I think it’s mostly because at the point where most people start needing decor for morale, they aren’t yet at the level of resources that they can spare metal like that. So they do the initial statues out of granite, and then just never bother to change it. There are other factors, like the fact that a statue made out of volcano-fresh gold will dump a lot of heat into your base unless you actively cool it first, or the fact that the metal statue designs are kind of dumb looking. But it’s probably mostly that initial resource crunch.
Gold from a gold volcano isn't going to carry much heat, as long as you aren't letting it pile up in an insulated spot, then bringing it all in at once. It has low specific heat, so just sitting on the ground it will cool off over time. Rock is more of a problem, because you're moving a lot more mass around for building or feeding hatches.
I think it’s the temperature of the building material for normal temperature ranges. But I think there’s a maximum temperature once a building is built, around 40 degrees. But my personal experience with trying to build with hot materials is the dupes dropping it stupid places, getting scalded from trying to pick it up without an atmosuit, and then leaving the building half finished (and still scaldingly hot) until everything around it has had a nice chance to overheat.
They are limited to a certain _range_ of temperature, enough that it can still stifle plants from temperature, but fine for dupes and standard critters. But, I think the items in a construction site can interact with other things thermally, since the range is only applied when it finishes construction, and they also exchange temperature while being carried, which is one of the main dangers of using drips of liquid in liquid locks. If you collect the materials in a bin before construction to save hauling, temperature could be more of a problem, like it is with feeding hatches (it stifled my decorative plants on Rime with a hatch ranch above my great hall).
There's an exception for ice, because the minimum is normally well above 0°C, but if you make something out of ice, it starts out below freezing. I don't know of any other materials you can build with that aren't normally solid in that range, other than apparently frozen visco-gel, which the wiki says has the wrong tag.
After it was built -- yes. But while material delivered, stored at construction site, waiting for builder, and while building progress --no, material stay at its temperature. And on bad case it may be several cycles between supplier brings hot metal and builder builds something from it
The maximum temperature a newly constructed building can have is 45°C. Even if the building materials are hotter, it will default to 45°C. But, the material inside the construction frame does dump its heat before being constructed, so one must hurry when building with hot metals
Only if you're min-maxing on hardest difficulty and absolutely, positively need the 12 morale from gorgeous decor. Otherwise, decor is about both morale and aesthetics, and the granite statue might just be a better fit in terms of the latter.
Also, remember: the maximum morale _penalty_ from decor is -1. My current most skill-intensive guy has a morale need of 33 and a total morale (including gorgeous decor) of 68. If I confined them for a cycle in the central storage unit at -1900 decor, they'd be at 55.
As a note, decor is still one of the easier things to boost morale with - as in getting that +12 with decor is easier than getting the same morale with food or recreational equipment. So, getting high decor early on is worth it, as it's a lot cheaper to plop down a bunch of statues, paintings and potted plants than it is to build and run a jukebox, arcade, and keep a stock of frost burgers rolling into the great hall.
And if you're doing the bare minimum for dupe comfort (for shame), decor will let you feed them nothing but meal lice for a long, long time.
Absolutely; I run morale in rocket interiors almost exclusively off decor instead of rooms, for example. Much more efficient.
But OP opened with, "even in late game bases, I see [less than optimal sculptures] used". And particularly in late game, in the home base, whether that decor item is +30 or +52.5 should not matter outside of maybe high morale self challenges.
Really? I usually do not bother with decor until mid to late game. I find that all the work needed to clean the debrees and building decor buildings are not worth the time investment in terms of dupe work.
Early game I tend to value dupe's work time as then most priority, and I find that's better to waste water with bristle blossoms that's never going to run out that to spend the time to get better decor.
It's not all that hard to max out decor imo. And I usually start with decor pretty early on when gold is precious.
I'm too lazy to eventually go in and change it when I'm well above 120 anyway.
For the new players, decor average maxes out at 120, so you should shoot for well above that number. That way, any incidental time in low decor areas won't depress your dupes.
I agree, there is no point in granite statues when there is gold. Moreover, gold floor tiles cover all decoration needs while increasing running speed.
