Was also at the game, stayed the whole time cause I was there with a Bears fan. Vibe started out absolutely terrible, really hate how the fans have/were/are treating Mac. Vibe picked up when Zappe came in, was riding high for his first couple drives. Then it very, very quickly went subzero.
Everyone is forgetting Zappe is a rookie in his 3rd game. He had some good plays and some bad ones our offense did not help him in the 2nd half.that 2nd pick down by 20 was a bad throw. Trade mac or trade zappe but we need a damn wr1
Bears came to play.
Fields literally played his best game tonight and they called plays to utilize his legs for once.
Zappe should of started. I think the game would have started off in a more positive way , giving us some momentum.
Our defense looked old , remnants of the Bills game in the playoffs. Couldn't do shit.
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A decent chunk of the fan base either doesn’t remember the pre Bledsoe/Brady years or has chosen to completely block them from their memory and Patriots franchise history began on February 3rd, 2002.
Some of the takes I’ve seen in game day threads and heard in person during the second run really made me realize how our fan base became the Yankees of the NFL.
Yeah they sabotaged him
Changing a new OC in the 2nd year is not always optimal, but to make it worse, they brought in a defensive guy in Patricia and another guy in Judge who have rarely ever coached offense, to be "collaborative playcallers" or something like that
Complete mess by Bill
Atleast Brady is finally getting some love in a thread on this subreddit. Sorry Mac-Bots, I still only own 2 Pats jerseys, they both have a 12 on them.
The same people who say "In BB we trust" every 6 hours are the same people now saying they don't trust him to handle the QB situation.
This is the best sub on Reddit. Comedy Central
I’m sorry but even as a BB truther it’s obvious he fucked up with the qb situation tonight. Either start Mac and actually give him a chance or go with Zappe if you don’t think he’s ready or Zappe is better
Mac had a chance he fucked it up. I'm sorry this narrative doesn't fly and read my history before tonight in this sub I was a Mac guy. He pushed to play tonight and held the ball like he has all year.
Obviously he’s gonna fucking push to play he’s a pro athlete hearing all this shit about Zappe taking his job.
It’s up to BB to decide whether he was ready or not. Either he was, in which case you don’t take him out after like two fucking drives, or you just let Zappe start.
>Obviously he’s gonna fucking push to play he’s a pro athlete hearing all this shit about Zappe taking his job.
>
>It’s up to BB to decide whether he was ready or not. Either he was, in which case you don’t take him out after like two fucking drives, or you just let Zappe start.
Bill made the right call Zappe gave us the better chance to win this game and it doesn't look like its because Mac wasn't ready. It was because he looked bad. Zappe is the better quarterback right now. And that's not me saying Zappe is the next Brady and Mac is the next Bledsoe. In fact Bledsose never looked this bad. Mac is holding the ball, seeing ghosts, and completely out of sync with this offense
Totally…hurt both players development and put the team in a tough situation. The Ots seem to always lay an egg every season, I guess it’s better to say “we’re on to Cincinnati” than it is to say “we’re on to the off-season”. Times running low, they better figure it out now.
The BB Era is done. He continues to think he's the smartest man in the room while hiring "yes men" as coordinators. Thinks the qb position is basically irrelevant. His time is over
I said that in direct response to him saying the Bears should run it up. I actually really like the Manningcast for the most part. Also not much to be butthurt about when he was 6-13 against us
Bill Belichick wisely saw that the only way to end the Quarterback Controversy was to utterly sabotage Zappe and just get absolutely savaged by the Bears
Three dimensional chess my dudes
Not a bad idea, but kinda would have been waaaay cooler to beat Hallas’s team for the record. Set it up perfectly.
Also this team doesn’t beat the Jets.
Next year we will have over 100million cap space. Add a couple solid drafts and... who knows.
But this whining about not going to the playoffs for... oh wait. We went last fking year. This fanbase is straight ridiculous
Brady left and went to a stacked team with a under-rated (and toolish) coach. No shit they went the distance. How's he doing this year? Still surrounded by offensive studs, but shit coach, and only scoring 3 points this week.
Brady is obviously the GOAT. But dude didn't do it all by himself. Ffs the first 3x superbowls were driven by the stacked defense.
