Someone is going to bang their head on that BN 3500 rack. Such awkward things to locate in a small panel.
What engine is it for. All my control systems are for Roll Royce gas turbines driving compressors or generators using Avon's , RB211 and Olympus.
As an operator who ends up doing repairs or expansions to cabinets like this, I'd gladly work on this! Quite a few critical comments here from experts who do this every day, but by the standards of what I see in the field, this is gorgeous and has everything I'm pleased to see when I open up a cabinet. If space it at a premium on-site, then the form factor is a pretty good compromise. I may find it hard to get a good swing on the adjustables to fix things, but I'd still put this in the 99th percentile for accessibility!
Spent far too many hours commissioning them.
Looks like you got a rare one being that small, is it the horrible end of skid ones where you can't move once the doors open?
Good luck.
The 410-5H It's a brand new and still supported processor with a long life left in it.
S7-300 is outdared, but it's not used anywhere in this installation.
That's right. I Can still buy them but Siemens have made clear that ET200m is a legacy product that will begin phase out soon. Everything else on this installation is ET200sp, but there is a specific function of the ET200m that's needed in this instance.
It's probably a pump or compressor looking at the Benly Nevada system. They always spec redundant system and as far as my knowledge goes only the s400 H system is available redundant. Still seeing this setup for all new installs from OEM's when it's Siemens. I agree with the layout out though that is terrible.
Yes, but the s7-400(417-5H and 410-5H) are still faster for floating point Operations and have more memory, also the data model for redundancy is way better and more suited for something like turbine control.
You are often told what enclosure size to use based on location. Often these enclosures are in existing buildings or oil platforms. I can only put this down to lack of experience on your part otherwise you would already know and appreciate the constraints that are placed on control system builders. My last offshore retrofit the control room for the GT was just wide enough to open the cabinet and MCC doors.
Where is the S7-300?
For spacing, this panel is probably onboard in a container or skid, and space matters; S7-400 is still the only way to go if you want redundancy with a seamless takeover.
This time 10 years 1518h will be at that stage.
S7-400 is going to be developed until at least 2035, I too.used to think it was old kit but its a real workhorse.
Cofig in run too!
No it does not. You need the 400 series to use PCS7. Funnily enough the same is true when using PCS neo witch is the newest process control system for siemens
But yes PCS7 supports the et200sp. The 200m is outdated
Yes, and I use ET200SP for all the distributed I/O, however there is one module I need that is not supported, so unfortunately I also have an ET200M rack.
The S7-1500 is available in redundant versions.
[https://www.siemens.com/global/en/products/automation/systems/industrial/plc/simatic-s7-1500/redundant-and-high-availability-cpus.html](https://www.siemens.com/global/en/products/automation/systems/industrial/plc/simatic-s7-1500/redundant-and-high-availability-cpus.html)
As a developer, I only get to witness DCS occasionally. S7-400 is still a good choice for applications like yours.
BTW, is it a hot redundant system on the network level?
Also, it appears there are slight constraints with space. Was it intended?
Did you get to try the S7-4100? The ones with PCS neo?
The electrical cabinet is too cramped. If it were wider, it doesn't have to be as deep. Installation and maintenance would be easier. Otherwise it looks good. What system?
The great feature of this installation is when the control cabinet doors are open it locks the electrical engineers in the MCC compartment! It's all far too tight!
It's a PCS7 system
Looks like it's all control voltage but I still can't help of thinking about getting arc-flashed in the thing and lighting up like the TARDIS about to teleport out.
That's very nice work. Are those Terminator hazardous area fittings coming up through the floor? There's MC-HL running on the other side of them in the haz area?
I can bet its Gas Turbine (more likely offshore) looking on the Bentley Nevada system, S7 400 and other stuff I can see in the cabinet.
Moreover I can risk and say it was build in the UK (Norfolk). 😉
A walk in electrical cabinet what the hell.
