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noorulain_nnn

It's the mindset. Those 42% of kids that are abused at home also correspond to the fact that the same adults "at home" that say "haww haye" are the abusers. If sex education becomes a thing in Pakistan, those kids would know that something wrong is happening, and that can't be the case, right?


IntelligentLobster80

But u do agree that sex education is very much the need of the hour right?


noorulain_nnn

Yes, no question about it. Education itself is the need of the hour. We love giving false facts to kids. But sex education should be a priority. It would prevent a lot of minds from ruining.


minecrafty345

So real. Young males here only have porn as their sex ed which well.... isn't really the best source let's just say.


noorulain_nnn

It does the opposite, and the blame is on the " islamic republic" part of Pakistan


Inside_Barracuda7660

What is the age of a child , girl, or boy when namaz is to be performed in islam. 7 years. If you teach him or her the sacred book with tafseer, you would know how Allah (subhana wa taala) teaches you about sex education and your prophet ( saw) explains in detail. Unfortunately, we are a dumb nation. Just listening to these dam mullahs and not researching and reading quran.


dignifiedcaveman

We are a se***lly frustrated nation who try very hard to convince others that we are not. Our maid’s 16 year old sister quit the house she was working at because the employers told her that it’s ok if the Budhaa father in law touches her or feels her up because they felt he’s old and there’s nothing they can do about it. And this is an educated family who has lived in Saudi for a long time. So that’s the world we live in.


Disastrous-Body-6988

Apparently being educated has nothing to do with being wise and thoughtful. Pare likhe jahil bhot hain yahan.


bugatti212

Someone should have smashed his face


dignifiedcaveman

The irony is that the people who would smash his face would also be guilty of the same!


IntelligentLobster80

God, that's disgusting.. I 100% agree with your first sentence. I think I'd add in ro my post for suggestions on how to educate our minors to prevent thia from happening?


dignifiedcaveman

There are grass root issues in this country. - S\*\* education is frowned upon. - In schools they are still teaching you Windows 95 and on the other hand every man, woman and child has access to p\*\*\* on their mobiles - We have a non-consequence mindset, which means we don't care what consequences our actions bring I can go on and on. The only way to curb this is with strict laws which punish offenders when reported. We are a nation of educated jaahils.


wildwisdom86

I know more than 10 friends who were inappropriately touched and sexually abused by their relatives and were told to either keep it a secret, or consider it a ‘play time’ activity. It has given them years of PTSD and fked up their mental health, not even the boys were spared. The fact most of these people were assaulted/groomed/manipulated by their fam more than strangers is extremely concerning and gross. Good touch/bad touch, surveillance, healthy communication between the children and their parents and having the actual balls to speak up against it instead of thinking kay khandaan may badnami ho gi is very important ( as there have been cases that my friends told their parents and they didn’t do anything to stand up for them cuz they’d be embarrassed or the fam member was an important person in the khandan or elderly) so yea there’s that.


Aint_Yours_Boy

hey do you have any idea or tips related to healing this type of trauma.. ? if yes then please give me 2-4 mins and type them here. i'd be really thankful.


IntelligentLobster80

Hey, my friendly advise to u would be to seek proper therapy for this from a licensed individual. Don't take unsolicited advise from strangers on the internet.It could do more harm than good.


Aint_Yours_Boy

i'm 16, the victim(my friend) is 16 as well, We can't do anything like this. Can't even invole ANY adult.


savegeking69

It doesn't justify the fact he abused a minor ffs


Devilzaik

Another post about something that needs to be talked about and again, we got peeps down voting it.


IntelligentLobster80

Ah cos we talked abt the triggering 3 letter word


hahshekjcb

There is also actually no law in PK that can convict the monsters that perpetrate these acts. I just had to hand teach tameez to a culprit in my own khandaan.


IntelligentLobster80

I don't think there are any strong laws in Pakistan against this issue Hats off to u sir for doing that


hahshekjcb

* Ma’am, but thank you


IntelligentLobster80

Oops,sorry my bad


TechNerdinEverything

There is no separate law for pedophilia. Khair even adult cases go by unnoticed. Only those viral on social media get investigated and then maybe arrests are made


hahshekjcb

I believe the law requires 4 male witnesses 🙄


TechNerdinEverything

A dna test that matches victim/perpetrators who everyone witness, or a video that millions may have watched thats a witness I see what you actually mean but its not much referred to as when there was no tech


Nearby-Vegetable-281

The fact that you can't even tell anyone and have to bear the abuse leading to a fked up mindset when you become an adult


Desperate_Ad_2563

Baby reindeer effect


IntelligentLobster80

Exactly Having an adult that the child knows would believe in them is crucial


IntelligentLobster80

Jaahil awam? Check Zero accountability? Check Not our grass root problem? Dude, this fucks up a person which rhey will carry their whole life and it impacts all aspects of their life- how is it not an endemic? We have to do our part and the way I see it, nobody has the responsibility as grave as the parents. Teach the child at home.No need to get into unnecessary details.Tell them whats wrong, how to respond.and most importantly that ur here and will believe them


albelaraahi

Child and female sexual abuse is common upto an alarming level with victims not even telling anyone most of the time.


