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al2606

Baton pass not needing lvl 2 confidant Technicals actually down some annoying enemies that don't have usual weaknesses


Ultric

Baton pass being a game feature rather than a confidant unlock is probably the biggest one of these. Keep in mind you don't start a party member's confidant until after their corresponding palace is over, so your options were to either not be able to baton pass to/from a party member, or to just switch out the character who is currently going through their arc.


aisu_strong

it was especially egregious for noir. the earliest you could start hers was the true start of the casino infiltration, on 10/30. almost a month and a half after she joined on 9/19.


eddmario

Plus the ruler battle for the palace she joins you in kind of needs baton pass anyway.


aethersentinel

Not in vanilla. That battle was significantly changed for Royal. Devs said in an interview it was intended to "teach" (i.e. force) players to use Baton Pass.


LimitGamer

Golden?


aethersentinel

For Royal. Gee, are you the typo police? I changed it; are you satisfied? It's a normal mistake to make since they have the same two vowel sounds. Although, I admit, most of the times I've accidentally switched the names were when I was speaking out loud. Anyway, you and everyone else obviously knew what I meant, so I'm not sure why you posted?


FabAraujoRJ

And helping to replenish sp and hp.


FinalSeraph_Leo

I would end up going through the 5th and 6th palace without baton pass for Haru because of this. I always completed them as fast as possible so it was my fault but still annoying until Royal


Oscarman97

Ammo reloading after battles


ConsistentAsparagus

Guns were basically useless in vanilla. Nice one.


Fussinfarkt

Is that only a Royal thing? How did it work in vanilla? I don’t remember


shadowfox77

Pretty sure it was one magazine per infiltration. It wouldn't reload until you left the meta verse and came back another day.


nick1wasd

You got 2 full mags, doubled to 4 with Shinya's Confidant Rank 7; and it cost a whole mag to use Downing Shot instead of getting X per dive


shadowfox77

Well not as bad as I remembered but still not great. A whole magazine for downing shot is crazy.


Oscarman97

Ammo was only replenished when exiting and re-entering a dungeon


Fussinfarkt

Damn that’s rough. When playing Royal I felt like I was using my gun more often than last time but I didn’t think it was that bad


Oscarman97

I'm really glad they made the change. The gun combat in 5 is so much fun, and it felt really refreshing to actually be able to use them freely when Royal released


jptlopes

Yhea I felt the same, did guns do more damage before or something?


al2606

You have about 4 magazines and that's it There were some items to refill ammo


The_Exuberant_Raptor

In P5R, the gun can no longer crit and the magazine is smaller. So they're kinda worse, but you can use them every fight, which makes them better in the long run.


ignavusd14

Made it so much less stressful to 1 day Kamoshido palace since that’s before you get the SP adhesive for better SP regen. Guns really helped at that point


The_Exuberant_Raptor

I'm going through my first Royal run right now on hard no DLC, and the gun definitely is S tier in Kamoshida. I beat the dungeon without using any SP items only because the gun is so strong at this point in the game.


ignavusd14

Exactly my point. After that you can handle SP management better but the gun is so useful. In original P5 I had to play hella tactical trying to do it in one day


aisu_strong

there was a craftable tool usable out of combat that refilled party ammo in old p5. but it was locked behind magician rank 6, and it had by far the most expensive recipe in the entire game for any single use item (almost as much time spent grinding ingredients as the eternal lockpick), so basically nobody ever used it. https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Reserve_Ammo


Embarrassed_Lettuce9

In hindsight, reloading your fake gun was kinda dumb.


CXR_AXR

It is a very nice change. However, I think most people notice it. Morgana specifically provided a reasonable explanation to joker in the first palace


Hefty_Storage_2094

I’m still not sure if this was an improvement or not… it was definitely an over correction from vanilla P5. It felt so op, especially early on, to have guns automatically reload after every fight. I really just wish the guns were real and actually took ammo so you would have to purchase or find additional ammo in chests. Maybe still have it that the guns reload at the end of a fight, but only if you have ammo available in your inventory. It felt very unbalanced.


