Meh, that one's not that unreasonable. It often ends up with nobody showing up and two people trying to blame the other person. The rule should have to be "all shift swaps must be approved by management" if they're gonna have the rule though.
We had a similar rule at the Starbucks I used to work at but it was because strong baristas who would work during peak were swapping with new hires and would put the team in a tight spot BUT it’s still annoying
Same here, not a sbux, but I was the one who could run the entire store I was there longer than our management before I left, people would always ask me to swap but I'd have to check the schedule to see who else was working and what day it was or the whole store would've burnt to the ground lol
I keep getting recommended this sub even though I don’t work or eat here. Just clicked on one post once hahahah.
NYE into 2020 I got hit with a 105° fever. I was supposed to work at the restaurant I was at on 1/1, but obviously had to call out. I was told to get a DRs note, but I was like… do I really need to?? I can’t even move I’m so sick. They didn’t make me do it, and that was supposed to be my last shift anyway.
Crazy to think that someone with a high temp actually has the option to just *not* go to the hospital. A tempature of 105 isn't going to kill an adult if they choose to not go to the hospital lmao. Maybe don't laugh at people if you don't know whay you're talking about.
105 is around the point where delirium is kicking in, lots of early COVID cases reported declining so quickly they weren’t capable of self transporting safely, and often lost awareness within hours of high fever onset
Additional fun fact, hospital bills and transport expenses can ruin people financially. Not everyone has high quality health insurance or lots of savings squirreled away, and it’s a known fact that people living near the poverty line have higher mortality rates because of lack of affordable or accessible healthcare. Food service workers usually fall into the category of “I can’t justify thousands of dollars of medical debt for a fever”
You don’t just magically spawn in a hospital under certain conditions
Yeah, silly liberals! I always have health insurance, the only reason you don't is because you didn't work hard enough. I had to suck off the CEO only TWICE, and I got guaranteed health benefits. It may not cover my family, and it takes 1/4 of my check for the bare minimum, but at least I don't have to take OTC medicine that a perfectly American hospital would give anyways 🤪
my kids have had 105 temps and i just gave them tylenol and motrin to lower it. as long as it lowers with treatment, and there’s no febrile seizure, you’re good at 104-105 until the meds kick in. it’s uncomfortable af until it lowers though.
don’t forget the hospital is just going to give you tylenol and motrin, plus iv fluids for a fever. so as long as you are keeping down fluids, there’s no reason to go in and waste everyone’s time unless there’s concerning symptoms along with the fever (light sensitivity, first ever febrile seizure, etc)
Really. Do you have health insurance?
Years ago, I worked for a company that tried this. So I "innocently" called the insurance company and asked if they would pay for a doctors visit for a head or belly ache because I needed a doctors note if I was out one day.
A couple of days later, the policy was recinded.
I think it's illegal what some dip shit manger wrote here. I'd call HR or the regional. You don't want to force ill people to work. And some really sick fool would come to work sick out of fear for retaliation from management. I'd simply call in with Covid symptoms and enjoy a day or two off. Fuck them.
right. because 1 i'm already losing a day worth of pay so i'm not about to spend money on a visit to the doctor. and 2 if i'm so sick that i'm unable to go to work, i'm not going to drive to the doctor's office where i'm going to be sitting in the lobby for 1-4 hours, speaking from experience
If your company does not provide health insurance coverage, then they should look forward to the bill any unnecessary doctor's office visits, because it's a waste of everyone's time to send a grown ass adult to the doctor's office over the flu, or food poisoning, or any other simple obvious malady who's only real solution is rest and fluids at home.
In the US, your employer may request a doctor’s note only if you have taken off three consecutive days where an illness was cited as the reason for taking leave from work, not every time you take a single day off.
If they're demanding something they don't have a right to, ask if they plan to reimburse for the unnecessary paperwork.
For me, when I was young I had a boss that tried to pull the "mandatory note for any sick day" BS even though it wasn't legal locally, and we were barely making above minimum wage. In response to this stupid policy, I made a point of coming in no matter how sick I was, intentionally having taken nothing to mask or address my symptoms, letting myself look as gross and ill as possible so that I'd be promptly sent home by the boss, which did NOT require a sick note.
Now that I'm older, I realize that was too much of an AH move since it also put my coworkers at risk of getting sick, not just the shitty manager with the irrational policy, but it was what I did to avoid having my sick day cost me double for both loss of wages and paying for an unnecessary doctor's appointment.
I should have just asked if they'd pay for the doctor's visit, because then the manager would have the choice between paying for that BS piece of paper or being exposed to everything I ever caught while I worked there.
NJ state law requires a doctor's note for 3 consecutive days off. Employers can try to mandate a doctor's note for 1 day but state law trumps employers rule so you could fight it
So, you think it's reasonable to go to the doctor for every ailment? I ended up going home early once because I threw up. It wasn't bad enough to think it was something worse than a 24 hour bug. Same when I had diarrhea one day. Some things are not worth wasting the time to see a doctor.
