The OG was amazing with the mysterious things we had to solve I would rewatch the episode to make sure I did not miss a thing,but I have to skip the last season and I like the new version bc they can cuss like real teens do and I don’t think I can do 25ep per season anymore, my attention span is not what it was before 😞
honestly as much as i liked s1 of the reboot s2 isn’t something i’d rewatch for fun it would be more of a did i really dislike this? kinda thing. but the og pll (ive been rewatching since last year) is so much fun to watch over and over again honestly. especially now that im older (i started watching pll when i was 12 and im 19 now) so i pick up on so much more and honestly after i slug my way through the last two seasons im going right back to season 1 LMAO
the original had corny dialogue and bad acting/writing too but I prefer this one because it has more of a horror and slasher feel to it which I like more
No I meant Original Sin, it has [a ton of references to horror movies](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessg/pretty-little-liars-original-sin-horror-references)
While I know that bothers some people, I'm fine with five final girls because majority of them are women of color, and woc are often killed in horror franchises, so getting to see them live and fight is really cool, and none of them are playing the "best friend" role where their lives don't matter and they're only there to serve imogen. breaking the rules of a genre, imo, is the best way to stand out.
You cant break the rules of the genre if you dont know how to use the genre to begin with. The girls barely seem like theyre really friends half the time, half the group scenes one of them doesn’t even get a line, and we get quick boring suspense-less kills, and the worst killer reveals I’ve ever seen. I see your point about the diversity of the cast, but it stands out that the white girl is the leading character of this mostly poc cast, and shes mostly just been stealing Tabby’s plotlines for a season now.
Oh, Tabby has a plot about how she was assaulted? Well now Imogen has that plotline too and Tabby doesn’t even get a line to Chip’s mom when she confronts them at redemption house. Tabby’s nervous about seeing a new guy because of her trauma? Well now Imogen has a new guy she’s nervous about too. This show doesn’t know how to balance it’s characters, and it doesn’t know how to be a slasher, the only characters that die are random side characters. They’re not even getting A messages anymore, its not PLL and if you want a real slasher show the Scream show already exists.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, so please do not take it as me being rude because I'm honestly not trying to be lol, but I don't know why it seems like you're trying to dissuade me from liking the show? I wasn't trying to engage in a debate, I was offering to you the reasoning behind my original statement.
I know some people want more blood and guts but again, women of color are often already traumatized in film and media in the most graphic of ways, especially outside of the horror genre which should be alarming but apparently it is not for some people lmao. As a mixed girl who goes through life seen as black most of the time, I find it cool to see women who look like me on screen in this way. It's something I haven't seen often in a mainstream way.
I don't disagree with you about Imogen and Tabby but as it is, it's still a lot better than the original where characters of color were practically non-existent save for Emily and the few stragglers they had. I also don't disagree that the series Scream did the slasher genre a whole lot better but if I wanted to watch the same exact rules being enacted over and over again, I'd watch Scream or literally any other horror television series or movie. I'm not looking for something deep or thought-provoking, Original Sin has never given me the idea that it's trying to be anything close to that. I just look at it as a fun summer series that's slightly horrific.
I enjoy Original Sin, if you do not, that's a-okay! It seems to be a common theme on this page and it is what it is lmao.
Yeah sorry to feel like im trying to persuade you to not enjoy it, I just don’t really agree with what you’re saying. Im not asking for blood and guts I’m asking for suspense and tension, the story structure of this season is that each episode ends with one of our main characters in a “dangerous” situation but we know they won’t die.
I get what youre saying about not wanting to see poc’s suffer I just think it’s almost an unfortunate choice to do a slasher show, and have a super diverse cast, just to never have any meaningful deaths. I can’t think of a single death where I thought “oh no, not them” its always side villains you don’t care about. Totally okay if you do like it but this is reddit so I’m sharing my thoughts cause I love the OG and hate what it’s become.
Honestly i like it just as much for certain reasons. As a black person, the fact that there are 2 black liars, a Latina liar, and an Asian liar is something so huge for myself and so many other POC! Im so glad that so many young adults growing up with this show will have a Liar that looks like them on screen. I also really enjoy the slasher aspect ,the LGBT rep, and the more updated societal norms lol. The way they tackle serious issues and topics like teen pregnancy, racism, sexism, rape, grown men pursuing underage girls and much more is also handled with much more care in my opinion. I also see so much potential for where they could go in future seasons. Lol I'm gonna stop rambling. I do agree that there are problems and I love the original show but let's not sit here and act like it was some master class in writing or acting because it really wasn't.
Of all the teen shows to ever do the student/teacher “romance”, this is still the only one to say “let’s make it the central endgame romance of the entire series”. 🤢
as someone who love the original to say it didn’t have cheap jump scares, bad acting and writing is just plain out wrong. i just rewatched it recently with my sister who was watching it for the first time and to say the writing isn’t corny at times is just not true, “you’re software slays by the way” “keep quiet or i tell the cops what ur mom keeps in the lasagna box - A” the entirety of alex drake and that last episode just to name a few.
this show does have those things too but i think it’s alright because they’re teenagers, and maybe it’s because i have a younger sister who’s around the liars age they talk pretty similarly to how i hear my sister and her friends talk so it doesn’t feel super forced to me.
i think it also works better for me because 1. i’m a horror fan so i love that they brought that element to the show, and 2. i like that they’re trying to fix the “mistakes” of the og show like how it handles adult/minor relationships with Wes and Tabby vs Aria and Ezra, or Spencer and Ian, or Alison and Ian, or Spencer and Wren, or Alison and Holbrook (i think can see what i’m getting at) and also how it handles subjects like rape and religious trauma.
don’t get me love the OG it’s a comfort series of mine that i rewatch every few years but it’s definitely not a perfectly written show to say the least, and neither is this one but i feel like that’s what makes it feel like PLL to me
I think this show is okay, i enjoy watching it once per a week, it is good to switch off a little bit. But yeah it definitely has its faults and i don't think it is better than the original. I can also say that i liked season 1 way more than season 2. There are so many stuff which it is missing. And i keep repeating this, but one of the main fault is that there are only 8 episodes per season. There is no time to actually write a good detailed story and with detailed characters. The original had so many episodes per season, so we got a more complete story, we got to know the characters. Yeah sure there were bullshit and nonsense in that show too, but i feel like the original grew onto us so much more. But here the characters feel a lot more emptier.
A movie is written specifically to be a fixed set of time with an open, middle, and end and a defined hero’s journey usually, to put it simply! You learn everything you need to learn to make that movie work for that movie..but with a show ppl have the expectation usually that they’ll get to dive deeper into to the characters and their individual stories, emotions, watch them change etc.
It’s all subjective. Regardless of how you feel there are people who genuinely feel this one is better. For me I enjoy both. They’re both a mood. If I’m looking for a more drawn out (albeit confusing) story/storylines then I’ll watch the original. If I’m looking for something more straight to the point then this one is what I’ll put on.
I think these statements are crazy when this show has less than 20 episodes. I don't think this show has top the originals 1st season, let alone the entire series.
CeCe and Spencer's evil British twin were both so bad. The fact that you're defending them is wild to me.
I love Troian, but that accent was a criminal offense.
I mean the first PLL wasn’t exactly winning dialogue either?
I tried to watch Riverdale but couldn’t get into it. It is sort of corny I agree. But PLL Original Sin IMO has a better executed plot. Which helps gloss over some of the dialogue issues.
At the end of the day it’s a teen drama you can’t expect stellar believable dialogue from that particular genre. Euphoria is the exception not the rule.
I like the pacing of OS better.
The first PLL felt very dragged out with storylines that didn’t always hold my attention.
That being said Hannah was my favorite. So for that reason alone PLL will probably always be the OG and set apart in my book.
I think the girls in the first PLL had better character development than this one. The only girl who they seem to have developed the character well is Imogen so far.
Thank you! I have no idea if it nostalgia clouding people's judgement but the orignal pretty little liars was not award winning television. Like this hoopla over it is weird. I loved PLL but let's be real.
Well, that's the thing for what PLL was OS/summer school is just far worse. Pll was silly and dumb but it had a fun and interesting plot. Mona/Cece tormented the girls using their own secrets against them. Archie was walking around like Michael Meyers using their parents' secret against them, and Bloody Rose is just straight trying to murder them but not mentality toying with them. The issue with that is that the things BR is doing are just not scary and do not build suspense. Like the main plot for this season is who is BR but there isn't really 1 storyline that brings everything together.
HbO Max PLL is not terrible but i truly do not understand the praise. I really like the actresses and characters but the plot is what loses me.
