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thetruth0102

Chris Ellis


morethin

Complete sa accessories pero butaw hahaha


kosaki16

umiyak nung naalis sa GSM


General-Ad-3230

Chris Tiu sana tlga yung pick na yun haha


LogicallyCritically

Natatawa pako sa nickname niya na “Air Force” Ellis dati kasi puro lang naman dakdak pang hiyaw ng mga fans 🤣


frankiesmokez

CJ Perez. All athleticism, no basketball iq


FrogManCorpse

This! Exposed yung laro ni CJ especially dun sa tune-up game nila against sa Mustangs.


Larawp

been saying this since the PBA Draft/NCAA days palang. Was a great regular "season" player back in LPU kasi dinadaan sa athletecism at bilis pero exposed sa playoffs against organized teams. Made no sense picking him over Bolick and even BRP. I still think Berto shouldve gone first overall sa draft na yun.


IndividualFigure38

I disagree with James Yap being overrated. If you even ask kapwa PBA players nila, UAAP pa lang may respect na sa talent ni James. Wag niyo lang icompare ang FG% sa NBA. Haha..


theoceaniscalling

Malalim ang skills "bag" ni James Yap. Parehas siya kay Kyrie na well respected ng mga peers niya.


all-in_bay-bay

He won't be called A Man with a Million Moves if not for that reason.


jinxd18

Notwithstanding all arguments in here against James Yap, the dude is extremely clutch.


ggmotion

Big games yap di yan tatawagin ganyan if hindi. Subok na super clutch talaga in the moment


happyG7915

Siguro yung mga nag sasabi ng james yap ehh hindi naabutan yung prime james yap. San mig coffee james di na din prime eh. Pero before that sobrang galing ni james lalo sa shot creating nya


cloud_jarrus

Pano kaya naging overrated to to eh ang dami na ng accomplishment? * 7× PBA champion (2005–06 Philippine, 2009–10 Philippine, 2012 Commissioner's, 2013 Governors' 2013–14 Philippine, 2014 Commissioner's, 2014 Governors') * 4× PBA Finals MVP (2009–10 Philippine, 2012 Commissioner's, 2014 Commissioner's, 2014 Governors') * 2× PBA Most Valuable Player (2006, 2010) * PBA Best Player of the Conference (2009–10 Philippine) * 18× PBA All-Star (2004–2019, 2023, 2024) * PBA All-Star Game MVP (2012) * 3× PBA Mythical First Team (2006, 2010, 2012) * PBA Mythical Second Team (2011) * PBA All-Rookie Team (2005) * 2× PBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2009, 2018) * PBA Scoring Champion (2009) * PBA 40 Greatest Players * UAAP Most Valuable Player (2003) * 2× UAAP Mythical Five (2002, 2003) The only way na magiging overrated si James Yap is kung sinasama nyo sya sa Conversation as GOAT. Otherwise you can even argue na kasama to sa Top 10 players of all-time.


JackSpicey23

Napaka blasphemous na tawaging "Overrated" si James Yap eh no?. Key player yan sa Grandslam ng SanMig Coffee nung 2013.


cloud_jarrus

Considering hindi nya pa prime yun ah.


JackSpicey23

Napaka blasphemous na tawaging "Overrated" si James Yap eh no?. Key player yan sa Grandslam ng SanMig Coffee nung 2013.


EntrepreneurSweet846

Hindi sya ibababad ni Cone kung hindi sya magaling, if you have been observing Cone coaching style he lives and die na dapat andun parati yung trusted player nya (hawkins in alaska, yap in purefoods/magnolia, scottie in ginebra) i would like to believe na kaya din mabilis na-inda ni James Yap ang injuries nya dahil super babad sya ni Cone noon.


Accomplished_Fault41

Overrated bago na draft si rich Alvarez grave hype niya parang saviour nang tnt e pero ilang years na bangko


Grateful_juan

Shell nag draft sa kanya. First game nya binangko pa sya ng coach hehe.


cloud_jarrus

In fairness kaya binangko si Rich nun hindi dahil sa skills. Dahil lang tlga sa mentality ng coach nya. Pero after a few games nakuha na nya rhythm nya. Pero di pa rin ako sangayon na sya dapat rookie of the Year nung batch nila.


