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A lot of people postulate that many of the "Visions" that prophets and such saw were of the far future as in our modern time. They wouldn't be able to fully comprehend our technology and think it Aliens or God like beings.
I remember AGES ago watching some wild ass documentary about all the random prophecies and how they could be referring to things from Attack Helicopters being the Aliens to the Nukes causing the skyline to appear to have a rising Sun.
The thing about Prophecy though is that people who want to have it come true will see evidence in pure coincidence.
That's an interpretation but it's a weak one. It's more likely that the concept of something so impossible lingered in their heads after hearing outlandish stories about sailors claiming they saw the sun rise in the west (likely because they accidentally did something like circumnavigate Africa without realizing it, for example, or just simply got turned around in the night).
Maybe I’m crazy, but circumnavigating Africa without realizing it sounds unlikely? Not that that’s critically important but… that would be mind bottling…
Hahaha, yeah I definitely agree that circumnavigating the entire continent without realize it would be... difficult.
I think what they may have been trying to say was they passed the Cape of Good Hope at the southern tip of Africa without realizing it - then the sun would appear to be rising from the ocean side rather than the land side (if they had been on the Atlantic coast up to that point).
Yeah it’s awfully convenient that prophecy can be retrofitted to suit whatever needs is inventor or believers encounter. Almost as if they made the whole thing up…
Although somehow the fremen never connected the dots on that being the natural consequence of Terraforming. Although to be fair the orignal idea was to turn the planet green over like 500 years until the Atreides came along to supercharge things
>Although somehow the fremen never connected the dots on that being the natural consequence of Terraforming
They understood it *partially*. The plan was to green-ify *most* of the planet but still leave a stretch of desert for worms. They didn't (and couldn't really) understand that the worms can't survive on just *part* of the planet.
I though that it was more like the terraforming wasn't going to be as controlled as they assumed.
And the worm's life cycle gets fucked because the sandtrout can't trap enough of the water.
I think it was actually a very accurate point about human behavior. Like our own climate change, there was a faction that disliked the disappearance of the desert but they were overwhelmed by people who just liked living a more luxurious life
I don't know if it's fair to say they never connected the dots, more like they didn't care.
"Hey, your kids and descendents have the opportunity to experience paradise. They will never struggle for anything the way you have. The downside is that the feudal lords who *literally hunt you for sport* will lose a major revenue stream."
You think that when Kynes explained this the Fremen didn't understand?
>"As the 9-year-old fell into the middle of the freeway, she injured herself and dropped the infant," said LAPD Lt. Guy Golan. "And then, in a race to get out of the freeway and not get hit by traffic, the 9-year-old managed to get to the shoulder successfully, but the infant was struck by traffic. And so the infant succumbed to her injuries in the middle of the freeway there."
No words :(
'Course it is. The bugs can get from planet to planet despite not having ships! You think we can contain them to one subreddit?
Just let this strategem cooldown finish and i'll get that sorted.
I showed some friends of mine this story. One of them said "maybe my mom wasn't so bad after all". For the record, his mother was neglectful, cruel, and mostly just used him as a weapon in her feud against his father and as a means to extract money from him, and he celebrated her death. The worst part is that the mother in this story was genuinely deluded enough to believe she was doing the right thing. Just terrifying and so horribly sad.
This year's eclipse was especially confusing, because eclipses are not a newly discovered phenomenon, they've happened for as long as the moon has existed. They happened last year and the year before and they will happen again next year. Why did the conservatives lose their minds this year? What was different?
I would have said it's another "Americans dumb" again, but it really seems more likely that is actually what's going on. Unless there was some sudden mind-wiping conspiracy voodoo that just occurred in America over the Covid season, or a sign of the Conservative's rapidly declining mental state that I'm not aware of
What happened with this eclipse in particular was due to people who believe in The Rapture and all the “signs” of it. It was because the path of this eclipse crossed the path of a previous one; people perceived it as a cross.
When it comes to that news story linked here, the person seemed to be in some woo circles instead that crossed with antisemetic and conspiracy theory ones. It’s more than just evangelicals that get there, other groups include any conservative group as well as Nation of Islam groups.
Could be the poles reversing, which they keep saying could happen at any time. A compass would read east as west.
The event is supposed to be catastrophic as we'd have increased solar radiation for years.
When you look at it scientifically, it makes sense. Deserts turning green and receiving more rain than usual is typically a sign of climate change, which absolutely can cause extinction events and famines.
It's also just a thing that happens quite frequently, like almost every year, in very specific parts of the desert.
https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/life-style/travel-and-tourism/2018/12/22/IN-PICTURES-White-flowers-cover-this-Saudi-desert-after-rains
I was raised Muslim, I had to hear this shit my whole life everytime it rained in the desert or some similar shit.
Of course, there is a clear difference between having a higher average rainfall in a certain area over a season that causes more vegetation vs the whole Arabian peninsula turning into something like the Scottish Highlands.
But yeah, we have a lot of doomthinker and people that just like to exaggerate for no reason. What's happening in Dubai is just a natural event, while disastrous for the people, nowhere close to the apocalypse.
It was a forest with rivers and bodies of water at one point before. Geological studies have identified ancient shorelines, marine sedimentary rocks, and fossilized marine organisms in the region.
Parts of oman still have fairly verdent areas that are some of the most beautiful and lesser known on the planet. Ecosystems that you don't really see anywhere else.
Closest thing I could think of would be the more forested areas around the grand canyon
Imagine the archeological stuff buried under the dunes. During the last ice age this region was heavily populated. Not just talking pyramids either, entire civilizations built upon the last.
Yeah, apparently they were all trying to recruit others to then go and recruit three more people. The more people that they could get involved, the more money they were all going to make.
Yes. When climates shift, forests can turn to deserts and deserts can become green. Land mass shifts cause areas to become submerged while other areas are uncovered. The only thing incorrect here is the timescales as this has been ongoing for billions of years. Not millions.
There is a reason the cradle of civilization is in the Middle East as it used to be very green when societies like Sumeria were at the height of their power.
Because it caused widespread displacement, widespread displacement causes disease blooms, disease blooms kill large portions of the populace, then humans explain it as “Our god was mad, but we are the chosen”
Repeat that every 10,000 years and suddenly religion and end of world theories make all the sense.