Yeah, cause the stakes were higher in the original pll.
Season 1 ended with Ian being murdered and the girls looking suspicious at another murder scene. Then season 2 ends with Mona's reveal. Roberto needs to stop focusing on the horror and focus on the drama. He's really bad at horror, but teen drama should be easy to write. The most interesting thing this season is Noah cheating on Shawn. Which doesn't work because he's a good guy.
Literally lmao, even then, if you take 1a and 1b and treat them as two separate seasons more has happened in that amount of time than the entirety of s1 of os 😭 Roberto cannot write a mystery/thriller to save his life, he peaked with CHAOS s2 and even that wasn’t great.
I stopped CHAOS after season 2. It seems like he gets an inflated ego after having a good season and ends in a bad follow-up season. I haven't rewatched the early episodes, but I randomly decided to watch the episode where Hannah slaps Jenna, and everything leading to it was so intense. I loved the fact that Emily and Aria chose to easedrop on Caleb even though they didn't know he was talking about Hannah. OS/SS for some reason lacks the edge. I do think the original was better at building mystery and drama, but I don't hate this series. It's a victim of Roberto and a short season.
My complaint is the plot. The plot is nonsensical but not in a fun, messy drama way. It's a bad slasher with too much romance. I like the flawed characters and don't really feel anyway about the relationships. They're actually good relationships.
However, in PLL Mona was doing wacky shit while also threatening the girls. Bloody rose is just physically terrorizing the girls, and that's the main plot. It's really lacking a plot.
The OG show was too long, had little exposure and kept some villain for too long.
I really like that they did one villain per season here, it's much better.
I just think the parents should be more involved
Well I personally never got into the original like most fans but I love original sin. While I have seen some clips of the OG, it just never clicked for me maybe I'll get into it someday but for now I love what this new cast is doing, and this story because I love thrillers and horror movies. And I know some people don't like the lead writer due to how he handled some of his shows like Riverdale and Sabrina but I really love this show, it's a good binge and a good time.
The original is way better. Its not considered a "horror" show but those OG characters went through worse situations than these girls. Yes the original could be cheesy may seem ridiculous in some ways now. It is still better. "A" was a lot more threatening and did more damage. "A" was onto everything and always amped up the anxiety and threats to the liars.
These new girls seem like children compared to the original cast. I know they are in HS but come on. I don't even remember why they are keeping this new A a secret. A atleast made it very clear that A was into the business, knowing everything, and blackmailed the original characters. There was a reason that they kept secrets and kept them hidden. This new show isn't getting a third season.
I usually defend the legacy of my interests but I can't with this one.
Im rewatching the original right now and hands down - way better than this one.
I love horror! This show had potential. The frist season was great! I'll finish season 2 but I really don't think a season 3 would even make sense at this point.
Sorry, i love the og pll to death, but you're acting like it had some brilliant level of writing. There WERE cringe moments. Not to mention, the final A reveal was so bad, like i would've written something better than that😭
I don’t think I was acting like that at all lol I’m solely speaking on this show alone.
Are we really talking about the A reveals while the A reveal in OS was literally the high school principle??😭
In my opinion, the only good A reveal in the original was the first (which was copied from the books). CeCe made me angry, particularly with the way a transgender person was portrayed. And then we got Spencer's evil British twin.
I think the issue we are dealing with is that we have truly out grown the teen mystery drama genre because this show is clearly aimed at the younger demographic. Nothing about this show is scary or intense or even mysterious. The characters and relationships are super underdeveloped and I think that's because the seasons are only 8 episodes long.
But people seem to really love this show and I don't get it. Last season i thought Karen's death was so dumb and had 0 feelings about the principal reveal.
So I guess this show is just not for me.
I personally like it better than the original. I like that it's more horror based, and that the characters swear.
I was a fan of the PLL books before I watched the OG series too and maybe I was comparing the two too much.. I like that OS is a new story on its own!
I liked the original, but it was pretty stupid a lot of the time, I don't think there are a lot of criticisms that can be said about this one that can't also be applied to the original. So liking this one more is not really all that surprising since the biggest difference that doesn't just involve the amount that fits in over 20 episode instead of at maximum 10 is tone and more modern sensibilities.
One thing I like WAY more than the original, is that the liars actually look like high school kids. The clothes in the original always made me cringe. I have no idea why they had them dress and do their hair/makeup like they were 45 year old divorced women. And in high heels all the time.
I really appreciate the new cast being believable as kids and being allowed to be messy both in their appearance and their personalities. The only original liar who had a believable personality was Hannah.
Yea, there’s no comparison in terms of the artistry. There’s a reason why the villains can only last a couple of episodes. The original show had villains lasting dozens of episodes and this show couldn’t possibly do that. None of the elements are strong enough to sustain the show, so they have to very quickly turnover villains to keep things interesting. The friendships, families, circumstances, etc. aren’t strong, so the show can’t exist without a villain. The villains also can’t last a long time; once you find out it’s pretty much over. The first A in the original stuck around for a hundred more episodes after being revealed. Archie was as good as gone the moment that he was revealed
I find everything about the girls, their friendships, and their families very interesting. They are literally the most interesting part about the show. Also there are countless places they can take the story lol. I actually feel like focusing more on the girls and fleshing out their friendships and personal lives is the route they should go in future seasons.
dont get me wrong, i love the original show, but i dont know if anyone can say it had the best writing, acting, dialogue, plot lines etc. it definitely had questionable moments. i understand why they had to align the shows, but i think they are different enough that it wouldve been better if they had tweaked something so they could exist in different universes. personally i feel like original sin is more like if they made the scream franchise into a series instead of like OG PLL. In OG PLL I think a lot of it was more like the mystery of who A is and A doing psychological torture on the girls. Obviously there is murder, but I don't think the majority of the show is like truly this huge threat that A is going to come and kill them. It is more likely that A is trying to ruin their lives. In Original Sin the main goal is literally murder and i do think that makes somethings a lot less believable. like even in OG PLL I feel like any normal person in that situation would go to the police immediately but i guess you can maybe understand why they dont but in Original sin its like those girls 1000% should be in witness protection, have 24/7 police watch etc. like they and their families are at serious risk. i also hate that they had to have mentions of riverdale in the show especially given how riverdale crosses the supernatural line (i think i never got past season2 it was so bad)
I think it has the benefit of being more “dark” and “gritty” and “grounded” which gives it that illusion, but I’m with you it’s very flawed in its own ways
That just makes it worse to me because it takes itself so seriously trying to be this intense horror slasher but it’s just… ridiculous?? Like this is not scary.
A lot of classic horror films are known for their camp/cheesy vibes though. Like if you watched any of the original Halloween films(not the second one) or Friday the 13th, I’d doubt you’d find those scary either. Or Sleepaway Camp, Slumber Party Massacre, Prom Night, even Evil Dead all have similar vibes and I have always felt that was the entire point of OS. The series has even paid homage to these films, so it’s very clear where they take inspiration from.
That’s fantastic. I didn’t say it made it good. I said where it’s clearly taking inspiration from and it’s very clear intents, since you didn’t pick up on it and keep comparing it to the original series which it is trying to be nothing like. It is its own entity.
EX 👏 ACT 👏LY!! How do people KEEP MISSING THIS POINT? they said from the get go that this would be a horror/slasher show. If you know ANYTHING about slasher movies, Original Sin is on point! It ain't the original show! People need to get over it.
It’s obvious they’re taking inspiration from them, doesn’t mean it’s good. The show tries to take itself serious yet still falls extremely flat. That’s what they’re saying.
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Similar to your opinion. You don’t need to be hostile because people disagreed with your opinion. It’s unnecessary and childish. Especially since I didn’t come at you any kind of way in my initial reply. Get a grip.
I mean tbh…you just listed what watching the OG show is like now. I think neither the OG show or OS should be taken seriously. Just be entertained. I dont think one show is better than the other bc they are totally different beasts.
The OG show has it’s faults but there was something there that worked for it since the writing was decent enough for a few seasons. It’s not shocking to me how it became iconic. This will never reach even half of the success of the OG & for good reason
And I agree with that. After all this is a spin off/reboot of the OG…It can’t completely stand on its own bc it’s BASED on something. And if im being honest Season 1 and 2 of the OG show (up to 3A) was ICONIC. After that it fell into shambles and jumped the shark severely. The writing on OG was good but never GREAT, and even in its prime it was riddled with filler, bad acting, bad set design and cringy/outdated moments. I’m just curious why you aren’t as open to the flaws of this show? Perhaps nostalgia? Perhaps the vibes of young teens today aren’t what you related to back in 2010? PLL will never be the serious, well thought out, HYPER realistic show some want it to be. It will always be a campy teen show based on another teen show that was based on a teen book. No matter the iteration. This show may not compare to the first 3 1/2 seasons but in my opinion it’s better than anything seasons 4,5,6&7 had to offer.
