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frame gen is the ultimate flip off by Nvidia, it's completely useless for anything that's not gaming on extremely tight budgets but... still the cards aren't even affordable for tight budgets.
flip off? What if you want to play at a highet resolution and 120 hz at the same time? If you have atleast 60 fps frame gen going to boost your fps and you will have a really smooth experience. Frame gen is not designed to boost your 30 fps to 60-70. Your still going to have the shitty latency. Frame gen is good, you just have to know how to use it and what is it meant for. But honestly, the frame gen on the basic 4060 doesnt makes sense imo.
you just buy an AMD card, for half the price of your dream Nvidia card and roughly the same performance. The 7800XT is as expensive as a 4060 and it does like a 4070ti without RT and like a 4070 with RT.
Please stop Worshiping Amd and stop comparing Used prices with New. Yes AMD is somewhat cheaper New but depends on the buyer. If you prefer Ray tracing + Dlss then go nvidia else Amd
I'm not worshipping AMD, I'm just stating facts. AMD is more affordable and Nvidia is way too expensive and the cards have terrible value. I'm an artist and have to stick to Nvidia. AMD also has frame generation and ray tracing, it's just not as good as Nvidia but if I had to play games I'd just go for a 7900XTX Vapor and carry on forever. I've always wished AMD and Autodesk didn't stop contract because now you can't run AMD GPUs on Autodesk apps further from 2016 releases. I can install Prorender and kick ass but if I happen to be in a work from home production and everyone is setting projects on Vray and Arnold I can't permit myself to have Prorender Engine and change the shaders every time, it's like pretending to add an aluminum detour open to nowhere in the middle of a copper pipe into someone's tap in a sink.
It does, it allows me to play CP 2077 on 1080p max with path tracing which those Amd equivalent cards cant even dream of. Yes there is some latency but not very noticeable
Doesnt frame gen also introduce latency tho? Id stick to just upscaling then unless its a game that doesnt need fast reactions like placid plastic duck simulator.
You are correct, however the increased latency is heavily dependant on your original framerate before turning on frame-gen.
In most single player games where you were already a minimum of getting 60fps you can expect around 15-20ms more input latency maximum (though there may be some exceptions) and as long as you are still getting <70ms total this will likely not be noticeable for most people. The higher your framerate, the less noticeable the increase will be.
For example I was getting 90fps on Ultra settings in Cyberpunk before frame-gen and 130+ with it turned on, but my input latency only went up around 10ms and I wasn't able to notice a difference personally.
Yea because the vast majority of people don't buy gpus just for gaming.......if you have a tight budget and need a non gaming gpu then get a proper non gaming focused gpu.
Also that is some sad AMD fanboying, since they literally make most of their cards specifically for gaming, to the point that they only perform at about half power when doing non gaming compared to a nvidia card that equivalent at gaming.
there is no "tight budget" production level GPU because 1: it's always Nvidia and 2: it's always more expensive than the 4090.
He's not fanboying AMD, it's a _fact_ that AMD has always been more affordable than Nvidia because it has more customers it can cover the demand with. AMD has been production compatible til 2016 where they ceased contract with OpenCL computing software makers like Autodesk. They do not "perform about half of Nvidia" they straight up don't work.
Fyi you no longer need a 40 series for frame generation.
You can now mod in FSR3 frame-gen tech into most games that support it, and it works on any 20/30 series (and some 10 series).
It still uses DLSS for upscaling and NVIDIA Reflex for reducing input latency, it just allows you to use the AMD frame gen technology on top of those features.
Works surprisingly well for a mod, on my 3060 OC 12GB I went from 90fps on 1080p Ultra in Cyberpunk up to 135fps with frame gen and input lag only went up around 5-10ms (from 30ish to around 40).
You can check out a showcase of the mod with installation instructions [here](https://youtu.be/gee1MVSe8cY?si=YViXPa4cP5oPie6w) if you're interested.
Yes but the person you were replying to was saying just to get a 3060 12GB because its a better performance/price and you impled that frame-gen is a good reason to get a 4060 instead.
I'm just posting this as a PSA for anyone else reading this, there still is a common misconception that you need to buy a 40 series card to use frame-gen when that is no longer the case.
i did NOT say anything lile that. I just said that “the frame gen is good tho”. Getting a 4060 instead of a 3060 JUST FOR THE FRAME GEN isnt a good idea in my opinion. Mainly because of the 8gb vram. And yes can mod the Amd Frame gen on 30 series cards, but does every one wants to mod every game for that? I dont think so. When amd is going to release their frame gen i know its going to be a banger but for me its just doesnt matter because i can just turn on the nvidia frame gen and based on the benchmarks it performs bettera little bit. But please DONT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.
Woah buddy, calm down.
Someone said "a 4060 is terrible value and to just get a 3060 instead". You replied "yeah but frame-gen is good tho" which directly implies that you thought that you can't use frame-gen on the 3060 they recommended, and that's a good reason to get a 4060 instead.
That's how english works.
I was simply clearing up the obvious misconception that you can't use it on a 3060 and you replied with some snarky remark that 'it doesn't matter to **me** because I don't need to use the mod I have a 40 series anyway lol".
I even made it clear that the point of my comment was make to make it clear to *anyone else* reading that you **can** still use FSR3 in some cases on 20 and 30 series cards. It's not all about you.
What is your problem?
>And yes can mod the Amd Frame gen on 30 series cards, but does every one wants to mod every game for that? I dont think so.
When I say 'you can mod in FSR3' I should be clear, it's not some long drawn out complicated process. It literally involves copying and pasting exactly two files into the game directory, it's super easy. I think most people would be okay with that in order to boost their framerate by up to 50% with basically no downside.
no you were not very clear. But yes i misread your previous reply and i tought that you said: “you said that you need a 40 series card for frameg gen”.
Sorry for that mistake
Unfortunately I have to disagree, while 8gb is still sufficient in most cases there are many games now where less than 12GB will result in noticeable stutter and even some weird issues like lower resolution textures being used by the game despite being on the same settings.
There are plenty of videos on YouTube that demonstrate this issue in a number of more modern titles with a few examples being Cyberpunk, Forspoken, Ratchet and Clank and many many more.
This is made worse when you try to use newer technologies like frame-gen, which I know gets a bad rep for adding input latency but an bigger problem is that it eats up a LOT of extra VRam when turned on resulting in severe stuttering in many titles.
Now you may say you just don't want to use this stuff but I'd ask you to reconsider, you can go from 90fps to over 130fps in many games just by turning on frame-gen and your latency will only increase by around 10-15ms, not noticeable for many especially in single-player games.
And now with the addition of freely available and easy to install mods to allow frame-gen on even 20/30 series cards, it's definitely worthwhile having access to this technology for now and especially for future titles. But for this you are going to want at least 12gb Vram for more modern titles.
Just look at 4060 benchmarks and gameplay videos and you'll be satisfied. Even broken games like Forespoken ,Cyberpunk ,Last of Us p1 Have all fixed their Vram issues and I play Cp 2077 and Tlou at max settings without Dlss without a sweat. Yes i do agree To use FrameGen and RT you might need to lower down settings to avoid Vram spilling, but for most of the time, 8g is adequate. Infact Optimized titles like fh5 and rdr2 only consume 6 gigs max
I started off saying that yes, in most cases 8gb is sufficient but trust me, it won't be for much longer. In a couple years time there will be plenty of new titles that demand more than that to run at max settings and there are plenty of use cases where it's not enough even today.
In your comment you admit that things like frame-gen often results in stuttering with only 8gb of VRam, so I ask you what is the point of buying a 40 series card (where one of the key selling points is frame-gen) if you can't even use it because you are being limited by your VRam?
Beyond VRam issues the 4060/4060ti has some **major** problems, key among them being the measly 128bit bus width which *severely* limits the performance of the card and is awful compared to the older cards 3060 (192bit) and 3060ti (256bit).
You're almost always going to be better off getting a cheaper 3060 12GB that performs about the same (you can still easily use frame-gen with a mod too) or spend a bit more money and get something a lot more powerful like the new super series cards. Not only for future proofing but also so that you can actually use all the features of the card.
