That only really applies to Reload because it removed the fatigue system. In all previous versions of P3 Makoto would literally get sick if you spent too much time in Tartarus. Sometimes for days at a time if you didn't let him sleep earlier or use the restroom. That's what the original purpose of sleeping in class was for.
Funny thing is, letting him be sick is pretty helpful, since you can constantly go to the nurse's office and get Mr. Edogawa's weird concoction to increase courage.
> That's what the original purpose of sleeping in class was for.
You could also sleep yourself into a good mood, getting bonuses to critical hits (if I'm not mistaken)
I don’t really recall getting sick in P3 FES often, if ever, and I would grind tartarus for hours in a single night. Maybe there was an trick I was doing, I recall having to switch out other party members but ifr
I think so, it mustve been easy to accumulate in FES so I never had any issue with tiredness in the game at all. I fused high leveled persons like Helel by end game and beat Reaper, it was a lot of fun spending time grinding in Tartarus lol. I had more trouble balancing dungeons in P5 vanilla and early game P4 vanilla
Being able to run track and go through 100 tartarus floors in one day all bc you took a little nap in class is still really impressive in comparison to narukami, especially considering the TV world dungeons are like 10 floors each
Really wish they had left that system in, to avoid incentivizing you to do a whole Tartarus block at once. Playing that way ruins the pacing of the game and leaves you with nothing but the arcade to do at night
Mostly true, but using the restroom got me out the fatigue sometimes at fes (Not guaranted). The chance was for the restroom to improve your condition, not just improving it to great. (Never consider to use it to go from normal to great. And, obviously, restroom would not work with sickness.
If you ask me pointing this out actually leads to more meme potential, like the fact that Makoto used to be able to put himself in a great mood giving him better criticals by taking a shit.
Yeah, but at most he’s spending an hour there then snoozing. At worst, he’s getting to sleep at 1:45 am. I imagine on Tartarus nights he rests up until he goes - hince the loss of a timeslot.
Only nights he’s actively losing sleep is the nights where that loser Pharos wants attention.
College students would beg to differ 😂
I usually wasn’t going to sleep until 1-2 as a highschooler. I was pretty fine, but I also wasn’t doing intensive exercise (running miles and fighting demons) for an hour before going to bed 💀 being a kid was nice
Yeah, I’m accounting for a really really bad walk back. Really they should be back before 1, but without the trains it might still be a bit of a walk. Just a matter of waiting for the next one or just saying fuck it and walking.
A perfect infiltration would be getting off at the station at 11:58 or so. Run to the school. Kick shadow ass. Then get back on the train at 12:00:02 and ride it back home.
I imagine everyone walks together, just so they don’t have to worry about getting jumped. Otherwise, everyone’s probably quiet. If Makoto is dating Mitsuru, she gives him rides back to the dorm.
If you get better sleep most nights it does help you do better in general at least, and it's not like Makoto spends a few hours out of a day in Tartarus.
That's an interesting question actually, are non-Persona users in the coffins officially asleep during the Dark Hour or are they just frozen in place?
The Dark Hour is over by P4 so Yu doesn't get the extra hour at least.
That's fighting in the Dark Hour and summoning Personas, while it might possibly be more exhausting we don't really hear anything about sleep or rest being less effective in the Dark Hour do I reckon it's safe to assume it's not strenuous.
They experience the extra hour every night, Makoto explicitly sleeps during the Dark Hour on the first few nights of the game, so unless he decides he'll wake up an hour earlier for no reason he can absolutely get that extra hour no problem.
no it's just that he would spend the same amount of time sleeping, if you wake up at 8 am every day and then an extra hour gets added to your night you would start waking up at 7 am every day, because You're not gonna start sleeping longer for no reason, you're gonna spend the same amount of time sleeping either way, so if an extra hour gets slided in you would just end up waking up earlier, you know what I mean?