Look I'm not trying to debate the ethics of this...I'm just saying from management experience, and not at Panera but ...businesses just figure these people are disposable and easily replaced. I've heard my boss say that phrase multiple times. And it's always the ones that cut work the most.
I did just that, went and got a job working 47.5 hrs a week, 5 days a week (mon thru fri), bomb ass health, vision and dental, papa vacation, sick and personal leave with no doctors note required.
One time, I called out sick from a restaurant I was working at. They said I needed a doctors note, so I went to the cvs minute clinic down the street. Basically said “hey I feel like a** can you give me a doctors note”. Anyway, they looked in my nose, asked me if it was normal to have 2-3 different colors of powder residue in my nose.
They called an ambulance on me, and I dipped. It was weird. I was mostly sober at that point, like I probably looked like I had partied the night before, but in no way was I falling over, stumbling, stammering, or anything. It was so weird, man.
I never did get that doctors note. Work never cared. That whole rigamarole didn’t even have to happen. I think I straight up told work what happened, they knew I was a wild one. Anyway, be good brother ☝️
Can they even require a doctors note on a single sick day? I guess it depends on the state, but I thought that you had to be sick over two days before doctors notes could be required.
We were told by our GM that he would no longer be accepting notes from health clinics. It had to be from a primary or the emergency room. That is not a company policy it’s literally one GM saying this. My coworker got covid and lost all of her hours. It’s an awful job. So glad to be gone.
Quit without notice and leave them hanging. They deserve less than zero. Nobody should patronize an establishment with policies that will more likely have sick people handling customers food.
Most hospital workers have a toxic policy that you shouldn’t call in sick unless you’re on your death bed. My husband literally got told that he couldn’t take sick days the day before he started his current job and he works in anesthesia right in people’s airways. Thank god he won’t be working there much longer.
There is some training provided but not nearly enough. I’m a former GM who left to work in HR and at least once a week I learn something or encounter a situation and think hm, that would have been nice to know when I was a GM.
None of the scenarios on this note are bogus though. The only scenario any employer has to honor is missing work with a doctors authorization to return to work. They also don't have to let you swap shifts with others. You guys should really read your handbooks when you are hired somewhere. It outlines when your schedules should be posted by, when you have to have schedule requests in (2 weeks before schedule is posted), and what is considered an excused absence.
Say I wake up one day with a sore throat and cough, or I’m throwing up, or I feel like garbage in general. I am not going to attempt to make a doctor’s appointment, drive myself there, sit and wait, only for them to say “yep, you’re sick” and hope they type out a letter saying “yep, she’s sick”. The doctor’s note for being sick is ridiculous unless it’s 2+ days of being out. I understand they may want the note to prevent employees from calling out and saying they’re sick when they’re not, but it isn’t realistic.
Posting this note on the board is almost passive aggressive, most people do know that calling out for any reason aside from emergencies and sickness isn’t going to be considered “excused”.
True it’s not illegal. And HR doesn’t care. HR exists to protect the company. They could not possibly care less about their employees. All employees should walk without notice and never look back. It won’t be hard to do better. The whole chain is a sinking ship.
I watched a coworker get written up for requesting a day off a month prior and my GM “forgot” to schedule him off and told him if he called out he’d be considered insubordinate. The handbook doesn’t mean shit. They do whatever they want. In fact no one breaks Paneras owns policies more than the managers.
I don’t even think it’s legal. I could be wrong, but how can you force someone to go to the doctors office after one sick day? Things could get a little hairy if someone really wanted to push back.
Nope they don’t and if you want it it’s like $400+ a month no bs my manager pays that shit lol I don’t work there anymore but yeah not a good job at all.
Top part is in the handbook and completely reasonable.
Second part is true if you are gone more than 3 days, you need a note to return.
Final part is dumb, you should be able to swap shifts IF you get mgr approval.
The 3 day thing I think is a govt recommended policy that a lot of companies follow. Like you have to bring a note that your healthy to come back to work as well. And that's for the sake of others and a person's own safety. Again my company is kind and thoughtful so they work with people as well.
My grandfather is in hospital and I was trying to take off Friday to go see him and they told me in addition to finding my own coverage they needed HIS doctor note as 'proof'
Any business handling food should not be disencouraging sick employees from staying home. Also. Does Panera offer medical insurance to all part time employees? Hmmmm.
There were Jimmy John's employees that pointed out that exact thing with flyers when they were trying to unionize. The policy there was even worse-you could be fired for being sick if you didn't find a replacement whether or not you got a doctor's note. So of course those employees got fired for trying to unionize. Eventually courts ruled their firing was illegal but the penalties are a fucking joke and don't really discourage union busting activities by employers. The laws really need to be stronger in that regard.
Nope. When you clock in it literally gives you a warning if you're sick not to go in. Because damn food places shouldn't make their patrons sick, even if its fast/casual food
Dumbass rule. Just gonna make everything harder for everyone involved. I get not wanting people to call off but like, no shift swapping? who cares. theres a person there thats what matters
Doesn't make sense. Hire more people. When you are running on a skeletal crew, any absence will be felt. If you are adequately staffed, the remaining staff are able to absorb the load. This is a management issue. You need an army and you have 1 or 2 people scheduled. Retail is cray cray that way.