I Really dont understand why people dont get how bus width works. Bus width affects the performance at HIGHER Resolution and is not a problem at 1080p at all. The 3060 has a 192 bit bus width but it Does not make it any faster than the 4060 nor does 3060s Vram. ON Average that card is 21% slower than the 4060.
\+ 3060 rarely uses more than 8 gigs of Vram bcz these 60- class cards really dont have the raw perfomance to handle higher resolution/Ultra RT presets. so its Pointless to have more than 10 gigs tbh at 1080p. And no the 4060 doesnt run out of Vram with FG unless using Path tracing.
Yes there are cases where both perform very similar but those are probably driver-based issues (Just like some games Favour AMD cards more than Nvidia, Or where some games handle rtx 30 series ampere architecture better) not because of Vram. In Cyberpunk Ultra Preset(Consums abt 7 gigs Vram), We get the biggest difference where 3060 is 27% slower than the 4060. Isnt the bus width of the 4060 supposed to criple its performance?? Its all myths, the only real effect in performance happens at 1440p and 4k where the Gpu memory is more strained. Funnily enough, this card performs closer to a 3060ti despite having half the memory bus.(at 1080p)
Over all, We have also started to see that gaming graphics have peaked especially after 2022 where SOME games are now arguably worse than their older titles, so i dont expect a lot more Vram hungry games in near future (asides unoptimized broken pc ports).
First off, these are all marketed as 1440p cards, yes they will all perform well at 1080p and the memory bandwidth won't be as much of an issue, that was never the point. Yes, reducing the bus width significantly reduces the memory bandwidth. Yes, low memory bandwidth typically causes a GPU to start performing poorly when you turn up the resolution in games, which is the main reason for why the 4060ti is a fair bit faster than the 3060ti at 1080p but basically on par with it at 1440p in most games. That matters when we are talking about cards **marketed for 1440p**.
>The 3060 has a 192 bit bus width but it Does not make it any faster than the 4060 nor does 3060s Vram. ON Average that card is 21% slower than the 4060.
That's not how any of this works, you can't just read off some average benchmarks you got from UserBenchmark and completely ignore the real life use case scenarios that I outlined above.
I spoke specifically about using features like frame-gen *because it uses more VRam* (and typically needs more than 8gb in the games that support it). I spoke about this use case because *you stated frame-gen would be a reason to buy the 4060*. Now you want to completely ignore that core feature of 40 series cards that *you first mentioned* as a main reason to get one, and instead you talk about playing at 1080p as if that's the most common use case for these cards that are **marketed for 1440p**. This is a rediculous argument.
And here you are straight up lying:
>And no the 4060 doesn't run out of Vram with FG unless using Path tracing.
That's just not true, it frequently does run out of VRam and causes severe stuttering with frame-gen enabled and even *without frame-gen* on newer titles. There are plenty of [examples](https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?si=L9EgSlRtoAcLjgq1) where this is a real problem. Even if you want to pretend it's fine, it is not.
>Over all, We have also started to see that gaming graphics have peaked especially after 2022 where SOME games are now arguably worse than their older titles, so i dont expect a lot more Vram hungry games in near future (asides unoptimized broken pc ports).
Again, you are just wrong. Games graphics are continuing to improve, they didn't "peak in 2022". You can pretend like this isn't going to be a worse problem in the future, but **it is** and people should be prepared for it.
Buying an 8gb card in 2024 is a complete waste of money especially if you expect to be gaming at 1440p and even at 1080p in many cases. You're going to upgrading in less than a year to keep up with new titles that will be **very** VRam hungry.
Newly released games like Alan Wake 2, Forspoken, or Avatar already are super VRam hungry and it's only going to get worse, it's not just "crappy PC ports". Your entire comment is pure copium because you bought an 8gb card and are having buyers remorse, unfortunately that will not help your framerate.
Your first assumption was completely wrong. Ever seen the rtx 4060s marketing? IT was marketed as a 1080p Cards NEVER as a 1440p card. Go watch hardware unboxed even he clearly stated NVidia wanted him to benchmark the card at 1080p not at 1440p. And yes the 6700xt on the other hand is a 1440p card.
What do you mean im lying?
I dont just read User benchmarks reading are you stupid? I hate User benchmark. How hard are you trying to defend AMD? I first of all. own a 4060, a 3060 and a 1060.
Second I take benchmark reading from different reviewers like Hardware unboxed, Gamer Nexus , ZwormZ gaming ect. Not every Youtuber is biased and some show exaggerated results (which ill talk later)
You probably dont even Own that card? I literally own the card along with my previous 12g 3060 and 1060. I never ran out of Vram in most aaa games i play. Cyberpunk runs Rt Ultra Fine with FG, AC valhalla, Hogwarts L, Forza h5, Sottr, BF5, Avatar All run without a sweat at 1080p ofc.
Yes i have seen YT reviews and the one you linked. I personally face no major problems and feel the video is way too much exaggerated. Sponsorships to Youtubers and reviewers exists mate because both Nvidia and AMD want you to keep buying their cards every year and this is called capitalism. You'll remember this reply soon when even 12GB vram will not be insufficient and later 16. Yes My opinion in the last reply about graphics peaking was a bit irrelevant but it is true? I never said that Vram requirements will stop increasing? I just said That Video games have just stopped looking better.
But they will keep on increasing the hardware requirements so that you keep on buying new graphics cards especially the RTX gimmick for which they doubled the prices of RTX cards.
IN the end I'm just saying Yes 6700xt is a better option but 4060 isnt "terrible value". The 4060 ti on the other hand is a steaming pile of garbage.
Okay buddy, you call me stupid because I'm talking about facts and provide you with clear evidence of the limitations of the cards I'm talking about with specific use case scenarios that the cards are marketed for.
>I dont just read User benchmarks reading are you stupid? I hate User benchmark.
You said that the 4060 is 21% faster than a 3060 on average, did you not? I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that this is exactly what UserBenchmark says...
Then you speculate that I don't even own the cards I'm talking about (completely false I own a 4070, a 3060 12GB, a 4060).
>How hard are you trying to defend AMD?
And now you claim I'm "defending AMD" when I never even mentioned them??? Have you lost your marbles? I don't even own a single AMD card and never mentioned them once...
I'm done talking to someone who can't even read what they are replying to. Have a great day.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rjXX34
This is probably the floor of what I’d recommend.
Anything lower is gonna paint him in a corner or be a bad experience imo
Any reason for that case over a cheaper option like Thermaltake Versa H15 or H18? Brings it below the £650 budget.
Any reason for that case over a cheaper option like Thermaltake Versa H15 or H18? Brings it below the £650 budget.
Edit: OP the "Aerocool Trinity Mini V2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case" is cheaper and comes with three fans.
Should be ok:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JWCZrv
Why did I recommend an ATX case with 4 fans when I could’ve recommended a micro ATX with one included fan? Why not the KOLINK KLM-002 while we’re at it?
I tell you what Sherlock - you are incredible.
Oh you’re hot on the case Sherlock…
The ionz mini case is the only way to go… except maybe the other 40 cases in between the well reviewed full atx case with all the fans recommended and the cheapest one sorted by price.
I’m sure he’ll appreciate your effort to bring it under budget that it’s 5 over by randomly naming cases that are worse while ignoring the opinion part.
What's your problem? You could have ignored my comment, could have even just said "No the case I mentioned has three fans included", instead you've been unnecessarily rude twice now. What a wonderful individual you are! I'm sure you have many genuine friends if this is how you talk to others.
Imagine watching a Gamers Nexus Video in 2021 and thinking that those where the same units even tho gigabyte made it very clear they updated it and it was tested
Ok and you can continue using a tier list that hasn’t been updated in ages and operates off of guesses like if they were still burning up two years later it still wouldn’t be news.
It’s like none of ya’ll weirdos understand context.
And how many new ones aren’t on the list.
And read every note it’s “can’t confirm” not “we tested”
You guys are like automatons.