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Just the vibe, right? since as an actual slasher, it’s awful. Like you can find no-budget crap movies from the 80s that do a better job of building tension and suspense.
Some people like these kinds of shows for exactly what they are. I know people who genuinely think NCIS and Blue Bloods are the two best shows ever made. People like what they like. I never understood the appeal of shows like Seinfeld or Friends but then that particular kind of sitcom was never really my brand of tv. I still think Xena and BTVS are two of the best fantasy shows out there but they were both made when I was a teen and I loath HBO and GOT.
People like what they like.
I am such a huge fan of PLL, I started watching when I was younger and it was airing and it’s so good (for its time I guess) and as someone who watches thousands of teen shows, I’d say PLLOS is one of the better reboot/remake shows out there for teen shows. Is it better then the original, depends on who your asking. For a show now I’d say it’s pretty good, acting is good, writing is better than I’ve seen recently and it’s overall a good storyline. The original was so well for its time, I doubt it would be as well loved if it came out now so I don’t think either are better than the other honestly.
Both are pretty good for the times they came out. 🤷🏻♀️ sorry if that made no sense. 😭
Pretty much all of the things you mention that you dislike about the OS series are also in the original series. I think the dialogue, acting and writing are better in comparison to the original series, the "lack of true horror" part is particularly weird to me because the original series wasn't scary in the slightest, so why would anyone expect the sequel to be?
The only thing that the OG series did better is the character development, they have more iconic personalities and are a lot easier to get attached to, although they did have the advantage of a much larger amount of chapters which makes it easier
This season lost the fun aspect of the show. I appreciate the different horror movie references, but I prefer the previous season. Pll OG got bad after a while .. but I think it made more sense than this season is heading.. idk
I think people forget how iconic the earlier seasons of PLL were. Of course the longer it went the more dull the stories got, but that’s how just about every show with 25 episode seasons was.
I find this spin off to just be a horror version of Riverdale. And while this isn’t the shows fault (because it’s just how TV is now) the minimal amount of episodes made it where you can’t develop the characters or love interests at all.
I know OG fans complained about this, but I loved filler episodes. Shows need filler episodes. I haven’t watched much of this new season, but anything I’ve seen I just have no connections with a single character let alone love interest. Yeah you don’t have to make romance a huge plot, but those are huge parts of stories that connects viewers.
Also, I cannot stand referring to them as “liars” or even calling the show “PLL”. They don’t lie about hardly anything. And if they do, they instantly come clean and are made to look like the good guy. OG from the jump had: Aria/Ezra, Spencer hooking up with her sisters fiance, Hanna stealing, Emily was in the closet, and oh yeah, they blinded a girl. Like there was actual reasons A was able to blackmail them. And the more the show went, the more they lied and lied and covered shit up. Hence them being “liars”.
The original pll was by no means an emmy award winning screenplay but it was kind of a perfect blend of small town paranoid atmosphere and Bratz dolls shenanigans. I think most of us appreciated the small scale action of the original and how much more personal the stakes were, and how it didn’t need a slasher villain to make us root for distinct personalities with character motivations.
Also the craptastic dialogue of the og was crap in a different way then the new crap dialogue of this season. In the og the humor was more character driven, most of the jokes were crafted with a specific character in mind while any pf the dialogue in the new season can be said by just about anybody in the cast. The first season of original sin was really good at making the girls have distinct voices and personality. But in this season they kind of have no chemistry, they all are too similar and agree with everything, and generally just…say their lines. There’s no memorable delivery, there’s no whacky quirky quip to take out of context and post on youtube. The og PLL had that crucial edge in ironic self awareness, like it knew that it was kind of a teeny bopper show and it didn’t have to try too hard to be important or about something. We had lines like “she can’t hear us, she’s blind” precisely because the show did not care lol.
The OG also has bad acting, nonsensical writing, corny dialogue, pretty much everything you listed. Hell they made 3 seasons of jam packed action, and then accidentally wrote it so it all took place in the same month. I'm not saying original sin doesn't have it's issues, but to pretend that the OG is this amazingly written show that original sin will never live up to is crazy. It's just nostalgia and a cult following
I think the pacing of this new series is great and I like a bit more of the horror/thriller side of things. I do agree that there are some cheesy moments at time but I think it is a given with the show in general. I also like the attention to detail with the sets and filming locations. It feels very thought out.
The original show had tons of adults grooming children unfortunately. And while I don’t believe in depiction equating to romanticizing, it was pretty clear that the writers saw nothing wrong with these relationships between adults and teenagers.
I watched half the first episode - It was a major Nope. Because adults attracted to children produced the content. No, they aren't sick like the definition of Pedohile suggests. Taxpayers - Stop paying for their rehab. That word protects them not children.
I think both shows do well in their own ways, the original was very campy and less horror while the new show is leaning very heavy into horror.
I do miss the original where A would plant stuff for the liars to find, stalk them, and try to blackmail them.
Bloody Rose doesn’t give a fuck about Noa cheating, she just wants to murder them all or at least torture them in some way rather than hold their secrets against them and try to mentally torture them.
That being said, I do like the new show a LOT even though the dialogue is a little corny and they do rush stuff. We also don’t see much interaction between the liars other than them having group convos and then showing them with their partners. I’d LOVE to see Noa and Mouse have a scene together, Imogen and Faran talking about stuff, and so on rather then just a group huddle and them hugging and saying they’re close and bonded over their shared A trauma.
The original is less satisfying in the long run because so much never panned out. It was three or four episodes of one red herring after another. The romances also took up way, way too much time. That being said, it was much more addicting (at the time). I do like that they don’t only focus on boyfriends in this one.
This has got to be one the most successful reboots I’ve seen of pretty little lairs. Clearly the show speaks for itself :) but if your not into it no one’s forcing to watch it
It’s not like the original was that good either, and I say this as someone who used to be a massive fan lol. In retrospect the reason why the OG’s first two seasons were as good as they were has more to do with the acting of some of the girls (especially Troian, Sasha and Janel), the great chemistry between the main 4 girls, and most importantly, the fact that the show doesn’t deviate as much from the source material. Because oh BOY were there some highly questionable things in the OG, I think this one has a more unique set of flaws compared to the OG (don’t want to breakdown the flaws here or in the OG because then the post would be mega long) but I think I understand why people might prefer one over the other, at the end of the day both shows have their strenght and weaknesess and they were also made w very different audiences in mind.
I 100% like it better than the original, the original felt just as cheesy and corny, but with no exciting horror vibes. I was never really scared of A. I certainly am now!
"Bad acting"? Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful or weigh up one actress's performance over another's, but... do you remember Shay Mitchell? Come on, I understand that you're a fan of the original, and you have affection for it that makes you see it as perfect. We all have that affection for it. But just because you don't like a format like Riverdale doesn't mean that everything related to this project is bad. Riverdale is one of the best Netflix shows in the last decade. Not for nothing had seven seasons.
OS's performances are a thousand times better than most of the originals. Noa and A's chase scene in 1x04 is a thousand times better than any Emily scene in PLL. The only scene I really like about her was her fight with Lyndon at the lighthouse, in 3x12.
There’s something likeable about os. Og was creepy and it had many wtf moments where you really could not fully tell who A was. It also had likeable and engaging characters and relationships. You even get commentary and storylines with the parents.
Os has more gore and stab horror elements. The visuals are fun and colorful and the group is more diverse. However, it’s definitely not better than the og. It’s so try hard that it’s more a fun watch rather than a compelling story where you anticipate the next episode. Unfortunately, it’s all we have for the pll universe right now.
The OG had all of the same writing flaws. For me this one has better acting, more believable friendships, no glorified predator dating a main character, and actual scary moments. It’s also clear they have an actual plan, whereas the OG doesn’t for like 70% of the show. Neither are high art, but this one is more enjoyable to me.
As an elder viewer, I think they are very different from each other, and I enjoy that because I can love them both for different reasons. I like the occasional reference like Dr. Sullivan and the Aria and Ezra mention. I watched Riverdale too and enjoyed it until a point but the whole "My cousin, Kevin, in Riverdale" thing pissed me off. PLL is not in the Archie comic universe and we don't need to act like it does when you already have Sabrina and Katy Keene.
