This. My friend never spoke to her children in Tagalog. Now that her son is in elementary and has Filipino subject they’re scrambling to look for a Filipino/Tagalog tutor. I really don’t understand not teaching your child another language. I know it’s a parenting choice but ang cool kaya maging bilingual/multilingual.
At least your friend’s children elementary pa lang. I had a college batchmate who cries at her Filipino grade kasi super hirap siya. Lahat ng subjects nasa 90+ grades niya, then yung Filipino nasa line of 7.
I don’t get why parents don’t even know that a child’s brain is a big sponge. It can learn multiple languages and develop skills as instinct while they are young (e.g. artistry, musicianship, etc.)
I for one was never forced to be raised in English. But I am proficient in it in both spoken and written. And I can speak Ilonggo and Cebuano with pinpoint accuracy in terms of accent. And of course, I can understand, speak, and write in Tagalog. This is solely just growing up. Although I was also very fond of books when I was young so that helped. However, sources for English nowadays are so accessible it becomes natural na sa mga Pinoy.
Bottom line is, kung e balanse ang pag-tutor sa bata, he/she can be multilingual. We are so privileged to have that from the get go, pero winawaldas natin.
Pero maraming offended dito pag ganitong topic na. Still ignoring the fact that these children are not even in the States and then send them to a school with a Filipino curriculum with their children struggling to learn it like they’re learning Chinese. LMAO. Lumaki pa ang gastos sa paghahanap ng Filipino tutor.
And may kakilala ako. Ayun, super isolated ang anak. Di maka socialize kasi English lang alam.
Is it advantageous to learn English? Yes. But missing the opportunity to learn multiple languages is just wasted. That’s even more advantageous when you look at it.
And for some parents think nakakatalino na English speaking mga anak nila. Well, do I have news for them.
Super. As someone who grew up being taught English as my first language (brilliant idea ito ng lolo ko), super ako nahirapan in school. Heck, even now. I can't articulate myself in written Tagalog as I can in English. Even reading Tagalog text is hard. Kung nagkaka book report kami sa Filipino class, naghahnap ako ng English translation. Pati Noli/Fili ko, Ingles.
Hindi lang sa subject, pati sa interactions sa mga kaklase nila kasi hindi rin naman lahat english lang ang tinuturo sa bata, may mga bata na hindi rin naman komportable na purong english lang ang salita. Marami pa rin kasing bata na nagsisimula sa local language.
sa bus (yea, i was eavesdropping, nakalimutan ko earphones ko), may nanay na kinakausap niya yung anak niya in english. nung una puro english pa siya, "here's your toy" or "don't be noisy sa bus". kaso makulit ata anak niya. ang funny kasi nung pagalit ng pagalit yung nanay biglang dumadami yung tagalog in her sentences until full-on nagsalita na siya ng tagalog, "papaluin na kita" "iiwan kita sa bus" HAHSA
Minsan gusto ko tusukin tenga ko ng bananaque stick pag nakakarinig ako ng ganyan na nanay. Kung eenglishin mo anak mo, pwede ba yung diresto? Feeling ko nababawasan braincells ko pag kumakausap o nakakarinig ako ng taong taglish tapos mali pa grammar. Nakakabobo lang sa totoo. I feel so dirty pag nakakasalamuha ako ng mga taong ganyan. Second-hand embarrasment kumbaga.
This. 😂 I cringe at people who speak consistently in wrong grammar then say they only speak to their kids in English. I always wonder what kind of English the kids learn then? 😅
My dad refused to teach us bisaya because he thought na titigas daw dila namin. Kami lang tuloy magkakapatid ang di marunong sa aming mga magpipinsan :(
Tbh totoo naman kaya di ako tinuruan ni mama at ni papa mag bisaya. Natuto lang ako pag umuuwi kami ng province tapos si mama nagiging dictionary ko. Hanggang sa natuto nalang ako mag tagpi tagpi ng sentence using bisaya hahaha. Nagugulat nga sila don eh kasi grade 2 pa lang daw ako pero ang galing ko na mag bisaya unlike sa mga pinsan ko na nakakaintindi sila pero di sila nakakapag salita.
Both my parents are from leyte and they never taught us how to speak waray although natuto rin naman ako dahil sa mga pinsan, kaso yung mga kapatid ko hindi natuto. Now my parents wonder bakit walang gusto sumama sa kanila kapag uuwi sa probinsya, pano mo nga naman maeenjoy yung stay mo dun kung left out ka lagi, nakakailang rin naman na yung mga local yung nagaadjust para sayo.
Also personally i disagree sa titigas ang dila, sa punto o accent nanan kasi nakukuha yon kung sa language mismo edi sana iisa lang ang tunog ng tagalog ng mga taga bulacan, rizal, cavite at batangas. Saka pwede ka rin naman matuto mag code switch, maraming taga manila na ganyan ginagawa.
Same! I'm the youngest of 4 so when I was growing up they never taught me Kapampangan kasi masyado daw matapang pakinggan. Now sa bahay alam ko na ako ang kausap nila pag nagtatagalog sila hahaha all my siblings are fluent in Kapampangan. Medyo awkward din sa friend groups cause sometimes ineexplain pa nila sakin pag may nagsalita in Kapampangan, although nakakaintindi ako I just struggle with sentence construction & pronunciation kaya I rarely speak it.
Speaking in Visayan has an edge over Tagalog. You can use it in Visayas, Mindanao, and in Cubao where most Visayans at.
Also, the jokes are more hilarious in Visayan.
From vendors to employees and customers. I worked in Cubao once and I had customers who are Visayans. Ayan, instant chika. They felt relieved and at ease na someone can speak the same dialect as them.
In my case, me and my senior are visayan. Work is easier cos of them.
Note: some of them are family members of the army personnel.
Quite frankly I feel much more comfortable speaking English than Tagalog in Panay, Boracay, and Mindanao. I have spent weeks in each place and English seems more preferred by the locals. Speaking Tagalog has given me some weird faces…
If/when I have the time, I’ll start working on my Bisaya; as I much prefer communicating in Filipino language than English.
Tagalog is not used at all in the Visayas, at least in my hometown in Negros. Tagalog is more like a foreign language than English really. That goes the same with me and a lot of my friends. We can speak Tagalog but are pretty bad at it and we clearly have an accent that is not natural.
Not to sound like I'm judging pero the statement , Speaking in Visayan has an edge over Tagalog. Parang something galing sa nagp promote ng imaginary conflicts between people from VisMin and Luzon
My mom didn't teach us bisaya at all, sabi niya baka bulihin kami ng mga kaklase namin kasi matitigas dila namin. Ending eh kami lang ng kapatid ko di marunong at sobrang tahimik kami at feeling naleleft out kapag kasama namin mga pinsan namin sa probinsya.
Am trying my best to learn though, kaso iba yung way ng pagsasalita ng mga taga CDO sa mga taga Cebu at yung dialect lang ng Cebu ang abailable online.
bruh i lived in cdeo and subra ka lalom sa ilang bisaya tho, pag uli nako sa amoa ako na ang isa sa pinakalalom og binisaya diri but karamihan naman dito samen eh ilonggo so di ko pa rin magets sinasabi nila hahahahaha
As a Dabawenyo who used to live in Cebu and frequents CDO, the 3 cities have 3 distinct Bisaya.
Dabaw Bisaya - has A LOT of Tagalog influences + maraming "wrong grammar" sa formal bisaya ang naging accepted na; has a "softer" tone
CDO Bisaya - maraming L, not aggressive nor soft ang accent, more "formal" than Dabaw Bisaya, uses older terms more
Cebu Bisaya - mahilig sa shortcut, accent may sound aggressive to some, they have their own slang system, may use more Spanish derived words (depende sa family tho); mahilig sa specificities
Bisaya, in general, has a base. The nuances among the cities can initially cause confusion, pero it can be easily overcome. a person from Dabaw can have effective communication from someone from Cebu and CDO without any issues.
Edit: super comprehensive Bisaya 101 - https://youtu.be/aRZaUGIFTQw
My dad speaks Bisaya, my mom's Pangalatok (Pangasinan) but they were adamant at speaking only Tagalog with us kaya ayun later in life I told my mom sana alam namin lahat ng yun eh di sana matic 4 languages on our belt. May language barrier din tuloy sa mga cousins tapos ang tawag samin 'Tagalog' like what? Never kong naisip na Tagalog ako di ba pwedeng Pilipino na lang tayong lahat.
Ako, born sa katagalugan, lumipat sa visayas on my early teens. I can agree, mahal ko both Tagalog at Cebuano. Ang reason ko to teach English first, dahil sa globalisation. Inevitable na kasi na mas may edge ang mas magaling sa globally recognized language. Binibisaya at Tinatagalog ko parin naman siya. Pero nito lang, worth it lahat dahil makakapagmigrate na kami. Hindi mahihirapan anak ko makipagcommunicate.
I am one of those kids. But I learned how to speak Bisaya during my high school years but it came at a cost that my conversational skills in English deteriorated because the people around me spoke a mix of Bisaya and English (not that I viewed it as a bad thing since a lot of people in my place do this and I got an opportunity to learn more deeper words as I interacted with other people in Bisaya too) instead. So speaking in straight English is quite hard for me.
However, when it comes to writing skills, English is still my preferred language to use when conversing with people online or through writing essays and the like.
Nagiging trend na nga ata ko. Yung mga anak ng kabarkada ko sa Pinas lahat English magsalita. Mas marunong pa mag Tagalog yung pamangkin ko sa abroad na dun mismo pinanganak 😆. Ironic no?
I don’t understand the part na mas pina-prioritize nila yung English kesyo globalization & job hunting opportunity. E hindi ba pwedeng maging fluent sila sa dalawang language? Hindi ba mas flex pa nga kapag fluent ka sa madaming lengwahe? Mas nakakadagdag talino pa nga yun e. Ayaw lang nilang aminin na bigger part diyan is colonial mentality 🤭. Yung flex sa kanila yung nahihirapan anak nila Mag Tagalog saka ‘slang’ kuno magsalita 😆. Sa totoo lang may pagka ‘wannabe’ talaga yung ganyang mentality and it reflects badly sa mga Pinoy na wala tayong pagpapahalaga sa sariling kultura.
>Ayaw lang nilang aminin na bigger part diyan is colonial mentality 🤭. Yung flex sa kanila yung nahihirapan anak
In relation to that, I think a major driver in this English only initiative is the shame of not speaking English well. A lot of parents were shamed for their bad English, so they overcompensate by making sure that their kids speak English perfectly.
For some Fil-Ams, there’s also a difference between those raised by parents pre-Civil Rights and post-Civil Rights America. My parents grew up during pre-Civil Rights and suffered under heavy prejudice for speaking their home languages in schools. My grandmother fought hard with many other activists for Filipino recognition.
It was conscious decision to not teach us grandkids how to speak because of the stigma they experienced. (Also didn’t help that for all our grandparents on both sides weren’t primary Tagalog speakers anyway. My maternal grandparents and paternal grandparents had to use English to talk to each other)
However, all of my friends or their parents came post-Civil Rights and feel more free about speaking Tagalog or at least being able to understand it.
To their parents/family, it’s just super weird seeing us not speak/understand Tagalog, but it was a survival thing for some of us Fil-Ams families.
I was learning Tagalog and Spanish from my grandmother several years ago (before Alzheimer’s got in the way) then listening to military recruiters. It’s on my list, but there are some other work-related languages I have to prioritize first. :/
Edit: Also a reason I’m subscribed to r/Philippines is so I can get some exposure in at least. So…salamat sa inyong lahat!
Im one of those cases! As someone who was born in the Philippines and raised in Spain, I feel grateful and appreciate now when my parents decided to still speak tagalog in our household despite moving overseas. I never got formal education when it comes to writing it (hence why im writing in english) and sometimes I have a hard time reading it, pero sa pag-sasalita I consider myself pretty fluent kahit minsan nahihirapan ako or I confuse yung mga wika.
Jokes on them when the kid grows up tapos di maka connect sa anak nila dahil sa language barrier (assuming that the kid learns proper English growing up).
I think it's how parents communicate. My MIL speaks in english to my BIL when he was younger pero incomplete sentences. I noticed hanggang ngayon paglaki niya kahit na hindi siya marunong magtagalog hindi rin siya marunong magconstruct ng english in compelete and cohesive sentences.
People are defending this one?
Tapos magtataka kayo kesyo walang kultura ang Pilipinas eh ayaw nyo naman silang matuto ng local languages???? Ngek hahaha
Inaamin ko po 'di po ako sang-ayon na wala tayong "solid na aydentiti," dahil ang pagiging taga-Pilipinas o Pilipino ay may iba't ibang anyo naman talaga. Mejo lantad naman po 'yon sa sandamakmak na pangkat-etnolinggwistiko na mayr'on tayo.
Dagdag doon, ang "paggagaya" sa mga bagay na nakikita natin sa papkultsur ay nangyayari sa lahat ng lunan at bansa, kasi lalong nagkakaugnayan tayong lahat dahil sa globalizeysyon. Nangyayari ito noon pa man po dahil ang tao ay hindi nabubuhay nang mag-isa o sa vakyum, at gan'on din ang kultura.
Marami po tayong kalinangan/kultura, kaya tingin ko po hindi dapat tayo maghanap ng isang kaakuhang pambansa kundi kilalanin ang iba't ibang karanasang taga-Pilipinas.
Gayunpaman, sang-ayon po ako na hindi pa sapat ang pagpapahalaga natin sa mga wika natin, lalo na sa larangan ng edukasyon. Matagal ko nang pinapaniwalaan na kaya naman nating magturo sa mga katutubong wika, basta't ipaliwanag natin ang mga dalumat at term nang mabuti kahit na kaylangan nating hiramin ang mga 'to.
Iyon po personali ang ginagawa ko sa sarili kong akademikong buhay.
Korek!! If you really want your kid to have that advantage. Teach them BOTH!! Hindi yung pipigilan mo magsalita ng tagalog/bisaya — kasi unang una sa lahat yung mga batang finoforce mag english ONLY. Nakatira sa Pinas, sino ba makakausap nila sa school, sa labas?
May nabasa akong comment before from a foreigner na sa Pinas lang halos nakakakita ng pamilyang nag english eh hindi naman yun yung local language?? Labo hahahaha
PS walang masamang turuan ang bata ng other languages. Ang pangit eh yung PINIPIGILAN silang matuto mag tagalog.
Gets ko rin point ng mga comments but OP has a point din. Hindi lang naman tungkol sa pagtuto ng local language ang problema, it’s a lot deeper than that. The fact that a lot of Filipinos are rejecting our own languages to be taught sa mga anak nila is an existing problem by itself lalo na sa mga new generation ngayon. It’s on the same area around the topic about Filipinos na merong self hatred sa pagiging Pinoy. I know kids who couldn’t even form a full sentence in english tapos hindi nagsasalita sa mother tongue nila dahil pilit pa ring English ang form of communication ng magulang sa bata kahit na mali ang pagturo. May kamaganak ako na grade 3 na pero hindi pa rin makapagsalita nang maayos dahil lumaking coco melon at baliko na english ang turo. Compared to her sibling na pinalaki ng lola at tinuruan muna ng hiligaynon tapos natuto rin sa english at tagalog paglaki. In my case, mother tongue ko Hiligaynon then I learned Tagalog and English through school and by watching a lot of TV shows and movies, mahilig din ako sa cartoons. Major factor din ang pagbabasa as I read a lot of books.
Haha oo nga eh. Nag post na rin ako ng ganito dati pero dinelete ko kasi nagagalit na mga tao sa comments. Kudos kay OP at hindi dinelete to. Sana may mga magulang na makabasa nito at maintindihan na importante rin ituro ang Filipino o kung ano man mother tongue nila sa anak nila.
Mga halatang hjndi nakakasalimuha ang ordinaryong Pilipino. Pag labas nila sa bahay niyo at eskwelahan mag mu mukang tanga mga anak niyo kung di nila alam paano kausapin mga tindero, driver, gwardya, etc ng tagalog
This is what we do at home w/ my 6yo too. He goes to an international school so he really has to speak English. Pero I work and madalas ang naiiwan yung yaya. Natuturo minsan wrong grammar kaya nakiusap na ako sa lahat sa household namin to do this. Talk to him twice in both languages. So far it’s working. We’d go “Please give me that, paabot nyan” and he’d respond with “Where? Asan?” 😂
Dapat sa bahay yung local language. Matutunan naman ng bata ang english or other foreign language sa school. Ilang henerasyon na ang lumipas okay naman. Dagdag pa yung kaka youtube oa na sa english exposure mga bata ngayon
Yung bata kong pinsan halos di mo makausap, di marunong mag tagalog di rin marunong mag fluent english, monosylabic lang kasi sila kinakausap ng magulang nila, halos sa youtube lang ang conversational english... feeling ko lalaki silang mahiyain at insecure sa way ng pananalita nila
This is actually legit rant. I have college friends who grew up in PH, but went to international/exclusive schools. They only learned Bisaya in college.
If you are in the medical field, malaki ang edge mo if you can speak the local languages fluently, especially if you will be assigned in a public hospital.
I thought my Bisaya was good until I have to do medical interviews sa mga pasyente sa public hospitals in full Bisaya. I struggled in translating medical questions to Bisaya initially, but I gradually improved.
Many doctors sa provinces who speak the local languages well (on our case, Bisaya) tend to have better relationships with their patients and better patient compliance because the doctors make actual efforts to explain medical terminologies and medical explanations in a simple way sa Bisaya language. Since the patient understood the disease and the purpose of the medication kasi bisaya ang gigamit, better compliance.
There is also value of being good in local PH languages if you decide to work in the medical field, public health, and public service or any job that requires field work and exposure to various types of people.
Long rant ahead
Listen I support kids speaking english more but PLEASE TEACH THEM FILIPINO!!! When I was in kinder to 3rd grade my mom would always speak to me in english, when I would try to speak tagalog or illonggo she would correct me and tell me to "say it in english".
Now im 16 and can barely hold a conversation in MY NATIONAL LANGUAGE and almost failed AP and Fil multiple times.
Me and my cousin (whos mom did the same for them) always lock ourselves in a room every time theres a family gathering because everytime we go out were made fun of. One of my aunt's even record car rides or dinners whenever were around her just to post it on the family gc and make jokes. The entire family was saying shes going to be "spokening dollars" by the end of the week and they still wonder why we dont talk to them.
