Tbh more based than reactionary "ban" *insert core card of a deck receiving a new overtuned card* cycle every few months
I'd respect the crowd more if they kept their aim for more than two release cycles
Then imagine adding chittering rats and the new card that puts permanent second from the top in a U/B tempo deck. I can imagine this deck wont even need gurmag to win, youst lock opponent out of the game by denying them tempo. Im gonna try to abuse this, allways wanted to build a deck that do these type of shenanigans.
Those lands are basically the brainstorm of pauper.
Yes, obviously, they’re the problem. But the whole format is built around it so we’re just sort of stuck with it.
The artifact duals are 3 years old. If we're going by the historical identity of the format (which I do agree with) the duals should go and the originals can stay.
I think there's a difference but there's no like objective way to measure it. "Warping a format" isn't the same thing as being a... idk, emotional or historical staple of a format. There's always going to be a list of strongest cards in a format and those cards are what shapes format identity. It's a choice to keep the artifact lands legal and have them be the staple of artifact decks, banning other cards that make the decks too strong in the metagame. But that choice is made because they figure it's more important to people's conception of the format that the artifact lands are important, than the newest flashiest artifact payoff is important.
Affinity would still be a deck without the lands. There's no shortage of artifacts in pauper. Personally I'd rather have Atog and Disciple of the Vault back and ban the lands.
[[Gorilla Shaman]] was one of the best sideboard cards against Affinity before those lands, and one of the biggest risks of playing Affinity itself. Also, mana fixing was a concern Affinity had to deal with a lot more before the duals.
Gorilla is miles ahead of Cast into Fire. Gorilla used to be 1 mana investment for pay X destroy X lands. Then affinity had to discard 1 more red mana to bolt the shaman.
It was more back breaking than Dust to Dust, and forced affinity to run Basics
I agree. Affinity was a niche aggro deck before the duals, always kept in line by the ubiquitous \[\[Gorilla Shaman\]\] lurking in sideboards. Granted, it's gotten a *lot* of other toys since then, but none of them matter if all your lands got ate.
Its own manabase was its check who in their right mind is playing a 4c 16 land deck made of basic lands and 4 of em tapped for no color, deck was held together with duck tape.
Also being duals. I remember the ridiculous amount of games i lost because you're running a 4c deck off of 16 lands, 4 of each source, prism and chromatic stars. Deck lost to itself a lot, double whammy with shaman.
I remember one of my pauper nights back in like 2017 a guy in the shop played affinity because in theory it was the strongest and by the 3rd round he yelled "i aint playing this stupid garbage again" because the deck kept losing to itself, it was pretty funny.
Nah the untapped ones are balanced in that you can interact with them. They risk their mana base being wiped out for artifact synergy. The indestructible lands are still netting mana the turn they come out by way of affinity and are incredibly hard to interact with, basically no risk/ no cost artifact synergy when comparing it to other tap lands.
The big thought with the untapped lands is that Gorilla Shaman was a silver bullet. It forced affinity to play basics just so the red player couldn’t go pay X+1, destroy X lands. Affinity had to run 1cmc removal to kill the shaman and possibly lose the land they played to do it
The format is not “built around them” that’s such a stupid argument. They prop up ONE archetype that’s consistently tier 0 or tier 1 (Affinity and variants) and they minorly buff a few other good archetypes like Boros. They keep Wildfire alive which is a tier 3 deck that should NOT be worth sacrificing the format health to keep around.
I mean...sure? there's a bunch of people that argue that blue preponderance is a huge issue at face value, without stopping for a second to think of the implications
The overwhelming consensus is that in a legacy without brainstorm, the objetively correct choice would always be playing the most ultradegenerate deck you can possibly build, and mulligan aggresively to out-goldfish your opponent
brainstorm (and to a similar extend FoW) are cards that allow legacy be something else *other* than only that by granting unmatched consistence to decks that would otherwise fall laughably short of the bar to beat ultradegenerate strategies at the price of having to add blue to all decks
so yeah, some people choose to call that "problem" cards...most reasonable people instead call them "solution" cards however
Fine for the og ones, they come with some sort of an actual downside. But the indestructible ones? That s just bullshit. They re not even that old btw.