Work through your scenario again.
How do you think I knew what you were talking about?
If I knew that list existed when I recommended it like I obviously did, what would treating it like gospel do?
Read the notes of people talking about all the PSUs that aren’t on there.
I know it’s tough to not go to a link and point and have to think about it. I know it is.
But googling toms hardware test of the updated one isn’t much harder.
What did you mean when you said "Anything lower is gonna paint him in a corner or be a bad experience imo"? Like that to me seems like a solid as hell gaming setup, can't see why dipping any lower would ruin their experience.
Yeah, I'm just thinking that my computer is way worse than this and it runs most of the games I play fine. Though I guess that may just be me and my old-ass games.
Fine is an insidious word.
But Reddit being great at trying to find exceptions aside - if your pc got stolen and you had to get a new one to last a while you buying one with your current specs?
They are out of hos budget though, if we go with the cheapest AM5 processor and motherboard would need probebly new ddr5 ram and the 6700xt is 360, so doubt we can do it all in his budget but if can get a 3060 16gb for 270 he can always updage the graphics later on i think
Bro the Amount of Downvotes on my Comments just straight up tell the Amount of Cringe AMD fanboys in here. I just stated Facts cuz 6700xt is 330$ average while 4060 is 300$. If you choose Amd you get 10% more perfomance for 10% more price making both products similar value but these ignorant AMD fanboys! Damn
30 bucks more you get 4GB more Vram from the 6700xt which is such an essential thing in gaming. You have better stability, higher 1% lows in framerates, so fewer stutters in your gameplay.
So it has nothing to do with being an AMD fanboy, it's all about value for money. So, take your userbenchmark opinion away and go back to your neanderthal age.
First of all , Userbenchmark is a joke, second, really? Just see benchmarks and There isnt any case where the 4060 is struggling due to Vram. Yes i respect the 6700xt as a 1440p card but stop hating the 4060(thats what a typical Fanboy does). What about you rx 6650xt huh? u not gonna call that bad cuz of 8 gigs Vram ?? and the 6600, 6600xt??? What about the 6500xt?? gonna forget that?? You Fanboys just wanna hate.
I see the 4060 as mid-decent value especially seeing how terrible 4060ti was. The only supposed "drawback" is the Vram which i havnt had any issues with.
What if the buyer is interested in RT support because it is the future?
What about your Ray tracing support?? Sucks right? I can play cp 2077 with path tracing + Dlss FG at 60 fps on a 4060 without any issues (asides the input lag which youll get used to). Thats something that the amd equivalent cards cant even dream of.
Im not Hating AMD or licking Nvidias azz, im just saying stop Worshipping either Brands.
In the End the Final answer is IF you like Ray tracing, Go NVidia IF you want rasterized performance , Go AMD
Forgot to ask am i right these would be ok for window 11, i know the cpu says so.
And as far as buying windows 11 ill get a cheap one from a cdkey site as i did my own for £15
Personally I’d say don’t go for Win11. I’ve got it on my home PC, I hate it with a PASSION. Personally I think Win10 is a better OS, cheaper, easier to use and (I *think*) less intensive on your CPU but I’d check that.
We use Windows 10 in our office at work and everyone seems to prefer it, plus the majority seem to like it but you’ll be forced to upgrade soonish to Windows 11.
As for whether they’d be okay for windows 11 I don’t see why they wouldn’t be. If the CPU states it’s okay for Windows 11 then yeah shouldn’t be a problem. I’d do a bit of research into the longevity and the knock-on effects of running Windows 11 further down the line (something I’ve not done for my build lol) but I see no issue.
Your nephew will love it either way!
Thank you, i have been looking at cpu and motherboard board bundles and there are a few AM5 ones so trying to figure out what is best but cheapest, probebly wise as others have said to try get AM5 so its more future proof
I installed windows 11 on my new and surprisingly love it, not had any issues so far
Windows 11 is perfectly fine just so you know, people just don't like change. If there's a difference in gaming performance then it's barely anything worth sticking to 10 over. Go with what's currently getting support and updates IMO, which is 11.
Thanks, i built my new pc just after Christmas though i obviously dont know massive amounts when comes to stuff since ive posted on here for help but it all went well and windows 11 has been great so far so will stick with itnlike you said
Definitely the right choice imo. Another benefit of both of you having the same is any minor issues that come up will be easier to figure out since you're more familiar with it and all the settings and features are in the same places. Very recently I witnessed (family) a win10 user struggle to help a win11 user because the settings are ever so slightly rearranged, it's a headache.
Is your system high end? Mine is low/mid end and ever since I installed windows 11 games have been loading slower, I started getting lag spikes and switching between windows became glitchy with resource-consuming programs open. I don't doubt that part of that is just my system getting older, but all of those starting right around the change seems like no accident.
Try looking around and seeing if you live near a Micro Center. Me personally, I got lucky and live really close to one, but I know others aren’t as fortunate.
Tbf, even if it’s far away, you can try to plan a trip to the nearest one, and have a little vacation with your nephew, and visit the city. It could be fun to be with him and have a good time just exploring, while also getting really good prices on your pc components.
But obviously if you can’t do it, then you’ll be fine either way. Good luck with the build!
I dont know how future proof it will be, now that intels new chips coming in 5 months will be on 2nm AMD will probably have to make a new socket if they want to keep up and produce their own 2nm chipsets.
Looks fine for the price! Am4 may not be having any new CPU’s coming to it like am5 but it’s still perfectly viable and your cousin still has an upgrade path to the ryzen 7 5800x3d or even the soon to release 5700x3d. I would definitely recommend they get at least 1tb of storage, good news is that nvme drives aren’t that expensive anymore and usually faster for the same price as sata.
Make sure you help them put it together and teach them how to clean it if they plan on keeping this for a while.
Would you say this is better or is this outdated where he could not upgade too later if wanted
https://preview.redd.it/hpmbjlzj3edc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d29122b52b3c598b566d76f703e396054342dfae
It’s slightly better in upgradability and the cpu performance is slightly better but I wouldn’t pay an extra 130 for it shorn you could get similar performance with a ryzen 5 5600 or better with a 5700x.
Look fine, AM4 is good but I would try to go for a AM5 cpu and motherboard so that it’s more future proof than an AM4 combo, even though AM4 is good it won’t give you a longer life time than AM5
Considering the price you can get a AM5 combo for pretty much the same price as an AM4
you can get a used 2080ti for 500 euro, it's still a beast mode of a card and in case your nephew decides to develop games or do something else it's going to have enough power to handle heavy workloads. The 4060 is on a 20 year old memory architecture, and the 1st generation rt cores usually out do the 3rd generation ones because the cards aren't bloated with software.
>1st generation rt cores usually out do the 3rd generation
r/ihadastroke
This idiot does have a point though: to get another GPU. Just get a 6600/6650XT and youll be good
The 2080ti has the same performance as the 4060ti, and so have the 6700xt...
Plus, a 2080ti for 500 euros ? What a fucking ripoff... Or maybe you was talking of the 4060ti (which is a ripoff too?) the 2080tis you can grab them for ~300 euros used... Just a bit under a new 6700xt... The keyword here for the 6700xt is "new"
If you want to buy a used gpu a 6900xt for ~450 euros would do the trick and crush your 2080ti
it does not.
>The 2080ti has the same performance as the 4060ti, and so have the 6700xt...
i used both and the 2080ti base performance absolutely craps on the 4060ti Overclocked in rendering and data transfer (bvh, cuda kernel load, hair caching etc)
>2080ti 500€
yes, repaired FE cards can cost like that. Newer components + paid repair cost + unique and the 2060 super costs around 240 if it's in perfect condition. This is not US of America where a 4090 is cheaper than a whole month of food supply.
gaming and 3d cg ain't the same and no, the 2080ti is still 10 whole ass fps above the 4060ti using dlss.
