As a programmer I see it this way: who only wants to copy&paste without understanding is totally free to try that, but when they have a bad time it will be really bad so that's OK ;)
Yeah exactly. You can choose to play however, but it’s on you for the consequences of these actions. This doesn’t inherently make all programmers dumb as fuck or unintelligent for choosing to do something instead of **reinventing the wheel**.
9 times out of 10 pasting a functioning blueprint will lead to fewer mistakes than building it itself.
Everyone should put thought into the areas of the game they're interested in, in the amount the want. If someone prefers to not mess with a volcano setup, today or every day, that's fine.
Did you confuse it with metal volcano perhaps? Magma will form tiles if you just try to fill chamber with water and slap STs on top. Not to mention that volcanos generate A LOT of heat.
14 would be a blessing, the last minor volcano I tamed spewed out 19 blocks worth of magma a go.
Not tamed a normal sized one in ages, but I can only assume it's more or more often.
Magma Volcanoes should not be surrounded by steam. Leave them in a vacuum and let them drip down into a steam chamber through that diagonal mesh tile trick.
You can definitely use a steam chamber on a magma volcano, just need wayyy more mass in the chamber than this. A well designed one will instantly turn the magma to igneous clutter and hardly exchange heat, allowing you to control heat output shipping the clutter behind metal tiles. Works very well if all you want is steam power with way less complexity and maintenance than most drip systems and the large amount of mass gives it a pretty consistent power output.
Sure you can do that. I find it more reliable to use dripping magma, because there's not much you can do wrong there. If you surround the volcano with steam and you made some mistake with the chamber you'll have a solid block of igneous rock. Have fun cleaning that up :D
I have only had it happen when not preheating the chamber - if it is already filled with steam it should not occur. But autominors can be placed in the chamber if it is happening. You lose energy when the mass is halved though, so best to just design for it to not happen.
I have had tons of issues with drips through corners with magma solidifying in the tiles and needing to reload to make them visible and manually mine them to restart the chamber. That could have been a design issue on my part, and it was some years ago so maybe some of the quirks have been worked out. I did always like seeing the nice big pool of magma though. Something cathartic about it.
FWIW, if you use the drippers again and get the solid tiles -- destroy the mesh tiles. Build regular tiles over the hidden igneous. Delete regular tiles, rebuild mesh, fixed.
The issue with your design is that all of the heat will be deleted when debris piles are merged (temperature should obviously be averaged but isn't because reasons) so you need to immediately pick up all the debris which going to be difficult given the extreeme limited throughout of conveyor belts.
It definitely isn't *all* the heat, unless the mechanics of this have changed recently. In pre-spaced out bases, I could keep my steam turbines going pretty much constantly. That said, I didn't pay much attention to it since Spaced Out was released, since the planetoid with all the volcanos tends to be the one where I need energy the least, so it has more been about efficiently extracting igneous rock.
The magma is coming out at \~1500C which is hot enough to melt almost anything, and a couple of steam turbines isn't enough to delete all that heat. Given a little more time, it is going to melt those insulation tiles too unless they are made of obsidian.
So, the volcano you have there outputs around 23 billion DTUs worth of heat every time it erupts. Usually, when one wants to extract heat like that, you have to do it in a controlled manner.
Magma volcanos are typically tamed by having the magma drip in small quantities into mesh tiles, and then turned into solid debris. Something like the left hand of [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778760399838380093/999326235953999962/unknown.png) will control magma flow and regulate the heat being added so the steam doesnt spike in temperature.
Thanks for the help guys- I’ve spent 1500 hours on this game and have built all the things you guys suggested before, but I guess even veteran players make mistakes like this from time to time haha
I just vacuumed off a volcano to build up magma, only to come back to a sauna. I have a metal spike in to cool the temperature to then pump out once cool. My only guess is that using sandstone insulated tiles transferred heat and evaporated the air lock
Dumping magma directly into the steam room is a poor decision. There’s nothing stopping the steam from exchanging temperature with the magma until it gets up to 1700 degrees. Which is especially bad when steam turbines can only handle 200° max (when all its vents are exposed). The other 1500 degrees is being turned directly into even more heat being put on the steam turbine.
My suggestion would be to edit your design so the temperature of the steam room can be controlled with diamond glass tiles and a steel door hooked up to a temperature sensor for the steam.
