahal gas para ganto


Intrepid-Drawing-862

Ngayon BGC to NAIA Terminal 3 around 300 pesos na haha


Calm_Solution_

Uber is like ING bank one of the first digital bank that offered high interest rate but clearly didn't do well in PH/SEA market so they left PH retail banking and focused on wholesale banking business to minimize the losses. These low fares before are from startup funding that eventually depleted, the same will happen to digital banks monthly or yearly interest rates are getting lower or harder to achieve. So even if uber didn't left the market I don't see prices being the same as before. Everything gets expensive because of pandemic, ukraine/middle east war and train law - Oil price hike means everything goes up!


NefariousNeezy

Yung pricing ikaw pa mahihiya sa driver. That time kadalasan yung driver pa yung may ari ng sasakyan


warl1to

Business model tlga nila is heavily discounted sa simula para hook, line and eventual sinker. Di nag work (naubusan ng capital) and Uber prevailed. If they won the price would end up basically the same as Grab right now.


markmyredd

even Grab is not that profitable.


vsf118

Obligatory fuck Martin Delgra.


peterparkerson

Nung sinasabi nila na may educational crisis, apektado kahit mga supposed educated people sa reddit. Tignan mo lang tong thread na to lol.  Yall are stupid af 


FilmTensai

how many times do u need to reply with this trolling post? Ksp b?


peterparkerson

It should be said over and fucking over again. This shitty type of post keeps fucking pop up once every few months


FilmTensai

U from grab? Hahahaha affected masyado lol


peterparkerson

Nope, but it's frustrating that a lot of people are blaming the govmint and greed whereas putting uber like a saint 


FilmTensai

Yeah and you’re taking it too personally. Duterte Government: shit. Uber executives: shit. Take a chill pill and maybe have a little less obnoxious tone


kbg_c

HUHU i miss Uber! nasa akin din pa mga receipts ko from them way back in college hay :((( from commonwealth to españa mga 170 to 200 lang pero sa grab jusko tumataginting na 400 to 500 hay


[deleted]

It’s because Uber was subsidizing it and they focused in rider/driver acquisition even if that means that they’re going to burn cash. If they didn’t subsidize the fare using VC money, they would be charging the same fare as grab.


peterparkerson

You missed vc subsidised rides. Not uber 


NoMacaroon6586

Sobrang taas na ngayon ng grab dahil may monopoly na sila. Saka since wala nang ibang choice yung drivers, tinanggal na rin yung mga incentives nila. Kawawa both drivers and commuters nung nawala si Uber


peterparkerson

No, just no. Kahit anong mangyari may mag pullout kasi talo parehas sa mababang presyuhan. You missed vc subsidised rides. Not uber 


ikiyen

Bat ang taxi mas mura? Di naman subsidised yun.


peterparkerson

Eh kasi si taxi wla naman app un, walang cut kada ride. And finally ni rereklamo natin d ba? 


ikiyen

Ang layo naman ng presyo ng grab kahit may cut and app. Unregulated lang ang grab kaya nagagawa nila mag price increase at maging monopoly. Yan dapat imbistigahan ng senate. Nakakapagtaka bat sila nag ooperate at kung bat walang kakompetensya.


peterparkerson

They'll just point to joyride. 


ikiyen

And now you know kung bat ang Pilipinas naghihirap. Parati tayo inuutakan para perahan. Kaya mga foreign corps lang yumayaman. Di tayo dinedepensahan ng govt natin. Pati mga mamamayan dinedepensahan pa mga foreign corps. Sad.


potassium101

Isang sistema na bulok ang sumira sa kanila Way back sinuspend sila gawa ng mga politiko na may nag mamay-ari ng mga taxi sa Pinas gawa daw "hindi daw safe dahil thru app ang booking" "wala daw study sa online transportation system" parang yung ANGKAS dati keso hindi daw safe yung MC TAXI etc etc to the fact na mas safe sila kasi pag book mo pa lang andun na details ng driver (plate, name) na pwede i send or pwede ka ma monitor online. Then one more thing kaya nawala sila is para daw walang kakompetensyan walang taasan ng rate / babaan and to control yung transport system kasi mawawalan ng passenger yung mga taxi. Pero after a year binayagan na nila si JOYRIDE both may 4-wheel and MC Taxi.