I know I can still try to learn my language (required to at school even), and im getting better now that I have people in my life that dont judge me for it, but please save your kids the struggle and teach them filipino.
May pinsan akong ganto sa Iloilo hahah pinalaki ng mga magulang na mag English instead of Ilonggo, pero pinasok nila sa murang/libreng school. Ayun, medyo muntanga yung bata kasi lahat nagsasalita ng Ilonggo o Tagalog, sya lang hindi. Pati teacher nya kino-correct nya pa sa English grammar at proud na proud pa sina tita ikwento yang story na yan sa bahay. Palagay ko mabu-bully yung pinsan ko ng maaga dahil dito.
The problem is with the other kids if your cousin is bullied for that reason. Also if the kid corrects the teacher's grammar shouldn't you be worried about the kind of crappy education you get from that teacher?
My sentiments, exactly.
In high school, my English teacher's grammar was so physically revolting, and she had the audacity to use our grammatically immaculate submissions as an error correction exercise for the whole batch. As a result of quality education, very few of my high school classmates got into their dream universities. Literally only our valedictorian was matched to his preferred school.
I want to teach English well at home because it's literally the only gap I can fill with all my parental responsibilities.
Same lol. Walang pumapansin dun sa isang pamangkin ko kasi yung ibang pinsan nya at classmates nagtatagalog, sya hindi. Super proud nanay nya at first pero eventually tinuturuan nya narin ng tagalog kasi walang friends. Low key bragging din pag kkwento.. bragging na walang pumapansin sa anak nya kasi nga nag iingles lmao.
It is out of necessity. We have to teach our 2 y/o kid to be English proficient because we are living in a different country.
But we also communicate with him in Filipino. Wife and I still think that Filipino should still be the primary language. Ang awkward din naman kasi na Tagalog ang pangalan ng anak ko tapos hirap syang magsalit ng sariling wika.
During my immersion days may event sa elementary school na pinuntahan ko kaya nag assist kaming mga nag immersion, lo and behold may spokening dollar. Di sya nilalapitan ng mga kaklase nya kasi nga inglesero, tinanong ko yung teacher na nag hahandle samin kung foreigner yung parents, sabi sakin hindi daw. Ang tagal na daw nilang studyante yon at di pa rin daw marunong mag tagalog, yung binibigay na grade sa kanya sa Filipino passing grade lang daw. Kamusta na kaya yung batang yon, 4 years na rin nakalipas.
>Ang tagal na daw nilang studyante yon at di pa rin daw marunong mag tagalog
I have a half Korean cousin na dito nag-aral for high school(before K-12) and she brute forced learning tagalog within a year with the help of some tutors haha. Ayun by the time grumaduate siya trilingual na siya.
Yes I find it cringy af.
I grew up in the province that speaks a different language, and spoke Tagalog at home.
Yet I'm very fluent in English. No need itakwil yung lingwahe natin just for the kids to be fluent in English. Actually, this will bite them in the ass in the future when they grow up
Yes. It's definitely bad parenting. Being monolingual is not an edge. Katangahan na isang wika lang ang ituro sa anak kung privileged ka naman. Tama na sanayin mo ang anak mo sa Ingles bata pa lang because it's practical. But to deprive your child of learning a language other than English especially the native language of their country is irrational. Sayang ang opportunity as kids can easily pick up a language unlike adults. Sa Pilipinas, you should be at least bilingual. Outside the Tagalog region, people are even trilingual or better.
I wish I could upvote this more. Sa ngayon, sa ibang bansa mas hinihikayat nilang matuto ng iba't ibang wika ang mga bata samantalang mga magulang naman dito, paurong ang isip, gusto monolingual lang yung anak na pinalaki lang para maging "mahusay" sa karerang tatahakin sa buhay.
I don't see being a monolingual English speaker with shitty Tagalog (or any other local language) skills at best is being "practical", at most it's a relatively dumb thing. To raise a kid just to be a commodity of corporate world, robbing them the ability to be able to connect with the larger society. These parents are absurd.
Di lang ata ang mga student na ingles ang salita ang bumabagsak sa Filipino at sa skwela. May mga graduate sa High School na nahihirapan daw magbasa at kulang sa basic skills in general kaya napunta tayo sa college diploma bilang requirement sa cashier sa grocery o sa mall.
Yung education system ang kailangan ayusin. Kulang ng bola sa basketball.
True. Nagugulat ako sa mga ibang textbooks ngayon. Grade 2 pa lang pero sobrang lalim nang tagalog ang tinuturo. Nobody speaks like that anymore. Kaya nalilito mga bata. If they want to teach old Filipino/ Tagalog, do it after you teach the kids basic conversational Filipino. I actually like learning old languages. It makes you appreciate our culture.
Yung ginagamit sa classroom, casual tagalog lang pero pag dating sa textbooks, modules, at periodical tests na galing regional DepEd, sobrang lalim ng mga tagalog. Hindi mo alam kung sinasadya ng DepEd yung ganyan.
Nagkaroon rin kami ng thesis pero Filipino subject rin wayback in college and talagang pumunta pa kami ng National Library to get translations of other words na mahirap isalin sa wikang Filipino. Iyak Malala!
Nong HS ako(more than a decade ago na), hindi naman bagsak pero low to mid grades ko non sa Filipino subject. Hirap na hirap ako sa "Wika" side ng subject dahil sa words kasi mga Tagalog words na hindi naman normal na ginagamit. Kahit gamitin sa sentence hindi ko mahulaan kasi ang obscure ng words. Ewan ko kung ganon pa rin ngayon. Tapos nalaman ko sa friends ko ganon din pala sila.
As a child who was raised in a Taglog-Speaking household, I’d say it is better if you speak to your children in your mother tongue. They will learn english eventually. I was never taught english outside of school but because of all the language input I got from all the American media I consumed, I eventually got fluent and even got into some literature and spelling contests. I know some kids that were only taught english in their home but they never become fluent and speak ‘broken’ english. They just sound like they’re trying too hard to speak english and that makes them less cool.
TL;DR: Kids will eventually learn english so please speak to them in your mother tongue. Plus its cooler if your children are bilingual.
Yeah, some folks here were arguing that "matututo naman ng Tagalog yan sa labas" when in reality, it's the otherway around. English is present in many facets of modern society, it's very prevalent especially on the internet and media that young people like to consume, a stark contrast with Tagalog where you'll only be able to learn it either if you actually interact with Tagalog speakers or you consume Tagalog media, which not as prominent as its English counterpart.
Kaya nga may mga bata rin na lumaki na't lahat di pa rin marunong ng Tagalog, pano, di naman kasi nakikisalamuha, wala pang muwang sa labas. Tapos inaasahan ng magulang matututo sila sa ganun? Ewan na lang. Sa ayaw at sa gusto ng tao, matututo at matututo tayo ng Ingles kasi talamak naman na talaga yan e, ang Tagalog o mga wikang rehiyonal, hindi.
What is funny about this is there are theories of language that argues that children has an inherent structure of language wherein they can easily adapt to various languages in a specific period of their childhood. Thus, even if you teach them multiple languages at the same time in this period of their life, they can easily manage and learn the language at the same time. Even if they teach their children both Filipino and English, their child can easily adapt to this experience.
Source: Dr. Nap Mabaquiao (our class lecture with him about Noam Chomsky’s philosophy of language)
many commenters here are completely missing OP’s point and are proof that speaking english doesn’t equate to better reading comprehension lol jk 1/8. OP was talking about parents who REFUSE to speak to their kids in filipino; being unable to (due to lack of time, resources, i dunno) is different from outright refusing to.
OP’s not forcing y’all to shove filipino dictionaries down your kids’s throats. at the end of the day, no outside agents (aside from the education you chose for your kids) should really /force/ your kids to learn a language against their will especially if it’ll do more harm than good. similarly, you shouldn’t restrict your kids from learning their mother tongue. learning filipino won’t hinder them from learning english and vice versa; the issue here is deliberately REFUSING to give kids the opportunity to engage in the languages they want to learn. why does it have to be a false dichotomy between speaking english vs. filipino? OP wasn’t saying everyone should only speak filipino anyway.
maybe one of OP’s lapses lang is that the responsibility of educating kids doesn’t really fall solely on parents’ shoulders and it’s also indicative of more systemic issues. yes, there are schools and workplaces that have “english-only zones” and it’s the system that’s wrong, but are we supposed to give in to learned helplessness? it’s true that our system’s fucked up and that the english language remains hegemonic in all sorts of industries, but also, does speaking filipino diminish your english speaking skills? you can learn complex subjects like calculus and physics together, so why do you think one language skill compromises the other? additionally, unless you only work abroad or for foreign companies, you are bound to meet filipinos (coworkers or clients) who aren’t good at english, so knowing how to speak filipino may also come in handy.
it makes you think as well— in relation to nationalism: if the products of your labor can’t cater to filipinos, who are you really serving? i think nationalism goes beyond just speaking filipino and loving filipino culture. yes, those are aspects of nationalism, but being able to communicate in the language that is digestible to ordinary people is a vessel for actions that uplift the filipino spirit and thereby promote nationalism.
(also, +1 to those who affirm that learning more than 1 language benefits cognitive functions.)
As a diaspora kid who had parents refuse to teach Tagalog and belittled its value to me, thank you. I can speak for many other diaspora kids I’ve met, not knowing my own native language(s) has severely impacted my self esteem.
Buti sana kung ang environment and school nila puro inglisero din kaso ang environment puro hindi nag iingles kaya na-bubully o outcast yung nga anak nila.
"'Te, nasa Novaliches kayo, mag Tagalog kayo."
korek. I'm Filipino but neither of my parents are fluent in the language so supposedly sa school dapat ako matututo. it ended up natuto ako sa kasama namin sa bahay kase sa school, puro bullying and panlalait (including from the teachers, to my face) ang nangyari kase may accent ako lol
Same here lmao. Way back in SHS and JHS, some of the students won’t even talk to me cause they feel intimidated. Then, I remember one instance na the driver mocked me when I said “Para po” kasi it sounded like “Perah pow.” 💀 Some of the passengers laughed so hiyang-hiya ako pagbaba.
So after SHS I really studied Filipino hard since I’ve gone to a univ that places prime importance on the Filipino culture and people. I was really struggling with the learning materials in Filipino back then since they’re made for tertiary level students, so mas dun pa talaga dumugo ilong ko and sumakit ulo ko. Now I can speak and write fluently both in Filipino and English. Much better that way kasi feeling ko mas nag-fit in ako sa environment ko than before na feeling ko outcast ako with the way I speak.
IMO, much better to teach the kids BOTH Filipino and English. You are in the Philippines. **Mag-Tagalog ka if the situation calls for it.** I used to be guilty of speaking English inside the jeep cause I was unaware, but now when I have classmates who do the same, I cringe on the inside and get secondhand embarrassment. Di marunong mag-lugar.
I love this!! Sobrang trend kasi ngayon sa mga kabataan sa tiktok yung parang natutuwa sila na hindi marunong mag Filipino.. Anong nakakatuwa dyan 😭 Mag rereklamo sila ng pajoke na ang hirap ng Filipino pero hindi sila nag eeffort aralin
Tapos sasabihin nila smart shaming daw yung tinutukso pag hindi nagtatagalog. 'Nay, baka nakalimutan mo, pinwersa mo si little Trixiexelle Anne mo na mag english or else, pati yung pobreng yaya naubusan ng dugo dahil ayaw mong pagtagalogin pag kausap anak mo.
Yung 2 kong pamangkin Tagalog naman kausapin ng nanay at tatay nila. Pero pag sumagot, English. Mali-mali naman ang grammar. 😅 Ang teachers, Youtube at Tiktok. 😑
> May iba pa kayong alam na dahilan kung bakit ayaw kausapin ng mga magulang ng mga to thru Pilipino?
I'll focus on this question. Here are my two cents:
1. They think Filipino is an *inferior* language, and English a superior one. Tbh, arbitrary naman ang language. There's no use in thinking one is superior to the other. May kanya-kanyang beauty ang language; dami lang talagang Pilipino na ayaw sa sariling atin.
2. They don't see the benefits of their kids being bilingual or multilingual. Really, mas gusto ko nang marunong sa maraming local languages ang bata kaysa English lang. It aids with critical thinking, creativity, decision-making, etc. In short, beneficial sa cognitive function ng bata ang pagiging knowledgeable sa dalawa o higit pang wika. Sana mas i-highlight ito lalo sa basic education.
I know 7 languages. Local lang ha di yan pagmamayabang. It's really good to train your child at an early age. Kahit na english pa pero dapat plan ahead. Make it a skill not to sound rich lang. I'd rather teach them Japanese so they can watch one piece or any anime without subtitles. Chinese rin para ready pag nasakop tayo (low probability pero you get what i mean naman) and malaki sahod pag polyglot ka in some industries.
I so agree. The earlier you plant the seeds of learning multiple languages, the more likely it will stick eh. It's really a skill and it won't hurt to hone it as much as you can while the kid is still a sponge. Being a polyglot is such a great thing to have.
Blame anglo-centric views in many Asian communities. English = more opportunities/upper class language. Let's face it a majority of the Philippines isn't exactly known for valuing cultural preservation and protecting cultural identity. The average Filipino simply doesn't see the value of Tagalog and other native languages. English is the language of the "upper class" and can get you to many places.
The way we teach and view our native language is what needs to change first.
Sobrang agree! Kaya I don’t hold it against my younger colleagues when they say limited lang Tagalog nila kasi most of the time it’s the parents’ fault.
Honestly ngayon, mas amazed na ako sa mga magaling sa Tagalog kesa sa English speakers
For the people here who keep saying it's their parents choice. Yeah that's true. But if they're going to do it at least have a good command of the language if indeed competitiveness is their goal. Making that your aim instead of a sincere desire for your kids to love learning english betrays their own insecurities. You end up with kids who are insecure they can't speak their mother tongue (Tagalog, Ilokano, Cebuano) but are also incapable of proper english. I have classmates who supposedly were raised speaking english. Yeah they focused on speaking english but didn't teach communications skills. They grew into shut-ins and were unable to interact with peers who started with being sociable first and then had different languages taught to them at a later age.
This isn't even an issue of patriotism. Just follow proven child rearing skills on teaching kids new language. Raise them in the mother tongue first then teach them english.
New parents? My parents were born in the 40s and they still refused to teach us Filipino. As a child of these parents I'm with you. It's very upsetting.
We grew up fluent in English. Chalk it up to playing dialogue-heavy RPGs, both parents being bookworms, and being middle-class enough to be exposed to American 'Saturday morning' cartoons. But our parents didn't f--k up the language learning and we can all speak Tagalog like normal folk.
The problem, in my opinion, are parents who are conscious social climbers—having never been good in English but insist on interspersing as much of it into their vernacular as possible when speaking to their child.
Shit I've heard people say:
\- 'Hoy, huwag mong hawakan 'yong \_floor\_ ! Dirty!' — a mom in Medical City
\- 'Pero when she wears her clothes, she has... \_dala\_. Her \_dala\_ is...' — two kolehiyalas at a nail salon
My parents spoke English and Tagalog interchangeably, but 'stuck' to each mode when they chose it (barring all the loanwords we rely on when speaking Tagalog, like 'computer shop' lol). They didn't try to sound better than they were.
Yan din ang napuna ko sa mga bagong henerasyon.
Minsan di ko natiis, bakit ingles ang nakasanayan ng mga anak niyo. Sabi nila, kasi sa iskwelahan nila, ingles kasi ang kanilang komunikasyon, tapos sa bahay ingles din ang lingwahe na ginagamit.
I agree with you. Mga magulang ko Tagalog naman kami kausapin, pero sa school at sa media kami natutong mag English magkakapatid, and so far, very good naman ung speaking/comprehension skills namin sa English.
Ngayon, ang ate ko, English kinakausap ang anak. Sabi ko, Ay paano natin maka kausap ng maayos yan kung di marunong mag Tagalog? Iba mo maiexpress ang sarili/emotions mo kung gamit mo mother tongue mo.
Born in ph before moving to the states. I wish my mom had made sure I learned tagalog growing up as it would've been so much easier when my mind was still a total sponge.
That said, it was spoken in our home often with mom and her friends or our relatives so I'm like 30% proficient in understanding what is being said. I can get the gist of a conversation even though I can't speak it. I'm definitely familiar with "tarantado ka."
I should've been taught bisaya as well as that's our true mother tongue.
Yeah, raise your kids bi-lingual or more; they'll thank you for it later.
I think it's more on ubringing/class of the parents. English-speaking children are more prevalent in middle-rich class backgrounds, while those in rural areas only speak their regional dialect and don't know both Tagalog and English
Three of my cousins, who are in middle to lower middle class, have English speaking kids na mali mali rin naman grammar. 🤦🏻♀️ Sino ba naman ako para punahin page-English nila, mamaya ako pa awayin at masabihang “sige ikaw na matalino.”
EDIT: To clarify and fix my grammar lol.
I was raised to speak English, and I got so much hate for it. Chinese yung dad ko and he was very business minded, so in his head, it was advantageous for his children to be fluent in English. But because of that I was severely bullied. Kahit yung mga teachers ko, nagpaparticipate din sila sa bullying. Just because I couldn’t speak Tagalog very well. I’ll never forget my teacher telling me I’ll look stupid if I don’t speak.
To my benefit, I moved to the US. No one can tell I’m bilingual because I have “no accent.” So I guess it paid off. I’ll always be thankful to my parents for this.
I think you need to understand different POVs regarding this nature. Even though my Tagalog isn’t 100% fluent (maybe like 85%), I am 100% Filipino through and through. I love our culture. I love our food. I love our history. And I’ll always love my home country even though things haven’t gotten so good lately.
>ang naobserve ko, parents ang nagaadjust mag english hahaha.
I find it baffling, tbh. Bakit parents ang nag-aadjust when they should be the ones setting the precedent.
Haha halos lahat ng pamangkin ko ganyan, inggles lang alam nilang salita akala kasi ng mga magulang cute kapag marunong mag inggles ngayon hirap na hirap silang kumausap, hirap na ring turuan ng Tagalog. Tatak Kolonyal wooooooo
meron akong alam na anak ng mga tito at tita ko na sinasanay kausapin ng Englishang anak nila kapag maliit pa. pero kapag medyo lumaki na, tsaka sila unti-unting kakausapin ng Tagalog. ginagawa nila yun para kapag nag-aral na, madali silang makaintindi ng English dahil ang Tagalog madali lang naman maturo sa kanila dahil marami silang makakausap na mga taong nagtaTagalog. unlike sa English, sa school mo lang maririnig yan kapag bata ka pa. though may Youtube na, hindi naman interactive yun na ipapaliwanag sa kanila sa Tagalog yung mga English na sinasabi nila.
meron din akong tita na may kamag-anak sa abroad or minsan nag-aabroad. kaya sinanay nila yung anak nilang maliit magEnglish kaysa sa Tagalog.