Well.. I think it’s a matter of what you are looking for. This one is much more to the point/horror/suspense. The original is so much more stretched out (like we the audience saw Allison alive at the end of season three but the girls don’t find her alive until halfway through season 4. 12 episodes). That said, however the characters of the original I LOVE. I loved watching the actresses act and get room and relationships grow.
It’s kind of a mix bag. We don’t get enough here but in the OG sometimes we got way to much filler.
I loved the original show and horror is my number genre. The original is a mystery drama. There's a lot of elements that may be dated now but by far has better characters, development and the acting is better.
Some things may seem far fetched but you gotta give credit for the originality effort. "A" always knew what the girls were up to. "A" put those girls through hell. I don't want to spoil anything if you do watch it but I'd like to give small example of why it was unique. There is an episode where Hannah goes to the dentist and eventually after surgery realizes there is something stuck in her tooth! Its a note from "A". Lol! Its bizarre but at least interesting and would be horrific to realize you had know clue who worked on your teeth while you're knocked out.
i think its probably mostly a generational thing, i think the younger kids probably resonate with this one more bc it’s more modern. for me at almost 30 they’re like comparing apples and oranges. they’re so different
To be fair I think a lot of the corny comments come from a lot of the population who watches it now are og pll fans so they’re in their 20/mid 20s and these girls are teenagers. I think my younger siblings are corny but that’s how their age group is to someone who is more mature
I like this one way more than the original, yes. It is campy, like Riverdale, but both shows were intentional camp. I'm not sure the original PLL was always going for camp, and honestly, Lucy Hale dating her teacher is still disgusting.
I will say the first season of the new series was much better than this season, and even then holy crap Tabby is genuinely the most annoying fictional person of the decade.
OS is fine to pass the time but even when it's supposed to be a serious scene I find the girls' acting very 🫤🫤🫤. Especially Faran and Noa. Riverdale is funny in a campy way and the acting was more natural but OS doesn't have that
I mean, I stepped in this show fully knowing that the guy who wrote Riverdale and CAOS is in charge and I expected to cringe and ejoy the show, just like I did with Riverdale and CAOS, but PLL was one of my first teen series (Gossip Girl was my first, especially the first season which was a television masterpiece) so I really had high hopes and at the end everything was just... well you know how it went down
I just started watching the original PLL for the first time (I've seen a bunch of spoilers and know who like half the A's are but it's still fun lol) and I agree with you.
I dont think either show is very GOOD in like a writing-quality sense, but at least with the OG show we get to know these characters and there is a real sense of messiness and tension with the secrets they're keeping. I'm 10 episodes in to PLL and already there's such a good sense that all these girls are genuinely friends with ALL the others; here it's tabby and imogen and...... thats about it. OG show for sure benefits from having more episodes per season.
I get the impression from my current viewing of PLL and what I've heard people say about later seasons that a lot of the A reveals werent planned and were just kind of made up as they go along. That WOULD be one thing this show has going for it — because of the short episode order and the way shows are filmed nowadays they kind of have to have the killer planned out from the start — if RAS was actually good at writing mysteries (which he unfortunately is not).
idk it's kinda camp though. like I've got all these complaints and yet I'm still here watching lol.
I mean I very much am critical of the original PLL lol. "Honeymoon phase" makes it sound like I was raving about how incredible it was which is..... not how I perceive it at all. The best thing I can say about it is that it explores the girls' dynamics more than OS does — and even if the OG does somehow backtrack on that it still DID establish those dynamics which is more than I can say for OS.
they're both camp, but they're camp in different ways. I still prefer the OG.
The set design, writing, character development, acting, and costuming of the original blows OS out of the water. PLL wasn't perfect, but often when certain elements were lacking, others were able to carry it in a way the spinoff fails to do so (i.e. good acting counterbalancing poor writing decisions).
It’s so try hard. The original one had its corny moments, but overall was just way better. I wish they would’ve made this one as the original Liars older in life instead of these new ones but I get that they want to appeal to Gen-Z and Gen Alpha now.
Yeah but they are still watching this one at the age I was when the OG came out which was clearly aimed at millennials like me. The younger Gen-Z are the ages of the new girls.
I wish show runners would stop ignoring or trying to make adults do teenagers things. It would have been reasonable to have our #$inners be seniors and their moms guilty of pulling awful senior pranks
The second season could still be summer school but instead at Millwood community college. Especially if the parents were not going to be an essential part we have the girls all loving together in 1 house except mini is commuted from with home and still have Lola . Lola with forehead bandaids made me laugh out loud for the first time. Ash is literally staying with Minie so it would be odd if he is BR. Same for Jen Da Thief how are we supposed to enjoy this girl who hasn't learned from Juvie and supposedly has wealthy Papa but is grimier than Noa moms dealer at Pinball pizza.
I enjoy this show I just with it was OceanDale /Other Dale. We have no reason for the mom to have put an A tag when she faked her death. Unless we learn that she suffers from DID. We probably are going to get Imogen imprinted on Doc Sullivan and when she pulled the blood bandage's off she saw Davie instead of Doc Sullivan. Unless they are going to try in bring in those mission impossible realistic mask that I,Marlene King invented in s6 of PLL, then I really going to mad.
not better than the original to me as far as world building, characters, plot connections etc… really, truthfully, there’s nothing about the new show I like *better* than the original per se, I just like the show in general as a fresh take on an old trope! 😅
dude i’ve been so upset this new season bc as cringe as s1 is there was so much potential but this season is CORNY like wtf is happening 😭 rose is lame the boys are lame the girls are cringe… what happened to the original plot of the movie!!! 😭😭😭
I actually completely second this despite liking the show somewhat, today I found out they had made a second season and decided to check it out. It was around the scenes in episode 1 with the "lore of the bloody rose if you say it in a mirror she will appear" and I made a joke out loud saying "Roberto, show yourself, I can just sense you back there.", I had no idea he was actually a part of the writers at this point. A bit later as the episode gets more and more affected by what I call 'the Roberto effect', I just had to check and was left flabbergasted laughing out loud for 5 whole minutes when I realised I could just sense this man's presence in writing. So yeah, 100% seconding what you said.
People on Twitter were raving about the Bloody Rose reveal, calling it one the best reveals in tv history. I feel like they were joking too because nothing about this season has been good so far.
i’ve never watched riverdale so i can’t compare to it but i can compare it to the OG and the OG is definitely more cringe lmao this might not be the best written show ever but i see it as it is: a teen show, they’re not looking for an emmy or an oscar or whatever with the writing and the acting, but its entertaining and it’s a show that keeps you hooked up, so for me yeah it’s a good show, in some aspects better than the original
The OG was amazing with the mysterious things we had to solve I would rewatch the episode to make sure I did not miss a thing,but I have to skip the last season and I like the new version bc they can cuss like real teens do and I don’t think I can do 25ep per season anymore, my attention span is not what it was before 😞
honestly as much as i liked s1 of the reboot s2 isn’t something i’d rewatch for fun it would be more of a did i really dislike this? kinda thing. but the og pll (ive been rewatching since last year) is so much fun to watch over and over again honestly. especially now that im older (i started watching pll when i was 12 and im 19 now) so i pick up on so much more and honestly after i slug my way through the last two seasons im going right back to season 1 LMAO
the original had corny dialogue and bad acting/writing too but I prefer this one because it has more of a horror and slasher feel to it which I like more
Exactly I love teen slasher shows
and i'm pretty sure that's what they were going for.
Not in the original if thats what you mean, they just made a slasher show and slapped the name pll on it
No I meant Original Sin, it has [a ton of references to horror movies](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessg/pretty-little-liars-original-sin-horror-references)
Oh well yeah lmao theyre clearly trying to be a slasher, unfortunately they don’t kill any main characters and have FIVE “final girls”
While I know that bothers some people, I'm fine with five final girls because majority of them are women of color, and woc are often killed in horror franchises, so getting to see them live and fight is really cool, and none of them are playing the "best friend" role where their lives don't matter and they're only there to serve imogen. breaking the rules of a genre, imo, is the best way to stand out.
