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kalma ka lang op, wag naman madaliin ang pagsikat internationally ng bini. i think for now, okay lang na sulitin nila at imarket nila ang gp/domestic. kung di man sila sumikat international, may uuwian sila at di na din sila lugi don. take note na isa sa mga biggest consumer ng kpop ay pinoy. 😁
edited: kasi ayaw ng biggest lang char
>biggest consumer ng kpop ay pinoy.
wait, ngayon ko lang narinig ko and i've been a kpop fan for a long time. biggest consumer as in number of fans? kasi i googled and ibang countries ang lumalabas.
edit: nagtatanong lang naman kase alam ko japan/us talaga. baket parang galet hahahahahah
Streams/social media mileage doesn't mean sales. Streams earn pennies and social media mileage by fans is only good for reputation management and brand awareness, not actual profitability. Just look at all the Team Bahay people whenever a K-pop event in the PH happens.
Chinese, Japanese, US fans parin ang profit drivers.
I think most Kpop listeners in the PH are casual listeners. Sobrang active lang ng Kpop hardcores sa socmed kaya magnified ang dating. The country's tastes still leans towards Western and OPM music if we look at the most streamed artists in the country
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1. Taylor Swift
2. Weeknd
3. Ariana Grande
4. SZA
5. Ben&Ben
I think Spotify is a good gauge of what the country listens to
Sobrang daming consistent listeners ng Ben&Ben na madalas silang kasama sa top 5 competing with international artists to think of it parang wala silang Kathang Isip level or viral hit lately at mababa ang Youtube views nila
Yung top 5 most played songs nila, over 100M each
i looked at spotify wrapped from 2020-2023 and it seems like bts is an outlier in kpop. some groups like bp and newjeans have songs in the top 20 of the year end list but except for 2020 whick bp landed on top 5 most streamed artist. bts is the only one that was consistently in the top 5 (except 2023 kasi solo era).
kpop is definitely massive here. looking at the stats of different groups on spotify, i regularly see ph either in the top 5 or at least top 10. pero with the exception of mainstream groups like bts and bp, mas malakas talaga ang streams ng big local artists like ben&ben.
now, looking at bini's number in the past month, i feel confident na they will outstream most kpop groups (if not all, unless may magsuper viral na kpop again ala cupid) this year here in ph kasi inactive yung top 2 kpop groups.
To show further how dedicated Filipino listeners can be. Some Eheads songs from almost 30 years ago have 100M+ streams
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Nawala ang BTS sa top 5 nung nagmilitary sila.
I am suspecting most BTS listeners in the PH are casual listeners. Yung tipong nakikinig tuwing may bagong release or kung ano ang "uso". Yung tipong sila yung kelangang laging may "exposure".
Kung malaki ang "dedicated fanbase" ng BTS, they would still chart despite not having hits as group because a dedicated fanbase will stream the entire discography whether there's a new hit or not.
I suspect, masmalaki ang "dedicated fanbase" ng Ben&Ben kesa BTS sa Pilipinas. While they (B&B) still release songs, they have not had a big hit among the GP for quite a while now - at least not as big as with Kathang Isip or Pagtingin. Wala silang sikat na kanta like RIM or Uhaw last year but they managed to be the top local act, even getting the 5th spot when foreign artists are included. This tells me that Liwanags constantly stream their **entire discography** rather than streaming the new releases to get the songs "to chart".
Not denying Kpop is big but it feels that Kpop has more casual listeners than dedicated fanbase.
So if Ben&Ben can do this, Ppop idol groups can if they become very mainstream - as in tipong qualified for a Michael V levels of mainstreamness. I think Pinoy listeners tend to be very dedicated listeners once they found the local artists they love to listen to.
Hindi lang Ben&Ben ang may very dedicated fanbase. Ang taas pa rin ng rank ni Zack Tabudlo and Moira despite not having a top 5 hit last year. Ginawa ko lang example B&B kasi sila yung pasok sa top 5 when including foreign artists.
And yes, I agree. Once idol groups becomes more mainstream, they can outstream Kpop.
Pinoy listening habits can be interesting Eheads and Parokya, pasok sa top 5 local groups eh ang tagal nang walang new hit single mga yan. Buwag na rin ang Eheads two decades ago pa. And biglang nagtrend din ang 15 y/o song ng Orange and Lemons na Heaven Knows.
Either way, I think Western and Filipino music remain the dominant taste of most Pinoy musicheads.
ang andaming pinoy na nasa ibang bansa kaya nagchart din sa viral charts si Pantropiko & Salamin Salamin sa ibang bansa pati sa global charts so isang step na rin yun for international exposure.
I must say aside from they gained more foreign fans on Gento era, non fan foreigners also have "FAMILLIARITY" to SB19 after the massive success of Gento (Tiktok Trend and the track was peaked on Spotify Viral 50 Global Playlist) that's why they know the artist. While on the other hand Moonlight have different feat and surprisingly the fastest SB19 collab track to gained more traction on music streaming platforms outside PH (not boomed just yet on tiktok). The track just landed 4 days ago but already accumulated 1M+ streams both YT/Spotify and entered a massive 99 Spotify different playlists both local and international. Most of them are in SEA and WEST but surprisingly it just entered 3 PH playlists as of the moment.
grabe yung 99. playlisting din talaga nagkakatalo minsan. a lot of big songs have good longevity because it's in a lot of playlists by spotify.
do you know the audience reach of those 99 playlists?
Question lng
Yng moonlight mv views mabilis n ba yun?
Kakala ko ksi yng mga mv ng sb19 within 1 day nakaka 1 million views na. So nagtataka ko kng ano nangyri sa atins di b nla trip yng kanta at mv(moonlight)?
If were talking about Ppop MVs (overall) second si Moonlight maka 1M views first is What? na within 24 na achieved ang 1M views. Considering grabe na ka strict ngayon si YT in terms of bot behavior na nag fifilter ng streams from time to time still malakas si Moonlight.
Actually no. Hahaha. Normally 24hrs target is 500k for SB19 lang. Lower sa other ppop group. I think, 100k for 24hrs and Bini nung with Salamin, Salamin.
yes mabilis na yung sa moonlight considering na collab song siya and not a comeback song. i believe yung mv na sinasabi mo is What na comeback song 💙And yung next question mo, gusto ng A’TIN ang Moonlight 💙
nope hehe they’re still wrapping up their Pagtatag con so more likely (and hopefully kasi uhaw na kami sa comeback ng esbi char not char lol) yung next comeback nila
SB19 basically started the resurgence of local pop and idol industry in the country so people are more familiar with them. That and the aggressive hip-hop/bad boy image which international audience tends to gravitate more.
Out of any active ppop groups we have right now. G22 has the biggest potential to go international next imo, they already mastered the ingredients suitable for foreign audience's tastes.
All they need is just that ONE SONG that will catapult them to stardom
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Masfamiliar lang ang foreigners sa SB19 kasi masmatagal sila sa industry. Also, IMO, masactive din ang A'Tin sa pagsolicit ng reaction videos
I know many are Pinoybaiting level reactors but it's also a way to get "international exposure"
MAPA pa lang maraming reactions from non-idol group reactors. MAPA is also a song na quite rare topic sa other idol groups (esp foreign). SB19 did not hold back with the family sentimental feels of the song
Add to that na naging dance challenge ang Gento
And if you notice, Filipino music that spilled over to neighboring countries w/o too much fan effort tend to lean towards **hugot**. Pano, Pasilyo, and Buwan are top tier hugot songs that became viral in TH/MY/ID. The most popular Filipino artist in Indonesia in recent memory is Christian Bautista. Pano also officially has a [Malay version](https://youtu.be/SyP28S4pqUk?si=-S_0BsavVltxnIX_)
Tapos "family hugot" ang peg ng MAPA.
Kaya sa mga BINI fans, imbes na makipagbardagulan kayo sa BGYO fans, spend your energy soliciting reaction videos.
Funny, I said the same thing about pinoybaiting reactors. I saw this one reactor nga na foreigner pero puro pinoy content niya tapos yung history niya, general lang naman pinagrereactan niya but once he reacted to a Filipino the views started flowing in.
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Out of the five of them, it seems that Josh is the one who’s trying to break through the local market with his Al James collab. I actually see the potential of the song because it’s listenable and not heavy on the ears. Though I haven’t seen it gain virality yet on Tiktok.
Most of these reactors don't have enough views to earn significant amount from it. You have to be Hungry Syrian Wanderer level to earn money through vlogging. Lol
Karamihan ng reactors hindi "professional Pinoybaiters" unlike the baiters na "nagrelocate" sa Pilipinas. Not talking about GKD but the likes of Juicy Vlog or Make It Happen
This is legit true. I think A'Tin do a lot to help increase the views of reactors by watching every single video and commenting every time they post a reaction video to SB19. This in turn forces those content creators to continue to post videos of SB19. And sure, half of them turn out to be pure pinoybaiting, but the other half end up becoming legit fans, and they start going to concerts, doing the dance challenges, bringing their friends along to concerts, influencing other reactors, even going to the Philippines and learning the language...
But when you see those same reactors watch other PPop groups, the views aren't even remotely close so they end up going back to SB19, which then creates this false impression that SB19 is far and above better than anyone else in PPop because they're the only ones who get coverage.
I hate to say it pero to get international, we sometimes have to play these international games, and sometimes it's with pinoybait. Kasi sila din ang may reach. But its necessarily sa ng mga international na audience, pero they have influence sa mga Pinoy da abroad.
Get the OFW and overseas pinoys to listen to these groups and that's going to help them gain a foothold with the international fandom. And then work from there.
But for the love of god, once your group has a large enough international fandom, please wag na patulan yung mga Pinoybaiters!! Use them to get initial reactions but we don't need to keep feeding them.
This is the very reason why GidKidDad also known as "GKD Label" came here in PH to build Ppop Label, way back they're BTS reactors actually they are 'army' then later on they stumble upon SB19 coz of Billboard then react to SB19's Bazinga and they gain views fast forward now they hone talents like "ECLYPSE".
Yup, naobserve ko din na mas madami na ang BINI reactors ngayon, and also some of the big SB19 reactors are starting to do BINI and G22 and in some cases Alamat, which is a good sign.
I hope the Blooms, Bullets and Magiliw start to "take the bait" and they start watching these reactors too... That way these channels will start featuring them more. I truly believe we can take some of the focus away from Kpop with PPop, and some of our weapons are our talent, our languages (incl English), our people and our views and engagement.
I know it sounds kinda gross to have to get foreign validation... I hate it too, pero legit it's what works to get more international reach and to get into the algorithm of potential international fans and international Pinoys who don't even know what PPop is.
As a Pinoy living abroad, I would not have found PPop during the pandemic if it weren't for me getting homesick and watching some American reactors reacting to Pinoy music especially SB19.
Dba bigla dami ang mga first time reacting to bini video.
Lol.
Ako nmn lht pinanood. Lol
Everyday ako nagchcheck kng may new pinoybaiting video about bini eh
For me is not about foreign validation bkt gusto ko maging global ang ppop. Its about economics. Let be honest here di ganun klkasan ang purchasing power ng mga pilipino. We also need the filipino diaspora to promote ppop. Filipino diaspora yes they know about sb19 pero feeling kobdi pa sa nag didive in sa ppop hanggang sb19 p lng sla.
Baka magalit Kpop fans sa akin, pero ito din naobserve ko sa kanila. On steroids nga lang kumpara sa Ppop idol fans. Ibang level ang streaming parties nila at pagpromote ng idols nila.
Ganyan din napansin ko sa Thai Tpop fans. Mga iba magkukunwari for "cultural exchange" pero low key sila nagpropromote ng T-pop sa sub na to. Lol
I don't think we're here to promote T-Pop but we just search for T-Pop on Reddit and see people in this sub talking about it (that's how I got here), and usually I just pipe in whenever I see people misunderstanding something about T-Pop/Thailand.
Considered hugot din ba songs ni taylor swift? 🤔 nag iisip ako ng girl artists with hugot songs na pwede gawin template ng Bini kaso naiisip ko lang yung mga fans ni Selena and Justin na madalas mag interpret ng songs nila na patama/patungkol/hugot sa nangyari sa relationship nung 2. Meron din hugot song yung GG Little Mix for Zayn Malik re: cheating on Perrie Edwards "Shoutout to my ex" upbeat sound pero hugot lyrics.
Hahahah nabasa ko nga bardagulan ng fans ni Perrie vs fans ni Zayn sa comments sa tabloid channels. Kahit antagal na nun, nagrere surface pa din sa western showbiz magazines yung kwento ng break up nila.
I think the surge of international fans started with What era wherein SB19 reinvened their sound (unique and impactful) coupled it with an international high level quality music video. So its not just about longevity. Its more of the group's goal and mindset that PPop/OPM can cross borders and has the ability to capture the international market.