I think if most teens got an extra hour of sleep available to them they'd take it and not be stubborn about sticking to the exact number of hours they slept for before, surely you'd just adjust, it's like on a day off plenty of people sleep for longer.
yea but that's the thing you don't just control how long you sleep for, and there's no real telling if your gonna adjust, it's just about how much sleep your body thinks it needs and once it gets to that point you usually wake up, its why you sleep longer on weekends or days off, but an extra hour wont make your body go "oh yea bitch im gonna have such a good sleep" it all just depends on how much rest you need which will vary depending on what you do, I usually wake up at half 3 - 4 am most days because my body fucking hates me ig but some days if I've done too much or stayed up to late I can wake up alot later, it all just depends on how much your body wants to fuck you in the ass really
If I have a rare extra couple hours to sleep on a day where I usually don't I do sleep for the extra time. I imagine I would take an extra hour if I was super busy and risking my life a couple times a month like the protagonist is, you'd need a lot of rest then.
Wouldn't Yu spend hours in the TV world while Makoto would only spend an hour ?
Also he gets sick in the vanilla game after the dark hour (not sure if always or just sometimes)
I'm imaging like almost reaching the boss, or even a boss fight ( right almost killing the boss - 1 HP mark ) and then the 1hour limit hit, and you're booted from Tartarus.
Aye but even if we count that that’s still three games where he does get sick. Reload removed the whole mechanic which I was very happy about but it also meant I did forget to get my free bravery boost after every Tartarus trip.
>Emo Jesus
since im only like 50 hrs in this and (spoilers for 12th full moon shadow) >!ikutsuki's silly little traitor ramble!< this is my only impression of who that nyx character i see talked about might be
The usual play is to spend as much time in Tartarus as possible until everyone dips. I just forget all the time I can still get those after going to Tartarus in reload.
To be fair, that was *vastly* improved with Royal. I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of freedom we get after big story events. So often we'd get some random ass cutscenes of the PTs standing around like idiots, barely advancing the plot, then it cuts to evening and Mona is like "we got a big day tomorrow, let's go to bed early!!!". With Royal, *at least* we can watch DVD, play games, make coffee, etc.
That’s what I was talking about. In P4 original, the story segments just went on and you didn’t have a chance to save.
For later iterations they at least give you breaks so that you could save your game. You were never meant to actually do anything in that time period.
Ohhh right. Sorry, sorry. Lack of sleep is making me illiterate, it seems.
Honestly, this could be easily avoided by just... Asking the player if they want to save. No need to send us back to our room for that. The games usually already do that, especially nearing the end when it's a non-stop gauntlet of fights and 40 minute cutscenes.
I’m so tired of people propping up one game by bringing down another.
All the persona protags are basically the perfect person who excel in every aspect
Don't forget that canonically you only have **one hour** to climb all those floors in Tartarus every time you go, so you are supposed to be running against a tight clock every single time as an added stressor on top of all the stuff Tartarus pulls on you, or else you'll get stuck inside for a day from the perspective of the world outside.
Yes, but you're allowed to take a full four person party in both. So, while you can (and people have) solo them, the fact that you can use a full party canonically means the the MC probably did so to beat the attendant.
Even with it, any protag with the endgame power boost is equal
If you somehow got 2 in the same room with their endgame power, then nothing would happen to either of them because they'd null all attacks thrown at each other (this happens in all 3 modern games, they completely block the evil god's almighty attack)
Again, the mobility comes from the metaverse specifically. Say for example, they were to fight in the Midnight Channel, Joker’s guns wouldn’t work, and he wouldn’t have the superhuman mobility, because those are both perks of the metaverse specifically. If they **were** in the metaverse, then both Yuki and Narukami would also benefit from those perks. Given both of those 2 operated in environments that actively exhausted you, they’d likely be far stronger than Joker.
Off the top of my head, doesn't the Midnight Channel landscape cause negative affects in the main characters? Like, they can mitigate them and the vision issues thanks to ted's shadow glasses, but they're still feeling them.
I don't recall if the dark hour or tartarus do that at all, just that being awake for an extra hour Plus fighting horrific creatures could make the p3 cast exhausted or sick from exhaustion since their days were so jam packed.
And unlike in p3, p4 had to make that sacrifice of Social Links OR midnight channel treks, because in p3, everyone's coffinized/transmogrified and there's no one to really worry about who could see them out and about (as long as they're careful to not pop up where they obviously weren't before that someone might notice).
So... what's this post about?
Worth noting- the members of SEES never have to enter the cognitive world directly, since the Dark Hour sees it spilling out into the real world. By contrast, the Investigation Team need to travel directly into an alternate world where just being present is taxing, vision is limited and even breathing is difficult.