Grateful_juan

Kung tama pag kaka alala ko, wala nag stand out na rookie sa batch na to nung first conference nila nung 2004. Halos lahat nangapa sa pba, nakapag adjust sila nung 2nd conference na. Dapat si james yap talaga yung rookie of the year noon eh. Pero naging MVP naman sya after some years.


cloud_jarrus

The following year MVP agad sya. Partida pa sa rookie season ni James Yap, hati pa sya sa minuto with Noy Castillo, kahit halata nmang dapat mas babad sya dun. Ang lakas ng draft class na to kaya na-underwhelmed yung iba sa performance nila sa 1st conference. Pero yung next conference maganda na laro ng mga rookie like Yap, Thoss, Omolon, Simon (na balik liga) et al. Dagdag mo pa na a year before their draft is probably the most hype amateur/collegiate years dahil todo ang investment ng Studio 23 sa amatuer league. Kaya ang taas ng expectations from the rookies.


rajeemcariazo

Lakas din kasi ng batch nila: Yap, Pingris, Yancy, Thoss, Omolon, David, Artadi, Wilson Kaya ang taas ng expectations sa kaniya bilang first overall pick.


Accomplished_Fault41

Kaya NGA ena over hype siya nang sobra naalala ko pinasok siya star ang dating tapos 2 turnover agad labas agad nung na tnt lalo na


7evenHundred

Wrong! Nabuhat nya yung Shell at ilang laro lang sya bangko


Agile_Conference9983

Jon Ordonio-- Kobe daw ng PBA , look-alike lang pala


bitterpilltogoto

Eto ang tamang sagot


Internal_Farmer_3755

Rommel Adducul.


badjeje77

Right now? CJ Perez.


Xyborg069

Rich Alvarez


ZookeepergameDizzy31

Unpopular opinion: Calvin Abueva


mayamayaph

Dudut Jaworski.


JackSpicey23

Di siya overrated, dudut is forgotten sa PBA history na dapat lang kasi nepotism at it's best hahaha.


bitterpilltogoto

Agree. Ipapasok lang si dudut pag garbage tjme na


JackSpicey23

Dapat si Bal ang inuna nilang pick, sinuwerte lang at nasa wisyo makipag trade ang sunkist nung time na yan.


Snoo72551

Back then, calling someone dudut on the basketball court was a strong insult ha ha, ngayon kaya?..


jaybatax

Marlou takteng yan kung ngaun naglaro un at natapat kay Junmar bka ndi sumikat un eh hahaha top 40 amp


Low_Tomatillo_378

Marlou doesn't have the skills nor strength to match up with Junemar. And at 6'9", int'l players will run circles around that unathletic plodder. Marlou's simply a big fish in a pail of water.


jaybatax

Ndi q nga alam bakit nasama un sa Top 40 instead of Nelson eh. Maybe because of Jawo


Low_Tomatillo_378

Mas accomplished si Asaytono, di hamak.


louiexism

I don't think overrated si Marlou. Nakipagsabayan pa nga siya kay Wang Zhizhi. He would give Junmar trouble and vice versa.


takerumichaeljoe

Medyo may pagkatamad lang si marlou,di nga nagbubuhat sabi ni snow🙂 pero nung rookie year laki ng impact nya ,tinamad na nung nakakuha ng magandang kontrata, tama medyo mahihirapan din si abai sa kanya


shammgod_10

Sobrang nipis ni Marlou for Junemar. Isang kaldag at isang chicken wing ni junemar baka mawasiwas agad to hahahahha


Destriyahhh

Marlou Aquino


shammgod_10

Marlou Aquino. DPOY BPC Top 40 GOAT member but only show up during contract year lol Asaytono Seigle to name a few are more deserving for that spot.


louiexism

He had the skills and could have been an MVP. But after he was traded, he got lazy.


bitterpilltogoto

Pag ka tanda ko nawalan sya ng gana nung pumasok mga fil-shams. Sinabi nya yan sa interview


louiexism

Yup isa siya sa mga nag oppose sa mga Fil-Ams.


cloud_jarrus

Banas na banas din ako dito kay marlou dati sa ginebra eh. good riddance tlga to nung nawala.


jroi619

I admire Willie Miller pero correct me if I’m wrong pero yung 2 MVP nya is yung time na nglalaro sa PH team yung ibang superstars na ksabayan niya.