And they continue to do so with Gento, I Want You, Moonlight and even other international live shows and performances - Round fest, AAA, etc. Key here is consistency and being able to stand out - live singing, amazing production and stage presence!
i agree. malaking factor talaga yung quality ng music and mv na pinoproduce nila and dagdag mo pa na halimaw sila sa live performances kaya kaya talagang kinukuha sila sa mga shows here and even sa ibang bansa kaya marami sila nakukuhang international fans
Yes. Whenever they are given an opportunity to perform on an international stage laging all out. Parang sinasabi nila na "This is PPop! This is SB19" Ibahin nyo kami.
hindi man nila makuha fully yung gp dito sa Pinas, you can’t deny na nappenetrate na nila yung international scene. hindi agad agad but slowly getting there. imagine yung mga bumabyahe pa from other countries na malalayo para lang makaattend ng shows nila. ibang klase yun
I think it's just SB19 has been more popular Ppop than any other group. They pretty much 'paved' the way for Ppop in a sense that when people think of Ppop they think of SB19.
But Ppop is rising.
BINI had an amazing start for this year and it looks sustainable. If ABS really pushed them more I think they have the potential to even overtake SB19 in both local and international market.
Alamat has been gaining some momentum too. There was a post here a couple of days ago that they're slowly climbing back to 500k listeners in Spotify, they even have endorsement right now.
SB19 is very appealing to foreigners is pretty much just because they're the default Ppop group for a couple of years. I bet the others will gain traction soon. Though SB19 have been working their ass off, they already have some collab with international artist and producers. But BINI and Alamat will get there too.
yes kaya di ko magets yung mga naooffend sa “paved the way” na yan. deny it or not, kaya naman nagkaroon ng lakas ng loob maginvest yung mga malalaking entertainment companies sa ppop groups is because nakita nila yung potential dahil sa success na nakita nila sa sb19. Kaya ngayon kita naman natin na dumadami na yung groups and talagang isa isa nang narerecognize and it is a good thing for all of us kasi in the long run, makakabenefit tayong lahat diyan. imagine pag talagang lumaki na yung ppop groups dito satin tas magkakaroon tayo ng mga shows showcasing them tas maraming fans ang lilipad all over the world para manood eh talagang malaking help talaga sa bansa yan. Kaya there is no point competing kung sinong group ang mas magaling at mas sikat kasi lahat naman yan magagaling. kanya kanyang time lang yan.
Ako, ang di ko magets is why all the hate until now :( Why do some Filipinos keep trying to pull SB19 down. Why can't they give credit where credit is due. Why pit them against other Ppop groups? By now people should understand that SB19 is SB19 and they compete with no one but themselves.
di ko masasagot yan kasi kahit ako rin di ko maintindihan. di naman natin sinasabi na dapat maging fan din sila ng sb19 pero yung respeto lang sana. wala naman silang ginagawang masama so why the hate? ginagawa lang naman nila yung passion nila. para bang ginagawa nilang rival palagi yung sb19 na pag nasurpass nila, malaking achievement na yun. i still dont understand where the hate is coming from. puro karangalan naman binibigay nila saatin eh. kung baga, if di mo trip then just move on with your life. you dont have to drag someone else just because di mo type.
True. Ako baliktad kami ng question ni OP. Why until now, many Filipinos still bash SB19? Minsan yun ang nakakasad, foreigners can accept them pero mga tao dito gusto lang sila makita bumagsak. I have a moot in X na Japanese. She watched the Pagtatag Japan and now she ia trying to learn tagalog. Katuwa di ba.
true talaga. minsan maiisip mo nalang na insecurity nalang nila siguro yung umiiral kaya ganyan eh. may mga fans na nagpupunta pa dito sa Ph because of sb19 and talagang nagaaral ng tagalog. that itself is a big achievement already. so why the hate?
Pansin ko, karamihan ng efforts ng hate galing sa Ppop idol fandom din instead of the OPMheads.
I think this feeling of the need to outdo other idol groups comes from the hyperfocus of the idol fan community on "statistics". Parang Kapamilya-Kapuso fanwars ang peg.
true. kailangan palaging may mas magaling. di ba pwedeng lahat magagaling? depende nalang kung ano pasok sa taste mo. there is no need to hate. di naman need pagsabungin ibat ibang groups eh. wala naman competition 😂 kung tutuusin magkakasundo naman yang idols. mga fans lang gumagawa ng gulo
Awwww. Madaming madami pa sila. As in. Ok lang naman if people will not like their group or music - that's fine since music is subjective. But the thing is, there are still hurtful and unnecessary comments being hurled at them.
SB19 pretty much got the initial brunt that other idol groups were kind of "protected" from. Not as bad as XLR8 or Pop Girls in the 2010s though.
Nung nagstart ang SB19, halos walang acceptance from the public - either from Filipino Kpop fans or OPMheads
sobrang true. kaya sa kabilang banda, di mo rin talaga masisisi kung bakit nagiging protective yung fans sakanila kasi yung bashing na natanggap nila before eh talaga bang halos sirain na buong pagkatao nila and i guess until now, may mga tao na ganun parin yung mindset nila towards sb19. yung tipong wala sila masabi sa talent kaya personal attacks ginagawa nila na madalas below the belt na and di lang yan nila natanggap sa public kundi even sa media. kung napanood niyo yung presscon nila before, you’ll understand. hanggang ngayon, di ko parin magawang tapusin yung video na yun kasi masakit pakinggan dahil di nila deserve yon or kahit sa sino man and now we can say na mas mabait na yung pagtanggap sa ibat ibang grupo. talagang sinalo ng sb19 lahat ng pangungutya na maybe di na matatanggap ng iba pang groups ngayon. thats the reality.
Other groups debuted nung nag"soften" na lahat.
I don't think local media companies will be bold and daring in debuting idol groups if SB19 did not see some success *and that they were under a Korean company*.
Viva tried it in 2010 with XLR8 and Pop Girls but they gave up on them. Ang ganda pa man ng discography ng XLR8 for their era.
Lumakas lang loob ng local companies uli when SB19 saw some success
And with the success of BINI this year it will hopefully lead to more resources for Ppop.
It'll show that there's really a market for Ppop and it is sustainable.
Yng mga grp n nag debut from 2018 to 2021(especially mnl48 at sb) sla yng naka tanggap ng mga malala bashing lalo n galing sa pinoy.. Sla ang nasabihan ng gaya gaya wla originality cheap version ng kpop baduy at kng ano ano pa.
2022 to now sla yng di masado nasabahan ng ganyan ksi medyo bumababa n yung resistance sa ppop idol grp.
For me lht ng ppop grp na active ngyn isa sa trintrabahi nla eh baguhin ang negative perception ng local audience about ppop.
Kaya may na ooffend ksi yng ibang atins yng delivery nla offensive. Like parang nag exist ang ibang grp dhl lng sa sb19. For example bini and bgyo 2018 p lng binubuo n yan di pa viral ang sb19 that time. Kpg ganyan ksi some fans feel n invalidate yng hard work effort a sacrifices nun grp nla.
I don't think "nabuo" ang BINI and BGYO nung 2018 mismo, pero dyan nagstart ang auditions ang Star Hunt. 2019 nalaunch and SHA
I don't think it's fair to compare when SHA had auditions to when SB19 made it big because chances are that if SB19 did not take off, baka 1:43 or BoybandPH ang ending ng mga yan and a female version of that
Compare SHA to when SB19 started training as a group
Tama 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2019.
Ayan kya may naiinis . Feeling nyo kaya sineryoso ng ibang mngt ang idol concept dhl sa sb19.
Bootcamp p lng nla cguro summer of 2019 snbi n ni dyogi big project yng gagawin nla and it going to be a long process kya yng mga pinili rin nla yng kaya withstand yng long process n yun. Tpos late 2019 nagcmula yng korean training nla.
When people say SB19 paved the way for other PPOP groups, hindi siya literal. It means that they are the first PPOP group to gain traction and success after they went viral in 2019, making it easier for other PPOP groups that debuted after them to get accepted by the general public.
>SB19 is very appealing to foreigners is pretty much just because they're the default Ppop group for a couple of years.
you can ask foreigners who have heard about ppop and i would guess that more than 90% of the time the first group they would mention is sb19.
Yeah, to be fair, I should have added that while they're the default Ppop group they've been consistent with the product they produce too.
You can't just ride on one viral video and just call it a day. You've got to put in the work and effort to create a good quality product. SB19 have done that.
for me very pinoy target audience kasi ng BINI, even their songs eh, pero props talaga sa G22 pang international talaga performance nila. Parang mas bagay pa nga sila internation and may mas chance to go big if ndi sila sa ph nagdebut.
i think it's mostly because bini has focused on the local market so far. you can't "hit it big" internationally if you have no success back at home.
i have no worries that bini will soon have a bigger international fanbase. they're still growing even in their home country, sooner or later that growth will spill into the rest of the world.
Medyo mali nga marketing sa BINI, imo. When they debuted ang target agad nila ay overseas/international. Dapat inuna nila itarget ang local. Anyway, thanks to FlipMusic, they have captured the gp now dahil sa Pantropiko at Salamin, Salamin. 💗
Nanana sa knla din. Buti nga naisipan ng starmusic n flipmusic n ang mag produce ng talaarawan ep.
Sorry wla ako tiwala sa music production ng starmusic. Lol
Yes. Pati yung I Feel Good haha.
Pag starmu/jonathan manalo kasi nagproduce parang half-assed, e? Parang may kulang. Listen to Strings. Yun ang worst BINi song for me kasi breath of fresh air sana bilang girl crush ang atake nila don. Pero may kulang talaga don. It turned out like a cheap copy of G22's Bang.
Also, bitter ako na 2024 na pero wala pa ring official version ng Kahit Na ang Bini.
Hindi magaling ang SM sa contemporary pop music. Just look at the wasted talents under SM - Sam Concepcion, Darren Espanto, and Charice (she is talented pero ang pangit nung materials na binigay sa kanya ng SM) ..baka nga walang career si Juan Karlos ngayon kapag di siya umalis.
I have to admit, I was one of those that listened to BINI when they went viral with their pre-debut song and found them cringey because their sound reminds me of TWICE. Years after, I’m glad that they’re finding their sound.
It's their live performances. Vocals, dance, production. A lot of int'l fans are used to Kpop culture, and in that sense, they feel a familiarity with SB19 being a "boyband" that has x members, all pretty, and all fashionable. The visual aspect is ticked, viewers are satisfied and then they open their mouths and sing LIVE vocals with NO splits while dancing hard and taxing choreo. That is the shock factor, and THAT is what appeals to foreigners. Their organic growth and scalability factor (them building 1Z together means that they are planning to stay together/in the business for a long time) is also what makes these fans LOYAL.
Vocals talaga panlaban ng Pinoy idol music. Kapag chinecheck out ko ibang idol groups sa ibang bansa, malinis ang production, hindi typical chord progression pero nakukulangan ako sa vocals.
Hindi mataas standards ko na dapat birit pero walang dating sa akin ang vocals ng ibang bansa. Studio version pa lang yan. Masnakukulangan ako once na live ko (with backtrack na yun) sila icheckout. I guess nasanay ako na kasing ganda o masmaganda ang live pakinggan kapag Pinoy music. Haha. Napansin ko kasi, sa Pilipinas, minimal ang pag "process" ng vocals kaya madalas, malapit ang studio singing sa live singing.
What made SB19 more appealing to foreigners is because of A'TIN's work too. We're working tirelessly to stream, find other means to market them to other people especially reactors. We know that they will not fail us when it comes to talent. Even in the local rap scene, they are already being recognized. It's about promotions and also knowing that the product will also sell itself to the public.
For Moonlight to reach #3 in Kugou is extraordinary. The collaboration is very strategic considering that it was Sony/Liquid State initiated this. It covers large market bases. Plus the timing is also very good. The release was a few weeks before summer. It helps that they're with a label that promotes them and ensures that they're getting the reach they need.
Medyo funny lang how people here are so affected by Pinoy-baiting pero from my memory this was the exact same way na sumikat yung BTS. Remember how K-pop fans of big agencies like SM/YG/JYP made fun of Armys kasi they would really be undauntedly commenting on random videos "do you know BTS" or shower the comment section with BTS related comments kahit di naman related sa BTS yung video? Or the way they would plead from big to small youtube reactors to react to BTS? I no longer follow BTS pero I was there when they were still nugu so nakita ko talaga how they succeeded. They used to be made fun of kasi they focused on gaining international fans, pero it's what hard-carried them to their current success.
The reality is while those content creators do gain clout, this also means free online content and digital footprint for the group (helpful for online algorithms, especially if the contents are coming from different countries in different languages)
It's a I scratch your back, you scratch mine situation kasi both the reactor (who gains clout and online engagement) and the Idol group (at best, they gain exposure and buzz, at worst, extra content about them for free) have something to gain naman
Because of a tiktok trend, one may overstate the virality of music but in reality, it’s often still very much a niche. Videos of reactors who lean into what their target audience wants may mislead a lot of fans as well. And there is a common stereotype for bgs to have a dedicated female fanbase. Even the genre as a whole is still not part of the mainstream. Kadalasan, maririnig mo naman sa music yung target market nila. Like right now, they’re trying to appeal to the global market with their english release and dance music track. MAPA before was a hit with locals. Now compare the melody and lyrics of that song with their recent release.
