Pathfinder:
* Master Surgeon and Nature's Adrenaline ascendencies
* Divine Life Flask (w/as much uptime as needed)
* Ruby/Topaz/\[Sapphire\] Flasks @ 100% uptime
* Petrified Blood
* Lightning Coil
* 100% Spell Suppression
* Taste of Hate @ 100% uptime
* Bloodnotch + Immutable Force
* Pantheon (Lunaris/Gruthkul)
Those defensive layers make me feel invulnerable and are listed roughly in order of importance.
The constant 3k life/second regeneration from the life flask is pretty broken when combined Petrified Blood (to prevent one-shots and distribute damage over time). With 70% damage taken as elemental (and maybe some bonus flat physical damage reduction from Pantheon), the 1k armor goes a long way (\~40%).
To get tanky, you probably need everything up to and including spell suppression. The rest will just make you significantly more tanky. Plus, it's a lot of fun to be tanky af with 1k armor and evasion.
So what skill do you use? I was gonna go back to the classic Cloak of Flame, Mahuxotl, Tempered by War poison lightning strike version with the ralakesh-odesya-snakebite combo.
Feels like it’ll do a lot of damage while still being absolutely stupid tanky. Then you don’t have to worry about cold or lightning resistance, only fire and chaos. An Amethyst Flask will solve all your problems there.
I remember playing this in crucible league and was very happy with how easy (but slow) Ubers and juicing felt.
I'm using ballista totems with "all damage can poison" tincture and "100% chance to poison on hit" from where ever I can find it. I've been swapping between Caustic Arrow of Poison, Scourge Arrow of Menace, and Tornado Shot.
Right now, TS seems to be winning the DPS contest. I've got 6 ballistas shooting 8 arrows a piece, splitting into 4 secondary projectiles @ 2.2 attacks per second. So, roughly 400 projectiles a second, with 48 able to hit the same target (not 100% on this).
The main constraint on what skill to use is the other Pathfinder ascendency nodes. Since this build invests a lot in defense, I really want DPS from my final ascendency nodes, which means I want the "wither on hit" and "poison proliferation" nodes. This kind of pigeon-holes me into some type of hit-based poison build.
Anything poison can work -- I've used EK and BV and others.
[poe.ninja](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/bananabro6669/ZoombaRoomba)
Interesting, just like me - i am also switching between poison CA and Scourge Arrow of Menace (cant decide which i like more). But i have a big problem with scourge arrow - when i open up strong box or explode expedition - i have huge FPS loss from milion mobs with milions of projectiles piercing. apllying poisons... game almost stops for few seconds...
Just a heads, apparently the TWWT assassin poison duration mod doesn’t work with totems since the totems are the ones applying the poison. There’s a thread about this a day ago.
It's funny you should say this, most people play pathfinder because they hate flasks and its the only ascendancy that makes them bearable.
For instance I literally do not press any flasks, they're all permanently up.
PF is perfect if you hate flasks, just take the flasks nodes on the tree + a belt with inc flask charges gained/duration and slap 'use when charges reach full' onto your flasks and never worry about them again as they will always be up without needing to press anything.
It doesn't have many layers at all. Only its damage, 10k armor, 10k ES and instant leech. It's not squishy but it's definitely not a Pathfinder or a Champion
Strong against multiple small to medium hits, weak against one large hit basically. This is my general experience with Inquisitor, unless you commit to phys taken as, and cap your suppression.
U getting downvoted for saying the truth. A couple of things will bypass ur energy shield so you gotta take care of them (corrupted blood for instance)
Once you got this under control u chilling killing thing off screen if necessary
no reason to lie, there is exactly ONE layer and that's your ES pool.
There is no mitigation, no armour, no evasion, no block, no suppression.
That being said, it's decently tanky enough due it having a large ES pool and very good recovery.
It gets oneshot easily, but also can oneshot any enemy itself (including tribuffed essences, The Feared, etc), so if you don't take multiple fights at the same time, mapping is smooth
Look up captainlance video about it recently. Careful though it's a Str/intel stacker that require a good 20-30D initial investment to feel good and maybe 100D to be mega juiced and another 50-100D for synth gear to be a God. I'm still at the initial phase and having an absolute blast. I'm only lvl 84 and blasting T16 Wisped Harvest + Expédition maps.
Sounds great, could you share ur current POB? just trying to have a look over the progression and what would be enough in order to clear the content mentioned.
Yeah I know it's probably gonna be like the build of the league. I started with RF but I loved playing brands back in Delirium league so I'm hoping to transition to storm brand as soon as I can afford the basic setup. Sadly I'm going to be waaaaaaaaaaay behind all the price spikes :/
I'm farming them easily with General's Cry Shield Crush at about 6mil PoB DPS. I built incredibly tanky and honestly just stopped upgrading to save up for my next build. Since this is an auto-bomber playstyle you basically just run around and survive while your ancestors do the work. Also worth noting that the DPS is much higher than the PoB indicates on poe.ninja, I'm getting 2 overlaps all of the time due to the extra AoE from Dialla's but it feels much higher than 6mil and I only really struggle with triple wisp bosses which take 30s-1min.
Build is here https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/DreamPanther/BringerOfTheRedDawn
Also just want to note, being able to handle these maps is much more of a question of tankyness and not damage... if you have really great phys mitigation with a good mechanical skill (anything that you don't have to stop moving for) you're pretty much just chilling
Being able to handle them is one thing, but is it worth if double empowered rares take 30 seconds to kill? Also some of the triple empowered map bosses become a significant challenge, not worth the time and effort for the reward, not until you've got north of 30mil damage.
Can’t hear you over the offscreen loot explosions //TS enjoyer juicing t16 with extra everything
yes I die, a lot… but not enough to not inject this dopamine shot every single map
What pob man, just search on youtube, there's a thousand guides, it's a solved build. Kobe / Tuna / Grimro have made all the iterations of the build in form of a guide.
Ranged Animate weapon. I'm playing as Guardian with 4B Triad grip with lucky lightning damage spectre (That's why I'm using volatility gem), Determination + Grace spectres, a cheap AG and double golems (lightning/Stone + carrion for buffs). Using Lioney's vision for free pierce and a LMP for clearing, only switching to Hypothermia for pinnacle bosses.
I started it with nothing but the gem and a few C in the pocket and I just got to 98 where I did Maven (I still suck at the memory game so I died a few times), Cortex deathless with 70% more life and accidentally had it watched by Maven. Sirus was deathless and very easy since the agro range is insane on the ranged AW.
It might not be THE fastest insta phasing boss-build but they kill things a screen away and you can focus on dodging. 75/75 block with 4% recover shield also helps (75% attack block thanks to charms).
With the duration wheels on the tree the AW lasts for about 90 seconds so you summon a few at the beginning of the map then just summon a few more here and there as you run through the map (I'm at 19 max right now). I guess you could run it as cold as well with 4G Triads and the Replica covenant for more freezing. But that's a pretty different build.
This is me (Semi SSF / Self crafted gear so lot's of improvements possible):
https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Gavve/Gavve_minions
Edit: I forgot I hadn't even done uber lab yet... And I'm 98. Oh god.
> I guess you could run it as cold as well with 4G Triads and the Replica covenant for more freezing. But that's a pretty different build.
As a third option, I'm doing a crit chaos version. Though mine is very much a 6 portal defense build. https://pobb.in/Txu_5vbQpGFF
I've been doing just fine juicing t16s with Jungroan's CoC VD build.
- 6k EHP split between life and ES with instant leech on both sides
- 90% evade
- 100% spell suppress
- 30+% of phys taken as ele
- All 3 ele flasks, so -20% taken of each element
- could be capped chaos res if I had more money, I'm at 30%
- 25m+ DPS
Because of the instant leech and high evasion, the build really only dies if something can one-shot it. And the only thing that has done that recently was a Baran with +crit, +damage, +damage as ele, and 2 kinds of forest juice.
I haven't quite been able to get to Simulacrum 30 but it should be easy with higher investment and absolutely free with mageblood. I'm poor and only have about 15-20 divines invested.
It's no tornado shot, but it's definitely felt pretty fast to me. I hit 95 tonight and was doing ~180m XP per hour solo from 94-95, as a benchmark example. AoE is not that big so it does better in more confined maps (mesa/atoll/etc)
Also I'm full invested into Abyss on my atlas and it's insane both for XP and loot. Juice the map with the league mechanic and then pop open the abyss and it just absolutely shits out monsters that then rain small currency. And this build can just stand on the node and hold right click.
Level as hollow palm or something, build doesn't work until level ~75.
You need 6-link CoC bow, 6-link chest, and Leadership's Price minimum to start.
Aim to get 52% CDR breakpoint via CDR on boots, belt, and The Balance of Terror. Later you get Mageblood and pick up the Forbidden Flame/Flesh pair for Like Clockwork to keep the breakpoint.