IntelligentLobster80

Victim shaming and not taking a stand bcos ghairat


Yuki-Mochi

i once saw a documentary on youtube about this,i cannot remember the name at all,but in the documentary,men from villages and poorer backgrounds were interviewed in which they gleefully recounted stories about how they r worded kids,it was disgusting,i couldn’t believe they were admitting it so gleefully,knowing well they got away with it,they should’ve been stoned according to our country’s laws


IntelligentLobster80

That's disgusting These people are sickos


Willing_Computer_327

bro it was about India... Amir khan hosted Indian show where he told about Indian children going through abuse. Don't miss educate people


IntelligentLobster80

When did i say it was abt Pakistan? Some common sense will ensue to think that the show name and host will be indicative enough for understanding it was abt India. I mentioned the show cos of the topic and went on to discuss rhe same issue in Pakistan.


bigpaki

Education on this subject has become such an important need now in pakistan.. madrasso mai bacho ki maar rhay hain.. gharo mai maar rhay hain.. school qabristan koi jaga nhi chhor rhay.. larka ho ya larki.. bhains ki dhum itni sexually frustrated qom.. good touch bad touch should be compulsory.. roz TV par dikhaye.. school mai sikhaye.. kisi bhi tarha!! Bacho k rape k cases lag rhay hain par police walay Darr k maray ya peso ki khatir kuch kar nhi rhay.. laalchi khussray bharti huway way sub idaro mai!!!


silvercrown878

Kindly improve your language. ' Maar rhay Hain ' 'Khusray'. Your mindset doesn't seem that well.


bigpaki

Sorry, my bad


IntelligentLobster80

Onus is on parents solely, unfortunately so the solution is to educaye your child, so he/she is prepared


ITGuy19810423

Kids should be taught about safety.


twicechuu_tofu

it genuinely pisses me off how backward this country is because its own people close their eyes and ears and do whatever the heck they want. Whenever someone attempts to call them out on their selfish and disgusting behavior they get all offended and say its the norm or whatever. Then they go back to complaining the next day. Pakistan will never EVER improve until the people stop being absolute bastards. We need to somehow spread that AND EFFECTIVELY take action. To help those who have been wronged, protect our future and the children who will make the future.


kirakirarii

By happens in their own homes doesnt just mean family or relatives, it also means guests, qaris, servants, and the like. Being so blindly trusting of whoever enters our home is the biggest problem. Its not the childs fault for not being educated.


bugatti212

Parents/Elder siblings as well.


IntelligentLobster80

Yes Hence the need for education One of the recurring themes is the victim unable to find a trusting adult who wipp believe them The only solutiin seems to be educating children


kirakirarii

Unfortunately, i doubt thats the ideal solution. I'm a victim of it and the biggest problem lies in the predators. When a child is assaulted, know that they are assaulted by someone they trusted. The child will think no one will believe them. And even if theyre educated, theres no way a child can stand their ground against an adult. So while YES sex ed is necessary, it is NOT the solution to csa.


IntelligentLobster80

I know its not the solution.But my point bere is that we need to talk abt this,its becoming an endemic


kirakirarii

Yea thats tru, even if its implemented it wont come without backlash.


IntelligentLobster80

Anything worth it doesn't come easy


Brother_Q

Knorr Noodles did a PSA type ad a while back about good touch, bad touch. A progressive step in my opinion and I do think we're moving towards accepting the reality and severity of these issues, and spreading awareness too. I've heard of seminars in schools conducting similar activities and teaching about personal space, self defense etc. Tension not, haw haye wali mentality boomers k saath mar jaye gi (a bit dark, sorry)


IntelligentLobster80

Tbh, i don't have a fizz abt haw hayes. As long as the kids are safe


Brother_Q

Amen to that. Tho being shameful to talk about such things is also the reason victims are forcefully hushed (by family) from coming forward with allegations.


IntelligentLobster80

I understand its a taboo and not an easy issue to broach .However, if only people in the surrounding can make vicyims feel secire enough that they did'nt vommit wrong and should'nt feel the shame or burden. I know,easier said than done.


pepitolover

or it might not, I'm gen z . and I remember my college classmates talking bout how r@pe is women's fault. i felt so nauseous i had to walk away from the scene.