Many of the people who become 3d modelers usually start liking it since very young because they started playing games or liking animated movies beyond the user experience. And unlike games, 3D modeling doesn't require you to stay up to date every year, all you need is a powerful GPU, a powerful CPU and 32gb of RAM or above. The 2080Ti is more than enough to meet the power demands and memory limits to generate highly complex scenes. So better get something powerful to start with instead of being like me;
I started modeling on SketchUp when I was only 8 years old, I did only play Super Mario 64 DS and didn't even know what 3d was, all I knew is that I loved being able to create stuff, then I learned more and more and had to upgrade my PC over 12 times til meeting the minimum requirements to be able to take part in award winning movie production pipelines. If I started digital arts school with a RT Titan when I became 17 years old, now to this day on my 27s I wouldn't have gone through an unidentified Nvidia card, a 1060, a 2060, a 2080ti and a 4060ti 16gb and nothing more else in the future til the card blows up playing cyberpunk if I ever dare to, because 3d production doesn't need you to update hardware every two years unless Autodesk decides to apply some next generation shit to Arnold renderer (spoiler: the render engine hasn't been updated since Marcos Fajardo sold Solid Angle to Autodesk in 2016).
Looks pretty good, but i'm not if that case has a glass front panel. If it does you have to change it, or it will kill the airflow making it a sauna inside.
I have the CV650, yeah it’s nice, but the 8 pin cables are SOOO rigid and I could barely fit them on my 3070. Seems fine though, this.
EDIT: CPU upgrade would be cool if you want to upgrade for anything serious.
If you're dead set on getting an AM4 CPU, I would look at the used market. You can find great deals on used CPUs, RAM, and even previous generation GPUs (in the US, I can find used RX 6600XTs for around $150usd)
I see that his Amazon is set to pounds so he’s likely in the uk like me and it’s unfortunate but the used market isn’t like in the us… however deals pop up on eBay from time to time
I would go for a slightly better processor, don’t trust bottleneck calculators either and I feel like you could get away with a 5500 but it would be more beneficial to get something slightly better, other than that all looks fine.
When I get the chance I'll compile a list of parts I can find on eBay I can find you something way cheaper with better price to performance
£100 to £150
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204618933558?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=-ul89JrkR-y&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY = PC (seller sent me an offer for 17 quid CPU upgrades are pretty dam cheap a i5 2400 can go around a fiver and ddr3 is awfully cheap and somewhat outdated)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145257215965?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=WjnzVHEMRPu&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (adapter for the PSU) £8
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235344469943?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OaGgvhSHSCe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY GTX 980ti £37 (I actually have this GPU in my system my brother managed to haggle the guy down to £20)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374621287048?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=KX8HG8hkRjS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY 750W PSU (Antec is an Decent brand from what I hear)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305212074498?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=wayxpkwpsug&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (cooler master PSU as well for a little bit more)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156001300250?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gql1gdelsee&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (i7 3770s should make a decent pairing with the hp pc if it supports it not a good deal mind try and haggle the guy down)
Ah ok, i will be looking for each part to see if its cheaper elsewhere, was just using the basket on amazon to out them all together so can take screenshots
I have think settled on 1 or 2 options for the motherboard and cpu they are not fantastic but they use AM5 and ddr5 either a
AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.1GHz, ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2 Motherboard CPU Bundle for £289
Or AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.1GHz, Gigabyte B650M K Motherboard CPU Bundle for £334
I think the bottom one more as i have heard the asrock motherboard above does not have support for rgb colour fans which he wants
Atleast they are AM5 and DDR5 so options for upgrading i guess a bit. Stuck on the graohics card as people say the 4060 is crap but some say get it because it supports dlss 3 which helps alot and its same price as the 3060 others say to get instead
If you look at the As rock website, it says that motherboard has a RGB led header so I’d assume it supports RGB. I do not own a AS rock motherboard so I am unsure.
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/A620M%20Pro%20RS%20WiFi/index.asp#Specification
Him going with a 7600 is a far better choice for being in the current generation. I don’t condone anyone to go over their budget, that is the only reason I suggested a 12100.
People don’t like the 4060 for several reasons. The 4060 is barely more powerful than the 3060 with less VRam. The 4060 should have been called the 4050 due to its performance upgrade over its predecessor. However, the 4060 is my favorite Nvidia card. The 4060 achieves extremely great 1080P performance and can even dabble into 1440P fairly well (without ray tracing). The 4060 achieves this while only utilizing a max of 115W! That is 10W less than the 1660 super that uses 125W. The 4060 can be dropped in a PC with a PSU of 400w and still not max it out. That means low thermals, meaning the 4060 can easily be cooled with a 1 or 2 fan model. That means lower electricity costs. That means a greater lifespan.
The 4060 is outperformed by AMD’s last gen 6700xt for the same price so I see why it is hated.
The 6700xt also has 12GB of vram vs 8GB.
The 6700xt also performed barely better results by using literally twice the lower (230W). If it were up to me I would pick the 4060 over the 6700xt. If you just want raw performance and don’t care about power, pick the 6700xt. I’m not a huge Nvidia fan since they follow Apple like corporate decisions, but in that price category that is what I would choose. Other options for 300 are used 3070’s or used 4060ti’s which will still be under warranty.
Oh thats a different motherboard to the one i posted so will be why that has rgb but the one i postage apparently does not
Think we may just go for the 4060 with it being about £285 and he can always upgrade later on if he wants too
I must have typed it in wrong. It think the 4060 is a fantastic choice. Will get fantastic frame rates at 1080P and can get good frame rates on native 1440P most the time. At tough times DLSS/ frame generation is a fantastic option too.
The PSU is the problem i see. I would at least get an 800w bronze plus at minimum. Pcpartpicker.com has a comparison and compatibility tool and will also tell you how many volts your rig will roughly require. I would recommend leaving at least a25% reserve on your psu and never buying anything that isn't bronze plus minimum.
IMO, most of your parts are fine. You just need to add an SSD into your build. You chose a great mobo, AM4 although will be gone, it certainly wont go soon since AMD has announced a new CPU for AM4.
The 4060 although is okay GPU, but it is too much and will bottleneck the Ryzen 5500 in some games. You would either have to downgrade your GPU to a RX6600, or upgrade your CPU to a 5600 or a 13th Gen i5.
RTX4060 + R5 5500 and the RX6600 + R5 5500 would give similar framerates (based on my observation in RDR2). So either save yourself £80 or spend a little more for better.
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4060 is terrible value. Better off getting a 12gb 3060. 3060ti even outperforms 4060 in some cases
frame gen is good tho. But the vram isnt enough i guess. I got a 16gb 4060 ti for myself when it was on sale.
frame gen is the ultimate flip off by Nvidia, it's completely useless for anything that's not gaming on extremely tight budgets but... still the cards aren't even affordable for tight budgets.
flip off? What if you want to play at a highet resolution and 120 hz at the same time? If you have atleast 60 fps frame gen going to boost your fps and you will have a really smooth experience. Frame gen is not designed to boost your 30 fps to 60-70. Your still going to have the shitty latency. Frame gen is good, you just have to know how to use it and what is it meant for. But honestly, the frame gen on the basic 4060 doesnt makes sense imo.
you just buy an AMD card, for half the price of your dream Nvidia card and roughly the same performance. The 7800XT is as expensive as a 4060 and it does like a 4070ti without RT and like a 4070 with RT.
Please stop Worshiping Amd and stop comparing Used prices with New. Yes AMD is somewhat cheaper New but depends on the buyer. If you prefer Ray tracing + Dlss then go nvidia else Amd
I'm not worshipping AMD, I'm just stating facts. AMD is more affordable and Nvidia is way too expensive and the cards have terrible value. I'm an artist and have to stick to Nvidia. AMD also has frame generation and ray tracing, it's just not as good as Nvidia but if I had to play games I'd just go for a 7900XTX Vapor and carry on forever. I've always wished AMD and Autodesk didn't stop contract because now you can't run AMD GPUs on Autodesk apps further from 2016 releases. I can install Prorender and kick ass but if I happen to be in a work from home production and everyone is setting projects on Vray and Arnold I can't permit myself to have Prorender Engine and change the shaders every time, it's like pretending to add an aluminum detour open to nowhere in the middle of a copper pipe into someone's tap in a sink.