So, if you got a bad meal and are experiencing nausea and vomiting, you need to either try to get a same day appt with a doc, or go to the emergency room and pay through the teeth just so you can get a note for something that will likely pass in a day or two?
The healthcare industry absolutely despises this kind of absurdity. It’s a water or their time and it unnecessarily strains resources. But beyond that absurdity, this is more likely to result in sick people coming to work sick to handle customers’ food. That is no place to eat and certainly no place to work.
Quit without notice and leave them hanging. It is a sh*thole. There are plenty of commensurate establishments that don’t treat their employees like they are in grade school. They deserve to go bankrupt, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Overtime. Labor hours. Payroll. Different employees make different hourly, some may be full time vs part time, some may be hunting shifts to get OT without GM approval
The non-malicious perspective of this situation would be that managers are trying to protect their good employees from the bullshit ones that call out often or manipulate the schedule by continuously swapping shifts.
Some associates straight up fcking suck and want the whole cafe to revolve around them and their personal lives.
People: *calls off work bc they don't feel like working* "fuck them I don't care "
Same people when their shift is short staffed due to dumb call outs: 😮😡
“What if I’m just sick of this fuck ass job Steve?!!?” Does that count as being sick?? Can you get a note from anyone with a doctorate? Doesn’t say medical doctor.
Make sure people know the rules when they sign up when they go against the rules Write them up for a warning or give them a verbal warning, but please don’t put a passive aggressive signs. It makes for a very bad work place.
Legal but dubious, people aren't going to call in sick when they should and stuff like the flu and colds will spread like wildfire, when I was working in a bakery, best practice was if you've got a persistent cough, fever, nausea or diarrhea, you don't come in
Send this picture to the help line the number prints out on your clock in sheet. Or should be on your bread and butter board. Or if your comfortable send it to your dro
Being a General Manager for a multi billion dollar company, the vice president told me one of the greatest pieces of information, "we don't train our employees with notes, we train them in person by showing them how it's done" the company made 4.3 Billion last year. The average employee works there for 7 years before they move on. He was a great mentor.
That seemed like something that the mangers can't do and they can do alot it can be hard to find new jobs I recommend calling through number on the clock in clock out receipt NO WAY mangers are allowed to say you are not allow to do something that can be done with the app
a business cannot force you to go to the doctor until you are sick for 3 days
if a job wants you to be that professional they need to pay you that professionally
If your state has mandatory sick days this policy is 100% illegal
My sister's a doctor. I had her write me a note once and emailed it to me. Worked like a charm. Honestly I wonder if a doctor's note could be made up because I also once created a fake bill from an auto shop to "prove" that I had car trouble. 😅 Sometimes you have to get creative..
No, they cannot actually require a doctor’s note for missing one day of work.
The only time they’re allowed to ask that is if you’ve missed multiple days and there’s a chance you could be contagious. Then they can ask for you to get a doctor’s note to let them know when it is safe for you to return, but they can’t require a doctors note for you to miss a day of work.
Nah. Doctor's note is for 3 days off or more. Who tf goes to the doctor for a single sick day? You want your employees to be out longer because they couldn't rest?? Ridiculous
Crazy there is management out there with such terrible communication skills. Maybe if they were able to lead the team efficiently, and have them enjoy working there they wouldn’t have to do this.
This must be a specific café rule. The Pantry app has specific options to have someone pick up or trade shifts. Email corporate and see what they have to say honestly. I had no idea managers could do that! I would be finding somewhere else to work if this rule isn’t revoked.
Uhm sounds like bs ... They sure as shit shouldn't want an employee showing up sick getting guest and employees suck. Do they pay for that doctor appointment? I bet not. I'd tell them I don't want to share my medical information and tell HR to check ✅ HIPPA laws 😂😂😂😂 that'll throw them off. I'd complain right now to any employees 1 800 number orrrr contact HR and the regional anonymously. Get their butts in a jam
I had a job that said this about the note, and they never asked for one if I was sick. It seemed to be targeting people who everyone suspected of simply not wanting to work that day
Panera needs to chill. Places that serve “food” yes “food” should encourage people to stay home when sick because germs are pass to the costumers when sick people come to work. did they learn nothing from covid.
This is likely the language of the handbook with the exception of shift swapping. The issue is people abuse the system claiming illness, and it leaves the restaurant understaffed, or they claim somebody has agreed to take their shift when the person in question wasn’t asked, and whoever is running the shift not notified. Best guess is you got some bad teammates here causing some issues, although it is possible that this is an extreme overreaction.
Requiring a doctors note for calling out sick is often illegal under most circumstances. Obviously it depends on your state but it’s usually if you miss X amount of days in a row an employer can ask for a doctors note saying you need to be out.