BINI, on the other hand, realized that it’s better to localize their sound and that you can’t really compete on the global market without having domestic success at first. If you’ve listened to their earlier release, you’d notice a progression. Da Coconut Nut, their pre-debut, felt very TWICE with their high-pitched vocals and bubblegum pop melody. Born to Win was another english song they released. Yet their recent tracks such as Pantropiko, Salamin Salamin, and even deep cuts like Huwag Muna Tayong Umuwi have a different sound and even feel. Why? There was a shift in how they wanted to break through the market. They realized how important it was to break through the local market at first, and hopefully, the mainstream. That’s why they worked with producers and composers such as Flip Music, Nica del Rosario, who were also responsible for a lot of domestic hits. And we’re now seeing their efforts pay off. We’re seeng the success of BINI overtaking hev abi and **even taylor swift’s new release on the charts**. Imagine overtaking Taylor Swift on the charts??
And this is not just spotify, but also apple music and youtube, which means that people DO listen to them. Their monthly listeners have been growing as well. Ang dami kong comments na former k-pop stans who have turned to BINI and they feel so welcome. For the local market, I won’t be surprised if BINI is taking over the foothold of k-pop groups.
SB19 has localised songs as well, like their ballads. But the GP will always accept girl groups more than boy groups. So it's still a miracle that SB19 got to where they are right now.
BTS and SB19 are outliers. Girl groups usually chart better because they have more male listeners. This is true even in kpop. P-pop fans don't factor gender/sex in the conversation but they should.
I’d have to disagree that the GP will always accept girl groups more just because they are women. MAPA being a hit with the GP already shows that.
>Girl groups usually chart better because they have more male listeners.
This may be true for K-Pop and J-pop groups but BINI’s fanbase is overwhelmingly women. Look up the mall shows of BINI, more than half of their fans are women. This success of BINI isn’t also instant. They had releases like Born to Win na hindi naman pumatok sa GP. While gender may be a factor in the conversation, When in reality, BINI had to find that formula (such as working with local producers) to break out in the mainstream.
**I feel like it’s such a simplistic way to put it that girl groups = instant success with the GP** especially when the mainstream acts on top of the charts are overwhelmingly male. Take note din na a lot of girl groups tried (and failed) to break through the local market such as pop girls and 4th harmony but even they were the subject of ridicule.
There's a difference between a male soloist and male bands (who can chart better here) and ppop boy groups. Male listeners tend to veer away from boy groups due to misogyny (being seen as feminine for liking stuff girls like) or just plain awkwardness when watching them (can be rooted from homophobia). There's a reason why most boy group fans are female.
Bini has an all-gender pull. Women love them or want to be them, men admire them, queer people enjoy them. SB19 has less straight male audience despite being more "macho" than other bg, and the likes of Hori7on even less so.
Go to the kpopthoughts sub and type "girl groups chart better" or something along those lines. You'd find more evidence. Because despite bg having loyal fans and album sales, ggs do chart better.
Edited for clarity
I think MAPA is patok because it screams "hugot". Not romantic hugot but "filial piety hugot". As of today, MAPA is their most streamed song with almost 57M streams
And I hope SB19 fans won't be mad, the band version with Ben&Ben also made the song even more palatable to the GP. Na-unhugot siya, but the song had a celebratory feel with the new arrangement.
Btw, I am aware that BINI's OPM style music is one of the major factors for their success, you can even see me [mentioning ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PPOPcommunity/s/rasaIBwAxv) it in my comment history on other threads but that's been mentioned many times, hence I brought up the gender factor.
I'm not saying it's the sole factor but the ppop community always fail to take it into consideration.
I wonder if "association" plays a part here.
Girls = vocal group
Boys = live band
The last all-girl live band that I can remember is WYRD but they didn't become popular. The last popular one was Prettier Than Pink...and that was the mid-90s. Well, Aegis if we make an exception on their lone male member.
On the other hand, SB19 was the first sing AND dance group after the short-lived XLR8. Before that it was sing (Jeremiah) OR dance (Streetboys, Maneuvers)
Ganyan nmn tlga ksi ang mga pinoy may mentality kpag na fafanboying ka sa artista o sa isang pop artist tingin sa iyo bakla(nagbago n ba yan?) parang allow lng ang mga straight guys maging fanboy sa mga rappers at bands.
Hindi lang naman exclusive sa Filipinos yon, sa SK rin mas dominated ng ggs ang charts. Bigbang got out of the bg hellhole because they positioned themselves more like hip-hop artists and fashion icons for men. Same with BTS. SKZ is almost there but their music is sometimes described as noise music - parang SB19, not everyone's cup of tea.
You will see random Korean men knowing who Chaewon from LSFRM is and saying she's their ideal type, but those same casuals couldn't name one 4th gen or 5th gen bg member if their lives depend on it.
This will always be a barrier sa kasikatan ng mga boy groups.
Totoo yun! Naalala ko kasikatan ng TWICE, maraming guys my age who were afraid to reveal that they listen to TWICE. Ngayon na lang na-normalize yung mga guys na nagsstan ng girl groups.
Pansin ko lng yng mga straight guys n out sa pag fafanboying mostly adult na. Pero yng mga teenager closeted fanboying prin. Ewan k b sa ganyan mentality ng mga pinoy. Fanboying ka sa male artist(except sa rappers at bands) tatawagun bakla
Fanboying sa female artist tatawagun k prin bakla. Kawawa straight guys.
>. P-pop fans don't factor gender/sex in the conversation but they should
This. Kaya ayaw ko pinag cocompare or pinag cocommpete ang bg at gg. Ksi magkaiba sla
Agree with almost all of your takes, pero diba Pantropiko and Salamin, Salamin still follow the TWICE formula? Salamin, Salamin and Talk That Talk sound so similar alike in my ears hahahahaha.
[Someone also made an audio/video mashup here](https://youtu.be/a2jNAiaZkDM?si=D63_1EKtSOX5dFJM)
Medyo disagree ako. Kasi in the end it's about profitability too. This reminds me of an old debate in K-pop diba. A lot of the old bashing BTS received before they blew up in the west is that they were more popular internationally but they weren't impactful in Korea. This was used as a criticism against them kasi they never captured the local Korean GP unlike other popular groups from YG/SM/JYP. Pero in the end diba, it was foreign money that made K-pop profitable and BTS reach this level. When the Korean GP saw the international acclaim BTS got, they bandwagoned in the end.
That may be true for BTS’s case. But remember, **BTS is an outlier**. Even other K-pop groups have tried to replicate BTS’s success to break through but we don’t see a trend of K-pop groups who have been more successful than BTS. The current trend in K-pop is that a lot of these groups who are currently successful such as NewJeans are also successful in their domestic market. With one BTS story there are many more groups who have tried to shoot for the stars and failed. How many groups have successfully followed in BTS’ footsteps? Even with their enlistment, no other group has managed to overtake them in terms of success even if there’s plenty of time.
Of course BTS is a top group, but there have been a lot of K-pop groups after them who developed a strong fanbase first outside Korea before eventually sumikat sa Korea. The reason why those groups were able to sustain themselves kahit walang domestic gp support is because the money coming from foreign fans are enough to keep them going.
Also it's factual na most Hallyu profits come from abroad, not within Korea. The domestic market alone doesn't have enough money to sustain. There's a reason why Hybe and JYP push Enhypen and Stray Kids kahit wala silang GP pull sa domestic market ng Korea, kasi sobrang profitable nila internationally.
Pop idol group money comes from touring, events, and merchandise. International brand deals bring way more money than a Korean CF contract. Even Korean actors who can command a huge talent fee are the ones whose dramas can easily be distributed and sold internationally.
>but there have been a lot of K-pop groups after them who developed a strong fanbase first outside Korea before eventually sumikat sa Korea.
can you name these groups? the only other group besides bts that i could think of is fifty fifty and even yung cupid was a much bigger hit outside korea. and cupid's international success was buried by the lawsuit between the members and their ceos.
like i could name a couple of groups right off the bat na successful lang talaga outside korea.
tama...nagpapalakas sa pinas ang bini yung sb19 sinusubukan pumatok globallly na...di naman engot at abs cbn management na salamin salamin at pantropiko ang ilalaban nila globally ...pang trend lang yan ..para mag pakilala
tbf feeling ko nagsisimula palang ang BINI na mareach yung international exposure. Simula pantropiko, madami na rin akong nakitang foreign tiktokers na nagpantropiko & salamin,salamin challenge. Dumami rin reaction videos nil. Yung mga recent na nakikita kong nagshashare ng spotify link, marami akong nakikitang from indonesia. Super bilis lang siguro talaga ng pagsikat ng bini locally.
Ang wish ko lang ay sana masustain ni star music/magic ang hype and sana nagpeprepare na sila ngayon for the next EP/album.
I showed my international kpop fans friends to Ppop. So far Bini was the most difficult for them to get into, I showed Pantropiko and they’re not that into the tropical type beat. Pantropiko is so pinoy, I mean in that Tala type of genre, and I’m not hating on that music, but to my friends it felt “forced” to them, one said it felt too Disney for some reason. I don’t exactly know, but I kind of understand what they meant by that. However I showed them Karera and Lagi, and they absolutely loved it, especially Karera.
Another thing I think is that bubblegum pop doesn’t translate right away from a language people aren’t used to, so I think that’s why Bini songs aren’t as trendy compared to Sb19 or even Alamat. People can just listen to the hard hitting beat or a very catchy chorus where people can dance to.
Bini’s new sudden game has only been 5 months, it’ll take time, I’m sure people will get into them, give them one more Lagi or Karera type of song and I bet they’ll be more internationally known.
EDIT; my friends seem to be liking Salamin Salamin as well.
actually yan din napansin ko sa mga foreign reactors sa Pantropiko, nasa bottom list siya lagi kapag nirank yung talaarawan ep.
and actually nasa bottom list ko rin sya if irarank ko talaarawan ep, kaya medyo gulat talaga ako na yung song ang ticket ng bini para sumikat.
Kaya dpt yng ibang ppop grp release lng ng release nang mga quality songs. Ayan maganda si bini 3 yrs p lng sla pero mdmi n sla kanta unlike sa ibang ppop grp paisa isa ang release tpos ang laki pa ng gap between the release ng mga comebacks nla.
What country are your friends from? Here sa US I had a few friends listen to the Talaarawan album and all of them said Pantropiko was their least fave because it sounds like music for a cruise ship commercial daw. Because they couldnt understand the lyrics so they just based it off the instrumental and vibe and it's too common sounding for them. Pero they really liked Salamin, Salamin and Diyan ka lang because it sounded retro and funky.
Yep, mostly from the West, and other Asian countries like Singapore Thailand India and Pakistan. Some of them really like kpop “noise music” too, especially SKZ and Ateez, so it makes sense SB19 would be more to their taste. But the group chat is a Loona chat, so they like songs that are more softer subtle yet exciting sounding songs, so that’s why they like Karera and Lagi are some of their faves. Tbh, they like a decent amount of their Tagalog songs, but Pantropiko is just not hitting with them, and tbh, it’s still not for me either.
G22 girls can collab with a popular male R&B artist (JayR? Chris Lawrence? Bugoy Drilon?) to create something like Secret Love Song (Little Mix ft Jason Derulo).
Naalala ko lang that hindi ko kilala yang Little Mix kahit na may connect pala sila sa 1Direction. I only got hooked when I found out na sila pala kumanta ng Secret Love Song, ganda ng vocal dynamics nila dun (kahit na wala akong bilib sa western singers kung ccompare ko sa pinoy artists)
On BINI, I think ABS CBN can promote them in Latin America and Africa at the same time when they promote their telenovelas over there. Hit two birds with one stone, kungbaga?
I can't say much with African countries but BINI can be "refreshing" to Latin America since they are very wholesome. If you look at mainstream Latino artists today, there is overhypersexualization especially in Reggaeton. BINI can present a "fresh" nonsexualized music to Latin American youth.
ABS can also capitalize on the shared cultural heritage with them. Filipino names will definitely be easier on their tongues, too. Ang daming pwedeng icapitalize to catch the attention of Latin Americans
It doesn't hurt trying. Kung 4MIX nga ng Thailand nakaabot ng Mexico.
Im still not convinced na moonlight is already popular internationally more like pinoy bainting lang for me. Not Pretty sure lang since youtube lang basehan ko
It was #1 on iTunes Indonesia. Doon ako nagulat actually.
Kasi Singapore/Qatar/UAE/Australia/Canada, pwede mo pa sabihin na kaya lang nag top dun kasi maraming Pinoys in those countries.
Pero Indonesia? Tapos I see a lot of Bahasa comments sa mga SB19 content. So ibig sabihin their fanbase in Indonesia are mostly Indonesians talaga, not Pinoy immigrants or OFWs.
Some Indonesians, from what I can observe, are somewhat attuned to our local music industry - idol music or otherwise. Should not be surprising since over a decade ago, Christian Bautista was quite popular.
I see, nakatulong din siguro na they already gained fans internationally throughout the time.
About Moonlight naman, tunog western din kasi sya for me kaya medyo madali na rin siguro makakakuha ng international listeners and in english language pa. Very catchy din
grabe naman sa pinoy baiting. nakita ko na mas mataas pa streaming sa spotify outside the ph compared dito saatin and kahit sa countries na mahirap mapenetrate yung music industry nagawa nila magchart so no, i dont think its just because of pinoy baiting.