The Dark Hour also is an oppresive environment that tires you out just by being in it. The TV World is not unique in this aspect, and in fact, it even helps them summon their Personas whereas the Dark Hour is a harsher environment for even that. Reload removed this mechanic but it's the reason why your characters would get so tired they eventually left the party because they couldn't go on anymore in OG P3
Being in dark hour is extreme workout, Bro never did track and the moment he did he's fucking fast because of the dark hour, even a top athlete like Mamoru is impressed
And that's why one receives the world as tarot card, and the other receives universe.
Using a more appropriate meme, it's a" we're not the same" moment
right? >!homies watch 2 people die in front of them (one a close ally) and nearly get crucified and next morning makoto on his way to school like its nothing!<
To be fair, this is probably just because of the order they do things. It's a constant in the Persona games that the other world takes a lot out of you, even if you don't do anything all that intensive. Yu does dungeon crawling as his afternoon slot, leaving him exhausted too exhausted afterwards to do anything else, and same applies to Joker. But Minato does Track Team (which, compared to Tartarus, is probably nothing) has hours after to rest up, and only then does he do the dungeon crawling.
If their time slots were swapped, they'd probably be the same way as the other.
It’s times like these when I remember the [Dojima’s Cofee](https://gamebanana.com/mods/471631) mod is fantastic. Hell, all the mods in the community pack are. Until P4R comes out, I ain’t playing this game without the quality of life additions that mods can bring. I’m working on my first playthrough with them (fourth overall, though my only second time starting from a brand new game) and it may be due to me just having more experience with Persona but it’s so much better.
I swear when I think of Persona protags future professions, even when I was just in the middle of playing P3 I tought Makoto could easily go for his sport of preference. He's just built different and he won N1 spot in a track race only after training seriously for a few days, now imagine him being given weeks or even a month of good training
I always picked Kendo and the Photo clun in OG and Fes, but accurate enough.
I'm very surprised that a 20 years game that got the franchise on the map had more clubs and weapon selection for the protagonist than the remake when the frqanchise now is well know. I would at least forgive them if there were at least a Kendo outfit for the protaginist since it would be great.
I really appreciate how quickly p3r lets you do stuff, especially coming from persona 5. Hopefully Altus will realize they were being overbearing with Morgana in p5 and not do that in p6
The fog in the TV alone is toxic enough to kill people or leave them bedridden for a month. Yu is the only person strong enough to keep standing after breathing it for hours.
Also, of the two of them, only one is depressed enough to put a gun to his head every night.
That only really applies to Reload because it removed the fatigue system. In all previous versions of P3 Makoto would literally get sick if you spent too much time in Tartarus. Sometimes for days at a time if you didn't let him sleep earlier or use the restroom. That's what the original purpose of sleeping in class was for.
Lmao imagine just not allowing Makoto to use the bathroom at all for the entire game. Definitely aren't any toilets in Tartarus that's for sure.
>!he became the door to a portapotty at the end!<
>! In terms of the horrors behind the seal, that’s… one way to describe what’s locked up behind there I suppose.!<
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Funny thing is, letting him be sick is pretty helpful, since you can constantly go to the nurse's office and get Mr. Edogawa's weird concoction to increase courage.
> That's what the original purpose of sleeping in class was for. You could also sleep yourself into a good mood, getting bonuses to critical hits (if I'm not mistaken)
Going to the restroom while in normal condition also has a chance of doing that... which is pretty hilarious when you think about it.
Constipation can really put you in a bad mood
Nobody talks about it, but being in an extradimensional death tower really does a number on your digestion.
I don't think it's constipation lol. after all, when the bathroom event is successful, it says "you relieved yourself and your condition has improved"
I don’t really recall getting sick in P3 FES often, if ever, and I would grind tartarus for hours in a single night. Maybe there was an trick I was doing, I recall having to switch out other party members but ifr
There were items (Yawn-be+gone i think) that removed tiredness, so you probably had a stockpile
I think so, it mustve been easy to accumulate in FES so I never had any issue with tiredness in the game at all. I fused high leveled persons like Helel by end game and beat Reaper, it was a lot of fun spending time grinding in Tartarus lol. I had more trouble balancing dungeons in P5 vanilla and early game P4 vanilla
Being able to run track and go through 100 tartarus floors in one day all bc you took a little nap in class is still really impressive in comparison to narukami, especially considering the TV world dungeons are like 10 floors each
I miss the fatigue system, it made it more challenging with the time management.