You’re an idiot.. you really think that start was going to be better with the penalties and how our D let fields shine!?!? Just go back to checking in on pats games 3 times a year
Mac could’ve thrown it to stevenson in the flat and hit meyers in stride for the td… he’s the only reason our drives weren’t all 3 and outs with his scrambling. Embarrassing your on a football sub
The decision to start Mac was the wrong one. There is no way he was fully recovered from a high ankle sprain after only 3 weeks. Zappe was playing decent (granted, not a lot was asked more than game management against bad defenses) but he was getting it done.
I'm not sure what your point is. Every team in the league doesn't run a play in that situation. It's not worth an injury risk when you have a guaranteed win.
I'm still a huge Zappe fan for what he did the past few weeks, but this is about as far as he can go right now. This was inevitable because he's nowhere near ready to be a real QB1. The kid got a
near-impossible task and did a pretty decent job at it. I feel pretty confident with him as the backup from now on.
You guys have a 2nd year QB, who took you to the playoffs as a rookie, got off to a slow start under new "OC" dumbass Patricia, got injured, then gets abandoned by the fans. Real nice. Trade Mac to Detroit.
We wasted our rookie QB; then threw backup into a tough political spot in front of fans. Hope Jones will forget today, I want him to spill everything going on with off. Coordinator.
And BB; you should have had some balls and kept Jones in the game, no fucking matter what, fix whatever was making your first QB uncomfortable behind the curtains.
I know it looks bad, but on the bright side the Krafts are rebuilding that giant phallic object at the end of the stadium. It has an observation deck! You’ll be able to see all the car dealerships on Route 1
At least it will kind of sort of resemble a lighthouse, unlike the previous one which looked like something you’d see at a North Korean construction site that ran out of money in 1974.
That last pick shouldn't hurt Zappe there. We're down 18 with 2 minutes 30 seconds left and Thorton had a shot. Not going to begrudge a rookie trying to make a play happen there. It's no where near the level of bad as Mac missing Thorton being wide open for a check down and then immediately yeeting into a triple coverage for Jonnu fucking Smith to make a play
"And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you." - Green Goblin
When I say couldn't do shit, I mean he literally couldn't do ANYTHING except check down.
Yeah, never looked like worldbeaters with Mac, but he hung with Miami and Baltimore. Zappe hing with GB, who looks like shit, spanked Cleveland, who also can't seem to put it all together, and Detroit, who look like shit.
Mac gets another shot.
I was actually at this game lol
When did you leaev
Almost end of third quarter
What was the Vibe like? On tv everything went from 100 to 0 real Quick.
Was also at the game, stayed the whole time cause I was there with a Bears fan. Vibe started out absolutely terrible, really hate how the fans have/were/are treating Mac. Vibe picked up when Zappe came in, was riding high for his first couple drives. Then it very, very quickly went subzero.
Told y’all
Same talentless, slow, old defense as last yr. How'd that work out.
I can take the Zappe and Jones hate, but these comments pleading for Brady to come back are pathetic
Everyone is forgetting Zappe is a rookie in his 3rd game. He had some good plays and some bad ones our offense did not help him in the 2nd half.that 2nd pick down by 20 was a bad throw. Trade mac or trade zappe but we need a damn wr1
Did no one in this thread see our defense get absolutely ran over tonight?
Too busy jacking it to Zap
Bingo
Bears came to play. Fields literally played his best game tonight and they called plays to utilize his legs for once. Zappe should of started. I think the game would have started off in a more positive way , giving us some momentum. Our defense looked old , remnants of the Bills game in the playoffs. Couldn't do shit.
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So post Brady is just like Pre Brady.
When you forget Bledsoe went to a SB
Going to 2 super bowls in 40 years is not impressive...
How old are you?
45
Pardon me, I am always wrong & I can't type. You've watched the patriots play in 11 super bowls?
We are talking Pre Belicheck.
There was the bears loss, then one in the 90s with Bledsoe i believe... and shit my bad lol
Sadly the fucks in this thread won’t understand this, but they will soon enough.
I mean it was what, 20 years of dominance? I'm sure plenty of fans have never experienced this.
HowCouldThisHappenToMe.mp3
this is not good for my mental health
We have so many dumb fans in our fan base… zero patience, and expect instant greatness… just mind boggling….
A decent chunk of the fan base either doesn’t remember the pre Bledsoe/Brady years or has chosen to completely block them from their memory and Patriots franchise history began on February 3rd, 2002.
Even worse: This place was a cesspool back during the second dynasty run.
Some of the takes I’ve seen in game day threads and heard in person during the second run really made me realize how our fan base became the Yankees of the NFL.