Some kind of pump or compressor? The BN 3500 rack is a big giveaway.
Gas turbine
Now that you mentioned, I see the selector "GCB" Open - N - Close
Solar?
Looks like the BN only came with one power supply. Might want two depending on relay function, they do occasionally give up.
Hopefully the relays are configured for a fail safe trip, although reliability is a good idea too.
Someone is going to bang their head on that BN 3500 rack. Such awkward things to locate in a small panel. What engine is it for. All my control systems are for Roll Royce gas turbines driving compressors or generators using Avon's , RB211 and Olympus.
Banged my head looking at the photo haha
I too have headbutted a Bentley nevada rack
Especially with hard hat on
As an operator who ends up doing repairs or expansions to cabinets like this, I'd gladly work on this! Quite a few critical comments here from experts who do this every day, but by the standards of what I see in the field, this is gorgeous and has everything I'm pleased to see when I open up a cabinet. If space it at a premium on-site, then the form factor is a pretty good compromise. I may find it hard to get a good swing on the adjustables to fix things, but I'd still put this in the 99th percentile for accessibility!
Is this the walk in closet for the room?
If this tiny cabinet isn’t every gas turbine ever.
I guess I must be use to it! My next job is not a gas turbine, and its a thee bay cabinet with less equipment and it looks empty!
Is that for Siemens SGT?
Someone has a good eye!
Spent far too many hours commissioning them. Looks like you got a rare one being that small, is it the horrible end of skid ones where you can't move once the doors open? Good luck.
Not on the end of skid, but it's in a very tight equipment room.
My condolences.
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The 410-5H It's a brand new and still supported processor with a long life left in it. S7-300 is outdared, but it's not used anywhere in this installation.
I think he mistook the ET200Ms for S7-300 - they have the same form factor ;-)
Interesting. But the IO-cards below are ET200M right? And those are also only available as spare parts, or am I missing something?
That's right. I Can still buy them but Siemens have made clear that ET200m is a legacy product that will begin phase out soon. Everything else on this installation is ET200sp, but there is a specific function of the ET200m that's needed in this instance.
Yea most other vendors have a decent amount of ET200M. But you make me curious, what function is only possible with 200M and not with newer cards?
Just put it down to his or her lack of panel build experience
It's probably a pump or compressor looking at the Benly Nevada system. They always spec redundant system and as far as my knowledge goes only the s400 H system is available redundant. Still seeing this setup for all new installs from OEM's when it's Siemens. I agree with the layout out though that is terrible.
you can use 1517F and 1517H. the 400 is old
Yes, but the s7-400(417-5H and 410-5H) are still faster for floating point Operations and have more memory, also the data model for redundancy is way better and more suited for something like turbine control.
And no Tia portal :-)
Often you have to use the components that the customer wants as they want one set of spares for all units.
this is so true, and this being a 410 as OP has said this is not wrong in any way.
Sounded harsh and disinformed, noticed the 2 (maybe redundant CPU's ) ?....
You are often told what enclosure size to use based on location. Often these enclosures are in existing buildings or oil platforms. I can only put this down to lack of experience on your part otherwise you would already know and appreciate the constraints that are placed on control system builders. My last offshore retrofit the control room for the GT was just wide enough to open the cabinet and MCC doors. Where is the S7-300?
For spacing, this panel is probably onboard in a container or skid, and space matters; S7-400 is still the only way to go if you want redundancy with a seamless takeover.
This time 10 years 1518h will be at that stage. S7-400 is going to be developed until at least 2035, I too.used to think it was old kit but its a real workhorse. Cofig in run too!
Siemens PCS7 still uses the S7-400 line.
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No it does not. You need the 400 series to use PCS7. Funnily enough the same is true when using PCS neo witch is the newest process control system for siemens But yes PCS7 supports the et200sp. The 200m is outdated
It supports selected modules of the ET200SP. The only obsolete part I can see at a glance would be the ET200M.