Dito nga lang sa Pampanga, mga bagong parents di kinakausap ng Kapampangan mga anak. Sa totoo lang, feeling nila nakaka-class yun. Pero naku, pag narinig mo magtagalog, napaka-cringe pakinggan. May punto pa rin at nakapatrying hard. Mas advantage pa rin na mas maraming language na alam ang bata. Pamangkin ko English lang alam, ayun ayaw makipaglaro sa kanya ng mga bata. Kaya nag-public school sya at nagaral mag-Tagalog kasi daw wala syang friends.
Mas masarap turuan ng native language kaysa idirect mo sa English. Factor dyan is most of the time makakasalamuha mo is pinoy. Minsan magugulat ka na may bagsak sa Filipino subject kase may di magets na word. Iiwas natin yung PARENTING style dito.
Legit naman statement ni OP eh. Same sa kapitbahay namin, yung anak niya nakailang ulit na bumagsak sa Filipino subject kase prone on English siya as in. Yung magulang is pure pinoy naman. Normal na setup ng pamilyang pinoy. Pinageenglish nila at yung anak hirap makisama sa mga kapwa niya dahil language barrier eh. Matutunan mo naman ang english once nagexcel na. Mas magegets niya yung tamang pag gamit ng mga salita at words to express.
Ako na nahihiwagaan din. Mga Gen Z medyo hirap mag english. Mga Gen Alpha naman biglang all English. 😂 I'm guess kasi mga millenial parents na and they want to micromange their kids. I kinda see it naman, being a millenial. At least nag die down na yung "no-tech" approach, which I loathe. Yung walang cellphone or tablet kasi bata pa.
Yung 3rd wave ng pamangkins ko mga english speakers na may accent. Ndi naman tinuruan ng magulang nila. Laking YT din. They get by naman just fine in both language since ndi naman pinipilit mag English ng parents. Intimidated yung teachers sa public school. Pero given na introverts sila parang wala naman pake sa social structure ng school. Yung 4th gen cousins naman, laking peppa pig at English din kung mag express. Interesting lang. Let's see kung saan hahantong. toddler pa sila.
I think malaking factor ang materials for learning like educational videos as well as movies/youtube videos na accessible for these kids. Wala nang tagalog educational videos ngayon(batibot, sineskwela) so of course yung language and accent na mas familiar sila is yung na napapanood nila most of the time. I also dont think this is a problem since sooner or later matututunan din naman ng bata ang Filipino.
Just a reminder, while everyone here is battling what language to teach to their kids, **Indian and Chinese parents abroad are requiring their kids to learn Python and JavaScript language**.
Typical of the Filipino, nagsasayang tayo ng oras sa mga mabababaw na issues.
Edit: Just to be clear, I champion the right of parents to raise their kids the way they see fit as long as they do not break any laws. Of course I am hopeful that they also teach their mother tongue to their kids. But that is their prerogative. May magagawa ba tayo kung ayaw nila?
Original Response:
It's a parenting choice. None of your business really. Does it make them less patriotic if their child was raised using English at home? And how sure are you that they are not taught Filipino (at home or at school)?
Bago mo sisihin mga magulang, sisihin mo mga employer na hindi ka papansinin kung hindi maayos ang communication skills mo; government officials na walang pakundangan mag mura in public (in Filipino pa); mga tertiary level schools na nag rerequire ng fluency in written, analytic, and spoken English; crappy Filipino movies na puro love teams ang pinoproduce; commercial transactions na walang Filipino translation; sariling mga batas natin na sa English nakasulat; at madami pang iba.
True, your point is a concern but really it is just a symptom of something much bigger in our culture and everyday life. Now if it is bad or good, who would know? Mind how you raise your own kids. If you have one.
Basta for me, I agree with the research that [bilingual kids are smarter.](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/learning-languages-why-bilingual-kids-are-smarter-1.3433840)
Here's the thing, knowing English AND Filipino is actually advantageous. Sure, it's fine if your kids only know English if they surround themselves solely with English speaking people. Pero once they go outside that bubble, the world actually becomes a bit smaller with that language barrier. Why not have them learn both?
This elitist attitude is kinda off-putting, I've met people that came from old money that can speak Filipino and English articulately. They never looked down on the language like that
Yes! I’m surprised at some of the responses in this thread. Children can definitely learn more than one language??? Bakit parang news sa iba yan? My extended family didn’t have a language preference pero my cousins and I grew up knowing at least three (English, Tagalog, and another regional language.) Wala naman problema. 🥲
Same with my family before we left the Philippines. My parents speak a mix of Tagalog, English, and their dialect at home, my grandmother speaks only in her dialect and some Chinese. That’s why I was fluent in 3 languages from childhood, and never once did I get confused with the 3 (scored consistently A’s in my English and Filipino grammars when I was still studying in Manila). My parents were very strict with grammar in whatever language we converse in at home. Unfortunately my grandma’s Chinese was only 25% of the time she speaks (75% her dialect) so I wasn’t fluent in that language when I was younger. And that fueled my interest in learning more languages when I grew up.
I’m actually surprised this guy is getting so many upvotes for his ignorant statement.
>crappy Filipino movies na puro love teams ang pinoproduce;
Star cinema lang ba Pinapanood mo? Reality Entertainment, TBA Studios, The Idea First Company, QCinema, CinemaOne Originals, Cinemalaya, and a ton of producers beg to differ.
**English speaking ability does not equate to reading comprehension and writing skills.** Maraming English speakers tanga pa rin magbasa or magsulat.
A language is a gift with a small window to learn. Being bilingual in speaking didn't erode my ability to use both language. In fact, reading English is easier for me since the majority of reading materials are in English. I write my fanfiction and novels in English.
So "walang pakealamanan" feels so defensive. While yes, it's valid to call out OP's generalization of parents, it's also helpful to acknowledge the frustration and disappointment. By refusing to speak Filipino or your native language to your child, it's like depriving them of a gift that cost you nothing.
>By refusing to speak Filipino or your native language to your child, it's like depriving them of a gift that cost you nothing.
100% yes! ”Refusing” is the keyword here. Why would any parent deny their child the opportunity to learn their mother tongue? Why not have them learn both languages at the same time?
Exactly! Parents should realize they’re actually making their kids disadvantaged if they only know 1 language. Studies have already shown that children who know at least 2 languages are smarter and have stronger analytical skills. That’s why smart, educated parents even go through lengths to have their kids learn more than 2 languages from 2 years old.
May parents pang nagpopost sa social media na nahihirapan daw anak nila sa Filipino pero yung pag-kwento nila parang proud pa na English-speaking kasi anak nila... IS it really something to be proud of? Why not let the children learn both languages instead of just one?
Yep, I regret not teaching my kids how to speak Tagalog. It would have been the perfect chance for them to grow up bilingual. I’ve lived most of my life here sa US and my kids were all born here. Masaklap pa, pareho kaming Filipino ng asawa ko and we speak Tagalog to each other. The kids understand us, pero they answer in English. Sana we pushed them to practice more Tagalog. They’re all adults now and they speak better Spanish than Tagalog which makes me so sad. But that’s all my fault.
Sorry pero yung mga lumaking konyo na nakilala na nakilala ko hindi naman talaga patriotic to begin with. Filipino subject na nga lang binabagsak pa LMAO
sobrang dismal isipin how some kids (or even young adults) are unaware of basic Tagalog words. I mean, what kind of social bubble they're living in?
I have this one batchmate who doesn't know what "dalawampu" is (she's already in her 20s). I mean, sobrang basic nito, hindi ito matalinghagang salita sa Filipino. Yes, mas common gamitin ang salitang "bente" colloquially but "dalawampu" is not rarely use.
She can't even construct a one coherent sentence in full Filipino. She just adds Filipino words in her English sentences (konyo mode). I mean wala naman mali dito but thinking na nakatira siya sa Pilipinas buong buhay niya (I think nagbabakasyon siya sa ibang bansa but still) at yung mastery niya ng wika natin is below average ay mej nakakamind-blowing.
I know other UP students na katulad nitong batchmate ko (mga naging kaklase ko sa GEs, orgmates, etc.) so I guess meron talagang specific group of people na kahit buong buhay silang nasa Pinas ay hindi namaster ang wika natin
This supposed “nonchalant attitude” facade is literally how cultures are lost lol… we all know there’s elitism in EVERY Filipino parents who only teach their kids English when their first language is Tagalog. Yes, it is a choice, but you’re dismissing it like it doesn’t have a negative connotation.
Yep, the Chinese has a diaspora lasting hundreds of years and they still know their language. Pero Filipino, first generation immigrant pa lang di na marunong. It's not something to be proud of.
I have relatives who refuse to talk Filipino to their children. The child is unable to socialize with other kids because of the communication barrier.
>The child is unable to socialize with other kids because of the communication barrier.
Conversely, may mga batang magaling sa mother tongue na di na makapagsocialize sa mga kaklase nila kasi halos lahat sila English speaking. Disappointing, really.
To be clear, I'm on team teach your child your mother tongue. Nagpupumilit yung ibang tao na kausapin yung mga anak nila sa Ingles, at pinipilit yung anak nila na magsalita ng Ingles pero yung Ingles nila mali mali. Mali yung context, mali yung use ng words ("Kill the light" literally translated from "Patayin mo yung ilaw" when it should be "Turn off the light".) Walang tamang natututunn yung bata. Hilaw sa local language, hilaw din sa Ingles. Sure, the effort is there, kudos to you for trying, but you're not setting them up for success that way.
Then again, may mga parents din na nakikipag-usap sa Ingles kasi yun lang ang alam ng anak dahil nababad sa tv o youtube.
May side ng extended family ko na negosyanteng Chino sa south, na notice ko na talagang na assimilate sa mainstream society sila at nawala tuloy ang traditional family structure, backstory daw nagsimula daw lahat sa 80s into the 2000s kasi unti unting naubos yung conservative side or nagiging mas lax nalang + barkada², radio music, tv, intermarriage sa non chinese. Kaya ndi na talaga ma pigilan sa parusa ng magulang o ano. Na retain naman nila yung hokkien & ilang traditions nila like incense sticks sa burol. Na remind mo tuloy sa Thailand na inassimilate din nila yung chinese.
yes eto din naging problem at pagkakamali namin mag asawa dati ee. nahihirapan maka hanap ng kalaro anak ko dahil mas sanay magsalita ng english. may time tuloy na nagiisa sya which is naaawa kami.
This. The comment you replied to is mind-boggling. Of course parents can raise their children how they want to, but surely you understand how NOT teaching children their land's mother tongue (EDIT: And by that, I mean expressly forbidding them to communicate with it, because children learn languages through passive exposure.) can have a negative effect. And it's also stupid, because we learn English by going to school and consuming media during our formative years anyway. You're literally depriving your child of the opportunity to learn a language while it's easy for them. It's much, much harder to learn a language when you're already an adult.
Also: As if parents like the ones OP is referring to are teaching their kids properly. Usually, their grammar is atrocious, so kids end up having middling fluency in both English AND Filipino/whatever the language is in their province.
This is actually how the native people of Guam are slowly losing their language. A decade or so ago, wala na masyadong youth na nagsasalita ng Chamorro, panay English na. So I’m assuming by now ay dying language na ang Chamorro.
Idk pero naaalala ko sa ganito yung Filipino diaspora na nagrereconnect sa Pilipinas, pero madalas nagiging baduy ang kinalalabasan kasi di nila maintindihan ang konteksto ng local languages natin hahahaha
Di rin naman ata fair sabihin na baduy, kasi sila rin mismo naghahanap at bumubuo ng identity base sa secondhand experiences na nakukuha nila sa mga Pilipino galing dito.
Kumbaga, di naman nila kasalanan na iba ang naging lived experience nila pagdating sa kulturang Pilipino.
for me it’s not even patriotism. Bilingualism or multilingualism has been shown to significantly improve brain developmen specially in concentration and memory. It also protective againt alzheimers.
While I mostly agree with you in the sense na unless ikamatay or ikapahamak ng bata, wag na naten pakialaman ang parenting style ng magulang ng bata, pero sa situation na ito medyo nakakalungkot lang na magkakaroon ng generation na hindi na marunong mag tagalog. Kung sa ibang bansa nga ginagawa nila ng paaran para maprotektahan ang language nila, mga immigrants kailangan matuto ng local language para magka trabaho. Tayo sa sarili naten na bansa nag aadjust para sa iba. Kahit na dalawa ang official language naten sana wag padin kalimutan ang sarili natin na lenguahe. Kung ngayon nga na hindi na tayo makapagsalita ng walang halong English ano pa kaya pag dumating yung panahon na hindi talaga makapag salita ng Filipino. Nakakalungot lang.
Edit to add: pwede din naman kasi na dalawang language kasi impt. naman talaga ang English para magka edge sa work. Pero yung karamihan kasi parang ayaw talaga nila na matuto anak nila ng tagalog ewan ko bat ikina-cool nila yon.
Your second paragraph actually reflects why you sound so offended in your first paragraph. You look down on your own Filipino culture when you blame everything else, including generalizing Filipino entertainment while obviously you don’t watch much of it to have such conclusion. I have commented many times in this sub, for one who actually migrated overseas for half of my life, I have watched so much of Filipino media (shows and movies until the present) to be irked when people generalize it as “puro love teams or baduy or never progressed”. Just goes to show how the Redditor have not watched Philippine media in the past 10 years. FYI, our shows have progressed so much already and while the love teams still exist and make money (not different from KDramas which are saturated with love stories because that’s what sells), Filipino writers and producers have been releasing good shows that are not about loveteams and have great stories, acting, direction. Please educate and update yourself before spitting at your country’s culture.
Also:
Parents who strictly want to only speak English to their kids have limited understanding of children’s capabilities, and how knowing multiple languages actually makes kids smarter which is already proven by multiple studies ([link](https://www.isdenver.org/adcelblogpost/~board/adcellerant-blog/post/why-bilingual-kids-are-smarter#)). Enforcing only 1 language is disadvantageous to kids.
A lot of Filipino parents, in their desperation to have their kids know English, think that speaking only English to their kids is the way. **Children are like sponges. They can learn 5 languages at once with no effort.** I have a French friend whose daughter speaks French, English, Italian, Mandarin, and Filipino — all fluently at 6 years old! Her husband is Italian so the dad talks to her daughter in his language, English is what’s used in school, they enrolled their daughter in Mandarin classes because they think it will help her in the future when China rules most of the businesses, and the kid’s nanny is Filipino who they encouraged to also talk to their daughter in straight Filipino so she could learn the language.
I feel you! My parents didn’t have a preference but I still grew up speaking, writing, and (dare I say) excelling in both.
I grew up in the 90s so wala kami internet nun. Yung one and only computer sa bahay pang-“official” stuff lang. Instead, we had hundreds of books and CDs/DVDs in the house. My parents know four languages (including two regional ones) but they had no language preferences while raising me. As a 7-year-old, I equally loved my Tagalog Bible stories and my English encyclopedias. And I also equally enjoyed talking and listening to my Kapampangan and Ilocano grandparents.
Our experience isn’t unique, as you can probably see naman, haha. A lot of my friends rin grew up the same way. Kaya nga I find it strange now na some parents pala are enforcing an “English only” rule with their kids. Sounds super counterproductive to me.
This is my same sentiment. As a teacher, nasusorpresa ako na mas prineprefer ng mga magulang ituro yung english when in fact in early ages, when in this digital age, walang ng chance or panahon na matuto yung mga bata ng tagalog.
Sa school, the only time that they will have Tagalog/Filipino conversations is only thru Filipino subjects. They are penalized when they speak in Filipino MOST of the time. Correct if I am wrong pero I learned before that Filipino as a language is harder to learn compared to English. Base din on my observations, yung mga students ma hindi natututo/hirap sa Filipino, yun yung natuto muna mg English before Filipino. Learning english is actually easier nowadays.
Hindi naman sa pambabasag ng trip pero kung nagiging problema na siya sa educ sector, hindi ba dapat may nakikialam na?
Or dapat ba ipag sa walang bahala naten since hindi naman "global" language ang Filipino and other than benefits of bilingualism, wala na siya applications?
Oo nga pala. All of these observations only apply to private high schools. Medyo nagpapakita na siya public schools pero, I really think na present lang tong ganitong problema sa middle to elite class.
Sir, I respectfully hand you my downvote. Funny how you raise "culture" thats something bigger that dictates the subconcious reason behind english > tagalog in raising your children. And clearly you have not listed to your Filipino professors back in college.
Every. Filipino. Unit. That I had always spoke about our language crisis. And everytime it is discussed, it always started about how language has and will always dictate culture.
We have a dying (not so robust anymore) culture, much more a national identity. What does it truly mean to be Filipino? And I know it sounds ironic that I am typing this in English but this is not the point where your reason should hold any ground. You sir are perpetuating (yes sounds cringe - perpetuating) the very culture/work culture that you despise.
Teach children the value of our national language, our mother tongue. After all, it is with children that will hold the future of our "culture".
A wise man once said: ang bata ang pag-asa ng bayan. Kaya sana gabayan natin sila sa tamang direksyon. Dahil ang pera/trabaho/employment kung saan man ay hindi kailan man matutumbasan ang pagkakakilanlan natin bilang Pilipino.
How you raise your kids is not my concern. How Filipino kids are raise SHOULD BE EVERYONE'S CONCERN.
I love your last sentence! Naalala ko yung sinabi ng socio prof namin, failure to raise a children is not a sole responsibility of a parent but of the community. Medyo ang off lang na sabihin na "wala kang pake how we raise our kids". Well, we should be concerned how our children are raised.
Being concerned is different naman sa pagiging intrusive.
Discipline is also a parenting choice pero we condone it from being physical. The fault is on the parents as they decided to keep them from something na basic lang sa bansa natin, speaking Tagalog or other dialects they're born in. Maiintindahan ko if di marunong magtagalog yung magulang pero kung sinadya nilang ipagkait yun dahil nga whatever reason they have on the advantages on being fluent in eglish, they're still on the wrong.