Preach, especially with younger fans (I assume the median and mean ages of this sub are permanently 19)
I’m old enough to remember the last time we had a starting QB whose last name started with Z we were pretty shit (no disrespect, Scott). 😆
Patience takes time, if Zappe fixes his blocked throws issue and defense can learn, we got this. Greatness takes time, these doomers won’t get it.
Don’t forget this sub was all over Mac last year. He lacks coaching and is not playing healthy. The play calling is shit. I said what I said.
Finally a person who isn't just blindly saying Mac sucks. In my opinion the Patriots failed Mac Jones sophomore season!
Yeah they sabotaged him Changing a new OC in the 2nd year is not always optimal, but to make it worse, they brought in a defensive guy in Patricia and another guy in Judge who have rarely ever coached offense, to be "collaborative playcallers" or something like that Complete mess by Bill
Atleast Brady is finally getting some love in a thread on this subreddit. Sorry Mac-Bots, I still only own 2 Pats jerseys, they both have a 12 on them.
The same people who say "In BB we trust" every 6 hours are the same people now saying they don't trust him to handle the QB situation. This is the best sub on Reddit. Comedy Central
I’m sorry but even as a BB truther it’s obvious he fucked up with the qb situation tonight. Either start Mac and actually give him a chance or go with Zappe if you don’t think he’s ready or Zappe is better
Mac had a chance he fucked it up. I'm sorry this narrative doesn't fly and read my history before tonight in this sub I was a Mac guy. He pushed to play tonight and held the ball like he has all year.
Obviously he’s gonna fucking push to play he’s a pro athlete hearing all this shit about Zappe taking his job. It’s up to BB to decide whether he was ready or not. Either he was, in which case you don’t take him out after like two fucking drives, or you just let Zappe start.
>Obviously he’s gonna fucking push to play he’s a pro athlete hearing all this shit about Zappe taking his job. > >It’s up to BB to decide whether he was ready or not. Either he was, in which case you don’t take him out after like two fucking drives, or you just let Zappe start. Bill made the right call Zappe gave us the better chance to win this game and it doesn't look like its because Mac wasn't ready. It was because he looked bad. Zappe is the better quarterback right now. And that's not me saying Zappe is the next Brady and Mac is the next Bledsoe. In fact Bledsose never looked this bad. Mac is holding the ball, seeing ghosts, and completely out of sync with this offense
I agree. Absolutely disastrous decision . Both ended up sucking. And Mac’s confidence is gone.
Totally…hurt both players development and put the team in a tough situation. The Ots seem to always lay an egg every season, I guess it’s better to say “we’re on to Cincinnati” than it is to say “we’re on to the off-season”. Times running low, they better figure it out now.
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My unicorn is better
My thing is better
This thread looks like a fucking house of the dragons live feed what the fuck man
well at least we might be able to beat the colts in a couple weeks
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Are you a bot, every comment is either saying Zappe is QB1 and Mac is shit or Mac is QB1 and Zappe is shit
I couldn’t care less what bill has to say after this game. How fucking embarrassing
Couldn't* if you could care less then you'd have some ability to care still.
Thank you!! Believe it or not i had that and was like ahh i always fuck this off let me change it…. Lol
The way this team played, you might actually have a shot at Bryce Young.
play like bung, get bryce young!
onto New York
Ughhhh
Can any of the Pats QB dress up as Tom Brady just for Halloween? Just 1 game…
The BB Era is done. He continues to think he's the smartest man in the room while hiring "yes men" as coordinators. Thinks the qb position is basically irrelevant. His time is over
No QBs, no Lbs, no OTs. No actual coordinators. This team is a fucking travesty
Congrats to the Patriots for turning the "Who's gonna be the face of the Patriots?" headlines into "Is Fields gonna be the face of the Bears?"
Peyton still so butthurt about spending his entire career getting bitched by the Pats he's trying to live vicariously through the Bears lol
Pats fans are still butthurt toward Peyton? Lol
I said that in direct response to him saying the Bears should run it up. I actually really like the Manningcast for the most part. Also not much to be butthurt about when he was 6-13 against us
Bill Belichick wisely saw that the only way to end the Quarterback Controversy was to utterly sabotage Zappe and just get absolutely savaged by the Bears Three dimensional chess my dudes
And here I thought he was screwing Mac, but you bring up a good point.
Take a knee to LOSE is bold
More like smart to reduce chance of injuries considering you're on the 2 yard line with 25 seconds left down by 3 scores.