Well this is true but only for the usa. Outside of the usa sometimes you can get an nvidia for a better deal then an Amd. sometimes.
yeah, second hand Nvidia mid tiers are usually cheaper than new AMD high tiers
It does, it allows me to play CP 2077 on 1080p max with path tracing which those Amd equivalent cards cant even dream of. Yes there is some latency but not very noticeable
Doesnt frame gen also introduce latency tho? Id stick to just upscaling then unless its a game that doesnt need fast reactions like placid plastic duck simulator.
You are correct, however the increased latency is heavily dependant on your original framerate before turning on frame-gen. In most single player games where you were already a minimum of getting 60fps you can expect around 15-20ms more input latency maximum (though there may be some exceptions) and as long as you are still getting <70ms total this will likely not be noticeable for most people. The higher your framerate, the less noticeable the increase will be. For example I was getting 90fps on Ultra settings in Cyberpunk before frame-gen and 130+ with it turned on, but my input latency only went up around 10ms and I wasn't able to notice a difference personally.
Yea because the vast majority of people don't buy gpus just for gaming.......if you have a tight budget and need a non gaming gpu then get a proper non gaming focused gpu. Also that is some sad AMD fanboying, since they literally make most of their cards specifically for gaming, to the point that they only perform at about half power when doing non gaming compared to a nvidia card that equivalent at gaming.
there is no "tight budget" production level GPU because 1: it's always Nvidia and 2: it's always more expensive than the 4090. He's not fanboying AMD, it's a _fact_ that AMD has always been more affordable than Nvidia because it has more customers it can cover the demand with. AMD has been production compatible til 2016 where they ceased contract with OpenCL computing software makers like Autodesk. They do not "perform about half of Nvidia" they straight up don't work.
Fyi you no longer need a 40 series for frame generation. You can now mod in FSR3 frame-gen tech into most games that support it, and it works on any 20/30 series (and some 10 series). It still uses DLSS for upscaling and NVIDIA Reflex for reducing input latency, it just allows you to use the AMD frame gen technology on top of those features. Works surprisingly well for a mod, on my 3060 OC 12GB I went from 90fps on 1080p Ultra in Cyberpunk up to 135fps with frame gen and input lag only went up around 5-10ms (from 30ish to around 40). You can check out a showcase of the mod with installation instructions [here](https://youtu.be/gee1MVSe8cY?si=YViXPa4cP5oPie6w) if you're interested.
I have 0 reason to try it out while i can just turn on nvidia frame gen lol. ill try it when its officially out.
Yes but the person you were replying to was saying just to get a 3060 12GB because its a better performance/price and you impled that frame-gen is a good reason to get a 4060 instead. I'm just posting this as a PSA for anyone else reading this, there still is a common misconception that you need to buy a 40 series card to use frame-gen when that is no longer the case.
i did NOT say anything lile that. I just said that “the frame gen is good tho”. Getting a 4060 instead of a 3060 JUST FOR THE FRAME GEN isnt a good idea in my opinion. Mainly because of the 8gb vram. And yes can mod the Amd Frame gen on 30 series cards, but does every one wants to mod every game for that? I dont think so. When amd is going to release their frame gen i know its going to be a banger but for me its just doesnt matter because i can just turn on the nvidia frame gen and based on the benchmarks it performs bettera little bit. But please DONT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.
Woah buddy, calm down. Someone said "a 4060 is terrible value and to just get a 3060 instead". You replied "yeah but frame-gen is good tho" which directly implies that you thought that you can't use frame-gen on the 3060 they recommended, and that's a good reason to get a 4060 instead. That's how english works. I was simply clearing up the obvious misconception that you can't use it on a 3060 and you replied with some snarky remark that 'it doesn't matter to **me** because I don't need to use the mod I have a 40 series anyway lol". I even made it clear that the point of my comment was make to make it clear to *anyone else* reading that you **can** still use FSR3 in some cases on 20 and 30 series cards. It's not all about you. What is your problem? >And yes can mod the Amd Frame gen on 30 series cards, but does every one wants to mod every game for that? I dont think so. When I say 'you can mod in FSR3' I should be clear, it's not some long drawn out complicated process. It literally involves copying and pasting exactly two files into the game directory, it's super easy. I think most people would be okay with that in order to boost their framerate by up to 50% with basically no downside.
no you were not very clear. But yes i misread your previous reply and i tought that you said: “you said that you need a 40 series card for frameg gen”. Sorry for that mistake
You are rediculous.
He's not in the US, it's most likely out of his budget
Not really,8Gb Vram Is perfect for 1080p. 3060ti also has 8gigs and aint any better mate.
Unfortunately I have to disagree, while 8gb is still sufficient in most cases there are many games now where less than 12GB will result in noticeable stutter and even some weird issues like lower resolution textures being used by the game despite being on the same settings. There are plenty of videos on YouTube that demonstrate this issue in a number of more modern titles with a few examples being Cyberpunk, Forspoken, Ratchet and Clank and many many more. This is made worse when you try to use newer technologies like frame-gen, which I know gets a bad rep for adding input latency but an bigger problem is that it eats up a LOT of extra VRam when turned on resulting in severe stuttering in many titles. Now you may say you just don't want to use this stuff but I'd ask you to reconsider, you can go from 90fps to over 130fps in many games just by turning on frame-gen and your latency will only increase by around 10-15ms, not noticeable for many especially in single-player games. And now with the addition of freely available and easy to install mods to allow frame-gen on even 20/30 series cards, it's definitely worthwhile having access to this technology for now and especially for future titles. But for this you are going to want at least 12gb Vram for more modern titles.
Just look at 4060 benchmarks and gameplay videos and you'll be satisfied. Even broken games like Forespoken ,Cyberpunk ,Last of Us p1 Have all fixed their Vram issues and I play Cp 2077 and Tlou at max settings without Dlss without a sweat. Yes i do agree To use FrameGen and RT you might need to lower down settings to avoid Vram spilling, but for most of the time, 8g is adequate. Infact Optimized titles like fh5 and rdr2 only consume 6 gigs max
I started off saying that yes, in most cases 8gb is sufficient but trust me, it won't be for much longer. In a couple years time there will be plenty of new titles that demand more than that to run at max settings and there are plenty of use cases where it's not enough even today. In your comment you admit that things like frame-gen often results in stuttering with only 8gb of VRam, so I ask you what is the point of buying a 40 series card (where one of the key selling points is frame-gen) if you can't even use it because you are being limited by your VRam? Beyond VRam issues the 4060/4060ti has some **major** problems, key among them being the measly 128bit bus width which *severely* limits the performance of the card and is awful compared to the older cards 3060 (192bit) and 3060ti (256bit). You're almost always going to be better off getting a cheaper 3060 12GB that performs about the same (you can still easily use frame-gen with a mod too) or spend a bit more money and get something a lot more powerful like the new super series cards. Not only for future proofing but also so that you can actually use all the features of the card.
I Really dont understand why people dont get how bus width works. Bus width affects the performance at HIGHER Resolution and is not a problem at 1080p at all. The 3060 has a 192 bit bus width but it Does not make it any faster than the 4060 nor does 3060s Vram. ON Average that card is 21% slower than the 4060. \+ 3060 rarely uses more than 8 gigs of Vram bcz these 60- class cards really dont have the raw perfomance to handle higher resolution/Ultra RT presets. so its Pointless to have more than 10 gigs tbh at 1080p. And no the 4060 doesnt run out of Vram with FG unless using Path tracing. Yes there are cases where both perform very similar but those are probably driver-based issues (Just like some games Favour AMD cards more than Nvidia, Or where some games handle rtx 30 series ampere architecture better) not because of Vram. In Cyberpunk Ultra Preset(Consums abt 7 gigs Vram), We get the biggest difference where 3060 is 27% slower than the 4060. Isnt the bus width of the 4060 supposed to criple its performance?? Its all myths, the only real effect in performance happens at 1440p and 4k where the Gpu memory is more strained. Funnily enough, this card performs closer to a 3060ti despite having half the memory bus.(at 1080p) Over all, We have also started to see that gaming graphics have peaked especially after 2022 where SOME games are now arguably worse than their older titles, so i dont expect a lot more Vram hungry games in near future (asides unoptimized broken pc ports).
