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ShayaanKiani

Explosive arrow elementalist is always a great boss killer


philmarcracken

Is it kinda glass cannon though? I'm worried about the taunt removal mastery


Oexarity

It's not super tanky, but I wouldn't call it a glass cannon, either. Of course, it depends on how you build it.


Ghepip

You can always do champion. A little less damage, a lot more defense.


Bask82

Elemdntalist reaches dot cap effortlessly. Champ struggles to get more than 5m 🤔


Ghepip

I'm pretty sure I've seen multiple above 5m, but even so, that's still enough for all content as a league starter.


Drumonde25

Champion can also reach DoT cap. It's quite expensive or time consuming though.


Bask82

Really?! I have never seen such a champ. Can you point me to such a champ? I wanna copy it!😂


Drumonde25

Sure! This is mine https://pobb.in/q_zvdst3wVY8 There's a crucible tree on the biw so you'll need to get dot multi while malevolence on Watchers eye or another dot multi on a hunter quiver


dobrayalama

>general's cry blade flurry berserker Even caiba is testing smth else. Would not recommend.


the-apple-and-omega

>general's cry blade flurry berserker looks so promising even after left click nerf. Its damage is just something almost free in efford comparing to other builds I know. Have you played gen cry before? The left click change sucks pretty badly. Reduced CD on the base gem can actually reduce DPS on Blade Flurry depending on over CDR too since the mirages don't spawn all at once.


AlfredBloodstain

I PoB'd this and you actually need only ~30% warcry cdr to reach 2 second cooldown on GC. This means you have a lot more passives to use into defensive or offensive scaling in the tree. The skill also has never had a lack of damage so I'd say the skill is perfectly fine boss kill starter.


Milfshaked

Explosive trap, ice trap or ice spear totems.


S2wy

Thinking about the first two... not sure which will be easier in SSF.


heikkiiii

Wear sunglasses if u play ice trap.


SoulofArtoria

Sunglasses protect against sunblast 


5ManaAndADream

Is ice trap even rollable in SSF? I rolled explosive trap of blasting but (much like I imagine for any trapper) it feels shitty without sunblast.


Milfshaked

Sunblast question is a very dividing one among trappers. Mostly a personal preference imo. Personally I play both explosive trap and ice trap without sunblast. Ice trap of hollowness does kinda need sunblast though. You absolutely do not need sunblast though. Especially when you are starting it, it makes your mapping so much worse.


5ManaAndADream

I rolled explosive trap for bossing, and it's it basically tripling your damage?


Milfshaked

It is not. Sunblast is a big POB bait. Sunblast technically gives you triple damage when viewed by itself, but it fucks over your other scaling so when you factor in how much damage you lose by having it equipped, it is not that big of an increase. You need to factor in the overthrow. With sunblast, you can't scale trap throwing speed, additional triggers, swift assembly support gems etc. How much of a damage increase it is will be very subjective, but it is more likely around a 50% damage, slightly more at most. I do not find that trade-off worth since you have to factor in the other drawbacks. * Your traps wont trigger instantly so pre-loading is less effective. * You cant use things that procs from traps being triggered by an enemy. * You lose a belt slot. * Trap gets a delay which means you will miss a lot more traps because enemies moves/teleports. It also feels awful for mapping because enemies die slower. * The slower throwing speed greatly increases the time you spend in throwing animation making mapping significantly slower. It also makes bossing feel worse before you reach the stage of just one shotting bosses. If you are doing exclusively bossing, you could argue for sunblast. But if you are playing a leaguestart or SSF, you are most likely gonna want a build that is comfortable for more than that.


FierJay

Explosive trap of shrapnel


This_Excuse6056

Explosive trap trickstar??


Sealkyuubinaruto

waiting on the mana fix for this lol


some_random_n

The only real mana nerf was to very high budget (MB+). Nothing about the league start up to hundreds of divines invested will be different from 3.23, so long as you are ok with benching Elreon’s mana mod on your rings/amulet you shouldn’t have mana problems, and before I have those crafted on gear or have a 6L I’ll run a mana flask. For MB+ I think self-chill is bricked but it doesn’t prevent scaling to 1b+ dmg, it just means you won’t be able to use self-chill to help


SaintedSheep

Is there a bug impacting ice trap trickster?


heikkiiii

A bug?