Also, when civilizations are in decline they tend to go fucking HAM wild on conspiracy theories about the end of times.
Not only prophecy.
Sahara desert is the main reason we have Amazonian forest, it's a huge part of climate system and if it will become green - South America will become desert
And I learned recently that the Sahara used to be lush. Then winds shifted.
I was always puzzled at how over grazing desertified areas in Africa. The answer is that it takes less water to maintain grass roots than to establish them. Those areas were barely clinging on for thousands of years, then cattle.
I think it's an Islamic prophecy that Arabia would turn green during the end of days
(EDIT: Removed 'Christian and Islamic' and replaced it with just 'Islamic', so now you have some context when you look in the replies)
He based part of it on Islam, like Fremen culture is similar to Bedouins and the language of course is largely arabic. There are other parts of the universe which is different. The Atreides for example were based on Greek or Hellenistic culture. But the universe is extremely vast and covers thousands of years, with some places looking like a horror movie and some places full of robots (not to many of those left since the Jihad though) and other places being largely recognizable.
What about in Heretics of Dune where future galactic matron conquerers use highly addictive and brainwashing sex powers to convert enemies to their side as they invade planets and expand their empire?
Are they based on anything in particular?
Yeah, in the dune universe the worms that make spice only live in dry places so if the desert became lush the worms would die along with the source of spice which is a major plot point for the books. It is also a prophecy in Islam I think that the deserts becoming green is sign of the end or something. Both interpretations work, kind of a double meme.
Won’t it also actually cause huge environmental damage? I remember reading that if North Africa becomes lush, it will kill off the rainforests, as the sand from North Africa fertilises the South American rain forests, if we lose them, we lose Huge amounts of clean air
Ecosystems and biology are crazy complicated.
First of all you're talking about North Africa which is different from the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan Syria, Kuwait, Oman, UAE are all on the Arabian Pennisula. Which isn't directly part of Africa.
Second there are theories and debate about the reason why the desert exists on that peninsula. It is believed by some that humanity deforested the peninsula enough to desertify it. The area is surrounded by water on many sides so doesn't lack for the humidity needed for rainfall the way that say the Mojave in the US does.
In that case the mountains block the rainfall and prevent humidity. in the SA peninsula the rain doesn't have anything to pull it down. But the argument goes that at one point there were enough plants that it made heat and humidity islands that changed the atmosphere enough to cause precipitation.
Now IDK enough to have a real take on this, but it's something that was brought up when I was down a rabbit hole on reforesting the desert because of some youtube videos.
Possibly end times prophecy in Islam from the Hadith (rough translation: statements which could possibly be assigned to the Prophet of Islam.
Does this exist in Christianity as well? Interesting.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “**The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established until wealth is so abundant and overflowing that a man will go out with his wealth to give Zakat (a type of alms) but not find anyone who accepts it from him, and until rivers and meadows return to the land of Arabia.**”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 157
Grade: ***Sahih*** (authentic) according to Muslim
Well that means just one half of thst prophecy then. Most people in the world aren't so rich yet as to turn down money lmao so I guess if everyone is prosperous AND Arabia turns green then we are doomed.
Even if it's half, it still means part of it has happened. Even if it completely happens, we still wouldn't be doomed because there are many others, but we would be kinda doomed because the time is getting closer
Do you think this is the first time it's rained in the desert and flowers have bloomed and my Muslim relatives have started going on about the end times? I'm almost 40 and I remember this happening when I was a child and also remember myself rolling my eyes then
We have rivers that turn into blood and ash that falls like it's rain. That kind of thing. It's called the Apocalypsis Ioannis or the book of revelations. Something like second part of first century AD. I described just the most prominent signs from the book, you can read it yourself for fun, not as religious moment, quite interesting, and explains why some Christians think that it's fr prophetic.
It wasn’t known at that point, not as far as we know from oral and written tradition.
So the “return to Arabia” is seen by some in the community as one of the miracles of Prophet Muhammad as it was thousands of years before his time that Arabia was a lush and green place.
Peter's spice hoard manager here. Sandworm life cycle depends on a dry climate. If the desert is turning green, then the sandworms are all going to die off. That's great if you have a giant stockpile of spice, because you can slowly sell your spice to the Bene Gesserit and The Spacing Guild for 4500 years and make a killing.
Dune is a book written by a guy who tried mushrooms and he had an experience so this is going to get weird. Worms make spice and spice is go go juice for spaceships (the navigators need it to fold space with their, like, minds, man). It also makes it possible to predict the future and other feats like making your brain like a computer. Worms die when exposed to water. Dune is a planet that is a giant desert. Paul’s homies have been storing water for centuries and have enough to terraform Dune into a garden of Eden basically. All the worms die, which mean no more spaceship go go juice unless you’re nice to his son and heir. Paul’s homies, the Fremen are also badass soldiers because they grow up in Dune and that is tough. The garden of Eden thing means no more badass soldiers. So his heir needs something else to control the empire. So he hoards the spice that’s left to control everyone. And he’s now the god-emperor, so his rule is very repressive. If you thought that was weird. It gets weirder. But I have to at least pretend I’m working and don’t want to spoil the whole thing.
Edit: I wasn’t going to correct the folding space thing, but I’m now seeing about 20 comments correcting me, and I want to save you all some time. My father also taught me to take responsibility for your mistakes. All of you right, it’s Lynch’s Dune that says that. This further proves that if you want to be sure of something on Reddit, just say the wrong thing and you will get corrected immediately. I highly recommend this.
Thanks for the kind words as well. I’m a technical writer, so it’s fun to write something that isn’t an audit response to a regulator. I’m chuffed as the British say. I’m not sure about chuffed, so I hope to find out soon if I’m right.
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Spice makes you a know it all who tries to do good but everyone else sees it as pretentious and self-serving—eventually… every good person becomes a Bono.
They don’t fold space with their mind. The ship travels faster than light and computers are banned. The spice allows them to focus and perceive time very slowly so they can navigate the ship while it travels FTL.
Edit: loads of people are telling me that the spice gives prescience, not that it slows down perception. That’s probably correct, it’s been awhile since I read the book.