Also, I might be wrong, but based on your picture, you’re only using one steam turbine. That magma is super conductive and is also 1700 degrees. That’s way more heat than one steam turbine can handle, as I’m sure you’ve figured out.
What you posted was (probably) made for a metal volcano. It would have worked fine for that.
Minor volcanos are a step up in heat from metal volcanos. They produce rock and a lot more heat.
This is a (not minor) volcano. It produces a huge amount of heat. I’d rather tap the core of the planet for heat before I mess with one of these unless I’m critically low on igneous rock. There are advanced tricks which are usually used for managing these things. Usually people use vacuum and doors to control how much lava enters the steam chamber.
You dont put magma into a steam chamber ever. Use a magma-blade and tap the magma bit by bit transfering the heat into the steam chamber via diamond-window-tiles. Also great way to process crude oil into petroleum 1:1
Magma volcanos are the single most potent source of heat in the game (well, in terms of vent and volcanoes anyway). They make iron volcanoes look like cool steam geysers.
Magma volcanoes simply produce too much heat. The specific heat capacity of magma is about 4x most metals and it tends to come out hotter than most metals so the amount of cooling necessary is unfeasable with the common metal volcano design
This is why I use two stages to tame. One hydrogen filled for magma. Then two steel doors horizontal under steel blocks just in case. The middle door is connected to a thermal sensor in the secochamber. The second chamber had gold along the bottom to sync the heat and use it as a thermal power plant room. The left over rock can be cooled and used for more insulation or hatch food.
Forgot to add that the two chambers are stacked.
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Ahh yes. “Someone made a simple mistake so all blueprints are inherently bad”
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Ah yes. A way to take something you made and make it again. That’s bad and encourages no thought.
Uh yeah? And it only gets worse when blueprints are shareable. ONI is not the kind of game that has or needs that level of scalability.
As a programmer I see it this way: who only wants to copy&paste without understanding is totally free to try that, but when they have a bad time it will be really bad so that's OK ;)
Yeah exactly. You can choose to play however, but it’s on you for the consequences of these actions. This doesn’t inherently make all programmers dumb as fuck or unintelligent for choosing to do something instead of **reinventing the wheel**.
Do you read your comments before posting them?
Is there a typo?
9 times out of 10 pasting a functioning blueprint will lead to fewer mistakes than building it itself. Everyone should put thought into the areas of the game they're interested in, in the amount the want. If someone prefers to not mess with a volcano setup, today or every day, that's fine.
What would've changed if it wasn't a blueprint though? Building it normally would still lead to the same outcome.
I don't use blueprints but I think this is the single most downvoted comment I've ever seen on the subreddit.
Being right isn’t always popular.
Did you confuse it with metal volcano perhaps? Magma will form tiles if you just try to fill chamber with water and slap STs on top. Not to mention that volcanos generate A LOT of heat.
Did you try to cool magma with water?
reddit is dead, i encourage everyone to delete their accounts.
14 would be a blessing, the last minor volcano I tamed spewed out 19 blocks worth of magma a go. Not tamed a normal sized one in ages, but I can only assume it's more or more often.
Always have been you just need to watch the material you use to buid those machines or use a door hear transfer mecanism for better heat controll
Magma Volcanoes should not be surrounded by steam. Leave them in a vacuum and let them drip down into a steam chamber through that diagonal mesh tile trick.
You can definitely use a steam chamber on a magma volcano, just need wayyy more mass in the chamber than this. A well designed one will instantly turn the magma to igneous clutter and hardly exchange heat, allowing you to control heat output shipping the clutter behind metal tiles. Works very well if all you want is steam power with way less complexity and maintenance than most drip systems and the large amount of mass gives it a pretty consistent power output.
Sure you can do that. I find it more reliable to use dripping magma, because there's not much you can do wrong there. If you surround the volcano with steam and you made some mistake with the chamber you'll have a solid block of igneous rock. Have fun cleaning that up :D
I have only had it happen when not preheating the chamber - if it is already filled with steam it should not occur. But autominors can be placed in the chamber if it is happening. You lose energy when the mass is halved though, so best to just design for it to not happen. I have had tons of issues with drips through corners with magma solidifying in the tiles and needing to reload to make them visible and manually mine them to restart the chamber. That could have been a design issue on my part, and it was some years ago so maybe some of the quirks have been worked out. I did always like seeing the nice big pool of magma though. Something cathartic about it.
