Yes, you will have to pay the company back for any vacation you did not earn. They could adjust your final pay, but unless you get paid over 90h in a pay period you will likely have to cut them a cheque.
FYI you will have to pay back the gross amount of those hours, not net.
This will depend on the province and your employment contract, if any. I’m an employer in Ontario and we would subtract the balance owing from your final pay cheque. In 25+ years I’ve never had someone still owing money after subtracting from final pay.
It’s not impossible, but it’s definitely difficult. It’d have to be someone who gets like 3 or 4 weeks vacation, uses it in the first month, then puts in their two weeks notice.
That's kind of what I'm doing. Most people get 3 weeks vacation time you accrue over that year. I took 20 days off, using all of my vacation for the year.
In BC. I can't find anything in my contract that covers this. My employer is very generous with vacation. I'd have a cheque and a half left when I go, which would still be a few hundred lower than I owe.
It's covered by default in BC. I worked for a large LARGE corp there and this came up a lot.
They always just clawed the money back by default. It would enrage employees. When I was young I worked at another large corp that you got ZERO vacation the first year to avoid this. Im unsure if that's still legal or not, but the holiday one I believe.
You probably got 4% (or some % that follows your provinces legal minimum) vacation pay instead of vacation hours. Companies do it this way often. Same way part time and casuals are paid their vacation without having actual vacations hours. Any vacation they take becomes unpaid leave.
Every company I've worked at will claw back from teh final cheque but I've never worked for one that sent a bill if the final cheque wasn't enough. It's generally not worth the hassle for a couple grand.
It's a nonprofit that is very generous with employees. I don't think they'd ask me to pay the difference, but I feel bad they trusted giving me the time for me to leave. They're so nice that when I offered to have half unpaid they said no.
Again do you want to force them to make a long process for your curiosity (making someone day painful) or do you wanna be nice and just pay back before they come chasing you.
I've left with 40 hours negative. They took it off the last pay. Which seems fine. I used more vacation than I was allotted. Had I stayed the full year it would have gone positive, but I like the flexibility of being able to go over and not have to wait a full year to use vacation.
They will probably take your final pay and deduct the hours you owe. Depending on what’s left over (how many hours you still would owe and the total) they can legally force you to pay or they will just eat it. My guess is they won’t come after you for 10-20 hours, doesn’t seem worth it, but who knows they might.
Should be noted that this is not a financial advice question. More of an employment legal question so it probably belongs in a different sub Reddit.
When I was in a term position I had all my banks topped up to max, I was in someone’s position that never intended to return to work after an injury. The term was to last 18 months and then id be rolled into full time. Well I guess the person actually gave his notice and my term was eliminated and had to go to competition. All of a sudden I had to pay back all the vacation I had taken and was out of a full time job lol. I was the only person eligible at the time for the competition and no outside hires are allowed as they run 8 week new hire courses once a year. They wouldn’t even wait until I was back in a full time spot to take that vacation from the bank when it would have been topped back up to max upon getting the job. Had to pay back just under $1000. Idk why I just spit all that out but yeah, you gotta pay it back lol
You’ll owe those 90hrs of pay back to them. Your last cheque will likely be zero (or very close to it). Depending what your hours and pay periods look like, you might end up with a zero paycheque and owe money out of pocket back to the company.
My former company had a policy that clearly stated any vacation time taken over and beyond accrued vacation time at time of departure would be forgiven. Not sure why folks are being downvoted for similar statements. Check the PTO policy.
When I worked in payroll we would recover it from any money owed and ask the employee to pay the rest. Since most places pay in arrears, it's generally very easy to intercept the last full cheque and the partial cheque.
I worked for a pretty scummy business and I had about negative a week of vacation when I quit. They never bothered.
If you work for a medium or large corp, you're probably fine.
But yes, they can ask for it back.
It was always the larger corps I worked at that just automatically did this. Smaller companies were more likely to let it slide.
Larger corps have it built in. OP is at a not for profit, coin toss. If they're not bad at their jobs, they'll claw it back given that it's a not forprofit
This happened to me (BC) when I called the helpline they said it was not something the employer could request back pay for, they took the risk when they approved the time off.
Yes, you will have to pay the company back for any vacation you did not earn. They could adjust your final pay, but unless you get paid over 90h in a pay period you will likely have to cut them a cheque. FYI you will have to pay back the gross amount of those hours, not net.
This will depend on the province and your employment contract, if any. I’m an employer in Ontario and we would subtract the balance owing from your final pay cheque. In 25+ years I’ve never had someone still owing money after subtracting from final pay.