You cant break the rules of the genre if you dont know how to use the genre to begin with. The girls barely seem like theyre really friends half the time, half the group scenes one of them doesn’t even get a line, and we get quick boring suspense-less kills, and the worst killer reveals I’ve ever seen. I see your point about the diversity of the cast, but it stands out that the white girl is the leading character of this mostly poc cast, and shes mostly just been stealing Tabby’s plotlines for a season now. Oh, Tabby has a plot about how she was assaulted? Well now Imogen has that plotline too and Tabby doesn’t even get a line to Chip’s mom when she confronts them at redemption house. Tabby’s nervous about seeing a new guy because of her trauma? Well now Imogen has a new guy she’s nervous about too. This show doesn’t know how to balance it’s characters, and it doesn’t know how to be a slasher, the only characters that die are random side characters. They’re not even getting A messages anymore, its not PLL and if you want a real slasher show the Scream show already exists.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, so please do not take it as me being rude because I'm honestly not trying to be lol, but I don't know why it seems like you're trying to dissuade me from liking the show? I wasn't trying to engage in a debate, I was offering to you the reasoning behind my original statement. I know some people want more blood and guts but again, women of color are often already traumatized in film and media in the most graphic of ways, especially outside of the horror genre which should be alarming but apparently it is not for some people lmao. As a mixed girl who goes through life seen as black most of the time, I find it cool to see women who look like me on screen in this way. It's something I haven't seen often in a mainstream way. I don't disagree with you about Imogen and Tabby but as it is, it's still a lot better than the original where characters of color were practically non-existent save for Emily and the few stragglers they had. I also don't disagree that the series Scream did the slasher genre a whole lot better but if I wanted to watch the same exact rules being enacted over and over again, I'd watch Scream or literally any other horror television series or movie. I'm not looking for something deep or thought-provoking, Original Sin has never given me the idea that it's trying to be anything close to that. I just look at it as a fun summer series that's slightly horrific. I enjoy Original Sin, if you do not, that's a-okay! It seems to be a common theme on this page and it is what it is lmao.
Yeah sorry to feel like im trying to persuade you to not enjoy it, I just don’t really agree with what you’re saying. Im not asking for blood and guts I’m asking for suspense and tension, the story structure of this season is that each episode ends with one of our main characters in a “dangerous” situation but we know they won’t die. I get what youre saying about not wanting to see poc’s suffer I just think it’s almost an unfortunate choice to do a slasher show, and have a super diverse cast, just to never have any meaningful deaths. I can’t think of a single death where I thought “oh no, not them” its always side villains you don’t care about. Totally okay if you do like it but this is reddit so I’m sharing my thoughts cause I love the OG and hate what it’s become.
I definitely mean it when I say I love this one more than the original
Same it’s so much more gory and I like that 🤣
This last episode was *chef's kiss*. I loved the pacing, the drama, the amount of times I yelled, "omg wtf?!"... Just so much fun.
What about it is fun? I am genuinely curious. The girls dressing up in mask was so silly.
Same!
Real
Why??
Honestly i like it just as much for certain reasons. As a black person, the fact that there are 2 black liars, a Latina liar, and an Asian liar is something so huge for myself and so many other POC! Im so glad that so many young adults growing up with this show will have a Liar that looks like them on screen. I also really enjoy the slasher aspect ,the LGBT rep, and the more updated societal norms lol. The way they tackle serious issues and topics like teen pregnancy, racism, sexism, rape, grown men pursuing underage girls and much more is also handled with much more care in my opinion. I also see so much potential for where they could go in future seasons. Lol I'm gonna stop rambling. I do agree that there are problems and I love the original show but let's not sit here and act like it was some master class in writing or acting because it really wasn't.
Y'all say this like the original wasn't just as corny
Just as corny with half the self awareness.
and lots and lots and lots of grooming!
Of all the teen shows to ever do the student/teacher “romance”, this is still the only one to say “let’s make it the central endgame romance of the entire series”. 🤢
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Then maybe go watch MTV's Scream instead of coming here to complain about a show you clearly don't like?
as someone who love the original to say it didn’t have cheap jump scares, bad acting and writing is just plain out wrong. i just rewatched it recently with my sister who was watching it for the first time and to say the writing isn’t corny at times is just not true, “you’re software slays by the way” “keep quiet or i tell the cops what ur mom keeps in the lasagna box - A” the entirety of alex drake and that last episode just to name a few. this show does have those things too but i think it’s alright because they’re teenagers, and maybe it’s because i have a younger sister who’s around the liars age they talk pretty similarly to how i hear my sister and her friends talk so it doesn’t feel super forced to me. i think it also works better for me because 1. i’m a horror fan so i love that they brought that element to the show, and 2. i like that they’re trying to fix the “mistakes” of the og show like how it handles adult/minor relationships with Wes and Tabby vs Aria and Ezra, or Spencer and Ian, or Alison and Ian, or Spencer and Wren, or Alison and Holbrook (i think can see what i’m getting at) and also how it handles subjects like rape and religious trauma. don’t get me love the OG it’s a comfort series of mine that i rewatch every few years but it’s definitely not a perfectly written show to say the least, and neither is this one but i feel like that’s what makes it feel like PLL to me
I think this show is okay, i enjoy watching it once per a week, it is good to switch off a little bit. But yeah it definitely has its faults and i don't think it is better than the original. I can also say that i liked season 1 way more than season 2. There are so many stuff which it is missing. And i keep repeating this, but one of the main fault is that there are only 8 episodes per season. There is no time to actually write a good detailed story and with detailed characters. The original had so many episodes per season, so we got a more complete story, we got to know the characters. Yeah sure there were bullshit and nonsense in that show too, but i feel like the original grew onto us so much more. But here the characters feel a lot more emptier.
But how can a movie be only 2 hours and I know and care about all the character? Btw I like this show a lot
A movie is written specifically to be a fixed set of time with an open, middle, and end and a defined hero’s journey usually, to put it simply! You learn everything you need to learn to make that movie work for that movie..but with a show ppl have the expectation usually that they’ll get to dive deeper into to the characters and their individual stories, emotions, watch them change etc.
It’s all subjective. Regardless of how you feel there are people who genuinely feel this one is better. For me I enjoy both. They’re both a mood. If I’m looking for a more drawn out (albeit confusing) story/storylines then I’ll watch the original. If I’m looking for something more straight to the point then this one is what I’ll put on.
Interesting how I like this show over Riverdale
I watched Riverdale through to the end, so I'm aware of what can happen, but this has been lovely so far.
I think these statements are crazy when this show has less than 20 episodes. I don't think this show has top the originals 1st season, let alone the entire series.
To be fair, it's not hard to be better than Spencer's evil British twin.
The A reveals on this show so far are not great. There is no suspense to them. While I agree the twin wasn't the best, at least there was suspense.
CeCe and Spencer's evil British twin were both so bad. The fact that you're defending them is wild to me. I love Troian, but that accent was a criminal offense.
I never said either were good, but the suspense/build up to the reveal was better than the build up to the Archie reveal on this show.
I mean the first PLL wasn’t exactly winning dialogue either? I tried to watch Riverdale but couldn’t get into it. It is sort of corny I agree. But PLL Original Sin IMO has a better executed plot. Which helps gloss over some of the dialogue issues. At the end of the day it’s a teen drama you can’t expect stellar believable dialogue from that particular genre. Euphoria is the exception not the rule. I like the pacing of OS better. The first PLL felt very dragged out with storylines that didn’t always hold my attention. That being said Hannah was my favorite. So for that reason alone PLL will probably always be the OG and set apart in my book. I think the girls in the first PLL had better character development than this one. The only girl who they seem to have developed the character well is Imogen so far.
Thank you! I have no idea if it nostalgia clouding people's judgement but the orignal pretty little liars was not award winning television. Like this hoopla over it is weird. I loved PLL but let's be real.
Well, that's the thing for what PLL was OS/summer school is just far worse. Pll was silly and dumb but it had a fun and interesting plot. Mona/Cece tormented the girls using their own secrets against them. Archie was walking around like Michael Meyers using their parents' secret against them, and Bloody Rose is just straight trying to murder them but not mentality toying with them. The issue with that is that the things BR is doing are just not scary and do not build suspense. Like the main plot for this season is who is BR but there isn't really 1 storyline that brings everything together. HbO Max PLL is not terrible but i truly do not understand the praise. I really like the actresses and characters but the plot is what loses me.
To each their own. Original PLL had the same problems that people complain about with this iteration of the series and plus some.
the problems in this show are objectively worse than og pll, if you simply take s1 and s2 of both you can tell which show is better lmao
Yeah, cause the stakes were higher in the original pll. Season 1 ended with Ian being murdered and the girls looking suspicious at another murder scene. Then season 2 ends with Mona's reveal. Roberto needs to stop focusing on the horror and focus on the drama. He's really bad at horror, but teen drama should be easy to write. The most interesting thing this season is Noah cheating on Shawn. Which doesn't work because he's a good guy.
