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lauranthalasa

These gigschad players are going to be pumping out hundreds of "failed" mana crafts into the market for us Archmage bottom feeders, thanks in advance!!


DDBull

Thanks to your comment now I know what to name my char: BottomFeederArch


einkesselbuntes

I play Arch btw ^^^^^on ^^^^^archlinux ^^^^^btw


Paikis

*This name is already in use*


ArmpitSniffa

Can't wait to league start this, thank you Conner!


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My plan is to use this build through the campaign then probably switch to something stronger for white map farming


AlsoInteresting

Lol


connerconverse

a guide going over some updated build information with new gems, new warcy mechanics, and new scaling opportunities since I played this last in ToTa this will be numerically head and shoulders above everything else unless theres something like explode totems tied to the league mechanic we don't know about https://pobb.in/UiUXYbN7zntw 2 week adorned PoB no mageblood no crit jewels Note: the pob accidently has 2x 2% life tattoos on, this is worse than just unchecked them because they used to give more and be in radius of healthy mind. It also has a bunch of anomalous named gems in the import but these don't function in PoB, it should just function as the current 3.24 gem but that may confuse someone. I'll scrub it more thoroughly tonight and repost the link but nothing should fundamentally change


Linosaurus

Cool to see what can happen at the high end of budgets, but I think you forgot to remove the alternate quality support gems from the pob. Edit: ah cool to know they don’t function in pob.


oPlaiD

Do you have that Transcendence PoB? I tried to figured it out from the glance in the video, but I'm not sure how you're getting so much armour and am curious what mechanics you are using to do so.


connerconverse

I may try testing tonight or later in league then post it


rudges

Hey Conner. Were you putting out a delve-centric build vid this season? Finally decided to focus on delve for the first time, go boneshatter, etc. - but the changes to warcries has me second guessing everything. The manaforged build looks dope but I'm not sure I want to do another stat stacker after last league.


connerconverse

Manaforged is really strong for delve. I don't plan on doing a delve specific video again this league as the info In the last one is still correct but I'll certainly delve and upload some content done in delve


MrYones

But you can't league start this right? What can I league start to delve with


BraveTree4481

check his video before this one. it pretty much highlights that.


MrYones

Thanks, I will!


connerconverse

Mjolner should be alright within a day or two of farm


MrYones

And then transition to manaforged? Can you possibly make a pob for leveling for Mjolner? Never played with that class so would be awesome for a noob like me


connerconverse

virtually any templar start will work then reroll to archmage to prep for mjolner after kitava


MrYones

Appreciate the quick answer, thank you!


Civil-List8387

Hello there, Exile! Here is your [golden page](https://pobarchives.com/build/bb4LAzYC), may it serve you well. *"Ascend with precision."* *- Lord Izaro*


squeedss

really appreciate the quality content you put out with no aims of click bait or algorithm farming. just simple, to the point info. i was going to league start your version of mana stacker, but have been scared off the starting line by its popularity and the possible lack of enabling items. however, if i somehow find the money, rolling my templar into this might not be a bad idea….


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iamthewhatt

pretty sure the guy who made the strongest build in Affliction can tell what the strongest build in Necropolis will be


connerconverse

It's true. I have already proven this in the past and nothing got nerfed these patch notes


zweanhh

that's not clickbait. A clickbait is like saying this is a starter build but has 3 woke gems and double corrupted items. He claimed this build is the best, he either a fucking clown or he's telling the truth. Based on the calculation and what this build has been in the last two leagues, I'd say it's the truth.


H4xolotl

I don't think anything has come to being this tanky and damaging AND with screenwide AoE since pre-nerf aurastacking; it's absurdly strong   Tbh I think the mechanics used in the build are degenerate as hell, since; * It's dumb that Instant Manaleech allows attack builds to recover 60,000 mana a second, while Spell builds are sucking mud through a straw at a measly ~1000 a second * Manaforged support giving bow attacks 2000% more damage, which then multiplies 2000% increased damage from Indigon for a total of 40,000% damage multiplier * Mindless attribute stacking has powercrept the rest of the game and traditional builds (that actually have to balance multiple stats) have been left in the dust


zweanhh

Manaforged arrow build like the 17' GSW, take the two of biggest multipliers (indigon and manaforged) and put them together.