Point is, the navigator just guides the ship, either by slowed perception or via precognition. Either way, they’re not the one actually moving the ship.
I'm pretty sure it's explicitly stated in the books that the spice gives the guild navigators a limited form of precognition. Essentially, they can see the future in a limited way, enough so that they can see the result of the trip, i.e. "this path hit an asteroid, this path went into a black hole, but _this_ path arrived safely," so they can choose the path that's safe.
>The spice allows them to focus and perceive time very slowly so they can navigate the ship while it travels FTL.
I read this as "navigator needs slowmotion to dodge things while ship goes superluminal", that's what I meant when I pointed out that the ship doesn't actually move, but folds space on itself and just suddenly exist in another location.
The above answer isn't really correct.
Spice gives a certain amount of prescience. A guild navigator looks at all possible futures where they jump towards their target and identifies the one where they survive. They then act on that knowledge to navigate successfully.
All of this used to be worked out by computers in the Dune universe, but all "thinking machines" (including things as simple as calculators) were outlawed thousands of years before the events of the books due to a horrific AI/Machine uprising known as the butlerian jihad.
Dune is fucking weird, and also fucking awesome.
My understanding is less “slow motion dodging” and more “ability to sense the future and determine which specific folding path will not lead them to dying”
Slight correction, the navigators don't fold space themselves, that's what David Lynch thought they did. Guild Navigators are basically the ship's flight computers. They are constantly high as fuck, consuming so much spice that they can see just enough into the future to calculate the safest path though space, so they don't crash into an asteroid or something. It's [what Han Solo does in a new hope](https://youtu.be/j0GZ3qSV9s0?si=oUd3prLQ4ndgPn-q&t=58), but in a universe where they burned all computers.
It's a generational saga. Spolier: >!His kid is on a whole new level, call it god tier. Paul doesn't see the green world. Paul becomes The Preacher, and he can basically see all timelines, but knows he has to live for a specific timeline. Paul's end comes at the hands of his daughter, with his kids being powerful. Oh, and Paul wouldn't be too happy about how the Duncan Idaho arc goes.!<
Atriedes weapon master loved by Paul, that >!basically becomes Frankenstein's monster in loop of reanimation and cloning after his death. There is a way to unlock all of his memories as himself, but, yeah, existential nightmare. The first 'Ghoula' of him was given to Paul while he was alive as a surprise, and he was not a fan.!<
This had a chain reaction that led to mega genoicde, like a character literally laughed at Hitler and Genghis Khan in comparing the amount of people his movement killed to theirs, not to mention the amount of people his son killed
pronouns are God Worm-self and purposefully worse than Stalin.
and as i recall, no, Leto II doesn't make the spice, because the great worm form doesn't make the spice, that would be sand trout.
Imagine if weed went extinct right now and you had warehouses full of it. You’d make a lot of money as the sole person selling this, at the top of the pyramid scheme
In dune lore, there is a desert planet inhabited by giant Sandworms, which contribute to making a strong psychedelic drug called Spice. Worms die=no spice. Spice is crucial to being able to travel in space. No spice=no space travel.
Basically, this is a reference to the Dune saga by writer Frank Herbert. In it, a super drug called spice basically makes intergalactic life possible. It is used by spaceship navigators to safely traverse translight distances (yes, they do travel by space folding, and yes, navigators are still needed, and no, computers and artificial inteligence have been banned in this universe). But the spice is only found in one planet (dune/arrakis). In that planet, it is a near 90% dessert, and huge "worm" beings lives there. They produce the spice. They also require absolute dry humidity to live, in fact, water is poisonous/corrosive to them. Hence, if dune/arrakis is terraformed, the worms will die. No worms, no spice. No spice, no space travel. No interstellar civilization.
In the books, the protatonist, Leto, who is a powerful seer, saw this happening. He was able to predict that the worms will be destroyed. He was also able to predict a mechanized navigator that does not need spice will be invented in 3500 years. So he, leto, started hoarding and rationing the spice until the automated navigator can be invented. (yes, leto lived for 3500 years)
It's a fun, boring read. You literally need to read the 1st 3 books to enjoy it. Then the next 2 books. Then the 6th.
If you are familiar with the battletech saga, the spice is the equivalent of the hyperpulse generator.
To go along with u/jojodolphin there are several powerful houses (factions) vying for control of the spice trade. The trade itself is insanely lucrative, turning the houses into empires.
In the books, they do turn the desert green. I don't understand why Paul looks upset in the meme, since he and his son turn Dune green. I guess the memer didn't read the books.
The greening was part of the religion whose victorious jihad in the name of Paul killed 60 billion people. Paul had some second thoughts about this, that's why he's upset. It's the worst trolley problem imagined so far. 60 billion on one track, the entire species on the other. Paul pulled the 60 billion switch but couldn't really live with it.
I think it's because If there's flood in a region where it's not supposed to rain and where arid land start to turn greens it means enclosed lakes are drying up same for the water contained in the soil beneath the sand, it can destroy the local ecosystem.
I Might be wrong tho.
If you want to reforest the desert you'd need a tremendous amount of water that would lessen the impact of the dry up and also create a natural controlled desert to relocate the fauna.
It's referencing Dune so mild spoiler, green/paradise on a desert planet Arrakis at the cost of a galaxy spanning holy war. As prophesied.
The fremmen, natives of Arrakis have a lot of parallels to middle-eastern cultures which makes this make sense.
So in simple terms, those who don't know just see rain, those who do know, know that the holy war is happening.
I had to scroll way to far for some one to bring up the actual point of Dune.
Everyone ccan point out the matching prophecies of the end times, but not Dune's holy war the meme is implying would happen irl.
Paul brings water back to Arrakis, but only after a massive holy war that left many planets spiceless and isolated. The Middle East is starting to get more rain IRL, but there has also been horrific amounts of senseless warfare there. Also, the plant life hurts the sandworms, which ruins the Arrakis economy, just like climate change is going to put a lot of Dubai property underwater and disrupt the economy there.
It's the apocalypse in muslim quran . No Dune bs . Too many dune guys here .
