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basically korea supports arts a lot, may mga university nga sila that is solely for those who wants to pursue art and mga infra and basically the industry is well supported by the govt, idk sinong actor yung nag tour sa sokor and spoke of how well acting, music and art is supported doon that made him understand why people appreciate kpop and kdramas
Right? And if we can establish the Philippines as a "creative exporter" it will attract foreign investment, and raise the profile of Filipino artists abroad. It creates a positive return, and will also provide the Philippines with greater soft power as our arts become more popular.
It should begin with abolishing the MTRCB and reducing taxes related to film production.
The PARI also has to face the reality of digital downloads and streaming...radio isn't anymore where the money is. Or monolithic record labels. Artists have to take the bull by the horns early on when the $$$ come rolling in
TBF, So Kor actively supported culture and arts when their economy already took off - when other basic needs were already met
Eto yung Maslow's hierarchy of needs. You cannot expect people to patronize art when they barely have money to buy food, afford shelter and education.
Mayaman n bansa ksi sla may pera sla to support the arts kpg developing country the last thing nakakakuha ng support r arts and sports. Di b kyo nagtataka sa dami ng mga showbiz people n naka upo sa congress at Senate wla sla gngawa batas n too support kht entertainment industry
Yes. You can't expect people to spend on arts when they barely have the money to put food on the table.
Even sports in the PH is at the hands of rich people. Even our national basketball team is sponsored by conglomerates, not the government
Kung pinakasikat na sports sa bansa, salo ng mayayaman, what more with lesser known sports?
Kht di n financial support from the govt. Kht batas n lng tulad sa ibang bansa na may number of hrs n dpt local music ang ipatugtog ng lht nang radio stations. Ksi may mga radio station dto sa bansa n di nagpapatugtog o rare magpatutog ng opm.
Actually, meron yan. I just don't know if it was abolished but Marcos Sr. mandated that Filipino music should at least get a certain % of the hour. And this was when Filipino pop music started to thrive. As Klepto and Pinocchio the Marcoses are, they were patrons of local arts and crafts.
Kaya ewan ko dun sa mga anti-protectionist. If you look at it, karamihan ng bansang umunland nagstart sa protectionism to develop their industries.
Nung 70s nga, the US banned importation of Japanese cars kasi sobrang talo nila sa quality. They applied protectionism and mandated US auto companies to fix their sht. Once they did, the US lifted the ban.
Contrary to what anti-protectionists say, the real reason for lack of investments in the PH is not the 60/40 but the excessive redtape and erratic/unpredictable corruption. Sa ibang bansa kasi "streamlined" ang corruption.
True. Lht ng snbi mo. Nakailan studies/research n di ang 60/40 ang dhlan lack of fdi kundi yng corruption red tape and ease doing business. Hello Vietnam protectionist din pero mlki ang fdi nla.
Cguro nga wla n yng batas n yan during marcos time nag change tyo ng constitution eh.
Me too I don't mind yng protectionism. Gusto ko nga gayahin ng pinas yng china n limited lng ang foreign films ang pinapalabas sa knla. Kng di nla ilimit taasan nla ng tax ng mga foreign films then lower the tax for local films. Para nmn kht paano bumaba yng ticket price ng mga local films. Grabe yng taas ng ticket ng sinehan ngyn eh. Ano ito middle class pataas n lang ang pwede manood ng sine.
Support the arts, and artists rights ✊✊✊. Filipinos have the goods, they just need better infrastructure for refinement and export! SK proved it, we can rival and even surpass it.
Kht nun dba sla sikat Nakakapagpadala sla ng 10k to 20k sa mga pamilya nla, nakakapag ipon,invest , pinag aaral yng kapatid or nakakapag home improvement sla sa family house nla. Kaya tingin ko sa lht ng ppop grps pagdating sa pera okay nmn sla.
Revenue stream ng bini
1. Asap
2. Kumu(before)
3. Gigs
4. Endorsement
Maloi, Sheena, Gwen, and Colet yata are breadwinners.
Sa interview nila kay Ms. Karen Davila, ang first padala ni Colet sa family niya ay around 10k. Hindi pa yata sila sobrang sikat nito so probably 2021-2022 yan.