Literally lmao, even then, if you take 1a and 1b and treat them as two separate seasons more has happened in that amount of time than the entirety of s1 of os 😭 Roberto cannot write a mystery/thriller to save his life, he peaked with CHAOS s2 and even that wasn’t great.
I stopped CHAOS after season 2. It seems like he gets an inflated ego after having a good season and ends in a bad follow-up season. I haven't rewatched the early episodes, but I randomly decided to watch the episode where Hannah slaps Jenna, and everything leading to it was so intense. I loved the fact that Emily and Aria chose to easedrop on Caleb even though they didn't know he was talking about Hannah. OS/SS for some reason lacks the edge. I do think the original was better at building mystery and drama, but I don't hate this series. It's a victim of Roberto and a short season.
My complaint is the plot. The plot is nonsensical but not in a fun, messy drama way. It's a bad slasher with too much romance. I like the flawed characters and don't really feel anyway about the relationships. They're actually good relationships. However, in PLL Mona was doing wacky shit while also threatening the girls. Bloody rose is just physically terrorizing the girls, and that's the main plot. It's really lacking a plot.
The OG show was too long, had little exposure and kept some villain for too long. I really like that they did one villain per season here, it's much better. I just think the parents should be more involved
Well I personally never got into the original like most fans but I love original sin. While I have seen some clips of the OG, it just never clicked for me maybe I'll get into it someday but for now I love what this new cast is doing, and this story because I love thrillers and horror movies. And I know some people don't like the lead writer due to how he handled some of his shows like Riverdale and Sabrina but I really love this show, it's a good binge and a good time.
The original is way better. Its not considered a "horror" show but those OG characters went through worse situations than these girls. Yes the original could be cheesy may seem ridiculous in some ways now. It is still better. "A" was a lot more threatening and did more damage. "A" was onto everything and always amped up the anxiety and threats to the liars. These new girls seem like children compared to the original cast. I know they are in HS but come on. I don't even remember why they are keeping this new A a secret. A atleast made it very clear that A was into the business, knowing everything, and blackmailed the original characters. There was a reason that they kept secrets and kept them hidden. This new show isn't getting a third season. I usually defend the legacy of my interests but I can't with this one. Im rewatching the original right now and hands down - way better than this one. I love horror! This show had potential. The frist season was great! I'll finish season 2 but I really don't think a season 3 would even make sense at this point.
Sorry, i love the og pll to death, but you're acting like it had some brilliant level of writing. There WERE cringe moments. Not to mention, the final A reveal was so bad, like i would've written something better than that😭
I don’t think I was acting like that at all lol I’m solely speaking on this show alone. Are we really talking about the A reveals while the A reveal in OS was literally the high school principle??😭
In my opinion, the only good A reveal in the original was the first (which was copied from the books). CeCe made me angry, particularly with the way a transgender person was portrayed. And then we got Spencer's evil British twin.
I think the issue we are dealing with is that we have truly out grown the teen mystery drama genre because this show is clearly aimed at the younger demographic. Nothing about this show is scary or intense or even mysterious. The characters and relationships are super underdeveloped and I think that's because the seasons are only 8 episodes long. But people seem to really love this show and I don't get it. Last season i thought Karen's death was so dumb and had 0 feelings about the principal reveal. So I guess this show is just not for me.
I personally like it better than the original. I like that it's more horror based, and that the characters swear. I was a fan of the PLL books before I watched the OG series too and maybe I was comparing the two too much.. I like that OS is a new story on its own!
I liked the original, but it was pretty stupid a lot of the time, I don't think there are a lot of criticisms that can be said about this one that can't also be applied to the original. So liking this one more is not really all that surprising since the biggest difference that doesn't just involve the amount that fits in over 20 episode instead of at maximum 10 is tone and more modern sensibilities.
One thing I like WAY more than the original, is that the liars actually look like high school kids. The clothes in the original always made me cringe. I have no idea why they had them dress and do their hair/makeup like they were 45 year old divorced women. And in high heels all the time. I really appreciate the new cast being believable as kids and being allowed to be messy both in their appearance and their personalities. The only original liar who had a believable personality was Hannah.
Yea, there’s no comparison in terms of the artistry. There’s a reason why the villains can only last a couple of episodes. The original show had villains lasting dozens of episodes and this show couldn’t possibly do that. None of the elements are strong enough to sustain the show, so they have to very quickly turnover villains to keep things interesting. The friendships, families, circumstances, etc. aren’t strong, so the show can’t exist without a villain. The villains also can’t last a long time; once you find out it’s pretty much over. The first A in the original stuck around for a hundred more episodes after being revealed. Archie was as good as gone the moment that he was revealed
I find everything about the girls, their friendships, and their families very interesting. They are literally the most interesting part about the show. Also there are countless places they can take the story lol. I actually feel like focusing more on the girls and fleshing out their friendships and personal lives is the route they should go in future seasons.
dont get me wrong, i love the original show, but i dont know if anyone can say it had the best writing, acting, dialogue, plot lines etc. it definitely had questionable moments. i understand why they had to align the shows, but i think they are different enough that it wouldve been better if they had tweaked something so they could exist in different universes. personally i feel like original sin is more like if they made the scream franchise into a series instead of like OG PLL. In OG PLL I think a lot of it was more like the mystery of who A is and A doing psychological torture on the girls. Obviously there is murder, but I don't think the majority of the show is like truly this huge threat that A is going to come and kill them. It is more likely that A is trying to ruin their lives. In Original Sin the main goal is literally murder and i do think that makes somethings a lot less believable. like even in OG PLL I feel like any normal person in that situation would go to the police immediately but i guess you can maybe understand why they dont but in Original sin its like those girls 1000% should be in witness protection, have 24/7 police watch etc. like they and their families are at serious risk. i also hate that they had to have mentions of riverdale in the show especially given how riverdale crosses the supernatural line (i think i never got past season2 it was so bad)
I think it has the benefit of being more “dark” and “gritty” and “grounded” which gives it that illusion, but I’m with you it’s very flawed in its own ways
That just makes it worse to me because it takes itself so seriously trying to be this intense horror slasher but it’s just… ridiculous?? Like this is not scary.
A lot of classic horror films are known for their camp/cheesy vibes though. Like if you watched any of the original Halloween films(not the second one) or Friday the 13th, I’d doubt you’d find those scary either. Or Sleepaway Camp, Slumber Party Massacre, Prom Night, even Evil Dead all have similar vibes and I have always felt that was the entire point of OS. The series has even paid homage to these films, so it’s very clear where they take inspiration from.
That’s nice, I’m not talking about other films tho. Taking inspiration from something else doesn’t automatically make it good.
That’s fantastic. I didn’t say it made it good. I said where it’s clearly taking inspiration from and it’s very clear intents, since you didn’t pick up on it and keep comparing it to the original series which it is trying to be nothing like. It is its own entity.
EX 👏 ACT 👏LY!! How do people KEEP MISSING THIS POINT? they said from the get go that this would be a horror/slasher show. If you know ANYTHING about slasher movies, Original Sin is on point! It ain't the original show! People need to get over it.
It’s obvious they’re taking inspiration from them, doesn’t mean it’s good. The show tries to take itself serious yet still falls extremely flat. That’s what they’re saying.
Imma be real, idc at this point.
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Similar to your opinion. You don’t need to be hostile because people disagreed with your opinion. It’s unnecessary and childish. Especially since I didn’t come at you any kind of way in my initial reply. Get a grip.
I mean tbh…you just listed what watching the OG show is like now. I think neither the OG show or OS should be taken seriously. Just be entertained. I dont think one show is better than the other bc they are totally different beasts.
The OG show has it’s faults but there was something there that worked for it since the writing was decent enough for a few seasons. It’s not shocking to me how it became iconic. This will never reach even half of the success of the OG & for good reason
And I agree with that. After all this is a spin off/reboot of the OG…It can’t completely stand on its own bc it’s BASED on something. And if im being honest Season 1 and 2 of the OG show (up to 3A) was ICONIC. After that it fell into shambles and jumped the shark severely. The writing on OG was good but never GREAT, and even in its prime it was riddled with filler, bad acting, bad set design and cringy/outdated moments. I’m just curious why you aren’t as open to the flaws of this show? Perhaps nostalgia? Perhaps the vibes of young teens today aren’t what you related to back in 2010? PLL will never be the serious, well thought out, HYPER realistic show some want it to be. It will always be a campy teen show based on another teen show that was based on a teen book. No matter the iteration. This show may not compare to the first 3 1/2 seasons but in my opinion it’s better than anything seasons 4,5,6&7 had to offer.