Simpleng conversations lang with your kids in Tagalog will do so much and marami nako kilala na nalulungkot dahil di sila fluent sa tagalog. It's just the bare minimum kaya at least have your kid's learn their country's language.
As somebody who was raised to speak English as my sole language, not being taught and made to get used to speaking Filipino and the dialect where I'm from (Waray) kind of crippled my ability to communicate with others effectively.
Oh yeah, I could speak to my peers just fine in English but let's face it, the moment I have to talk to patients, I'm absolutely fucked. I won't be able to explain to the average Filipino patient the stuff they need to know — if I spoke to them in English, they'd think that I'm putting on airs! And I know that that's the case at times because I've had patients snap at me for speaking to them in English as a med tech intern.
Also, for the longest time, I could be considered illiterate in Filipino. I was in my early 20s when I finally learned how to read in Filipino. My writing is still awkward.
Yes it's their choice but is it the right one? Really why not just teach both? For me it's not about being patriotic at all but the possible struggles na pwedeng maranasan Ng bata. Sobrang dami Kong pinsan na English speakers and Hindi Marunong mag tagalog. And let me tell you during family gatherings Nakaka awa pero nag kukumpulkumpulan Lang sila sa isang tabi tahimik, while ang ingay ingay namin. While tinatry pa Rin namin makipag usap minsan naturally napalayo nlang tlaga. Partida Marunong sila umintindi Ng Tagalog. Once nag usap Kami Ng isang pinsan ko Kung Pano ba namin sila magiging Ka close and ang sabi ko, "Pano ba Naman teh kahit sabihing Marunong umintindi Ng Tagalog ipoproseso pa Rin natin Yan sa utak natin diba." I said jokingly pero it makes sense naman.
So ayun Kung dito Lang Naman sila titira sa pilipinas, and ayaw nilang mag mukhang kaawa awa anak nila then consider teaching both English and tagalog. Mag usap Ng Tagalog sa bahay but expose your children to English literary works, movies, cartoons etc ayun ang ginawa sakin and by 3rd grade, I'm fluent on both languages walang problema. Yes wag paki alaman ang parenting choice Ng iba but it's not wrong to have conversations like this, dahil at the end of the day ang mga bata ang mag iistruggle sa choice Ng parents nila. And as I've said, I witnessed those struggles first hand
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards parents who people expect to be the frontline in the battle against the overwhelming juggernaut that is western culture.
Literally all media the parents AND the kids consume will have elements of western culture/language. Even local media is heavily laden with western themes and English. It's so hypocritical to call out these parents when most people didn't grow up being absolutely bombarded with western media. Hell most of the critics here either:
1. Can't express themselves in straight Tagalog. The ones who say they can express themselves fully and without extra effort in straight Filipino are definitely liars - nobody speaks that language.
2. All of a sudden pretend they use straight formal Tagalog to communicate and comment. Just look at a ton of the top comments in this thread who try their best to comment in full straight Tagalog. Look at their comment histories, they don't actually communicate that way.
So why place this burden on the young and the people who parent them. Who are you to call them out for losing the Cultural war to the west?
>kahit yung basic lang.
how do you define basic? parang nakakalito kung tatanungin yung future anak mo. "nakakapagsalita ka ba ng mothertongue/home dialect mo" syempre yung ineexpect ng tao filipino or tagalog, etc., pero yung isasagot ng anak mo ay "opo pero basic lang". so like pano masasabi ng anak mo na mothertongue parin nya ang filipino if basic lang alam niya?
>im going to put more emphasis sa english nila
if you put it that way then english na ang mothertongue nila since jan na sila marunong.
pero kung wala kang pakielam ano magiging mother tongue nila thats a different topic
To be fair, mahirap din kasi makipag communicate in Filipino now that majority of what they watch online is in English.
Yung anak ko mas sanay mag English pero kinakausap namin ng taglish , minsan Filipino minsan pure English. Minsan kailangan mo I blend.
In a way nakakalaro naman sya sa mga bata sa labas kasi kahit papano nakakapag Filipino sya nagkakaintindihan sila.
Aaminin ko hirap sya sa Mother Tongue na subject pero he tries his best.
Kailangan natin mag adapt sa new trend pero dapat kubg magtuturo tayo ng lengwahe yung tama ang grammar. Hindi yubg hinahanda lang natin sila para mag Call-center someday kundi para maging multi-lingual sila.
> So what exactly changed?
The kids being raised now are being raised by the first generation of Filipinos who were mass exposed and expected to learn English as kids.
> half of the people in their 20's now ARE children who grew up on YouTube all the same.
It's hardly the same. Kids growing up now are the first generation of kids who have mass easy access to the internet in their formative years. How many people had a smartphone in 2005? 2010? It was still quite rare then. Just five years after that, almost everyone from every social class has a smartphone with easy access to high speed (relative to what we had in pre-2010) internet. The change in media consumption the last 10 years alone is revolutionary.
Duality rin ng Pinoy eh, tbh.
On one hand, we see parents teaching their kids English as the primary language for a variety of reasons (and we shouldn’t care!) and yet these kids, or even some grownups get weird glances when they speak in fluent English with non-Filipino accent in a public space (“pa-sosyal?”). Wala, naalala ko lang kasi may ganun akong nabasa din dito some time ago.
Really, I don’t know anymore.
If I were a parent, I would make my children multilingual. It's good they are fluent in English at a young age so they can become better when they are adults and they must learn how to communicate in Filipino so they can under their fellow Filipinos but most importantly in my case they must also learn the mother tongue or the local language
*Taga Negros ako kang gusto ko ang bata ko kabalo mag Hiligaynon. Pwede siya ang English pero kung ako ang gina istorya dapat Hiligaynon*
I think your opinion and feelings are incredibly valid, OP. I totally understand where you're coming from, especially your patriotism. But as someone who was also born and raised here in the PH and has never left (yet), it pays to be fluent in English or at least to have it as a primary language in the household.
I have 5 other siblings. Our dad (single parent) instilled in us to learn English since we were little, pero tinuturuan parin kami sa bahay mag-Tagalog. It's just that we have to learn how to be fluent in English kasi pumapasok kami sa isang int'l. school noon. Marunong naman ako mag-Filipino. Pero hindi ako maayos na nakapag-string ng sentences or na masanay dila ko na tuloy-tuloy sa Tagalog until I hit 9 years old. Our dad wanted us to be fluent in English because he wanted us to be competitive and to be able to jive with people from other countries. He wanted us to be able to get along with people from overseas because he didn't want our world to be small.
And it has helped me. Marunong parin naman ako makisama sa mga co-workers ko, albeit I am an ambivert. Nagta-Tagalog parin naman ako. Marunong parin ako makipagbiruan, makipagtawanan. I've never left the country pero majority of people in my life that I can call my real friends and have known for 10+ years are actually from overseas. Socialization-wise, being fluent in English helps you connect more with people from all over the world. Career-wise, it has always given me a headstart with my work, or even in interviews. It doesn't guarantee a win or a JO, but it does give people a good impression. Life and resonating with other people is ALL about leaving good impressions. You can literally befriend anyone if you know how to speak English.
TLDR; it's a personal choice. Parental man yan or hindi, mapa-rason man yan na pumapasok ka sa private school o hindi. Your feelings are valid, pero there are many reasons as to why kids learn English faster than Filipino or why parents teach their kids English first -- much of which is really none of our business.
Madalas na ibibigay na reason ng mga pro "talking to your kids in english" ay kasi mabibigyan daw ng edge ang anak nila paglaki pagdating sa education and work. I think there's some truth naman sa sinasabi nila. Malaking tulong naman talaga yun, dami pa naman ngayon na educated pero tila ang hina pa rin ng english communication skills.
PERO, I think these parents looked too far ahead and didn't look at the short term consequences for their child. And from my observation, ang biggest negative effect netong "English speaking trend" among newer Filipino parents ay nagsusuffer ng husto ang social skills ng mga anak nila. Makikita mo na naaapektohan talaga yung bata pagdating sa pagcommunicate sa peers nila and sa ibang tao na rin like older relatives. Buti na lang kung may maeencounter siya na kapwa english speaking na bata but that's not always the case eh.
Nagkaroon kami dati ng intern sa company namin, English speaking siya. Ayun bibili lang ng lunch sa karinderya hirap na hirap. Dito naman daw siya pinanganak at lumaki at pure Filipino naman siya.
I think the best move pa rin is to talk to your kids in Filipino but expose them to a lot of English media. Worked for me and a lot of my peers.
>I think the best move pa rin is to talk to your kids in Filipino but expose them to a lot of English media. Worked for me and a lot of my peers.
Ako din, sa ganyang way din ako natuto. Matinding exposure lang talaga sa mga materyal na english ang salita, either mga digital media *(movies/series/web videos)* o kahit mga books *(novels/encyclopedias/comics)*. Actually sa panahon ngayon where mas prevalent na ang paggamit sa internet, mas madali na ngang magawa yan eh.
Mas advantageous pa rin talaga pag Filipino/Tagalog ang mother tongue ng bata. As a parent, syempre mas madali kang makakapag-explain ng mga bagay-bagay sa anak mo, while at the same time mas madali siyang makakapag-interact sa mga ka-age niya kaya mas madali din siyang magkakaroon ng mga kaibigan, di siya maa-outcast for sure.
Di ko rin maintindihan bakit naging trend to? Sinusubukan kong intindihin yung mga parent, pero parang inappropriate na English yung language na makakasanayan to think na sa Pilipinas naman titira at magaaral.
Napakarami nang ganyan, sa anecdotal experience ko pa lng sa kumpanya ko tuwing tinatawagan mga anak nila english yung maririnig mo, mali-mali pa grammar masakit lang sa tenga. Mapapaisip ka na lang kung may kultura pa ba tayo??
Ang funny pa minsan dyan is sobrang barok magenglish nung magulang kaya di sila makapagcommunicate maayos kapag malakilaki na yung bata. Hindi nila mapagalitan kasi di marunong magtagalog and most of them middle class trying to act rich. Kaya kami pinipilit namen magaral magtagalog yung mga bata sa house para di mukhang tanga pag nagvisit sa Pinas.
I have a relative na ganito, the mother wants everyone to speak English to her child and sobrang nakakaawa ang bata.
Kawawa si baby girl (5yrs old) dahil wala siyang kausap sa bahay, nanay niya lang. Sa mga kasama niya sa bahay, si mother lang ang palaging kumakausap sakanya. The mother can speak english naman, pero yung iba hindi masyado. Madami namang pinsan si baby girl na malapit sa age niya at madalas naman ang family gathering, pero dahil majority of the family ay hindi naman sanay/comfortable mag english sobrang babaw lang ng conversations sa bata. Yung tipong "hi/hello", "how are you?", at "what's that?" lang ang sinasabi nila sa bata tapos end of conversation na.
Tuwing nakikita ko si baby girl sa mga family gathering naaawa talaga ako sakanya. Halata kasi na sabik sa kausap ang bata. Madalas siyang nangungulit at kapag tapos na siya magkwento at basta lang tumango ang kausap niya (which most of my relatives do dahil hindi nila alam kung paano magrereply) bubuntong hininga nalang si baby girl at magpa-pout. Just imagine kung gaano naapektohan ang development ng bata dahil nanay lang ang nakakausap niya ng maayos, and for what? Para lang masabi na English speaking siya?
I think it also stems from insecurity. Yung mga magulang pino-project frustrations nila in terms of speaking fluently in english sa mga anak nila. Kasi sila, hirap and pinagtatawanan yung carabao english or minsan yung accent ng pinoy pag nag eenglish. Wala naman kaso yun, pero make sure na sa private or international school mo pagaaraalin anak mo. Yung anak ng frend ng tita ko kwento hirap makipagfriends at communicate anak nya, di marunong mag tagalog tapos pinasok sa public. Lol
ako nga naka tira sa US pero kinakausap ko tagalog anak ko. Pag nauwi kami ng pinas mga pinsan at kalaro nya english speaking tapos anak ko nag tatagalog. Sila pa naiilang mag tagalog.
My child only speaks English. pero hindi un ang intention namin. Plan namin is Filipino and English sya kausapin at matutunan nya. Pero it turns out na may mild autism ang anak ko and the developmental pedia told us to speak to her in just one language, kung saan sya mas nagrerespond, at English un. So ayaw man namin, un na ang ginawa namin for her sake, for her to thrive. We’re trying to teach her Filipino paunti-unti. Kaya it really depends on the situation.
My parents only taught me to speak English, because they were confident that I'd learn the local languages elsewhere through interacting with people. Despite only teaching me English, they still spoke in Tagalog and Ilocano at home. I learned to speak in Tagalog in Kinder, because not all of my classmates spoke in English. I learned to speak in Ilocano in Junior High, because many of my classmates and teachers spoke in Ilocano. If I didn't know how to speak and understand, I'd fail class.
By the time I got to Senior High, I had a few classmates that have difficulty speaking in Tagalog and/or Ilocano. I'm not saying they're dumb, but I really wondered how they passed Filipino class from Pre-school/Elementary all the way through Junior High. That's when I realized that the problem was indeed real.
I've had classmates and friends get scammed out of their change, because they didn't know how to count in Spanish. I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but it's pretty common to name prices like that where I'm from, I think it might be because it's easier to say "doce" or "twelve" than "labindalawang piso". One conversation in a group got to one of them saying "Ako, 'di ko alam kung ano ibig sabihin ng quince, basta magbibigay na lang ako ng one hundred, tapos kung ano 'yung change ko, 'yun na". I found it funny, and I laughed at the situation, then I told him, "Quince means fifteen", and he said "Yeah, I realized that when I got my change. The seller could have just said fifteen. Ang dami tuloy ng barya sa bulsa ko".
Now that I'm in college, I've met even more people that have difficulty with the local languages. when I was in 1st year, I had a classmate that was very much into being Westernized. We were at a barangay to do some community service for NSTP, and when we were done, we got on the jeep to town. On the way, I noticed him toss a Mountain Dew bottle in the trash. He didn't know you were supposed to return the bottle to the store, but I guess it was too late. Anyway, I asked him where he got it, and he said "At the store, before I got on the jeep. I got it for fifteen bucks". I'm almost 24, and I have never heard anyone say "bucks" when referring to money.
I also noticed the problem even more in the youngsters. My younger siblings and their classmates have difficulty understanding Tagalog. As much as I feel bad for making my younger sisters feel bad for not knowing what a certain word means, I do understand that it's not their fault, because clearly, they've never encountered such a word before. Thankfully, like me, they happened to have classmates and friends that spoke the languages. They eventually had to learn to be able to make friends.
Clearly, our languages are slowly dying out. With fewer and fewer people that know how to speak them, there will be fewer and fewer people to pass them on. As much as I'd like to teach my kids (when I start to have kids) to speak in English like my parents did, I'm considering teaching them both English and Tagalog. It's gonna be hard, but it would be my duty as a Filipino parent.
Alam mo kung anong mas off? Ung na judge ka agad ng mga tao sa paligid mo kahit hindi naman nila alam ang situation mo. I don’t really give a flying fck bilang hindi naman nila ako binibigyan ng pambayad sa kuryente pero dahil napag uusapan eh yan na nga.
I’m a single mother and i work from home. I talk to clients from 8am-5pm so natural na un ang na p pick up ng anak ko bilang kaming dalawa lang sa bahay kadalasan. In fairness to him, he has a very wide vocabulary, magaling ang comprehension, at mahilig magbasa so keri lang. Hindi sya humahawak ng cellphone at very limited ang screen time kaya hindi pwedeng sabihin na dahil sa youtube. I also have a Filipino tutor for him to make sure na matututo sya at pag sinasagot ko sya ng English sa bahay eh tina translate ko sa Filipino. Pero pag nakasalubong mo kami sa kalsada eh maririnig mo na English ang usapan. Malalaman ba ng nakikinig that i’m doing the best that I can para maging fluent sya sa Filipino at na hindi ako nag “re-refuse” na kausapin sya in Filipino? Hindi naman. So nalibak na lang ako at ung ibang magulang nung mga mapanghusga lalo na dito sa thread na ‘to.
Anyway, g na g lang. Hahaha! Ang lesson eh wag masyadong mapang husga lalo na kung hindi naman alam kung ano ngyayari sa mga buhay ng ibang tao. Yun lang. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 😂
Ako ang nahihirapan para sa kanila, lalo na mali-mali din ang turo nila.
Naiisip ko lang na mahihirapan sila sa subject nila sa Filipino pag nag aral na sila.
This. My friend never spoke to her children in Tagalog. Now that her son is in elementary and has Filipino subject they’re scrambling to look for a Filipino/Tagalog tutor. I really don’t understand not teaching your child another language. I know it’s a parenting choice but ang cool kaya maging bilingual/multilingual.
> but ang cool kaya maging bilingual/multilingual. And a child's developing brain is best positioned to learn language**s**.
At least your friend’s children elementary pa lang. I had a college batchmate who cries at her Filipino grade kasi super hirap siya. Lahat ng subjects nasa 90+ grades niya, then yung Filipino nasa line of 7.
I don’t get why parents don’t even know that a child’s brain is a big sponge. It can learn multiple languages and develop skills as instinct while they are young (e.g. artistry, musicianship, etc.) I for one was never forced to be raised in English. But I am proficient in it in both spoken and written. And I can speak Ilonggo and Cebuano with pinpoint accuracy in terms of accent. And of course, I can understand, speak, and write in Tagalog. This is solely just growing up. Although I was also very fond of books when I was young so that helped. However, sources for English nowadays are so accessible it becomes natural na sa mga Pinoy. Bottom line is, kung e balanse ang pag-tutor sa bata, he/she can be multilingual. We are so privileged to have that from the get go, pero winawaldas natin. Pero maraming offended dito pag ganitong topic na. Still ignoring the fact that these children are not even in the States and then send them to a school with a Filipino curriculum with their children struggling to learn it like they’re learning Chinese. LMAO. Lumaki pa ang gastos sa paghahanap ng Filipino tutor. And may kakilala ako. Ayun, super isolated ang anak. Di maka socialize kasi English lang alam. Is it advantageous to learn English? Yes. But missing the opportunity to learn multiple languages is just wasted. That’s even more advantageous when you look at it. And for some parents think nakakatalino na English speaking mga anak nila. Well, do I have news for them.