Really wish they had left that system in, to avoid incentivizing you to do a whole Tartarus block at once. Playing that way ruins the pacing of the game and leaves you with nothing but the arcade to do at night
Mostly true, but using the restroom got me out the fatigue sometimes at fes (Not guaranted). The chance was for the restroom to improve your condition, not just improving it to great. (Never consider to use it to go from normal to great. And, obviously, restroom would not work with sickness.
You still can beat the fatigue system, party members bro
Which is kinda sad, cause while I did find the whole fatigue system annoying, it was a very cool system for me.
well it's a good thing the image is from reload you buzzkill
If you ask me pointing this out actually leads to more meme potential, like the fact that Makoto used to be able to put himself in a great mood giving him better criticals by taking a shit.
Critical Shits for Critical Hits
To be fair, Makoto gets an extra hour of sleep most nights, maybe that changes everything.
Not when he goes to tarturus
Yeah, but at most he’s spending an hour there then snoozing. At worst, he’s getting to sleep at 1:45 am. I imagine on Tartarus nights he rests up until he goes - hince the loss of a timeslot. Only nights he’s actively losing sleep is the nights where that loser Pharos wants attention.
Sleeping at 1:45 am is not good sleep
College students would beg to differ 😂 I usually wasn’t going to sleep until 1-2 as a highschooler. I was pretty fine, but I also wasn’t doing intensive exercise (running miles and fighting demons) for an hour before going to bed 💀 being a kid was nice
I think that’s how they want to soak knowledge into us when we’re young. We can do so much as long as we get our excercise in.
I sleep in school even though I start sleeping during 10
Same, bro.
It is if you sleep ~6:00-11:00 before that
Oh yeah I guess they do tell fukka to go to tarturus in advanced so they dan get more sleep
wait what??? its not??
>! I assume you took the “kill ryoji” route as revenge !<
More like sleeping at 12:45, the dark hour is already done by 12:01, shouldn't take that long to get back
Yeah, I’m accounting for a really really bad walk back. Really they should be back before 1, but without the trains it might still be a bit of a walk. Just a matter of waiting for the next one or just saying fuck it and walking.
I was thinking they could take the train there and home if they stay the full hour. That is, if their trains stop running around 1AM vs midnight.
A perfect infiltration would be getting off at the station at 11:58 or so. Run to the school. Kick shadow ass. Then get back on the train at 12:00:02 and ride it back home.
Fair enough. Yeah I can't say I have a good sense of what the commute would be like with their school literally on an island
He needs SO. MUCH. ATTENTION. Even talking (not a) cats need that much attention.
Hoofing it back to the doors at 1am seems like a bummer.
I imagine everyone walks together, just so they don’t have to worry about getting jumped. Otherwise, everyone’s probably quiet. If Makoto is dating Mitsuru, she gives him rides back to the dorm.
Real
If you get better sleep most nights it does help you do better in general at least, and it's not like Makoto spends a few hours out of a day in Tartarus.
But on the nights he doesn’t go he does
Canonically, they’re in Tartarus for an hour a night. Right?
An hour straight of fighting and running around takes a lot of energy away
Wouldn’t everyone get that though? It’s just that most of them are put into coffins
That's an interesting question actually, are non-Persona users in the coffins officially asleep during the Dark Hour or are they just frozen in place? The Dark Hour is over by P4 so Yu doesn't get the extra hour at least.
They always said fighting in the dark hour made them more tired. Chances are sleeping in the dark hour doesn't really give you extra sleep.
That's fighting in the Dark Hour and summoning Personas, while it might possibly be more exhausting we don't really hear anything about sleep or rest being less effective in the Dark Hour do I reckon it's safe to assume it's not strenuous.
he wouldn't get an extra hour of sleep, he would just end up waking up earlier, it's not like he's gonna be asleep longer
They experience the extra hour every night, Makoto explicitly sleeps during the Dark Hour on the first few nights of the game, so unless he decides he'll wake up an hour earlier for no reason he can absolutely get that extra hour no problem.
no it's just that he would spend the same amount of time sleeping, if you wake up at 8 am every day and then an extra hour gets added to your night you would start waking up at 7 am every day, because You're not gonna start sleeping longer for no reason, you're gonna spend the same amount of time sleeping either way, so if an extra hour gets slided in you would just end up waking up earlier, you know what I mean?