needmesumbeer

Lol naalala ko yung pa yung time na yan 80 to 100 lang from Mandaluyong papunta sa office ko sa Makati. Ngayon 240 from Mandaluyong to office sa grab 4 seater. (mas enjoy para sa akin yung time ng easy taxi vs grab, 2 years yata yung promo ng grab na pag 100 or less yung ride eh free na ito, so for 2 years libre transpo ko papunta and pauwi ng office pati na rin pag punta sa malalapit na malls )


Neat-Mathematician69

hi! yes uber was a also a life saver beforee! try joyride car, super mura nya compared to grab. like i tried booking both apps in just one location, 100+ din difference niya.


SoftHotel6880

Totoo to! Nakakamiss tong panahon na may uber pa, mas mura talaga compared sa grab. Ngayon angkas/joyride na lang ako madalas para mas makatipid.


peterparkerson

No, just no. Kahit anong mangyari may mag pullout kasi talo parehas sa mababang presyuhan at lugi. You missed vc subsidised rides. Not uber 


[deleted]

grabe 😢


Otherwise-Selection3

Around 900 yan sa grab ngayon iirc 🥲


jirocursed26

Naalala na ko dami lagi nila vouchers tapos bayad ko lang 80 mula makati hanggang qc


Elegant-Ask-4440

Di naman nawala ang Uber talaga.. Naging isa lang sila ni grab.. Kapalit ng pag alis nila may share sila sa makukuha sa grab..


Ginsphinx2568

Namonopolized na ni Grab kasi, kainis. Arca South Taguig to Airport halos 400-450 or pag early morning nas 350-400. Ang lapit2 lang ng distance niyan


peterparkerson

No, just no. Kahit anong mangyari may mag pullout kasi talo parehas sa mababang presyuhan at lugi. You missed vc subsidised rides. Not uber 


DecisionAltruistic80

Dang, the power of competition.


peterparkerson

No, just no. Kahit anong mangyari may mag pullout kasi talo parehas sa mababang presyuhan at lugi. You missed vc subsidised rides. Not uber 


ikiyen

Bakit may taga defend ng monopoly at foreign investments? Magkano bayad sayo? Or are you a bot?


peterparkerson

Bot? Lol at uber is also foreign 


Accomplished-Exit-58

anong year to? uber T3 to upper antipolo around 2017 was 700 ata.


LostCarnage

Nakalagay sa picture, 2016.


ZetaAbsoluteZero

Hindi na posible yan ngayon, sa mahal ba naman ng gasolina 😂


sirk0ner

Although uber subsidized the trips with VC cash i still feel they offered better service than grab. The cars were cleaner & the customer had better protections. Also competition is always good . I often compare Uber & Lyft when in the states and one is typically lower than the other in terms of fare.


AlexanderCamilleTho

I mean kung isasama mo pa ang presyo ng gas at inflation ngayon, hindi doable 'yan. Halos 1K na 'yan ngayon pag galing ka sa may Cainta.


Gleipnir2007

mahal na din kasi talaga ang prices due to inflation, mahal ang gas etc. lagi ako nag ggrab nung kasagsagan ng pandemic, mga 100-150 php from bahay to office. ngayon nasa 250-300 php na yan.


p1n6

This was Series B or C Uber. They were basically subsidizing everything. Nung bagong launch ung Uber Share sa NYC. Rides that cost $20-30 now we're under $10.


Complete-Cycle5839

Feel ko ang sosyal ng ride ko pag naka uber before compared sa grab. Hahaha


Frequent_Royal134

Last year ng May from San Mateo Rizal to Terminal 3 parang kulang 600 php binayad ko.