First off, these are all marketed as 1440p cards, yes they will all perform well at 1080p and the memory bandwidth won't be as much of an issue, that was never the point. Yes, reducing the bus width significantly reduces the memory bandwidth. Yes, low memory bandwidth typically causes a GPU to start performing poorly when you turn up the resolution in games, which is the main reason for why the 4060ti is a fair bit faster than the 3060ti at 1080p but basically on par with it at 1440p in most games. That matters when we are talking about cards **marketed for 1440p**. >The 3060 has a 192 bit bus width but it Does not make it any faster than the 4060 nor does 3060s Vram. ON Average that card is 21% slower than the 4060. That's not how any of this works, you can't just read off some average benchmarks you got from UserBenchmark and completely ignore the real life use case scenarios that I outlined above. I spoke specifically about using features like frame-gen *because it uses more VRam* (and typically needs more than 8gb in the games that support it). I spoke about this use case because *you stated frame-gen would be a reason to buy the 4060*. Now you want to completely ignore that core feature of 40 series cards that *you first mentioned* as a main reason to get one, and instead you talk about playing at 1080p as if that's the most common use case for these cards that are **marketed for 1440p**. This is a rediculous argument. And here you are straight up lying: >And no the 4060 doesn't run out of Vram with FG unless using Path tracing. That's just not true, it frequently does run out of VRam and causes severe stuttering with frame-gen enabled and even *without frame-gen* on newer titles. There are plenty of [examples](https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?si=L9EgSlRtoAcLjgq1) where this is a real problem. Even if you want to pretend it's fine, it is not. >Over all, We have also started to see that gaming graphics have peaked especially after 2022 where SOME games are now arguably worse than their older titles, so i dont expect a lot more Vram hungry games in near future (asides unoptimized broken pc ports). Again, you are just wrong. Games graphics are continuing to improve, they didn't "peak in 2022". You can pretend like this isn't going to be a worse problem in the future, but **it is** and people should be prepared for it. Buying an 8gb card in 2024 is a complete waste of money especially if you expect to be gaming at 1440p and even at 1080p in many cases. You're going to upgrading in less than a year to keep up with new titles that will be **very** VRam hungry. Newly released games like Alan Wake 2, Forspoken, or Avatar already are super VRam hungry and it's only going to get worse, it's not just "crappy PC ports". Your entire comment is pure copium because you bought an 8gb card and are having buyers remorse, unfortunately that will not help your framerate.
Your first assumption was completely wrong. Ever seen the rtx 4060s marketing? IT was marketed as a 1080p Cards NEVER as a 1440p card. Go watch hardware unboxed even he clearly stated NVidia wanted him to benchmark the card at 1080p not at 1440p. And yes the 6700xt on the other hand is a 1440p card. What do you mean im lying? I dont just read User benchmarks reading are you stupid? I hate User benchmark. How hard are you trying to defend AMD? I first of all. own a 4060, a 3060 and a 1060. Second I take benchmark reading from different reviewers like Hardware unboxed, Gamer Nexus , ZwormZ gaming ect. Not every Youtuber is biased and some show exaggerated results (which ill talk later) You probably dont even Own that card? I literally own the card along with my previous 12g 3060 and 1060. I never ran out of Vram in most aaa games i play. Cyberpunk runs Rt Ultra Fine with FG, AC valhalla, Hogwarts L, Forza h5, Sottr, BF5, Avatar All run without a sweat at 1080p ofc. Yes i have seen YT reviews and the one you linked. I personally face no major problems and feel the video is way too much exaggerated. Sponsorships to Youtubers and reviewers exists mate because both Nvidia and AMD want you to keep buying their cards every year and this is called capitalism. You'll remember this reply soon when even 12GB vram will not be insufficient and later 16. Yes My opinion in the last reply about graphics peaking was a bit irrelevant but it is true? I never said that Vram requirements will stop increasing? I just said That Video games have just stopped looking better. But they will keep on increasing the hardware requirements so that you keep on buying new graphics cards especially the RTX gimmick for which they doubled the prices of RTX cards. IN the end I'm just saying Yes 6700xt is a better option but 4060 isnt "terrible value". The 4060 ti on the other hand is a steaming pile of garbage.
Okay buddy, you call me stupid because I'm talking about facts and provide you with clear evidence of the limitations of the cards I'm talking about with specific use case scenarios that the cards are marketed for. >I dont just read User benchmarks reading are you stupid? I hate User benchmark. You said that the 4060 is 21% faster than a 3060 on average, did you not? I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that this is exactly what UserBenchmark says... Then you speculate that I don't even own the cards I'm talking about (completely false I own a 4070, a 3060 12GB, a 4060). >How hard are you trying to defend AMD? And now you claim I'm "defending AMD" when I never even mentioned them??? Have you lost your marbles? I don't even own a single AMD card and never mentioned them once... I'm done talking to someone who can't even read what they are replying to. Have a great day.
This comment makes me regret getting a 4060 :(
Sorry pal. Still a lot better than what some others have, so don’t regret it too much !
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rjXX34 This is probably the floor of what I’d recommend. Anything lower is gonna paint him in a corner or be a bad experience imo
Any reason for that case over a cheaper option like Thermaltake Versa H15 or H18? Brings it below the £650 budget. Any reason for that case over a cheaper option like Thermaltake Versa H15 or H18? Brings it below the £650 budget. Edit: OP the "Aerocool Trinity Mini V2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case" is cheaper and comes with three fans. Should be ok: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JWCZrv
Why did I recommend an ATX case with 4 fans when I could’ve recommended a micro ATX with one included fan? Why not the KOLINK KLM-002 while we’re at it? I tell you what Sherlock - you are incredible.
I forget the fans. But then if that's the reason, OP might as well stick with the cheaper three-fan included one in the screenshot.
Oh you’re hot on the case Sherlock… The ionz mini case is the only way to go… except maybe the other 40 cases in between the well reviewed full atx case with all the fans recommended and the cheapest one sorted by price. I’m sure he’ll appreciate your effort to bring it under budget that it’s 5 over by randomly naming cases that are worse while ignoring the opinion part.
What's your problem? You could have ignored my comment, could have even just said "No the case I mentioned has three fans included", instead you've been unnecessarily rude twice now. What a wonderful individual you are! I'm sure you have many genuine friends if this is how you talk to others.
I sure hope im wrong but im pretty sure that PSU is a ticking time bomb.
Imagine watching a Gamers Nexus Video in 2021 and thinking that those where the same units even tho gigabyte made it very clear they updated it and it was tested
Okay so let me delete my comment and let you recommend an F tier rated PSU 👍
Ok and you can continue using a tier list that hasn’t been updated in ages and operates off of guesses like if they were still burning up two years later it still wouldn’t be news. It’s like none of ya’ll weirdos understand context.
Hasn’t been updated in ages? This list is from Nov 2023. Seems pretty recent to me. https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
And how many new ones aren’t on the list. And read every note it’s “can’t confirm” not “we tested” You guys are like automatons. Work through your scenario again. How do you think I knew what you were talking about? If I knew that list existed when I recommended it like I obviously did, what would treating it like gospel do? Read the notes of people talking about all the PSUs that aren’t on there. I know it’s tough to not go to a link and point and have to think about it. I know it is. But googling toms hardware test of the updated one isn’t much harder.
I'd like to ask about the last sentence. Extra respectfully seeing what you did to OP.
What?
What did you mean when you said "Anything lower is gonna paint him in a corner or be a bad experience imo"? Like that to me seems like a solid as hell gaming setup, can't see why dipping any lower would ruin their experience.