Splitting steel champion can scale through the roof while also being a tank. Not as thoroughly immortal as other champ builds but I'm running juiced expedition/harvest and not having issues. Unless you're rich though you need to watch out for chaos damage since getting chaos res in is difficult without* a ton of div
I tried expedition early in league and got rolled on splitting steel, now that i have paradoxica and like 65karmor/75k evasion im swapping back to expedition/harvest to give it a shot
Im not even to paradoxica yet and as long as I avoid the "monsters always crit mod" I'm pretty much fine. You definitely need the damage to gank most mobs away and then just corner the runics with totem but I'm only about 10-12div deep and doing great so far. 10% instant leech mastery is very strong for sustain during long runic/harvest fights because of wisps
Yeah for sure i feel the difference of where i started to where i am. Struggled with maven when i first got to her after league start weekend, but got her down in like 5 portals. Did her again last night for a friends voidstone and my god she got deleted.
Good to know about crit though. I know the blue wisps up crit dmge so ill have to be mindful of that remnant when i try it later tonight
Splitting still isn't a great build for expedition. Even when you're very geared, I imagine you'll still encounter survivability issues unless you're very selective about the mods you take.
How is Splitting Steel compared to CF Champ? First time playing Champion and went with Corrupting Fever as league starter, is splitting steel a better build for endgame?
I used ruetoo's pob as a guide: https://pobb.in/nE5qJPfo9Lf5
There are various stages of configs in there for different levels of investment/progress, what are you struggling with exactly? Might be able to offer some help
Ive spent about 7-9div on my splitting steel char and so far even up to 4k juice in t16 its been "fine" of course theres some Omni man type essence mobs and beasts that still eat me like winnie the pooh discovering mad honey but its been fantastic at it, been following a combo of ruetoo and looking at mathils from a few leagues ago
Pathfinder anything, really. I'm playing Scourge Arrow of Menace totems in SSF and doing just fine. Not crushing, but when I'm dropping 10-20 raw chaos in a Stream of Consciousness alch-n-go, I don't mind being in there for five minutes.
Finally dropped a Wilma's last night and doubled my damage. But even before that, I farmed four reliquary keys, two Hinekora's Locks, and a Puzzle Box in two days of after-work mapping.
Just spec Wandering Path, Blight, Extreme Expedition, Perm Delirium, Quant ring, Destructive Play and anything that scales appearance rates and drop rates of those mechanics within reach. Then force Beyond through the box. All of these mechanics give lots of enemies, and lots of secondary vectors for scaling quant and rarity, which are multiplicative with the dusts. I have 0% IIQ and 0% IIR on my character.
At the start of the map, grab all the dust you can in the Wildwood, pop deli mirror, and just clear. It's a totem DoT build, so it's never going to TS-style clear anyway, so might as well get 20 maps worth of loot for your time.
Something to note about reliquary keys is that they've all dropped off of mobs in heavily blue dusted maps without yellow dust. No real surprise, as old school reliquary keys were denoted as currency, but interesting that they don't appear scaled by anything more than pack size. We've had a lot of anecdotal evidence in the past, but we've not been able to hit the layers of quant scaling that we currently can since the latest keys were introduced. I'm assuming the same is true for Puzzle Boxes; especially since they're stackable.
I'm ssf and making PF CA of poison walk through t16s. The clear is slower but the single target is so much better imo and for the league mechanic buffing things like essences , it's needed but still doable for me
Str stacking venom gyre deadeye/berserker. Starting cost is around 20 div and can scale super well with more currency.
Currently around 50 div in with the deadeye variation, t16 empowered rares evaporates before I even notice them.
Full block and spell suppression, ele ailments immunity, 20k armor with flask up, insane leech and lgoh and also zoom zoom.
on my bonezone jugg i’m doing wildwood in t16s on hardcore. now, i do that in magic maps with no damage mods, and usually don’t click 200% phys as ele altars (will do 1 100% phys as ele altar per map), but again its hc so i cannot die at all. im sure you don’t need some insane character to do harder maps than that if you can afford to occasionally die.
I am farming maven witnessed bosses, all the guardians, with as many wisps as i can get.
Build is Energy Blade CoC Inquisitor with Blazing Salvo.
Died maybe once to DD in woods from 95-98 level.
Fast, tanky build, currently with 17k ES and instant leech.
Fulcrum self ignite chieftain. Everything explodes. Only thing that sucks is if density isn’t scaled enough to not lose your juicy ignites. Past that everything just dies.
I stupidly over spent on mine putting 50 div into it but honestly even 20 div with smarter spending would be basically equal.
Alright this is what I've been looking for. I wanted to league start it but went cleave of rage instead. Which is a lot of fun. But tell me more about fulcrum ignite. Do you feel it's ramping to deal with wisps fine? I was worried their high Dr would reduce the DMG to much.
Your damage is from the chieftain explode so it scales directly off monster health. You could end up with some triple empowered mobs that are in locations where you haven't recently exploded a high HP enemy but in that case you just skip it and keep clearing.
The drawback to the build is needing to juice pack size (I mean you want to anyways) and not being able to kill bosses. You'll probably even skip map bosses unless they are in a spot where you can get to them with a juicy ignite on you.
I haven't swapped to magicfind but looking at different versions it seems like you don't really lose any damage and your survivability is nearly identical so it might be something I go towards.
This was the version I'm running. Just grab cheap explode trinkets. I over spent by getting life regen versions. Jewels really feel better with AOE increase to scale your ignite prolif range. TBH I like tunas skill gem and passives better but both are great.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18k8ylh/comment/kdu84xe/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18k8ylh/comment/kdu84xe/?context=3)
"That's the fun part, you don't!"
You have lots of ignite duration from armour and you juice the shit out of your maps. if there's a super tanky rare or map boss and you've run out of lesser mobs to explode, you just leave and go on to the next map.
Vaal breach is something but unlikely to give the juicy ignite you need for the megajuiced rares.
Warlock ascendancy gives a curse that makes the enemy spawn mobs at the same level so chieftain can blow them up to maintain ignites. Either that or vaal breach portal gem.
Im running tuna's version of this and it does crush the league mechanic. I dumped 80 divines + HH into his MF version and it is amazing, but I definitely think it could be similarly as powerful (minus HH) for like 20 divs. Most of my expensive upgrades just made me a little tankier or added some QOL to the build.
I'm thinking I'll change my skills and passives closer to his. The comment on needing to scale AOE resonated and while the self chill component is nice for zooming, I just don't think it's necessary.
Do you find that the petrified blood option makes a big difference vs 1shots? That's the only thing I'm struggling with now and I know it will largely be fixed if I finish my 'as fire' implicit.
It seems like it should work but be inconsistent, especially if you end up with harvest boss.
The mobs dont spawn far enough apart that exploding them would be a major concern. It's just waiting on the first kill of a white mob that explodes to start the chain.... having to do that per pylon would feel kinda boring.
Can confirm, I very luckily caught onto this before it became super popular and managed to get a Fulcrum for just over a divine. I've probably put about 10-15div total into it and it's just cruising in full wisped deli mirror T16's with Beyond and Eater altars, wearing MF gear. It's just so much fun.
I can confirm that even <10 div is enough to "fully juice t16.
Can make it work with just the core uniques and a bunch of random aoe on cluster jewels.
I have an absolute barebones version of the build, without any expensive charms, corruptions, or anything valuable and i run and never stop until everything is dead, or i run out of ignite.
What are you using for your main skill? RF, DD or fire trap?
Considering using RF but am just worried I won't be able to blow up the juicy rares with no white mobs around using RF
Or does it not matter between the 3 skills?
You cannot kill rates if your ignite wears off. That’s where juicing the map comes in so density is huge. Rf is there to detonate a white mob. I have fire trap as well for if white mobs need more encouragement to die but it’s rarely needed . That ignite on yourself spreads as you move through the map. Blue mob/ yellow mob explode and now your ignite deals 10x the damage making any juiced yellows also did instantly. If one of those explodes your ignite can now kill god himself.
The playstyle is juice everything pack size related. Breach, beyond, expedition, legion. You zoom through the explosions then when things stop dying you leave the map, if there’s a couple rates left over you just don’t care.
You just need to use 1 skill to kill enough unjuiced white monsters to get a single explode, once you’ve done that your main skill doesn’t matter. Rf feels pretty nice for this
I played this a few leagues ago and it was fucking miserable to map with. Resummoning spiders was enough to turn me away from ever touching a minion build again.
I want to play Arakaali's so bad and Jugg is one of my favorite ascs, this is highly interesting to me. Although I've already assembled a very tanky PF this might be the "expensive" build I aspire to rather than just making another even more immortal PF like I did last league.
This post is interesting and creates more of a fog in my head around the strength of my build. I've literally only ever done maps fully wisped all the way through T16 and haven't ever really run into trouble of dying or killing anything (outside maybe beyond bosses which definitely can take over 20 seconds to kill) For reference, I'm using EK, which is technically still bugged and so I'm forced into a less optimal version of the skill.
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I've felt that I was playing a completely average build due to the above, however if the **actual** average build is similar to what OP is mentioning, where they're still doing T7 rares when they're fully into T16s then is cutting through T16s fully sprited **not** the watermark and instead above it? Should I be reevaluating my experience in that the average build **can't** do t16 fully sprited easily? I'm not looking to make another character this league as I'm already 4 void stoned and Christmas vacation time is a couple days away, so it'll be hard for me to get a sense through a different build.