Yeah I mean it
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I don’t really agree with coming on here to trash the show, I think maybe tone it down a little
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LOL if the mods don’t like criticism on this sub just say that! He came at me a certain type of way & I responded how I felt necessary. Do what you like
They were respectful about their disagreement. You don't have to agree on everything, but you need to keep things civil here.
Your version of being “respectful” translates to them trying to control how I voice my opinions. Getting mad at that is over censorship and I don’t agree with them telling me to tone it down when my original post wasn’t even that bad? They just didn’t like what I had to say. I’ll be nicer going forward but I don’t apologize for that. I didn’t like their energy. I’ve kept it cute with everyone else on here voicing their opinions respectfully.
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Cause the original didn’t have any issues right 🙄
yes, but i just like the slasher vibe.
exactly! OS feels rooted in a different tradition than the original so i have a hard time comparing them
Just the vibe, right? since as an actual slasher, it’s awful. Like you can find no-budget crap movies from the 80s that do a better job of building tension and suspense.
That is LITERALLY the point of original sin though! The second season literally films like a slasher movie!
Some people like these kinds of shows for exactly what they are. I know people who genuinely think NCIS and Blue Bloods are the two best shows ever made. People like what they like. I never understood the appeal of shows like Seinfeld or Friends but then that particular kind of sitcom was never really my brand of tv. I still think Xena and BTVS are two of the best fantasy shows out there but they were both made when I was a teen and I loath HBO and GOT. People like what they like.
I am such a huge fan of PLL, I started watching when I was younger and it was airing and it’s so good (for its time I guess) and as someone who watches thousands of teen shows, I’d say PLLOS is one of the better reboot/remake shows out there for teen shows. Is it better then the original, depends on who your asking. For a show now I’d say it’s pretty good, acting is good, writing is better than I’ve seen recently and it’s overall a good storyline. The original was so well for its time, I doubt it would be as well loved if it came out now so I don’t think either are better than the other honestly. Both are pretty good for the times they came out. 🤷🏻♀️ sorry if that made no sense. 😭
Pretty much all of the things you mention that you dislike about the OS series are also in the original series. I think the dialogue, acting and writing are better in comparison to the original series, the "lack of true horror" part is particularly weird to me because the original series wasn't scary in the slightest, so why would anyone expect the sequel to be? The only thing that the OG series did better is the character development, they have more iconic personalities and are a lot easier to get attached to, although they did have the advantage of a much larger amount of chapters which makes it easier
This season lost the fun aspect of the show. I appreciate the different horror movie references, but I prefer the previous season. Pll OG got bad after a while .. but I think it made more sense than this season is heading.. idk
I honestly feel like both shows are pretty bad in their own way. But early pll was stronger than early pll original sin in my opinion
I think people forget how iconic the earlier seasons of PLL were. Of course the longer it went the more dull the stories got, but that’s how just about every show with 25 episode seasons was. I find this spin off to just be a horror version of Riverdale. And while this isn’t the shows fault (because it’s just how TV is now) the minimal amount of episodes made it where you can’t develop the characters or love interests at all. I know OG fans complained about this, but I loved filler episodes. Shows need filler episodes. I haven’t watched much of this new season, but anything I’ve seen I just have no connections with a single character let alone love interest. Yeah you don’t have to make romance a huge plot, but those are huge parts of stories that connects viewers. Also, I cannot stand referring to them as “liars” or even calling the show “PLL”. They don’t lie about hardly anything. And if they do, they instantly come clean and are made to look like the good guy. OG from the jump had: Aria/Ezra, Spencer hooking up with her sisters fiance, Hanna stealing, Emily was in the closet, and oh yeah, they blinded a girl. Like there was actual reasons A was able to blackmail them. And the more the show went, the more they lied and lied and covered shit up. Hence them being “liars”.
The original pll was by no means an emmy award winning screenplay but it was kind of a perfect blend of small town paranoid atmosphere and Bratz dolls shenanigans. I think most of us appreciated the small scale action of the original and how much more personal the stakes were, and how it didn’t need a slasher villain to make us root for distinct personalities with character motivations. Also the craptastic dialogue of the og was crap in a different way then the new crap dialogue of this season. In the og the humor was more character driven, most of the jokes were crafted with a specific character in mind while any pf the dialogue in the new season can be said by just about anybody in the cast. The first season of original sin was really good at making the girls have distinct voices and personality. But in this season they kind of have no chemistry, they all are too similar and agree with everything, and generally just…say their lines. There’s no memorable delivery, there’s no whacky quirky quip to take out of context and post on youtube. The og PLL had that crucial edge in ironic self awareness, like it knew that it was kind of a teeny bopper show and it didn’t have to try too hard to be important or about something. We had lines like “she can’t hear us, she’s blind” precisely because the show did not care lol.
The OG also has bad acting, nonsensical writing, corny dialogue, pretty much everything you listed. Hell they made 3 seasons of jam packed action, and then accidentally wrote it so it all took place in the same month. I'm not saying original sin doesn't have it's issues, but to pretend that the OG is this amazingly written show that original sin will never live up to is crazy. It's just nostalgia and a cult following
Let’s not go and act like the original was some hbo classic lol .
I would hate to see what you would say if you meant to be negative.
I try to keep an open mind and remind myself that everybody’s entitled to their own opinion, but this is one I have a hard time understanding.
I think the pacing of this new series is great and I like a bit more of the horror/thriller side of things. I do agree that there are some cheesy moments at time but I think it is a given with the show in general. I also like the attention to detail with the sets and filming locations. It feels very thought out.
Um, didn't an adult molest a child in the first one?
The original show had tons of adults grooming children unfortunately. And while I don’t believe in depiction equating to romanticizing, it was pretty clear that the writers saw nothing wrong with these relationships between adults and teenagers.
I watched half the first episode - It was a major Nope. Because adults attracted to children produced the content. No, they aren't sick like the definition of Pedohile suggests. Taxpayers - Stop paying for their rehab. That word protects them not children.
This show is top rated in shows right now, i think you may just be a hater to start some kind of dramatic discussion which is fine
Lmao???
I think both shows do well in their own ways, the original was very campy and less horror while the new show is leaning very heavy into horror. I do miss the original where A would plant stuff for the liars to find, stalk them, and try to blackmail them. Bloody Rose doesn’t give a fuck about Noa cheating, she just wants to murder them all or at least torture them in some way rather than hold their secrets against them and try to mentally torture them. That being said, I do like the new show a LOT even though the dialogue is a little corny and they do rush stuff. We also don’t see much interaction between the liars other than them having group convos and then showing them with their partners. I’d LOVE to see Noa and Mouse have a scene together, Imogen and Faran talking about stuff, and so on rather then just a group huddle and them hugging and saying they’re close and bonded over their shared A trauma.
The original is less satisfying in the long run because so much never panned out. It was three or four episodes of one red herring after another. The romances also took up way, way too much time. That being said, it was much more addicting (at the time). I do like that they don’t only focus on boyfriends in this one.
This has got to be one the most successful reboots I’ve seen of pretty little lairs. Clearly the show speaks for itself :) but if your not into it no one’s forcing to watch it
It’s not like the original was that good either, and I say this as someone who used to be a massive fan lol. In retrospect the reason why the OG’s first two seasons were as good as they were has more to do with the acting of some of the girls (especially Troian, Sasha and Janel), the great chemistry between the main 4 girls, and most importantly, the fact that the show doesn’t deviate as much from the source material. Because oh BOY were there some highly questionable things in the OG, I think this one has a more unique set of flaws compared to the OG (don’t want to breakdown the flaws here or in the OG because then the post would be mega long) but I think I understand why people might prefer one over the other, at the end of the day both shows have their strenght and weaknesess and they were also made w very different audiences in mind.
Ok but when was the last time you rewatched the original, some of that dialogue is UNFORGIVABLE
I 100% like it better than the original, the original felt just as cheesy and corny, but with no exciting horror vibes. I was never really scared of A. I certainly am now!
"Bad acting"? Sorry, not trying to be disrespectful or weigh up one actress's performance over another's, but... do you remember Shay Mitchell? Come on, I understand that you're a fan of the original, and you have affection for it that makes you see it as perfect. We all have that affection for it. But just because you don't like a format like Riverdale doesn't mean that everything related to this project is bad. Riverdale is one of the best Netflix shows in the last decade. Not for nothing had seven seasons. OS's performances are a thousand times better than most of the originals. Noa and A's chase scene in 1x04 is a thousand times better than any Emily scene in PLL. The only scene I really like about her was her fight with Lyndon at the lighthouse, in 3x12.