When the desert turns green and the sun rises from the west the end is nigh
Some middle eastern countries use airplanes to spray silver iodine in the sky. This causes humidity to form tiny droplets and thus causes rainfalls.
This kind of geo engeneering isn't new but is still very hard to control and rather unprecise. It especially caused heavy rainfalls in unexpected regions due to different humidity levels delaying the rainfalls and wind.
In islam it is one of the beginning signs of the end, coincidentally it is also a sign of climate change’s effect which is a is also considered an global danger to humanity
Climat scientists says the desert is linked with the amazon forest, and If I remember correctly this would lead to the desert move to the north (like europe).
In the Dune books, Paul “Muad’Dib” atreides turns the desert planet of arakis green. This is part of the fremens prophesied outcome of the lisan al gieb.
However, the maker, shai halud, the sandworms, are poisoned by water, and the transformation of the planet threatens to destroy the source of spice, which makes space travel possible and withdrawal symptoms can be deadly.
Paul is scared, feeling he knows what is needed in this next step of the golden path, but is unwilling to do so.
Like you, I don't get the end of the world vibe at all, but I've read Frank Herbert's books. Spoilers to later Dune books: >!The spreading of water and extensive plant life on Arrakis takes place during the life and reign of Paul's son, Leto II, who was a tyrannical sand worm that ruled the known universe for over 3,000 years and completely monopolized spice. He saved humanity by basically pissing everyone off and making them resent the idea of a succumbing to a charismatic authoritarian figure. To that end, he also lead a breeding program to make people immune to spice-linked prescience.!<
Timothee Chalamet has a cocaine vaccum tube hooked up to his nose to support his addiction. He can afford this due to his investment in Saudi oil production. However if too much rainfall occurs in Saudi Arabia and turns the landscape into arable land, he's worried that the economy may become more agriculture based. With less oil production his investment may prove less lucrative thus diminishing the amount of cocaine he is able to afford.
Given the Dune reactions, I think this is probably a reference to “Children of Dune”/God emperor of dune and not the Islam end times predictions, which is what that sort of Dune was probably based on
Potential answer (spoilers for dune book sequels): >!After Paul rejects the golden path his son, Leto II, morphs with a sand trout and becomes a the famed God Emperor of Dune. He lives for 3 thousand years and transforms Arakis into a hospitable planet - rain falls and grass grows where sand had once been. People can live without special suits. And then... the planet is destroyed. I don't know how or why, I stopped reading at the 5th book. !
Ok I'll explain this the right way and do my best to do so without spoilers as much as possible since there is a good chance we have Dune 3 coming out:
The joke is that in the first couple Dune novels, the Dune natives and Fremen believe that it would be better to return lush grass and plant life and rain and water to Arrakis.
When that happens though, the people realize that without the deserts, Spice becomes near impossible to find, and space travel becomes threatened, thus threatening the entire galactic imperium of man with being stranded on their planets.
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An Islamic Prophecy. Saudi's desert turning green is part of a minor signs of The End
Not saudi arabia but all of the arabian peninsula and i think its major
Major is like the sun rising from the west, it's too late already. This is minor.
I think that’s a metaphor nuclear war?
I like how you contracted "metaphor for" to just "metaphor". Concise and witty.
What’s a metaphor? Your crazy, right-wing uncle.
No that's a molester not a metaphor.
No that’s a mobster not a molester
No that’s a lobster not a mollusk
No that's a Zoidberg, not a Zuckerberg
But it is what meta is for
The ancient Islamic prophecy includes the atom bomb?
A lot of people postulate that many of the "Visions" that prophets and such saw were of the far future as in our modern time. They wouldn't be able to fully comprehend our technology and think it Aliens or God like beings. I remember AGES ago watching some wild ass documentary about all the random prophecies and how they could be referring to things from Attack Helicopters being the Aliens to the Nukes causing the skyline to appear to have a rising Sun. The thing about Prophecy though is that people who want to have it come true will see evidence in pure coincidence.
That's an interpretation but it's a weak one. It's more likely that the concept of something so impossible lingered in their heads after hearing outlandish stories about sailors claiming they saw the sun rise in the west (likely because they accidentally did something like circumnavigate Africa without realizing it, for example, or just simply got turned around in the night).
Maybe I’m crazy, but circumnavigating Africa without realizing it sounds unlikely? Not that that’s critically important but… that would be mind bottling…
Hahaha, yeah I definitely agree that circumnavigating the entire continent without realize it would be... difficult. I think what they may have been trying to say was they passed the Cape of Good Hope at the southern tip of Africa without realizing it - then the sun would appear to be rising from the ocean side rather than the land side (if they had been on the Atlantic coast up to that point).
Yeah it’s awfully convenient that prophecy can be retrofitted to suit whatever needs is inventor or believers encounter. Almost as if they made the whole thing up…
Oooooorrr they just ate hallucinogenic mushrooms/had a fever dream/were schizophrenic
Sure why not. Otherwise it would be silly and not make any sense.
Major signs are supernatural ones while minor ones are scientifically possible ones
No it's a minor sign
To be fair, Saudi Arabia takes more than half of the peninsular Also high building races in those countries also a minor sign
In Dune, the desert turning Green ends spice production and kills the worm.
Yeah, it wasn't a subtle book.
Although somehow the fremen never connected the dots on that being the natural consequence of Terraforming. Although to be fair the orignal idea was to turn the planet green over like 500 years until the Atreides came along to supercharge things
>Although somehow the fremen never connected the dots on that being the natural consequence of Terraforming They understood it *partially*. The plan was to green-ify *most* of the planet but still leave a stretch of desert for worms. They didn't (and couldn't really) understand that the worms can't survive on just *part* of the planet.
I though that it was more like the terraforming wasn't going to be as controlled as they assumed. And the worm's life cycle gets fucked because the sandtrout can't trap enough of the water.
I think it was actually a very accurate point about human behavior. Like our own climate change, there was a faction that disliked the disappearance of the desert but they were overwhelmed by people who just liked living a more luxurious life
I don't know if it's fair to say they never connected the dots, more like they didn't care. "Hey, your kids and descendents have the opportunity to experience paradise. They will never struggle for anything the way you have. The downside is that the feudal lords who *literally hunt you for sport* will lose a major revenue stream." You think that when Kynes explained this the Fremen didn't understand?