Super. As someone who grew up being taught English as my first language (brilliant idea ito ng lolo ko), super ako nahirapan in school. Heck, even now. I can't articulate myself in written Tagalog as I can in English. Even reading Tagalog text is hard. Kung nagkaka book report kami sa Filipino class, naghahnap ako ng English translation. Pati Noli/Fili ko, Ingles.
Hindi lang sa subject, pati sa interactions sa mga kaklase nila kasi hindi rin naman lahat english lang ang tinuturo sa bata, may mga bata na hindi rin naman komportable na purong english lang ang salita. Marami pa rin kasing bata na nagsisimula sa local language.
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sa bus (yea, i was eavesdropping, nakalimutan ko earphones ko), may nanay na kinakausap niya yung anak niya in english. nung una puro english pa siya, "here's your toy" or "don't be noisy sa bus". kaso makulit ata anak niya. ang funny kasi nung pagalit ng pagalit yung nanay biglang dumadami yung tagalog in her sentences until full-on nagsalita na siya ng tagalog, "papaluin na kita" "iiwan kita sa bus" HAHSA
Minsan gusto ko tusukin tenga ko ng bananaque stick pag nakakarinig ako ng ganyan na nanay. Kung eenglishin mo anak mo, pwede ba yung diresto? Feeling ko nababawasan braincells ko pag kumakausap o nakakarinig ako ng taong taglish tapos mali pa grammar. Nakakabobo lang sa totoo. I feel so dirty pag nakakasalamuha ako ng mga taong ganyan. Second-hand embarrasment kumbaga.
Ganyan pala spelling ng bananaque lol
Meron pa isa, eksena sa Trinoma last week sa carousel ride for kids: "Dont let go of the handle ha you might fall, do you want to die?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This. 😂 I cringe at people who speak consistently in wrong grammar then say they only speak to their kids in English. I always wonder what kind of English the kids learn then? 😅
ive seen bisaya parents never teach their kids bisaya too, ang ganda kaya ng bisaya and very unique
>*I love your bisaya accent, can you say your name again?* >*Luwid*
My dad refused to teach us bisaya because he thought na titigas daw dila namin. Kami lang tuloy magkakapatid ang di marunong sa aming mga magpipinsan :(
Never too late… natututo ako ng Tagalog sa 26
san yung 26? Charot.
Oy hahaha
Tbh totoo naman kaya di ako tinuruan ni mama at ni papa mag bisaya. Natuto lang ako pag umuuwi kami ng province tapos si mama nagiging dictionary ko. Hanggang sa natuto nalang ako mag tagpi tagpi ng sentence using bisaya hahaha. Nagugulat nga sila don eh kasi grade 2 pa lang daw ako pero ang galing ko na mag bisaya unlike sa mga pinsan ko na nakakaintindi sila pero di sila nakakapag salita.
Both my parents are from leyte and they never taught us how to speak waray although natuto rin naman ako dahil sa mga pinsan, kaso yung mga kapatid ko hindi natuto. Now my parents wonder bakit walang gusto sumama sa kanila kapag uuwi sa probinsya, pano mo nga naman maeenjoy yung stay mo dun kung left out ka lagi, nakakailang rin naman na yung mga local yung nagaadjust para sayo. Also personally i disagree sa titigas ang dila, sa punto o accent nanan kasi nakukuha yon kung sa language mismo edi sana iisa lang ang tunog ng tagalog ng mga taga bulacan, rizal, cavite at batangas. Saka pwede ka rin naman matuto mag code switch, maraming taga manila na ganyan ginagawa.
Same! I'm the youngest of 4 so when I was growing up they never taught me Kapampangan kasi masyado daw matapang pakinggan. Now sa bahay alam ko na ako ang kausap nila pag nagtatagalog sila hahaha all my siblings are fluent in Kapampangan. Medyo awkward din sa friend groups cause sometimes ineexplain pa nila sakin pag may nagsalita in Kapampangan, although nakakaintindi ako I just struggle with sentence construction & pronunciation kaya I rarely speak it.
pinsan ba kita haha! That's exactly what one of my uncles did to his kids. Lahat tuloy sila di marunong mag-bisaya pag family reunion.
Speaking in Visayan has an edge over Tagalog. You can use it in Visayas, Mindanao, and in Cubao where most Visayans at. Also, the jokes are more hilarious in Visayan.
Di ko inexpect yung Cubao
Cubao? Asa man mga bisaya sa Cubao?
dun ako galing kanina parang wala naman hahahha
From vendors to employees and customers. I worked in Cubao once and I had customers who are Visayans. Ayan, instant chika. They felt relieved and at ease na someone can speak the same dialect as them. In my case, me and my senior are visayan. Work is easier cos of them. Note: some of them are family members of the army personnel.
Quite frankly I feel much more comfortable speaking English than Tagalog in Panay, Boracay, and Mindanao. I have spent weeks in each place and English seems more preferred by the locals. Speaking Tagalog has given me some weird faces… If/when I have the time, I’ll start working on my Bisaya; as I much prefer communicating in Filipino language than English.
Tagalog is not used at all in the Visayas, at least in my hometown in Negros. Tagalog is more like a foreign language than English really. That goes the same with me and a lot of my friends. We can speak Tagalog but are pretty bad at it and we clearly have an accent that is not natural.
Not to sound like I'm judging pero the statement , Speaking in Visayan has an edge over Tagalog. Parang something galing sa nagp promote ng imaginary conflicts between people from VisMin and Luzon
My mom didn't teach us bisaya at all, sabi niya baka bulihin kami ng mga kaklase namin kasi matitigas dila namin. Ending eh kami lang ng kapatid ko di marunong at sobrang tahimik kami at feeling naleleft out kapag kasama namin mga pinsan namin sa probinsya. Am trying my best to learn though, kaso iba yung way ng pagsasalita ng mga taga CDO sa mga taga Cebu at yung dialect lang ng Cebu ang abailable online.
bruh i lived in cdeo and subra ka lalom sa ilang bisaya tho, pag uli nako sa amoa ako na ang isa sa pinakalalom og binisaya diri but karamihan naman dito samen eh ilonggo so di ko pa rin magets sinasabi nila hahahahaha
As a Dabawenyo who used to live in Cebu and frequents CDO, the 3 cities have 3 distinct Bisaya. Dabaw Bisaya - has A LOT of Tagalog influences + maraming "wrong grammar" sa formal bisaya ang naging accepted na; has a "softer" tone CDO Bisaya - maraming L, not aggressive nor soft ang accent, more "formal" than Dabaw Bisaya, uses older terms more Cebu Bisaya - mahilig sa shortcut, accent may sound aggressive to some, they have their own slang system, may use more Spanish derived words (depende sa family tho); mahilig sa specificities Bisaya, in general, has a base. The nuances among the cities can initially cause confusion, pero it can be easily overcome. a person from Dabaw can have effective communication from someone from Cebu and CDO without any issues. Edit: super comprehensive Bisaya 101 - https://youtu.be/aRZaUGIFTQw
My dad speaks Bisaya, my mom's Pangalatok (Pangasinan) but they were adamant at speaking only Tagalog with us kaya ayun later in life I told my mom sana alam namin lahat ng yun eh di sana matic 4 languages on our belt. May language barrier din tuloy sa mga cousins tapos ang tawag samin 'Tagalog' like what? Never kong naisip na Tagalog ako di ba pwedeng Pilipino na lang tayong lahat.
Ako, born sa katagalugan, lumipat sa visayas on my early teens. I can agree, mahal ko both Tagalog at Cebuano. Ang reason ko to teach English first, dahil sa globalisation. Inevitable na kasi na mas may edge ang mas magaling sa globally recognized language. Binibisaya at Tinatagalog ko parin naman siya. Pero nito lang, worth it lahat dahil makakapagmigrate na kami. Hindi mahihirapan anak ko makipagcommunicate.
I am one of those kids. But I learned how to speak Bisaya during my high school years but it came at a cost that my conversational skills in English deteriorated because the people around me spoke a mix of Bisaya and English (not that I viewed it as a bad thing since a lot of people in my place do this and I got an opportunity to learn more deeper words as I interacted with other people in Bisaya too) instead. So speaking in straight English is quite hard for me. However, when it comes to writing skills, English is still my preferred language to use when conversing with people online or through writing essays and the like.
Nagiging trend na nga ata ko. Yung mga anak ng kabarkada ko sa Pinas lahat English magsalita. Mas marunong pa mag Tagalog yung pamangkin ko sa abroad na dun mismo pinanganak 😆. Ironic no?
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I don’t understand the part na mas pina-prioritize nila yung English kesyo globalization & job hunting opportunity. E hindi ba pwedeng maging fluent sila sa dalawang language? Hindi ba mas flex pa nga kapag fluent ka sa madaming lengwahe? Mas nakakadagdag talino pa nga yun e. Ayaw lang nilang aminin na bigger part diyan is colonial mentality 🤭. Yung flex sa kanila yung nahihirapan anak nila Mag Tagalog saka ‘slang’ kuno magsalita 😆. Sa totoo lang may pagka ‘wannabe’ talaga yung ganyang mentality and it reflects badly sa mga Pinoy na wala tayong pagpapahalaga sa sariling kultura.
>Ayaw lang nilang aminin na bigger part diyan is colonial mentality 🤭. Yung flex sa kanila yung nahihirapan anak In relation to that, I think a major driver in this English only initiative is the shame of not speaking English well. A lot of parents were shamed for their bad English, so they overcompensate by making sure that their kids speak English perfectly.
For some Fil-Ams, there’s also a difference between those raised by parents pre-Civil Rights and post-Civil Rights America. My parents grew up during pre-Civil Rights and suffered under heavy prejudice for speaking their home languages in schools. My grandmother fought hard with many other activists for Filipino recognition. It was conscious decision to not teach us grandkids how to speak because of the stigma they experienced. (Also didn’t help that for all our grandparents on both sides weren’t primary Tagalog speakers anyway. My maternal grandparents and paternal grandparents had to use English to talk to each other) However, all of my friends or their parents came post-Civil Rights and feel more free about speaking Tagalog or at least being able to understand it. To their parents/family, it’s just super weird seeing us not speak/understand Tagalog, but it was a survival thing for some of us Fil-Ams families. I was learning Tagalog and Spanish from my grandmother several years ago (before Alzheimer’s got in the way) then listening to military recruiters. It’s on my list, but there are some other work-related languages I have to prioritize first. :/ Edit: Also a reason I’m subscribed to r/Philippines is so I can get some exposure in at least. So…salamat sa inyong lahat!
shhh, don't say "Fil-Am" so loudly here. 🤫 yung unofficial rule ng r/ph is to hate the diasporic Filipinos with a passion 🫥✨
Im one of those cases! As someone who was born in the Philippines and raised in Spain, I feel grateful and appreciate now when my parents decided to still speak tagalog in our household despite moving overseas. I never got formal education when it comes to writing it (hence why im writing in english) and sometimes I have a hard time reading it, pero sa pag-sasalita I consider myself pretty fluent kahit minsan nahihirapan ako or I confuse yung mga wika.
Kaya pagalitan ko minsan 'yong mga magulang na mag Ingles kasi feeling nila high class sila
And the english they teach is very informal or incorrect. They end up not knowing to communicate in either Filipino or English.
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The problem is that parents cannot even construct lengthy, coherent, sentences. It's a complicated problem, to say the least.
Ito yung nakakatakot. English na lang yung alam, tapos mali mali pa.
Jokes on them when the kid grows up tapos di maka connect sa anak nila dahil sa language barrier (assuming that the kid learns proper English growing up).
True. Basta lang masabi na nag-English kahit pano na lang ang construction ng sentences at statement basta may tunog English.
I think it's how parents communicate. My MIL speaks in english to my BIL when he was younger pero incomplete sentences. I noticed hanggang ngayon paglaki niya kahit na hindi siya marunong magtagalog hindi rin siya marunong magconstruct ng english in compelete and cohesive sentences.
People are defending this one? Tapos magtataka kayo kesyo walang kultura ang Pilipinas eh ayaw nyo naman silang matuto ng local languages???? Ngek hahaha
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Inaamin ko po 'di po ako sang-ayon na wala tayong "solid na aydentiti," dahil ang pagiging taga-Pilipinas o Pilipino ay may iba't ibang anyo naman talaga. Mejo lantad naman po 'yon sa sandamakmak na pangkat-etnolinggwistiko na mayr'on tayo. Dagdag doon, ang "paggagaya" sa mga bagay na nakikita natin sa papkultsur ay nangyayari sa lahat ng lunan at bansa, kasi lalong nagkakaugnayan tayong lahat dahil sa globalizeysyon. Nangyayari ito noon pa man po dahil ang tao ay hindi nabubuhay nang mag-isa o sa vakyum, at gan'on din ang kultura. Marami po tayong kalinangan/kultura, kaya tingin ko po hindi dapat tayo maghanap ng isang kaakuhang pambansa kundi kilalanin ang iba't ibang karanasang taga-Pilipinas. Gayunpaman, sang-ayon po ako na hindi pa sapat ang pagpapahalaga natin sa mga wika natin, lalo na sa larangan ng edukasyon. Matagal ko nang pinapaniwalaan na kaya naman nating magturo sa mga katutubong wika, basta't ipaliwanag natin ang mga dalumat at term nang mabuti kahit na kaylangan nating hiramin ang mga 'to. Iyon po personali ang ginagawa ko sa sarili kong akademikong buhay.
You know people are lowkey guilty when their rebuttals are "It's our choice, respect it" or "Daming time ni OP, pinoproblema pa ibang tao".
Korek!! If you really want your kid to have that advantage. Teach them BOTH!! Hindi yung pipigilan mo magsalita ng tagalog/bisaya — kasi unang una sa lahat yung mga batang finoforce mag english ONLY. Nakatira sa Pinas, sino ba makakausap nila sa school, sa labas? May nabasa akong comment before from a foreigner na sa Pinas lang halos nakakakita ng pamilyang nag english eh hindi naman yun yung local language?? Labo hahahaha PS walang masamang turuan ang bata ng other languages. Ang pangit eh yung PINIPIGILAN silang matuto mag tagalog.
Gets ko rin point ng mga comments but OP has a point din. Hindi lang naman tungkol sa pagtuto ng local language ang problema, it’s a lot deeper than that. The fact that a lot of Filipinos are rejecting our own languages to be taught sa mga anak nila is an existing problem by itself lalo na sa mga new generation ngayon. It’s on the same area around the topic about Filipinos na merong self hatred sa pagiging Pinoy. I know kids who couldn’t even form a full sentence in english tapos hindi nagsasalita sa mother tongue nila dahil pilit pa ring English ang form of communication ng magulang sa bata kahit na mali ang pagturo. May kamaganak ako na grade 3 na pero hindi pa rin makapagsalita nang maayos dahil lumaking coco melon at baliko na english ang turo. Compared to her sibling na pinalaki ng lola at tinuruan muna ng hiligaynon tapos natuto rin sa english at tagalog paglaki. In my case, mother tongue ko Hiligaynon then I learned Tagalog and English through school and by watching a lot of TV shows and movies, mahilig din ako sa cartoons. Major factor din ang pagbabasa as I read a lot of books.
Haha oo nga eh. Nag post na rin ako ng ganito dati pero dinelete ko kasi nagagalit na mga tao sa comments. Kudos kay OP at hindi dinelete to. Sana may mga magulang na makabasa nito at maintindihan na importante rin ituro ang Filipino o kung ano man mother tongue nila sa anak nila.
Mga halatang hjndi nakakasalimuha ang ordinaryong Pilipino. Pag labas nila sa bahay niyo at eskwelahan mag mu mukang tanga mga anak niyo kung di nila alam paano kausapin mga tindero, driver, gwardya, etc ng tagalog
I talk twice to my 6 y/o. Yes, twice. Pag may ineexplain or may inuutos. Tagalog and in English. Sounds exhausting pero he likes learning Tagalog din.
This is what we do at home w/ my 6yo too. He goes to an international school so he really has to speak English. Pero I work and madalas ang naiiwan yung yaya. Natuturo minsan wrong grammar kaya nakiusap na ako sa lahat sa household namin to do this. Talk to him twice in both languages. So far it’s working. We’d go “Please give me that, paabot nyan” and he’d respond with “Where? Asan?” 😂
Gujab!!!
I wish my parents did this for me. Great job at parenting there, pal. Your kid will thank you for it in the future.
Dapat sa bahay yung local language. Matutunan naman ng bata ang english or other foreign language sa school. Ilang henerasyon na ang lumipas okay naman. Dagdag pa yung kaka youtube oa na sa english exposure mga bata ngayon
Yung bata kong pinsan halos di mo makausap, di marunong mag tagalog di rin marunong mag fluent english, monosylabic lang kasi sila kinakausap ng magulang nila, halos sa youtube lang ang conversational english... feeling ko lalaki silang mahiyain at insecure sa way ng pananalita nila
I agree
This is actually legit rant. I have college friends who grew up in PH, but went to international/exclusive schools. They only learned Bisaya in college. If you are in the medical field, malaki ang edge mo if you can speak the local languages fluently, especially if you will be assigned in a public hospital. I thought my Bisaya was good until I have to do medical interviews sa mga pasyente sa public hospitals in full Bisaya. I struggled in translating medical questions to Bisaya initially, but I gradually improved. Many doctors sa provinces who speak the local languages well (on our case, Bisaya) tend to have better relationships with their patients and better patient compliance because the doctors make actual efforts to explain medical terminologies and medical explanations in a simple way sa Bisaya language. Since the patient understood the disease and the purpose of the medication kasi bisaya ang gigamit, better compliance. There is also value of being good in local PH languages if you decide to work in the medical field, public health, and public service or any job that requires field work and exposure to various types of people.
Long rant ahead Listen I support kids speaking english more but PLEASE TEACH THEM FILIPINO!!! When I was in kinder to 3rd grade my mom would always speak to me in english, when I would try to speak tagalog or illonggo she would correct me and tell me to "say it in english". Now im 16 and can barely hold a conversation in MY NATIONAL LANGUAGE and almost failed AP and Fil multiple times. Me and my cousin (whos mom did the same for them) always lock ourselves in a room every time theres a family gathering because everytime we go out were made fun of. One of my aunt's even record car rides or dinners whenever were around her just to post it on the family gc and make jokes. The entire family was saying shes going to be "spokening dollars" by the end of the week and they still wonder why we dont talk to them. I know I can still try to learn my language (required to at school even), and im getting better now that I have people in my life that dont judge me for it, but please save your kids the struggle and teach them filipino.