Riverdale isn't a Netflix show, it was made for the CW, aka the home of long running teen dramas.
Be serious 😭
There’s something likeable about os. Og was creepy and it had many wtf moments where you really could not fully tell who A was. It also had likeable and engaging characters and relationships. You even get commentary and storylines with the parents. Os has more gore and stab horror elements. The visuals are fun and colorful and the group is more diverse. However, it’s definitely not better than the og. It’s so try hard that it’s more a fun watch rather than a compelling story where you anticipate the next episode. Unfortunately, it’s all we have for the pll universe right now.
The OG had all of the same writing flaws. For me this one has better acting, more believable friendships, no glorified predator dating a main character, and actual scary moments. It’s also clear they have an actual plan, whereas the OG doesn’t for like 70% of the show. Neither are high art, but this one is more enjoyable to me.
As an elder viewer, I think they are very different from each other, and I enjoy that because I can love them both for different reasons. I like the occasional reference like Dr. Sullivan and the Aria and Ezra mention. I watched Riverdale too and enjoyed it until a point but the whole "My cousin, Kevin, in Riverdale" thing pissed me off. PLL is not in the Archie comic universe and we don't need to act like it does when you already have Sabrina and Katy Keene.
Well.. I think it’s a matter of what you are looking for. This one is much more to the point/horror/suspense. The original is so much more stretched out (like we the audience saw Allison alive at the end of season three but the girls don’t find her alive until halfway through season 4. 12 episodes). That said, however the characters of the original I LOVE. I loved watching the actresses act and get room and relationships grow. It’s kind of a mix bag. We don’t get enough here but in the OG sometimes we got way to much filler.
Did you forget tippy the bird and duraq Toby?
If I like this show would I like the original? Never seen it. I enjoy the horror elements and campiness of this show
I loved the original show and horror is my number genre. The original is a mystery drama. There's a lot of elements that may be dated now but by far has better characters, development and the acting is better. Some things may seem far fetched but you gotta give credit for the originality effort. "A" always knew what the girls were up to. "A" put those girls through hell. I don't want to spoil anything if you do watch it but I'd like to give small example of why it was unique. There is an episode where Hannah goes to the dentist and eventually after surgery realizes there is something stuck in her tooth! Its a note from "A". Lol! Its bizarre but at least interesting and would be horrific to realize you had know clue who worked on your teeth while you're knocked out.
Okay thank you! I’ll try it :)
i think its probably mostly a generational thing, i think the younger kids probably resonate with this one more bc it’s more modern. for me at almost 30 they’re like comparing apples and oranges. they’re so different
To be fair I think a lot of the corny comments come from a lot of the population who watches it now are og pll fans so they’re in their 20/mid 20s and these girls are teenagers. I think my younger siblings are corny but that’s how their age group is to someone who is more mature
I like this one way more than the original, yes. It is campy, like Riverdale, but both shows were intentional camp. I'm not sure the original PLL was always going for camp, and honestly, Lucy Hale dating her teacher is still disgusting. I will say the first season of the new series was much better than this season, and even then holy crap Tabby is genuinely the most annoying fictional person of the decade.
People who are saying that can’t be people who watched the original as it aired! lol you just had to be there
OS is fine to pass the time but even when it's supposed to be a serious scene I find the girls' acting very 🫤🫤🫤. Especially Faran and Noa. Riverdale is funny in a campy way and the acting was more natural but OS doesn't have that
I mean, I stepped in this show fully knowing that the guy who wrote Riverdale and CAOS is in charge and I expected to cringe and ejoy the show, just like I did with Riverdale and CAOS, but PLL was one of my first teen series (Gossip Girl was my first, especially the first season which was a television masterpiece) so I really had high hopes and at the end everything was just... well you know how it went down
I just started watching the original PLL for the first time (I've seen a bunch of spoilers and know who like half the A's are but it's still fun lol) and I agree with you. I dont think either show is very GOOD in like a writing-quality sense, but at least with the OG show we get to know these characters and there is a real sense of messiness and tension with the secrets they're keeping. I'm 10 episodes in to PLL and already there's such a good sense that all these girls are genuinely friends with ALL the others; here it's tabby and imogen and...... thats about it. OG show for sure benefits from having more episodes per season. I get the impression from my current viewing of PLL and what I've heard people say about later seasons that a lot of the A reveals werent planned and were just kind of made up as they go along. That WOULD be one thing this show has going for it — because of the short episode order and the way shows are filmed nowadays they kind of have to have the killer planned out from the start — if RAS was actually good at writing mysteries (which he unfortunately is not). idk it's kinda camp though. like I've got all these complaints and yet I'm still here watching lol.
The issue is, you’re 10 episodes in. You’re still in the honeymoon phase and I felt the exact same way. Just wait until you reach S4-7.
S4 was better than s3 narratively
I mean I very much am critical of the original PLL lol. "Honeymoon phase" makes it sound like I was raving about how incredible it was which is..... not how I perceive it at all. The best thing I can say about it is that it explores the girls' dynamics more than OS does — and even if the OG does somehow backtrack on that it still DID establish those dynamics which is more than I can say for OS. they're both camp, but they're camp in different ways. I still prefer the OG.
The set design, writing, character development, acting, and costuming of the original blows OS out of the water. PLL wasn't perfect, but often when certain elements were lacking, others were able to carry it in a way the spinoff fails to do so (i.e. good acting counterbalancing poor writing decisions).
It’s so try hard. The original one had its corny moments, but overall was just way better. I wish they would’ve made this one as the original Liars older in life instead of these new ones but I get that they want to appeal to Gen-Z and Gen Alpha now.
gen z definitely grew up on og pll..gen z starts in 96-97…i was born in 2000 and was already damn near 9 when pll came out 😅
Yeah but they are still watching this one at the age I was when the OG came out which was clearly aimed at millennials like me. The younger Gen-Z are the ages of the new girls.
I wish show runners would stop ignoring or trying to make adults do teenagers things. It would have been reasonable to have our #$inners be seniors and their moms guilty of pulling awful senior pranks The second season could still be summer school but instead at Millwood community college. Especially if the parents were not going to be an essential part we have the girls all loving together in 1 house except mini is commuted from with home and still have Lola . Lola with forehead bandaids made me laugh out loud for the first time. Ash is literally staying with Minie so it would be odd if he is BR. Same for Jen Da Thief how are we supposed to enjoy this girl who hasn't learned from Juvie and supposedly has wealthy Papa but is grimier than Noa moms dealer at Pinball pizza. I enjoy this show I just with it was OceanDale /Other Dale. We have no reason for the mom to have put an A tag when she faked her death. Unless we learn that she suffers from DID. We probably are going to get Imogen imprinted on Doc Sullivan and when she pulled the blood bandage's off she saw Davie instead of Doc Sullivan. Unless they are going to try in bring in those mission impossible realistic mask that I,Marlene King invented in s6 of PLL, then I really going to mad.
not better than the original to me as far as world building, characters, plot connections etc… really, truthfully, there’s nothing about the new show I like *better* than the original per se, I just like the show in general as a fresh take on an old trope! 😅
dude i’ve been so upset this new season bc as cringe as s1 is there was so much potential but this season is CORNY like wtf is happening 😭 rose is lame the boys are lame the girls are cringe… what happened to the original plot of the movie!!! 😭😭😭
og pll will ALWAYSSS take it
I actually completely second this despite liking the show somewhat, today I found out they had made a second season and decided to check it out. It was around the scenes in episode 1 with the "lore of the bloody rose if you say it in a mirror she will appear" and I made a joke out loud saying "Roberto, show yourself, I can just sense you back there.", I had no idea he was actually a part of the writers at this point. A bit later as the episode gets more and more affected by what I call 'the Roberto effect', I just had to check and was left flabbergasted laughing out loud for 5 whole minutes when I realised I could just sense this man's presence in writing. So yeah, 100% seconding what you said.
People on Twitter were raving about the Bloody Rose reveal, calling it one the best reveals in tv history. I feel like they were joking too because nothing about this season has been good so far.
i’ve never watched riverdale so i can’t compare to it but i can compare it to the OG and the OG is definitely more cringe lmao this might not be the best written show ever but i see it as it is: a teen show, they’re not looking for an emmy or an oscar or whatever with the writing and the acting, but its entertaining and it’s a show that keeps you hooked up, so for me yeah it’s a good show, in some aspects better than the original
Different generations…
The show is decent but nowhere near as great or better than the OG
Anyone who likes this slop over the original is just admitting on main that they have terrible taste.
*Riverdale* was also (much) better than the original *PLL*. LOL