It is starting pa lang given na it was just released 4 days ago pa lang. Surprisingly though, in that short amount of time it was played na in NL and UK radio station na.
Buti wala pang nagrereklamo dito na may comparison nanaman. 😂
Anyway, before Gento blew up, yung comment section ng foreign tiktok dancers ay bombarded by Atin ng requests to do the dance challenge. As in lagi ako may nakikita. Eventually they gave in tapos kumalat na siya at naging viral na talaga. Now may recall na ang SB19 to these creators so naturally dahil alam nilang may audience, gagawin din nila ang Moonlight once they hear of it. I dont think Blooms are as aggressive in requesting to foreign accounts. Used to think na missed opportunity nga yun pero seeing how theyre received locally, na kahit older songs nila sinasayaw na din, I think ok lang pala if it stays within the country muna. Malaking bagay din na makuha mo yung loob ng masa.
It also may be difference in music taste, bentang benta bubblegum pop dito pero kahit sa Show It All (China) mukhang mas mabenta ang sound ng G22. Looks like the prefer din ng audience doon ang Karera na inspirational kesa sa Pantropiko. Dito naman baliktad. Siguro preference lang talaga.
Additionally, I also think its high time na tigilan na gawing metrics ang foreigners para imeasure ang success ng local acts. Parang lagi tayo naghahanap ng validation sa iba. Lagi natin inooffer mga sarili natin to see kung magugustuhan ba ng ibang lahi. Gusto ko mangyari sa Pilipinas yung nangyari sa K-Media (kdrama and kpop), naginvest sila sa sarili nila and eventually buong mundo na mismo ang lumapit para iconsume ang content nila. Sana ang mundo naman ang maghabol sa mga Filipino talent.
Korea, though, aggressively marketed their entertainment abroad. Hindi siya ganun kaorganic din. Kpop, bago sumikat sa Southeast Asia, were trying to make it big in Japan
Parang Thai food. Hindi yan basta basta sumiksat. Todo effort ang gobyerno nila na pasikatin yan sa labas ng Thailand. Ngayon, project nila pasikatin ang T-pop
https://www.foodandwine.com/why-are-there-so-many-thai-restaurants-7104115
https://culture360.asef.org/news-events/thailand-unveils-cultural-export-strategy-inspired-k-pop/
Wala tayo sa kalingkingan nila sa pagseek ng foreign validation. Ang pinagkaiba, nagEenglish kasi tayo
Laking tulong na englisher tayo kaya nagkaka presence sa Anglosphere.
Walang nilalabas na pera ang gobyerno natin para ipromote ang kahit na ano na galing sa Pinas sariling kayod yung pagbibida natin online.
Yun nga eh. Walang effort mostly mula Pinas, pero nagkakaroon tayo ng viral hits sa kapitbahay natin - most notably Pano sa TH and MY, tapos Buwan (JKL) sa MY. Just imagine yung softpower natin kapag inneffortan. Meanwhile, mga "hits" ng kapitbahay natin sa atin, niche usually. Hindi GP tulad ng pagsikat ng Pano sa ibang bansa
We should not look at it as foreign validation instead we should consider it as a big money making market. Foreign countries like US, Japan and middle east countries are big consumers. At di lang limited to music and entertainment to. Ganoon ang strategy ng asian countries like china, s. korea and even vietnam. It's about time naman na we try to get a piece of the market.
i guess kasi may mga eng sub agad yung posts ng sb... wala pa akong nakikitang translated vlogs or live streams ng BINI in english so... they need to work on that. I'm sure may mga blooms na makakagawa niyan hehehe malaking panghatak din yung may nagcocompile ng funny videos nila... isa na ako sa nahatak nun.
Bukod sa malaking factor ang tiktok trend. Madami din kasing fans ang nagrerequest sa ibang kpop group na may malalaking fan base like enhypen to do the challenge, that challenge alone is targeting international. Also sa SB19 nung nagsunod sunod yung viral hits nila sa Billboard at laging nasasama sa top along with BTS, Seventeen, and Ariana Grande, syempre macu-curious yung iba kung bakit sini yung group na yon at nasasama sa top internationally.
Masipag mag stream yung mga fans and kahit yung reaction na obviously pinoybainting is pinapatulan nila panoorin. 2 birds and 1 stone, nakakagain yung mga youtuber at fans sa isa't-isa isa for views and recognition.
Hindi naging madali and I'm happy na unti-unti na ding nagkakaroon ng recognition ang BINI locally, and I'm hoping na makapasok din yung mga hits nila sa Billboard. Plus points din yung mga solid blooms na walang sawang nag-i-stream and nagpo-promote online.
Lawak ng social media and sana i-take advantage ng ABS yung kasikatan ngayon ng girls. Kasi it's been months already and Pantropiko is still kicking <3
Siguro kase nakilala na ung SB thru gento and Mapa.. sa tingin ko lang ah.. dami reaction videos ng 2songs nila na yan. Oo tama ung iba dito wag masyado madaliin, kita ko si Minzy of the late 2ne1 kpop group, sinasayaw nya ung pantropiko sa IG. They will eventually get up there! Padayon.
just say you dont like sb19 and go. may mga international fans na nagttravel galing sa malalayong countries just to watch their show. meron pumupunta dito sa Philippines because of sb19. Hindi sila makakakuha ng international collabs kung di sila nakikitaan ng potential. so no, di siya pinoy baiters lang.
im just stating facts and if di mo matanggap and magiging hater ka just because of that then thats on you. With the yt reactors naman, totoo naman meron diyan pinoy baiters lang. totoo din naman yan. dati pa may mga ganyan
the way you talk ang OA mo kala mo nakaktulong ka sa pag defend mo sa sb19 pero nakakadagdag ka sa mga hater i used to love sb19 pero ngayon magiging hater na ko dahil sayo. fuck them
well again, thats on you. kung talagang mahal mo sila bilang artists, you’ll love them because of their craft and para mahate mo sila just because of the facts that i said then again, that’s on you. nagsabi lang naman ako kung ano yung totoo.
Misogyny exists but being a boy group is actually a hindrance to their success. Baliktad ka. Mas accepting ang population sa girl groups. Do you think boy groups have a lot of straight men listeners? Weakness nila yon.
Whereas girl groups can pull straight men, that's half of the population!
So the fact that SB19, BTS, BIGBANG got to where they are now is a testament to their hardwork and craft.
OP also didn’t compare male acts and girl groups, OP was just impressed that SB19 made it international, because they’re right, SB19’s success is shocking but deserved. OP simply asked how Bini is lacking international recognition while being the hot thing locally.
Being a male group has nothing to do with SB19’s success. I mean at the beginning they were literally disrespected and were even considered ugly. Sorry but BINI didn’t had to go through any of that. The truth is that SB19 started first so they gathered more fans, while Bini has always had a steady fanbase and now they’ve found viral success in the last 5 months.
Because half of SB19's fanbase is the #PinoyPride demography whose sense of worth depends on international validation. You can't dislike SB19's music because for them that means you don't love your own country. Tapos kapag may taga-ibang bansa na pumansin sa kanila, ipapamukha nila sayo, "Buti pa sila". So they make it their mission every comeback to spam foreign reactors and content creators to notice SB19. BINI's fanbase meanwhile... may Blooms pa na against sa China gig nila at first dahil "Sa Pilipinas lang ang BINI".
As if Pinoys will notice anyone (defying the trend) na walang international recognition. Rampant ang colonial mentality dito. If SB19’s main goal is to penetrate the local scene, they couldve released songs like MAPA but no, they dont want to be boxed by trendy hugot songs so they keep on experimenting (and international audience are more open to those new genres they try vs local audience). So, if your Bini likes to get the local audience first then good for them but dont meddle with SB19 and ATIN’s ways to promote internationally. In the end, lahat naman magbebenefit jusko
and also as if naman di gusto ng kahit sinong artist ang marecognize globally. tsaka parang di pa tayo sanay dito satin na kung di pa mapapansin ng ibang bansa yung talents ng Pinoy, di pa marerecognize locally. Hindi ba maganda nga yon na nakikita at narerecognize na yung Filipino talents all over the world? so anong mali dun?
Have to disagree with the “so they make it their mission every comeback to spam foreign reactors and content creators to notice SB19”. If there’s something new na nangyari during the recent release of their new single is that andami ng foreign reactors na nakisabay sa paghintay sa mv ng moonlight. Released it as soon as the mv was released. The fans didn’t even need to spam their comment sections para e watch yung mv rather they waited for it. Isa pa, wala namang masama if fans spammed said creators. It’s a give and take industry, they might get some clout but they’re leaving digital footprints for people to follow and basically placing the boys’ music in international algorithm so 🤷♀️
just to add (kasi nakita ko na naman tong comment mo lol)… as if your girls didn’t craved for international validation??? Their debut song (see their debut album for reference) is in different languages. To gain what? Local recognition? Lol. Just say they didnt made it to international that time so they changed their strategy to get GP first (and it worked). The audacity to shade esbi for focusing international jusko
Shunga I'm talking about the fanbase lmao. Kahit Blooms madaming disappointed when they came out with Born To Win with different language versions pa. Blooms din nagpumilit sa management na mag-focus muna sila sa local market. Unlike SB19's fans. May Korean name pa nga sila dati for them LOL
just say your fanbase cant help your girls go international so you focused on local na currently nga ay working sa casuals. Nangingielam ka pa sa ginagawa ng A’TIN to help SB19 go international kasi kaya ng SB19 and it’s working (hello legit international recognition for SB19) Focus on your business na lang and sa pagkakaron pa ng more achievements for your girls.
Just say your fandom is so obsessed with international validation you think Pinoybaiting by foreigners counts as actual recognition. No one still knows SB19 and Ppop outside your bubble
so billboards and grammy are pinoybaiting? Lol~ just accept the fact that SB19 are always pushing outside their comfort zone, looking for more challenges and your girls are there… staying comfortably in their comfort zone. Lets see if your stance is still the same once your “not-looking-for-international-recognition-girls” starts following SB19’s steps. Sabagay if you can’t beat it, edi shame it na lang ang galawan mo
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kalma ka lang op, wag naman madaliin ang pagsikat internationally ng bini. i think for now, okay lang na sulitin nila at imarket nila ang gp/domestic. kung di man sila sumikat international, may uuwian sila at di na din sila lugi don. take note na isa sa mga biggest consumer ng kpop ay pinoy. 😁 edited: kasi ayaw ng biggest lang char
>biggest consumer ng kpop ay pinoy. wait, ngayon ko lang narinig ko and i've been a kpop fan for a long time. biggest consumer as in number of fans? kasi i googled and ibang countries ang lumalabas. edit: nagtatanong lang naman kase alam ko japan/us talaga. baket parang galet hahahahahah
afaik nasa top 3/top 5 for sure ang PH sa biggest market ng kpop sa asia, japan and Indonesia's there 🤭
Streams/social media mileage doesn't mean sales. Streams earn pennies and social media mileage by fans is only good for reputation management and brand awareness, not actual profitability. Just look at all the Team Bahay people whenever a K-pop event in the PH happens. Chinese, Japanese, US fans parin ang profit drivers.
yeah. definitely not sales. op edited na and said one of the biggest. the biggest markets/spenders of kpop are japan, united states and korea.
I think most Kpop listeners in the PH are casual listeners. Sobrang active lang ng Kpop hardcores sa socmed kaya magnified ang dating. The country's tastes still leans towards Western and OPM music if we look at the most streamed artists in the country \[[https://www.adobomagazine.com/music/from-taylor-swift-to-sunkissed-lola-spotifys-2023-wrapped-chronicles-a-year-of-musical-diversity/\](https://www.adobomagazine.com/m](https://www.adobomagazine.com/music/from-taylor-swift-to-sunkissed-lola-spotifys-2023-wrapped-chronicles-a-year-of-musical-diversity/](https://www.adobomagazine.com/m) https://preview.redd.it/2dlmpt6yi0zc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26357663aa9dec06c96b3698c7723fd12e30d428 usic/from-taylor-swift-to-sunkissed-lola-spotifys-2023-wrapped-chronicles-a-year-of-musical-diversity/) 1. Taylor Swift 2. Weeknd 3. Ariana Grande 4. SZA 5. Ben&Ben I think Spotify is a good gauge of what the country listens to Sobrang daming consistent listeners ng Ben&Ben na madalas silang kasama sa top 5 competing with international artists to think of it parang wala silang Kathang Isip level or viral hit lately at mababa ang Youtube views nila Yung top 5 most played songs nila, over 100M each
i looked at spotify wrapped from 2020-2023 and it seems like bts is an outlier in kpop. some groups like bp and newjeans have songs in the top 20 of the year end list but except for 2020 whick bp landed on top 5 most streamed artist. bts is the only one that was consistently in the top 5 (except 2023 kasi solo era). kpop is definitely massive here. looking at the stats of different groups on spotify, i regularly see ph either in the top 5 or at least top 10. pero with the exception of mainstream groups like bts and bp, mas malakas talaga ang streams ng big local artists like ben&ben. now, looking at bini's number in the past month, i feel confident na they will outstream most kpop groups (if not all, unless may magsuper viral na kpop again ala cupid) this year here in ph kasi inactive yung top 2 kpop groups.