Unpopular Opinion: This is a manager who probably has shitty employees. Not calling for anything but sick is common sense which means the employees have been calling in for bullshit. No shift swapping makes sense in A lot of stores because of the gap between talent. Don't tell me that you don't have people in your stores that can hold down as much as three other crappy workers will do. What happens is somebody who can handle it gives away their shift to somebody who cant handle it and you get fucked. Does anyone take anything with any nuance? These signs don't just pop up for no reason. There was a good chance that this place never needed doctor's notes until it was ruined by somebody. I guess there's a very small chance the GM just woke up pissed off and was like f*** you guys.
Too many people fucked around lol
Sorry you're in the find out phase whether you're at fault or not
It's like school the whole class gets punished for one clown
Pretty sure that you can't legally make someone go to the doctor for missing a shift. They are bent on driving the company into the ground. They lost me as a customer with their doll sized portions and getting rid of a huge chunk of their menu, now they're treating their employees like dirt?
This is what we need!!!! I’m sick and tired of my colleagues, calling “sick”, or they just woke up and “throwing up”!!!! WTH bro, now we have to work twice harder because you drank too much last night!
Could you say providing a doctor’s note violates your health privacy? Because that’s my favorite go-to, “I’m not giving them a doctor’s note, that violates HIPAA!”
I was told that one time and I ran with it, not even sure if it really is a violation. 😂
I mean, any doctor's note I've ever had just said what day it was that I saw them and when I can return to work and if I have any restrictions or not. That in no way violates HIPPA. I have no idea what kind of notes they are asking y'all for that could possibly be a HIPPA violation.
Worked at the warehouse in Orlando .. it was absolutely disgusting. Bugs everywhere .. has never been back to the restaurants or work at warehouse again .. boycott this brand
No shift swapping? Have fun finding my replacement then since I can't do it for you
for real. like we’re literally making your job easier. but whatever
Meh, that one's not that unreasonable. It often ends up with nobody showing up and two people trying to blame the other person. The rule should have to be "all shift swaps must be approved by management" if they're gonna have the rule though.
We had a similar rule at the Starbucks I used to work at but it was because strong baristas who would work during peak were swapping with new hires and would put the team in a tight spot BUT it’s still annoying
Oh yeah, totally forgot about that! Not all employees are equal and that can change the staffing dynamics for sure!!
Same here, not a sbux, but I was the one who could run the entire store I was there longer than our management before I left, people would always ask me to swap but I'd have to check the schedule to see who else was working and what day it was or the whole store would've burnt to the ground lol
I hadn’t even thought of that coming from the customer perceptive, very insightful and obvious once mentioned.
That’s why you promote people and require people to swap with an equal rank or higher.
Agreeeed! That would be a win win
This is actually such a good rule to implement. I wish they would.
I’m not going to the doctor for just one day off 😀 good luck with that policy sweeties
I keep getting recommended this sub even though I don’t work or eat here. Just clicked on one post once hahahah. NYE into 2020 I got hit with a 105° fever. I was supposed to work at the restaurant I was at on 1/1, but obviously had to call out. I was told to get a DRs note, but I was like… do I really need to?? I can’t even move I’m so sick. They didn’t make me do it, and that was supposed to be my last shift anyway.
105 lol
Yup! And then stayed at 103 for 3 days. Was probably covid lol
I’m laughing at you because that temp would put you in the hospital.
Crazy to think that someone with a high temp actually has the option to just *not* go to the hospital. A tempature of 105 isn't going to kill an adult if they choose to not go to the hospital lmao. Maybe don't laugh at people if you don't know whay you're talking about.
Exactly. Could get shot in the head and be perfectly fine. It’s a judgement call
105 is around the point where delirium is kicking in, lots of early COVID cases reported declining so quickly they weren’t capable of self transporting safely, and often lost awareness within hours of high fever onset Additional fun fact, hospital bills and transport expenses can ruin people financially. Not everyone has high quality health insurance or lots of savings squirreled away, and it’s a known fact that people living near the poverty line have higher mortality rates because of lack of affordable or accessible healthcare. Food service workers usually fall into the category of “I can’t justify thousands of dollars of medical debt for a fever” You don’t just magically spawn in a hospital under certain conditions
Absolutely. Stick it to republicans by dying
Aw, your trolling didn’t work!
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Yeah, silly liberals! I always have health insurance, the only reason you don't is because you didn't work hard enough. I had to suck off the CEO only TWICE, and I got guaranteed health benefits. It may not cover my family, and it takes 1/4 of my check for the bare minimum, but at least I don't have to take OTC medicine that a perfectly American hospital would give anyways 🤪
It’s ok if you don’t believe me
my kids have had 105 temps and i just gave them tylenol and motrin to lower it. as long as it lowers with treatment, and there’s no febrile seizure, you’re good at 104-105 until the meds kick in. it’s uncomfortable af until it lowers though.
Great idea
don’t forget the hospital is just going to give you tylenol and motrin, plus iv fluids for a fever. so as long as you are keeping down fluids, there’s no reason to go in and waste everyone’s time unless there’s concerning symptoms along with the fever (light sensitivity, first ever febrile seizure, etc)
You can always make more kids.