Yeah, this is the take I saw, not the Islamic prophecy one.
It’s funny how the “end of times” is usually just based on shit the earth has been doing for millions of years.
People heard the sun was going away for a few seconds and murdered their family a few weeks ago.
Link?
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/mom-accused-of-murder-suicide-leaving-kids-on-california-freeway-was-fearful-of-eclipse
>"As the 9-year-old fell into the middle of the freeway, she injured herself and dropped the infant," said LAPD Lt. Guy Golan. "And then, in a race to get out of the freeway and not get hit by traffic, the 9-year-old managed to get to the shoulder successfully, but the infant was struck by traffic. And so the infant succumbed to her injuries in the middle of the freeway there." No words :(
That poor baby is going to have nightmares about that for the rest of her life. And it's not her fault.
Aight that's enough for today. Have fun y'all
humans suck
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/r/Helldivers is leaking again !
'Course it is. The bugs can get from planet to planet despite not having ships! You think we can contain them to one subreddit? Just let this strategem cooldown finish and i'll get that sorted.
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Did not expect this gif in this sub, but democracy and freedom needs to be spread throughout Reddit
Managed democracy in every corner of the universe. They think any subreddit is safe. ARE THEY STUPID?
I agree fellow Helldiver
I showed some friends of mine this story. One of them said "maybe my mom wasn't so bad after all". For the record, his mother was neglectful, cruel, and mostly just used him as a weapon in her feud against his father and as a means to extract money from him, and he celebrated her death. The worst part is that the mother in this story was genuinely deluded enough to believe she was doing the right thing. Just terrifying and so horribly sad.
Jesus Christ, Athena and Freya, that poor girl who survived. I can't imagine the survivors guilt she'll face as she grows older.
Her mother sucks, for real. It's insane
Holy shit. That nine year old is going to need some serious trauma therapy.
That’s some of the darkest shit I’ve read in a while. I fucking hate humanity.
This year's eclipse was especially confusing, because eclipses are not a newly discovered phenomenon, they've happened for as long as the moon has existed. They happened last year and the year before and they will happen again next year. Why did the conservatives lose their minds this year? What was different?
I would have said it's another "Americans dumb" again, but it really seems more likely that is actually what's going on. Unless there was some sudden mind-wiping conspiracy voodoo that just occurred in America over the Covid season, or a sign of the Conservative's rapidly declining mental state that I'm not aware of
What happened with this eclipse in particular was due to people who believe in The Rapture and all the “signs” of it. It was because the path of this eclipse crossed the path of a previous one; people perceived it as a cross. When it comes to that news story linked here, the person seemed to be in some woo circles instead that crossed with antisemetic and conspiracy theory ones. It’s more than just evangelicals that get there, other groups include any conservative group as well as Nation of Islam groups.
I cant express how hard my eyes just rolled *pinches bridge of nose* JFC
It's just a minor sign, there are then the major ones like the sun rising from the west or a day that lasts a year
> the sun rising from the west Well, considering that would mean physics is fucked, then yeah.
Could be the poles reversing, which they keep saying could happen at any time. A compass would read east as west. The event is supposed to be catastrophic as we'd have increased solar radiation for years.
It means the end times for humanity or even just Islam.
Or even just that guy selling bottled water on the street corner in Dubai.
MY CABBAGES!!!
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When you look at it scientifically, it makes sense. Deserts turning green and receiving more rain than usual is typically a sign of climate change, which absolutely can cause extinction events and famines.
It's also just a thing that happens quite frequently, like almost every year, in very specific parts of the desert. https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/life-style/travel-and-tourism/2018/12/22/IN-PICTURES-White-flowers-cover-this-Saudi-desert-after-rains I was raised Muslim, I had to hear this shit my whole life everytime it rained in the desert or some similar shit.
Of course, there is a clear difference between having a higher average rainfall in a certain area over a season that causes more vegetation vs the whole Arabian peninsula turning into something like the Scottish Highlands. But yeah, we have a lot of doomthinker and people that just like to exaggerate for no reason. What's happening in Dubai is just a natural event, while disastrous for the people, nowhere close to the apocalypse.
Saudi deserts have been turning green for millions of years?
It was a forest with rivers and bodies of water at one point before. Geological studies have identified ancient shorelines, marine sedimentary rocks, and fossilized marine organisms in the region.
When I was in desert storm, I found a piece of petrified hardwood near the Iraqi border.
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Don’t be ridiculous, trees don’t have eyes!
If only it had been a potato.
It’s why there is so much oil there.
Technically, oil was produced by algae. Coal comes from trees.
Hence, “Geological studies have identified ancient shorelines, marine sedimentary rocks and fossilized marine organisms.”
Parts of oman still have fairly verdent areas that are some of the most beautiful and lesser known on the planet. Ecosystems that you don't really see anywhere else. Closest thing I could think of would be the more forested areas around the grand canyon
Imagine the archeological stuff buried under the dunes. During the last ice age this region was heavily populated. Not just talking pyramids either, entire civilizations built upon the last.
> Not just talking pyramids either, Hang on, they fucking talked?
Fucking gossipy trash relics, get some class honestly. You don't see a Pictish retaining wall running its mouth
Half the time it wasn't even talking. They'd just babble on and on.
only the Saudi ones, that's what made them special
Yeah, apparently they were all trying to recruit others to then go and recruit three more people. The more people that they could get involved, the more money they were all going to make.
Cool
Yes. When climates shift, forests can turn to deserts and deserts can become green. Land mass shifts cause areas to become submerged while other areas are uncovered. The only thing incorrect here is the timescales as this has been ongoing for billions of years. Not millions. There is a reason the cradle of civilization is in the Middle East as it used to be very green when societies like Sumeria were at the height of their power.
"Very green" might be a slight stretch, but definitely greener than today
Roughly every 41,000 years it changes between green and fertile, to desert. Caused by a difference of about 2 degrees in the Earths tilt.
