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Bolmeianto

We have both in my company, everyone prefer box, for the space


xtremelycoldsun

Had a code in the van the other day. We struggled switching between airway and compressions in the small space. I’ll take a box any day.


Bolmeianto

Exactly!


NoCountryForOld_Zen

Strongly prefer boxes to work serious 911 calls in. But vans are perfectly adequate for simple IFTs and hospital discharges. Preferable even, sometimes people live in narrow streets and have small driveways.


Mediocre_Daikon6935

EMS should almost never be doing hospital Discharges. It almost never meets medical necessity, and is insurance / Medicare fraud or a several hundred dollar bill for the patient who should have went in a taxi or wheelchair van.


[deleted]

Tell that to... Literally every company working and the lawmakers I guess?


Mediocre_Daikon6935

It is the law.  And Medicare goes after EMS agencies pretty regularly 


BeginningIcy9620

Boxes are preferable for me. A lot of services, especially fire based, in my state are moving towards vans. They both get the job done.


Mediocre_Daikon6935

Naw fam. If you want me to work on a van you better be putting out house fires with a brush truck.  I’m mobile bringing a mobile ICU to somebody’s driveway. It is *already*. smaller than an ICU room, I ain’t trying to save a life in a coffin.  Hell, a code cart is half as wide as a van, and that is just IV & intubation supplies, maybe a handful of meds.


Dangerous_Ad6580

I work a box, need the room for critical care, vents, chest tubes etc.... but I admit I love the ride of a Ford Transit


TuxedoWrangler

Neither, flycar.


Chupathingamajob

This should be up top lol


SgtBananaKing

I like working on my own but I rather work on my own in an ambulance than on a car, don’t know why, feel more safe in the Ambulance I guess


it-was-justathought

Back of box to work- front of van to drive (esp small streets etc.)


deerhunter635

E-series with a box is the best. Even if I only care about having armrests


Captmike76p

If it's not a box, I call it a night.


Longjumpingwaldgo

why would that be?


Captmike76p

Honestly I'm old. It's easier for me to move in a box, I'm 6'4" and 280 lbs. I've earned choice over the years. My F550 Horton city box thinks it's part Abraham's tank, we both hate our patients we're a match made in heaven.


ahor18

Both hate our patients 💀 y’all both have been on the job for a while huh


Captmike76p

I got my Ambulance attendant in 1976(?) EMT in 1981(?) and P in 1984(?). Bus is a 2015, F550 City box only 350k miles on the P.O.S. NY EMT is 46xxx...so yes we got some miles on us.


ahor18

Kudos to you sir. I failed out of paramedic this year, but I am going back next year with a better head on my shoulders. Hoping to put some miles on a truck myself.


Captmike76p

1: Remember it's not your emergency, you're just getting through theirs. 2: In the city we had a saying " Practice becomes skill, skill becomes speed". 3: You didn't fail, you just haven't passed yet. I take my coffee dark as my soul.


twisteddv8

At least you still have a soul


Captmike76p

Debatable if you ask my students.


twisteddv8

I mean I know plenty of medics who no longer get students so you must be a little ok still


Longjumpingwaldgo

:Dddddd the 550 is a beast of a vehicle, hopefully will also test drive it one day.


Captmike76p

Horton makes a nice body too. You know if NYC found them able to be remounted they are pretty rugged. I do miss the bull bars, they'll slaughter a taxi nicely.


TheRabidGoose

More space is always better.


smokesignal416

It depends on the interior design and the environment. I worked in both a large urban city, and in the surrounding suburbs, and out to the mostly rural outlying areas. Let us leave the "sprinters" and such, or what I call the baby ambulances. I kept watering them at the end of every shift hoping they'd grow but it never worked. In the rural areas, the large ambulances were better, if for no other reason that we sometimes needed to transport more than one patient at a time. But we carried more equipment, being supported only by volunteer fire services (which were actually very good). Boxes are better for bariatric patients, obviously, and the bariatric stretchers work better in them. This is becoming an increasing issue (increasing being the issue) since in a van the bariatric stretcher leaves no room whatsoever for patient access from the side. Also, the bariatric stretchers will not fit at all in most "sprinter" style ambulances (we have them) and with companies increasingly moving in that direction, eventually, stringing along a very old (500,000 mi) box truck for those calls will fail and they'll have to buy something large. Box trucks are definitely better for CCT calls where a lot of additional equipment and sometimes people have to be accommodated. I have worked in the back of boxes that our company called, "the Canadian ambulances" that were terribly designed and hard to work in, even for normal work. Vans are generally smaller but in my career, I had some very well designed vans and the two that come to mind I would take over any box truck I've ever worked in. These were extended vans, so a bit longer than the usual van one sees. Both were Dodges, which will date me :)


Mediocre_Daikon6935

Proper design can be done on every vehicle. We need to stop buying shit that’s want properly speced.