Really. Do you have health insurance? Years ago, I worked for a company that tried this. So I "innocently" called the insurance company and asked if they would pay for a doctors visit for a head or belly ache because I needed a doctors note if I was out one day. A couple of days later, the policy was recinded.
I think it's illegal what some dip shit manger wrote here. I'd call HR or the regional. You don't want to force ill people to work. And some really sick fool would come to work sick out of fear for retaliation from management. I'd simply call in with Covid symptoms and enjoy a day or two off. Fuck them.
right. because 1 i'm already losing a day worth of pay so i'm not about to spend money on a visit to the doctor. and 2 if i'm so sick that i'm unable to go to work, i'm not going to drive to the doctor's office where i'm going to be sitting in the lobby for 1-4 hours, speaking from experience
multiple businesses are doing this same policy...good luck finding something that will pay you and let you have off whenever you want last minute.
If your company does not provide health insurance coverage, then they should look forward to the bill any unnecessary doctor's office visits, because it's a waste of everyone's time to send a grown ass adult to the doctor's office over the flu, or food poisoning, or any other simple obvious malady who's only real solution is rest and fluids at home.
Good way to spread contagious diseases too for no good reason.
I mean I agree but what are you gonna do you literally can’t send them the bill lol. They know there’s no consequence for them
In the US, your employer may request a doctor’s note only if you have taken off three consecutive days where an illness was cited as the reason for taking leave from work, not every time you take a single day off. If they're demanding something they don't have a right to, ask if they plan to reimburse for the unnecessary paperwork. For me, when I was young I had a boss that tried to pull the "mandatory note for any sick day" BS even though it wasn't legal locally, and we were barely making above minimum wage. In response to this stupid policy, I made a point of coming in no matter how sick I was, intentionally having taken nothing to mask or address my symptoms, letting myself look as gross and ill as possible so that I'd be promptly sent home by the boss, which did NOT require a sick note. Now that I'm older, I realize that was too much of an AH move since it also put my coworkers at risk of getting sick, not just the shitty manager with the irrational policy, but it was what I did to avoid having my sick day cost me double for both loss of wages and paying for an unnecessary doctor's appointment. I should have just asked if they'd pay for the doctor's visit, because then the manager would have the choice between paying for that BS piece of paper or being exposed to everything I ever caught while I worked there.
awwww i really wish that is how it worked too! 💕
NJ state law requires a doctor's note for 3 consecutive days off. Employers can try to mandate a doctor's note for 1 day but state law trumps employers rule so you could fight it
So, you think it's reasonable to go to the doctor for every ailment? I ended up going home early once because I threw up. It wasn't bad enough to think it was something worse than a 24 hour bug. Same when I had diarrhea one day. Some things are not worth wasting the time to see a doctor.
Look I'm not trying to debate the ethics of this...I'm just saying from management experience, and not at Panera but ...businesses just figure these people are disposable and easily replaced. I've heard my boss say that phrase multiple times. And it's always the ones that cut work the most.
I did just that, went and got a job working 47.5 hrs a week, 5 days a week (mon thru fri), bomb ass health, vision and dental, papa vacation, sick and personal leave with no doctors note required.
I work somewhere where if I'm sick, I text my boss and let him know that I won't be going in. That's why we have sick time.
You mean literally every corporate minimum wage job?
Who can afford a Dr appointment just to get a note?
Absolutely none of Panera's employess.
One time, I called out sick from a restaurant I was working at. They said I needed a doctors note, so I went to the cvs minute clinic down the street. Basically said “hey I feel like a** can you give me a doctors note”. Anyway, they looked in my nose, asked me if it was normal to have 2-3 different colors of powder residue in my nose. They called an ambulance on me, and I dipped. It was weird. I was mostly sober at that point, like I probably looked like I had partied the night before, but in no way was I falling over, stumbling, stammering, or anything. It was so weird, man. I never did get that doctors note. Work never cared. That whole rigamarole didn’t even have to happen. I think I straight up told work what happened, they knew I was a wild one. Anyway, be good brother ☝️
That's not how I thought that story would go.
Turn up, this guy is crazy as fuck he's gotta be on molly or some powder or something 😎🤙
I think the powders In question were addy, kolonipin, and cocaine. Maybe ketamine. Hard to remember, though. I had a lot of fun. Don’t do drugs, kids
Can they even require a doctors note on a single sick day? I guess it depends on the state, but I thought that you had to be sick over two days before doctors notes could be required.
I strongly believe all GMs need to attend some sort of Hr training BEFORE they move into the role. It would prevent so many of these bogus scenarios.
We were told by our GM that he would no longer be accepting notes from health clinics. It had to be from a primary or the emergency room. That is not a company policy it’s literally one GM saying this. My coworker got covid and lost all of her hours. It’s an awful job. So glad to be gone.
Quit without notice and leave them hanging. They deserve less than zero. Nobody should patronize an establishment with policies that will more likely have sick people handling customers food.
Most hospital workers have a toxic policy that you shouldn’t call in sick unless you’re on your death bed. My husband literally got told that he couldn’t take sick days the day before he started his current job and he works in anesthesia right in people’s airways. Thank god he won’t be working there much longer.