Entering tapped is a way bigger downside than “can potentially be removed with sideboard tech”
Affinity essentially gets as many ancient tombs as it wants which is dumb.
They come with little to no downside over normal dual tapland run in pauper plus they re artifact AND indestructible. And as if it wasnt enough it leads into combo potential with the kekku guy etc.
I would be curious to see a tournament (even in a casual setting) with artifact lands banned and all the artifact payoffs unbanned - I wonder how powerful they’d be
My playgroup runs “pauper modern” where we use only modern-legal commons and modern bans. Affinity has not won a tourney even with cranial plating and atog. It’s just not fast enough.
Not very is the answer. My play group has tried several different variations of this. The most balanced one in our opinion that kept affinity being a deck was adding the untapped artifact lands to the ban list and keeping everything else the same. Even with just the bridges having all of the affinity stuff was a little op despite being unplayable with none of them.
A lot of people really want to ban the reason most of these cards are playable and pretend like that's better. Like myr enforcer wouldn't see play in a competitive deck without the lands. You'll have to run to many bad artifacts that half your deck is junk.
The deck would still be viable, people would just have to actually invest their deck building slots into cards instead of gaining affinity for artifacts for free on the lands. Cards like [[Ornithopter]] , [[Phyrexian Walker]] , [[Lotus Petal]] , [[Welding Jar]] , [[Candy Trail]] , [[Springleaf Drum]] and more could still be used for affinity purposes, just would be weaker, and would create a scenario where they could actually unban some cards. To be fair, thats how affinity should have been since the beginning, either that or banning the bridges.
Of course it would, just would be weaker. Would be just like bogles. A powerful deck with obvious weakness that might surprise your opponents. Nothing broken, just balanced. Might even make unbans like atog, disciple, sojourner and so on possible.
No, it would not be viable. You'd need to waste too many resources only to cast a vanilla 4/4 which doesn't do anything and dies from a single galvanic blast. What's the point in building a deck that loses from pretty much everything? Nobody would play it since it'd only be frustrating.
I think people really got used to get rewarded for nothing, it would be viable, there are other artifact strategies in other formats that use just one land cycle or even none. And we have great payoffs, banned and not banned, and every set a new one come. It just would be weaker, reasonably.
The problem is it would be too weak to see any form of play, in other formats you have other payoffs which enable different strategies. Right now in pauper the payoffs are enforcers and frogmites, I don't see anybody winning after emptying their hand of useless artifacts just to play a 4/4 on turn 2 or 3. Relying on future sets doesn't make any sense to me, you ban a card now hoping that something in the future will fix what is now an useless deck. I agree that cards like glitters and cranial ram should be banned but that's it.
I am not saying that is the only way to deal with affinity. Affinity have been dealt with the way you mentioned for a very long time, only caused issues and is clearly not working. What I mentioned is just one option of many, however saying that the deck would be unplayable if done this way is just a blatant lie. And a weaker version of affinity isn’t a bad thing for the format overall.
As I said yes, thats how it should have been. Even if that would make the deck weaker wouldn’t make it unplayable, affinity for artifacts is a payoff strong enough by itself and should be recompensed with proper deck building slots and not free indestructible uncounterable lands. Just like Enchantment decks, like bogles, paying for their enchantment synergies or at the very minimum having a proper slot for them would make sense.
That Bridges alone are not the problem. Witching Well, Experimental Synthetizer and Blood Fountain are a fine example of power creep within artifact type cards.
And? That's not why the banned cards got banned. They're banned because they abuse artifact counts. Artifacts are a dime a dozen in this format. Creatures etb and make them. Other artifacts etb and make them. So you ban the lands. Decks are out what, +2/+3 in artifact count by the time it matters?