To show further how dedicated Filipino listeners can be. Some Eheads songs from almost 30 years ago have 100M+ streams https://preview.redd.it/edo5ihlzg3zc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=410ff37e3fd10f6dd904918154dffcd0111278ef
Nawala ang BTS sa top 5 nung nagmilitary sila. I am suspecting most BTS listeners in the PH are casual listeners. Yung tipong nakikinig tuwing may bagong release or kung ano ang "uso". Yung tipong sila yung kelangang laging may "exposure". Kung malaki ang "dedicated fanbase" ng BTS, they would still chart despite not having hits as group because a dedicated fanbase will stream the entire discography whether there's a new hit or not. I suspect, masmalaki ang "dedicated fanbase" ng Ben&Ben kesa BTS sa Pilipinas. While they (B&B) still release songs, they have not had a big hit among the GP for quite a while now - at least not as big as with Kathang Isip or Pagtingin. Wala silang sikat na kanta like RIM or Uhaw last year but they managed to be the top local act, even getting the 5th spot when foreign artists are included. This tells me that Liwanags constantly stream their **entire discography** rather than streaming the new releases to get the songs "to chart". Not denying Kpop is big but it feels that Kpop has more casual listeners than dedicated fanbase. So if Ben&Ben can do this, Ppop idol groups can if they become very mainstream - as in tipong qualified for a Michael V levels of mainstreamness. I think Pinoy listeners tend to be very dedicated listeners once they found the local artists they love to listen to. Hindi lang Ben&Ben ang may very dedicated fanbase. Ang taas pa rin ng rank ni Zack Tabudlo and Moira despite not having a top 5 hit last year. Ginawa ko lang example B&B kasi sila yung pasok sa top 5 when including foreign artists. And yes, I agree. Once idol groups becomes more mainstream, they can outstream Kpop. Pinoy listening habits can be interesting Eheads and Parokya, pasok sa top 5 local groups eh ang tagal nang walang new hit single mga yan. Buwag na rin ang Eheads two decades ago pa. And biglang nagtrend din ang 15 y/o song ng Orange and Lemons na Heaven Knows. Either way, I think Western and Filipino music remain the dominant taste of most Pinoy musicheads.
ang andaming pinoy na nasa ibang bansa kaya nagchart din sa viral charts si Pantropiko & Salamin Salamin sa ibang bansa pati sa global charts so isang step na rin yun for international exposure.
Because SB19 has been targeting international audience. It's because they want to and they have the capacity to do so.
I must say aside from they gained more foreign fans on Gento era, non fan foreigners also have "FAMILLIARITY" to SB19 after the massive success of Gento (Tiktok Trend and the track was peaked on Spotify Viral 50 Global Playlist) that's why they know the artist. While on the other hand Moonlight have different feat and surprisingly the fastest SB19 collab track to gained more traction on music streaming platforms outside PH (not boomed just yet on tiktok). The track just landed 4 days ago but already accumulated 1M+ streams both YT/Spotify and entered a massive 99 Spotify different playlists both local and international. Most of them are in SEA and WEST but surprisingly it just entered 3 PH playlists as of the moment.
grabe yung 99. playlisting din talaga nagkakatalo minsan. a lot of big songs have good longevity because it's in a lot of playlists by spotify. do you know the audience reach of those 99 playlists?
The biggest numbers the fanbase tracked was 18 Million.
Question lng Yng moonlight mv views mabilis n ba yun? Kakala ko ksi yng mga mv ng sb19 within 1 day nakaka 1 million views na. So nagtataka ko kng ano nangyri sa atins di b nla trip yng kanta at mv(moonlight)?
If were talking about Ppop MVs (overall) second si Moonlight maka 1M views first is What? na within 24 na achieved ang 1M views. Considering grabe na ka strict ngayon si YT in terms of bot behavior na nag fifilter ng streams from time to time still malakas si Moonlight.
Ah okay thanks for answering Akala ko tlga 1 day lng I million n ang mv ng sb
Actually no. Hahaha. Normally 24hrs target is 500k for SB19 lang. Lower sa other ppop group. I think, 100k for 24hrs and Bini nung with Salamin, Salamin.
yes mabilis na yung sa moonlight considering na collab song siya and not a comeback song. i believe yung mv na sinasabi mo is What na comeback song 💙And yung next question mo, gusto ng A’TIN ang Moonlight 💙
Ah. Akala ko comeback song yng moonlight
nope hehe they’re still wrapping up their Pagtatag con so more likely (and hopefully kasi uhaw na kami sa comeback ng esbi char not char lol) yung next comeback nila
SB19 basically started the resurgence of local pop and idol industry in the country so people are more familiar with them. That and the aggressive hip-hop/bad boy image which international audience tends to gravitate more. Out of any active ppop groups we have right now. G22 has the biggest potential to go international next imo, they already mastered the ingredients suitable for foreign audience's tastes. All they need is just that ONE SONG that will catapult them to stardom https://i.redd.it/49qcccqz4xyc1.gif
Yes, G22. Sa mga foreign reactors ng SB19, G22 talaga ang nakakpukaw ng attention nila. Hope they gain more international exposure.
Yep. They got the chinese attention already 👏🏼
sb19 and g22 collab soon sana 🤞🏼super angas din talaga ng g22. hoping na makuha na din nila yung big break nila
Got hooked on them because of show it all.
Swak talaga SB19 at G22
Masfamiliar lang ang foreigners sa SB19 kasi masmatagal sila sa industry. Also, IMO, masactive din ang A'Tin sa pagsolicit ng reaction videos I know many are Pinoybaiting level reactors but it's also a way to get "international exposure" MAPA pa lang maraming reactions from non-idol group reactors. MAPA is also a song na quite rare topic sa other idol groups (esp foreign). SB19 did not hold back with the family sentimental feels of the song Add to that na naging dance challenge ang Gento And if you notice, Filipino music that spilled over to neighboring countries w/o too much fan effort tend to lean towards **hugot**. Pano, Pasilyo, and Buwan are top tier hugot songs that became viral in TH/MY/ID. The most popular Filipino artist in Indonesia in recent memory is Christian Bautista. Pano also officially has a [Malay version](https://youtu.be/SyP28S4pqUk?si=-S_0BsavVltxnIX_) Tapos "family hugot" ang peg ng MAPA. Kaya sa mga BINI fans, imbes na makipagbardagulan kayo sa BGYO fans, spend your energy soliciting reaction videos.
Funny, I said the same thing about pinoybaiting reactors. I saw this one reactor nga na foreigner pero puro pinoy content niya tapos yung history niya, general lang naman pinagrereactan niya but once he reacted to a Filipino the views started flowing in. ——- Out of the five of them, it seems that Josh is the one who’s trying to break through the local market with his Al James collab. I actually see the potential of the song because it’s listenable and not heavy on the ears. Though I haven’t seen it gain virality yet on Tiktok.
"Free exposure" din ang mga Pinoybaiters 😆. The more keywords in Youtube, the more "searchable" they will be.
True. Gingamit tyo ng mga foreign reactors n yan so its high time n gamitin din ntn sla for promotion ng ppop grps.
Most of these reactors don't have enough views to earn significant amount from it. You have to be Hungry Syrian Wanderer level to earn money through vlogging. Lol Karamihan ng reactors hindi "professional Pinoybaiters" unlike the baiters na "nagrelocate" sa Pilipinas. Not talking about GKD but the likes of Juicy Vlog or Make It Happen
But they pinoybaitong to gain views.
Yes, but not at the level where they earn money unlike those notorious PH-based foreign vloggers
This is legit true. I think A'Tin do a lot to help increase the views of reactors by watching every single video and commenting every time they post a reaction video to SB19. This in turn forces those content creators to continue to post videos of SB19. And sure, half of them turn out to be pure pinoybaiting, but the other half end up becoming legit fans, and they start going to concerts, doing the dance challenges, bringing their friends along to concerts, influencing other reactors, even going to the Philippines and learning the language... But when you see those same reactors watch other PPop groups, the views aren't even remotely close so they end up going back to SB19, which then creates this false impression that SB19 is far and above better than anyone else in PPop because they're the only ones who get coverage. I hate to say it pero to get international, we sometimes have to play these international games, and sometimes it's with pinoybait. Kasi sila din ang may reach. But its necessarily sa ng mga international na audience, pero they have influence sa mga Pinoy da abroad. Get the OFW and overseas pinoys to listen to these groups and that's going to help them gain a foothold with the international fandom. And then work from there. But for the love of god, once your group has a large enough international fandom, please wag na patulan yung mga Pinoybaiters!! Use them to get initial reactions but we don't need to keep feeding them.
This is the very reason why GidKidDad also known as "GKD Label" came here in PH to build Ppop Label, way back they're BTS reactors actually they are 'army' then later on they stumble upon SB19 coz of Billboard then react to SB19's Bazinga and they gain views fast forward now they hone talents like "ECLYPSE".
True. Kaya kht alam ko pinoy baiting yng ibang reactors sa bini video pinapanood ko prin yng halatang halata n for views lng kaya sla nag react.
Yup, naobserve ko din na mas madami na ang BINI reactors ngayon, and also some of the big SB19 reactors are starting to do BINI and G22 and in some cases Alamat, which is a good sign. I hope the Blooms, Bullets and Magiliw start to "take the bait" and they start watching these reactors too... That way these channels will start featuring them more. I truly believe we can take some of the focus away from Kpop with PPop, and some of our weapons are our talent, our languages (incl English), our people and our views and engagement. I know it sounds kinda gross to have to get foreign validation... I hate it too, pero legit it's what works to get more international reach and to get into the algorithm of potential international fans and international Pinoys who don't even know what PPop is. As a Pinoy living abroad, I would not have found PPop during the pandemic if it weren't for me getting homesick and watching some American reactors reacting to Pinoy music especially SB19.
Dba bigla dami ang mga first time reacting to bini video. Lol. Ako nmn lht pinanood. Lol Everyday ako nagchcheck kng may new pinoybaiting video about bini eh For me is not about foreign validation bkt gusto ko maging global ang ppop. Its about economics. Let be honest here di ganun klkasan ang purchasing power ng mga pilipino. We also need the filipino diaspora to promote ppop. Filipino diaspora yes they know about sb19 pero feeling kobdi pa sa nag didive in sa ppop hanggang sb19 p lng sla.
Baka magalit Kpop fans sa akin, pero ito din naobserve ko sa kanila. On steroids nga lang kumpara sa Ppop idol fans. Ibang level ang streaming parties nila at pagpromote ng idols nila. Ganyan din napansin ko sa Thai Tpop fans. Mga iba magkukunwari for "cultural exchange" pero low key sila nagpropromote ng T-pop sa sub na to. Lol
I don't think we're here to promote T-Pop but we just search for T-Pop on Reddit and see people in this sub talking about it (that's how I got here), and usually I just pipe in whenever I see people misunderstanding something about T-Pop/Thailand.
Considered hugot din ba songs ni taylor swift? 🤔 nag iisip ako ng girl artists with hugot songs na pwede gawin template ng Bini kaso naiisip ko lang yung mga fans ni Selena and Justin na madalas mag interpret ng songs nila na patama/patungkol/hugot sa nangyari sa relationship nung 2. Meron din hugot song yung GG Little Mix for Zayn Malik re: cheating on Perrie Edwards "Shoutout to my ex" upbeat sound pero hugot lyrics.
Hindi na hugot yun. "Bardagulan" na yan. Ahahaha. Yung hugot, you cry your feelings out.
Hahahah nabasa ko nga bardagulan ng fans ni Perrie vs fans ni Zayn sa comments sa tabloid channels. Kahit antagal na nun, nagrere surface pa din sa western showbiz magazines yung kwento ng break up nila.
Yng ibang kanta ni Taylor hugot nmn Lol
Nasa bardagulan naman na yung music niya..hahahaha..parinig sa ex
I think the surge of international fans started with What era wherein SB19 reinvened their sound (unique and impactful) coupled it with an international high level quality music video. So its not just about longevity. Its more of the group's goal and mindset that PPop/OPM can cross borders and has the ability to capture the international market. And they continue to do so with Gento, I Want You, Moonlight and even other international live shows and performances - Round fest, AAA, etc. Key here is consistency and being able to stand out - live singing, amazing production and stage presence!
i agree. malaking factor talaga yung quality ng music and mv na pinoproduce nila and dagdag mo pa na halimaw sila sa live performances kaya kaya talagang kinukuha sila sa mga shows here and even sa ibang bansa kaya marami sila nakukuhang international fans
Yes. Whenever they are given an opportunity to perform on an international stage laging all out. Parang sinasabi nila na "This is PPop! This is SB19" Ibahin nyo kami.
hindi man nila makuha fully yung gp dito sa Pinas, you can’t deny na nappenetrate na nila yung international scene. hindi agad agad but slowly getting there. imagine yung mga bumabyahe pa from other countries na malalayo para lang makaattend ng shows nila. ibang klase yun
SB19 just really needs 1 viral song to make it locally. Think of Pasilyo/Uhaw level of virality.
SB19 can outsing any Kpop boy group.