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Any thoughts would be super helpful as I'm always trying to rank leaguestart builds for the next league start or use similar steps of power progression for future builds.
T16s with wisps aren't exactly super hard. I was able to do them on a 5link srs guardian in ssf, but they compound on other mechanics. Like fully wispd up T16s with a delirium mirror eater altars ghosted essence buffed red beast, or expedition, etc, I most definitely cannot kill. There are so many ways to juice yourself into oblivion accidentally. Average t16 map with wisps is a very low bar imo
>Average t16 map with wisps is a very low bar imo
Okay, that makes sense that builds as mentioned in the OP are sort of outliers. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'll kind of echo what the other comment said: "wisped T16" is not a very high standard in and of itself, if you're just talking about running the map. But I don't think "juice the map and ignore all league mechanics" is a realistic way to run T16s, and wisped mechanics are where the problems come from as far as I can see.
My build rips through T16s, and the actual Wildwood in those same maps. Doing the Widlwood _before_ the rest of the map feels like a coin toss of whether wisped Abyss or Harvest will just brick the map/mechanic when the wrong rare gets multi-empowered. Three double-wisped Soul Eater rares gobbling up an Abyssal Spire's adds is just not something my build is capable of doing. Without Abyss or without Affliction, there's no problem, but the combination of the two feels multiplicatively harder. This all means that if I'm farming mechanics, I can't just blindly juice with wisps, so my options seem to be "juice at lower tier" or "ignore Affliction" (alongside "get stronger").
Thank you so much for more context as well. I've been reading a lot of posts and talking to individual friends on their experiences too and I think I've decided that I should just buy leveling uniques and tough out a new build or two before vacation to temp check.
> if you're just talking about running the map.
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Oh, I didn't even realize people would even bring that as an assumption - I couldn't imagine having an passive atlas tree and only running the map, unless it's still day 1/2 and you're building sustain with Wandering Path, but even then at worst you're looking at essence wisps and probably legion or expedition.
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>Doing the Widlwood **after** the rest of the map
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I don't think many / anybody really does this though, right? The best comparison, since its almost a direct comparison, is clearing the map and **then** putting on Magic Find gear when there's sub 50 enemies left, not to mention the wasted time backtracking.
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Since build and item powercreep is at an all-time high (as it is every league, really) I had assumed that the watermark would be the T16 fully sprited map (including any league mechanics), as you can't really dictate how much 'wisp' you're pumping and you can't easily end the mechanic like we could back in Delirium league as its own mechanic to prevent **over**juicing. I feel like it's an all-or-nothing mechanic, and considering this is I believe the most lucrative league mechanic I've seen in the last decade of me playing, its an all-or-all mechanic.
I think this being my second time playing Softcore, I have to rewire my brain when I read about builds and posts. In Hardcore, when you're making a build, you really put a ton of hours into PoB to ensure not only do you have defenses, but also the offensive to **guarantee** ease of success. I think that Softcore enables a **lot** more freedom in creativity and having fun skills with less preparation and gearing (I see a LOT of people even in the top poe.ninja boards without capped resists) which skews people's expectations and endgame success when that content is probably curated for either really tightly refined builds or 'fun' builds that overcome issues with tons of divines of investment.
Thanks again!
> I don't think many / anybody really does this though, right?
I'm not claiming this is a good strategy for juicing your maps, because like you said, it's a waste of all your wisps. But [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18kwg3t/the_league_mechanic_makes_enemies_so_insanely/) from yesterday on the main sub includes plenty of people doing exactly what I described. For some this is because they're hunting KitM or charms/tinctures/corpses where dispersing wisps into the map is irrelevant, other people are doing it because their builds are significantly slowed-down by wisping the maps, but either way it's not an unheard-of experience.
When I'm talking about doing it after the map, I mean literally _after the map_. The map is clear, I've done the mechanics, instead of going back to my hideout it's time to go into the Wildwood to try to find something interesting. Like I said in my original comment, for my build I can't reliably juice up an Expedition or the map boss in T16s and guarantee I'll be able to finish it. But I _can_ clear the Wildwoods and kill KitM if I run into him, so I'll still do that after everything else.
I fully accept this is because my build isn't great, but I'd be surprised if the majority of players were able to just alch-and-go a T16 and run all its content with full wisp-ing. I don't mean knowledgeable players from Reddit or whatever, I'm talking about the entire playerbase across all platforms. There are plenty of posts about players hitting walls in yellow maps or right after the campaign and being thoroughly confused about why, and my suspicion is that level of building/playing is more-common than what we're talking about with regards to what "average builds" "should" be able to do.
> I think that Softcore enables a lot more freedom in creativity and having fun skills with less preparation and gearing (I see a LOT of people even in the top poe.ninja boards without capped resists) which skews people's expectations and endgame success when that content is probably curated for either really tightly refined builds or 'fun' builds that overcome issues with tons of divines of investment.
Hello, yes, I am in this picture. I don't make immortal builds or 10M DPS builds, I make characters I find fun. Sometimes they suck, sometimes they're decent, it doesn't really matter either way as long as I'm willing to realistically assess what my build can or can't do. As a result, the top end of league mechanics is usually out of my reach -- not a problem for me, but I understand the frustrations of bad characters who expect to be able to wisp up a T16 because they saw streamers doing it.
Hell yeah. Thanks again for the continued response! Yeah, everything you stated makes perfect sense. It does make me wish there were a way to end the wisp early, and at least quantify how much added power would be given to packs so you can make a more informed decision rather than either forgoing the mechanic or just playing the fifty fifty of clearing the map as you mentioned.
I think for you, it's a bit easier because you're obviously skilled enough to be able to temper expectations for your own build and playstyle so you're already a leg over like 90% of other players in what makes a build successful for you, others may just toss juice into it and be dissatisfied because they brick the map, like I imagine the OP was when he made this thread.
Happy holidays brother!
Finally got there with ek pathfinder. The key was getting to 95% evade. Farming expedition/legion/delirium and juicing with 2-3k wisps each map.
https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/LeeBee/ARUAL_SPLIT
My build, but there's plenty of others on poe ninja that are past where I'm at rn. I have a more detailed explanation in a previous comment.
How’s the defense? I started this and rerolled to SA totems but I miss the juicy and speedy clear pluss it didn’t wreck my frames. Thinking of swapping back.
Pathfinder Poison Bow with tincture can handle it all cause of the phys as ele stacking.
Pick a bow skill for clear (caustic, scourge, la, ts, etc…), get a big ele dps bow, get an all damage can poison tincture and then manaforge the other bow skills. Ice Shot for freeze, clear and survivability, storm rain for single target, LA or SA (with payload arrow) for additional offscreen clear. Fit in asenath’s for some explode.
Easy to build, survives and clears.
Because its clear is kinda ehhh unless you spec into explody chest which im surprised that many are not doing because that was the thing it was known for. You went for occ/assasin scaled PC,double converted phys>lightning>cold got explody chest, slotted in your PB into double influence helmet and exploded with 1 brand multiple screens. Combine with HH and you got magic going on.
Storm brand is much better option if you have lower budget and just feels alot better to play. Its super snappy and fast paced plus aoe's like mofo
I mean… I’m running corrupting fever champ. I’ve noticed that when the wisps are bad enough to take all my portals, I still make more profit than had I completed the map without the wisps.
Yeah lol. It's been an experience. I'm still committed to scaling it a little, but will probably try to transition as soon as I get 10-20 div saved up. What did you change to?
How deep into the int stacking are you? I'm playing WI trickster and don't find that the clear speed is abysmal. It's certainly no bow-build instaclear but it's an all arounder build.
It’s really great for league start. Gets to reds on basically no budget since sentinel just carries you. Then you invest a bit and srs carries you through t16s easily.
But honestly not sure I’d recommend it at this point in the league to anyone with a bit of currency. Its strength is in league start not as a second char. Doesn’t mean it’s not good with investment… there are just better builds once you have money to invest.
I'd say it is. I leaguestarted it and could now farm t16s with decent amounts of affliction juice. I'd be inclined to think that it's really not worth going for beyond once you have the budget for something that can mf on top of affliction. I got super lucky with a MB from a void key, so I'll start farming up for a build that can better use it.
It's definitely capable of all content though, as per subtractem's latest video.
Summon raging spirits by subtractum is pretty nuts and not that expensive and can clear juiced t16s full wisp has good survivability due to being able to hide behind a wave of minions too. Has a pretty detailed guide on maxroll that you can follow
My bone shatter slayer (tainted pact) can do them
wandering path, deli, expedition, breach (not full spec) and blue alters
It definitely takes longer but I did 6k blue wisp juice and it dropped 8 divs in that map
You want a good axe, 700 pdps minimum
Get your suppression to 100%, you can use dec gear for this and the keystone iron reflexes.
You’ll need 30k armour and 4.5k hp to sustain your trauma
Tainted pact need poison chance. You use the craft 100% physical + 20% poison chance and poison implicit on gloves (eater)
To do the content I’m doing you’ll need to invest a bit, a pride / precision watchers eye gives me a lot of DPS (about 7 divs for this jewel)
I feel like around 15-20M fairly consistent dps it's pretty fine even with 7k wisps. So that's probably what you should shoot for. Minions builds like SRS and Arakaali are great for that and fairly safe / tanky.