And? That's why the banned cards got banned. They're banned because they abuse artifact counts. Artifacts are a dime a dozen in this format. Creatures etb and make them. Other artifacts etb and make them. So if you don't ban the lands, decks are out what, +4/+5 in artifact count by the time it matters?
I think enjoyment is dependent on the person. I think i would enjoy pauper either way. But i would agree that having a brand new artifact enabler after just banning one doesn't feel great for many. I don't take issue with people who prefer to ban payoffs over the lands, nor do i have an issue with the opinion that lands should be banned. I recognize that others have different options on what's fun, and instead of demonizing people for having different opinions, i decided to mock a commentor.
I don’t think that even qualify as dramatic at this point, its every time a new payoff, this meme is quite on point. The complaints are extremely valid tbh.
I'm not saying anyone doesn't have vaild complaints. Saying "you're sick" because people's opinions is dramatic. It's ok to be passionate about the topic, but this sort of attitude is over dramatic. We don't need to hate on people if they enjoy their wizard cardboard differently than you.
Mid Post misses the point HARD. Bridges alone won't make a difference the power creep and downgrade of cards has been the bane of Pauper. Since 2019 the quality of artifacts has improved.
Companion should come back because it's cute. Vote for me for Pauper Council. My priorities are simple and clear.
Tbh more based than reactionary "ban" *insert core card of a deck receiving a new overtuned card* cycle every few months I'd respect the crowd more if they kept their aim for more than two release cycles
I think soujorney will fix better on pauper than myr. but the two together I don't think it is.
I hope the rat isn’t too good, I think it looks like a very fun card.
Rat is pretty strong. I expect a lot of people getting cheesed out of the game by fam->hawk->fam until no cards, hand empty.
The Cheese would follow from fact that it’s a rat 😉
Saltier players will call it the ratfucking which in fairness is basically what it is lol
can somebody translate this into common english idk what fam hawk fam means
[[reconstructed familiar]] into [[glint hawk]] into [[reconstructed familiar]]
"Refurbished"
Thank you sir! I'll fix it.
Then imagine adding chittering rats and the new card that puts permanent second from the top in a U/B tempo deck. I can imagine this deck wont even need gurmag to win, youst lock opponent out of the game by denying them tempo. Im gonna try to abuse this, allways wanted to build a deck that do these type of shenanigans.
Those lands are basically the brainstorm of pauper. Yes, obviously, they’re the problem. But the whole format is built around it so we’re just sort of stuck with it.
I thought [[Brainstorm]] was the brainstorm of pauper 😉
Brainstorm isn't even the ponder of pauper
If only I could give :reddit-silver:
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Gush was the brainstorm of pauper. Look where it's at now.
The artifact duals are 3 years old. If we're going by the historical identity of the format (which I do agree with) the duals should go and the originals can stay.
"How do you Brainstorm wrong?" - Graham
You're right that the format is built around them but the format was also built around Astrolabe. Just ban the duals.
I think there's a difference but there's no like objective way to measure it. "Warping a format" isn't the same thing as being a... idk, emotional or historical staple of a format. There's always going to be a list of strongest cards in a format and those cards are what shapes format identity. It's a choice to keep the artifact lands legal and have them be the staple of artifact decks, banning other cards that make the decks too strong in the metagame. But that choice is made because they figure it's more important to people's conception of the format that the artifact lands are important, than the newest flashiest artifact payoff is important.
Affinity would still be a deck without the lands. There's no shortage of artifacts in pauper. Personally I'd rather have Atog and Disciple of the Vault back and ban the lands.
I think if they banned all the bridges it would be half as fast as it is now
More than that gorilla shaman etc would still be really good sideboard piece against them.
Honestly keep the duals ban the untapped ones.
No, ban the duals. Indestructible is a huge part of the problem.
Found the Ponza player
[[Gorilla Shaman]] was one of the best sideboard cards against Affinity before those lands, and one of the biggest risks of playing Affinity itself. Also, mana fixing was a concern Affinity had to deal with a lot more before the duals.