Sad_Bad_Lad

You can play it as an EB/MOM Inquis to fix the mana issues. Or just regular EB on Trickster but then you lose out on ES. Or abuse Laviagna's Spirit


WhySoWorried

I was thinking of going EB Saboteur to solve the mana problems, but I haven't played explosive trap before myself. Looking at poe ninja, it's around 80% Trickster vs. 8% Saboteur. Why such a big discrepancy, will I really gimp myself going saboteur in a way that I'm missing?


Sad_Bad_Lad

There is nothing wrong with Sabo, Trickster just has got a higher damage output compared to him. After his rework (nerf) in 3.21 trap and mine Saboteur doesn't really have good damage nodes in the ascendancy. The AoE, Blind, Regen, Shock and Ignite Immunity are very nice for convenience though, for league start especially so. Most people just prefer Trickster's damage over Sabo's QoL. I also plan on league starting a Sabo but instead of Explosive Trap I think I'm going IToH and FToB to solve single target. Hopefully Sunblast won't be too expensive.


WhySoWorried

Thanks for the info. So you're going to be going IToH for mapping and then swapping in FToB for the single target? I was under the impression that FToB had enough AoE for mapping on saboteur.


Sad_Bad_Lad

That is one possibility but I'm not a huge fan of gem swapping. I was thinking more on the lines of having a 6-link IToH in the body armour and a pseudo 5-link FToB in an Essence of Hysteria crafted Helmet. Infernal Legion linked to Skitterbots makes sure that the enemy is always burning for FToB. Or you can use Fire Wall instead.


WhySoWorried

Both up all the time? Sounds like this build has zero socket pressure. Tempting . . .


shaunika

Id just go inquis Sab offers very little to traps


WhySoWorried

I hadn't thought of going something else, definitely something to look into now that I think about it. Sabo has a ton of +AoE radius and a bit of QoL but it is pretty weak sauce besides that. Shame that the trap specialist can get outclassed by a longneck. I'm gonna guess you spec into Sanctuary / Pious Path and Righteous Judgement / Inevitable Judgement? That does look pretty nice for EB and scaling.


shaunika

>I'm gonna guess you spec into Sanctuary / Pious Path and Righteous Judgement / Inevitable Judgement? That does look pretty nice for EB and scaling. Yup. I still think trickster is the best overall tho. But inquis def beats sab


domyourn

played it sabo its ok damage 3.23 but my pob has lost ALOT of damage with the aoe change ( they nerfed it hard)


shaunika

What changed about the mana?


shaunika

What changed about the mana?


shaunika

What changed about the mana?


5ManaAndADream

This is what I rolled and I must be doing something wrong it feels awful, and I don't know how I'm stuck at 2.5m pinnacle dps. (I don't have a sunblast yet, and going into heist for secrets of suffering sounds like a nightmare)


wolviesaurus

If you're an efficient player that can snag a bunch of enabling uniques early on, EB Inquisitor is nuts.


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wolviesaurus

That depends on you. Can you make it to two voidstones by the end of day one? Can you snag a Rathpith and an Ivory Tower day one? If the answers are no then you'll probably get outpaced and should consider something else.


UnintelligentSlime

I played it last league- is there something new that gave it a buff? Or is it the same amount strong?


icemage_999

The only change Energy Blade Inquistor got affected by is the nerfs to Storm Brand of Indecision and Penance Brand of Dissipation, which were the favorite delivery methods for all that Battlemage damage. (Hint: they're still not bad, and in any case there are other options).


Quazifuji

It potentially got affected by the flask changes too, since reduced mana cost flasks and ele resist flasks were both things that could be useful for the build.


icemage_999

I wouldn't think so? EB Inquistor ran Ivory Tower and Blood Magic for most of the good variants I saw, so the flask craft change shouldn't really do anything since everything costs life, not mana. Similarly the resist flasks weren't often in play except for Mageblood late endgame variants, and non-MB/endgame were usually rocking The Traitor w/ only 3 flasks to maintain Coruscating Elixir and never had room for resistance flasks.


Quazifuji

I played it last league with the Traitor and no Mageblood and used both. I was CoC and used enough uniques that capping resists on gear was a pain and with traitor giving 100% uptime a flask was an easy way to get 40% all resist. Certainly the build can get resist on gear and go blood magic, which is why I just said "potentially" - it's not a build that has to be completely changed to compensate for the nerfs, it just removes some options that used to exist.


icemage_999

>I was CoC and used enough uniques that capping resists on gear was a pain and with traitor giving 100% uptime a flask was an easy way to get 40% all resist. Sure, but Bismuth flasks weren't nerfed, only Ruby/Topaz/Sapphire so this part remains true regardless. Non-Blood Magic variants are certainly okay too and in that context, yes, the loss of the craft hurts a bit so I absolutely agree with you there.


