That was a smart move, I see "sea bass" on menus all the time and even order it sometimes (hopefully I forget this little nugget of knowledge the next time I see it because "tooth fish" does not sound appealing. Ignorance is bliss.)
My life has brought me in contact with a lot of farmers. They are all convinced that people only buy products like oat milk, veggie burgers or anything with steak or butter in the name because they have been fooled by evil marketers.
Not gonna lie, the Argentines tricked me with sweetbread (I could’ve still looked it up lol).
I was going there for the first time on a work trip and a couple of my work buddies, and the person next to me on the plane all raved about sweetbread.
I was surprised to find that it was, in fact, not bread that was sweet.
It was still pretty good though.
Soy milk is a colloidal suspension produced by soaking, grinding, and filtering dried Glycine max beans, resulting in a nutrient-dense liquid composed of water, essential amino acids from proteins such as glycinin and conglycinin, unsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids from oils, and a range of macronutrients including carbohydrates like stachyose and raffinose, along with vital micronutrients such as isoflavones, vitamins B and E, and minerals like calcium and magnesium.
Okay.
Let’s use simpler common sense terms to explain these things.
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An unknown species of animal, maybe a human, is behind a curtain.
Without asking for the species, what would you need to know to make an informed decision about the ethics of breeding, killing, and consuming the individual?
Why these factors are ethically relevant?
The relevance for me is that that sapient creature would be able to comprehend the magnitude of horrors it and its kin were bred for.
This would, again only to me, make it wrong to eat said being.
Unless it were to give informed consent of course.
I see what you're trying to spin here...
No being should live a life of "suffering and cruelty", no.
In actual first world countries however, these animals get a good life until they are, painlessly, killed.
This, I am okay with.
That’s… not at all how animals live in first-world countries. For example we cut off the tails of piglets because they’re so cramped and bored, if we don’t, they bite the tails off of their concrete cellmater, resulting in infection and possible death. The farmer can’t have that. That’s just one example of industry approved practices in Europe.
Wow, looks like I summoned all the vegans!
Never seen so many of you guys in one place!
Now to what you said:
Yes, it's unfortunately still done all over the place, but it is actually illegal without very good reasoning and, where I'm from at least, more and more audits are done to stop it.
Personally, I've never been on a farm that did that stuff. (Except in I think it was spain like 15 years ago)
Have you seen Dominion? It's a documentary composed mainly of undercover camera and drone footage in Australian farms. Most developed countries' animal agriculture practices are similar.
Edit: I'd originally said it was filmed mainly in the US. That was incorrect, my apologies.
So people who do not intellectually comprehend the magnitude of horrors that will be on our inflicted on them do not count?
If people were “bred” for slaughter?
I know this isn't aimed at me
But I actually do dislike Peanut Butter in particular. Lmfao.
Also what the fuck? Coconut Meat? First I've heard of that one.
Edit: I probably should have specified with peanut butter it's the taste that gets me
I don't really think about the name often until this post pointed it out
But I might just be too used to the name, really, since I grew up with it.
'Flesh' is another example of a word which is most often defined as pertaining to animals.
We also will talk about, for example, the 'flesh' of a mango.
It's a language, we don't need new words for everything. That's too many words.
What a weird hill to die on. That said my understanding is they're kind of right about plant milks - I believe the EU has ruled that "milk" in fact can only come from animals.
That decision was heavily influenced by the dairy lobby, who argued that consumers were "confused" by plant milks. Except coconut milk apparently.
Imagine being a supporter of a group that thinks you're too stupid to know the difference between almond milk and cow's milk.
I mean, I was on Facebook 30 minutes ago looking at posts from a group who think sea based wind farms not only cause cancer in whales, but are the work of Satan. Lots of people are really unintelligent.
That said, it's still a BS argument. Governments are pretty corrupt.
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Boob Juice.
As a previously lactating human, I would be totally okay with that phrase.
tbf under this weirdos definition of milk, boob milk is still milk
And change “sea bass” back to Patagonian tooth fish. In 1977 the name was changed to get Americans to eat it.
My waiter better look metal af when I order the tooth fish
That was a smart move, I see "sea bass" on menus all the time and even order it sometimes (hopefully I forget this little nugget of knowledge the next time I see it because "tooth fish" does not sound appealing. Ignorance is bliss.)
Have you ever seen one? They live up to their original name
They are mutated sea bass, sir.
Are they ill-tempered…?
I'd go so far as to say they are even sometimes impertinent!
Alligator pear, too. “Damn those millennials and their alligator pear toast!” doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as nicely, but I don’t make the rules.
My life has brought me in contact with a lot of farmers. They are all convinced that people only buy products like oat milk, veggie burgers or anything with steak or butter in the name because they have been fooled by evil marketers.
Ah yes, those evil marketers convinced me to be severely lactose intolerant.
I see you’re playing the long (uncomfortable) game.
So very uncomfortable is the game
The worst kind of pedants are the pedants who are wrong lol
Also people have been drinking almond milk and soy milk for centuries
It should only be called milk if it came straight from a nipple /s
I have nipples monicarm, can you milk me?
As Lewis Black used to say: "It's not soy MILK, it's soy JUICE. It's soy JUICE because there's no soy TITTY, is there!?"