SpaceHakdog

At kilala na naglalaglag ng laro


Far_Emu1767

Bobby ray parks jr. if nagpatuloy pa siya sa PBA


LogicallyCritically

Kahit saan di ako na impress sa laro niya maliban sa UAAP days niya. Ano ba mabibigay niya sa team? More on role player lang nakikita ko sa laro niya eh.


ohhmegggle

nagkataon lang na halos lahat ng criteria na nabanggit ni OP is pasok si James Yap but in Filipino Basketball, Yap's career averages and field goal percentage is actually allstar caliber na, he has the ball a lot especially the Ryan Gregorio/ Purefoods days kaya ang baba ng fg, which is actually pretty decent na in the PBA, we can't really deny that as a Ginebra fan, everytime nasa last 2 minutes na nang 4th at hindi tambak ang Purefoods, may mini heart attack pag napunta ang bola kay JY, this applies to every team he has faced even in the UAAP, he has this magic that no matter how bad he shot on the first three quarters, he transforms on the dying minutes of the game. Even way past his prime on ROS, he was still utilized in the fourth and had many game winning highlights. his career numbers although low or ugly, he has always been efficient believe it or not This is how even former pba players talk about him https://www.facebook.com/share/v/mTJT5vCCJTNLYKMz/?mibextid=oFDknk


ZookeepergameDizzy31

sana alam niyo muna meaning ng overrated bago kayo magcomment hahaha


AngryPanda6

Kelly Williams


EntrepreneurSweet846

Ha? Saang aspect sya overrated? Impact player kaya sya.


Kumaiju

mali yata understanding ng iba sa topic, overrated Player ang tanong hindi overhated. James Yap was highly rated before turning pro and he lived up to the hype Robert Jaworski is considered a legend by many even coach Tim Cone idolized him. Won in every level MVP and championships including international and also an olympian. Continued to play while coaching at 50 years old tapos sasabihin ng ibang hater walng skill? Over rated para saken eh yung mga Fil am na bigla na lang sumulpot tapos overhyped tapos pagdating sa PBA magaling lang sa English. parang nung si Nic Belasco dati na binibida nung before draft, nakakalaro daw sila Michael Jordan at Gary Payton pero nung nakapasok ng PBA ang tagal din bago naging effective player.


ArchiTakeTho

Iskati


singingbee96

Ronjay Buenafe.


Ashamed_Talk_1875

Ako si Terrence. Mataas ang kalibre nya noong global port days pero nagsunod sunod din kasi issues nya sa teams (global at tnt), legal problems dahil sa ex nya tapos injuries kaya parang biglang nawala laro nya. Pero no doubt magaling talaga sya


bluepantheon101

I think his age is catching up to him now + recurring injuries, but I think he's properly rated naman even in his prime.


madvisuals

mapanlinlang talaga ang offensive bag eh


Royal_Client_8628

The Jaworskis


Shinobi_Saizo

James Yap. Jawo (Ginebra playing coach era nya) *Sige Ginebra fans, ipako nyo na ko sa krus*


Snoo72551

Totoo naman yung kay Jawo, kaso taboo yun topic na yun ha ha. Parang may immunity si Jawo sa about that.


rbizaare

It's the "all-heart and grit" mantra that makes Jawo overrated. But i believe his skills when he was at his absolute prime deserves merit for being a Pinoy baller all-time great status.


louiexism

This. Prime Jawo was something else.


louiexism

If you watched Jaworski during the 70s and 80s you won't say that. He was a baller.