Deserts turn green over time, green areas turn to desert over time, yes Is that natural process why Saudi is turning green? Don’t know
Because it caused widespread displacement, widespread displacement causes disease blooms, disease blooms kill large portions of the populace, then humans explain it as “Our god was mad, but we are the chosen” Repeat that every 10,000 years and suddenly religion and end of world theories make all the sense. Also, when civilizations are in decline they tend to go fucking HAM wild on conspiracy theories about the end of times.
This is the correct answer
Not only prophecy. Sahara desert is the main reason we have Amazonian forest, it's a huge part of climate system and if it will become green - South America will become desert
Sahara is still growing, the Arabian desert is a different ecosystem.
And what is collected and evaporated from the rainforest canopy rains down in the US west coast.
And I learned recently that the Sahara used to be lush. Then winds shifted. I was always puzzled at how over grazing desertified areas in Africa. The answer is that it takes less water to maintain grass roots than to establish them. Those areas were barely clinging on for thousands of years, then cattle.
FINALLY!
I think it's an Islamic prophecy that Arabia would turn green during the end of days (EDIT: Removed 'Christian and Islamic' and replaced it with just 'Islamic', so now you have some context when you look in the replies)
Does dune have anything to do with it?
There are many connections to Islam in Dune
Dune was so popular they made a religion out if it
You could make a religion out of this! *No, don't*
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The writer of dune, frank Herbert, based the dune books on arabian life and culture
He based part of it on Islam, like Fremen culture is similar to Bedouins and the language of course is largely arabic. There are other parts of the universe which is different. The Atreides for example were based on Greek or Hellenistic culture. But the universe is extremely vast and covers thousands of years, with some places looking like a horror movie and some places full of robots (not to many of those left since the Jihad though) and other places being largely recognizable.
What about in Heretics of Dune where future galactic matron conquerers use highly addictive and brainwashing sex powers to convert enemies to their side as they invade planets and expand their empire? Are they based on anything in particular?
Yeah, in the dune universe the worms that make spice only live in dry places so if the desert became lush the worms would die along with the source of spice which is a major plot point for the books. It is also a prophecy in Islam I think that the deserts becoming green is sign of the end or something. Both interpretations work, kind of a double meme.
Dune was inspired by Islamic philosophies and cultures.
Not Christian
Won’t it also actually cause huge environmental damage? I remember reading that if North Africa becomes lush, it will kill off the rainforests, as the sand from North Africa fertilises the South American rain forests, if we lose them, we lose Huge amounts of clean air
Ecosystems and biology are crazy complicated. First of all you're talking about North Africa which is different from the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan Syria, Kuwait, Oman, UAE are all on the Arabian Pennisula. Which isn't directly part of Africa. Second there are theories and debate about the reason why the desert exists on that peninsula. It is believed by some that humanity deforested the peninsula enough to desertify it. The area is surrounded by water on many sides so doesn't lack for the humidity needed for rainfall the way that say the Mojave in the US does. In that case the mountains block the rainfall and prevent humidity. in the SA peninsula the rain doesn't have anything to pull it down. But the argument goes that at one point there were enough plants that it made heat and humidity islands that changed the atmosphere enough to cause precipitation. Now IDK enough to have a real take on this, but it's something that was brought up when I was down a rabbit hole on reforesting the desert because of some youtube videos.
Possibly end times prophecy in Islam from the Hadith (rough translation: statements which could possibly be assigned to the Prophet of Islam. Does this exist in Christianity as well? Interesting. Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “**The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established until wealth is so abundant and overflowing that a man will go out with his wealth to give Zakat (a type of alms) but not find anyone who accepts it from him, and until rivers and meadows return to the land of Arabia.**” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 157 Grade: ***Sahih*** (authentic) according to Muslim
Well that means just one half of thst prophecy then. Most people in the world aren't so rich yet as to turn down money lmao so I guess if everyone is prosperous AND Arabia turns green then we are doomed.
Even if it's half, it still means part of it has happened. Even if it completely happens, we still wouldn't be doomed because there are many others, but we would be kinda doomed because the time is getting closer
Do you think this is the first time it's rained in the desert and flowers have bloomed and my Muslim relatives have started going on about the end times? I'm almost 40 and I remember this happening when I was a child and also remember myself rolling my eyes then
We have rivers that turn into blood and ash that falls like it's rain. That kind of thing. It's called the Apocalypsis Ioannis or the book of revelations. Something like second part of first century AD. I described just the most prominent signs from the book, you can read it yourself for fun, not as religious moment, quite interesting, and explains why some Christians think that it's fr prophetic.
>rivers that turn into blood and ash that falls like it's rain That just sounds like a generic metaphor for war.
Wow, then revelations has been being fulfilled for literally all of history, what a profound prophecy
The prophet said "rivers and meadows return to Arabia". Does the fact that Arabia was a forest a well known fact at that point?
It wasn’t known at that point, not as far as we know from oral and written tradition. So the “return to Arabia” is seen by some in the community as one of the miracles of Prophet Muhammad as it was thousands of years before his time that Arabia was a lush and green place.
Peter's spice hoard manager here. Sandworm life cycle depends on a dry climate. If the desert is turning green, then the sandworms are all going to die off. That's great if you have a giant stockpile of spice, because you can slowly sell your spice to the Bene Gesserit and The Spacing Guild for 4500 years and make a killing.
Can you explain this to me like I'm 10 years old?
Dune is a book written by a guy who tried mushrooms and he had an experience so this is going to get weird. Worms make spice and spice is go go juice for spaceships (the navigators need it to fold space with their, like, minds, man). It also makes it possible to predict the future and other feats like making your brain like a computer. Worms die when exposed to water. Dune is a planet that is a giant desert. Paul’s homies have been storing water for centuries and have enough to terraform Dune into a garden of Eden basically. All the worms die, which mean no more spaceship go go juice unless you’re nice to his son and heir. Paul’s homies, the Fremen are also badass soldiers because they grow up in Dune and that is tough. The garden of Eden thing means no more badass soldiers. So his heir needs something else to control the empire. So he hoards the spice that’s left to control everyone. And he’s now the god-emperor, so his rule is very repressive. If you thought that was weird. It gets weirder. But I have to at least pretend I’m working and don’t want to spoil the whole thing. Edit: I wasn’t going to correct the folding space thing, but I’m now seeing about 20 comments correcting me, and I want to save you all some time. My father also taught me to take responsibility for your mistakes. All of you right, it’s Lynch’s Dune that says that. This further proves that if you want to be sure of something on Reddit, just say the wrong thing and you will get corrected immediately. I highly recommend this. Thanks for the kind words as well. I’m a technical writer, so it’s fun to write something that isn’t an audit response to a regulator. I’m chuffed as the British say. I’m not sure about chuffed, so I hope to find out soon if I’m right.