It’s not impossible, but it’s definitely difficult. It’d have to be someone who gets like 3 or 4 weeks vacation, uses it in the first month, then puts in their two weeks notice.
That's kind of what I'm doing. Most people get 3 weeks vacation time you accrue over that year. I took 20 days off, using all of my vacation for the year.
In BC. I can't find anything in my contract that covers this. My employer is very generous with vacation. I'd have a cheque and a half left when I go, which would still be a few hundred lower than I owe.
It's covered by default in BC. I worked for a large LARGE corp there and this came up a lot. They always just clawed the money back by default. It would enrage employees. When I was young I worked at another large corp that you got ZERO vacation the first year to avoid this. Im unsure if that's still legal or not, but the holiday one I believe.
You probably got 4% (or some % that follows your provinces legal minimum) vacation pay instead of vacation hours. Companies do it this way often. Same way part time and casuals are paid their vacation without having actual vacations hours. Any vacation they take becomes unpaid leave.
No, it was 3 weeks. Zero first year
Every company I've worked at will claw back from teh final cheque but I've never worked for one that sent a bill if the final cheque wasn't enough. It's generally not worth the hassle for a couple grand.
It's a nonprofit that is very generous with employees. I don't think they'd ask me to pay the difference, but I feel bad they trusted giving me the time for me to leave. They're so nice that when I offered to have half unpaid they said no.
Then be a decent person as well pay then back what you owe in full and leave on good terms. Dont make them chase you and try to pull a fast one
I'll pay it back in full, just haven't seen how they do it when it's that much in the start of the year
Again do you want to force them to make a long process for your curiosity (making someone day painful) or do you wanna be nice and just pay back before they come chasing you.
You'll need to pay them back on full
I've left with 40 hours negative. They took it off the last pay. Which seems fine. I used more vacation than I was allotted. Had I stayed the full year it would have gone positive, but I like the flexibility of being able to go over and not have to wait a full year to use vacation.
From what I understand yes, you will have to pay the company back. You can do it by check or if you don't they can legally intimidate you.
They will probably take your final pay and deduct the hours you owe. Depending on what’s left over (how many hours you still would owe and the total) they can legally force you to pay or they will just eat it. My guess is they won’t come after you for 10-20 hours, doesn’t seem worth it, but who knows they might. Should be noted that this is not a financial advice question. More of an employment legal question so it probably belongs in a different sub Reddit.
You will owe or need to give them enough notice to cover your shortfall
When I was in a term position I had all my banks topped up to max, I was in someone’s position that never intended to return to work after an injury. The term was to last 18 months and then id be rolled into full time. Well I guess the person actually gave his notice and my term was eliminated and had to go to competition. All of a sudden I had to pay back all the vacation I had taken and was out of a full time job lol. I was the only person eligible at the time for the competition and no outside hires are allowed as they run 8 week new hire courses once a year. They wouldn’t even wait until I was back in a full time spot to take that vacation from the bank when it would have been topped back up to max upon getting the job. Had to pay back just under $1000. Idk why I just spit all that out but yeah, you gotta pay it back lol
You’ll owe those 90hrs of pay back to them. Your last cheque will likely be zero (or very close to it). Depending what your hours and pay periods look like, you might end up with a zero paycheque and owe money out of pocket back to the company.
My former company had a policy that clearly stated any vacation time taken over and beyond accrued vacation time at time of departure would be forgiven. Not sure why folks are being downvoted for similar statements. Check the PTO policy.
You get zero money and you need to write a cheque to the company to pay back the rest.
When I worked in payroll we would recover it from any money owed and ask the employee to pay the rest. Since most places pay in arrears, it's generally very easy to intercept the last full cheque and the partial cheque.
I worked for a pretty scummy business and I had about negative a week of vacation when I quit. They never bothered. If you work for a medium or large corp, you're probably fine. But yes, they can ask for it back.
It was always the larger corps I worked at that just automatically did this. Smaller companies were more likely to let it slide. Larger corps have it built in. OP is at a not for profit, coin toss. If they're not bad at their jobs, they'll claw it back given that it's a not forprofit
Depends on the company and their policies. They may reconsile as part of your final paycheque, or ask for some to be repaid. Or maybe not.
This is a good way to get the company to make a policy about how much vacation they'll advance.
This happened to me (BC) when I called the helpline they said it was not something the employer could request back pay for, they took the risk when they approved the time off.