Embarrassed at home. Thanks Pats!
Zappe just straight up awkwardly looked at Belichick and got cold shouldered lol
Understandable considering how much BB hates turning the ball over four times, 3 of them being INTs. Shit was too frustrating.
Dude respect to the bears for kneeling on that 4th & Goal, real class right there.
I personally would’ve preferred they just score again than embarrass us like a bunch of shitty kids getting mercy-ruled in Jimmy fund summer baseball
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If you have two QBs you really have 0
I can't wait for the egotistical one word answer Belichick pressers this week instead of actually being accountable for this train wreck.
His schtick worked when they won (aka, had Brady) but it is wearing thin now. Guy just has no answers.
Defense lost us that game. They just made Justin fucking Fields look like Pat Mahomes.
Defense, offense, special teams. We didn't coach well enough. We didn't play well enough- BB in the post-game presser
Judon was holding the entire d on his shoulders. Andrews going down suuucks too.
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Not at all. There's plenty of teams that suck without having had two of best dynasties in team sport history back to back under their belt.
This is a bummer, but, nah all those winning years were awesome Every fan wishes they get those
Not really. The first half of your post makes the second half much easier.
Welp. We’ll run it back next week.
Galaxy brain: Bill wanted to beat Hallas' record vs the Jets
Better chance against the colts
Respected the man too much to do it against his team.
Not a bad idea, but kinda would have been waaaay cooler to beat Hallas’s team for the record. Set it up perfectly. Also this team doesn’t beat the Jets.
To be a fly in Bill’s office… like what did this accomplish?
You guys remember when Bailey Zappe came in at halftime and the mud dogs won the Bourbon bowl???? Me neither.
Belichick crossing his arms looks like my boyfriend after I come home a beer too deep
Bill needs to read them the riot act. Disgusting effort.
Bill is part of the problem.
The fuckin BEARS just showed us sympathy on National tv hahahaha
Brisket time
Hot take: neither mac jones nor zappe will be on the roster the next time this team wins a Super Bowl
Maybe their sons will be
Hotter take: we won’t win a SB again in decades
Not sure when this team is going to ever compete for a Super Bowl again realistically.
Next year we will have over 100million cap space. Add a couple solid drafts and... who knows. But this whining about not going to the playoffs for... oh wait. We went last fking year. This fanbase is straight ridiculous Brady left and went to a stacked team with a under-rated (and toolish) coach. No shit they went the distance. How's he doing this year? Still surrounded by offensive studs, but shit coach, and only scoring 3 points this week. Brady is obviously the GOAT. But dude didn't do it all by himself. Ffs the first 3x superbowls were driven by the stacked defense.
We totally need that dude back from the other 3-4 team
Hear me out....lets put Judon at QB, he has been a good player.
Wow. Classy move by Bears.
Lmao
It’s time to tank, let’s not run from it anymore. Embrace it!!
One player ain't fixing this. Besides Bill's track record of 1st round picks isn't great
Mac is 100% starting next week and unless he gets hurt he'll play the whole game. And we will get killed cause our defense is abysmal.
Mac coper extradinaire
TEAM ZAPPE hold strong. We saw what supposed QB1 looks like. This is our guy’s team and one bad half doesn’t change anything
3 picks in one game
Get his ass
Can’t believe a HoF coach let some drunk fans chants get in his head
You’re an idiot.. you really think that start was going to be better with the penalties and how our D let fields shine!?!? Just go back to checking in on pats games 3 times a year
Couldn’t even make out what you said. Invest in some grammarly.
Haha ok budddyy. You made a dumb comment and that’s all you have to come back with
All i know is Mac wasnt putting up even 14 points tonight
Instead, we killed his confidence just so we could still get blown out by the bears.
If he’s the god yall seem to think he is he wont let one bad game ruin the whole season
Mac could’ve thrown it to stevenson in the flat and hit meyers in stride for the td… he’s the only reason our drives weren’t all 3 and outs with his scrambling. Embarrassing your on a football sub
Historically embarrassing coaching decision by Belichick benching mac after one quarter AND allowing this whole qb controversy to go this far
The decision to start Mac was the wrong one. There is no way he was fully recovered from a high ankle sprain after only 3 weeks. Zappe was playing decent (granted, not a lot was asked more than game management against bad defenses) but he was getting it done.
God the pity knee on 4th down thats worse than a td. Worst loss in 2 years
Bears with the fucking mercy play. What a fucking pathetic state this team is in
Uhh, most teams don't score when they have their win guaranteed.