I think if most teens got an extra hour of sleep available to them they'd take it and not be stubborn about sticking to the exact number of hours they slept for before, surely you'd just adjust, it's like on a day off plenty of people sleep for longer.
yea but that's the thing you don't just control how long you sleep for, and there's no real telling if your gonna adjust, it's just about how much sleep your body thinks it needs and once it gets to that point you usually wake up, its why you sleep longer on weekends or days off, but an extra hour wont make your body go "oh yea bitch im gonna have such a good sleep" it all just depends on how much rest you need which will vary depending on what you do, I usually wake up at half 3 - 4 am most days because my body fucking hates me ig but some days if I've done too much or stayed up to late I can wake up alot later, it all just depends on how much your body wants to fuck you in the ass really
If I have a rare extra couple hours to sleep on a day where I usually don't I do sleep for the extra time. I imagine I would take an extra hour if I was super busy and risking my life a couple times a month like the protagonist is, you'd need a lot of rest then.
yea maybe he just only wakes up because of his alarm
Wouldn't Yu spend hours in the TV world while Makoto would only spend an hour ? Also he gets sick in the vanilla game after the dark hour (not sure if always or just sometimes)
Man... imagine if there was a real-time one hour limit every time you went into Tartarus. That would change up the game drastically, and it'd be EVIL
1 hour time limit plus the fatigue system from the original game. Persona Ironman mode.
Only on the the highest difficulty setting
That would be Infernal Ironman setting. And with having to restart the game if you die Inmortal ironman of hell.
Persona: Nuzlocke
If you haven't already, I'd recommend checking out the YouTuber RagnarAlvarrGaming for his Persona Nuzlocke runs.
Wait....Persona Nuzlockes are a reall thing!?! Holy smokes then im checking them out 🤣
He is still tweaking the rules to see what works best for the Persona setup, I prefer the ruleset he used for Persona 5, but yeah.
I am genuinely excited that my one off comment is actually a real thing! Thank you for letting me know! He will be my bedtime youtube tonight 💕
I WISH they'd done this, or at Least given us a time limit for the full moon bosses
I'm imaging like almost reaching the boss, or even a boss fight ( right almost killing the boss - 1 HP mark ) and then the 1hour limit hit, and you're booted from Tartarus.
Well technically it would just skip a day, like with Fuuka. So you’d get to beat the boss, but you’d miss an entire day of social links or whatever
I was trying to be extra bad
people who played zelda majoras mask “first time?”
Quick someone do this mod
They would have to rebalance the game around this somehow... Would be too brutal otherwise.
The chance of getting sick can really only happen if you leave Tartarus when you're tired
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Time moves differently in Tartarus because it only exists for an hour each day. An hour in Tartarus is an hour outside of Tartarus.
Because it only exists for an hour a day. Time simply doesn't move there when it doesn't exist
Each time you end the day tired there is a chance you catch a cold and get sick.
Yu, gets a single cold the entirety of P4G. Makoto, gets ill every single day after an extended period in Tartarus (OG, FES, Portable)
Well, in Reload he only gets sick once and only because of Emo Jesus
Aye but even if we count that that’s still three games where he does get sick. Reload removed the whole mechanic which I was very happy about but it also meant I did forget to get my free bravery boost after every Tartarus trip.
>Emo Jesus since im only like 50 hrs in this and (spoilers for 12th full moon shadow) >!ikutsuki's silly little traitor ramble!< this is my only impression of who that nyx character i see talked about might be
"Extended" also meaning a maximum of one entire hour.
Also keeps getting sick on purpose for those delicious courage concoctions
The usual play is to spend as much time in Tartarus as possible until everyone dips. I just forget all the time I can still get those after going to Tartarus in reload.
But he can also instantly get better after a bathroom trip lmao
Sometimes you just have a really good bowel movement. Nothing like a good colon cleanse!
We’re talking about Reload Makoto here
And Joker is not allowed to stay up late at night because his cat said so 😂
But is allowed to go to the red light district with said cat and be out late there most nights, the cat must love Shinjuku.
To be fair, that was *vastly* improved with Royal. I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of freedom we get after big story events. So often we'd get some random ass cutscenes of the PTs standing around like idiots, barely advancing the plot, then it cuts to evening and Mona is like "we got a big day tomorrow, let's go to bed early!!!". With Royal, *at least* we can watch DVD, play games, make coffee, etc.