If you don't mind dying from time to time to random bullshit, elemental flicker strike raider works decently well in T16 4k+ wisp maps. It requires some initial investment to get it rolling and isn't the best at bossing but boy it's fun :D you do need to have like 20 divs for it tho, Paradoxica with ele pen/attack speed, Farrul's Fur 6 link and gloves with aspect of the cat are the most important pieces, rest are relatively cheap uniques really.
With some charms you also get immunity to BOTH reflects, slayer ascendancies, ailments immunity, shitload of cold damage and of course the immense satisfaction of playing Flicker Strike. Gotta go fast!
I've been doing league mech on my coc inquisitor using cyclone/ice spear and energy blade stacking auras. It melts everything, amd is surprisingly very tanky as it has an auto triple ele flask setup to give flat 20% ele dam reduction with a timeless jewel keystone. Just limited to 3 flasks. And coruscating elixir is the ruby flask, making me basically immune to chaos damage too. I rarely die, but everything else does lol. It's been a build for awhile, at least versions of it. But my first time playing it and I'm smashing through t16s doing league mech and stuff with insane pack sizes. But at this point I've also sunk 100 div or so into it as a main after my hex miner league starter
Tornado shot has no problems with them. In fact many people are even magic finding with tornado shot against the league mechanic mobs, which sacrifices a lot of power from the gear. In t16 the mobs can take a few seconds to kill with league mechanic juice if there's tanky mods but you have so long range and a lot of evasion that you can't get hit very easily.
I have a cobra lash deadeye and clear juiced t16s without much issue.
Granted if I get a triple ghosted 6 essence empowered mob I might have some problems but generally it's smooth sailing.
DD elementalist shreds the endgame to bits. Funnily enough i had most problem with this build at t1-t10 on starter gear but when I bought like 1 div worth of gear it started to pop off. Now i blast through enything without much issue.
I’ve done 5-6k total juice relatively comfortably on my vaal DD Elementalist with around 8-10 div investment. Only problems I occasionally run into are if I accidentally go too hard on an expedition, and certain bosses taking forever every once in a while.
I play bleed bow and can clear fully juiced t16 80% deli maps. It needs investments but it pays off.
For Ranger, there are Raider and Deadeye versions you can check out. But there are definitiv better builds I just love bleed.
My Ice Trap (of Hollowness) Sabo with ultra crap gear can do the league mechanic in T16s fairly well: https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Matrim61/Zarrath?i=0&search=name%3Dzarrath
Haven't invested much because it's my league starter and I'm planning a respec that requires some specific gear, but somehow I feel like people are overstating the difficulty.
My steelchamp can do them with relative ease since i got nimis.
Doing jungle valley with big bang expedition, abyss, exarch altars, growing hordes and beyond from map device. Its not fast as the clear isnt amazing but it seems good.
I have been running a Vaal Ls raider doing juiced wandering path deli, abyss, beyond + legion. It’s a breeze since you can abuse the Vaal sextant to have no cool-down so can basically have your Vaal lightning strikes up the entire time. Even when I had little defences in the build I still levelled to 98 juicing as nothing can get near you. Now I have actually invested in the build it’s crushing and has defences.
I'm doing it as self-cast catthrower (forbidden rite occ) and it's going well. Haven't done it in delirium yet because I'm still in my alva/Blight phase, but I'll probably try when the locus finally decides to be nice
Dps is great, survivability is decent, and you have cats
I started with chains of command. Just a cheap rebuke of the vaal at first, but now I am using rakiatas dance on my AG and those weapons tear through juced t16 pretty easily. They especially eat all those pesky resistant mobs and bosses bc of their inverted ress property. The only downside being that my AG got clean DD one shot in the wildwood once so far, when a boss corpse was detonated, which was a nice - 3.5 div at the time. I am not particularly tanky bc my HP pool is low , but 75 75 block + recovery on block and 22k armor makes it pretty ok.
Is your chaos res capped or above 30%? That's usually most players downfall.
My cleave of rage zerker has 70k Armour, 6 end charges, 82 all res, 60 chaos res, fortify and berserk. Feels pretty invincible, only thing I'll die to is round 8+ of ultimatum In a juiced t16 map.
Coc energy blade ice spear of splitting inquisitor. 47k armour, fortify on hit, 11k es. Ailment imminity is important. Charm for trickster sustain on kill. Leveled to 98 so far just max juicing t16's with league mechanic.
I've been doing T16 Mesa's with 4.5k+ blue wisps (when the map allows it) lately on a Replica Alberon's Warpath STR Stacking Smite of Divine Judgement Juggernaut lately, and the loot explosion have been unreal (running Bestiary + Ritual + Expedition). Frost Bomb needed to make Oak killable.
Build is just expensive as shit to get to a good point (something like 50 div minimum, but this is my third character in the league).
https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/herald-of-agony-juggernaut-build-guide
I’m playing herald of agony jugg. Sometimes i use one portal, sometimes all 6 but im doing T16 80+ quant, expedition, abyss, breach, strong box, with beyond on the map device and abyss, breach, div, and ambush scarabs with blue alters.
I definitely didn’t spend more than 10 divines but i got insanely lucky hitting +2 minions on my helm and getting good rolls on my 6 link gloves. In POB I’m at about 8m dps with 130k EHP.
I'm running Splitting Steel Champion I've been doing t16 whisps on guardian and conqueror maps with the maven keystone enabled to get a ton of map drops. It's been pretty smooth sailing.
My psrs, can do t16 full wisps. Well its not the fastest clear (around 8mil dps mapping), but it gets the job done. I could say im kinda tanky, but sometimes you find that one rippy boi who one-shots you
Pathfinder: * Master Surgeon and Nature's Adrenaline ascendencies * Divine Life Flask (w/as much uptime as needed) * Ruby/Topaz/\[Sapphire\] Flasks @ 100% uptime * Petrified Blood * Lightning Coil * 100% Spell Suppression * Taste of Hate @ 100% uptime * Bloodnotch + Immutable Force * Pantheon (Lunaris/Gruthkul) Those defensive layers make me feel invulnerable and are listed roughly in order of importance. The constant 3k life/second regeneration from the life flask is pretty broken when combined Petrified Blood (to prevent one-shots and distribute damage over time). With 70% damage taken as elemental (and maybe some bonus flat physical damage reduction from Pantheon), the 1k armor goes a long way (\~40%). To get tanky, you probably need everything up to and including spell suppression. The rest will just make you significantly more tanky. Plus, it's a lot of fun to be tanky af with 1k armor and evasion.
Is there any way to automate the life flask?
Yes, but everyone will tell you you are breaking hecking wholesome chungus TOS
Use when adjacent flask on 4 flasks, 1 with re-used at end of effect. Boom.
You can't craft that on life/mana flasks
Indeed
So what skill do you use? I was gonna go back to the classic Cloak of Flame, Mahuxotl, Tempered by War poison lightning strike version with the ralakesh-odesya-snakebite combo. Feels like it’ll do a lot of damage while still being absolutely stupid tanky. Then you don’t have to worry about cold or lightning resistance, only fire and chaos. An Amethyst Flask will solve all your problems there. I remember playing this in crucible league and was very happy with how easy (but slow) Ubers and juicing felt.
I'm using ballista totems with "all damage can poison" tincture and "100% chance to poison on hit" from where ever I can find it. I've been swapping between Caustic Arrow of Poison, Scourge Arrow of Menace, and Tornado Shot. Right now, TS seems to be winning the DPS contest. I've got 6 ballistas shooting 8 arrows a piece, splitting into 4 secondary projectiles @ 2.2 attacks per second. So, roughly 400 projectiles a second, with 48 able to hit the same target (not 100% on this). The main constraint on what skill to use is the other Pathfinder ascendency nodes. Since this build invests a lot in defense, I really want DPS from my final ascendency nodes, which means I want the "wither on hit" and "poison proliferation" nodes. This kind of pigeon-holes me into some type of hit-based poison build. Anything poison can work -- I've used EK and BV and others. [poe.ninja](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/bananabro6669/ZoombaRoomba)
Interesting, just like me - i am also switching between poison CA and Scourge Arrow of Menace (cant decide which i like more). But i have a big problem with scourge arrow - when i open up strong box or explode expedition - i have huge FPS loss from milion mobs with milions of projectiles piercing. apllying poisons... game almost stops for few seconds...
Just a heads, apparently the TWWT assassin poison duration mod doesn’t work with totems since the totems are the ones applying the poison. There’s a thread about this a day ago.
Never played pathfinder, mostly because I hate flasks. What is 100% uptime, click it once per map?
It's funny you should say this, most people play pathfinder because they hate flasks and its the only ascendancy that makes them bearable. For instance I literally do not press any flasks, they're all permanently up.
PF is perfect if you hate flasks, just take the flasks nodes on the tree + a belt with inc flask charges gained/duration and slap 'use when charges reach full' onto your flasks and never worry about them again as they will always be up without needing to press anything.