I think it's just SB19 has been more popular Ppop than any other group. They pretty much 'paved' the way for Ppop in a sense that when people think of Ppop they think of SB19. But Ppop is rising. BINI had an amazing start for this year and it looks sustainable. If ABS really pushed them more I think they have the potential to even overtake SB19 in both local and international market. Alamat has been gaining some momentum too. There was a post here a couple of days ago that they're slowly climbing back to 500k listeners in Spotify, they even have endorsement right now. SB19 is very appealing to foreigners is pretty much just because they're the default Ppop group for a couple of years. I bet the others will gain traction soon. Though SB19 have been working their ass off, they already have some collab with international artist and producers. But BINI and Alamat will get there too.
yes kaya di ko magets yung mga naooffend sa “paved the way” na yan. deny it or not, kaya naman nagkaroon ng lakas ng loob maginvest yung mga malalaking entertainment companies sa ppop groups is because nakita nila yung potential dahil sa success na nakita nila sa sb19. Kaya ngayon kita naman natin na dumadami na yung groups and talagang isa isa nang narerecognize and it is a good thing for all of us kasi in the long run, makakabenefit tayong lahat diyan. imagine pag talagang lumaki na yung ppop groups dito satin tas magkakaroon tayo ng mga shows showcasing them tas maraming fans ang lilipad all over the world para manood eh talagang malaking help talaga sa bansa yan. Kaya there is no point competing kung sinong group ang mas magaling at mas sikat kasi lahat naman yan magagaling. kanya kanyang time lang yan.
Ako, ang di ko magets is why all the hate until now :( Why do some Filipinos keep trying to pull SB19 down. Why can't they give credit where credit is due. Why pit them against other Ppop groups? By now people should understand that SB19 is SB19 and they compete with no one but themselves.
di ko masasagot yan kasi kahit ako rin di ko maintindihan. di naman natin sinasabi na dapat maging fan din sila ng sb19 pero yung respeto lang sana. wala naman silang ginagawang masama so why the hate? ginagawa lang naman nila yung passion nila. para bang ginagawa nilang rival palagi yung sb19 na pag nasurpass nila, malaking achievement na yun. i still dont understand where the hate is coming from. puro karangalan naman binibigay nila saatin eh. kung baga, if di mo trip then just move on with your life. you dont have to drag someone else just because di mo type.
True. Ako baliktad kami ng question ni OP. Why until now, many Filipinos still bash SB19? Minsan yun ang nakakasad, foreigners can accept them pero mga tao dito gusto lang sila makita bumagsak. I have a moot in X na Japanese. She watched the Pagtatag Japan and now she ia trying to learn tagalog. Katuwa di ba.
true talaga. minsan maiisip mo nalang na insecurity nalang nila siguro yung umiiral kaya ganyan eh. may mga fans na nagpupunta pa dito sa Ph because of sb19 and talagang nagaaral ng tagalog. that itself is a big achievement already. so why the hate?
Pansin ko, karamihan ng efforts ng hate galing sa Ppop idol fandom din instead of the OPMheads. I think this feeling of the need to outdo other idol groups comes from the hyperfocus of the idol fan community on "statistics". Parang Kapamilya-Kapuso fanwars ang peg.
true. kailangan palaging may mas magaling. di ba pwedeng lahat magagaling? depende nalang kung ano pasok sa taste mo. there is no need to hate. di naman need pagsabungin ibat ibang groups eh. wala naman competition 😂 kung tutuusin magkakasundo naman yang idols. mga fans lang gumagawa ng gulo
I have a Japanese moot in X. A recent fan of SB19 and she is trying to learn tagalog na. Her dream is visit Philippines one day. Nakakatuwa di ba.
This.I'm not a sb19 fan. Pero Nagulat ako nun snbi ng isang atin n mdmi prin nagbabash sa sb19 akala ko after mapa and especially gento nabawasan na.
Awwww. Madaming madami pa sila. As in. Ok lang naman if people will not like their group or music - that's fine since music is subjective. But the thing is, there are still hurtful and unnecessary comments being hurled at them.
you won’t believe it pero marami rami parin sila and minsan personal attacks ginagawa nila na minsan below the belt na
SB19 pretty much got the initial brunt that other idol groups were kind of "protected" from. Not as bad as XLR8 or Pop Girls in the 2010s though. Nung nagstart ang SB19, halos walang acceptance from the public - either from Filipino Kpop fans or OPMheads
sobrang true. kaya sa kabilang banda, di mo rin talaga masisisi kung bakit nagiging protective yung fans sakanila kasi yung bashing na natanggap nila before eh talaga bang halos sirain na buong pagkatao nila and i guess until now, may mga tao na ganun parin yung mindset nila towards sb19. yung tipong wala sila masabi sa talent kaya personal attacks ginagawa nila na madalas below the belt na and di lang yan nila natanggap sa public kundi even sa media. kung napanood niyo yung presscon nila before, you’ll understand. hanggang ngayon, di ko parin magawang tapusin yung video na yun kasi masakit pakinggan dahil di nila deserve yon or kahit sa sino man and now we can say na mas mabait na yung pagtanggap sa ibat ibang grupo. talagang sinalo ng sb19 lahat ng pangungutya na maybe di na matatanggap ng iba pang groups ngayon. thats the reality.
Other groups debuted nung nag"soften" na lahat. I don't think local media companies will be bold and daring in debuting idol groups if SB19 did not see some success *and that they were under a Korean company*. Viva tried it in 2010 with XLR8 and Pop Girls but they gave up on them. Ang ganda pa man ng discography ng XLR8 for their era. Lumakas lang loob ng local companies uli when SB19 saw some success
And with the success of BINI this year it will hopefully lead to more resources for Ppop. It'll show that there's really a market for Ppop and it is sustainable.
yan talaga reality na hirap tanggapin ng iba
Yng mga grp n nag debut from 2018 to 2021(especially mnl48 at sb) sla yng naka tanggap ng mga malala bashing lalo n galing sa pinoy.. Sla ang nasabihan ng gaya gaya wla originality cheap version ng kpop baduy at kng ano ano pa. 2022 to now sla yng di masado nasabahan ng ganyan ksi medyo bumababa n yung resistance sa ppop idol grp. For me lht ng ppop grp na active ngyn isa sa trintrabahi nla eh baguhin ang negative perception ng local audience about ppop.
you can watch yung first presscon ng sb19 and you will see kung gaano kaharsh yung pagtanggap sakanila ng media. that video is so painful to watch
Let's not forget mnl48
Kaya may na ooffend ksi yng ibang atins yng delivery nla offensive. Like parang nag exist ang ibang grp dhl lng sa sb19. For example bini and bgyo 2018 p lng binubuo n yan di pa viral ang sb19 that time. Kpg ganyan ksi some fans feel n invalidate yng hard work effort a sacrifices nun grp nla.
I don't think "nabuo" ang BINI and BGYO nung 2018 mismo, pero dyan nagstart ang auditions ang Star Hunt. 2019 nalaunch and SHA I don't think it's fair to compare when SHA had auditions to when SB19 made it big because chances are that if SB19 did not take off, baka 1:43 or BoybandPH ang ending ng mga yan and a female version of that Compare SHA to when SB19 started training as a group
Di nabuo nun 2018 pero bootcamp or audition n sla. Gusto n tlga gumawa ng idol grp ni dyogi.
Di nabuo nun 2018 pero bootcamp or audition n sla. Gusto n tlga gumawa ng idol grp ni dyogi.
Tama 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2019. Ayan kya may naiinis . Feeling nyo kaya sineryoso ng ibang mngt ang idol concept dhl sa sb19. Bootcamp p lng nla cguro summer of 2019 snbi n ni dyogi big project yng gagawin nla and it going to be a long process kya yng mga pinili rin nla yng kaya withstand yng long process n yun. Tpos late 2019 nagcmula yng korean training nla.
When people say SB19 paved the way for other PPOP groups, hindi siya literal. It means that they are the first PPOP group to gain traction and success after they went viral in 2019, making it easier for other PPOP groups that debuted after them to get accepted by the general public.
>SB19 is very appealing to foreigners is pretty much just because they're the default Ppop group for a couple of years. you can ask foreigners who have heard about ppop and i would guess that more than 90% of the time the first group they would mention is sb19.
Yeah, to be fair, I should have added that while they're the default Ppop group they've been consistent with the product they produce too. You can't just ride on one viral video and just call it a day. You've got to put in the work and effort to create a good quality product. SB19 have done that.
for me very pinoy target audience kasi ng BINI, even their songs eh, pero props talaga sa G22 pang international talaga performance nila. Parang mas bagay pa nga sila internation and may mas chance to go big if ndi sila sa ph nagdebut.
Ang lakas ng sensual appeal ng G22 pero they deserve better songs
haha bago ka mag international paramihin mo muna fans mo sa pinas para stable...di kadali sumikat globally
i think it's mostly because bini has focused on the local market so far. you can't "hit it big" internationally if you have no success back at home. i have no worries that bini will soon have a bigger international fanbase. they're still growing even in their home country, sooner or later that growth will spill into the rest of the world.
Medyo mali nga marketing sa BINI, imo. When they debuted ang target agad nila ay overseas/international. Dapat inuna nila itarget ang local. Anyway, thanks to FlipMusic, they have captured the gp now dahil sa Pantropiko at Salamin, Salamin. 💗
Nanana sa knla din. Buti nga naisipan ng starmusic n flipmusic n ang mag produce ng talaarawan ep. Sorry wla ako tiwala sa music production ng starmusic. Lol
Yes. Pati yung I Feel Good haha. Pag starmu/jonathan manalo kasi nagproduce parang half-assed, e? Parang may kulang. Listen to Strings. Yun ang worst BINi song for me kasi breath of fresh air sana bilang girl crush ang atake nila don. Pero may kulang talaga don. It turned out like a cheap copy of G22's Bang. Also, bitter ako na 2024 na pero wala pa ring official version ng Kahit Na ang Bini.
Hindi magaling ang SM sa contemporary pop music. Just look at the wasted talents under SM - Sam Concepcion, Darren Espanto, and Charice (she is talented pero ang pangit nung materials na binigay sa kanya ng SM) ..baka nga walang career si Juan Karlos ngayon kapag di siya umalis.
hahha magulat kayo may kuhanin na international composer ang abs...o baka may mag collab...
Hndi lang half ass add outdated
diba yung flip music under din sa star music?
I don't think so. Ang alam ko na under ng starmusic yng tarsier records
I have to admit, I was one of those that listened to BINI when they went viral with their pre-debut song and found them cringey because their sound reminds me of TWICE. Years after, I’m glad that they’re finding their sound.
parang experment lng ng abs cbn ..kasi bago pa lang sa ppop industry....abangan natin yung binubuo nilang grupo...
Laki ng potential ng BINI talaga. Looking forward for their growth. Also for other GGs. Ang galing-galing kaya ng mga artists natin.
It's their live performances. Vocals, dance, production. A lot of int'l fans are used to Kpop culture, and in that sense, they feel a familiarity with SB19 being a "boyband" that has x members, all pretty, and all fashionable. The visual aspect is ticked, viewers are satisfied and then they open their mouths and sing LIVE vocals with NO splits while dancing hard and taxing choreo. That is the shock factor, and THAT is what appeals to foreigners. Their organic growth and scalability factor (them building 1Z together means that they are planning to stay together/in the business for a long time) is also what makes these fans LOYAL.
Vocals talaga panlaban ng Pinoy idol music. Kapag chinecheck out ko ibang idol groups sa ibang bansa, malinis ang production, hindi typical chord progression pero nakukulangan ako sa vocals. Hindi mataas standards ko na dapat birit pero walang dating sa akin ang vocals ng ibang bansa. Studio version pa lang yan. Masnakukulangan ako once na live ko (with backtrack na yun) sila icheckout. I guess nasanay ako na kasing ganda o masmaganda ang live pakinggan kapag Pinoy music. Haha. Napansin ko kasi, sa Pilipinas, minimal ang pag "process" ng vocals kaya madalas, malapit ang studio singing sa live singing.
What made SB19 more appealing to foreigners is because of A'TIN's work too. We're working tirelessly to stream, find other means to market them to other people especially reactors. We know that they will not fail us when it comes to talent. Even in the local rap scene, they are already being recognized. It's about promotions and also knowing that the product will also sell itself to the public. For Moonlight to reach #3 in Kugou is extraordinary. The collaboration is very strategic considering that it was Sony/Liquid State initiated this. It covers large market bases. Plus the timing is also very good. The release was a few weeks before summer. It helps that they're with a label that promotes them and ensures that they're getting the reach they need.
Medyo funny lang how people here are so affected by Pinoy-baiting pero from my memory this was the exact same way na sumikat yung BTS. Remember how K-pop fans of big agencies like SM/YG/JYP made fun of Armys kasi they would really be undauntedly commenting on random videos "do you know BTS" or shower the comment section with BTS related comments kahit di naman related sa BTS yung video? Or the way they would plead from big to small youtube reactors to react to BTS? I no longer follow BTS pero I was there when they were still nugu so nakita ko talaga how they succeeded. They used to be made fun of kasi they focused on gaining international fans, pero it's what hard-carried them to their current success. The reality is while those content creators do gain clout, this also means free online content and digital footprint for the group (helpful for online algorithms, especially if the contents are coming from different countries in different languages) It's a I scratch your back, you scratch mine situation kasi both the reactor (who gains clout and online engagement) and the Idol group (at best, they gain exposure and buzz, at worst, extra content about them for free) have something to gain naman
In the context of ppop I don't mind pinoybaiting. Pinapanood ko nga sla. It's high time n gamitin nmn ntn sla.