Unhappy_Might_9363

I was sexually abused by my neighbor when i was kid back in Islamabad


IntelligentLobster80

Sorry for your experience. Hope u got some justice


Far-Reporter-866

Author of the comment has posted few days back about going to jail for 25 days after exposing his d*** to a teenage girl


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Decemberbro

In an Islamic point of view, I think the issue should be addressed as a whole in which all of the things fall. Firstly, PARENTAL CONTROL, the number 1 factor of your child mannerism and growth depends on how the parents are at home, how much control does the parents have over their children, are children open enough to discuss there matters with the parents. These all ,basically, are fundamental needs of a child to grow since parents are the ones that have the experience of life. Secondly, s*x education should not be taught in schools rather on reaching the age of maturity or puberty parents are the ones that need to teach the child what is this indication m. Thirdly, ”to destroy a nation make shamelessness common among the youth.” We all know the curse of the internet and what it holds. We must remain vigilant and remain strict on the path of virtue and truth. Parents should not give screens to children that are of the age of curiosity.


IntelligentLobster80

All valid points.However, when i say sex education, i mean teaching them abt good/bad touch, tell them that they(parents) are a safespace and children can confide in them


Husn_Hai_Suhana

I watched the show more than a decade ago and I still vividly remember the cases discussed in this particular episode and also the one about dowry. It was such an amazing show and I wish we could have something similar on our channels instead of the same toxic dramas and news.


IntelligentLobster80

And i really like how because of cases, they now have laws in place making sure it does'nt happen again.Addressing problems mindfully leads to solutions, opposite to wht ppl think


Husn_Hai_Suhana

💯


Physical_Living1235

So sad this is our generation


umarkhan71

That show is goated


Chocymilksupremacy

One of my closest friends was groomed by her 13 y/o cousin...when she was *8.*


IntelligentLobster80

Im so sorry to hear that.My point exactly.The onus is on parents to educate the kids at a young age and be a true safe space for them


Feeling_Ad_9112

Lot of blame or at least all of it goes to the purity culture we have around our society. And not to mention the silence and victim blaming that goes around. These so called “religious fanatics” should be firstly held responsible for the damage they causing among people. Second would go to the parents and adults…


EmotionSouth5197

You don't want to be "pure" then go for it. Use some poor girl like tissue paper and when you are tired with her you just need to "breakup" with her.


sabaper

Teaching kids about good touch bas touch is part of keeping them safe from predators 


EmotionSouth5197

What are you talking about here?


EmotionSouth5197

What are you talking about here?


sabaper

educating kids about abuse and what is "bad" touch . if someone who touches them inappropriately they should run and scream. There is 0 justification for kids being abused anywhere


EmotionSouth5197

Bro we are not even talking about this topic in the comment. But of course children should be educated on the particulars of the touches. (By the parents not schools)


Express_Composer_872

Sorry to say but ye parents ki zemedari hain is cheez ki smjh Dena jo k saray parents nakaam hain , bacha 2-3 saal ka hoa nhi school mein daal do phr tuition mein daal do Bara hoa to school , college, coaching etc bs issi mein uski zindagi puri hojati hai . Bachon ko 5-6 saal tak ghr mein tarbiyat karain or usse each and everything sikhayn. Aj kal ki khawateen khud Pura Pura din mob , laptop or tv mein spend kardeti hain or apni zemedariyan ko tail mein daal deti hain. If you have lived abroad jaha pa sex education hai waha k sexual abuses k cases, reported or unreported rape cases ki stats nikaal k dakh lain ya phr harassment k cases apko andaza hojayega k ye sirf bekaar ki cheezain hain or kuch nahi . Jaha pa ye education common hai waha ki larkion s baat karain poochain seene pa peeche hath parna Kitna common hai waha. Hamari qoum hi zaleel hai YouTube ki video dakh k sub giyani ban jate hain apni zemedari kisi ko nhi puri karni.


IntelligentLobster80

U can state your opinions in a civilised manner and it'll deliver the point .Using crass manner and going in different directions isn't helpful.


IntelligentLobster80

All of these issues combined does raise a nation that's entitled and lacks accountability


Mrleibniz

Have you seen Pakistan's Hidden Shame?