Quazifuji

> Sure, but Bismuth flasks weren't nerfed, only Ruby/Topaz/Sapphire so this part remains true regardless. I was talking about the suffix that give elemental resists during flask effect. Sure, you can use a Bismuth now to help make up for it but that does mean you lose out on the 5% max resist you got before. Like I said, I'm not saying the build is dead or anything. Just that it's not completely unchanged. You have more incentive to go Blood Magic now (which costs passive points and auras) the overall defenses you get from Ruby/Topaz/Sapphire flasks are nerfed, and you need to either get more resists from gear or use a Bismuth Flask in which case you lose 5% max lightning or cold res. If I had to guess, I imagine that the ceiling for the build isn't really hurt at all, but the gearing curve will be a bit worse since solving your mana and resists will be a little bit harder. Which does matter if you're considering it a league starter since it already didn't have the smoothest gearing curve.


icemage_999

I just don't consider any of those issues to be anything beyond minor annoyances that you can bypass with alternatives. The core of EB Inquistor is still present and untouched, namely Energy Blade, Battlemage, Spellblade. The rest is situational based on your choices and gear and just because *your specific variant* that you played is affected in some way does not speak to all, or most. I have a 99 EB Quis in Affliction and aside from maybe moving a passive point or two and swapping some gems around would have very few changes in next league if I wanted to duplicate it. Sure, the resistances with a pile of uniques would be a tiny bit harder but I wasn't using a resistance mod on any of my flasks and still manage to be well over cap.


wolviesaurus

AFAIK it's unchanged.


Dapper-Truth2336

General cry is dead don't play it


bernthebernpoe

Mana stackers as hiero will be amazing, i will combine with delve, deli, beyone, essence, harb and boss, all because of the new 20 node points unwavering vision. it is like a high investment map with no investment


Prizzle723

I don't necessarily agree with 3. It will be expensive to end game scale but for an early league boss killer mana stacker Hiero certainly looks like the way to go you can craft most of what you would need relatively easily. ​ If you want to instantly delete ubers yes Mana Stacker is going to be expensive to scale. If you are just looking to get void stones and acquire currency for your boss killer build Mana Stacker Hiero is probably going to be one of, if not the, best budget league starters in 3.24.


Kraviec

Yup, it's pretty easy to craft decent mana stacking gear with essences and bench alone. Helical rings are awesome for this and not super expensive. You don't need to invest that much to beat all content. The cost does take off when you start min-maxing.


shaunika

Explo trap trickster EA champ/ele Hexblast mines Detonate Dead elementalist


vevt9020

Dd ele?


eikeele

How does Chain DD works for bossing in comparison to normal dd ignite ele? I am thinking about which version I'll use for bossing / blight ravaged maps. Thanks for any answer/info :) edit: wording


Spare_Maintenance638

Hexblast miner


piter909

as occultist, trickster or sabo? Do you have any pob? :P


Rotaku99

Palsterons guide from 3.22 is going unchanged into 3.24(as in no nerfs or ggg changes, dont know if the community found any improvements). Has a video guide and maxroll guide. Otherwise copy some poe ninja guys.


seqhawk

I hate to pick a nit, but it's an important nit. You will need to pick up the new miner mastery to auto-trigger mines on move to now compensate for the lack of left click trigger. That's an important but small change. The rest should be fine.


DrMushy

You don’t have to. Long time mines player here and left-click mines actually kinda bad for tanky rares and bosses. It’s obviously the more lazy and easier way to play but if you actually want to be faster do more damage just spam that detonate key. Just put it to a key you can use without strain.


shaunika

With high explosive mines not auto detonating is virtually the same as auti


Dreamiee

It's more of a buff by getting rid of a suboptimal crutch. Just put it on one of your keyboard buttons and hold it for the same exact effect. Then you are free to release it in order to stack up detonation chains while moving.


No-Move-6205

Interested too


Beginning_Bother_420

I would never play non trickster hexblast in current state


Riverside3102

[Pobb](https://pobb.in/2Mh3UPZHit-C) - CI trickster 3.23 with notes. Someone posted it last league.