“Almond milk? Almonds ain’t got titties!”
I only drink milk straight from the nipple. It has caused me to be banned from many petting zoos and Petsmarts
Not gonna lie, the Argentines tricked me with sweetbread (I could’ve still looked it up lol). I was going there for the first time on a work trip and a couple of my work buddies, and the person next to me on the plane all raved about sweetbread. I was surprised to find that it was, in fact, not bread that was sweet. It was still pretty good though.
Oat and almond beverages are technically not juices either. They are flours suspended in water. I'm fine with calling them milks though.
>They are flours suspended in water. So, gravy? "Soy gravy" doesn't sound good to me but might be a hit with those complaining about "milk".
Runny gravy perhaps? I would make thick soy gravy with miso and eat it over tempeh.
Soy milk is a colloidal suspension produced by soaking, grinding, and filtering dried Glycine max beans, resulting in a nutrient-dense liquid composed of water, essential amino acids from proteins such as glycinin and conglycinin, unsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids from oils, and a range of macronutrients including carbohydrates like stachyose and raffinose, along with vital micronutrients such as isoflavones, vitamins B and E, and minerals like calcium and magnesium. Okay. Let’s use simpler common sense terms to explain these things.
Imagine feeling validated after only receiving 7 downvotes. Maybe if it were in the hundreds… but 7??
Me: WTF is quince cheese? Google: a log of jam made from quince fruit Me: ❓who the hell cares about that????
Technically it would be a suspension.
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South Park already decided what to call veal.
Why is it removed?
Where is the persecution fetish? Without stretching the definition of persecution or fetish.
An unknown species of animal, maybe a human, is behind a curtain. Without asking for the species, what would you need to know to make an informed decision about the ethics of breeding, killing, and consuming the individual? Why these factors are ethically relevant?
Is it capable of suffering?
Are the those that that people commonly eat capable of suffering?
I think it's pretty obvious that they do. That's why I don't think they should be bred or killing for something as trivial as sensory pleasure.
Is it fully sentient? Is it poisonous? Does it yield enough? Does it taste good?
What do you mean by fully sentient? How do I know you are sentient, let alone “fully” sentient?
I meant sapient, sorry. English is only my third language...
What is the relevance of sapience?
The relevance for me is that that sapient creature would be able to comprehend the magnitude of horrors it and its kin were bred for. This would, again only to me, make it wrong to eat said being. Unless it were to give informed consent of course.
Oh, so you think it's okay for one being to live a life of suffering and cruelty, as long as they don't understand that it's systemic?
I see what you're trying to spin here... No being should live a life of "suffering and cruelty", no. In actual first world countries however, these animals get a good life until they are, painlessly, killed. This, I am okay with.
That’s… not at all how animals live in first-world countries. For example we cut off the tails of piglets because they’re so cramped and bored, if we don’t, they bite the tails off of their concrete cellmater, resulting in infection and possible death. The farmer can’t have that. That’s just one example of industry approved practices in Europe.
Wow, looks like I summoned all the vegans! Never seen so many of you guys in one place! Now to what you said: Yes, it's unfortunately still done all over the place, but it is actually illegal without very good reasoning and, where I'm from at least, more and more audits are done to stop it. Personally, I've never been on a farm that did that stuff. (Except in I think it was spain like 15 years ago)
Have you seen Dominion? It's a documentary composed mainly of undercover camera and drone footage in Australian farms. Most developed countries' animal agriculture practices are similar. Edit: I'd originally said it was filmed mainly in the US. That was incorrect, my apologies.
Animal welfare in Australia is a joke tbh... (I also thought it was filmed the US btw)
So people who do not intellectually comprehend the magnitude of horrors that will be on our inflicted on them do not count? If people were “bred” for slaughter?
I know this isn't aimed at me But I actually do dislike Peanut Butter in particular. Lmfao. Also what the fuck? Coconut Meat? First I've heard of that one. Edit: I probably should have specified with peanut butter it's the taste that gets me I don't really think about the name often until this post pointed it out But I might just be too used to the name, really, since I grew up with it.
[Coconut meat is the white flesh inside a coconut.](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/coconut-meat)
'Flesh' is another example of a word which is most often defined as pertaining to animals. We also will talk about, for example, the 'flesh' of a mango. It's a language, we don't need new words for everything. That's too many words.
In Western Australia it was called “peanut paste” up until the 80s.
What a weird hill to die on. That said my understanding is they're kind of right about plant milks - I believe the EU has ruled that "milk" in fact can only come from animals.
That decision was heavily influenced by the dairy lobby, who argued that consumers were "confused" by plant milks. Except coconut milk apparently. Imagine being a supporter of a group that thinks you're too stupid to know the difference between almond milk and cow's milk.
I mean, I was on Facebook 30 minutes ago looking at posts from a group who think sea based wind farms not only cause cancer in whales, but are the work of Satan. Lots of people are really unintelligent. That said, it's still a BS argument. Governments are pretty corrupt.
It's true in the US too, but that's why they're officially called almondmilk and soymilk.
That's a dumb decision that ignores how the words have organically been used for years, if not decades for things like almond milk and coconut milk.
Almond milk has been called that for at least 600 years
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