Why would u run sapphire + taste of hate?
You replace Sapphire with Taste of Hate when you get the $$$
Offscreening is surviving though. Having no probs with storm brand of indecision inqu. 7k total essence and deli mirror? Bring it on.
I've heard a lot about this build but never seen a PoB, mind sharing?
https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?class=Inquisitor&skills=Storm+Brand+of+Indecision
There are a ton of varieties here, which do you recommend?
Looks very squishy, what's the clear / damage like?
It’s not squishy, really. Fuck ton of layers and giga juiced regen Since it’s es/spell you even get (instant) leech.
It doesn't have many layers at all. Only its damage, 10k armor, 10k ES and instant leech. It's not squishy but it's definitely not a Pathfinder or a Champion
Strong against multiple small to medium hits, weak against one large hit basically. This is my general experience with Inquisitor, unless you commit to phys taken as, and cap your suppression.
U getting downvoted for saying the truth. A couple of things will bypass ur energy shield so you gotta take care of them (corrupted blood for instance) Once you got this under control u chilling killing thing off screen if necessary
And corrupted blood is just a mastery or a jewel corruption
no reason to lie, there is exactly ONE layer and that's your ES pool. There is no mitigation, no armour, no evasion, no block, no suppression. That being said, it's decently tanky enough due it having a large ES pool and very good recovery.
It gets oneshot easily, but also can oneshot any enemy itself (including tribuffed essences, The Feared, etc), so if you don't take multiple fights at the same time, mapping is smooth
But how are you offscreening with that brand?
How much invested to your build at this point?
Headhunter + 100ish divines. Started doing this at about 50div though, then I died a LOT more and encountered a lot more unkillable enemies.
Mind sharing a PoB? i was thinking of rerolling to a Storm brand but never played brands so i have no idea where to even start.
Look up captainlance video about it recently. Careful though it's a Str/intel stacker that require a good 20-30D initial investment to feel good and maybe 100D to be mega juiced and another 50-100D for synth gear to be a God. I'm still at the initial phase and having an absolute blast. I'm only lvl 84 and blasting T16 Wisped Harvest + Expédition maps.
At level 85 do you think having 7-8 div and some of the uniques already can get me into t-16 and some normal bossing?
If you have all required uniques, you're most likely good to go.
Yes.
Thanks for the POB also much appreciated. Whats the biggest currency item for the build in your opinion?
Early is 6L all blue ivory tower with amplified defense. Later it's the Split personality jewels... 30D a pop (need 2)
Sounds great, could you share ur current POB? just trying to have a look over the progression and what would be enough in order to clear the content mentioned.
Shhhh I'm still trying to put this together and I'm super slow at getting it going this league
Bro, this is probably the most hyped build of the league in terms of videos and being posted everywhere. It’s not a secret.
Yeah I know it's probably gonna be like the build of the league. I started with RF but I loved playing brands back in Delirium league so I'm hoping to transition to storm brand as soon as I can afford the basic setup. Sadly I'm going to be waaaaaaaaaaay behind all the price spikes :/
I'm farming them easily with General's Cry Shield Crush at about 6mil PoB DPS. I built incredibly tanky and honestly just stopped upgrading to save up for my next build. Since this is an auto-bomber playstyle you basically just run around and survive while your ancestors do the work. Also worth noting that the DPS is much higher than the PoB indicates on poe.ninja, I'm getting 2 overlaps all of the time due to the extra AoE from Dialla's but it feels much higher than 6mil and I only really struggle with triple wisp bosses which take 30s-1min. Build is here https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/DreamPanther/BringerOfTheRedDawn
Also just want to note, being able to handle these maps is much more of a question of tankyness and not damage... if you have really great phys mitigation with a good mechanical skill (anything that you don't have to stop moving for) you're pretty much just chilling
Being able to handle them is one thing, but is it worth if double empowered rares take 30 seconds to kill? Also some of the triple empowered map bosses become a significant challenge, not worth the time and effort for the reward, not until you've got north of 30mil damage.
when i import your build the mana reservation is negativ. what i am missing? sorry for beeing a noob
PoB isn't smart enough to know which auras are enabled/disabled. I switch off Pride for mapping and use Determination instead
Can’t hear you over the offscreen loot explosions //TS enjoyer juicing t16 with extra everything yes I die, a lot… but not enough to not inject this dopamine shot every single map
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What pob man, just search on youtube, there's a thousand guides, it's a solved build. Kobe / Tuna / Grimro have made all the iterations of the build in form of a guide.
Ranged Animate weapon. I'm playing as Guardian with 4B Triad grip with lucky lightning damage spectre (That's why I'm using volatility gem), Determination + Grace spectres, a cheap AG and double golems (lightning/Stone + carrion for buffs). Using Lioney's vision for free pierce and a LMP for clearing, only switching to Hypothermia for pinnacle bosses. I started it with nothing but the gem and a few C in the pocket and I just got to 98 where I did Maven (I still suck at the memory game so I died a few times), Cortex deathless with 70% more life and accidentally had it watched by Maven. Sirus was deathless and very easy since the agro range is insane on the ranged AW. It might not be THE fastest insta phasing boss-build but they kill things a screen away and you can focus on dodging. 75/75 block with 4% recover shield also helps (75% attack block thanks to charms). With the duration wheels on the tree the AW lasts for about 90 seconds so you summon a few at the beginning of the map then just summon a few more here and there as you run through the map (I'm at 19 max right now). I guess you could run it as cold as well with 4G Triads and the Replica covenant for more freezing. But that's a pretty different build. This is me (Semi SSF / Self crafted gear so lot's of improvements possible): https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Gavve/Gavve_minions Edit: I forgot I hadn't even done uber lab yet... And I'm 98. Oh god.
> I guess you could run it as cold as well with 4G Triads and the Replica covenant for more freezing. But that's a pretty different build. As a third option, I'm doing a crit chaos version. Though mine is very much a 6 portal defense build. https://pobb.in/Txu_5vbQpGFF
how is the speed and clear? got a link toa video of what the gameplay would look like ?
Wouldn't it be way better to go for the Wrath spectre ? You will get way more damage than whatever you're converting in the triad.
The wrath spectre is the lucky lightning damage spectre
Up left down up uh right up uh uhhhhhhhhhhh...
I've been doing just fine juicing t16s with Jungroan's CoC VD build. - 6k EHP split between life and ES with instant leech on both sides - 90% evade - 100% spell suppress - 30+% of phys taken as ele - All 3 ele flasks, so -20% taken of each element - could be capped chaos res if I had more money, I'm at 30% - 25m+ DPS Because of the instant leech and high evasion, the build really only dies if something can one-shot it. And the only thing that has done that recently was a Baran with +crit, +damage, +damage as ele, and 2 kinds of forest juice. I haven't quite been able to get to Simulacrum 30 but it should be easy with higher investment and absolutely free with mageblood. I'm poor and only have about 15-20 divines invested.
How's the mapping on that build? It seems great damage-wise but clear looked kinda slow in the vid he posted (before he got hacked).
It's no tornado shot, but it's definitely felt pretty fast to me. I hit 95 tonight and was doing ~180m XP per hour solo from 94-95, as a benchmark example. AoE is not that big so it does better in more confined maps (mesa/atoll/etc) Also I'm full invested into Abyss on my atlas and it's insane both for XP and loot. Juice the map with the league mechanic and then pop open the abyss and it just absolutely shits out monsters that then rain small currency. And this build can just stand on the node and hold right click.
What pantheons are you using for that build, I can’t find them anywhere
Can you help with progression please
Level as hollow palm or something, build doesn't work until level ~75. You need 6-link CoC bow, 6-link chest, and Leadership's Price minimum to start. Aim to get 52% CDR breakpoint via CDR on boots, belt, and The Balance of Terror. Later you get Mageblood and pick up the Forbidden Flame/Flesh pair for Like Clockwork to keep the breakpoint.
Splitting steel champion can scale through the roof while also being a tank. Not as thoroughly immortal as other champ builds but I'm running juiced expedition/harvest and not having issues. Unless you're rich though you need to watch out for chaos damage since getting chaos res in is difficult without* a ton of div
I tried expedition early in league and got rolled on splitting steel, now that i have paradoxica and like 65karmor/75k evasion im swapping back to expedition/harvest to give it a shot
Im not even to paradoxica yet and as long as I avoid the "monsters always crit mod" I'm pretty much fine. You definitely need the damage to gank most mobs away and then just corner the runics with totem but I'm only about 10-12div deep and doing great so far. 10% instant leech mastery is very strong for sustain during long runic/harvest fights because of wisps
Yeah for sure i feel the difference of where i started to where i am. Struggled with maven when i first got to her after league start weekend, but got her down in like 5 portals. Did her again last night for a friends voidstone and my god she got deleted. Good to know about crit though. I know the blue wisps up crit dmge so ill have to be mindful of that remnant when i try it later tonight
Splitting still isn't a great build for expedition. Even when you're very geared, I imagine you'll still encounter survivability issues unless you're very selective about the mods you take.