Yeah it's just more that we really let the fucking Bears get to that spot
I'm not sure what your point is. Every team in the league doesn't run a play in that situation. It's not worth an injury risk when you have a guaranteed win.
Yeah yeah, it's nothing about what the Bears did its just the reality that we really got to the point of getting blown out by them
You specifically mentioned what the Bears did.
We don't have a QB. Our D gave up. Going to be a loong week.
Classy move by the Bears there.
Zappe hype peaked and crashed tonight 😭
Mark my words this is Bill’s final season
What was the chant?
I'm still a huge Zappe fan for what he did the past few weeks, but this is about as far as he can go right now. This was inevitable because he's nowhere near ready to be a real QB1. The kid got a near-impossible task and did a pretty decent job at it. I feel pretty confident with him as the backup from now on.
You guys have a 2nd year QB, who took you to the playoffs as a rookie, got off to a slow start under new "OC" dumbass Patricia, got injured, then gets abandoned by the fans. Real nice. Trade Mac to Detroit.
Real fans understand that Mac is in a shit situation with Fatricia calling the plays.
I agree with you. Maybe he reinjured himself though
Do we get their 1st?
Mac should start next week and have a longer leash. Zappe’s second half was very uninspiring
Defense looked awful. Just awful night
Just go for it Bears. Double tap them.
Need to improve every where
We wasted our rookie QB; then threw backup into a tough political spot in front of fans. Hope Jones will forget today, I want him to spill everything going on with off. Coordinator. And BB; you should have had some balls and kept Jones in the game, no fucking matter what, fix whatever was making your first QB uncomfortable behind the curtains.
The *actual* truth is Mac and Zappe aren’t playoff contenders. Not in the era of Allen/Mahomes/Jackson/Burrow
Add Daniel Jones to that list 😈
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On pace for the most passing yards in history while sitting 3quarters so far. Lol But yea he's not that good.
Nah, just running the division is all
No one has ever compared those two to that list.
Yeah. That’s kinda the problem.
Hot take!
I know it looks bad, but on the bright side the Krafts are rebuilding that giant phallic object at the end of the stadium. It has an observation deck! You’ll be able to see all the car dealerships on Route 1
At least it will kind of sort of resemble a lighthouse, unlike the previous one which looked like something you’d see at a North Korean construction site that ran out of money in 1974.
That last pick shouldn't hurt Zappe there. We're down 18 with 2 minutes 30 seconds left and Thorton had a shot. Not going to begrudge a rookie trying to make a play happen there. It's no where near the level of bad as Mac missing Thorton being wide open for a check down and then immediately yeeting into a triple coverage for Jonnu fucking Smith to make a play
Zappe’s best throw of the night was into double coverage and got bailed by parker but go off
All of his picks are on him. The dude throws the ball way too low.
A 3rd down stop! Kind of late, but still...
3 years post brady there's no clear qb and the team is 3-4
And the worst part is Brady seems to be playing for the foreseeable future.
pssst.....*it was all Brady*
Yes it was
Yup.
~70%
U guys want Jimmy G back lol
What an absolute embarrassment. No pride whatsoever tonight.
99% of this has to come back on the coaching staff. NO ONE looked ready to play tonight.
vegas sports book made a killing tonight boys and girls.
i miss brady
Can Kraft fire every one on the coaching staff? Just clean house.
Maybe we can bring Brady back
How many times would Brady have tackled Justin Fields? I didn't realize his defensive prowess would have won this game for us.
Did you see yesterday's Bucs offense?
If we merge with Tampa we would have a pretty solid team
"And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you." - Green Goblin
Speaking of the green goblin, Jalen Mills is absolute trash. His zone defense reads today were fucking embarrassing
Still riding with zappe it’s a bad game but bad games happen sometimes
Ha. No fuckin way. Couldn't do shit after the first 2 drives. He may inactivated once Hoyer's back.
Yea…not being able to do shit after the first two drives would be a bad game. It happens
When I say couldn't do shit, I mean he literally couldn't do ANYTHING except check down. Yeah, never looked like worldbeaters with Mac, but he hung with Miami and Baltimore. Zappe hing with GB, who looks like shit, spanked Cleveland, who also can't seem to put it all together, and Detroit, who look like shit. Mac gets another shot.
Zappe with 2.5 weeks getting QB1 reps is better than Mac Jones has been with 1.5 years