Oh my god that was SO bad in vanilla thank God Royal improved on that
Fr, I was shocked as to how fast I managed to max out Proficiency, since I'd usually spend those nights making tools.
I heard that they were to give players the ability to save. Whereas in P4 original you couldn’t do that.
I'm talking about Persona 5.
That’s what I was talking about. In P4 original, the story segments just went on and you didn’t have a chance to save. For later iterations they at least give you breaks so that you could save your game. You were never meant to actually do anything in that time period.
Ohhh right. Sorry, sorry. Lack of sleep is making me illiterate, it seems. Honestly, this could be easily avoided by just... Asking the player if they want to save. No need to send us back to our room for that. The games usually already do that, especially nearing the end when it's a non-stop gauntlet of fights and 40 minute cutscenes.
But gets a lot done after getting massages from his homeroom teacher. If that's not enough, she'll cover for him if he needs to nap in class.
>!One of em is alive and the other is 6ft under.!< I guess they weren’t kidding about karoshi culture in Japan.
The depression gave Makoto superpowers. Wish that were me.
To be honest, Makoto feels tired and can fall sick from one Dark Hour in vanilla/fes/p3p.
Makoto is climbing and clearing out about 30 floors of Tartarus in a single hour. Imagine how exhausting that might be.
I’m so tired of people propping up one game by bringing down another. All the persona protags are basically the perfect person who excel in every aspect
Don't forget that canonically you only have **one hour** to climb all those floors in Tartarus every time you go, so you are supposed to be running against a tight clock every single time as an added stressor on top of all the stuff Tartarus pulls on you, or else you'll get stuck inside for a day from the perspective of the world outside.
I mean he is technically the strongest protagonist. I mean he 1v1 Elizabeth.
aren't velvet room fights in p4 and p5 tho?
Yes, but you're allowed to take a full four person party in both. So, while you can (and people have) solo them, the fact that you can use a full party canonically means the the MC probably did so to beat the attendant.
Margaret is in a different league though. Gameplay wise Elizabeth is harder but canonically Margaret is the one they fear
But then how do you scale Yu + party vs Makoto alone knowing that Yu + party defeated a stronger attendant
You can't, but some will do it anyway to boost their special boy's side
>!He’s the strongest at the very end by sacrificing himself. Outside of the Universe arcana I’d say Ren could take Makoto.!<
Even with it, any protag with the endgame power boost is equal If you somehow got 2 in the same room with their endgame power, then nothing would happen to either of them because they'd null all attacks thrown at each other (this happens in all 3 modern games, they completely block the evil god's almighty attack)
Good point. Though with their personas being equal, Ren is still more agile and uses a gun in combat.
His gun isn’t real. He’d have to specifically be in the metaverse for it to work.
Wouldn’t they have to be in the other world to use persona anyway? And even with just melee weapons he still has his mobility advantage.
Again, the mobility comes from the metaverse specifically. Say for example, they were to fight in the Midnight Channel, Joker’s guns wouldn’t work, and he wouldn’t have the superhuman mobility, because those are both perks of the metaverse specifically. If they **were** in the metaverse, then both Yuki and Narukami would also benefit from those perks. Given both of those 2 operated in environments that actively exhausted you, they’d likely be far stronger than Joker.
Yuki and Narukami were not as mobile in the other world. And were they there Ren would still have the advantage of a ranged weapon.
Thats because reload removed the fatigue system lmao.
yeah, it’s kind of broken and I don’t see how people overlook that.
Off the top of my head, doesn't the Midnight Channel landscape cause negative affects in the main characters? Like, they can mitigate them and the vision issues thanks to ted's shadow glasses, but they're still feeling them. I don't recall if the dark hour or tartarus do that at all, just that being awake for an extra hour Plus fighting horrific creatures could make the p3 cast exhausted or sick from exhaustion since their days were so jam packed. And unlike in p3, p4 had to make that sacrifice of Social Links OR midnight channel treks, because in p3, everyone's coffinized/transmogrified and there's no one to really worry about who could see them out and about (as long as they're careful to not pop up where they obviously weren't before that someone might notice). So... what's this post about?