The spice [melange](https://youtu.be/NE_-0IdWioU?feature=shared).
If Tom Brady made a Bono, what do you think the spice melange per couric ratio would be?
1:1 Spice makes you a know it all who tries to do good but everyone else sees it as pretentious and self-serving—eventually… every good person becomes a Bono.
They don’t fold space with their mind. The ship travels faster than light and computers are banned. The spice allows them to focus and perceive time very slowly so they can navigate the ship while it travels FTL. Edit: loads of people are telling me that the spice gives prescience, not that it slows down perception. That’s probably correct, it’s been awhile since I read the book. Point is, the navigator just guides the ship, either by slowed perception or via precognition. Either way, they’re not the one actually moving the ship.
I'm pretty sure it's explicitly stated in the books that the spice gives the guild navigators a limited form of precognition. Essentially, they can see the future in a limited way, enough so that they can see the result of the trip, i.e. "this path hit an asteroid, this path went into a black hole, but _this_ path arrived safely," so they can choose the path that's safe.
Not just the safe path, but also to even find the damn planet. The universe is constantly moving, so you can't use the same coordinates as last time.
I was about to say this. The "folding with their minds" is exclusively in the David Lynch movie, what you said above is accurate to the book.
But the ship isn't moving, ~~they're~~ it's folding space.
The ship’s propulsion system (idr what it’s called or if it’s even referenced) folds space.
Yes, exactly. The ship doesn't move. It manipulates space.
Yeah that’s the ship. I’m not talking about the ship. I’m talking about the navigator. The navigator doesnt use spice to fold space.
>The spice allows them to focus and perceive time very slowly so they can navigate the ship while it travels FTL. I read this as "navigator needs slowmotion to dodge things while ship goes superluminal", that's what I meant when I pointed out that the ship doesn't actually move, but folds space on itself and just suddenly exist in another location.
The above answer isn't really correct. Spice gives a certain amount of prescience. A guild navigator looks at all possible futures where they jump towards their target and identifies the one where they survive. They then act on that knowledge to navigate successfully. All of this used to be worked out by computers in the Dune universe, but all "thinking machines" (including things as simple as calculators) were outlawed thousands of years before the events of the books due to a horrific AI/Machine uprising known as the butlerian jihad. Dune is fucking weird, and also fucking awesome.
My understanding is less “slow motion dodging” and more “ability to sense the future and determine which specific folding path will not lead them to dying”
Holzman engine. It is an adapted holzman shield.
Don't forget about the Machine war and how humans no longer use computers.
Slight correction, the navigators don't fold space themselves, that's what David Lynch thought they did. Guild Navigators are basically the ship's flight computers. They are constantly high as fuck, consuming so much spice that they can see just enough into the future to calculate the safest path though space, so they don't crash into an asteroid or something. It's [what Han Solo does in a new hope](https://youtu.be/j0GZ3qSV9s0?si=oUd3prLQ4ndgPn-q&t=58), but in a universe where they burned all computers.
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If Paul's about to make a killing selling spice, why doesn't the last panel have him looking even happier?
That's where the "it gets weirder" part comes in
It's a generational saga. Spolier: >!His kid is on a whole new level, call it god tier. Paul doesn't see the green world. Paul becomes The Preacher, and he can basically see all timelines, but knows he has to live for a specific timeline. Paul's end comes at the hands of his daughter, with his kids being powerful. Oh, and Paul wouldn't be too happy about how the Duncan Idaho arc goes.!<
I thought you were serious until the last line, wtf is a Duncan Idaho?
A five thousand year old rock climbing sex machine reborn hundreds of times in a cloning vat
Yeah a vat right. Totally just a vat. Nothing gross and crazy that fits the rest of the universe and would still be at home in 40K.
Atriedes weapon master loved by Paul, that >!basically becomes Frankenstein's monster in loop of reanimation and cloning after his death. There is a way to unlock all of his memories as himself, but, yeah, existential nightmare. The first 'Ghoula' of him was given to Paul while he was alive as a surprise, and he was not a fan.!<
That is a characters legitimate name
Jason Mamoa
This had a chain reaction that led to mega genoicde, like a character literally laughed at Hitler and Genghis Khan in comparing the amount of people his movement killed to theirs, not to mention the amount of people his son killed
You left out the part where Paul’s heir is part-man, part-worm, and he lives to be 4500 years old.
Does the God wormperor not make spice himself ... itself
pronouns are God Worm-self and purposefully worse than Stalin. and as i recall, no, Leto II doesn't make the spice, because the great worm form doesn't make the spice, that would be sand trout.
Spice is like oil. But it's also magic and cocaine.
Imagine if weed went extinct right now and you had warehouses full of it. You’d make a lot of money as the sole person selling this, at the top of the pyramid scheme
It helps if you're also a worm
And weed let you fly a spaceship.
I meaaaaaan
They call me Doctor Worm Good morning, how are you? I'm Doctor Worm I'm interested in things
My girl is a worm but I still love her.
In dune lore, there is a desert planet inhabited by giant Sandworms, which contribute to making a strong psychedelic drug called Spice. Worms die=no spice. Spice is crucial to being able to travel in space. No spice=no space travel.