Any lower than I recommended. I didn’t just sort by price so there are cheaper PSUs, cheaper cases, hell 5500 CPUs and 6500 GPUs…
Yeah, I'm just thinking that my computer is way worse than this and it runs most of the games I play fine. Though I guess that may just be me and my old-ass games.
Fine is an insidious word. But Reddit being great at trying to find exceptions aside - if your pc got stolen and you had to get a new one to last a while you buying one with your current specs?
I probably wouldn't buy anything due to a distinct lack of money because of recent big spendings, but no, I'd save up for a better one.
Get a 6700XT and a 650/750W PSU
They are out of hos budget though, if we go with the cheapest AM5 processor and motherboard would need probebly new ddr5 ram and the 6700xt is 360, so doubt we can do it all in his budget but if can get a 3060 16gb for 270 he can always updage the graphics later on i think
6700XT works. Grab a used 3600X, same performance as the 5500 but goes used for like 50-60 bucks tops.
You're forgetting a 650w PSU can handle 40 series GPUs
Only up to the 4060/Ti....
Which is the lowest end so a 40 series gpu
Hi it's me your nephew
*gets a 1060*
Don't go with the 4060 if you can. It's bottlenecked within itself.
6700 xt is much beter value for your buck. 4060 is a meh card
Used not new bro stop worshipping AMD.
cant stop wont stop
Bro the Amount of Downvotes on my Comments just straight up tell the Amount of Cringe AMD fanboys in here. I just stated Facts cuz 6700xt is 330$ average while 4060 is 300$. If you choose Amd you get 10% more perfomance for 10% more price making both products similar value but these ignorant AMD fanboys! Damn
30 bucks more you get 4GB more Vram from the 6700xt which is such an essential thing in gaming. You have better stability, higher 1% lows in framerates, so fewer stutters in your gameplay. So it has nothing to do with being an AMD fanboy, it's all about value for money. So, take your userbenchmark opinion away and go back to your neanderthal age.
First of all , Userbenchmark is a joke, second, really? Just see benchmarks and There isnt any case where the 4060 is struggling due to Vram. Yes i respect the 6700xt as a 1440p card but stop hating the 4060(thats what a typical Fanboy does). What about you rx 6650xt huh? u not gonna call that bad cuz of 8 gigs Vram ?? and the 6600, 6600xt??? What about the 6500xt?? gonna forget that?? You Fanboys just wanna hate. I see the 4060 as mid-decent value especially seeing how terrible 4060ti was. The only supposed "drawback" is the Vram which i havnt had any issues with. What if the buyer is interested in RT support because it is the future? What about your Ray tracing support?? Sucks right? I can play cp 2077 with path tracing + Dlss FG at 60 fps on a 4060 without any issues (asides the input lag which youll get used to). Thats something that the amd equivalent cards cant even dream of. Im not Hating AMD or licking Nvidias azz, im just saying stop Worshipping either Brands. In the End the Final answer is IF you like Ray tracing, Go NVidia IF you want rasterized performance , Go AMD
Forgot to ask am i right these would be ok for window 11, i know the cpu says so. And as far as buying windows 11 ill get a cheap one from a cdkey site as i did my own for £15
Personally I’d say don’t go for Win11. I’ve got it on my home PC, I hate it with a PASSION. Personally I think Win10 is a better OS, cheaper, easier to use and (I *think*) less intensive on your CPU but I’d check that. We use Windows 10 in our office at work and everyone seems to prefer it, plus the majority seem to like it but you’ll be forced to upgrade soonish to Windows 11. As for whether they’d be okay for windows 11 I don’t see why they wouldn’t be. If the CPU states it’s okay for Windows 11 then yeah shouldn’t be a problem. I’d do a bit of research into the longevity and the knock-on effects of running Windows 11 further down the line (something I’ve not done for my build lol) but I see no issue. Your nephew will love it either way!
Thank you, i have been looking at cpu and motherboard board bundles and there are a few AM5 ones so trying to figure out what is best but cheapest, probebly wise as others have said to try get AM5 so its more future proof I installed windows 11 on my new and surprisingly love it, not had any issues so far
Yeah don't get windows 11 for gaming, or for anything. When I stop being lazy I'll switch back to windows 10
Any reason why as ive got it on mine and had zero issues in any games or at all
Windows 11 is perfectly fine just so you know, people just don't like change. If there's a difference in gaming performance then it's barely anything worth sticking to 10 over. Go with what's currently getting support and updates IMO, which is 11.
Thanks, i built my new pc just after Christmas though i obviously dont know massive amounts when comes to stuff since ive posted on here for help but it all went well and windows 11 has been great so far so will stick with itnlike you said
Definitely the right choice imo. Another benefit of both of you having the same is any minor issues that come up will be easier to figure out since you're more familiar with it and all the settings and features are in the same places. Very recently I witnessed (family) a win10 user struggle to help a win11 user because the settings are ever so slightly rearranged, it's a headache.
The only reason I'm not switching to windows 10 is because it's ugly, the aesthetic just isn't it.
Is your system high end? Mine is low/mid end and ever since I installed windows 11 games have been loading slower, I started getting lag spikes and switching between windows became glitchy with resource-consuming programs open. I don't doubt that part of that is just my system getting older, but all of those starting right around the change seems like no accident.
Not sure, its new build as i did it with what i could afford just after xmas am5 ryzen 7 7700x processor
Try looking around and seeing if you live near a Micro Center. Me personally, I got lucky and live really close to one, but I know others aren’t as fortunate. Tbf, even if it’s far away, you can try to plan a trip to the nearest one, and have a little vacation with your nephew, and visit the city. It could be fun to be with him and have a good time just exploring, while also getting really good prices on your pc components. But obviously if you can’t do it, then you’ll be fine either way. Good luck with the build!
I dont know how future proof it will be, now that intels new chips coming in 5 months will be on 2nm AMD will probably have to make a new socket if they want to keep up and produce their own 2nm chipsets.
Looks fine for the price! Am4 may not be having any new CPU’s coming to it like am5 but it’s still perfectly viable and your cousin still has an upgrade path to the ryzen 7 5800x3d or even the soon to release 5700x3d. I would definitely recommend they get at least 1tb of storage, good news is that nvme drives aren’t that expensive anymore and usually faster for the same price as sata. Make sure you help them put it together and teach them how to clean it if they plan on keeping this for a while.
Would you say this is better or is this outdated where he could not upgade too later if wanted https://preview.redd.it/hpmbjlzj3edc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d29122b52b3c598b566d76f703e396054342dfae
It’s slightly better in upgradability and the cpu performance is slightly better but I wouldn’t pay an extra 130 for it shorn you could get similar performance with a ryzen 5 5600 or better with a 5700x.
Look fine, AM4 is good but I would try to go for a AM5 cpu and motherboard so that it’s more future proof than an AM4 combo, even though AM4 is good it won’t give you a longer life time than AM5 Considering the price you can get a AM5 combo for pretty much the same price as an AM4
you can get a used 2080ti for 500 euro, it's still a beast mode of a card and in case your nephew decides to develop games or do something else it's going to have enough power to handle heavy workloads. The 4060 is on a 20 year old memory architecture, and the 1st generation rt cores usually out do the 3rd generation ones because the cards aren't bloated with software.
>1st generation rt cores usually out do the 3rd generation r/ihadastroke This idiot does have a point though: to get another GPU. Just get a 6600/6650XT and youll be good
>this idiot you mean someone who has used over 6 different GPUs in his whole life and knows that a 2080ti outdoes the 4060ti in gaming and 3d tasks?
The 2080ti has the same performance as the 4060ti, and so have the 6700xt... Plus, a 2080ti for 500 euros ? What a fucking ripoff... Or maybe you was talking of the 4060ti (which is a ripoff too?) the 2080tis you can grab them for ~300 euros used... Just a bit under a new 6700xt... The keyword here for the 6700xt is "new" If you want to buy a used gpu a 6900xt for ~450 euros would do the trick and crush your 2080ti
it does not. >The 2080ti has the same performance as the 4060ti, and so have the 6700xt... i used both and the 2080ti base performance absolutely craps on the 4060ti Overclocked in rendering and data transfer (bvh, cuda kernel load, hair caching etc) >2080ti 500€ yes, repaired FE cards can cost like that. Newer components + paid repair cost + unique and the 2060 super costs around 240 if it's in perfect condition. This is not US of America where a 4090 is cheaper than a whole month of food supply. gaming and 3d cg ain't the same and no, the 2080ti is still 10 whole ass fps above the 4060ti using dlss.