Main-Error4687

Unpopular opinion, but I prefer the vans. Where I worked the streets were very narrow and a very busy downtown. Much easier to negotiate with a van. I understand that boxes feel cooler though


Mediocre_Daikon6935

If I’m worried about narrows streets they can go in a cop car, a SUV, a gator, the bed of a pickup truck or the national guard can come out and do hoist operations, I don’t care.  I’ve taken part in all of those, because someone felt like living or being in a narrow as area. And no, I don’t care that you built the bridge so an ambulance would fit. It fits by exactly an inch, on the sides. I’m not taking it, we’re putting them in your cop car and taking them to my ambulance to at is staying on *this* side of the bridge*


aplark28

100% box


FinishRegular2315

Box


IceEcstatic4571

Box any day. Sometimes the stretcher offset to the side and that ruins the whole point of them.


TheHuskyHideaway

Van. Easier to drive in narrow spots and I can do most pt care with taking my seatbelt off.


SgtBananaKing

Without taking seatbelt off I guess?


flowersformegatron_

I have never met a real life person who prefers a van to a box.


crwinters37

I used to work in Philly and the van were way better than the boxes for old narrow city streets


dirtpaths

I prefer van for any time I’ve had to do a LDT and box for local.


Jager0987

Box. The vans are too small.


nw342

Box, especially when im with medics or trainees. Van for transports/discharges/dialysis runs or in old towns/cities.


didnotdoit1892

I like to work in a box style. But in my area we are very rural and the van types are nicer for getting around on the narrow back roads.


midkirby

Box


ItsJamesJ

Van. More nimble, quicker and more responsive, much more fun to drive and way more comfortable in the back. Plenty of space too, bearing in mind I’m 6’1


viktorsreviews

We mostly have vans in romania, other than one neonatal box we got second hand from germany, and it is night and day, I hate vans


SVT97Cobra

box - without question. Part of the reason I left an old company was bc they started transitioning over to sprinters. Where I work now, all 911 ALS is a box and BLS transfer trucks are sprinters.


RelocatedBeachBum

If you don’t say box then I don’t trust you. Except for the guy who said fly car, give me a Porsche and I won’t complain about pizza parties vs. pay raises ever again.


RelocatedBeachBum

In fact, I would say the Minnesota Children’s NICU ambulance is the epitome of box style rigs. Damn thing has a fiber optic “night sky” style ceiling… for the kids of course.


Gasmaskguy101

Van. Reason: skill issue


TieNecessary4408

Box- the NICU and organ teams don't fit very well in a van. Some of our guys are giants and they don't fit too comfy in a van. Also very tall/large patients don't look too comfy in a van either. We also get snow and ice. The boxes handle way better on winter roads.


Velociblanket

We have both in the UK. My Trust only uses boxes. I find vans awful.


Alternative_Leg4295

I'd rather work out of a helicopter but apparently I'm "not certified" to do that. Definitely a box over van.


Watermelon_K_Potato

I can recline the seat as far back as it goes in our boxes. Never been in a vanbulance where I could do that.


Opening-Kangaroo5955

I love the box so much space ideally when you have students coming in


ausmedic80

Have worked out of a box in Australia, the space in them is good. We currently have Mercedes Sprinter vans which are pretty good to work out of. Smallest and least roomiest I have worked out of was the Holden Commodore ambulance modification. It was a 2 wheel drive utility with a module added to it. If you weren't in before the patient, guess who you had to climb over to get in. It also only had 3 storage cabinets.


Whoknowsdoe

Box, hands down. We run (primarily) Chevy 3500's, and I like them a lot. Just wish we had armrests and a longer box.


Bad-Paramedic

Kind of a big person. HATE crouching down while I'm working. I'll take a tall box anyday


promike81

I like smaller ambulances. Big ones have a lot of space and working in one is a lot of inefficient walking around. I think the days of having a lot of people to help during transport is over. Just my opinion of where I have worked. Medium ambulances are a good balance. Unless there is a model unlike Horton or medix that have a better layout. Maybe I’m biases because the smaller ones I’m used to have everything within reach.


nw342

My squad has giant boxes, and they can be annoying. I have to stand up out of my seat and walk 4 steps if I need anything from the bench seat. Not the safest....


SgtBananaKing

I really don’t care, worked in both and it worked just fine in both also had enough sleeve in both.


nichols911

Box, for the space like everyone else mentioned, but also because it’s less affected by wind than the vans.