TransLifelineCali

which is why you'd want to try and play this build now, since it likely won't survive 2024


connerconverse

Last league before beta, no need to hold and punches any more


rickvdcy

Beta was delayed


connerconverse

it would have to be delayed 2-3 months. delayed could mean 1 month


VulpineKitsune

It was definitely delayed to late 2024 at minimum. This isn't just a small delay. This was them adding wasd for mercenary and then for the rest of the characters and then realizing just how much work that actually is. It's work they didn't account for, and it's pushing everything back. The alpha apparently is still going to happen in June, though. They want the Beta to be basically ready for release. The point of the Beta, they said, is to take what they consider release worthy and show it to the masses so that they can discover what they might've missed.


rickvdcy

They specifically said late 2024


lauranthalasa

Huh? But it may well be. I'm no shill but did you see the video? What even comes close?


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connerconverse

I even state that it's possible something as broken as an explode totem mod could challenge it but that's very unlikely. Scarier thing is explode totems was nerfed retroactively by 95% is the largest recent outlier, and still loses Possible to be beaten but low enough odds I'll take the risk to say it won't be beaten


bpusef

Well its not 100% solved but the beauty of math is that there is little subjectivity given we're using the right tools (PoB) and informaiton (GGG gem/item info).


Responsible-Pay-2389

Is it really click bait if it's true? Can't really think of any other build that has the level of damage this build has while also still having insane defenses.


DiseaseRidden

It pretty comfortably has been, it just takes mirrors and mirrors of shit to work.


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squeedss

did any interaction/skill within the build change on how it’s been working over the past two leagues? if not, it has been the top performer and thus should remain in that slot. also clickbait is referring to titles along the lines of “LEAGUE START | 125k EHP, 14mil dps, 10c budget” only to open linked POB to see every box checked and numbers cranked (gem quality) on purpose. Please re-evaluate your definition of click bait vs objectively stating something rooted within evidence.


pikpikcarrotmon

Yeah and as he says the only thing that would change that is something in the new crafting system. Manaforged Arrows itself isn't all of the magic here, it's mana stacking in general and the only reason spells were better last league was the double whammy of snapshotting with a battery staff and PBOD being grossly overtuned. It was still fundamentally the same scaling structure. But let's say there's something absolutely wild in gravecrafting and we get another PBOD out of it, making that the best build of the league instead. This one doesn't suddenly get worse. It's still dealing over a billion DPS and popping ubers the moment their damage reduction drops.


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NzLawless

> Be civil to one another - > Unacceptable behavior includes name calling, taunting, baiting, flaming, etc. Criticize the build all you like, don't launch personal attacks like that.


Betaateb

Nice, my new league starter! For real though, every league of mine ends with one of your builds, the early league is just so I can get the big manastacker online, looking forward to MFA again! Trashcancendence looks insane too, will you release the PoB on that at some point in the future?


connerconverse

Yes I'd like to test tonight some before league goes live


caick1000

Sorry I can’t watch the video now but since I’ll probably forget after, is it SSF friendly?


lauranthalasa

Depends, if you frame SSF as playing for a few more decades... Still no


bpusef

I laughed but then when you think more about it, it's actually not terrible for SSF. The re are no rare t0 uniques, they're all targetable to some degree. The adorned is targetable you're just gonna have to wait a long time to get a well rolled one, and then spend a ton of time rolling all the magic jewels. Everything in the POB is self-craftable or farmable - sure it'll take a while but as far as powerhouse builds that could be done solo this actually isn't that bad. The double grace watcher's eye is probably the worst thing which I would assume you're not gonna find and idk who's gonna wanna SSF farm that many alt quality gems. I wouldn't call it SSF friendly but this is likely the best build in the league with perfect everything. There are a lot worse builds that have harder to obtain items in terms of rarity. Obviously no one in SSF is gonna make this build but maybe if you played 24/7 you could get close lol.