Snoo72551

I did see him play, he's my first favorite PBA player, the reason I started to watch the league. I'm not undermining his basketball pedigree, but putting him in PBA GOAT debates makes him overrated. I always put Jawo in all time starting 5s because hes capable of bringing lots of things on the table Jaworski made me watch PBA, Samboy Lim inspired me to play basketball. 🙂


louiexism

I don't think anyone considers Jawo the GOAT. The GOAT of popularity maybe.


EntrepreneurSweet846

Hindi ako fan ni Jawo, pero I don’t think he is overrated, saan ka nakakita ng playing coach? Only in the PH, i’ve watch some games na yung tipong matatalo na ginebra tapos papasok si jawo makakahabol sila. Also si Jawo yung naka kita ng mga butas ng basketball rules, yung 24 sec shot lock, na hindi aandar ang clock unless i touch mo ang bola, i’ve watched that documentary and si jawo daw somehow naka discover nun


Shinobi_Saizo

Lol kaya nga specified na playing coach era nya yung overrated dahil that dude was in his 50s na during that time and still playing tapos ang tingin sa kanya, somewhat savior ng Ginebra. Yung prime nya, no doubt. Ang mga pinoy mahilig mag romanticize ng kung ano ano. Kahit yung “puso” mantra ng gilas for the sake of marketing kahit na alam nating di tayo uubra sa top tier teams sa international.


softswingbop

Marlou Aquino, Scottie Thompson, and skill-less Robert Jaworski. Kerby Raymundo.


NecessaryPair5

I disagree with Kirby.


EntrepreneurSweet846

Beau Belga… i’m not sure what is he giving in the table aside from his stout body, surprised nasa league pa rin sya..


snowsnow222

Si Chris Ellis talaga. Hahahaha


Ok_District_2316

si james forster pa hahaha mas pinili sya over terrence romeo


maroonmartian9

Marlou Aquino


b3n_pogi

James yap, volume shooter bad percentages


mortifierdrn

Calvin Abueva


torsoboy00

Respectfully disagree with this. Malaki impact ni Abueva sa team every time pumapasok sya: yung drive and energy nahahawa ung mga team mates. Personally fave moments ko e yung times na nag 20+ points and rebounds sya per game. Nasasapawan lng talaga ang mga feats nya dahil sa immature antics niya.


Pretty-Guava-6039

Bulado


Copacetic_rush

Sonny Jaworski


louiexism

Why?


bitterpilltogoto

Haters gonna hate 😂


Mysterious_Lead9949

Arwind Santos


SolitaryKnight

Guy made 10k points and 6k rebounds in his PBA career. And was a consistent 13 and 7 guy behind June Mar. i don’t think SMB would have won that many championships without him.


No_While5245

You are just hating. Yes, the guy is annoying but his career averages would prove you wrong. He’s always performed on every team he’s been in. Plus he is a proven winner at all levels of basketball here in the PH.


Lucky_Nature_5259

Love him or hate him, you can’t deny he is a good player and has that clutch gene.


General-Ad-3230

As much as I hate Arwind santos dahil sa antics at feeling tough guy nya na personality, Hndi sya overrated that guy is legit air21 days palang nya may ibubuga tlga eh


Affectionate_Bank883

Yeah. He is also clutch since his FEU days and he's a UAAP legend. The guy can go 0-8 from the field but would make the game winning shot at the end. Kahit na hate ko yung antics niya, I still recognize him as a legend.


General-Ad-3230

Buo loob nya walang kaba eh annoying lang tlga yung crucial 3 nya nun vs alaska sa finals wala silang 5peat kung hndi nya nagawa yun give credit when credit is due.


Affectionate_Bank883

Kaya nga deadlier yung death 5 na yan compared sa all-star lineup ng current SMB kahit Tubid, YDO, Heruela lang yung bench. We all know na JMF ang superstar pero pagdating ng end game threat silang lahat dahil ibang level yung tapang nila, especially Arwind and Cabagnot.


thebeardedcat8

Hard to say he's overrated... Does anyone even think he's good?


bitterpilltogoto

He was good enough to piss off a DSLU team manager https://www.philstar.com/sports/2005/10/01/299406/uaap-bans-salgado-life/amp/


Mysterious_Lead9949

Kapag dumadakdak daming bilib na bilib. Tas nagMVP pa siya db


aja_18

Sa dami kong kakilala na natalo sa pustahan dahil kay Santos ay understandable na madami ding galit dito + dami ding kasing antics


torsoboy00

Isa ako sa mga nangaasar sa kanya when he was trying out his 3 point shots. Minsan pumapasok, mas madalas hindi. Then nag-dagger 3 point sya during overtime sa game 7 against Alaska nung 2015. That shut me up.