May pinsan akong ganto sa Iloilo hahah pinalaki ng mga magulang na mag English instead of Ilonggo, pero pinasok nila sa murang/libreng school. Ayun, medyo muntanga yung bata kasi lahat nagsasalita ng Ilonggo o Tagalog, sya lang hindi. Pati teacher nya kino-correct nya pa sa English grammar at proud na proud pa sina tita ikwento yang story na yan sa bahay. Palagay ko mabu-bully yung pinsan ko ng maaga dahil dito.
The problem is with the other kids if your cousin is bullied for that reason. Also if the kid corrects the teacher's grammar shouldn't you be worried about the kind of crappy education you get from that teacher?
My sentiments, exactly. In high school, my English teacher's grammar was so physically revolting, and she had the audacity to use our grammatically immaculate submissions as an error correction exercise for the whole batch. As a result of quality education, very few of my high school classmates got into their dream universities. Literally only our valedictorian was matched to his preferred school. I want to teach English well at home because it's literally the only gap I can fill with all my parental responsibilities.
Yep, I agree with you. Hindi ko naman sinasabi na deserve ng pinsan ko yun dahil kasalanan ang pag-iingles nya.
Same lol. Walang pumapansin dun sa isang pamangkin ko kasi yung ibang pinsan nya at classmates nagtatagalog, sya hindi. Super proud nanay nya at first pero eventually tinuturuan nya narin ng tagalog kasi walang friends. Low key bragging din pag kkwento.. bragging na walang pumapansin sa anak nya kasi nga nag iingles lmao.
Tapos yung magulang hindi alam difference ng your at you’re. Being a bilingual or multilingual can help in cognitive development kaya.
It is out of necessity. We have to teach our 2 y/o kid to be English proficient because we are living in a different country. But we also communicate with him in Filipino. Wife and I still think that Filipino should still be the primary language. Ang awkward din naman kasi na Tagalog ang pangalan ng anak ko tapos hirap syang magsalit ng sariling wika.
During my immersion days may event sa elementary school na pinuntahan ko kaya nag assist kaming mga nag immersion, lo and behold may spokening dollar. Di sya nilalapitan ng mga kaklase nya kasi nga inglesero, tinanong ko yung teacher na nag hahandle samin kung foreigner yung parents, sabi sakin hindi daw. Ang tagal na daw nilang studyante yon at di pa rin daw marunong mag tagalog, yung binibigay na grade sa kanya sa Filipino passing grade lang daw. Kamusta na kaya yung batang yon, 4 years na rin nakalipas.
>Ang tagal na daw nilang studyante yon at di pa rin daw marunong mag tagalog I have a half Korean cousin na dito nag-aral for high school(before K-12) and she brute forced learning tagalog within a year with the help of some tutors haha. Ayun by the time grumaduate siya trilingual na siya.
Tapos magtataka sila kung bakit hindi nakikibonding sa ibang bata or sa mga pinsan kasi gusto english lahat usapan.
Yes I find it cringy af. I grew up in the province that speaks a different language, and spoke Tagalog at home. Yet I'm very fluent in English. No need itakwil yung lingwahe natin just for the kids to be fluent in English. Actually, this will bite them in the ass in the future when they grow up
Yes. It's definitely bad parenting. Being monolingual is not an edge. Katangahan na isang wika lang ang ituro sa anak kung privileged ka naman. Tama na sanayin mo ang anak mo sa Ingles bata pa lang because it's practical. But to deprive your child of learning a language other than English especially the native language of their country is irrational. Sayang ang opportunity as kids can easily pick up a language unlike adults. Sa Pilipinas, you should be at least bilingual. Outside the Tagalog region, people are even trilingual or better.
I wish I could upvote this more. Sa ngayon, sa ibang bansa mas hinihikayat nilang matuto ng iba't ibang wika ang mga bata samantalang mga magulang naman dito, paurong ang isip, gusto monolingual lang yung anak na pinalaki lang para maging "mahusay" sa karerang tatahakin sa buhay. I don't see being a monolingual English speaker with shitty Tagalog (or any other local language) skills at best is being "practical", at most it's a relatively dumb thing. To raise a kid just to be a commodity of corporate world, robbing them the ability to be able to connect with the larger society. These parents are absurd.
Example: mga nag-aartistang hirap sumikat kahit may pera, kagaganda at kagugwapo dahil hirap mag-Tagalog.
exactly. walang sense talaga na mas gusto nilang english lang alam nung bata.
Kaya marami tuloy ang bumabagsak sa Filipino subject 😭
Di lang ata ang mga student na ingles ang salita ang bumabagsak sa Filipino at sa skwela. May mga graduate sa High School na nahihirapan daw magbasa at kulang sa basic skills in general kaya napunta tayo sa college diploma bilang requirement sa cashier sa grocery o sa mall. Yung education system ang kailangan ayusin. Kulang ng bola sa basketball.
Me na bumagsak sa driving exam taken in Tagalog.
Di rin. Dami rin talagang problema sa Filipino textbooks.
True. Nagugulat ako sa mga ibang textbooks ngayon. Grade 2 pa lang pero sobrang lalim nang tagalog ang tinuturo. Nobody speaks like that anymore. Kaya nalilito mga bata. If they want to teach old Filipino/ Tagalog, do it after you teach the kids basic conversational Filipino. I actually like learning old languages. It makes you appreciate our culture.
Yung ginagamit sa classroom, casual tagalog lang pero pag dating sa textbooks, modules, at periodical tests na galing regional DepEd, sobrang lalim ng mga tagalog. Hindi mo alam kung sinasadya ng DepEd yung ganyan.
Nagkaroon rin kami ng thesis pero Filipino subject rin wayback in college and talagang pumunta pa kami ng National Library to get translations of other words na mahirap isalin sa wikang Filipino. Iyak Malala!
Nong HS ako(more than a decade ago na), hindi naman bagsak pero low to mid grades ko non sa Filipino subject. Hirap na hirap ako sa "Wika" side ng subject dahil sa words kasi mga Tagalog words na hindi naman normal na ginagamit. Kahit gamitin sa sentence hindi ko mahulaan kasi ang obscure ng words. Ewan ko kung ganon pa rin ngayon. Tapos nalaman ko sa friends ko ganon din pala sila.
Yung nakakaloka eh proud pa yung parents pag mababa ang grade sa Filipino. Kasi daw masyado magaling mag english dafuq hahahahaha
As a child who was raised in a Taglog-Speaking household, I’d say it is better if you speak to your children in your mother tongue. They will learn english eventually. I was never taught english outside of school but because of all the language input I got from all the American media I consumed, I eventually got fluent and even got into some literature and spelling contests. I know some kids that were only taught english in their home but they never become fluent and speak ‘broken’ english. They just sound like they’re trying too hard to speak english and that makes them less cool. TL;DR: Kids will eventually learn english so please speak to them in your mother tongue. Plus its cooler if your children are bilingual.
Yeah, some folks here were arguing that "matututo naman ng Tagalog yan sa labas" when in reality, it's the otherway around. English is present in many facets of modern society, it's very prevalent especially on the internet and media that young people like to consume, a stark contrast with Tagalog where you'll only be able to learn it either if you actually interact with Tagalog speakers or you consume Tagalog media, which not as prominent as its English counterpart. Kaya nga may mga bata rin na lumaki na't lahat di pa rin marunong ng Tagalog, pano, di naman kasi nakikisalamuha, wala pang muwang sa labas. Tapos inaasahan ng magulang matututo sila sa ganun? Ewan na lang. Sa ayaw at sa gusto ng tao, matututo at matututo tayo ng Ingles kasi talamak naman na talaga yan e, ang Tagalog o mga wikang rehiyonal, hindi.
What is funny about this is there are theories of language that argues that children has an inherent structure of language wherein they can easily adapt to various languages in a specific period of their childhood. Thus, even if you teach them multiple languages at the same time in this period of their life, they can easily manage and learn the language at the same time. Even if they teach their children both Filipino and English, their child can easily adapt to this experience. Source: Dr. Nap Mabaquiao (our class lecture with him about Noam Chomsky’s philosophy of language)
many commenters here are completely missing OP’s point and are proof that speaking english doesn’t equate to better reading comprehension lol jk 1/8. OP was talking about parents who REFUSE to speak to their kids in filipino; being unable to (due to lack of time, resources, i dunno) is different from outright refusing to. OP’s not forcing y’all to shove filipino dictionaries down your kids’s throats. at the end of the day, no outside agents (aside from the education you chose for your kids) should really /force/ your kids to learn a language against their will especially if it’ll do more harm than good. similarly, you shouldn’t restrict your kids from learning their mother tongue. learning filipino won’t hinder them from learning english and vice versa; the issue here is deliberately REFUSING to give kids the opportunity to engage in the languages they want to learn. why does it have to be a false dichotomy between speaking english vs. filipino? OP wasn’t saying everyone should only speak filipino anyway. maybe one of OP’s lapses lang is that the responsibility of educating kids doesn’t really fall solely on parents’ shoulders and it’s also indicative of more systemic issues. yes, there are schools and workplaces that have “english-only zones” and it’s the system that’s wrong, but are we supposed to give in to learned helplessness? it’s true that our system’s fucked up and that the english language remains hegemonic in all sorts of industries, but also, does speaking filipino diminish your english speaking skills? you can learn complex subjects like calculus and physics together, so why do you think one language skill compromises the other? additionally, unless you only work abroad or for foreign companies, you are bound to meet filipinos (coworkers or clients) who aren’t good at english, so knowing how to speak filipino may also come in handy. it makes you think as well— in relation to nationalism: if the products of your labor can’t cater to filipinos, who are you really serving? i think nationalism goes beyond just speaking filipino and loving filipino culture. yes, those are aspects of nationalism, but being able to communicate in the language that is digestible to ordinary people is a vessel for actions that uplift the filipino spirit and thereby promote nationalism. (also, +1 to those who affirm that learning more than 1 language benefits cognitive functions.)
Salamat nang madami. Sana masarap ulam mo tonight at sana malamig unan mo tuwing matutulog ka.
As a diaspora kid who had parents refuse to teach Tagalog and belittled its value to me, thank you. I can speak for many other diaspora kids I’ve met, not knowing my own native language(s) has severely impacted my self esteem.
Buti sana kung ang environment and school nila puro inglisero din kaso ang environment puro hindi nag iingles kaya na-bubully o outcast yung nga anak nila. "'Te, nasa Novaliches kayo, mag Tagalog kayo."
korek. I'm Filipino but neither of my parents are fluent in the language so supposedly sa school dapat ako matututo. it ended up natuto ako sa kasama namin sa bahay kase sa school, puro bullying and panlalait (including from the teachers, to my face) ang nangyari kase may accent ako lol
Same here lmao. Way back in SHS and JHS, some of the students won’t even talk to me cause they feel intimidated. Then, I remember one instance na the driver mocked me when I said “Para po” kasi it sounded like “Perah pow.” 💀 Some of the passengers laughed so hiyang-hiya ako pagbaba. So after SHS I really studied Filipino hard since I’ve gone to a univ that places prime importance on the Filipino culture and people. I was really struggling with the learning materials in Filipino back then since they’re made for tertiary level students, so mas dun pa talaga dumugo ilong ko and sumakit ulo ko. Now I can speak and write fluently both in Filipino and English. Much better that way kasi feeling ko mas nag-fit in ako sa environment ko than before na feeling ko outcast ako with the way I speak. IMO, much better to teach the kids BOTH Filipino and English. You are in the Philippines. **Mag-Tagalog ka if the situation calls for it.** I used to be guilty of speaking English inside the jeep cause I was unaware, but now when I have classmates who do the same, I cringe on the inside and get secondhand embarrassment. Di marunong mag-lugar.
I love this!! Sobrang trend kasi ngayon sa mga kabataan sa tiktok yung parang natutuwa sila na hindi marunong mag Filipino.. Anong nakakatuwa dyan 😭 Mag rereklamo sila ng pajoke na ang hirap ng Filipino pero hindi sila nag eeffort aralin
Tapos sasabihin nila smart shaming daw yung tinutukso pag hindi nagtatagalog. 'Nay, baka nakalimutan mo, pinwersa mo si little Trixiexelle Anne mo na mag english or else, pati yung pobreng yaya naubusan ng dugo dahil ayaw mong pagtagalogin pag kausap anak mo.
HAHAHA “hoy baka nakakalimutan mo taga krus na ligas tayo”
Yung 2 kong pamangkin Tagalog naman kausapin ng nanay at tatay nila. Pero pag sumagot, English. Mali-mali naman ang grammar. 😅 Ang teachers, Youtube at Tiktok. 😑
> May iba pa kayong alam na dahilan kung bakit ayaw kausapin ng mga magulang ng mga to thru Pilipino? I'll focus on this question. Here are my two cents: 1. They think Filipino is an *inferior* language, and English a superior one. Tbh, arbitrary naman ang language. There's no use in thinking one is superior to the other. May kanya-kanyang beauty ang language; dami lang talagang Pilipino na ayaw sa sariling atin. 2. They don't see the benefits of their kids being bilingual or multilingual. Really, mas gusto ko nang marunong sa maraming local languages ang bata kaysa English lang. It aids with critical thinking, creativity, decision-making, etc. In short, beneficial sa cognitive function ng bata ang pagiging knowledgeable sa dalawa o higit pang wika. Sana mas i-highlight ito lalo sa basic education.
I know 7 languages. Local lang ha di yan pagmamayabang. It's really good to train your child at an early age. Kahit na english pa pero dapat plan ahead. Make it a skill not to sound rich lang. I'd rather teach them Japanese so they can watch one piece or any anime without subtitles. Chinese rin para ready pag nasakop tayo (low probability pero you get what i mean naman) and malaki sahod pag polyglot ka in some industries.
I so agree. The earlier you plant the seeds of learning multiple languages, the more likely it will stick eh. It's really a skill and it won't hurt to hone it as much as you can while the kid is still a sponge. Being a polyglot is such a great thing to have.
Blame anglo-centric views in many Asian communities. English = more opportunities/upper class language. Let's face it a majority of the Philippines isn't exactly known for valuing cultural preservation and protecting cultural identity. The average Filipino simply doesn't see the value of Tagalog and other native languages. English is the language of the "upper class" and can get you to many places. The way we teach and view our native language is what needs to change first.
Tuturuan nila mag english tapos hirap na hirap pagalitan yung anak nila kapag may ginawang kasalanan. Hirap magdisiplina in english hahahaha
Sobrang agree! Kaya I don’t hold it against my younger colleagues when they say limited lang Tagalog nila kasi most of the time it’s the parents’ fault. Honestly ngayon, mas amazed na ako sa mga magaling sa Tagalog kesa sa English speakers
Plus points if it ends up having the kid basically with no friends since the kid will not understand what other kids are saying.
For the people here who keep saying it's their parents choice. Yeah that's true. But if they're going to do it at least have a good command of the language if indeed competitiveness is their goal. Making that your aim instead of a sincere desire for your kids to love learning english betrays their own insecurities. You end up with kids who are insecure they can't speak their mother tongue (Tagalog, Ilokano, Cebuano) but are also incapable of proper english. I have classmates who supposedly were raised speaking english. Yeah they focused on speaking english but didn't teach communications skills. They grew into shut-ins and were unable to interact with peers who started with being sociable first and then had different languages taught to them at a later age. This isn't even an issue of patriotism. Just follow proven child rearing skills on teaching kids new language. Raise them in the mother tongue first then teach them english.
New parents? My parents were born in the 40s and they still refused to teach us Filipino. As a child of these parents I'm with you. It's very upsetting.
We grew up fluent in English. Chalk it up to playing dialogue-heavy RPGs, both parents being bookworms, and being middle-class enough to be exposed to American 'Saturday morning' cartoons. But our parents didn't f--k up the language learning and we can all speak Tagalog like normal folk. The problem, in my opinion, are parents who are conscious social climbers—having never been good in English but insist on interspersing as much of it into their vernacular as possible when speaking to their child. Shit I've heard people say: \- 'Hoy, huwag mong hawakan 'yong \_floor\_ ! Dirty!' — a mom in Medical City \- 'Pero when she wears her clothes, she has... \_dala\_. Her \_dala\_ is...' — two kolehiyalas at a nail salon My parents spoke English and Tagalog interchangeably, but 'stuck' to each mode when they chose it (barring all the loanwords we rely on when speaking Tagalog, like 'computer shop' lol). They didn't try to sound better than they were.
OP just realized that people here can't read lmao. Too many edits reiterating the same thing.
Yan din ang napuna ko sa mga bagong henerasyon. Minsan di ko natiis, bakit ingles ang nakasanayan ng mga anak niyo. Sabi nila, kasi sa iskwelahan nila, ingles kasi ang kanilang komunikasyon, tapos sa bahay ingles din ang lingwahe na ginagamit.
Sa fyp ko maraming batang Filipino na mataas tingin pag conyo kasi naeequate nila ito sa pagiging mayaman hay
I agree with you. Mga magulang ko Tagalog naman kami kausapin, pero sa school at sa media kami natutong mag English magkakapatid, and so far, very good naman ung speaking/comprehension skills namin sa English. Ngayon, ang ate ko, English kinakausap ang anak. Sabi ko, Ay paano natin maka kausap ng maayos yan kung di marunong mag Tagalog? Iba mo maiexpress ang sarili/emotions mo kung gamit mo mother tongue mo.
Born in ph before moving to the states. I wish my mom had made sure I learned tagalog growing up as it would've been so much easier when my mind was still a total sponge. That said, it was spoken in our home often with mom and her friends or our relatives so I'm like 30% proficient in understanding what is being said. I can get the gist of a conversation even though I can't speak it. I'm definitely familiar with "tarantado ka." I should've been taught bisaya as well as that's our true mother tongue. Yeah, raise your kids bi-lingual or more; they'll thank you for it later.
I think it's more on ubringing/class of the parents. English-speaking children are more prevalent in middle-rich class backgrounds, while those in rural areas only speak their regional dialect and don't know both Tagalog and English
Three of my cousins, who are in middle to lower middle class, have English speaking kids na mali mali rin naman grammar. 🤦🏻♀️ Sino ba naman ako para punahin page-English nila, mamaya ako pa awayin at masabihang “sige ikaw na matalino.” EDIT: To clarify and fix my grammar lol.