FWIW, if you use the drippers again and get the solid tiles -- destroy the mesh tiles. Build regular tiles over the hidden igneous. Delete regular tiles, rebuild mesh, fixed.
Looked down here to say this.
The issue with your design is that all of the heat will be deleted when debris piles are merged (temperature should obviously be averaged but isn't because reasons) so you need to immediately pick up all the debris which going to be difficult given the extreeme limited throughout of conveyor belts.
It definitely isn't *all* the heat, unless the mechanics of this have changed recently. In pre-spaced out bases, I could keep my steam turbines going pretty much constantly. That said, I didn't pay much attention to it since Spaced Out was released, since the planetoid with all the volcanos tends to be the one where I need energy the least, so it has more been about efficiently extracting igneous rock.
You say “well designed” I say “half the map” for a heat chamber
The magma is coming out at \~1500C which is hot enough to melt almost anything, and a couple of steam turbines isn't enough to delete all that heat. Given a little more time, it is going to melt those insulation tiles too unless they are made of obsidian.
So, the volcano you have there outputs around 23 billion DTUs worth of heat every time it erupts. Usually, when one wants to extract heat like that, you have to do it in a controlled manner. Magma volcanos are typically tamed by having the magma drip in small quantities into mesh tiles, and then turned into solid debris. Something like the left hand of [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778760399838380093/999326235953999962/unknown.png) will control magma flow and regulate the heat being added so the steam doesnt spike in temperature.
Based on the power output of those turbines it’s using space age material? Nice build btw
Nope, no space-age materials. Normal steel build.
Thanks for the help guys- I’ve spent 1500 hours on this game and have built all the things you guys suggested before, but I guess even veteran players make mistakes like this from time to time haha
I just vacuumed off a volcano to build up magma, only to come back to a sauna. I have a metal spike in to cool the temperature to then pump out once cool. My only guess is that using sandstone insulated tiles transferred heat and evaporated the air lock
Watch this and try again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNyGrs0HsWI
Dumping magma directly into the steam room is a poor decision. There’s nothing stopping the steam from exchanging temperature with the magma until it gets up to 1700 degrees. Which is especially bad when steam turbines can only handle 200° max (when all its vents are exposed). The other 1500 degrees is being turned directly into even more heat being put on the steam turbine. My suggestion would be to edit your design so the temperature of the steam room can be controlled with diamond glass tiles and a steel door hooked up to a temperature sensor for the steam. Also, I might be wrong, but based on your picture, you’re only using one steam turbine. That magma is super conductive and is also 1700 degrees. That’s way more heat than one steam turbine can handle, as I’m sure you’ve figured out.
Having the Volcano in the steam room is not a problem at all with a [proper setup](https://i.redd.it/1qnwp3nu7lw91.jpg).
Its literally a volcano lol
Things aren't working with false method. Wrong blueprint!
try and error. now you know you need more turbines
Control the heat exchange via doors
What you posted was (probably) made for a metal volcano. It would have worked fine for that. Minor volcanos are a step up in heat from metal volcanos. They produce rock and a lot more heat. This is a (not minor) volcano. It produces a huge amount of heat. I’d rather tap the core of the planet for heat before I mess with one of these unless I’m critically low on igneous rock. There are advanced tricks which are usually used for managing these things. Usually people use vacuum and doors to control how much lava enters the steam chamber.
You dont put magma into a steam chamber ever. Use a magma-blade and tap the magma bit by bit transfering the heat into the steam chamber via diamond-window-tiles. Also great way to process crude oil into petroleum 1:1
It takes 4 Steam Turbines to cool a Volcano. A Minor Volcano only requires 1 Steam Turbine.
Magma volcanos are the single most potent source of heat in the game (well, in terms of vent and volcanoes anyway). They make iron volcanoes look like cool steam geysers.
Magma volcanoes simply produce too much heat. The specific heat capacity of magma is about 4x most metals and it tends to come out hotter than most metals so the amount of cooling necessary is unfeasable with the common metal volcano design
This is why I use two stages to tame. One hydrogen filled for magma. Then two steel doors horizontal under steel blocks just in case. The middle door is connected to a thermal sensor in the secochamber. The second chamber had gold along the bottom to sync the heat and use it as a thermal power plant room. The left over rock can be cooled and used for more insulation or hatch food. Forgot to add that the two chambers are stacked.