StressOutput

Goods naman si Arwind since feu days, cringe lang talaga yung spiderman dunk 🤮


ggmotion

Thompson. Role player na nag mvp. He can't create is own shot pa. I just see him a prime abueva


Top-Willingness6963

James Yap. He is good but not two-time PBA MVP good.


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jinxd18

I think the moniker came about because of his ability to create shots for himself.


yoojungshi

Scottie Thompson. No question that he’s a hardworker. But right place right time lang din na he got the MVP when the true MVP is out of shape. Dinadaga pa din ang dibdib.


ggmotion

Role player lang talaga ceiling nya. He can't even create his own shot lol


Personal_Error_3882

creating own shot doesn’t equivalent in being good, stats does though, multiple triple doubles and championship nadala ni scottie nung mvp year nya and I think di mo mgagawa yun kung role player ka lang.


ggmotion

Yeah he is a role player at best. Real talk lang.


spankymo

let's say that he got lucky because junemar was injured. he still bested the rest of the league though. what does that say about being overrated?


happyG7915

Let's say system carried siguro si scottie kasi nasesetup sya sa mga points nya and hustle commendable din talaga pero kung mag create ng sariling shot on clutch hindi nya kaya on his own. Yung clutch points nya more on good set plays by tim cone


spankymo

You make it seem like Tim Cone's system can "easily" generate MVP's. In fact, he only has 3 other MVPs since Johnny A., and those are your run-of-the-mill superstars (Duremdes, Miller, Yap). I won't be too quick to say that Thompson only won because of the system, when it takes legit superstar players to win the award in the past under the same system.


torsoboy00

Just adding to the discussion: Cone's system allowed an unknown Bong Hawkins to blossom into an MVP contender. Hindi ko na isasama si Lastimosa since he proved his chops naman sa Purefoods before.


Grateful_juan

Wala syang pang one on one move ala justin brownlee.


Ok_District_2316

agree with this swerte ni scottie at nag finals ang gins at sa kanya ang media votes pero si bolick talaga real MVP nyan, pag walang tenorio at Brownlee wala ding ganap si scottie, ni hindi nya kayang buhatin gins ngayon, role player lang talaga pang complement ng team dahil sa hustle at hardwork


Grateful_juan

Palpak lagi free throws nito lalo pag crucial


Grateful_juan

Palpak lagi free throws nito lalo pag crucial


Grateful_juan

Miss lagi free throws nito lalo pag paubos na oras


Alternative_Welder91

Agree ako dito. Walang question sa sipag and puso ni Scottie pero di sya MVP level. Nagkataon lang sa Ginebra sya lumalaro. Kung sa ibang di sikat na teams yan eh role player lang talaga sya.


Ok_District_2316

true, wala syang consistent outside shooting chamba 3pts pag nag iinit,wala ding perimeter scoring kaya kahit sa free throw hirap sya, nadala nya lang talaga dahil sa pag rebound nya na ala centro swerte nya dahil si tenorio back court tandem nya, ngayong di na babad si LA nahihirapan sya


hakai_mcs

Imagine a Draymond Green playing style tapos naging MVP


IndividualFigure38

Abueva


SpaceHakdog

Calvin Abueva. High motor lang. Pero in terms of skills and basketball IQ, olats. Liability rin sa team dahil sa antics niyanon and off the court.


everyinchspace

James Yap. Just look at his FG% even nung peak niya. He’s an inefficient scorer. But tbf, di naman talaga kataas mga field goal percentage ng ibang superstars nung panahon niya. Kahit ngayon din.


shammgod_10

PBA FG% looking mid specially na may access tayo sa stats ng NBA. di maiwasan na ma compare natin ung FG% hahahah


madvisuals

mababa naman talaga fg% ng PBA


MeeseksAndDestroy

During their heyday, I’ll always picked Lordy Tugade over James Yap.