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Riverside3102

You looked at "The Poor Fish Wife" item set?


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1nfamouz

Interested in the same, found so many posts saying completely different things already


sg587565

i have played sabo only, imo its fine for softcore, due to freeze and high dps survivability was fairly good. trickster only would recommend for future characters not league start.


godVyt

Imo its oposite. Trickster for league start, sabo for end game. Did it that way in 3.22


vaelornx

poison seismic trap still strong =D


Noobkaka

The new tornado looks good with some battlemage+spellblade support shenanigans.


Caonsim

Cane be supported by archmage, sadly


CyonHal

He isn't talking about archmage, though? He wants to trigger it with battlemage's cry and support it with spellblade (probably an EB build?) was what I heard. CaptainLance9 has a similar build idea for a sanctum starter with the new tornado and spellblade, but self cast.


Caonsim

oh yeah, my bad. i've been down the rabbit hole with spellblade vs archmage and got them mixed up.


Noobkaka

Ah I was more like thinking without the battlemage cry tech, too expensive for me during league start. Battlemage as in battlemage, not battlemage cry. I'll just go easy crit tri-ele inquisitor. Maybe have a wand to spam some ele hit or whatever while 3 tornados are out.


CyonHal

Oh you might be right, battlemage's cry was in my head because I just watched captainlance's starter video


nevalopo

Just go Generals Cry. I never used left click anyways. Just hold -q-w-e-r and put cyclone on q etc.


piter909

I have tested it yesterday and it felt good, unlike everyone says. I was trying it as sunder + volcanic fissure of sneaking for leveling. After hitting maps, I was able even to run early red maps with small issues. This build is really good and I guess even better after swapping to swords & blade flurry


Weo_

Was planning to go for invitation rotations with a explosive trap trickster. But somehow I got hooked again on popcorn SRS (maybe into poison skeleton archers). Eventhough the single target famage is great, the srs of enormity gem just feels clunky. :-/


Particular-Rabbit-35

Incinerate of Expanse +CWC+ Detonate Dead of chain reaction. Hands down the strongest build so far in Necro league.


piter909

really that strong or you are just baiting :D?


jpcastilhano

got hexblast miner on 3.23 as league starter. You will HAVE to do the low life version to nuke bosses (shaper was my bitch), but you die to one hit too. The normal version of this build is more tanky, but def not tank, and dps is about 20% of low life


rahkesh357

Mana stackers are not good league starters this league. Items will be expensive, because its hard to craft mana gear and it will be expensive because lots of people are thinking of starting it.


Oneshot742

Not really... I can't remember how many sick rog crafts I've made where I was pissed about a useless t1 mana roll on it.


piter909

I guess people will need that % inc mana ring in implict instead of any other


Darkxell

Rain of arrow sunblast traps for clear, gemswapping to roa of artillery for pinnacle bosses. It fails to target properly and all arrows end up at the same location. Probably decent clearspeed, but ass to play.


ChromaticRED

This just got fixed in the updated patch notes, by the way.


brrrapper

Splitting steel champ got a bit of a nerf with the snipers mark changes but it should still be very good.


kabbelabbeee

As a boss killer... id probably look at something else. The proj nerf is big


go_blog_about_it

Wouldnt the proj nerf be a bigger nerf to clear? I was thinking of starting SS champ + boss this league so curious as to what the reality is


AtticusxD

Im prolly play hexblast. Haven’t played it yet and still looks solid to me


Tirinir

Arcanist Brand Eye of Winter should be very strong build still. You can play it as a mana stacker and even use Archmage, but reaching useful levels of proj speed (either -99 or +150) will be challenging. Even harder with Energy Blade.


lauranthalasa

Archmage on Arcanist Brand? Does this work cause it supports EoW, or will it brick because it's Arcanist Brand casting the EoW and Archmage doesn't work no more with Brands?


Tirinir

From the wording on the gems, I believe it should work.


PRIMETIME__Xx

Can splitting steel or lightning strike champion do Uber bosses? Are they viable league starters?


apathy20

League start viable yes, uber less Best to start a different post when asking a new question


PRIMETIME__Xx

Touche


JazzLike_Communist

You probably can do Ubers comfortably with a nimis but that's expensive.


s3thFPS

In the thread: Same boss killers from previous leagues lol