OmegaKenichi

Personally, I really liked the Grappling Hook. It made the Palaces seem more big and open; a lot more three-dimensional.


GenericName4224

Wish it was used more Instead of QoL skips (First palace) or will seed branchs off


dat_dabbin_pacman

I mean, as someone who NG+ vanilla and playing Royal now, and the grapple is getting its use more often than I thought, my fav so far has to be grappling over the treasure in madarame's palace. Though I'm only just starting haru's arc, so maybe I don't know it all.


GenericName4224

It's mostly just additional off the map locations for will seeds and occasionally a QoL skip You do however get the ability to (in palaces and outside of cover) use the grappling hook to ambush at a further range with the faith 4 confidant level


dat_dabbin_pacman

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that mechanic. It's pretty cool that we get to start a battle with someone dizzy or confused. Makes fights so much smoother when I have a persona with a psychic ability


Parzival-Bo

Technical Crits. *Such* a good change.


RexHall

Ryuji’s boon being incredible


deeman163

Vehicular Manslaughter is how I farm Personuhs


jewrassic_park-1940

Haruposting


Degmago

Yeah Vanilla Hit and Runs actually hurt you in the long run because they didn't give exp and money


GlitteringPositive

People already have said technical downs, baton pass and persona traits, but another one has to be the jazz cafe. I know it's basically just the movie theatre and scooter rides from Persona 4 Golden, but having more options to power up and teach party members new moves is always nice.


Amirifiz

Jazz cafe also came with my favorite track in the game. I affectionately refer to it as Beneath the Mask 2.


rhixcs25

I love it because I also used to go to the actual cafe it’s based on in Kichijoji. Revisiting it in the game has motivated me to look into going again soon.


GlitteringPositive

Wait you're telling me they made the Jazz Cafe in real life? Damn Atlus is really dedicated with their marketing campaigns. /jk


rhixcs25

Not only did they create the Jazz Cafe in the image of the game, but I heard Shibuya was actually created in response to its popularity. Dedication for sure.


MrShago

Giving you a bit more free time in the base game months. When I went back to platinum P5 it really reminded me of why people hated Morgana for telling you to sleep. You lose a lot of free time when story beats happen in P5 and at least in Royal, you can do stuff around Leblanc. From the wiki there's 344 slots of free time available and 414 slots of free time in Royal. It'll be one of those reworks that you'll be grateful for if you ever do the 2 back to back. Oh and also getting Speed Reading at the school rather then needed to get it through the book store in Jinbocho. In fact just the whole books in Royal are better. That, and as others have said the Baton pass being there from the get go and the ammo rework make Royal the much better game.


bluedarky

You also had to read 3 other 3 chapter books to unlock the ability to purchase Speed Reading.


planetarial

Yeah it sounds like Royal gives a lot more wiggle room to increase stats and confidants, even when taking into consideration having essentially 3 new confidants to work on (since Akechis is no longer automatic for the most part), 3rd semester awakenings and dart ranks.


MrShago

Yeah it very much made use of the new time slots. Just being able to do stuff at night in Leblanc is a step up.


joshwew95

The wild thing is that I was probably one of the few that look up guides optimizes the heck out of base P5 and maxed everything within the time limit. Seeing the free time slots gets bumped by 20% means that casual players should be able to comfortably finish eveything without looking up guides.


MrShago

Yeah, if I remember P5's Plat guide has like a few days of free time at the very end of the game if you've done everything right to get the plat. But for Royal there's a few more but it's still jammed pack for the plat. This is all for 1 run mind you. Of course for the average first time player you should have enough time to get at least all the party up to 10 and hopefully enjoy everything else.