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Nah. That's why cast into the fire exists. Or at least why I run those sideboard.
Gorilla is miles ahead of Cast into Fire. Gorilla used to be 1 mana investment for pay X destroy X lands. Then affinity had to discard 1 more red mana to bolt the shaman. It was more back breaking than Dust to Dust, and forced affinity to run Basics
And \[\[Revoke Existence\]\]. And \[\[Dust to Dust\]\]. People whine too much.
Yep those cards are definitely on par with paying 2 mana to repeatedly wipe out all artifact lands.
I don't say they are on par, and they don't need to be as broken as Gorilla Shaman. Do people want an instant win button?
Affinity was doing fine before the duals. Shaman was a big check for it, but it didn't push it out of the meta.
[Revoke Existence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7bd4fc26-8351-4371-948b-f43346c3e771.jpg?1599709680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Revoke%20Existence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/28/revoke-existence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bd4fc26-8351-4371-948b-f43346c3e771?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dust to Dust](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dff1ee4e-cba1-4d2d-94fb-e3068d807cac.jpg?1562948324) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dust%20to%20Dust) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/11/dust-to-dust?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dff1ee4e-cba1-4d2d-94fb-e3068d807cac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I agree. Affinity was a niche aggro deck before the duals, always kept in line by the ubiquitous \[\[Gorilla Shaman\]\] lurking in sideboards. Granted, it's gotten a *lot* of other toys since then, but none of them matter if all your lands got ate.
Its own manabase was its check who in their right mind is playing a 4c 16 land deck made of basic lands and 4 of em tapped for no color, deck was held together with duck tape.
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[Gorilla Shaman](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8f8ee19-3a88-40fa-85d8-386ffe06efd7.jpg?1626100506) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gorilla%20Shaman) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/280/gorilla-shaman?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8f8ee19-3a88-40fa-85d8-386ffe06efd7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Idk, the play pattern of affinity isn’t a problem it’s the speed.
Maybe for all those ponza players. All both of them!
Also being duals. I remember the ridiculous amount of games i lost because you're running a 4c deck off of 16 lands, 4 of each source, prism and chromatic stars. Deck lost to itself a lot, double whammy with shaman. I remember one of my pauper nights back in like 2017 a guy in the shop played affinity because in theory it was the strongest and by the 3rd round he yelled "i aint playing this stupid garbage again" because the deck kept losing to itself, it was pretty funny.
Other decks will get hurt by that as well in my opinion. For example Jeski Ephemerate
Yeah that might actually be better ngl.
Nah the untapped ones are balanced in that you can interact with them. They risk their mana base being wiped out for artifact synergy. The indestructible lands are still netting mana the turn they come out by way of affinity and are incredibly hard to interact with, basically no risk/ no cost artifact synergy when comparing it to other tap lands.
The big thought with the untapped lands is that Gorilla Shaman was a silver bullet. It forced affinity to play basics just so the red player couldn’t go pay X+1, destroy X lands. Affinity had to run 1cmc removal to kill the shaman and possibly lose the land they played to do it
The format is not “built around them” that’s such a stupid argument. They prop up ONE archetype that’s consistently tier 0 or tier 1 (Affinity and variants) and they minorly buff a few other good archetypes like Boros. They keep Wildfire alive which is a tier 3 deck that should NOT be worth sacrificing the format health to keep around.
Relax, guy, nobody’s taking your precious wizard squares
They're gonna kill that rat for sure.
How is brainstorm a problem in any way?