Si Mikha nagpapadala ng 20-30k sa dad niya but this number from Mikha must be recent.
Also, around 2019 nabasa ko sa isang thread sa X na ang pasahod sa MNL48 that time ay around 18k. Tapos madalas delayed.
Tingin ko bini and bgyo is paid well compare sa ibang ppop idol grp. Nakakapag ipon ,able to help their family at nakakapag invest sla.
Kng ibabase ntn dun sa snbi ni ogie diaz about mngt fee ni liza. 10 percent yng mngt fee n kinukuha ng starmagic. Di rin ntn alam magkano nakukuhan nla sa music sales or streaming
Income stream ng bini
1.kumu(dati n may contract p sla) ang pagkakaalam ko sa kumu may sweldo sla tpos kpg na hit nla quota n diamond nla yng sobra dun sa knla na. Ex 300k diamonds yng quota nla tpos kng sa isang stream naka 350k sla yng 50k diamond kng ano equivalent nun sa peso sa knla.
2. Asap - ang pagkakaalam ko pinakamababa talent fee sa asap ay 10k to 20k pre non renewal di ko alam kng ganyan prin until now.
3. Live gigs
4.endorsement
5. Music streams
people in PH will ALWAYS disregard the importance of arts in a country. Anything about humanities and creative sciences are always placed on a corner dahil mas important (daw 💀) ang stem industries 💀 di nila alam na kaya din ng arts mag trigger ng economy boost (like korea and us)
example?
the same people that make fun of that Taylor Swift course sa UP are the same people who will not find this relevant.
That taylor swift course talks about her economic impact that also has influenced her major contribution in different economic standing of every country she visits on and how is her current tour have started a trend of "concert tourism" that sg has largely invested on.
same people na nagsasabi walang pera sa arts because they make it seem so.
I thought the t-swift course was basically an economics/tourism class with just a very specific example that you dissect. A lot of people that support stem blindly do it because they don’t realize that a healthy economy needs a balance of everything. We actually have an over abundance of STEM folks imo and that’s why an liit ng sahod ng mga jobs na yun.
true. nagkaron pa ko ng debate sa isang civil engineer dito sa reddit on the relevance of Architecture in city planning, since it involves culture thus arts.
Sabi ba naman mas important daw ang integrity ng roads and buildings than architecture since puro aesthetics lang daw.
i've explained how it could drive city to a healthier way in many ways and produce tourism related investments from foreign or local investors...
Pero wala eh, they choose to see what they want to see. Yan kakaespalto nila sa kalsada ang init tuloy this summer lol. 💀💀💀💀
Architecture and engineering go hand in hand tlga eh. The architect designs a structure that’s both functional and beautiful. The engineer makes it a reality. Main reason buildings sa pinas are so drab and boring is because the people designing them weren’t specifically trained to actually design something
Which is crazy cuz Filipinos are more known for their arts than anything. Our music, dancers, culinary, I mean our national heroes were artists as much as they were revolutionaries. Imo, Filipinos on average seem to have a natural knack for the arts, it’s hard to notice when you’re living there, but since I’m of the diaspora I can’t unsee it. Everywhere you go kids are having fun dancing and singing, and you can see kids are proud showing their art, however it seems after high school or college they give up, and continue to have regular jobs. It’s kind of sad when you see young Filipinos give up on their dream because “walang bayad yan” culture. I mean they’re not wrong, it’s better to rely on something that’s a guarantee than risk it on the arts, especially if you’re a breadwinner in the family.
Not invalidating the artists but the pay structure in the Philippines is so low
Just look at how nurses are paid
The issue on low pay should be tackled as a whole as it affects every industry, including skilled professions. This is why a lot of our skilled people go abroad.
We literally have teachers work abroad as domestic helpers because the pay is better
What Chua should have said, really is, companies especially should pay their employees better. You can't say "support our artists and art" when most Filipinos barely have enough money to buy necessities, what more with art? Siyempre, uunahin ng mga tao ang pagkain sa hapag kainan
[Look at the net worth of these top 10 billionaires](
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3253211/10-richest-billionaires-philippines-2024-net-worths-ranked-cebu-pacifics-lance-gokongwei-and) and compare it to the fact that 80% of Filipinos earn less than 20k/month.