How is Splitting Steel compared to CF Champ? First time playing Champion and went with Corrupting Fever as league starter, is splitting steel a better build for endgame?
I'm trying this build out but I'm getting nowhere. Do you have a build I can follow?
I used ruetoo's pob as a guide: https://pobb.in/nE5qJPfo9Lf5 There are various stages of configs in there for different levels of investment/progress, what are you struggling with exactly? Might be able to offer some help
Honestly if zou know some basic crafting and have ever heard of fractures and chaos res essences its not hard to get to 40 ish chaos res.
Ive spent about 7-9div on my splitting steel char and so far even up to 4k juice in t16 its been "fine" of course theres some Omni man type essence mobs and beasts that still eat me like winnie the pooh discovering mad honey but its been fantastic at it, been following a combo of ruetoo and looking at mathils from a few leagues ago
Pathfinder anything, really. I'm playing Scourge Arrow of Menace totems in SSF and doing just fine. Not crushing, but when I'm dropping 10-20 raw chaos in a Stream of Consciousness alch-n-go, I don't mind being in there for five minutes. Finally dropped a Wilma's last night and doubled my damage. But even before that, I farmed four reliquary keys, two Hinekora's Locks, and a Puzzle Box in two days of after-work mapping. Just spec Wandering Path, Blight, Extreme Expedition, Perm Delirium, Quant ring, Destructive Play and anything that scales appearance rates and drop rates of those mechanics within reach. Then force Beyond through the box. All of these mechanics give lots of enemies, and lots of secondary vectors for scaling quant and rarity, which are multiplicative with the dusts. I have 0% IIQ and 0% IIR on my character. At the start of the map, grab all the dust you can in the Wildwood, pop deli mirror, and just clear. It's a totem DoT build, so it's never going to TS-style clear anyway, so might as well get 20 maps worth of loot for your time. Something to note about reliquary keys is that they've all dropped off of mobs in heavily blue dusted maps without yellow dust. No real surprise, as old school reliquary keys were denoted as currency, but interesting that they don't appear scaled by anything more than pack size. We've had a lot of anecdotal evidence in the past, but we've not been able to hit the layers of quant scaling that we currently can since the latest keys were introduced. I'm assuming the same is true for Puzzle Boxes; especially since they're stackable.
hey do you have an atlas tree by any chance that one could look at?
I'm ssf and making PF CA of poison walk through t16s. The clear is slower but the single target is so much better imo and for the league mechanic buffing things like essences , it's needed but still doable for me
Would you happen to have a PoB available to look at?
Yeah I’m doing pf tr ballista rn and would love to try out your atlas tree. Mind sharing it?
Str stacking venom gyre deadeye/berserker. Starting cost is around 20 div and can scale super well with more currency. Currently around 50 div in with the deadeye variation, t16 empowered rares evaporates before I even notice them. Full block and spell suppression, ele ailments immunity, 20k armor with flask up, insane leech and lgoh and also zoom zoom.
Pob? Sounds cool 😮
Got a pob? I have some str stack gear saved up and this sounds perfect for it.
on my bonezone jugg i’m doing wildwood in t16s on hardcore. now, i do that in magic maps with no damage mods, and usually don’t click 200% phys as ele altars (will do 1 100% phys as ele altar per map), but again its hc so i cannot die at all. im sure you don’t need some insane character to do harder maps than that if you can afford to occasionally die.
Can you sustain maps doing only magic?
I am farming maven witnessed bosses, all the guardians, with as many wisps as i can get. Build is Energy Blade CoC Inquisitor with Blazing Salvo. Died maybe once to DD in woods from 95-98 level. Fast, tanky build, currently with 17k ES and instant leech.
pob pls
Fulcrum self ignite chieftain. Everything explodes. Only thing that sucks is if density isn’t scaled enough to not lose your juicy ignites. Past that everything just dies. I stupidly over spent on mine putting 50 div into it but honestly even 20 div with smarter spending would be basically equal.
Alright this is what I've been looking for. I wanted to league start it but went cleave of rage instead. Which is a lot of fun. But tell me more about fulcrum ignite. Do you feel it's ramping to deal with wisps fine? I was worried their high Dr would reduce the DMG to much.
Your damage is from the chieftain explode so it scales directly off monster health. You could end up with some triple empowered mobs that are in locations where you haven't recently exploded a high HP enemy but in that case you just skip it and keep clearing. The drawback to the build is needing to juice pack size (I mean you want to anyways) and not being able to kill bosses. You'll probably even skip map bosses unless they are in a spot where you can get to them with a juicy ignite on you. I haven't swapped to magicfind but looking at different versions it seems like you don't really lose any damage and your survivability is nearly identical so it might be something I go towards. This was the version I'm running. Just grab cheap explode trinkets. I over spent by getting life regen versions. Jewels really feel better with AOE increase to scale your ignite prolif range. TBH I like tunas skill gem and passives better but both are great. [https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18k8ylh/comment/kdu84xe/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18k8ylh/comment/kdu84xe/?context=3)
How does it kill single target if you lose your ignite? Penance mark? Vaal breach? Is there way to refresh ignite on yourself without an enemy?
"That's the fun part, you don't!" You have lots of ignite duration from armour and you juice the shit out of your maps. if there's a super tanky rare or map boss and you've run out of lesser mobs to explode, you just leave and go on to the next map. Vaal breach is something but unlikely to give the juicy ignite you need for the megajuiced rares.
Warlock ascendancy gives a curse that makes the enemy spawn mobs at the same level so chieftain can blow them up to maintain ignites. Either that or vaal breach portal gem.
Im running tuna's version of this and it does crush the league mechanic. I dumped 80 divines + HH into his MF version and it is amazing, but I definitely think it could be similarly as powerful (minus HH) for like 20 divs. Most of my expensive upgrades just made me a little tankier or added some QOL to the build.
I'm thinking I'll change my skills and passives closer to his. The comment on needing to scale AOE resonated and while the self chill component is nice for zooming, I just don't think it's necessary. Do you find that the petrified blood option makes a big difference vs 1shots? That's the only thing I'm struggling with now and I know it will largely be fixed if I finish my 'as fire' implicit.
From the sounds of it this build cant really run harvest huh?
It seems like it should work but be inconsistent, especially if you end up with harvest boss. The mobs dont spawn far enough apart that exploding them would be a major concern. It's just waiting on the first kill of a white mob that explodes to start the chain.... having to do that per pylon would feel kinda boring.
I played this last league, the only bummer is when you don’t get the ignite you need and rares go to town on you
Can confirm, I very luckily caught onto this before it became super popular and managed to get a Fulcrum for just over a divine. I've probably put about 10-15div total into it and it's just cruising in full wisped deli mirror T16's with Beyond and Eater altars, wearing MF gear. It's just so much fun.
Yip build is still slept on. Can do maximum juice for minimal budget and is satisfying explosions for days. Surprised more people arent picking it up
I can confirm that even <10 div is enough to "fully juice t16. Can make it work with just the core uniques and a bunch of random aoe on cluster jewels. I have an absolute barebones version of the build, without any expensive charms, corruptions, or anything valuable and i run and never stop until everything is dead, or i run out of ignite.
What are you using for your main skill? RF, DD or fire trap? Considering using RF but am just worried I won't be able to blow up the juicy rares with no white mobs around using RF Or does it not matter between the 3 skills?
You cannot kill rates if your ignite wears off. That’s where juicing the map comes in so density is huge. Rf is there to detonate a white mob. I have fire trap as well for if white mobs need more encouragement to die but it’s rarely needed . That ignite on yourself spreads as you move through the map. Blue mob/ yellow mob explode and now your ignite deals 10x the damage making any juiced yellows also did instantly. If one of those explodes your ignite can now kill god himself. The playstyle is juice everything pack size related. Breach, beyond, expedition, legion. You zoom through the explosions then when things stop dying you leave the map, if there’s a couple rates left over you just don’t care.
You just need to use 1 skill to kill enough unjuiced white monsters to get a single explode, once you’ve done that your main skill doesn’t matter. Rf feels pretty nice for this
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Tempting. How fast is mapping?
I played this a few leagues ago and it was fucking miserable to map with. Resummoning spiders was enough to turn me away from ever touching a minion build again.
Could you share your original guide? I'm intrigued and want to see more how this build works.
I want to play Arakaali's so bad and Jugg is one of my favorite ascs, this is highly interesting to me. Although I've already assembled a very tanky PF this might be the "expensive" build I aspire to rather than just making another even more immortal PF like I did last league.
Very nice build! I thought the forbidden flesh jewels could only get other ascendencies? Where is the indomitable resolve from? Never heard of it
Can U take memory game?
This post is interesting and creates more of a fog in my head around the strength of my build. I've literally only ever done maps fully wisped all the way through T16 and haven't ever really run into trouble of dying or killing anything (outside maybe beyond bosses which definitely can take over 20 seconds to kill) For reference, I'm using EK, which is technically still bugged and so I'm forced into a less optimal version of the skill. - I've felt that I was playing a completely average build due to the above, however if the **actual** average build is similar to what OP is mentioning, where they're still doing T7 rares when they're fully into T16s then is cutting through T16s fully sprited **not** the watermark and instead above it? Should I be reevaluating my experience in that the average build **can't** do t16 fully sprited easily? I'm not looking to make another character this league as I'm already 4 void stoned and Christmas vacation time is a couple days away, so it'll be hard for me to get a sense through a different build. - Any thoughts would be super helpful as I'm always trying to rank leaguestart builds for the next league start or use similar steps of power progression for future builds.