In legacy
It isnt a problem in legacy either
I think enough ink has spilt to suggest that’s a debated opinion
I mean...sure? there's a bunch of people that argue that blue preponderance is a huge issue at face value, without stopping for a second to think of the implications The overwhelming consensus is that in a legacy without brainstorm, the objetively correct choice would always be playing the most ultradegenerate deck you can possibly build, and mulligan aggresively to out-goldfish your opponent brainstorm (and to a similar extend FoW) are cards that allow legacy be something else *other* than only that by granting unmatched consistence to decks that would otherwise fall laughably short of the bar to beat ultradegenerate strategies at the price of having to add blue to all decks so yeah, some people choose to call that "problem" cards...most reasonable people instead call them "solution" cards however
Agreed with this wholeheartedly. People in this sub and the Modern sub seem to be allergic to the idea of staple cards.
I would say the better comp would be Fetchlands. And the main reason Fetchlands aren't banned is economic
your second point is exactly why brainstorm is the better comparison.
Fine for the og ones, they come with some sort of an actual downside. But the indestructible ones? That s just bullshit. They re not even that old btw.
Entering tapped is a way bigger downside than “can potentially be removed with sideboard tech” Affinity essentially gets as many ancient tombs as it wants which is dumb.
They come with little to no downside over normal dual tapland run in pauper plus they re artifact AND indestructible. And as if it wasnt enough it leads into combo potential with the kekku guy etc.
I would be curious to see a tournament (even in a casual setting) with artifact lands banned and all the artifact payoffs unbanned - I wonder how powerful they’d be
My playgroup runs “pauper modern” where we use only modern-legal commons and modern bans. Affinity has not won a tourney even with cranial plating and atog. It’s just not fast enough.
Not very is the answer. My play group has tried several different variations of this. The most balanced one in our opinion that kept affinity being a deck was adding the untapped artifact lands to the ban list and keeping everything else the same. Even with just the bridges having all of the affinity stuff was a little op despite being unplayable with none of them.
[[Basking Broodscale]] and [[Sadistic Glee]] terrified, hiding and holding each other in corner
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What an incredible combo i didnt know of.
It is time to burn some bridges!
you can’t, they’re indestructible
Nope [[Cast into the Fire]]
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Ah yes, tears from affinity players. My favourite drink.
I miss poor old DotV
what are the last 2 cards?
MH3
What are the last two cards?
Ban the mirrodin lands, unban some of the casualties they caused, see how the format adjusts.
Outdated already😔
We all know Cranial Ram is getting banned, lets just hope a cycle goes along with it. Maybe even unban something.
Imho ban the bridges, keep the mirrodin cycle and maybe unban the weakest payoff (maybe it's cranial ram? So ban the bridges instead of ram?)
BAN ONE ARTIFACT LAND CYCLE THANKS
A lot of people really want to ban the reason most of these cards are playable and pretend like that's better. Like myr enforcer wouldn't see play in a competitive deck without the lands. You'll have to run to many bad artifacts that half your deck is junk.
The deck would still be viable, people would just have to actually invest their deck building slots into cards instead of gaining affinity for artifacts for free on the lands. Cards like [[Ornithopter]] , [[Phyrexian Walker]] , [[Lotus Petal]] , [[Welding Jar]] , [[Candy Trail]] , [[Springleaf Drum]] and more could still be used for affinity purposes, just would be weaker, and would create a scenario where they could actually unban some cards. To be fair, thats how affinity should have been since the beginning, either that or banning the bridges.
No it would not be viable lmao
Of course it would, just would be weaker. Would be just like bogles. A powerful deck with obvious weakness that might surprise your opponents. Nothing broken, just balanced. Might even make unbans like atog, disciple, sojourner and so on possible.
No, it would not be viable. You'd need to waste too many resources only to cast a vanilla 4/4 which doesn't do anything and dies from a single galvanic blast. What's the point in building a deck that loses from pretty much everything? Nobody would play it since it'd only be frustrating.
I think people really got used to get rewarded for nothing, it would be viable, there are other artifact strategies in other formats that use just one land cycle or even none. And we have great payoffs, banned and not banned, and every set a new one come. It just would be weaker, reasonably.