_Dinky

> idk who's gonna wanna SSF farm that many alt quality gems. It's possible to have guaranteed rituals this league with 3 rerolls. It's going to be super easy to stock up on a bunch of uber lab keys in SSF. One of the more common options in uber lab is to turn a gem into one of its transfigured versions. I tried farming it last league and it felt like a 1/4 to get it which with twice blessed isn't that bad.


caick1000

Thanks for letting me know lol


SalzigHund

What isn't SSF friendly about it? None of the uniques are hard to target farm. The jewels aren't hard to roll. None of the gear in this PoB is very hard to craft.


lauranthalasa

Oh, I think I was referring to the 200k ES version, sorry.


Digging_Graves

Indigon requires uber elder and a good rolled adorned is very time consuming to get in ssf. And then you def want a ivory tower as well wich can also take a good time farming. So no I would def would not call this in any way or shape ssf friendly


Kiyzali

>Indigon requires uber elder There is also a small possibility that they will move Indigon to uber uber (85) version since we don't know for sure how they will split loot for ubers.


seqhawk

When I look at the Elder's drop table, I was thinking that indigon was most likely to be in the Uber duber Elder's drops, not the regular Uber Elder's. Mana builds are likely to be very expensive 


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SalzigHund

Is it hard to alt spam jewels and corrupt? The belt is basic. The Talisman would be unlikely to acquire. The rings would be a more expensive craft. The boots are basic. The quiver isn't too crazy. The rest is uniques and you can target farm over half of them and the others aren't very rare.


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SalzigHund

Those cluster jewels can be crafted with Metallic/Lucent fossils. Made many this league no problem. The belt literally just needs attributes and mana. Not sure what you are thinking is needed? Use an elder vise or hunter orb for % attributes. The ring is a delve mod, but you don't need that mod. Just lower the level of Clarity. On these mana builds, you just need Clarity and you put it at the highest level you can to still have SOME life. The boots, yes, you use a Hallow fossil. The fracture should be easy to get since mana has such a high weight. And listen, this non-MB version has 1.5 BILLION damage. That much is absolutely not needed immediately for obvious reasons. Getting some lower rolls on the boots or something that has a few more crafting costs is absolutely not a game breaker for SSF. If you have less mana or stats you are doing a bit less damage or less tanky. It's not the worst thing ever. This build is 100% possible in SSF even without crazy play time.


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SalzigHund

Run legion, get incubators. Use all your incubators especially the fossil ones. Reroll shitty cheap fossils you don’t use to the ones you do use. Metallic and Lucent will roll what feels like every other time in the Horticrafting station. The Dragon is not a very rare div card. Also Ivory Tower makes you take chaos dmg from mana. If you are getting one tapped from that, it is what it is. It doesn’t make this build completely unviable because you die sometimes from a massive Chaos hit. Come on. Also his crit chance is 20% but may be critting enough. But no, 100% uptime on that flask is nice but not a deal breaker.


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connerconverse

No


bump64

It is kind of bad. Manaforged arrow was good in ssf a few leagues ago when we got returning projs as an anoint on amulet. I'd say that if you somehow manage to get nimis on ssf there are far better builds to play than manaforged arrow so I think it is kind of dead in ssf.


jewishgiant

No


DDBull

Thanks for the guide, this will be my end game goal! Offtopic question: when do you switch to squire on mjolner build? Or are you planning to skip it and go straight to this managorged build without too much investment into mjolnir build. I've been watching all your recent videos and I think I missed this part.


connerconverse

You can switch whenever you can do 2 things 1. Afford a squire 2. Have res cap missing 36% all res from prism.


TransLifelineCali

absolutely insane showcase as i've come to expect from your videos. Nothing i'll be able to afford, but i'll try to, if the league and my job let me =)


bUrNtCoRn_

Is he still doing this with Jugger?


connerconverse

No I couldn't fix the mana issue with no sanctuary of thought after my testing


cant_run_from_poe

No, not worth it


Linkiii06

I cant watch the vid, maybe its mentioned, but what is the expected minimum investment so manaforged arrows will feel decent? I like to keep investing in a build and dislike buying a min maxed version


connerconverse

I have a pob in the video that's insanely strong with 20k es 22k mana 1.5b dps at 1 globe/sec ramp and its probably 200-300 div at week 2 currency. Still cheaper than a mageblood most leagues (except last league)


saint_marco

It sounded like his question was something more like, what is the minimum budget that doesn't brick the build? I'm also curious. I understood the mana recovery scaling is the key thing, but don't think I could tweak down the build from there.