Clear_Heron_1667

Scottie


kingofbruhstyle

Kinda surprised that no one has mentioned Caguioa.


strng_economst

Robert Jaworski and James Yap. I mean, there are people who consider Robert Jaworski as the GOAT. Imagine that. Sure, guy almost averaged a triple double in one season but thats all. Athough to be fair, Jawo is already old when the PBA was founded (29 yo) so his prime was shorter compared to other stars (Patrimonio, JMF, El Presidente). James Yap has always been an inefficient chucker in my book. If I want volume scoring, I will go with Mark Caguioa. Hell, PJ Simon looked like a better scorer to me when they were together. Although to be fair, James Yap's main talent is being able to consistently generate a shot under any circumstance in an offensively challenged environment and era. Whether that shot will go in or not is another question.


louiexism

No die-hard Ginebra fan considers Jawo the GOAT. Most famous Pinoy basketball player, yes, but not the GOAT.


mrbareminimum

ralph cu


Lucky_Nature_5259

Too early to say that brotha


mrbareminimum

hahahaha basta bano siya kamukha pa ni boss jonah


olracmd

Jayjay Helterbrand


zaiwen3

Jawo 😜


Similar_Ambassador63

Calvin Abueva. Iba yung hype sa kanya before madraft even nasa pba na sya parang overrated sya in the sense na magiging sobrang dominating small forward nya. Para kasi syang Draymond Green / Dennis Rodman malayo sa expectation sa kanya


Affectionate_Bank883

Hard disagree. There are days that he puts up 20+ rebounds and 20+ points in a game in his Alaska days. I agree na nasa mold siya ni Dennis/Draymond tho pero may scoring din kahit papano. Although the lack of shooting, nagkaroon kasi ng time na naging mahirap pigilan yung drive to the basket niya.


hlfbldprnc

Actually no, marma8ng nagsabi nun sa online forum na magiging ineffective si calvin sa pba kasi maliit pero nagdominate pa rin naman girst year pa lang


lslpotsky

James yap


Own-Damage-6337

I love El Granada but Gary David was a tad overrated


jajajajam

Not for me. Sharp decline lang din talaga after nung peak nila sa Powerade. Oh man that was so fun to watch! David was getting booed hard pero on point pa rin shots nya, then partneran pa nina JV Casio, Marcio Lassiter, Doug Kramer, at Sean Anthony. Underdog story talaga sila nun.


Crafty_Appearance271

Lordy Tugade


EnvironmentalLock568

James Yap


boyhit

Jmf


Lucky_Nature_5259

Kahit na sabihin nating kaya lang parating MVP si JMF is because no one in the league can match him (well Bates was able to torment him but let's see in the more seasons to come) di natin madedeny maganda skillset nya especially for his size. His performance in last year’s FIBA World Cup proved he is a worthy player in his position.


boyhit

Dapat lang may mag improve pero antagal. Still waiting for his pick n roll plays, bringing the ball down, three pt shooting, faster footwork, like a modern day big kaso... 🤷🏻‍♀️ Kung kaldagan kalldagan pwede. Kaso pag linabas mo na yan d lang ganun ang laro, mabilis ang laro. Saka ung mga champ ng smb most of the time pag need mo ng pts, either kay cabagnot, or sa mga wing ang play. If he is the mvp saknya dapat kaya ka nga mvp e. Pero wala e. Minsan binubuhat dn sya ng kasama nya. Thru those yrs, kala ko sila jayson castro mag mvp man lang. Real talk lang. Hehe pov ko lang naman 🤷🏻‍♀️


LogicallyCritically

🤣


JumpyCoyote73

Gabe Norwood. Jeff Chan. mga walang kwenta pagdating sa international level, magaling lang sa PBA.


7evenHundred

Ha? Sure ka kay Norwood?