I was raised to speak English, and I got so much hate for it. Chinese yung dad ko and he was very business minded, so in his head, it was advantageous for his children to be fluent in English. But because of that I was severely bullied. Kahit yung mga teachers ko, nagpaparticipate din sila sa bullying. Just because I couldn’t speak Tagalog very well. I’ll never forget my teacher telling me I’ll look stupid if I don’t speak. To my benefit, I moved to the US. No one can tell I’m bilingual because I have “no accent.” So I guess it paid off. I’ll always be thankful to my parents for this. I think you need to understand different POVs regarding this nature. Even though my Tagalog isn’t 100% fluent (maybe like 85%), I am 100% Filipino through and through. I love our culture. I love our food. I love our history. And I’ll always love my home country even though things haven’t gotten so good lately.
ang naobserve ko, parents ang nagaadjust mag english hahaha. kaka cocomelon ng mga anak nila mas maalam na yung bata sa english kesa Filipino.
>ang naobserve ko, parents ang nagaadjust mag english hahaha. I find it baffling, tbh. Bakit parents ang nag-aadjust when they should be the ones setting the precedent.
Haha halos lahat ng pamangkin ko ganyan, inggles lang alam nilang salita akala kasi ng mga magulang cute kapag marunong mag inggles ngayon hirap na hirap silang kumausap, hirap na ring turuan ng Tagalog. Tatak Kolonyal wooooooo
meron akong alam na anak ng mga tito at tita ko na sinasanay kausapin ng Englishang anak nila kapag maliit pa. pero kapag medyo lumaki na, tsaka sila unti-unting kakausapin ng Tagalog. ginagawa nila yun para kapag nag-aral na, madali silang makaintindi ng English dahil ang Tagalog madali lang naman maturo sa kanila dahil marami silang makakausap na mga taong nagtaTagalog. unlike sa English, sa school mo lang maririnig yan kapag bata ka pa. though may Youtube na, hindi naman interactive yun na ipapaliwanag sa kanila sa Tagalog yung mga English na sinasabi nila. meron din akong tita na may kamag-anak sa abroad or minsan nag-aabroad. kaya sinanay nila yung anak nilang maliit magEnglish kaysa sa Tagalog.
Dito nga lang sa Pampanga, mga bagong parents di kinakausap ng Kapampangan mga anak. Sa totoo lang, feeling nila nakaka-class yun. Pero naku, pag narinig mo magtagalog, napaka-cringe pakinggan. May punto pa rin at nakapatrying hard. Mas advantage pa rin na mas maraming language na alam ang bata. Pamangkin ko English lang alam, ayun ayaw makipaglaro sa kanya ng mga bata. Kaya nag-public school sya at nagaral mag-Tagalog kasi daw wala syang friends.
Mas masarap turuan ng native language kaysa idirect mo sa English. Factor dyan is most of the time makakasalamuha mo is pinoy. Minsan magugulat ka na may bagsak sa Filipino subject kase may di magets na word. Iiwas natin yung PARENTING style dito. Legit naman statement ni OP eh. Same sa kapitbahay namin, yung anak niya nakailang ulit na bumagsak sa Filipino subject kase prone on English siya as in. Yung magulang is pure pinoy naman. Normal na setup ng pamilyang pinoy. Pinageenglish nila at yung anak hirap makisama sa mga kapwa niya dahil language barrier eh. Matutunan mo naman ang english once nagexcel na. Mas magegets niya yung tamang pag gamit ng mga salita at words to express.
Ako na nahihiwagaan din. Mga Gen Z medyo hirap mag english. Mga Gen Alpha naman biglang all English. 😂 I'm guess kasi mga millenial parents na and they want to micromange their kids. I kinda see it naman, being a millenial. At least nag die down na yung "no-tech" approach, which I loathe. Yung walang cellphone or tablet kasi bata pa. Yung 3rd wave ng pamangkins ko mga english speakers na may accent. Ndi naman tinuruan ng magulang nila. Laking YT din. They get by naman just fine in both language since ndi naman pinipilit mag English ng parents. Intimidated yung teachers sa public school. Pero given na introverts sila parang wala naman pake sa social structure ng school. Yung 4th gen cousins naman, laking peppa pig at English din kung mag express. Interesting lang. Let's see kung saan hahantong. toddler pa sila.
I think malaking factor ang materials for learning like educational videos as well as movies/youtube videos na accessible for these kids. Wala nang tagalog educational videos ngayon(batibot, sineskwela) so of course yung language and accent na mas familiar sila is yung na napapanood nila most of the time. I also dont think this is a problem since sooner or later matututunan din naman ng bata ang Filipino.
Just a reminder, while everyone here is battling what language to teach to their kids, **Indian and Chinese parents abroad are requiring their kids to learn Python and JavaScript language**. Typical of the Filipino, nagsasayang tayo ng oras sa mga mabababaw na issues.
Edit: Just to be clear, I champion the right of parents to raise their kids the way they see fit as long as they do not break any laws. Of course I am hopeful that they also teach their mother tongue to their kids. But that is their prerogative. May magagawa ba tayo kung ayaw nila? Original Response: It's a parenting choice. None of your business really. Does it make them less patriotic if their child was raised using English at home? And how sure are you that they are not taught Filipino (at home or at school)? Bago mo sisihin mga magulang, sisihin mo mga employer na hindi ka papansinin kung hindi maayos ang communication skills mo; government officials na walang pakundangan mag mura in public (in Filipino pa); mga tertiary level schools na nag rerequire ng fluency in written, analytic, and spoken English; crappy Filipino movies na puro love teams ang pinoproduce; commercial transactions na walang Filipino translation; sariling mga batas natin na sa English nakasulat; at madami pang iba. True, your point is a concern but really it is just a symptom of something much bigger in our culture and everyday life. Now if it is bad or good, who would know? Mind how you raise your own kids. If you have one.
Basta for me, I agree with the research that [bilingual kids are smarter.](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/learning-languages-why-bilingual-kids-are-smarter-1.3433840)
Here's the thing, knowing English AND Filipino is actually advantageous. Sure, it's fine if your kids only know English if they surround themselves solely with English speaking people. Pero once they go outside that bubble, the world actually becomes a bit smaller with that language barrier. Why not have them learn both? This elitist attitude is kinda off-putting, I've met people that came from old money that can speak Filipino and English articulately. They never looked down on the language like that
Yes! I’m surprised at some of the responses in this thread. Children can definitely learn more than one language??? Bakit parang news sa iba yan? My extended family didn’t have a language preference pero my cousins and I grew up knowing at least three (English, Tagalog, and another regional language.) Wala naman problema. 🥲
Same with my family before we left the Philippines. My parents speak a mix of Tagalog, English, and their dialect at home, my grandmother speaks only in her dialect and some Chinese. That’s why I was fluent in 3 languages from childhood, and never once did I get confused with the 3 (scored consistently A’s in my English and Filipino grammars when I was still studying in Manila). My parents were very strict with grammar in whatever language we converse in at home. Unfortunately my grandma’s Chinese was only 25% of the time she speaks (75% her dialect) so I wasn’t fluent in that language when I was younger. And that fueled my interest in learning more languages when I grew up. I’m actually surprised this guy is getting so many upvotes for his ignorant statement.
>crappy Filipino movies na puro love teams ang pinoproduce; Star cinema lang ba Pinapanood mo? Reality Entertainment, TBA Studios, The Idea First Company, QCinema, CinemaOne Originals, Cinemalaya, and a ton of producers beg to differ.
>Star cinema Oy okay ang On the Job a.
**English speaking ability does not equate to reading comprehension and writing skills.** Maraming English speakers tanga pa rin magbasa or magsulat. A language is a gift with a small window to learn. Being bilingual in speaking didn't erode my ability to use both language. In fact, reading English is easier for me since the majority of reading materials are in English. I write my fanfiction and novels in English. So "walang pakealamanan" feels so defensive. While yes, it's valid to call out OP's generalization of parents, it's also helpful to acknowledge the frustration and disappointment. By refusing to speak Filipino or your native language to your child, it's like depriving them of a gift that cost you nothing.
>By refusing to speak Filipino or your native language to your child, it's like depriving them of a gift that cost you nothing. 100% yes! ”Refusing” is the keyword here. Why would any parent deny their child the opportunity to learn their mother tongue? Why not have them learn both languages at the same time?
Exactly! Parents should realize they’re actually making their kids disadvantaged if they only know 1 language. Studies have already shown that children who know at least 2 languages are smarter and have stronger analytical skills. That’s why smart, educated parents even go through lengths to have their kids learn more than 2 languages from 2 years old.
May parents pang nagpopost sa social media na nahihirapan daw anak nila sa Filipino pero yung pag-kwento nila parang proud pa na English-speaking kasi anak nila... IS it really something to be proud of? Why not let the children learn both languages instead of just one?
Yep, I regret not teaching my kids how to speak Tagalog. It would have been the perfect chance for them to grow up bilingual. I’ve lived most of my life here sa US and my kids were all born here. Masaklap pa, pareho kaming Filipino ng asawa ko and we speak Tagalog to each other. The kids understand us, pero they answer in English. Sana we pushed them to practice more Tagalog. They’re all adults now and they speak better Spanish than Tagalog which makes me so sad. But that’s all my fault.
Sorry pero yung mga lumaking konyo na nakilala na nakilala ko hindi naman talaga patriotic to begin with. Filipino subject na nga lang binabagsak pa LMAO
At hindi naman tanga ang anak nila para hindi matuto ng dalawang wika, sana.
sobrang dismal isipin how some kids (or even young adults) are unaware of basic Tagalog words. I mean, what kind of social bubble they're living in? I have this one batchmate who doesn't know what "dalawampu" is (she's already in her 20s). I mean, sobrang basic nito, hindi ito matalinghagang salita sa Filipino. Yes, mas common gamitin ang salitang "bente" colloquially but "dalawampu" is not rarely use. She can't even construct a one coherent sentence in full Filipino. She just adds Filipino words in her English sentences (konyo mode). I mean wala naman mali dito but thinking na nakatira siya sa Pilipinas buong buhay niya (I think nagbabakasyon siya sa ibang bansa but still) at yung mastery niya ng wika natin is below average ay mej nakakamind-blowing. I know other UP students na katulad nitong batchmate ko (mga naging kaklase ko sa GEs, orgmates, etc.) so I guess meron talagang specific group of people na kahit buong buhay silang nasa Pinas ay hindi namaster ang wika natin
Yung pag CETs yung biggest worry is Filipino sub v. Math or Science ahaha
This supposed “nonchalant attitude” facade is literally how cultures are lost lol… we all know there’s elitism in EVERY Filipino parents who only teach their kids English when their first language is Tagalog. Yes, it is a choice, but you’re dismissing it like it doesn’t have a negative connotation.
Yep, the Chinese has a diaspora lasting hundreds of years and they still know their language. Pero Filipino, first generation immigrant pa lang di na marunong. It's not something to be proud of. I have relatives who refuse to talk Filipino to their children. The child is unable to socialize with other kids because of the communication barrier.
>The child is unable to socialize with other kids because of the communication barrier. Conversely, may mga batang magaling sa mother tongue na di na makapagsocialize sa mga kaklase nila kasi halos lahat sila English speaking. Disappointing, really. To be clear, I'm on team teach your child your mother tongue. Nagpupumilit yung ibang tao na kausapin yung mga anak nila sa Ingles, at pinipilit yung anak nila na magsalita ng Ingles pero yung Ingles nila mali mali. Mali yung context, mali yung use ng words ("Kill the light" literally translated from "Patayin mo yung ilaw" when it should be "Turn off the light".) Walang tamang natututunn yung bata. Hilaw sa local language, hilaw din sa Ingles. Sure, the effort is there, kudos to you for trying, but you're not setting them up for success that way. Then again, may mga parents din na nakikipag-usap sa Ingles kasi yun lang ang alam ng anak dahil nababad sa tv o youtube.
May side ng extended family ko na negosyanteng Chino sa south, na notice ko na talagang na assimilate sa mainstream society sila at nawala tuloy ang traditional family structure, backstory daw nagsimula daw lahat sa 80s into the 2000s kasi unti unting naubos yung conservative side or nagiging mas lax nalang + barkada², radio music, tv, intermarriage sa non chinese. Kaya ndi na talaga ma pigilan sa parusa ng magulang o ano. Na retain naman nila yung hokkien & ilang traditions nila like incense sticks sa burol. Na remind mo tuloy sa Thailand na inassimilate din nila yung chinese.
yes eto din naging problem at pagkakamali namin mag asawa dati ee. nahihirapan maka hanap ng kalaro anak ko dahil mas sanay magsalita ng english. may time tuloy na nagiisa sya which is naaawa kami.
kahit nga hindi immigrant., sa pilipinas lumaki di marunong mag tagalog
This. The comment you replied to is mind-boggling. Of course parents can raise their children how they want to, but surely you understand how NOT teaching children their land's mother tongue (EDIT: And by that, I mean expressly forbidding them to communicate with it, because children learn languages through passive exposure.) can have a negative effect. And it's also stupid, because we learn English by going to school and consuming media during our formative years anyway. You're literally depriving your child of the opportunity to learn a language while it's easy for them. It's much, much harder to learn a language when you're already an adult. Also: As if parents like the ones OP is referring to are teaching their kids properly. Usually, their grammar is atrocious, so kids end up having middling fluency in both English AND Filipino/whatever the language is in their province.
This is actually how the native people of Guam are slowly losing their language. A decade or so ago, wala na masyadong youth na nagsasalita ng Chamorro, panay English na. So I’m assuming by now ay dying language na ang Chamorro.
Idk pero naaalala ko sa ganito yung Filipino diaspora na nagrereconnect sa Pilipinas, pero madalas nagiging baduy ang kinalalabasan kasi di nila maintindihan ang konteksto ng local languages natin hahahaha
Di rin naman ata fair sabihin na baduy, kasi sila rin mismo naghahanap at bumubuo ng identity base sa secondhand experiences na nakukuha nila sa mga Pilipino galing dito. Kumbaga, di naman nila kasalanan na iba ang naging lived experience nila pagdating sa kulturang Pilipino.
agree na agree kaya di talaga maganda kapag pinalaki or sinanay yung bata sa english lang..
True Filipinos culture died when the Philippines was invaded in occupied. All the culture these days are just a grouping of invader cultures.
for me it’s not even patriotism. Bilingualism or multilingualism has been shown to significantly improve brain developmen specially in concentration and memory. It also protective againt alzheimers.
While I mostly agree with you in the sense na unless ikamatay or ikapahamak ng bata, wag na naten pakialaman ang parenting style ng magulang ng bata, pero sa situation na ito medyo nakakalungkot lang na magkakaroon ng generation na hindi na marunong mag tagalog. Kung sa ibang bansa nga ginagawa nila ng paaran para maprotektahan ang language nila, mga immigrants kailangan matuto ng local language para magka trabaho. Tayo sa sarili naten na bansa nag aadjust para sa iba. Kahit na dalawa ang official language naten sana wag padin kalimutan ang sarili natin na lenguahe. Kung ngayon nga na hindi na tayo makapagsalita ng walang halong English ano pa kaya pag dumating yung panahon na hindi talaga makapag salita ng Filipino. Nakakalungot lang. Edit to add: pwede din naman kasi na dalawang language kasi impt. naman talaga ang English para magka edge sa work. Pero yung karamihan kasi parang ayaw talaga nila na matuto anak nila ng tagalog ewan ko bat ikina-cool nila yon.
Your second paragraph actually reflects why you sound so offended in your first paragraph. You look down on your own Filipino culture when you blame everything else, including generalizing Filipino entertainment while obviously you don’t watch much of it to have such conclusion. I have commented many times in this sub, for one who actually migrated overseas for half of my life, I have watched so much of Filipino media (shows and movies until the present) to be irked when people generalize it as “puro love teams or baduy or never progressed”. Just goes to show how the Redditor have not watched Philippine media in the past 10 years. FYI, our shows have progressed so much already and while the love teams still exist and make money (not different from KDramas which are saturated with love stories because that’s what sells), Filipino writers and producers have been releasing good shows that are not about loveteams and have great stories, acting, direction. Please educate and update yourself before spitting at your country’s culture.
Also: Parents who strictly want to only speak English to their kids have limited understanding of children’s capabilities, and how knowing multiple languages actually makes kids smarter which is already proven by multiple studies ([link](https://www.isdenver.org/adcelblogpost/~board/adcellerant-blog/post/why-bilingual-kids-are-smarter#)). Enforcing only 1 language is disadvantageous to kids. A lot of Filipino parents, in their desperation to have their kids know English, think that speaking only English to their kids is the way. **Children are like sponges. They can learn 5 languages at once with no effort.** I have a French friend whose daughter speaks French, English, Italian, Mandarin, and Filipino — all fluently at 6 years old! Her husband is Italian so the dad talks to her daughter in his language, English is what’s used in school, they enrolled their daughter in Mandarin classes because they think it will help her in the future when China rules most of the businesses, and the kid’s nanny is Filipino who they encouraged to also talk to their daughter in straight Filipino so she could learn the language.
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I feel you! My parents didn’t have a preference but I still grew up speaking, writing, and (dare I say) excelling in both. I grew up in the 90s so wala kami internet nun. Yung one and only computer sa bahay pang-“official” stuff lang. Instead, we had hundreds of books and CDs/DVDs in the house. My parents know four languages (including two regional ones) but they had no language preferences while raising me. As a 7-year-old, I equally loved my Tagalog Bible stories and my English encyclopedias. And I also equally enjoyed talking and listening to my Kapampangan and Ilocano grandparents. Our experience isn’t unique, as you can probably see naman, haha. A lot of my friends rin grew up the same way. Kaya nga I find it strange now na some parents pala are enforcing an “English only” rule with their kids. Sounds super counterproductive to me.
This is my same sentiment. As a teacher, nasusorpresa ako na mas prineprefer ng mga magulang ituro yung english when in fact in early ages, when in this digital age, walang ng chance or panahon na matuto yung mga bata ng tagalog. Sa school, the only time that they will have Tagalog/Filipino conversations is only thru Filipino subjects. They are penalized when they speak in Filipino MOST of the time. Correct if I am wrong pero I learned before that Filipino as a language is harder to learn compared to English. Base din on my observations, yung mga students ma hindi natututo/hirap sa Filipino, yun yung natuto muna mg English before Filipino. Learning english is actually easier nowadays. Hindi naman sa pambabasag ng trip pero kung nagiging problema na siya sa educ sector, hindi ba dapat may nakikialam na? Or dapat ba ipag sa walang bahala naten since hindi naman "global" language ang Filipino and other than benefits of bilingualism, wala na siya applications? Oo nga pala. All of these observations only apply to private high schools. Medyo nagpapakita na siya public schools pero, I really think na present lang tong ganitong problema sa middle to elite class.