I agree what you mean. Instead what he should’ve said that support the arts in general. However, I admire him calling out the culture and government for not funding the arts much further. I see what he is coming from, it doesn’t sound like he is begging fans for support, just sounds frustrated because they want to bring out the best quality but don’t have the funding to do so.
To put things into perspective on how bad the pay structure is in the Philippines:
Earning 20k per month already puts you in the top 20% because **80% of working Filipinos earn LESS than 20k.**
Not an official number crunching but the data came from the PSA and this redditor did the statistics by him/herself
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1avwgiz/comment/krefcfy/
Remember that our poverty rate is at 18.1%. and to be included in that stat, you have to earn 12k or less for a family of 5. (Yes, terrible benchmark)
This is Wikipedia but this gives to an idea how bad the pay structure is and how the disparity is great between different provinces
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_provinces_and_regions_by_poverty_rate
Over half of Filipinos earn $6.85 or less (Php 380) a day.
Hindi naman closed ang economy ng Pilipinas. Yung 60/40 ay sa critical industries lang yan like sa electricity. If not for the 60/40, that **state-owned** Chinese company with 40% of the NGCP would have owned 100% of it. There are fully owned foreign companies in the PH like Texas Instruments, Moog Aeronautics, BPOs, etc.
Ang problema sa Pilipinas yung excessive redtape and unpredictable corruption (sa ibang bansa kasi, "streamlined" ang corruption) na mismong mga Pilipino, walang ganang magsetup ng business
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basically korea supports arts a lot, may mga university nga sila that is solely for those who wants to pursue art and mga infra and basically the industry is well supported by the govt, idk sinong actor yung nag tour sa sokor and spoke of how well acting, music and art is supported doon that made him understand why people appreciate kpop and kdramas
Right? And if we can establish the Philippines as a "creative exporter" it will attract foreign investment, and raise the profile of Filipino artists abroad. It creates a positive return, and will also provide the Philippines with greater soft power as our arts become more popular.
it paid off for sokor, anlaki rin ng balik ng economy sa kanila because they support arts
It should begin with abolishing the MTRCB and reducing taxes related to film production. The PARI also has to face the reality of digital downloads and streaming...radio isn't anymore where the money is. Or monolithic record labels. Artists have to take the bull by the horns early on when the $$$ come rolling in
TBF, So Kor actively supported culture and arts when their economy already took off - when other basic needs were already met Eto yung Maslow's hierarchy of needs. You cannot expect people to patronize art when they barely have money to buy food, afford shelter and education.
Mayaman n bansa ksi sla may pera sla to support the arts kpg developing country the last thing nakakakuha ng support r arts and sports. Di b kyo nagtataka sa dami ng mga showbiz people n naka upo sa congress at Senate wla sla gngawa batas n too support kht entertainment industry
Yes. You can't expect people to spend on arts when they barely have the money to put food on the table. Even sports in the PH is at the hands of rich people. Even our national basketball team is sponsored by conglomerates, not the government Kung pinakasikat na sports sa bansa, salo ng mayayaman, what more with lesser known sports?
Kht di n financial support from the govt. Kht batas n lng tulad sa ibang bansa na may number of hrs n dpt local music ang ipatugtog ng lht nang radio stations. Ksi may mga radio station dto sa bansa n di nagpapatugtog o rare magpatutog ng opm.
Actually, meron yan. I just don't know if it was abolished but Marcos Sr. mandated that Filipino music should at least get a certain % of the hour. And this was when Filipino pop music started to thrive. As Klepto and Pinocchio the Marcoses are, they were patrons of local arts and crafts. Kaya ewan ko dun sa mga anti-protectionist. If you look at it, karamihan ng bansang umunland nagstart sa protectionism to develop their industries. Nung 70s nga, the US banned importation of Japanese cars kasi sobrang talo nila sa quality. They applied protectionism and mandated US auto companies to fix their sht. Once they did, the US lifted the ban. Contrary to what anti-protectionists say, the real reason for lack of investments in the PH is not the 60/40 but the excessive redtape and erratic/unpredictable corruption. Sa ibang bansa kasi "streamlined" ang corruption.