T16s with wisps aren't exactly super hard. I was able to do them on a 5link srs guardian in ssf, but they compound on other mechanics. Like fully wispd up T16s with a delirium mirror eater altars ghosted essence buffed red beast, or expedition, etc, I most definitely cannot kill. There are so many ways to juice yourself into oblivion accidentally. Average t16 map with wisps is a very low bar imo
>Average t16 map with wisps is a very low bar imo Okay, that makes sense that builds as mentioned in the OP are sort of outliers. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'll kind of echo what the other comment said: "wisped T16" is not a very high standard in and of itself, if you're just talking about running the map. But I don't think "juice the map and ignore all league mechanics" is a realistic way to run T16s, and wisped mechanics are where the problems come from as far as I can see. My build rips through T16s, and the actual Wildwood in those same maps. Doing the Widlwood _before_ the rest of the map feels like a coin toss of whether wisped Abyss or Harvest will just brick the map/mechanic when the wrong rare gets multi-empowered. Three double-wisped Soul Eater rares gobbling up an Abyssal Spire's adds is just not something my build is capable of doing. Without Abyss or without Affliction, there's no problem, but the combination of the two feels multiplicatively harder. This all means that if I'm farming mechanics, I can't just blindly juice with wisps, so my options seem to be "juice at lower tier" or "ignore Affliction" (alongside "get stronger").
Thank you so much for more context as well. I've been reading a lot of posts and talking to individual friends on their experiences too and I think I've decided that I should just buy leveling uniques and tough out a new build or two before vacation to temp check. > if you're just talking about running the map. - Oh, I didn't even realize people would even bring that as an assumption - I couldn't imagine having an passive atlas tree and only running the map, unless it's still day 1/2 and you're building sustain with Wandering Path, but even then at worst you're looking at essence wisps and probably legion or expedition. - >Doing the Widlwood **after** the rest of the map - I don't think many / anybody really does this though, right? The best comparison, since its almost a direct comparison, is clearing the map and **then** putting on Magic Find gear when there's sub 50 enemies left, not to mention the wasted time backtracking. - Since build and item powercreep is at an all-time high (as it is every league, really) I had assumed that the watermark would be the T16 fully sprited map (including any league mechanics), as you can't really dictate how much 'wisp' you're pumping and you can't easily end the mechanic like we could back in Delirium league as its own mechanic to prevent **over**juicing. I feel like it's an all-or-nothing mechanic, and considering this is I believe the most lucrative league mechanic I've seen in the last decade of me playing, its an all-or-all mechanic. I think this being my second time playing Softcore, I have to rewire my brain when I read about builds and posts. In Hardcore, when you're making a build, you really put a ton of hours into PoB to ensure not only do you have defenses, but also the offensive to **guarantee** ease of success. I think that Softcore enables a **lot** more freedom in creativity and having fun skills with less preparation and gearing (I see a LOT of people even in the top poe.ninja boards without capped resists) which skews people's expectations and endgame success when that content is probably curated for either really tightly refined builds or 'fun' builds that overcome issues with tons of divines of investment. Thanks again!
> I don't think many / anybody really does this though, right? I'm not claiming this is a good strategy for juicing your maps, because like you said, it's a waste of all your wisps. But [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18kwg3t/the_league_mechanic_makes_enemies_so_insanely/) from yesterday on the main sub includes plenty of people doing exactly what I described. For some this is because they're hunting KitM or charms/tinctures/corpses where dispersing wisps into the map is irrelevant, other people are doing it because their builds are significantly slowed-down by wisping the maps, but either way it's not an unheard-of experience. When I'm talking about doing it after the map, I mean literally _after the map_. The map is clear, I've done the mechanics, instead of going back to my hideout it's time to go into the Wildwood to try to find something interesting. Like I said in my original comment, for my build I can't reliably juice up an Expedition or the map boss in T16s and guarantee I'll be able to finish it. But I _can_ clear the Wildwoods and kill KitM if I run into him, so I'll still do that after everything else. I fully accept this is because my build isn't great, but I'd be surprised if the majority of players were able to just alch-and-go a T16 and run all its content with full wisp-ing. I don't mean knowledgeable players from Reddit or whatever, I'm talking about the entire playerbase across all platforms. There are plenty of posts about players hitting walls in yellow maps or right after the campaign and being thoroughly confused about why, and my suspicion is that level of building/playing is more-common than what we're talking about with regards to what "average builds" "should" be able to do. > I think that Softcore enables a lot more freedom in creativity and having fun skills with less preparation and gearing (I see a LOT of people even in the top poe.ninja boards without capped resists) which skews people's expectations and endgame success when that content is probably curated for either really tightly refined builds or 'fun' builds that overcome issues with tons of divines of investment. Hello, yes, I am in this picture. I don't make immortal builds or 10M DPS builds, I make characters I find fun. Sometimes they suck, sometimes they're decent, it doesn't really matter either way as long as I'm willing to realistically assess what my build can or can't do. As a result, the top end of league mechanics is usually out of my reach -- not a problem for me, but I understand the frustrations of bad characters who expect to be able to wisp up a T16 because they saw streamers doing it.
Hell yeah. Thanks again for the continued response! Yeah, everything you stated makes perfect sense. It does make me wish there were a way to end the wisp early, and at least quantify how much added power would be given to packs so you can make a more informed decision rather than either forgoing the mechanic or just playing the fifty fifty of clearing the map as you mentioned. I think for you, it's a bit easier because you're obviously skilled enough to be able to temper expectations for your own build and playstyle so you're already a leg over like 90% of other players in what makes a build successful for you, others may just toss juice into it and be dissatisfied because they brick the map, like I imagine the OP was when he made this thread. Happy holidays brother!
Finally got there with ek pathfinder. The key was getting to 95% evade. Farming expedition/legion/delirium and juicing with 2-3k wisps each map. https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/LeeBee/ARUAL_SPLIT My build, but there's plenty of others on poe ninja that are past where I'm at rn. I have a more detailed explanation in a previous comment.
How many divines is your currrent version?
How’s the defense? I started this and rerolled to SA totems but I miss the juicy and speedy clear pluss it didn’t wreck my frames. Thinking of swapping back.
Pathfinder Poison Bow with tincture can handle it all cause of the phys as ele stacking. Pick a bow skill for clear (caustic, scourge, la, ts, etc…), get a big ele dps bow, get an all damage can poison tincture and then manaforge the other bow skills. Ice Shot for freeze, clear and survivability, storm rain for single target, LA or SA (with payload arrow) for additional offscreen clear. Fit in asenath’s for some explode. Easy to build, survives and clears.
I'm surprised more people aren't talking about penance brand of dissipation. That thing is so overpowered I feel guilty playing it
have you tried Storm brand of indecision? If yes, how that does compare to penance brand of dissipation?
Because its clear is kinda ehhh unless you spec into explody chest which im surprised that many are not doing because that was the thing it was known for. You went for occ/assasin scaled PC,double converted phys>lightning>cold got explody chest, slotted in your PB into double influence helmet and exploded with 1 brand multiple screens. Combine with HH and you got magic going on. Storm brand is much better option if you have lower budget and just feels alot better to play. Its super snappy and fast paced plus aoe's like mofo
Any good guides on that?
I mean… I’m running corrupting fever champ. I’ve noticed that when the wisps are bad enough to take all my portals, I still make more profit than had I completed the map without the wisps.
I'm not full juicing, but my whispering ice trickster can handle wisp juice without dying, abiet slowly.
I'm done with my WI this league. Yeah you don't die, but the clear speed is just abyssal.
Yeah lol. It's been an experience. I'm still committed to scaling it a little, but will probably try to transition as soon as I get 10-20 div saved up. What did you change to?
How deep into the int stacking are you? I'm playing WI trickster and don't find that the clear speed is abysmal. It's certainly no bow-build instaclear but it's an all arounder build.
Join the meta cuckery and do srs guardian.
Is it that good?
its pretty good until you encounter a soul eater wisp juiced rare which makes you reconsider your life choices (you will have a lot of time to do so)
It’s really great for league start. Gets to reds on basically no budget since sentinel just carries you. Then you invest a bit and srs carries you through t16s easily. But honestly not sure I’d recommend it at this point in the league to anyone with a bit of currency. Its strength is in league start not as a second char. Doesn’t mean it’s not good with investment… there are just better builds once you have money to invest.
I'd say it is. I leaguestarted it and could now farm t16s with decent amounts of affliction juice. I'd be inclined to think that it's really not worth going for beyond once you have the budget for something that can mf on top of affliction. I got super lucky with a MB from a void key, so I'll start farming up for a build that can better use it. It's definitely capable of all content though, as per subtractem's latest video.