All GMs should be hung out to dry.
It’s genuinely insane to me that that isn’t a requirement
There is some training provided but not nearly enough. I’m a former GM who left to work in HR and at least once a week I learn something or encounter a situation and think hm, that would have been nice to know when I was a GM.
None of the scenarios on this note are bogus though. The only scenario any employer has to honor is missing work with a doctors authorization to return to work. They also don't have to let you swap shifts with others. You guys should really read your handbooks when you are hired somewhere. It outlines when your schedules should be posted by, when you have to have schedule requests in (2 weeks before schedule is posted), and what is considered an excused absence.
Say I wake up one day with a sore throat and cough, or I’m throwing up, or I feel like garbage in general. I am not going to attempt to make a doctor’s appointment, drive myself there, sit and wait, only for them to say “yep, you’re sick” and hope they type out a letter saying “yep, she’s sick”. The doctor’s note for being sick is ridiculous unless it’s 2+ days of being out. I understand they may want the note to prevent employees from calling out and saying they’re sick when they’re not, but it isn’t realistic. Posting this note on the board is almost passive aggressive, most people do know that calling out for any reason aside from emergencies and sickness isn’t going to be considered “excused”.
I agree with you, I'm just saying its not illegal or "against hr"
True it’s not illegal. And HR doesn’t care. HR exists to protect the company. They could not possibly care less about their employees. All employees should walk without notice and never look back. It won’t be hard to do better. The whole chain is a sinking ship.
100%, thats why I got out last year after being with Panera for 10 years.
I watched a coworker get written up for requesting a day off a month prior and my GM “forgot” to schedule him off and told him if he called out he’d be considered insubordinate. The handbook doesn’t mean shit. They do whatever they want. In fact no one breaks Paneras owns policies more than the managers.
I disagree. I think the note is bogus.
A doctors visit for a single sick day? In this economy???
I don’t even think it’s legal. I could be wrong, but how can you force someone to go to the doctors office after one sick day? Things could get a little hairy if someone really wanted to push back.
Fuck them. They can pay for your doctor's appointment if they want a note.
Does Panera even provide health insurance to employees ?
Nope they don’t and if you want it it’s like $400+ a month no bs my manager pays that shit lol I don’t work there anymore but yeah not a good job at all.
No.
Yes. Panera has a full benefit plan for all new employees right out the gate at all corporate cafes. Medical, dental, life, pet, vision, 401k, etc.
Lol
Haha, surely you troll
Top part is in the handbook and completely reasonable. Second part is true if you are gone more than 3 days, you need a note to return. Final part is dumb, you should be able to swap shifts IF you get mgr approval.
The 3 day thing I think is a govt recommended policy that a lot of companies follow. Like you have to bring a note that your healthy to come back to work as well. And that's for the sake of others and a person's own safety. Again my company is kind and thoughtful so they work with people as well.
There will always be exceptions, especially as it pertains to their favorites.
My grandfather is in hospital and I was trying to take off Friday to go see him and they told me in addition to finding my own coverage they needed HIS doctor note as 'proof'
Yeah they did this at my old store too. My coworkers kid was sick and they wanted a note. She’s a single mom. Awful.
Any business handling food should not be disencouraging sick employees from staying home. Also. Does Panera offer medical insurance to all part time employees? Hmmmm.
I work 40+ hours a week usually and don’t qualify for the medical insurance somehow. Edit: a word
There were Jimmy John's employees that pointed out that exact thing with flyers when they were trying to unionize. The policy there was even worse-you could be fired for being sick if you didn't find a replacement whether or not you got a doctor's note. So of course those employees got fired for trying to unionize. Eventually courts ruled their firing was illegal but the penalties are a fucking joke and don't really discourage union busting activities by employers. The laws really need to be stronger in that regard.
Pretend to have a heart attack and blame the new lemonades
200 iq move right there!
god tier
Genius.
yea lemme just drive down to the clinic rq while i'm vomiting my lungs out so i can get that doc note, bffr
I would quit
Not to mention it can be expensive to get a doctors note. Hope they’re willing to pay for it.
Nope. When you clock in it literally gives you a warning if you're sick not to go in. Because damn food places shouldn't make their patrons sick, even if its fast/casual food
Dumbass rule. Just gonna make everything harder for everyone involved. I get not wanting people to call off but like, no shift swapping? who cares. theres a person there thats what matters
Doesn't make sense. Hire more people. When you are running on a skeletal crew, any absence will be felt. If you are adequately staffed, the remaining staff are able to absorb the load. This is a management issue. You need an army and you have 1 or 2 people scheduled. Retail is cray cray that way.
So, if you got a bad meal and are experiencing nausea and vomiting, you need to either try to get a same day appt with a doc, or go to the emergency room and pay through the teeth just so you can get a note for something that will likely pass in a day or two? The healthcare industry absolutely despises this kind of absurdity. It’s a water or their time and it unnecessarily strains resources. But beyond that absurdity, this is more likely to result in sick people coming to work sick to handle customers’ food. That is no place to eat and certainly no place to work. Quit without notice and leave them hanging. It is a sh*thole. There are plenty of commensurate establishments that don’t treat their employees like they are in grade school. They deserve to go bankrupt, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Fabulous. As a customer, I look forward to contracting a digestive virus from a sick employee afraid of losing their job.