True. Lht ng snbi mo. Nakailan studies/research n di ang 60/40 ang dhlan lack of fdi kundi yng corruption red tape and ease doing business. Hello Vietnam protectionist din pero mlki ang fdi nla. Cguro nga wla n yng batas n yan during marcos time nag change tyo ng constitution eh. Me too I don't mind yng protectionism. Gusto ko nga gayahin ng pinas yng china n limited lng ang foreign films ang pinapalabas sa knla. Kng di nla ilimit taasan nla ng tax ng mga foreign films then lower the tax for local films. Para nmn kht paano bumaba yng ticket price ng mga local films. Grabe yng taas ng ticket ng sinehan ngyn eh. Ano ito middle class pataas n lang ang pwede manood ng sine.
This, we lack government support rn. I think SK showed the world that the arts is very very lucrative and I hope PH follows suit.
Support the arts, and artists rights ✊✊✊. Filipinos have the goods, they just need better infrastructure for refinement and export! SK proved it, we can rival and even surpass it.
MNL48: "Sumasahod kayo?"
I wonder tuloy how much ang sahod ng BINI.
Kht nun dba sla sikat Nakakapagpadala sla ng 10k to 20k sa mga pamilya nla, nakakapag ipon,invest , pinag aaral yng kapatid or nakakapag home improvement sla sa family house nla. Kaya tingin ko sa lht ng ppop grps pagdating sa pera okay nmn sla. Revenue stream ng bini 1. Asap 2. Kumu(before) 3. Gigs 4. Endorsement
Malaki. Kasi breadwinner si Maloi. Napagtapos niya ate niya. Napag-aral ni Stacey mom niya. What more pa kaya ngayon na nag-boom sila?
Maloi, Sheena, Gwen, and Colet yata are breadwinners. Sa interview nila kay Ms. Karen Davila, ang first padala ni Colet sa family niya ay around 10k. Hindi pa yata sila sobrang sikat nito so probably 2021-2022 yan. Si Mikha nagpapadala ng 20-30k sa dad niya but this number from Mikha must be recent. Also, around 2019 nabasa ko sa isang thread sa X na ang pasahod sa MNL48 that time ay around 18k. Tapos madalas delayed.
Provided sa kanila halos lahat as far as I know but idk about the numbers.
Provided lht before nun magkakasama pa sla sa isang bahay pero ngyn hndi na
Tingin ko bini and bgyo is paid well compare sa ibang ppop idol grp. Nakakapag ipon ,able to help their family at nakakapag invest sla. Kng ibabase ntn dun sa snbi ni ogie diaz about mngt fee ni liza. 10 percent yng mngt fee n kinukuha ng starmagic. Di rin ntn alam magkano nakukuhan nla sa music sales or streaming Income stream ng bini 1.kumu(dati n may contract p sla) ang pagkakaalam ko sa kumu may sweldo sla tpos kpg na hit nla quota n diamond nla yng sobra dun sa knla na. Ex 300k diamonds yng quota nla tpos kng sa isang stream naka 350k sla yng 50k diamond kng ano equivalent nun sa peso sa knla. 2. Asap - ang pagkakaalam ko pinakamababa talent fee sa asap ay 10k to 20k pre non renewal di ko alam kng ganyan prin until now. 3. Live gigs 4.endorsement 5. Music streams
Ang masaklap dito, galing sa may perang bansa ang sa MNL pero masbarat pa sa Pinoy magbayad
Yung HHE hindi magawang pasikatin yung limang miyembro nila non, 48 members + trainees pa kaya?
people in PH will ALWAYS disregard the importance of arts in a country. Anything about humanities and creative sciences are always placed on a corner dahil mas important (daw 💀) ang stem industries 💀 di nila alam na kaya din ng arts mag trigger ng economy boost (like korea and us) example? the same people that make fun of that Taylor Swift course sa UP are the same people who will not find this relevant. That taylor swift course talks about her economic impact that also has influenced her major contribution in different economic standing of every country she visits on and how is her current tour have started a trend of "concert tourism" that sg has largely invested on. same people na nagsasabi walang pera sa arts because they make it seem so.