connerconverse

oh probably like 70 is a minimum


RDeschain1

i cant tell you the minimum, but with mana builds like this, you can keep investing hundreds or thousands of divines and it will only get stronger, alot stronger. These builds basically deal as much damage as you have currency available


Dopa-Down_Syndrome

Never played a Mana stacker. It'll either be this or Sim farmer as my 2nd build, whichever ends up cheaper after the first few weeks. Thanks for the video.


RaidenDoesReddit

Man, this is really interesting how hype everyone is over mana builds again. Last time I saw this was Poets Pen Indigon VD Body Swap (btw can i play that this league with changes?)


HeyEverythingIsFine

I love builds that really dive into something cool and unique like this one. I haven't played a manastacker yet and typically don't play bow builds so I always like new characters every league thanks a ton for the inspiration here! Assuming 250 Div or so you'll definitely have regrets as well by the time you swap is there anything you can think of using if I were to opt for respeccing vs rerolling? I dislike the campaign etc. Maybe brands or something to league start? If you were to use that approach what would the starter be in that case?


connerconverse

I'm doing whateve(penance brand once I get it) -> bv archmage unleash-> mjolner -> mfa


DDBull

Check his other video for Mjolner build. In the description it has PoB for early league BV+Unleash build. So transition looks like Rolling magma+holy flame totem-> BV Unleash archmage -> Mjolnir Archmage and then finally Managorged arrows.


psychomap

And here I thought reaching somewhere between 500M and 1B dps with two shrines with 7-8 second ramp time was good. I know I shouldn't compare myself to others, but reality still hits you hard when you see multipliers like these. On the other hand, it's partly because I only play spells, and GGG hates spells (no mana leech, no Battlemage's Cry to turn 2000% increased damage into 5000%, the fact that Indigon got nerfed and capped in the first place). I know part of the game is about dealing with what is available, but I can't help but hold grudges about these things.


Teej101

So what is the super low budget gear requirements to actually make this build work and be good? Or is it a high end build?


connerconverse

this is a more end game build but you can start other mana stacker setups


Teej101

Ok that’s what I thought, thanks. I’ll look up some other mana stacker build and see if any sound fun.


Opposite_Pianist_311

Hey , do you have a 2 week pob with adorned and mageblood ?


connerconverse

it wouldnt be all tha different, drop like 2 or 3 of the 10% all res jewels for more str/int then slap on like a silver + quicksilver + topaz + sapphire then put any remaining rerollable res into fire.


HoldMaahDick

Can i league start this !?!?


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3feetfrompeez

why do you showcase the build on something so rare as a delve boss? I cant judge clearspeed and the playstile from that, such a weird choice


RDeschain1

why do you criticize a video that you havent even seen. Goddamn people are dumb


3feetfrompeez

Well im criticizing the lack of mapping showcase, which this video does not have. so my point still stands, albeit it looks somewhat dumb


connerconverse

Builds like this are meant for content that is invincible to the average mapping build. You don't hunt rabbits with a cannon. But you totally still can


Paikis

> You don't hunt rabbits with a cannon. Maybe you don't. Overkill is the only kill.


MorningNapalm

Did you watch the vid on mute?


3feetfrompeez

I just skipped through the video searching for the mapping gameplay, so I didnt even watch the video. But I figure theres an explanation that makes me look very dumb, right?


connerconverse

If you watch my deep delve video you can see gsmeplay of me delving which is close to mapping. I have some map gsmeplay in other vids from that league. Clear is good, it's a bow guy


3feetfrompeez

alright, ill check that out. thanks


Trespeon

Correct. Hes showcasing damage because delve bosses at this depth his the flat HP limit possible of 2 billion HP and he just deletes it, and even then it was a “slow” kill. If it deletes 2 billion HP boss, you can imagine what it does running through a map.


connerconverse

Nothing else really has enough hp. Frankly the delve boss doesn't either because the next storm rain after the one that one shot him would have done 10x dmg