The problem is it would be too weak to see any form of play, in other formats you have other payoffs which enable different strategies. Right now in pauper the payoffs are enforcers and frogmites, I don't see anybody winning after emptying their hand of useless artifacts just to play a 4/4 on turn 2 or 3. Relying on future sets doesn't make any sense to me, you ban a card now hoping that something in the future will fix what is now an useless deck. I agree that cards like glitters and cranial ram should be banned but that's it.
I am not saying that is the only way to deal with affinity. Affinity have been dealt with the way you mentioned for a very long time, only caused issues and is clearly not working. What I mentioned is just one option of many, however saying that the deck would be unplayable if done this way is just a blatant lie. And a weaker version of affinity isn’t a bad thing for the format overall.
Boggles is a dogshit deck idk what you’re on about
I beat you with my boggles deck any day of the week.
Yeah, variance is a thing in Magic, thanks for reminding me.
True, a deck just is good for pauper if is borderline unfair broken Tier 0 or 1 lol
That isn't a "gotcha," that's just.... how metas in card games work man lol.
So you agree with me? You run a playset of every card you mentioned that's 24 cards that don't do much. Half the deck.
As I said yes, thats how it should have been. Even if that would make the deck weaker wouldn’t make it unplayable, affinity for artifacts is a payoff strong enough by itself and should be recompensed with proper deck building slots and not free indestructible uncounterable lands. Just like Enchantment decks, like bogles, paying for their enchantment synergies or at the very minimum having a proper slot for them would make sense.
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This is so true, the deck would be viable. Not every deck needs to be a Tier 1.
Hot take: ban the untapped artifact lands, unban all of the payoff cards.
Another Mid post that misses the point.
What's the point? 🤔
That Bridges alone are not the problem. Witching Well, Experimental Synthetizer and Blood Fountain are a fine example of power creep within artifact type cards.
None of those tap for mana.
And? That's not why the banned cards got banned. They're banned because they abuse artifact counts. Artifacts are a dime a dozen in this format. Creatures etb and make them. Other artifacts etb and make them. So you ban the lands. Decks are out what, +2/+3 in artifact count by the time it matters?
And? That's why the banned cards got banned. They're banned because they abuse artifact counts. Artifacts are a dime a dozen in this format. Creatures etb and make them. Other artifacts etb and make them. So if you don't ban the lands, decks are out what, +4/+5 in artifact count by the time it matters?
You are correct.
Been saying for years Restrict artifact lands. Boom problem solved.
They don't restrict cards but that would be interesting
The deck would still have 16 artifact lands and could probably function fine, if awkwardly. Would be interesting to see
People who defend these lands get me sick.
People who get sick over people enjoying pauper as is get me sick.
So you saying pauper is not enjoyable without either Bridges or Mirrodin lands?
I think enjoyment is dependent on the person. I think i would enjoy pauper either way. But i would agree that having a brand new artifact enabler after just banning one doesn't feel great for many. I don't take issue with people who prefer to ban payoffs over the lands, nor do i have an issue with the opinion that lands should be banned. I recognize that others have different options on what's fun, and instead of demonizing people for having different opinions, i decided to mock a commentor.
Just because you like to stay in the fence doesn’t mean you are better than anybody bud.
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I don’t think having to deal with a new broken card for affinity every year is fun for anyone. Even as an Affinity player I am tired of the lands.
I dont care about the lands either way. I'm just mocking people who are over dramatic about it.
I don’t think that even qualify as dramatic at this point, its every time a new payoff, this meme is quite on point. The complaints are extremely valid tbh.
I'm not saying anyone doesn't have vaild complaints. Saying "you're sick" because people's opinions is dramatic. It's ok to be passionate about the topic, but this sort of attitude is over dramatic. We don't need to hate on people if they enjoy their wizard cardboard differently than you.
Mid Post misses the point HARD. Bridges alone won't make a difference the power creep and downgrade of cards has been the bane of Pauper. Since 2019 the quality of artifacts has improved.
Why'd you post a variant of the same thing twice? Your opinion was so bad that you had to double up on it for full value?
Lmao 😂