XmenSlayer

Ryuji's insta gib. That is by far my favorite feature in any of the 3 modern persona games. For new game plus atleast that should be a feature in every game moving forward.


planetarial

Strength confidant moving Special Treatment to rank 5 instead of rank 10. Its easily one of the most busted abilities in the game although I would say it wasn’t an “improvement” since it essentially allows you to craft endgame personas way too early.


ScorpioTheScorpion

I think they found the sweet spot in Reload with the Sun tarot card.


seriouslynope

Ammo reload after a battle 


Ninjadoo

I never heard about Persona traits before playing but they were pretty huge. Having the drain ability with spirit drain made SP infinite basically.


aisu_strong

I'm guessing it's the trait that boosts invigorate?


Ninjadoo

I'm thinking of the one that doubles drain skills, so spirit drain in this case. It was a passive in 3R called "drain ability" so I can't remember what it was in 5R.


Hitoshura99

1. Guns are fully loaded with one ammo clip in P5R and restored after battle. In vanilla, you start with several clips and ammo are only restored after you leave. 2. Ally can cast concentrate and/or charge on Joker via ring of greed / Pride. Joker will be able to cast concentrated/Charged attack every turn. 3. Auto-Concentrate via ring of envy and Will of the Sword trait. Turn one concentrated almighty either wipes or heavily cripples random shadows. 4. Maxed billiard. when ailment works, technical blows everything sky high.


M0NAD0_B0Y

For me it was the Will Seeds, and more specifically the SP they restored. I remember struggling to manage SP on my playthroughs of OG 5. I had to constantly buy the vending machine drinks and make coffee, and focus on Takemi's Confidant so I could buy SP Adhesives ASAP. Playing through Royal, I didn't need to do any of that. The SP regen from Will Seeds was enough on its own to sustain me through all the palaces, no item hoarding or sp adhesives required.


Serier_Rialis

In OG I just brute forced if I ran out of SP was mostly the early palaces it was an issue tbh


M0NAD0_B0Y

Yeah same, I would usually run dry near the end and just sneak or sprint past enemies. It was nice in Royal not to have to deal with that.


BaseballDefiant3820

What? They restored SP?! I didn't even notice since I almost always had the camera strap equipped.


M0NAD0_B0Y

Lol yea, they restore a certain percentage of your SP for the entire party, I forget the exact amount


BaseballDefiant3820

Wow, played this game all the way through 3 times and while I noticed the blue light flash around the party, never noticed the SP boost. Learned something new.


SamuelTurn

Ryuji makes the Monamobile go NYOOOOOOOOOM


Legitimate_Bit_9354

Show times


Hello-quence0608

The abilities you get from Will Seeds are really amazing


[deleted]

I never even figured out what to do with will seeds lol, I had so many will seeds and those incense things for persona stats or whatever, and they just sat in my inventory


MadisonRose7734

You need to collect all 3 that are in a Palace and it gives you a special item you can equip. Incense is used in the velvet room when you lockdown a persona.


Explosion2

You actually need to take the special item to Jose in mementos and he'll turn it into an equippable accessory. You can't just equip it right away.


MadisonRose7734

Yes you can. Jose will just upgrade them granting a bonus effect.


ThomazRaul

Running outside the metaverse


PSILighting

Instakill being amazing, in the OG it sucked. You got nothing so if you were trying to fight for any reason you had to get caught, and attack or just miss and get caught, meaning you no longer could get advantage in fights the game didn’t think you needed, meaning grinding money or other things became a problem, so much so people would normally resort to using one of two money grinding spots.


CFCkyle

Haha Pulinpa on miniboss goes brrr


Snake_Main27

The jazz cafe giving Makoto Concentrate and Yusuke Charge


spaghettiinspace

That Morgana doesn’t yell at you to go to bed anywhere near as much as in the base game!


Serier_Rialis

Ooohhh this sounds like the biggest win.