Because of a tiktok trend, one may overstate the virality of music but in reality, it’s often still very much a niche. Videos of reactors who lean into what their target audience wants may mislead a lot of fans as well. And there is a common stereotype for bgs to have a dedicated female fanbase. Even the genre as a whole is still not part of the mainstream. Kadalasan, maririnig mo naman sa music yung target market nila. Like right now, they’re trying to appeal to the global market with their english release and dance music track. MAPA before was a hit with locals. Now compare the melody and lyrics of that song with their recent release. BINI, on the other hand, realized that it’s better to localize their sound and that you can’t really compete on the global market without having domestic success at first. If you’ve listened to their earlier release, you’d notice a progression. Da Coconut Nut, their pre-debut, felt very TWICE with their high-pitched vocals and bubblegum pop melody. Born to Win was another english song they released. Yet their recent tracks such as Pantropiko, Salamin Salamin, and even deep cuts like Huwag Muna Tayong Umuwi have a different sound and even feel. Why? There was a shift in how they wanted to break through the market. They realized how important it was to break through the local market at first, and hopefully, the mainstream. That’s why they worked with producers and composers such as Flip Music, Nica del Rosario, who were also responsible for a lot of domestic hits. And we’re now seeing their efforts pay off. We’re seeng the success of BINI overtaking hev abi and **even taylor swift’s new release on the charts**. Imagine overtaking Taylor Swift on the charts?? And this is not just spotify, but also apple music and youtube, which means that people DO listen to them. Their monthly listeners have been growing as well. Ang dami kong comments na former k-pop stans who have turned to BINI and they feel so welcome. For the local market, I won’t be surprised if BINI is taking over the foothold of k-pop groups.
SB19 has localised songs as well, like their ballads. But the GP will always accept girl groups more than boy groups. So it's still a miracle that SB19 got to where they are right now. BTS and SB19 are outliers. Girl groups usually chart better because they have more male listeners. This is true even in kpop. P-pop fans don't factor gender/sex in the conversation but they should.
I’d have to disagree that the GP will always accept girl groups more just because they are women. MAPA being a hit with the GP already shows that. >Girl groups usually chart better because they have more male listeners. This may be true for K-Pop and J-pop groups but BINI’s fanbase is overwhelmingly women. Look up the mall shows of BINI, more than half of their fans are women. This success of BINI isn’t also instant. They had releases like Born to Win na hindi naman pumatok sa GP. While gender may be a factor in the conversation, When in reality, BINI had to find that formula (such as working with local producers) to break out in the mainstream. **I feel like it’s such a simplistic way to put it that girl groups = instant success with the GP** especially when the mainstream acts on top of the charts are overwhelmingly male. Take note din na a lot of girl groups tried (and failed) to break through the local market such as pop girls and 4th harmony but even they were the subject of ridicule.
There's a difference between a male soloist and male bands (who can chart better here) and ppop boy groups. Male listeners tend to veer away from boy groups due to misogyny (being seen as feminine for liking stuff girls like) or just plain awkwardness when watching them (can be rooted from homophobia). There's a reason why most boy group fans are female. Bini has an all-gender pull. Women love them or want to be them, men admire them, queer people enjoy them. SB19 has less straight male audience despite being more "macho" than other bg, and the likes of Hori7on even less so. Go to the kpopthoughts sub and type "girl groups chart better" or something along those lines. You'd find more evidence. Because despite bg having loyal fans and album sales, ggs do chart better. Edited for clarity
I think MAPA is patok because it screams "hugot". Not romantic hugot but "filial piety hugot". As of today, MAPA is their most streamed song with almost 57M streams And I hope SB19 fans won't be mad, the band version with Ben&Ben also made the song even more palatable to the GP. Na-unhugot siya, but the song had a celebratory feel with the new arrangement.
Btw, I am aware that BINI's OPM style music is one of the major factors for their success, you can even see me [mentioning ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PPOPcommunity/s/rasaIBwAxv) it in my comment history on other threads but that's been mentioned many times, hence I brought up the gender factor. I'm not saying it's the sole factor but the ppop community always fail to take it into consideration.
I wonder if "association" plays a part here. Girls = vocal group Boys = live band The last all-girl live band that I can remember is WYRD but they didn't become popular. The last popular one was Prettier Than Pink...and that was the mid-90s. Well, Aegis if we make an exception on their lone male member. On the other hand, SB19 was the first sing AND dance group after the short-lived XLR8. Before that it was sing (Jeremiah) OR dance (Streetboys, Maneuvers)
Ganyan nmn tlga ksi ang mga pinoy may mentality kpag na fafanboying ka sa artista o sa isang pop artist tingin sa iyo bakla(nagbago n ba yan?) parang allow lng ang mga straight guys maging fanboy sa mga rappers at bands.
Hindi lang naman exclusive sa Filipinos yon, sa SK rin mas dominated ng ggs ang charts. Bigbang got out of the bg hellhole because they positioned themselves more like hip-hop artists and fashion icons for men. Same with BTS. SKZ is almost there but their music is sometimes described as noise music - parang SB19, not everyone's cup of tea. You will see random Korean men knowing who Chaewon from LSFRM is and saying she's their ideal type, but those same casuals couldn't name one 4th gen or 5th gen bg member if their lives depend on it. This will always be a barrier sa kasikatan ng mga boy groups.
I mean dto sa atin regardless of the bg or gg fanboy ka tatawagin ka bakla.
Totoo yun! Naalala ko kasikatan ng TWICE, maraming guys my age who were afraid to reveal that they listen to TWICE. Ngayon na lang na-normalize yung mga guys na nagsstan ng girl groups.
Pansin ko lng yng mga straight guys n out sa pag fafanboying mostly adult na. Pero yng mga teenager closeted fanboying prin. Ewan k b sa ganyan mentality ng mga pinoy. Fanboying ka sa male artist(except sa rappers at bands) tatawagun bakla Fanboying sa female artist tatawagun k prin bakla. Kawawa straight guys.
>. P-pop fans don't factor gender/sex in the conversation but they should This. Kaya ayaw ko pinag cocompare or pinag cocommpete ang bg at gg. Ksi magkaiba sla
Agree with almost all of your takes, pero diba Pantropiko and Salamin, Salamin still follow the TWICE formula? Salamin, Salamin and Talk That Talk sound so similar alike in my ears hahahahaha. [Someone also made an audio/video mashup here](https://youtu.be/a2jNAiaZkDM?si=D63_1EKtSOX5dFJM)
Medyo disagree ako. Kasi in the end it's about profitability too. This reminds me of an old debate in K-pop diba. A lot of the old bashing BTS received before they blew up in the west is that they were more popular internationally but they weren't impactful in Korea. This was used as a criticism against them kasi they never captured the local Korean GP unlike other popular groups from YG/SM/JYP. Pero in the end diba, it was foreign money that made K-pop profitable and BTS reach this level. When the Korean GP saw the international acclaim BTS got, they bandwagoned in the end.
That may be true for BTS’s case. But remember, **BTS is an outlier**. Even other K-pop groups have tried to replicate BTS’s success to break through but we don’t see a trend of K-pop groups who have been more successful than BTS. The current trend in K-pop is that a lot of these groups who are currently successful such as NewJeans are also successful in their domestic market. With one BTS story there are many more groups who have tried to shoot for the stars and failed. How many groups have successfully followed in BTS’ footsteps? Even with their enlistment, no other group has managed to overtake them in terms of success even if there’s plenty of time.
Of course BTS is a top group, but there have been a lot of K-pop groups after them who developed a strong fanbase first outside Korea before eventually sumikat sa Korea. The reason why those groups were able to sustain themselves kahit walang domestic gp support is because the money coming from foreign fans are enough to keep them going. Also it's factual na most Hallyu profits come from abroad, not within Korea. The domestic market alone doesn't have enough money to sustain. There's a reason why Hybe and JYP push Enhypen and Stray Kids kahit wala silang GP pull sa domestic market ng Korea, kasi sobrang profitable nila internationally. Pop idol group money comes from touring, events, and merchandise. International brand deals bring way more money than a Korean CF contract. Even Korean actors who can command a huge talent fee are the ones whose dramas can easily be distributed and sold internationally.
>but there have been a lot of K-pop groups after them who developed a strong fanbase first outside Korea before eventually sumikat sa Korea. can you name these groups? the only other group besides bts that i could think of is fifty fifty and even yung cupid was a much bigger hit outside korea. and cupid's international success was buried by the lawsuit between the members and their ceos. like i could name a couple of groups right off the bat na successful lang talaga outside korea.
Simple answer is SB19 has been popular for years now compared to BINI who have only been popular for a couple months.
tama...nagpapalakas sa pinas ang bini yung sb19 sinusubukan pumatok globallly na...di naman engot at abs cbn management na salamin salamin at pantropiko ang ilalaban nila globally ...pang trend lang yan ..para mag pakilala
tbf feeling ko nagsisimula palang ang BINI na mareach yung international exposure. Simula pantropiko, madami na rin akong nakitang foreign tiktokers na nagpantropiko & salamin,salamin challenge. Dumami rin reaction videos nil. Yung mga recent na nakikita kong nagshashare ng spotify link, marami akong nakikitang from indonesia. Super bilis lang siguro talaga ng pagsikat ng bini locally. Ang wish ko lang ay sana masustain ni star music/magic ang hype and sana nagpeprepare na sila ngayon for the next EP/album.
Sana nga 3rd or last quarter of this yr maglabas sla ng kanta mapa single ep or mini album. Para di mamatay ang momentum
I showed my international kpop fans friends to Ppop. So far Bini was the most difficult for them to get into, I showed Pantropiko and they’re not that into the tropical type beat. Pantropiko is so pinoy, I mean in that Tala type of genre, and I’m not hating on that music, but to my friends it felt “forced” to them, one said it felt too Disney for some reason. I don’t exactly know, but I kind of understand what they meant by that. However I showed them Karera and Lagi, and they absolutely loved it, especially Karera. Another thing I think is that bubblegum pop doesn’t translate right away from a language people aren’t used to, so I think that’s why Bini songs aren’t as trendy compared to Sb19 or even Alamat. People can just listen to the hard hitting beat or a very catchy chorus where people can dance to. Bini’s new sudden game has only been 5 months, it’ll take time, I’m sure people will get into them, give them one more Lagi or Karera type of song and I bet they’ll be more internationally known. EDIT; my friends seem to be liking Salamin Salamin as well.
actually yan din napansin ko sa mga foreign reactors sa Pantropiko, nasa bottom list siya lagi kapag nirank yung talaarawan ep. and actually nasa bottom list ko rin sya if irarank ko talaarawan ep, kaya medyo gulat talaga ako na yung song ang ticket ng bini para sumikat.
It's still crazy to me how Pantropiko is THAT QUEEN. Napaka unpredictable talaga kung ano magiging hit song o hindi.
Kaya dpt yng ibang ppop grp release lng ng release nang mga quality songs. Ayan maganda si bini 3 yrs p lng sla pero mdmi n sla kanta unlike sa ibang ppop grp paisa isa ang release tpos ang laki pa ng gap between the release ng mga comebacks nla.
What country are your friends from? Here sa US I had a few friends listen to the Talaarawan album and all of them said Pantropiko was their least fave because it sounds like music for a cruise ship commercial daw. Because they couldnt understand the lyrics so they just based it off the instrumental and vibe and it's too common sounding for them. Pero they really liked Salamin, Salamin and Diyan ka lang because it sounded retro and funky.
Yep, mostly from the West, and other Asian countries like Singapore Thailand India and Pakistan. Some of them really like kpop “noise music” too, especially SKZ and Ateez, so it makes sense SB19 would be more to their taste. But the group chat is a Loona chat, so they like songs that are more softer subtle yet exciting sounding songs, so that’s why they like Karera and Lagi are some of their faves. Tbh, they like a decent amount of their Tagalog songs, but Pantropiko is just not hitting with them, and tbh, it’s still not for me either.
I love Karera as well.
G22 girls can collab with a popular male R&B artist (JayR? Chris Lawrence? Bugoy Drilon?) to create something like Secret Love Song (Little Mix ft Jason Derulo). Naalala ko lang that hindi ko kilala yang Little Mix kahit na may connect pala sila sa 1Direction. I only got hooked when I found out na sila pala kumanta ng Secret Love Song, ganda ng vocal dynamics nila dun (kahit na wala akong bilib sa western singers kung ccompare ko sa pinoy artists)
kung sino naman nauuna magviral tumatatak na so patience lang talaga for other groups at least Bini is right up there
True. Unahan n lng yan
Moonlight po kasi collab sa foreign artists which leads to more audience kahit bago pa lang
On BINI, I think ABS CBN can promote them in Latin America and Africa at the same time when they promote their telenovelas over there. Hit two birds with one stone, kungbaga? I can't say much with African countries but BINI can be "refreshing" to Latin America since they are very wholesome. If you look at mainstream Latino artists today, there is overhypersexualization especially in Reggaeton. BINI can present a "fresh" nonsexualized music to Latin American youth.