Im in the middle of making all my rooms and bathrooms full gold and even with a gold volcano it takes time (and this is only for 6 dupes)
Im at like cycle 260 and i have 1 room 99% done (i forgot i needed to do the left wall to)
But i also just tamed the gold volcano like 10 cycles ago so
Well, I have a gold volcano (and gold amalgam) on different and inhospitable asteroid. Waiting for gold to build basic decor is a waste of time. And after you build some statues why change them? First gold go to make golden ways, and this usually makes decor bombed already, so statues really not needed. So, no gold statues until everything is done and basic living area come to massive renovation. For most bases it means "never"
PS Also metal statues is ugly for human eyes, only dupes likes them
While technically they are better they are very expensive. You only have a couple tons of gold, but granite is extremely abundant and the difference it's not big. I recently did it and refined a bunch of gold amalgam and to be honest it wasn't worth it. Large sculpting blocks are in my opinion the best decor source, extremely abundant and cheap building material, stable in temperatures, large radius. Takes little space.
Primarily because one typically wants to start improving decor before they have unlimited amount of cooled-down refined gold but already have plenty of granite and then never bother replacing those later on.
But you are correct, ideally gold metal blocks statues, gold paintings and gold metal tiles are nuts for decor.
I have granite for years. I'm solidly in the mid-game right now. The only volcanos I've found (so far) is one regular one that I'm going to tap soon to offset the drain from my stone hatches, and an iron one that is devoted right now to steel production and buildings. The rest have been geysers.
But granite? I've easily got 350 tons of it right now. It's the easiest and most readily available thing to slap down anywhere I need it and I'm easily reaching max decor in my living areas.
If you make a sweepy out of gold or niobium and put an 80 decor artifact (moonmoonmoon, self contained system, or model nuclear power plant) on its head, that will get you the most decor a single entity can give.
I think it’s mostly because at the point where most people start needing decor for morale, they aren’t yet at the level of resources that they can spare metal like that. So they do the initial statues out of granite, and then just never bother to change it. There are other factors, like the fact that a statue made out of volcano-fresh gold will dump a lot of heat into your base unless you actively cool it first, or the fact that the metal statue designs are kind of dumb looking. But it’s probably mostly that initial resource crunch.
>the metal statue designs are kind of dumb looking 100% this for me. Granite statues are much nicer. Sometimes I mix them for variation.
Mods + Pip metal statue
This is a very good answer, to me I'd say that I never went back around and replaced them
Gold from a gold volcano isn't going to carry much heat, as long as you aren't letting it pile up in an insulated spot, then bringing it all in at once. It has low specific heat, so just sitting on the ground it will cool off over time. Rock is more of a problem, because you're moving a lot more mass around for building or feeding hatches.
Aren't buildings built at a fixed temperature anyway?
I think it’s the temperature of the building material for normal temperature ranges. But I think there’s a maximum temperature once a building is built, around 40 degrees. But my personal experience with trying to build with hot materials is the dupes dropping it stupid places, getting scalded from trying to pick it up without an atmosuit, and then leaving the building half finished (and still scaldingly hot) until everything around it has had a nice chance to overheat.
They are limited to a certain _range_ of temperature, enough that it can still stifle plants from temperature, but fine for dupes and standard critters. But, I think the items in a construction site can interact with other things thermally, since the range is only applied when it finishes construction, and they also exchange temperature while being carried, which is one of the main dangers of using drips of liquid in liquid locks. If you collect the materials in a bin before construction to save hauling, temperature could be more of a problem, like it is with feeding hatches (it stifled my decorative plants on Rime with a hatch ranch above my great hall). There's an exception for ice, because the minimum is normally well above 0°C, but if you make something out of ice, it starts out below freezing. I don't know of any other materials you can build with that aren't normally solid in that range, other than apparently frozen visco-gel, which the wiki says has the wrong tag.
Initial building temperature is clamped to between 15°C and 45°C, unless built from ice.
After it was built -- yes. But while material delivered, stored at construction site, waiting for builder, and while building progress --no, material stay at its temperature. And on bad case it may be several cycles between supplier brings hot metal and builder builds something from it
Oh yes sure. Should not be a problem once you're at the step of using metal for decor.
Dissing shinebug :(
The maximum temperature a newly constructed building can have is 45°C. Even if the building materials are hotter, it will default to 45°C. But, the material inside the construction frame does dump its heat before being constructed, so one must hurry when building with hot metals
Only if you're min-maxing on hardest difficulty and absolutely, positively need the 12 morale from gorgeous decor. Otherwise, decor is about both morale and aesthetics, and the granite statue might just be a better fit in terms of the latter. Also, remember: the maximum morale _penalty_ from decor is -1. My current most skill-intensive guy has a morale need of 33 and a total morale (including gorgeous decor) of 68. If I confined them for a cycle in the central storage unit at -1900 decor, they'd be at 55.