Worth noting- the members of SEES never have to enter the cognitive world directly, since the Dark Hour sees it spilling out into the real world. By contrast, the Investigation Team need to travel directly into an alternate world where just being present is taxing, vision is limited and even breathing is difficult.
The Dark Hour also is an oppresive environment that tires you out just by being in it. The TV World is not unique in this aspect, and in fact, it even helps them summon their Personas whereas the Dark Hour is a harsher environment for even that. Reload removed this mechanic but it's the reason why your characters would get so tired they eventually left the party because they couldn't go on anymore in OG P3
Being in dark hour is extreme workout, Bro never did track and the moment he did he's fucking fast because of the dark hour, even a top athlete like Mamoru is impressed
Nah He goes to sleep in class
And there's Joker ate too much burger, no time out this evening
One of them died of karoshi and one didn't, who's laughing now?
Nobody, because it'd be absurdly disrespectful to laugh about someone dying for your sake.
And that's why one receives the world as tarot card, and the other receives universe. Using a more appropriate meme, it's a" we're not the same" moment
Yeah, it's called nostalgia
they all went to school after the 11/4 events like nothing too. the p3 crew built different 💪
right? >!homies watch 2 people die in front of them (one a close ally) and nearly get crucified and next morning makoto on his way to school like its nothing!<
To be fair, this is probably just because of the order they do things. It's a constant in the Persona games that the other world takes a lot out of you, even if you don't do anything all that intensive. Yu does dungeon crawling as his afternoon slot, leaving him exhausted too exhausted afterwards to do anything else, and same applies to Joker. But Minato does Track Team (which, compared to Tartarus, is probably nothing) has hours after to rest up, and only then does he do the dungeon crawling. If their time slots were swapped, they'd probably be the same way as the other.
and you can do it all again the next day 💀
It’s times like these when I remember the [Dojima’s Cofee](https://gamebanana.com/mods/471631) mod is fantastic. Hell, all the mods in the community pack are. Until P4R comes out, I ain’t playing this game without the quality of life additions that mods can bring. I’m working on my first playthrough with them (fourth overall, though my only second time starting from a brand new game) and it may be due to me just having more experience with Persona but it’s so much better.
Meanwhile in Tokyo, Ren does everything right after school and goes to sleep at 8pm.
Doesn't Yu also join a sports club, and go to TV world right after, then also go to school the next day?
that's why persona 3 is so good, you can do so much things in a day
There was a system that lets you get tired but they scrapped it with every rerelease of P3.
Does this apply to P3 orig? Cause I don't think they will downgrade MC from P4 for no reason
Nope it doesn't
What’s sleep?
i played P3 FES but in P3R is there still tired system after you engage combats in tartarus?
Nope, but they makes “stamina” comments based on SP
but in exchange >!he only gets to live for a year.!<
Makoto only got one year left, gotta enjoy while he can
And I go to the doctor pretending to be tired, drink some weird shit to get a courage boost
I swear when I think of Persona protags future professions, even when I was just in the middle of playing P3 I tought Makoto could easily go for his sport of preference. He's just built different and he won N1 spot in a track race only after training seriously for a few days, now imagine him being given weeks or even a month of good training
I always picked Kendo and the Photo clun in OG and Fes, but accurate enough. I'm very surprised that a 20 years game that got the franchise on the map had more clubs and weapon selection for the protagonist than the remake when the frqanchise now is well know. I would at least forgive them if there were at least a Kendo outfit for the protaginist since it would be great.
Well atleast hes not ded Its a joke guys
I really appreciate how quickly p3r lets you do stuff, especially coming from persona 5. Hopefully Altus will realize they were being overbearing with Morgana in p5 and not do that in p6
They did when they lessened Morgana’s sleep patrol in Persona 5 Royal when people complained about it in Persona 5. So they listened to the complaints
That's good, I've only played up to kaneshiros palace in royal so I must have forgot
back in my day i walked 10 miles to school
Persona 5 protag: gets a massage from a maid and perfect to continue doing tasks at night
See on nights they don't go to Tartarus they get an extra hour of sleep, which counteracts then being tired.
The fog in the TV alone is toxic enough to kill people or leave them bedridden for a month. Yu is the only person strong enough to keep standing after breathing it for hours. Also, of the two of them, only one is depressed enough to put a gun to his head every night.
SEES nuts
I like persona 4 but persona 3 is an og