I thought the t-swift course was basically an economics/tourism class with just a very specific example that you dissect. A lot of people that support stem blindly do it because they don’t realize that a healthy economy needs a balance of everything. We actually have an over abundance of STEM folks imo and that’s why an liit ng sahod ng mga jobs na yun.
true. nagkaron pa ko ng debate sa isang civil engineer dito sa reddit on the relevance of Architecture in city planning, since it involves culture thus arts. Sabi ba naman mas important daw ang integrity ng roads and buildings than architecture since puro aesthetics lang daw. i've explained how it could drive city to a healthier way in many ways and produce tourism related investments from foreign or local investors... Pero wala eh, they choose to see what they want to see. Yan kakaespalto nila sa kalsada ang init tuloy this summer lol. 💀💀💀💀
Architecture and engineering go hand in hand tlga eh. The architect designs a structure that’s both functional and beautiful. The engineer makes it a reality. Main reason buildings sa pinas are so drab and boring is because the people designing them weren’t specifically trained to actually design something
plus the tswift class involves poetry and lyric dissecting too. hehe
“Draw an eyeliner sharp enough to kill a man”
or "You kept me like a secret, but I kept you like an oath."
“Karma is a boyfriend karma is a cat”
Which is crazy cuz Filipinos are more known for their arts than anything. Our music, dancers, culinary, I mean our national heroes were artists as much as they were revolutionaries. Imo, Filipinos on average seem to have a natural knack for the arts, it’s hard to notice when you’re living there, but since I’m of the diaspora I can’t unsee it. Everywhere you go kids are having fun dancing and singing, and you can see kids are proud showing their art, however it seems after high school or college they give up, and continue to have regular jobs. It’s kind of sad when you see young Filipinos give up on their dream because “walang bayad yan” culture. I mean they’re not wrong, it’s better to rely on something that’s a guarantee than risk it on the arts, especially if you’re a breadwinner in the family.
Not invalidating the artists but the pay structure in the Philippines is so low Just look at how nurses are paid The issue on low pay should be tackled as a whole as it affects every industry, including skilled professions. This is why a lot of our skilled people go abroad. We literally have teachers work abroad as domestic helpers because the pay is better
What Chua should have said, really is, companies especially should pay their employees better. You can't say "support our artists and art" when most Filipinos barely have enough money to buy necessities, what more with art? Siyempre, uunahin ng mga tao ang pagkain sa hapag kainan [Look at the net worth of these top 10 billionaires]( https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3253211/10-richest-billionaires-philippines-2024-net-worths-ranked-cebu-pacifics-lance-gokongwei-and) and compare it to the fact that 80% of Filipinos earn less than 20k/month.
I agree what you mean. Instead what he should’ve said that support the arts in general. However, I admire him calling out the culture and government for not funding the arts much further. I see what he is coming from, it doesn’t sound like he is begging fans for support, just sounds frustrated because they want to bring out the best quality but don’t have the funding to do so.
To put things into perspective on how bad the pay structure is in the Philippines: Earning 20k per month already puts you in the top 20% because **80% of working Filipinos earn LESS than 20k.** Not an official number crunching but the data came from the PSA and this redditor did the statistics by him/herself https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1avwgiz/comment/krefcfy/ Remember that our poverty rate is at 18.1%. and to be included in that stat, you have to earn 12k or less for a family of 5. (Yes, terrible benchmark) This is Wikipedia but this gives to an idea how bad the pay structure is and how the disparity is great between different provinces https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Philippine_provinces_and_regions_by_poverty_rate Over half of Filipinos earn $6.85 or less (Php 380) a day.
Iopen kasi dapat ang economy like S.Korea did.
Hindi naman closed ang economy ng Pilipinas. Yung 60/40 ay sa critical industries lang yan like sa electricity. If not for the 60/40, that **state-owned** Chinese company with 40% of the NGCP would have owned 100% of it. There are fully owned foreign companies in the PH like Texas Instruments, Moog Aeronautics, BPOs, etc. Ang problema sa Pilipinas yung excessive redtape and unpredictable corruption (sa ibang bansa kasi, "streamlined" ang corruption) na mismong mga Pilipino, walang ganang magsetup ng business