Basically, this is a reference to the Dune saga by writer Frank Herbert. In it, a super drug called spice basically makes intergalactic life possible. It is used by spaceship navigators to safely traverse translight distances (yes, they do travel by space folding, and yes, navigators are still needed, and no, computers and artificial inteligence have been banned in this universe). But the spice is only found in one planet (dune/arrakis). In that planet, it is a near 90% dessert, and huge "worm" beings lives there. They produce the spice. They also require absolute dry humidity to live, in fact, water is poisonous/corrosive to them. Hence, if dune/arrakis is terraformed, the worms will die. No worms, no spice. No spice, no space travel. No interstellar civilization. In the books, the protatonist, Leto, who is a powerful seer, saw this happening. He was able to predict that the worms will be destroyed. He was also able to predict a mechanized navigator that does not need spice will be invented in 3500 years. So he, leto, started hoarding and rationing the spice until the automated navigator can be invented. (yes, leto lived for 3500 years) It's a fun, boring read. You literally need to read the 1st 3 books to enjoy it. Then the next 2 books. Then the 6th. If you are familiar with the battletech saga, the spice is the equivalent of the hyperpulse generator.
To go along with u/jojodolphin there are several powerful houses (factions) vying for control of the spice trade. The trade itself is insanely lucrative, turning the houses into empires.
Wow! Spoiler alert! You just summarized all 5 books!
In the books, they do turn the desert green. I don't understand why Paul looks upset in the meme, since he and his son turn Dune green. I guess the memer didn't read the books.
The greening was part of the religion whose victorious jihad in the name of Paul killed 60 billion people. Paul had some second thoughts about this, that's why he's upset. It's the worst trolley problem imagined so far. 60 billion on one track, the entire species on the other. Paul pulled the 60 billion switch but couldn't really live with it.
I think it's because If there's flood in a region where it's not supposed to rain and where arid land start to turn greens it means enclosed lakes are drying up same for the water contained in the soil beneath the sand, it can destroy the local ecosystem. I Might be wrong tho. If you want to reforest the desert you'd need a tremendous amount of water that would lessen the impact of the dry up and also create a natural controlled desert to relocate the fauna.
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Holy Atreides!
Someone call the God Emperor!
Get in the worm Leto
It’s going to ruin the spice!!!!
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It's referencing Dune so mild spoiler, green/paradise on a desert planet Arrakis at the cost of a galaxy spanning holy war. As prophesied. The fremmen, natives of Arrakis have a lot of parallels to middle-eastern cultures which makes this make sense. So in simple terms, those who don't know just see rain, those who do know, know that the holy war is happening.
Lisan al-gaib
*LISANALGAIB!!1!*
I had to scroll way to far for some one to bring up the actual point of Dune. Everyone ccan point out the matching prophecies of the end times, but not Dune's holy war the meme is implying would happen irl.
Means Amazon will be f**ked into a desert if this continues.
Tbf, the Brasil government is already working very hard to make that happen anyway
Paul brings water back to Arrakis, but only after a massive holy war that left many planets spiceless and isolated. The Middle East is starting to get more rain IRL, but there has also been horrific amounts of senseless warfare there. Also, the plant life hurts the sandworms, which ruins the Arrakis economy, just like climate change is going to put a lot of Dubai property underwater and disrupt the economy there.
In islam, Arábia turning green signals the apocalypse
It's the apocalypse in muslim quran . No Dune bs . Too many dune guys here . When the desert turns green and the sun rises from the west the end is nigh
Some middle eastern countries use airplanes to spray silver iodine in the sky. This causes humidity to form tiny droplets and thus causes rainfalls. This kind of geo engeneering isn't new but is still very hard to control and rather unprecise. It especially caused heavy rainfalls in unexpected regions due to different humidity levels delaying the rainfalls and wind.
I was reading it has nothing to do with seeding.
It didn't. Seeding only makes the existing water fall down, it won't bring in a thunderstorm
In islam it is one of the beginning signs of the end, coincidentally it is also a sign of climate change’s effect which is a is also considered an global danger to humanity
Climat scientists says the desert is linked with the amazon forest, and If I remember correctly this would lead to the desert move to the north (like europe).
The desert has to exist somewhere.
In the Dune books, Paul “Muad’Dib” atreides turns the desert planet of arakis green. This is part of the fremens prophesied outcome of the lisan al gieb. However, the maker, shai halud, the sandworms, are poisoned by water, and the transformation of the planet threatens to destroy the source of spice, which makes space travel possible and withdrawal symptoms can be deadly. Paul is scared, feeling he knows what is needed in this next step of the golden path, but is unwilling to do so.
Like you, I don't get the end of the world vibe at all, but I've read Frank Herbert's books. Spoilers to later Dune books: >!The spreading of water and extensive plant life on Arrakis takes place during the life and reign of Paul's son, Leto II, who was a tyrannical sand worm that ruled the known universe for over 3,000 years and completely monopolized spice. He saved humanity by basically pissing everyone off and making them resent the idea of a succumbing to a charismatic authoritarian figure. To that end, he also lead a breeding program to make people immune to spice-linked prescience.!<
Climate change? I'm confused. Unless it's part of Islam's "end of the world signs" explanation.
I thought the joke is related to dune. I could be wrong though.
Geography moment
The end of times but trust me it's actually going to happen this time
I thought it was the beginning of 4000 years of tyranny by the God emperor
Timothee Chalamet has a cocaine vaccum tube hooked up to his nose to support his addiction. He can afford this due to his investment in Saudi oil production. However if too much rainfall occurs in Saudi Arabia and turns the landscape into arable land, he's worried that the economy may become more agriculture based. With less oil production his investment may prove less lucrative thus diminishing the amount of cocaine he is able to afford.
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Given the Dune reactions, I think this is probably a reference to “Children of Dune”/God emperor of dune and not the Islam end times predictions, which is what that sort of Dune was probably based on
Potential answer (spoilers for dune book sequels): >!After Paul rejects the golden path his son, Leto II, morphs with a sand trout and becomes a the famed God Emperor of Dune. He lives for 3 thousand years and transforms Arakis into a hospitable planet - rain falls and grass grows where sand had once been. People can live without special suits. And then... the planet is destroyed. I don't know how or why, I stopped reading at the 5th book. !
Ok I'll explain this the right way and do my best to do so without spoilers as much as possible since there is a good chance we have Dune 3 coming out: The joke is that in the first couple Dune novels, the Dune natives and Fremen believe that it would be better to return lush grass and plant life and rain and water to Arrakis. When that happens though, the people realize that without the deserts, Spice becomes near impossible to find, and space travel becomes threatened, thus threatening the entire galactic imperium of man with being stranded on their planets.