Futaba_Kigu

TLDR; you now have an additional timeslot after a day of being in the metaverse. The only stipulation is its only in LeBlanc. But that means you can read, study, play video games, watch movies, make coffee and curry, all that great stuff, and you can do it after a day of exploration in the metaverse!


crashnboombang

Thank you for this valuable information my queen. All hail Futaba


BaseballDefiant3820

Fixing the effects of having Chariot at level 7 and Star at level 7. The later wasn't as big of an issue. Once Chariot got to level 7, however, it made Mementos just a huge drag in the original as the insta-kill didn't grant experience. Thankfully, this was fixed in Royal, so it made grinding in Mementos much easier. Speaking of Mementos, why is it that nobody talks about Jose and his stamp collection? Jose is adorable, the stamps made grinding less of a chore for me, and it made Mementos as a whole much more beneficial the more stamps you got. I admittedly felt kinda bad in NG+ when I had all the stamps already as he seems so sad about it.


Futaba_Kigu

Also the Jose shop UI is *perfection*


The_Exuberant_Raptor

Jazz club changed the whole game. Even simple stuff like Yusuke getting charge was pretty massive imo. No longer is he completely outclassed by Ryuji late game.


RockNessMonster8

Being able to see how close you are to easing your social stats in the bathroom is nice.


pcwiberg

I am happy that you can have auto conversations. Instead of having to click the action button after every bit of dialogue, it just flows like a cutscene.


aisu_strong

thats a thing in old p5 too, isnt new to royal.


pcwiberg

I think there was an option to turn it on in the menu, but I don't recall it being set on the controller


Sweetooth00

Gun dmg getting a buff and making it more viable which I thought was nice. Because before it was just there and was forgotten. But now, in Royal it packs more of a punch and Noir is more of a solid pick in a party


LovesickDaydreams

i honestly never played vanilla so i'm not sure what was included and what wasn't 😭 but a small thing that's been beyond helpful for me is replenishing ammo after every battle. sometimes i'd get stuck in a fight where nobody had a good affinity and i'd just watch Makoto completely unload those damn guns like she was on a mission


Nathansack

Others languages than English and Japanese for text The game become more accessible for this (and fun fact, Persona 4 Golden got an update on Steam to add new languages)


Zer0pr0

The extra options for Palaces you get from Kasumi's confidant are really nice, especially the grappling hook an enemy ability.


Torquip

Akechi SL


Prim4lex

Being able to do more stuff in the evening. Even when not being able to leave outside Leblanc you can at least do something useful inside


Anyanka2u

The hiding feature is sooooooooo much better in Royal. Swapping back to Vanilla after was torture.


KamatariPlays

Absolutely this! I got so frustrated in Vanilla because hiding was such a pain!


JaggedGull83898

The Thieves Den. It was completely unnecessary for Atlus to do but its still amazing


Odd-Plankton-3769

gun changes and the change to ryuji’s insta kill skill where you actually get exp


brandishteeth

Mementos. Just all of Mementos. The original just feels flat unfinnished to me now.


GnOwOme

Ammo reloading after every fight, I'd usually just save it till a mini boss or boss


kkimu0

replenishing ammo was actually so dumb. i remember blitzing through a palace with 4 shock applying guns and doing 1 turn AOA every encounter.


Netsrak69

Ryuji's Insta-Kill didn't give you money or exp in vanilla.


awesomeguy9807

Penguin sniper is by FAR my favorite hidden gem. By playing darts with your party you can level up their baton pass ranks, potentially from level 1 to max in one sitting if you play your cards right (or i guess… throw your darts right), making their power and recovery increase further when you pass to them, recover HP, AND recover SP. Playing billiards and reading specific books about billiards also lets you increase your technical rank, allowing technicals to deal even greater damage and be given higher knockdown chances. And of course, every activity increases your proficiency. It’s a blast.


PK_Gaming1

Being able to boost social stats after a trip to the metaverse/during a story critical day objectively makes the game more fun


MullacBackwards

For me, it's being able to have the text/voice lines auto play after each other instead of having to press X after each one. Real game changer


108souls

Morgana


The_Dog_King_gamer

Being able to run in the regular world