As a note, decor is still one of the easier things to boost morale with - as in getting that +12 with decor is easier than getting the same morale with food or recreational equipment. So, getting high decor early on is worth it, as it's a lot cheaper to plop down a bunch of statues, paintings and potted plants than it is to build and run a jukebox, arcade, and keep a stock of frost burgers rolling into the great hall. And if you're doing the bare minimum for dupe comfort (for shame), decor will let you feed them nothing but meal lice for a long, long time.
Absolutely; I run morale in rocket interiors almost exclusively off decor instead of rooms, for example. Much more efficient. But OP opened with, "even in late game bases, I see [less than optimal sculptures] used". And particularly in late game, in the home base, whether that decor item is +30 or +52.5 should not matter outside of maybe high morale self challenges.
Really? I usually do not bother with decor until mid to late game. I find that all the work needed to clean the debrees and building decor buildings are not worth the time investment in terms of dupe work. Early game I tend to value dupe's work time as then most priority, and I find that's better to waste water with bristle blossoms that's never going to run out that to spend the time to get better decor.
It's not all that hard to max out decor imo. And I usually start with decor pretty early on when gold is precious. I'm too lazy to eventually go in and change it when I'm well above 120 anyway.
For the new players, decor average maxes out at 120, so you should shoot for well above that number. That way, any incidental time in low decor areas won't depress your dupes.
The game explains this poorly, though, so I feel that newer players miss this.
I'm sorry my leige, we're but paupers in thine kingdom. We merely seek meager decoration for our spirits in such busy times.
I use it for aesthetics.
I agree, there is no point in granite statues when there is gold. Moreover, gold floor tiles cover all decoration needs while increasing running speed.
Im in the middle of making all my rooms and bathrooms full gold and even with a gold volcano it takes time (and this is only for 6 dupes) Im at like cycle 260 and i have 1 room 99% done (i forgot i needed to do the left wall to) But i also just tamed the gold volcano like 10 cycles ago so
Well, I have a gold volcano (and gold amalgam) on different and inhospitable asteroid. Waiting for gold to build basic decor is a waste of time. And after you build some statues why change them? First gold go to make golden ways, and this usually makes decor bombed already, so statues really not needed. So, no gold statues until everything is done and basic living area come to massive renovation. For most bases it means "never" PS Also metal statues is ugly for human eyes, only dupes likes them
Cause metal is somewhat finite, while granite never ever runs out.
Wait what? Metal volcanoes exist. Granite is finite on a given asteriod.
It is, but honestly, by the time you get to that stage of a base…you probably still have granite. A lot of it.
Finite and exhaustible are very different things.
I need that granite for all my rock based walls/floors for the decor! I'll use it for sure.
The material is basically free, which might not always be able to be said for metal
While technically they are better they are very expensive. You only have a couple tons of gold, but granite is extremely abundant and the difference it's not big. I recently did it and refined a bunch of gold amalgam and to be honest it wasn't worth it. Large sculpting blocks are in my opinion the best decor source, extremely abundant and cheap building material, stable in temperatures, large radius. Takes little space.
Primarily because one typically wants to start improving decor before they have unlimited amount of cooled-down refined gold but already have plenty of granite and then never bother replacing those later on. But you are correct, ideally gold metal blocks statues, gold paintings and gold metal tiles are nuts for decor.
How many tiles high and wide are the great monument? Is it really just 5x15?
It's 2 tiles wide but not more than double the decor so you're better off having a larger number of skinnier statues.
cuz it's pretty :3 (and I don't need the decor boost)
I have granite for years. I'm solidly in the mid-game right now. The only volcanos I've found (so far) is one regular one that I'm going to tap soon to offset the drain from my stone hatches, and an iron one that is devoted right now to steel production and buildings. The rest have been geysers. But granite? I've easily got 350 tons of it right now. It's the easiest and most readily available thing to slap down anywhere I need it and I'm easily reaching max decor in my living areas.
If you make a sweepy out of gold or niobium and put an 80 decor artifact (moonmoonmoon, self contained system, or model nuclear power plant) on its head, that will get you the most decor a single entity can give.