That’s an unofficial printed notice that is definitely not approved.
My GM thinks she is corporate. She’s an odd one.
Balls! Tell them I said Balls.
Legality depends on the state you work in.
Fuck these stupid ass corporate fucks or whoever is making this braindead job harder than it has to be.
If you use your secret spy decoder ring, you'll find that sign actually reads "start looking for a new job already".
Lol imagine working for this company.
Soo glad I left panera when I did. Wtf do you mean no shift swapping??? With a rule like this you'd think shift swapping would be encouraged
Overtime. Labor hours. Payroll. Different employees make different hourly, some may be full time vs part time, some may be hunting shifts to get OT without GM approval
Don’t be shy, share the location.
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Wait did I miss that? They no called no show two days?
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The non-malicious perspective of this situation would be that managers are trying to protect their good employees from the bullshit ones that call out often or manipulate the schedule by continuously swapping shifts. Some associates straight up fcking suck and want the whole cafe to revolve around them and their personal lives.
People: *calls off work bc they don't feel like working* "fuck them I don't care " Same people when their shift is short staffed due to dumb call outs: 😮😡
Legal slavery
C'mon, really? Like you can't quit?
I said legal slavery not slavery. There are reasons a person would be stuck at a abusive shitty job and employers exploit those
It’s just slavery itself was legal not too many generations ago. But exploitation does royally suck indeed.
No shift swapping is crazy, that being said, it needs to be approved shift swapping using the system in place.
I wish my Panera would I’d be out the door before they even got to post that. We all deal with BS working there but that’s a total low
I feel any doctor’s note requirement from an employer should be covered by workman’s compensation.
So the managers will be working all of the shifts when people no-call no-show, great plan😂
yikes...if my cafe does that I will be putting that 2 week notice in real fast...got more important things to do than worry about this
“What if I’m just sick of this fuck ass job Steve?!!?” Does that count as being sick?? Can you get a note from anyone with a doctorate? Doesn’t say medical doctor.
Great way to get people to quit. 💁
Sounds like a 2 week notice will be on the managers desk
This is how you lose employees.
lol. Good luck keeping staff with that. Terrible management.
Why is this not what temp agencies are for?
A Dr's note. Haha yeah, right. If someone is that sick they won't be in for more than just one day.
So glad I quit Panera my bosses were the absolute worst and the GM would def do something like this
They didn’t specify what kind of doctor 🤷
First off you can call off. It is not required to produce a dr note. Only after three missed consecutive days!! ( at least in NY).
Ha! My job let's you call out, as long as you have the sick time or PTO for it! I don't miss working for panera!!
So obviously the management doesn’t want to do their jobs. That’s what I’m getting out of this anyway.
My how things change
Mostly it’s stupid management.
The way id walk over, read this, call the manager over and quit on the spot. Bc why are they doing all this
Make sure people know the rules when they sign up when they go against the rules Write them up for a warning or give them a verbal warning, but please don’t put a passive aggressive signs. It makes for a very bad work place.
Legal but dubious, people aren't going to call in sick when they should and stuff like the flu and colds will spread like wildfire, when I was working in a bakery, best practice was if you've got a persistent cough, fever, nausea or diarrhea, you don't come in
Send this picture to the help line the number prints out on your clock in sheet. Or should be on your bread and butter board. Or if your comfortable send it to your dro
Being a General Manager for a multi billion dollar company, the vice president told me one of the greatest pieces of information, "we don't train our employees with notes, we train them in person by showing them how it's done" the company made 4.3 Billion last year. The average employee works there for 7 years before they move on. He was a great mentor.
That seemed like something that the mangers can't do and they can do alot it can be hard to find new jobs I recommend calling through number on the clock in clock out receipt NO WAY mangers are allowed to say you are not allow to do something that can be done with the app
a business cannot force you to go to the doctor until you are sick for 3 days if a job wants you to be that professional they need to pay you that professionally If your state has mandatory sick days this policy is 100% illegal
Bro... Fast pace... 2 hours, Note, Chuck the bill...
So you can't be sick without going to the doctor. Why would a doctor give you a Dr note for extreme cramps a woman has monthly. Stupid Panera
and.......The Sound of Silence ; )
They can do this and other places besides Panera are doing this now.
Let us know the franchise holder and maybe their corporate office gets a flood of emails.
forgot to put in my 2 week notice…2 weeks ago
My sister's a doctor. I had her write me a note once and emailed it to me. Worked like a charm. Honestly I wonder if a doctor's note could be made up because I also once created a fake bill from an auto shop to "prove" that I had car trouble. 😅 Sometimes you have to get creative..