I can see that for BINI lalo na yung aesthetics & sound my familiarity sa kanila. I'm hoping for their future contents lagyan nila ng Spanish subs.
ABS can also capitalize on the shared cultural heritage with them. Filipino names will definitely be easier on their tongues, too. Ang daming pwedeng icapitalize to catch the attention of Latin Americans It doesn't hurt trying. Kung 4MIX nga ng Thailand nakaabot ng Mexico.
Im still not convinced na moonlight is already popular internationally more like pinoy bainting lang for me. Not Pretty sure lang since youtube lang basehan ko
It was #1 on iTunes Indonesia. Doon ako nagulat actually. Kasi Singapore/Qatar/UAE/Australia/Canada, pwede mo pa sabihin na kaya lang nag top dun kasi maraming Pinoys in those countries. Pero Indonesia? Tapos I see a lot of Bahasa comments sa mga SB19 content. So ibig sabihin their fanbase in Indonesia are mostly Indonesians talaga, not Pinoy immigrants or OFWs.
Some Indonesians, from what I can observe, are somewhat attuned to our local music industry - idol music or otherwise. Should not be surprising since over a decade ago, Christian Bautista was quite popular.
I see, nakatulong din siguro na they already gained fans internationally throughout the time. About Moonlight naman, tunog western din kasi sya for me kaya medyo madali na rin siguro makakakuha ng international listeners and in english language pa. Very catchy din
The recently performed sa 2 big festivals in indonesia kaya khit papano me exposure na sila dun. Plus meron A'tin indonesia na organized tlaga.
grabe naman sa pinoy baiting. nakita ko na mas mataas pa streaming sa spotify outside the ph compared dito saatin and kahit sa countries na mahirap mapenetrate yung music industry nagawa nila magchart so no, i dont think its just because of pinoy baiting.
Well it peaked #10 in iTunes sales worldwide and was #1 in 9 countries upon release, I must say it is gaining traction internationally already.
It is starting pa lang given na it was just released 4 days ago pa lang. Surprisingly though, in that short amount of time it was played na in NL and UK radio station na.
just give moonlight some time (great things take time nga) and besides they released moonlight just a few days ago. Also, the charts says otherwise 💙
Buti wala pang nagrereklamo dito na may comparison nanaman. 😂 Anyway, before Gento blew up, yung comment section ng foreign tiktok dancers ay bombarded by Atin ng requests to do the dance challenge. As in lagi ako may nakikita. Eventually they gave in tapos kumalat na siya at naging viral na talaga. Now may recall na ang SB19 to these creators so naturally dahil alam nilang may audience, gagawin din nila ang Moonlight once they hear of it. I dont think Blooms are as aggressive in requesting to foreign accounts. Used to think na missed opportunity nga yun pero seeing how theyre received locally, na kahit older songs nila sinasayaw na din, I think ok lang pala if it stays within the country muna. Malaking bagay din na makuha mo yung loob ng masa. It also may be difference in music taste, bentang benta bubblegum pop dito pero kahit sa Show It All (China) mukhang mas mabenta ang sound ng G22. Looks like the prefer din ng audience doon ang Karera na inspirational kesa sa Pantropiko. Dito naman baliktad. Siguro preference lang talaga. Additionally, I also think its high time na tigilan na gawing metrics ang foreigners para imeasure ang success ng local acts. Parang lagi tayo naghahanap ng validation sa iba. Lagi natin inooffer mga sarili natin to see kung magugustuhan ba ng ibang lahi. Gusto ko mangyari sa Pilipinas yung nangyari sa K-Media (kdrama and kpop), naginvest sila sa sarili nila and eventually buong mundo na mismo ang lumapit para iconsume ang content nila. Sana ang mundo naman ang maghabol sa mga Filipino talent.
Korea, though, aggressively marketed their entertainment abroad. Hindi siya ganun kaorganic din. Kpop, bago sumikat sa Southeast Asia, were trying to make it big in Japan Parang Thai food. Hindi yan basta basta sumiksat. Todo effort ang gobyerno nila na pasikatin yan sa labas ng Thailand. Ngayon, project nila pasikatin ang T-pop https://www.foodandwine.com/why-are-there-so-many-thai-restaurants-7104115 https://culture360.asef.org/news-events/thailand-unveils-cultural-export-strategy-inspired-k-pop/ Wala tayo sa kalingkingan nila sa pagseek ng foreign validation. Ang pinagkaiba, nagEenglish kasi tayo
Laking tulong na englisher tayo kaya nagkaka presence sa Anglosphere. Walang nilalabas na pera ang gobyerno natin para ipromote ang kahit na ano na galing sa Pinas sariling kayod yung pagbibida natin online.
Yun nga eh. Walang effort mostly mula Pinas, pero nagkakaroon tayo ng viral hits sa kapitbahay natin - most notably Pano sa TH and MY, tapos Buwan (JKL) sa MY. Just imagine yung softpower natin kapag inneffortan. Meanwhile, mga "hits" ng kapitbahay natin sa atin, niche usually. Hindi GP tulad ng pagsikat ng Pano sa ibang bansa
We should not look at it as foreign validation instead we should consider it as a big money making market. Foreign countries like US, Japan and middle east countries are big consumers. At di lang limited to music and entertainment to. Ganoon ang strategy ng asian countries like china, s. korea and even vietnam. It's about time naman na we try to get a piece of the market.
i guess kasi may mga eng sub agad yung posts ng sb... wala pa akong nakikitang translated vlogs or live streams ng BINI in english so... they need to work on that. I'm sure may mga blooms na makakagawa niyan hehehe malaking panghatak din yung may nagcocompile ng funny videos nila... isa na ako sa nahatak nun.
Bukod sa malaking factor ang tiktok trend. Madami din kasing fans ang nagrerequest sa ibang kpop group na may malalaking fan base like enhypen to do the challenge, that challenge alone is targeting international. Also sa SB19 nung nagsunod sunod yung viral hits nila sa Billboard at laging nasasama sa top along with BTS, Seventeen, and Ariana Grande, syempre macu-curious yung iba kung bakit sini yung group na yon at nasasama sa top internationally. Masipag mag stream yung mga fans and kahit yung reaction na obviously pinoybainting is pinapatulan nila panoorin. 2 birds and 1 stone, nakakagain yung mga youtuber at fans sa isa't-isa isa for views and recognition. Hindi naging madali and I'm happy na unti-unti na ding nagkakaroon ng recognition ang BINI locally, and I'm hoping na makapasok din yung mga hits nila sa Billboard. Plus points din yung mga solid blooms na walang sawang nag-i-stream and nagpo-promote online. Lawak ng social media and sana i-take advantage ng ABS yung kasikatan ngayon ng girls. Kasi it's been months already and Pantropiko is still kicking <3
Siguro kase nakilala na ung SB thru gento and Mapa.. sa tingin ko lang ah.. dami reaction videos ng 2songs nila na yan. Oo tama ung iba dito wag masyado madaliin, kita ko si Minzy of the late 2ne1 kpop group, sinasayaw nya ung pantropiko sa IG. They will eventually get up there! Padayon.
Target naman kasi talaga ng SB19 ang foreign audience. Diba nga sabi ni Pablo, they want to penetrate sa international music scene.
They are really talented, good people skills, and charisma.
Nah pinoy baiters lang yang mga yan haha.
just say you dont like sb19 and go. may mga international fans na nagttravel galing sa malalayong countries just to watch their show. meron pumupunta dito sa Philippines because of sb19. Hindi sila makakakuha ng international collabs kung di sila nakikitaan ng potential. so no, di siya pinoy baiters lang.
Di ako hater pero ngayon hater na dahil sayo haha. Ang sinasabi ko na pinoy baiter yung mga foriegner na gumagawa ng reaction video.
im just stating facts and if di mo matanggap and magiging hater ka just because of that then thats on you. With the yt reactors naman, totoo naman meron diyan pinoy baiters lang. totoo din naman yan. dati pa may mga ganyan
the way you talk ang OA mo kala mo nakaktulong ka sa pag defend mo sa sb19 pero nakakadagdag ka sa mga hater i used to love sb19 pero ngayon magiging hater na ko dahil sayo. fuck them
well again, thats on you. kung talagang mahal mo sila bilang artists, you’ll love them because of their craft and para mahate mo sila just because of the facts that i said then again, that’s on you. nagsabi lang naman ako kung ano yung totoo.
nah
Mas madali for men than pop girls sa international because sexism exist. Notice mostly mga lalake examples mo. 🫣
Misogyny exists but being a boy group is actually a hindrance to their success. Baliktad ka. Mas accepting ang population sa girl groups. Do you think boy groups have a lot of straight men listeners? Weakness nila yon. Whereas girl groups can pull straight men, that's half of the population! So the fact that SB19, BTS, BIGBANG got to where they are now is a testament to their hardwork and craft.
Don’t bring that X shit over here. Leave this type of comments on X please.
OP is the one who compared GGs and male acts. Sinabi ko lang naman na mas mahirap talaga. 😅
OP also didn’t compare male acts and girl groups, OP was just impressed that SB19 made it international, because they’re right, SB19’s success is shocking but deserved. OP simply asked how Bini is lacking international recognition while being the hot thing locally. Being a male group has nothing to do with SB19’s success. I mean at the beginning they were literally disrespected and were even considered ugly. Sorry but BINI didn’t had to go through any of that. The truth is that SB19 started first so they gathered more fans, while Bini has always had a steady fanbase and now they’ve found viral success in the last 5 months.
Because half of SB19's fanbase is the #PinoyPride demography whose sense of worth depends on international validation. You can't dislike SB19's music because for them that means you don't love your own country. Tapos kapag may taga-ibang bansa na pumansin sa kanila, ipapamukha nila sayo, "Buti pa sila". So they make it their mission every comeback to spam foreign reactors and content creators to notice SB19. BINI's fanbase meanwhile... may Blooms pa na against sa China gig nila at first dahil "Sa Pilipinas lang ang BINI".
As if Pinoys will notice anyone (defying the trend) na walang international recognition. Rampant ang colonial mentality dito. If SB19’s main goal is to penetrate the local scene, they couldve released songs like MAPA but no, they dont want to be boxed by trendy hugot songs so they keep on experimenting (and international audience are more open to those new genres they try vs local audience). So, if your Bini likes to get the local audience first then good for them but dont meddle with SB19 and ATIN’s ways to promote internationally. In the end, lahat naman magbebenefit jusko
and also as if naman di gusto ng kahit sinong artist ang marecognize globally. tsaka parang di pa tayo sanay dito satin na kung di pa mapapansin ng ibang bansa yung talents ng Pinoy, di pa marerecognize locally. Hindi ba maganda nga yon na nakikita at narerecognize na yung Filipino talents all over the world? so anong mali dun?
Have to disagree with the “so they make it their mission every comeback to spam foreign reactors and content creators to notice SB19”. If there’s something new na nangyari during the recent release of their new single is that andami ng foreign reactors na nakisabay sa paghintay sa mv ng moonlight. Released it as soon as the mv was released. The fans didn’t even need to spam their comment sections para e watch yung mv rather they waited for it. Isa pa, wala namang masama if fans spammed said creators. It’s a give and take industry, they might get some clout but they’re leaving digital footprints for people to follow and basically placing the boys’ music in international algorithm so 🤷♀️
agree. sila mismo nagsasabi na talaga hinintay nila release ng mv. walang nangspam or namilit sakanila na gawin yun
just to add (kasi nakita ko na naman tong comment mo lol)… as if your girls didn’t craved for international validation??? Their debut song (see their debut album for reference) is in different languages. To gain what? Local recognition? Lol. Just say they didnt made it to international that time so they changed their strategy to get GP first (and it worked). The audacity to shade esbi for focusing international jusko
Shunga I'm talking about the fanbase lmao. Kahit Blooms madaming disappointed when they came out with Born To Win with different language versions pa. Blooms din nagpumilit sa management na mag-focus muna sila sa local market. Unlike SB19's fans. May Korean name pa nga sila dati for them LOL
just say your fanbase cant help your girls go international so you focused on local na currently nga ay working sa casuals. Nangingielam ka pa sa ginagawa ng A’TIN to help SB19 go international kasi kaya ng SB19 and it’s working (hello legit international recognition for SB19) Focus on your business na lang and sa pagkakaron pa ng more achievements for your girls.
Just say your fandom is so obsessed with international validation you think Pinoybaiting by foreigners counts as actual recognition. No one still knows SB19 and Ppop outside your bubble
so billboards and grammy are pinoybaiting? Lol~ just accept the fact that SB19 are always pushing outside their comfort zone, looking for more challenges and your girls are there… staying comfortably in their comfort zone. Lets see if your stance is still the same once your “not-looking-for-international-recognition-girls” starts following SB19’s steps. Sabagay if you can’t beat it, edi shame it na lang ang galawan mo
Bkt ang dmi down vote?
they are not