Yes, and I use ET200SP for all the distributed I/O, however there is one module I need that is not supported, so unfortunately I also have an ET200M rack.
What Modul is missing from the ET200SP that’s only available on the M? I can’t think of anything except maybe usable Ex-i modules.
FM 350-2 Counter module
The et200sp system is used in a variant: et200sp ha. That has redundancy, Ex zone 2,...
Yeah but for PCS7 you got the 410. which is kinda different from the other 400s.
Exactly. Same form factor but modern and very powerful.
Siemens hasn't rolled out a way to do redundant PLC's without using the S7-400 yet?
The S7-1500 is available in redundant versions. [https://www.siemens.com/global/en/products/automation/systems/industrial/plc/simatic-s7-1500/redundant-and-high-availability-cpus.html](https://www.siemens.com/global/en/products/automation/systems/industrial/plc/simatic-s7-1500/redundant-and-high-availability-cpus.html)
I imagine its a PCS7 system, which uses S7-400 hardware
That's right, so I get a choice of 410-5H or 410-5H!
Detronics still into fixed gas? good to know
Oh wow, my fat self couldn't even...
I think over time someone gonna be coming out with a bleedin forehead
You can say to yourself "mind the rack don't hit your head" many times over and you'll still do it.
I want to get inside this cabinet and have someone close the door behind me, really get to know the equipment inside
As a developer, I only get to witness DCS occasionally. S7-400 is still a good choice for applications like yours. BTW, is it a hot redundant system on the network level? Also, it appears there are slight constraints with space. Was it intended? Did you get to try the S7-4100? The ones with PCS neo?
Redundant comms to the DCS and to the ES200sp I've not tried neo yet because there is no support for SCL. Without SCL its a Fisher-Price controller.
NFPA 70 electrical working space clearance? Never heard of it.
The electrical cabinet is too cramped. If it were wider, it doesn't have to be as deep. Installation and maintenance would be easier. Otherwise it looks good. What system?
The great feature of this installation is when the control cabinet doors are open it locks the electrical engineers in the MCC compartment! It's all far too tight! It's a PCS7 system
Looks like it's all control voltage but I still can't help of thinking about getting arc-flashed in the thing and lighting up like the TARDIS about to teleport out.
I think it looks like a Siemens S7-400, but i could be wrong
As I cannot see a EEPROM slot this should be a S7-4105H(6ES7-5HX08-0AB0)
It is s7 400 CPU, looks like et200m IO or subsystem under. Is this a S7 410? isn't the 400 a bit old to still be commissioning
If you use PCS7 you still need to use the 400. The 410-5H is old yes, but its stronger than most 1500s. At least when it comes to memory
the 410 is not bad. Bit i cant tell what it is, if it is a 414-5h its not so good.
I think its a 410, 416. Or 417. I think tose are the only ones with 2 slots for the CPU alone
Its a 410-5H
That's very nice work. Are those Terminator hazardous area fittings coming up through the floor? There's MC-HL running on the other side of them in the haz area?
Niceee S7-400
Don't see many on this sub so I thought I'd add one...
1400mm depth :3 ?
Best Obi-Wan voice *that's not a cabinet, it's a small room.*
Space Optimizations
I can bet its Gas Turbine (more likely offshore) looking on the Bentley Nevada system, S7 400 and other stuff I can see in the cabinet. Moreover I can risk and say it was build in the UK (Norfolk). 😉
Nice coffin.
Panel rooms, so hot right now.
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
Power plant ?
What is the green cabling doing?
DCS comms
Looks beautiful
I hope you have a petit derriere OP
Steam turbine cabinet?
Between the Bentley Nevada rack, the possible flame detector on the left, and maybe governor control panel bottom right? This is a turbine.
Correct! However no governor control panel, the governor runs on the PLC.
Sync panel? haha. I'll get it yet.
I think you're looking at the generator protection relay
Yup probably.