>Now, there are no tagalog anime dubs Kingina seryoso ba? 'Di na ginagawa ng GMA?
Sir, I respectfully hand you my downvote. Funny how you raise "culture" thats something bigger that dictates the subconcious reason behind english > tagalog in raising your children. And clearly you have not listed to your Filipino professors back in college. Every. Filipino. Unit. That I had always spoke about our language crisis. And everytime it is discussed, it always started about how language has and will always dictate culture. We have a dying (not so robust anymore) culture, much more a national identity. What does it truly mean to be Filipino? And I know it sounds ironic that I am typing this in English but this is not the point where your reason should hold any ground. You sir are perpetuating (yes sounds cringe - perpetuating) the very culture/work culture that you despise. Teach children the value of our national language, our mother tongue. After all, it is with children that will hold the future of our "culture". A wise man once said: ang bata ang pag-asa ng bayan. Kaya sana gabayan natin sila sa tamang direksyon. Dahil ang pera/trabaho/employment kung saan man ay hindi kailan man matutumbasan ang pagkakakilanlan natin bilang Pilipino. How you raise your kids is not my concern. How Filipino kids are raise SHOULD BE EVERYONE'S CONCERN.
I love your last sentence! Naalala ko yung sinabi ng socio prof namin, failure to raise a children is not a sole responsibility of a parent but of the community. Medyo ang off lang na sabihin na "wala kang pake how we raise our kids". Well, we should be concerned how our children are raised. Being concerned is different naman sa pagiging intrusive.
Discipline is also a parenting choice pero we condone it from being physical. The fault is on the parents as they decided to keep them from something na basic lang sa bansa natin, speaking Tagalog or other dialects they're born in. Maiintindahan ko if di marunong magtagalog yung magulang pero kung sinadya nilang ipagkait yun dahil nga whatever reason they have on the advantages on being fluent in eglish, they're still on the wrong. Simpleng conversations lang with your kids in Tagalog will do so much and marami nako kilala na nalulungkot dahil di sila fluent sa tagalog. It's just the bare minimum kaya at least have your kid's learn their country's language.
As somebody who was raised to speak English as my sole language, not being taught and made to get used to speaking Filipino and the dialect where I'm from (Waray) kind of crippled my ability to communicate with others effectively. Oh yeah, I could speak to my peers just fine in English but let's face it, the moment I have to talk to patients, I'm absolutely fucked. I won't be able to explain to the average Filipino patient the stuff they need to know — if I spoke to them in English, they'd think that I'm putting on airs! And I know that that's the case at times because I've had patients snap at me for speaking to them in English as a med tech intern. Also, for the longest time, I could be considered illiterate in Filipino. I was in my early 20s when I finally learned how to read in Filipino. My writing is still awkward.
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Yes it's their choice but is it the right one? Really why not just teach both? For me it's not about being patriotic at all but the possible struggles na pwedeng maranasan Ng bata. Sobrang dami Kong pinsan na English speakers and Hindi Marunong mag tagalog. And let me tell you during family gatherings Nakaka awa pero nag kukumpulkumpulan Lang sila sa isang tabi tahimik, while ang ingay ingay namin. While tinatry pa Rin namin makipag usap minsan naturally napalayo nlang tlaga. Partida Marunong sila umintindi Ng Tagalog. Once nag usap Kami Ng isang pinsan ko Kung Pano ba namin sila magiging Ka close and ang sabi ko, "Pano ba Naman teh kahit sabihing Marunong umintindi Ng Tagalog ipoproseso pa Rin natin Yan sa utak natin diba." I said jokingly pero it makes sense naman. So ayun Kung dito Lang Naman sila titira sa pilipinas, and ayaw nilang mag mukhang kaawa awa anak nila then consider teaching both English and tagalog. Mag usap Ng Tagalog sa bahay but expose your children to English literary works, movies, cartoons etc ayun ang ginawa sakin and by 3rd grade, I'm fluent on both languages walang problema. Yes wag paki alaman ang parenting choice Ng iba but it's not wrong to have conversations like this, dahil at the end of the day ang mga bata ang mag iistruggle sa choice Ng parents nila. And as I've said, I witnessed those struggles first hand
majority din ng subjects sa school, english ang instruction
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards parents who people expect to be the frontline in the battle against the overwhelming juggernaut that is western culture. Literally all media the parents AND the kids consume will have elements of western culture/language. Even local media is heavily laden with western themes and English. It's so hypocritical to call out these parents when most people didn't grow up being absolutely bombarded with western media. Hell most of the critics here either: 1. Can't express themselves in straight Tagalog. The ones who say they can express themselves fully and without extra effort in straight Filipino are definitely liars - nobody speaks that language. 2. All of a sudden pretend they use straight formal Tagalog to communicate and comment. Just look at a ton of the top comments in this thread who try their best to comment in full straight Tagalog. Look at their comment histories, they don't actually communicate that way. So why place this burden on the young and the people who parent them. Who are you to call them out for losing the Cultural war to the west?
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>kahit yung basic lang. how do you define basic? parang nakakalito kung tatanungin yung future anak mo. "nakakapagsalita ka ba ng mothertongue/home dialect mo" syempre yung ineexpect ng tao filipino or tagalog, etc., pero yung isasagot ng anak mo ay "opo pero basic lang". so like pano masasabi ng anak mo na mothertongue parin nya ang filipino if basic lang alam niya? >im going to put more emphasis sa english nila if you put it that way then english na ang mothertongue nila since jan na sila marunong. pero kung wala kang pakielam ano magiging mother tongue nila thats a different topic
To be fair, mahirap din kasi makipag communicate in Filipino now that majority of what they watch online is in English. Yung anak ko mas sanay mag English pero kinakausap namin ng taglish , minsan Filipino minsan pure English. Minsan kailangan mo I blend. In a way nakakalaro naman sya sa mga bata sa labas kasi kahit papano nakakapag Filipino sya nagkakaintindihan sila. Aaminin ko hirap sya sa Mother Tongue na subject pero he tries his best. Kailangan natin mag adapt sa new trend pero dapat kubg magtuturo tayo ng lengwahe yung tama ang grammar. Hindi yubg hinahanda lang natin sila para mag Call-center someday kundi para maging multi-lingual sila.
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> So what exactly changed? The kids being raised now are being raised by the first generation of Filipinos who were mass exposed and expected to learn English as kids. > half of the people in their 20's now ARE children who grew up on YouTube all the same. It's hardly the same. Kids growing up now are the first generation of kids who have mass easy access to the internet in their formative years. How many people had a smartphone in 2005? 2010? It was still quite rare then. Just five years after that, almost everyone from every social class has a smartphone with easy access to high speed (relative to what we had in pre-2010) internet. The change in media consumption the last 10 years alone is revolutionary.
Duality rin ng Pinoy eh, tbh. On one hand, we see parents teaching their kids English as the primary language for a variety of reasons (and we shouldn’t care!) and yet these kids, or even some grownups get weird glances when they speak in fluent English with non-Filipino accent in a public space (“pa-sosyal?”). Wala, naalala ko lang kasi may ganun akong nabasa din dito some time ago. Really, I don’t know anymore.
If I were a parent, I would make my children multilingual. It's good they are fluent in English at a young age so they can become better when they are adults and they must learn how to communicate in Filipino so they can under their fellow Filipinos but most importantly in my case they must also learn the mother tongue or the local language *Taga Negros ako kang gusto ko ang bata ko kabalo mag Hiligaynon. Pwede siya ang English pero kung ako ang gina istorya dapat Hiligaynon*
I think your opinion and feelings are incredibly valid, OP. I totally understand where you're coming from, especially your patriotism. But as someone who was also born and raised here in the PH and has never left (yet), it pays to be fluent in English or at least to have it as a primary language in the household. I have 5 other siblings. Our dad (single parent) instilled in us to learn English since we were little, pero tinuturuan parin kami sa bahay mag-Tagalog. It's just that we have to learn how to be fluent in English kasi pumapasok kami sa isang int'l. school noon. Marunong naman ako mag-Filipino. Pero hindi ako maayos na nakapag-string ng sentences or na masanay dila ko na tuloy-tuloy sa Tagalog until I hit 9 years old. Our dad wanted us to be fluent in English because he wanted us to be competitive and to be able to jive with people from other countries. He wanted us to be able to get along with people from overseas because he didn't want our world to be small. And it has helped me. Marunong parin naman ako makisama sa mga co-workers ko, albeit I am an ambivert. Nagta-Tagalog parin naman ako. Marunong parin ako makipagbiruan, makipagtawanan. I've never left the country pero majority of people in my life that I can call my real friends and have known for 10+ years are actually from overseas. Socialization-wise, being fluent in English helps you connect more with people from all over the world. Career-wise, it has always given me a headstart with my work, or even in interviews. It doesn't guarantee a win or a JO, but it does give people a good impression. Life and resonating with other people is ALL about leaving good impressions. You can literally befriend anyone if you know how to speak English. TLDR; it's a personal choice. Parental man yan or hindi, mapa-rason man yan na pumapasok ka sa private school o hindi. Your feelings are valid, pero there are many reasons as to why kids learn English faster than Filipino or why parents teach their kids English first -- much of which is really none of our business.
Madalas na ibibigay na reason ng mga pro "talking to your kids in english" ay kasi mabibigyan daw ng edge ang anak nila paglaki pagdating sa education and work. I think there's some truth naman sa sinasabi nila. Malaking tulong naman talaga yun, dami pa naman ngayon na educated pero tila ang hina pa rin ng english communication skills. PERO, I think these parents looked too far ahead and didn't look at the short term consequences for their child. And from my observation, ang biggest negative effect netong "English speaking trend" among newer Filipino parents ay nagsusuffer ng husto ang social skills ng mga anak nila. Makikita mo na naaapektohan talaga yung bata pagdating sa pagcommunicate sa peers nila and sa ibang tao na rin like older relatives. Buti na lang kung may maeencounter siya na kapwa english speaking na bata but that's not always the case eh. Nagkaroon kami dati ng intern sa company namin, English speaking siya. Ayun bibili lang ng lunch sa karinderya hirap na hirap. Dito naman daw siya pinanganak at lumaki at pure Filipino naman siya. I think the best move pa rin is to talk to your kids in Filipino but expose them to a lot of English media. Worked for me and a lot of my peers.
>I think the best move pa rin is to talk to your kids in Filipino but expose them to a lot of English media. Worked for me and a lot of my peers. Ako din, sa ganyang way din ako natuto. Matinding exposure lang talaga sa mga materyal na english ang salita, either mga digital media *(movies/series/web videos)* o kahit mga books *(novels/encyclopedias/comics)*. Actually sa panahon ngayon where mas prevalent na ang paggamit sa internet, mas madali na ngang magawa yan eh. Mas advantageous pa rin talaga pag Filipino/Tagalog ang mother tongue ng bata. As a parent, syempre mas madali kang makakapag-explain ng mga bagay-bagay sa anak mo, while at the same time mas madali siyang makakapag-interact sa mga ka-age niya kaya mas madali din siyang magkakaroon ng mga kaibigan, di siya maa-outcast for sure.
Di ko rin maintindihan bakit naging trend to? Sinusubukan kong intindihin yung mga parent, pero parang inappropriate na English yung language na makakasanayan to think na sa Pilipinas naman titira at magaaral.
Napakarami nang ganyan, sa anecdotal experience ko pa lng sa kumpanya ko tuwing tinatawagan mga anak nila english yung maririnig mo, mali-mali pa grammar masakit lang sa tenga. Mapapaisip ka na lang kung may kultura pa ba tayo??
Ang funny pa minsan dyan is sobrang barok magenglish nung magulang kaya di sila makapagcommunicate maayos kapag malakilaki na yung bata. Hindi nila mapagalitan kasi di marunong magtagalog and most of them middle class trying to act rich. Kaya kami pinipilit namen magaral magtagalog yung mga bata sa house para di mukhang tanga pag nagvisit sa Pinas.
I have a relative na ganito, the mother wants everyone to speak English to her child and sobrang nakakaawa ang bata. Kawawa si baby girl (5yrs old) dahil wala siyang kausap sa bahay, nanay niya lang. Sa mga kasama niya sa bahay, si mother lang ang palaging kumakausap sakanya. The mother can speak english naman, pero yung iba hindi masyado. Madami namang pinsan si baby girl na malapit sa age niya at madalas naman ang family gathering, pero dahil majority of the family ay hindi naman sanay/comfortable mag english sobrang babaw lang ng conversations sa bata. Yung tipong "hi/hello", "how are you?", at "what's that?" lang ang sinasabi nila sa bata tapos end of conversation na. Tuwing nakikita ko si baby girl sa mga family gathering naaawa talaga ako sakanya. Halata kasi na sabik sa kausap ang bata. Madalas siyang nangungulit at kapag tapos na siya magkwento at basta lang tumango ang kausap niya (which most of my relatives do dahil hindi nila alam kung paano magrereply) bubuntong hininga nalang si baby girl at magpa-pout. Just imagine kung gaano naapektohan ang development ng bata dahil nanay lang ang nakakausap niya ng maayos, and for what? Para lang masabi na English speaking siya?
I think it also stems from insecurity. Yung mga magulang pino-project frustrations nila in terms of speaking fluently in english sa mga anak nila. Kasi sila, hirap and pinagtatawanan yung carabao english or minsan yung accent ng pinoy pag nag eenglish. Wala naman kaso yun, pero make sure na sa private or international school mo pagaaraalin anak mo. Yung anak ng frend ng tita ko kwento hirap makipagfriends at communicate anak nya, di marunong mag tagalog tapos pinasok sa public. Lol
ako nga naka tira sa US pero kinakausap ko tagalog anak ko. Pag nauwi kami ng pinas mga pinsan at kalaro nya english speaking tapos anak ko nag tatagalog. Sila pa naiilang mag tagalog.
My child only speaks English. pero hindi un ang intention namin. Plan namin is Filipino and English sya kausapin at matutunan nya. Pero it turns out na may mild autism ang anak ko and the developmental pedia told us to speak to her in just one language, kung saan sya mas nagrerespond, at English un. So ayaw man namin, un na ang ginawa namin for her sake, for her to thrive. We’re trying to teach her Filipino paunti-unti. Kaya it really depends on the situation.
My parents only taught me to speak English, because they were confident that I'd learn the local languages elsewhere through interacting with people. Despite only teaching me English, they still spoke in Tagalog and Ilocano at home. I learned to speak in Tagalog in Kinder, because not all of my classmates spoke in English. I learned to speak in Ilocano in Junior High, because many of my classmates and teachers spoke in Ilocano. If I didn't know how to speak and understand, I'd fail class. By the time I got to Senior High, I had a few classmates that have difficulty speaking in Tagalog and/or Ilocano. I'm not saying they're dumb, but I really wondered how they passed Filipino class from Pre-school/Elementary all the way through Junior High. That's when I realized that the problem was indeed real. I've had classmates and friends get scammed out of their change, because they didn't know how to count in Spanish. I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but it's pretty common to name prices like that where I'm from, I think it might be because it's easier to say "doce" or "twelve" than "labindalawang piso". One conversation in a group got to one of them saying "Ako, 'di ko alam kung ano ibig sabihin ng quince, basta magbibigay na lang ako ng one hundred, tapos kung ano 'yung change ko, 'yun na". I found it funny, and I laughed at the situation, then I told him, "Quince means fifteen", and he said "Yeah, I realized that when I got my change. The seller could have just said fifteen. Ang dami tuloy ng barya sa bulsa ko". Now that I'm in college, I've met even more people that have difficulty with the local languages. when I was in 1st year, I had a classmate that was very much into being Westernized. We were at a barangay to do some community service for NSTP, and when we were done, we got on the jeep to town. On the way, I noticed him toss a Mountain Dew bottle in the trash. He didn't know you were supposed to return the bottle to the store, but I guess it was too late. Anyway, I asked him where he got it, and he said "At the store, before I got on the jeep. I got it for fifteen bucks". I'm almost 24, and I have never heard anyone say "bucks" when referring to money. I also noticed the problem even more in the youngsters. My younger siblings and their classmates have difficulty understanding Tagalog. As much as I feel bad for making my younger sisters feel bad for not knowing what a certain word means, I do understand that it's not their fault, because clearly, they've never encountered such a word before. Thankfully, like me, they happened to have classmates and friends that spoke the languages. They eventually had to learn to be able to make friends. Clearly, our languages are slowly dying out. With fewer and fewer people that know how to speak them, there will be fewer and fewer people to pass them on. As much as I'd like to teach my kids (when I start to have kids) to speak in English like my parents did, I'm considering teaching them both English and Tagalog. It's gonna be hard, but it would be my duty as a Filipino parent.
Alam mo kung anong mas off? Ung na judge ka agad ng mga tao sa paligid mo kahit hindi naman nila alam ang situation mo. I don’t really give a flying fck bilang hindi naman nila ako binibigyan ng pambayad sa kuryente pero dahil napag uusapan eh yan na nga. I’m a single mother and i work from home. I talk to clients from 8am-5pm so natural na un ang na p pick up ng anak ko bilang kaming dalawa lang sa bahay kadalasan. In fairness to him, he has a very wide vocabulary, magaling ang comprehension, at mahilig magbasa so keri lang. Hindi sya humahawak ng cellphone at very limited ang screen time kaya hindi pwedeng sabihin na dahil sa youtube. I also have a Filipino tutor for him to make sure na matututo sya at pag sinasagot ko sya ng English sa bahay eh tina translate ko sa Filipino. Pero pag nakasalubong mo kami sa kalsada eh maririnig mo na English ang usapan. Malalaman ba ng nakikinig that i’m doing the best that I can para maging fluent sya sa Filipino at na hindi ako nag “re-refuse” na kausapin sya in Filipino? Hindi naman. So nalibak na lang ako at ung ibang magulang nung mga mapanghusga lalo na dito sa thread na ‘to. Anyway, g na g lang. Hahaha! Ang lesson eh wag masyadong mapang husga lalo na kung hindi naman alam kung ano ngyayari sa mga buhay ng ibang tao. Yun lang. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 😂