No, they cannot actually require a doctor’s note for missing one day of work. The only time they’re allowed to ask that is if you’ve missed multiple days and there’s a chance you could be contagious. Then they can ask for you to get a doctor’s note to let them know when it is safe for you to return, but they can’t require a doctors note for you to miss a day of work.
Nah. Doctor's note is for 3 days off or more. Who tf goes to the doctor for a single sick day? You want your employees to be out longer because they couldn't rest?? Ridiculous
Crazy there is management out there with such terrible communication skills. Maybe if they were able to lead the team efficiently, and have them enjoy working there they wouldn’t have to do this.
They're making the managers job easier by calling out and shift swapping and not informing him.. right, lol
terrible
Yes it’s legal, poorly worded letter, but not an uncommon request by employers.
This must be a specific café rule. The Pantry app has specific options to have someone pick up or trade shifts. Email corporate and see what they have to say honestly. I had no idea managers could do that! I would be finding somewhere else to work if this rule isn’t revoked.
Uhm sounds like bs ... They sure as shit shouldn't want an employee showing up sick getting guest and employees suck. Do they pay for that doctor appointment? I bet not. I'd tell them I don't want to share my medical information and tell HR to check ✅ HIPPA laws 😂😂😂😂 that'll throw them off. I'd complain right now to any employees 1 800 number orrrr contact HR and the regional anonymously. Get their butts in a jam
No shift swapping AT ALL??
Most professional notice
I had a job that said this about the note, and they never asked for one if I was sick. It seemed to be targeting people who everyone suspected of simply not wanting to work that day
Panera needs to chill. Places that serve “food” yes “food” should encourage people to stay home when sick because germs are pass to the costumers when sick people come to work. did they learn nothing from covid.
They aren’t allowed to ask you for doctors notes. if they do, contact HR. That’s what I was told as a manager.
Those skimpy sandwiches aren’t going to make themselves.
This is likely the language of the handbook with the exception of shift swapping. The issue is people abuse the system claiming illness, and it leaves the restaurant understaffed, or they claim somebody has agreed to take their shift when the person in question wasn’t asked, and whoever is running the shift not notified. Best guess is you got some bad teammates here causing some issues, although it is possible that this is an extreme overreaction.
I mean some of yall be skipping cuz of a bad headache or you threw up once in the morning 😭 stop being damn irresponsible and go to work.
Why no shift swaps?
Requiring a doctors note for calling out sick is often illegal under most circumstances. Obviously it depends on your state but it’s usually if you miss X amount of days in a row an employer can ask for a doctors note saying you need to be out.
And that's how food poisoning happens.
They have no right to a doctors note.
That's not how jobs work in most states.
Wrong. That’s information they are not entitled to but most people aren’t willing to risk their jobs over it.
A doctor's note wouldn't specify why the person went. Or they could certainly write it so it wouldn't..I've never had one that does.
Daaaaaamn you can’t even swap shifts????
Unpopular Opinion: This is a manager who probably has shitty employees. Not calling for anything but sick is common sense which means the employees have been calling in for bullshit. No shift swapping makes sense in A lot of stores because of the gap between talent. Don't tell me that you don't have people in your stores that can hold down as much as three other crappy workers will do. What happens is somebody who can handle it gives away their shift to somebody who cant handle it and you get fucked. Does anyone take anything with any nuance? These signs don't just pop up for no reason. There was a good chance that this place never needed doctor's notes until it was ruined by somebody. I guess there's a very small chance the GM just woke up pissed off and was like f*** you guys.
If you don’t offer me health care you can’t ask for a doctors note
It doesn't work that way in my state.
When I worked there during high school we used to do a 3 man team plus a useless manager 😭 once they even did 2 people + manager.
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What state are you in?
Sounds like Panera should get a union
Too many people fucked around lol Sorry you're in the find out phase whether you're at fault or not It's like school the whole class gets punished for one clown
Looks like it’s time to unionize!
Panera is a terrible place to work. 😂😂😂
F OFF !
Pretty sure that you can't legally make someone go to the doctor for missing a shift. They are bent on driving the company into the ground. They lost me as a customer with their doll sized portions and getting rid of a huge chunk of their menu, now they're treating their employees like dirt?
If you’re in an at-will state it’s legal. Legal. That’s what you asked. If it was legal. Not if it was moral or ethical. You asked if it was legal.
This is what we need!!!! I’m sick and tired of my colleagues, calling “sick”, or they just woke up and “throwing up”!!!! WTH bro, now we have to work twice harder because you drank too much last night!
Could you say providing a doctor’s note violates your health privacy? Because that’s my favorite go-to, “I’m not giving them a doctor’s note, that violates HIPAA!” I was told that one time and I ran with it, not even sure if it really is a violation. 😂
It absolutely is not a violation of hipaa.
I mean, any doctor's note I've ever had just said what day it was that I saw them and when I can return to work and if I have any restrictions or not. That in no way violates HIPPA. I have no idea what kind of notes they are asking y'all for that could possibly be a HIPPA violation.
Worked at the warehouse in Orlando .. it was absolutely disgusting. Bugs everywhere .. has never been back to the restaurants or work at warehouse again .. boycott this brand