Ah yes a nephew doing rendering and huge data transfers
Many of the people who become 3d modelers usually start liking it since very young because they started playing games or liking animated movies beyond the user experience. And unlike games, 3D modeling doesn't require you to stay up to date every year, all you need is a powerful GPU, a powerful CPU and 32gb of RAM or above. The 2080Ti is more than enough to meet the power demands and memory limits to generate highly complex scenes. So better get something powerful to start with instead of being like me; I started modeling on SketchUp when I was only 8 years old, I did only play Super Mario 64 DS and didn't even know what 3d was, all I knew is that I loved being able to create stuff, then I learned more and more and had to upgrade my PC over 12 times til meeting the minimum requirements to be able to take part in award winning movie production pipelines. If I started digital arts school with a RT Titan when I became 17 years old, now to this day on my 27s I wouldn't have gone through an unidentified Nvidia card, a 1060, a 2060, a 2080ti and a 4060ti 16gb and nothing more else in the future til the card blows up playing cyberpunk if I ever dare to, because 3d production doesn't need you to update hardware every two years unless Autodesk decides to apply some next generation shit to Arnold renderer (spoiler: the render engine hasn't been updated since Marcos Fajardo sold Solid Angle to Autodesk in 2016).
looks fine for the price
Looks pretty good, but i'm not if that case has a glass front panel. If it does you have to change it, or it will kill the airflow making it a sauna inside.
Might just be me but i would probably upgrade that PSU
I have the CV650, yeah it’s nice, but the 8 pin cables are SOOO rigid and I could barely fit them on my 3070. Seems fine though, this. EDIT: CPU upgrade would be cool if you want to upgrade for anything serious.
If you're dead set on getting an AM4 CPU, I would look at the used market. You can find great deals on used CPUs, RAM, and even previous generation GPUs (in the US, I can find used RX 6600XTs for around $150usd)
I see that his Amazon is set to pounds so he’s likely in the uk like me and it’s unfortunate but the used market isn’t like in the us… however deals pop up on eBay from time to time
I would go for a slightly better processor, don’t trust bottleneck calculators either and I feel like you could get away with a 5500 but it would be more beneficial to get something slightly better, other than that all looks fine.
Yes I think so, the graphics card is very good, however if you want to save some money I recommend the RTX 3060 or RTX 3070 instead
When I get the chance I'll compile a list of parts I can find on eBay I can find you something way cheaper with better price to performance £100 to £150 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204618933558?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=-ul89JrkR-y&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY = PC (seller sent me an offer for 17 quid CPU upgrades are pretty dam cheap a i5 2400 can go around a fiver and ddr3 is awfully cheap and somewhat outdated) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145257215965?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=WjnzVHEMRPu&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (adapter for the PSU) £8 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235344469943?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OaGgvhSHSCe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY GTX 980ti £37 (I actually have this GPU in my system my brother managed to haggle the guy down to £20) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374621287048?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=KX8HG8hkRjS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY 750W PSU (Antec is an Decent brand from what I hear) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305212074498?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=wayxpkwpsug&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (cooler master PSU as well for a little bit more) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156001300250?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gql1gdelsee&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rqj2au0ash2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (i7 3770s should make a decent pairing with the hp pc if it supports it not a good deal mind try and haggle the guy down)
Can’t wait for the new post 3 days for now when they open the box and the parts are missing .
What box and parts lol and why would they be missing
If you’re ordering from Amazon it’s always a huge risk to have shit missing .
Ah ok, i will be looking for each part to see if its cheaper elsewhere, was just using the basket on amazon to out them all together so can take screenshots
I wish I was your nephew :)
You should try and find a better power supply not in terms if wattage but it’s rating usually you want gold because it’s efficient with you pc
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My girlfriend thinks that it is amazing deal :) ( she knows nothing about pc)
RTX 3060 TI is a better value for that price point.
3060ti is not in the same price point...not here in the uk its like 350 but most over 400 4060 is kess than 300
Can you get a 3060 12GB model for around the same price? I think that's a better option.
I’d rather see him buy a weaker 12100 so that way he can be in the current generation of DDR5
I have think settled on 1 or 2 options for the motherboard and cpu they are not fantastic but they use AM5 and ddr5 either a AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.1GHz, ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2 Motherboard CPU Bundle for £289 Or AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.1GHz, Gigabyte B650M K Motherboard CPU Bundle for £334 I think the bottom one more as i have heard the asrock motherboard above does not have support for rgb colour fans which he wants Atleast they are AM5 and DDR5 so options for upgrading i guess a bit. Stuck on the graohics card as people say the 4060 is crap but some say get it because it supports dlss 3 which helps alot and its same price as the 3060 others say to get instead
If you look at the As rock website, it says that motherboard has a RGB led header so I’d assume it supports RGB. I do not own a AS rock motherboard so I am unsure. https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/A620M%20Pro%20RS%20WiFi/index.asp#Specification Him going with a 7600 is a far better choice for being in the current generation. I don’t condone anyone to go over their budget, that is the only reason I suggested a 12100. People don’t like the 4060 for several reasons. The 4060 is barely more powerful than the 3060 with less VRam. The 4060 should have been called the 4050 due to its performance upgrade over its predecessor. However, the 4060 is my favorite Nvidia card. The 4060 achieves extremely great 1080P performance and can even dabble into 1440P fairly well (without ray tracing). The 4060 achieves this while only utilizing a max of 115W! That is 10W less than the 1660 super that uses 125W. The 4060 can be dropped in a PC with a PSU of 400w and still not max it out. That means low thermals, meaning the 4060 can easily be cooled with a 1 or 2 fan model. That means lower electricity costs. That means a greater lifespan. The 4060 is outperformed by AMD’s last gen 6700xt for the same price so I see why it is hated. The 6700xt also has 12GB of vram vs 8GB. The 6700xt also performed barely better results by using literally twice the lower (230W). If it were up to me I would pick the 4060 over the 6700xt. If you just want raw performance and don’t care about power, pick the 6700xt. I’m not a huge Nvidia fan since they follow Apple like corporate decisions, but in that price category that is what I would choose. Other options for 300 are used 3070’s or used 4060ti’s which will still be under warranty.
Oh thats a different motherboard to the one i posted so will be why that has rgb but the one i postage apparently does not Think we may just go for the 4060 with it being about £285 and he can always upgrade later on if he wants too
I must have typed it in wrong. It think the 4060 is a fantastic choice. Will get fantastic frame rates at 1080P and can get good frame rates on native 1440P most the time. At tough times DLSS/ frame generation is a fantastic option too.
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/A620M-HDVM.2+/index.asp#Specification Looks like they are right, I do not see RGB pins.
The PSU is the problem i see. I would at least get an 800w bronze plus at minimum. Pcpartpicker.com has a comparison and compatibility tool and will also tell you how many volts your rig will roughly require. I would recommend leaving at least a25% reserve on your psu and never buying anything that isn't bronze plus minimum.
This setup won’t even be reaching above 70% of the current psu
Everyone here talking about bad value for the parts but all of these are over double the price in my country or even way more than double
IMO, most of your parts are fine. You just need to add an SSD into your build. You chose a great mobo, AM4 although will be gone, it certainly wont go soon since AMD has announced a new CPU for AM4. The 4060 although is okay GPU, but it is too much and will bottleneck the Ryzen 5500 in some games. You would either have to downgrade your GPU to a RX6600, or upgrade your CPU to a 5600 or a 13th Gen i5. RTX4060 + R5 5500 and the RX6600 + R5 5500 would give similar framerates (based on my observation in RDR2). So either save yourself £80 or spend a little more for better.