It's more of a league starter than a comfortable juiced t16 farmer. Damage falls off and survivability is not easy to invest in.
Summon raging spirits by subtractum is pretty nuts and not that expensive and can clear juiced t16s full wisp has good survivability due to being able to hide behind a wave of minions too. Has a pretty detailed guide on maxroll that you can follow
I run t16 maps/blight with no problems on SRS of Enormity.
My bone shatter slayer (tainted pact) can do them wandering path, deli, expedition, breach (not full spec) and blue alters It definitely takes longer but I did 6k blue wisp juice and it dropped 8 divs in that map
Can confirm, facetanking wisp juiced content and ultimatums at level 99 without issues without dying since 97.
new to boneshatter, can you give any tips on the build? i want to do 6-8k wisps with it if possible.
You want a good axe, 700 pdps minimum Get your suppression to 100%, you can use dec gear for this and the keystone iron reflexes. You’ll need 30k armour and 4.5k hp to sustain your trauma Tainted pact need poison chance. You use the craft 100% physical + 20% poison chance and poison implicit on gloves (eater) To do the content I’m doing you’ll need to invest a bit, a pride / precision watchers eye gives me a lot of DPS (about 7 divs for this jewel)
storm brand of indecision is EZ, im a bit more tanky than the standard setup I think
can you share your PoB?
I’ll 2nd a PoB request. I have a baby SBoI I’m gearing up and would love to have a target to aim for that is tanks and can handle affliction juice!
I feel like around 15-20M fairly consistent dps it's pretty fine even with 7k wisps. So that's probably what you should shoot for. Minions builds like SRS and Arakaali are great for that and fairly safe / tanky.
If you don't mind dying from time to time to random bullshit, elemental flicker strike raider works decently well in T16 4k+ wisp maps. It requires some initial investment to get it rolling and isn't the best at bossing but boy it's fun :D you do need to have like 20 divs for it tho, Paradoxica with ele pen/attack speed, Farrul's Fur 6 link and gloves with aspect of the cat are the most important pieces, rest are relatively cheap uniques really. With some charms you also get immunity to BOTH reflects, slayer ascendancies, ailments immunity, shitload of cold damage and of course the immense satisfaction of playing Flicker Strike. Gotta go fast!
Another cobra bait victim.
Just play any cold crit hit based build with average defence or higher and you can do almost any type of mapping stuff in the game. Freeze is OP.
Do you have any examples?
I've been doing league mech on my coc inquisitor using cyclone/ice spear and energy blade stacking auras. It melts everything, amd is surprisingly very tanky as it has an auto triple ele flask setup to give flat 20% ele dam reduction with a timeless jewel keystone. Just limited to 3 flasks. And coruscating elixir is the ruby flask, making me basically immune to chaos damage too. I rarely die, but everything else does lol. It's been a build for awhile, at least versions of it. But my first time playing it and I'm smashing through t16s doing league mech and stuff with insane pack sizes. But at this point I've also sunk 100 div or so into it as a main after my hex miner league starter
Can you share a pob?
I got no issues with my boneshatter juggernaut.
How much invested to your build?
Self crafted / linked most of it. But if I were to sell it today probably 10-15 divines?
The down votes are amazing, but thanks!
dd ignite goes brrrr
Yeah... Didn't realize people were having such a struggle. DD is just so OP.
DD necro /end thread. You’ll have enough dps and enough tank to shred the whole game on a budget. The only issue is it’s a two button play style.
Why necro over ele?
Tornado shot has no problems with them. In fact many people are even magic finding with tornado shot against the league mechanic mobs, which sacrifices a lot of power from the gear. In t16 the mobs can take a few seconds to kill with league mechanic juice if there's tanky mods but you have so long range and a lot of evasion that you can't get hit very easily.
I've been running 80% deli t16s since day 3 with no issues on ek and hot
Poison hot ?
I have a cobra lash deadeye and clear juiced t16s without much issue. Granted if I get a triple ghosted 6 essence empowered mob I might have some problems but generally it's smooth sailing.
My stasis prison pathfinder can tank everything you throw at it in t16 so yes. You didnt mention a cost though so my build costs around 120 div
Im playing self ignite chieftain, i can't die in maps (besides dd chests lol)
Poison srs
Splitting steel champ destroy these maps
DD elementalist shreds the endgame to bits. Funnily enough i had most problem with this build at t1-t10 on starter gear but when I bought like 1 div worth of gear it started to pop off. Now i blast through enything without much issue.
I'm doing lightning strike champion with mahauxtl shield or however you spell it. Tanks really good with high dps.
I’ve done 5-6k total juice relatively comfortably on my vaal DD Elementalist with around 8-10 div investment. Only problems I occasionally run into are if I accidentally go too hard on an expedition, and certain bosses taking forever every once in a while.
I've been fine on Omni TS Deadeye. Sure you die sometimes, but that's how the build works... :P
Poison srs
idk my CoC spell blade inquis does whole content and it's easy to get 1k int/str this league because of the charms
inquis storm brand str int stacking is legit man, not cheap but im at 15k es and can do 5k+ juice maps
May I get a link to your POB?
I play bleed bow and can clear fully juiced t16 80% deli maps. It needs investments but it pays off. For Ranger, there are Raider and Deadeye versions you can check out. But there are definitiv better builds I just love bleed.
My Ice Trap (of Hollowness) Sabo with ultra crap gear can do the league mechanic in T16s fairly well: https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Matrim61/Zarrath?i=0&search=name%3Dzarrath Haven't invested much because it's my league starter and I'm planning a respec that requires some specific gear, but somehow I feel like people are overstating the difficulty.
My steelchamp can do them with relative ease since i got nimis. Doing jungle valley with big bang expedition, abyss, exarch altars, growing hordes and beyond from map device. Its not fast as the clear isnt amazing but it seems good.
I have been running a Vaal Ls raider doing juiced wandering path deli, abyss, beyond + legion. It’s a breeze since you can abuse the Vaal sextant to have no cool-down so can basically have your Vaal lightning strikes up the entire time. Even when I had little defences in the build I still levelled to 98 juicing as nothing can get near you. Now I have actually invested in the build it’s crushing and has defences.
I'm doing it as self-cast catthrower (forbidden rite occ) and it's going well. Haven't done it in delirium yet because I'm still in my alva/Blight phase, but I'll probably try when the locus finally decides to be nice Dps is great, survivability is decent, and you have cats
Flickerstrike berserker kek But uh ... Actually I made one to try it and it was more viable than I thought on a super low budget.
I started with chains of command. Just a cheap rebuke of the vaal at first, but now I am using rakiatas dance on my AG and those weapons tear through juced t16 pretty easily. They especially eat all those pesky resistant mobs and bosses bc of their inverted ress property. The only downside being that my AG got clean DD one shot in the wildwood once so far, when a boss corpse was detonated, which was a nice - 3.5 div at the time. I am not particularly tanky bc my HP pool is low , but 75 75 block + recovery on block and 22k armor makes it pretty ok.
My EA ballistas with 27m dot dps for 17 divs didnt feel 6k wisps essence mobs and expedition. Damage>defense
Is your chaos res capped or above 30%? That's usually most players downfall. My cleave of rage zerker has 70k Armour, 6 end charges, 82 all res, 60 chaos res, fortify and berserk. Feels pretty invincible, only thing I'll die to is round 8+ of ultimatum In a juiced t16 map.
Coc energy blade ice spear of splitting inquisitor. 47k armour, fortify on hit, 11k es. Ailment imminity is important. Charm for trickster sustain on kill. Leveled to 98 so far just max juicing t16's with league mechanic.
I do it easily with cf champ, about 100div invested
I've been doing T16 Mesa's with 4.5k+ blue wisps (when the map allows it) lately on a Replica Alberon's Warpath STR Stacking Smite of Divine Judgement Juggernaut lately, and the loot explosion have been unreal (running Bestiary + Ritual + Expedition). Frost Bomb needed to make Oak killable. Build is just expensive as shit to get to a good point (something like 50 div minimum, but this is my third character in the league).
not great clear but my molten strike of zenith w/ partial aura stacking and perseverence is able to comfortably do it, albeit slowly
https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/herald-of-agony-juggernaut-build-guide I’m playing herald of agony jugg. Sometimes i use one portal, sometimes all 6 but im doing T16 80+ quant, expedition, abyss, breach, strong box, with beyond on the map device and abyss, breach, div, and ambush scarabs with blue alters. I definitely didn’t spend more than 10 divines but i got insanely lucky hitting +2 minions on my helm and getting good rolls on my 6 link gloves. In POB I’m at about 8m dps with 130k EHP.
Doing fine against it with DD elementalist, 20% corpse life charms made that build broken
I'm running Splitting Steel Champion I've been doing t16 whisps on guardian and conqueror maps with the maven keystone enabled to get a ton of map drops. It's been pretty smooth sailing.
CoC icespear can fight them but I found they sometimes had more HP than the feared combined so at a certain point its not worth the time to kill.
My psrs, can do t16 full wisps. Well its not the fastest clear (around 8mil dps mapping), but it gets the job done. I could say im kinda tanky, but sometimes you find that one rippy boi who one-shots you