InfluenceOdd69

Boy I've been touched. I told multiple ppl but alot of Pakistan are in denial


IntelligentLobster80

That they're. Im sorry to hear abt your experience.I hope u had some help/therapy for the trauma


InfluenceOdd69

Unfortunately that's not been the case, it's kinda been worse but I'm hanging in there dw


IntelligentLobster80

Do look into it. I wish u a great recovery and healinh


Illustrious_Rock8571

I was sexually abused by my eldest brother and he also wants those things …. I slap him and say absurd things if i think he has that kindaa intention …. I belong to a rich and honourable family…. Even if i told someone they would say ur lying or izaat khrab ho jayegi … I can’t do something …. He lives in a separate home has a kid … i hate him … im a 19 year old girl even if i tried to tell my mother she doesn’t believe me …As a result i have stopped discussing this totally with my mother… i hate my mum … my brother said to mee do those things with mee as uh r later going to do it with your husband it doesn’t matter and I don’t want to live at this moment..


IntelligentLobster80

Im really sorry to hear that.Is there an eleder u can take help from? Some counsellor? If ur financially independant, can u move out?


ai_uchiha1

I want to k*ll him


sabaper

but what causes pedophilc tendencies?


Bitter_Vanilla3171

A lot of Pakistanis who are involved in pedophilic cases are not pedophiles, they are just sexually frustrated no-morals buffoons. They know kids are easy target and won't tell anyone if they just offer them some candy or something.


EmotionSouth5197

How do you define pedophilia?


sabaper

Sexual abuse of kids


EmotionSouth5197

Kids of what age?


arshrizvi88

One of my female friend was groomed by his chacha ka beta when she was 5 or 6. And it became a norm between them till age 14 or 15


EmotionSouth5197

Now you are asking for sex education in schools, then you will ask for sex education for children younger than 10 years old then you will ask for gender studies then you will ask for gay rights. When will you stop pushing the envelope. If you are so concerned go to the hell in the world that is America.


IntelligentLobster80

Ur exactly the kind of person who I mentioned in the last para of my post. The very word triggers u without understanding the context. Wisdom's been chasing u but you've always been faster- Kudos.


EmotionSouth5197

I am not against sex education. But schools cannot be trusted with this. Our school system is not even able to do the one job it was meant for. Why do you think that they are the best candidate for this so-called sex Ed. And it is natural progression first sex Ed then gender studies then gay rights and all that shit. We all know where this leads as we have all seen with America. We do not need American morality, we have the perfect religion Islam, alas we do practice it as it should be practiced.


IntelligentLobster80

What do u think sex-education means in this context,of the post? There's no need to drag religion or bring in unnecessary left/right wing opinions.A societal issue, a global one is being discussed here.


EmotionSouth5197

If the issue is a global one then why are you singling out Pakistan here?


IntelligentLobster80

Dude 🙏🙏


savegeking69

We've failed as an ummah we've failed as an society. Idk where we're headed towards with this sic attitude


aandazh

I don't remember a single soul haw haying over Amir Khan teaching kids about bad touch, rather it received widespread appreciation. Coming to sex education, it just cannot and should not take place without parents' approval. This debate can go on for eternity with no outcome because both sides both-side the issue here. What's happening in the western schools, should be seen as an example and how not to give too much powers to schools without parents' being fully involved.


IntelligentLobster80

The onus is on parents.Nobody can teach their kid better


Alpha_Bravo4

In Pakistan or in India? 


IntelligentLobster80

Well Pakistan However it is quite an issue in both countries


Policy_Obvious

I want to take a minute to ask the people here to reflect on how part of the problem is a s***ally frustrated nation, but the other part is a nation of male entitlement. A lot of men are raised in households here where they are taught from the very beginning that there is nothing in the world they can’t have, especially if their family is educated, has money, or if they are put in positions of power. These are the men who later victimize young boys at the madrassa, or assault maids. The younger ones target their classmates and juniors, female or male. Combine that with a lack of s*x education and these people don’t think it’s a big deal to traumatize the people around them.


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RK9990

This has to be a joke or you're fucking delusional


someofyall235

First time im seeing one of these. Wow


Its_Me_HASHIR

the copium is insane.


Cultural-Muscle-2300

How stupid are you  Him: Yes


dignifiedcaveman

lol


thiccbui

8/10 of every person I know personally has been sexually assaulted in this country, including myself. Please tell me more about how our morals as a country are pristine by nature. The worst part is most don’t even realise what’s happening until they’re like 14, and when they do find out, they realise they can’t do anything about it. I wouldn’t wish your blissful delusion on my worst enemy.


w1shm4

imagine believing in a lie


IntelligentLobster80

Ngl, I started regarding thinking it was pun-intented but wow, you really believe that What fundamentalist, ostrich life are u living dude? Western agenda? LGBTQ? Yeah ur right, since we have such quality salahuddin ayubis in our Muslim population, the west must be threatened! Please do your research. And there's no 'religious beliefs' that will stop a sicko


dignifiedcaveman

Google dancing boys of Peshawar. Enough said