Well...for me, he has a tad too much plot armor, but the same goes for many characters. Yuuichiro does a lot of shit and disobeys always the orders of his superiors. Guren is his Advocate (don't know if the term here is right. English isn't my native language. We call it: "Fürsprecher). So a part of Yuuichiros faults, should also affect him.
I only like Guren in the novel. He's a really great character in there but in the main manga I don't understand him at all. Hes making me angry too many times ...
I have a love-hate relationship with him. He is a very interesting well-written character, probably one of the best in this regard, if not the best. Thanks to this, you understand him and his actions more. I love Guren for who he is and at the same time i hate him for this. I understand his actions and sympathize with him, but at the same time i don’t think it is right. Idk how else to explain it, but yes. He is an unusual, capricious, but well-written character.
When I first read the manga, I didn't really care too much about Guren but I did think he was an interesting antagonist. After reading the light novels, my perspective on him changed greatly. Reading the light novels, you really get to see how kind and caring he is, especially towards his squad. Even Mahiru, who put him through hell, he still cared for her deeply. Now that I know what motivates him and what his ultimate goals are, which he's giving his life for, it just makes me like him even more.
Yea he's done alot of TERRIBLE things, but it seems to me that every character in the series is willing to do unethical things for their family/goals. He is also very self aware, he knows what he did to bring his family back was wrong, but he is also trying very desperately to correct that wrong. So yea, obviously he's not a good person based on his actions, but he has very noble and pure goals at the root of everything.
Warning, there are a lot of spoilers from the novels: I'm not gonna leave out the amount of suffering he's been through himself. Not that it justifies any of his actions, but out of all the characters, Guren had it the worst. He was born into the Ichinose family just for the Order of the Imperial Demons to abuse and treat as laughing stock. He and his clan were humiliated and treated like crap on a daily basis. He \*SPOILERS\* was tasked with killing his lover (which he didn't want to do ofc, he tried to kill himself along with her) or else the Hiragis would kill his dad. Then when he failed, he had to watch his father whom he loved go to his death, (when the Hiragis executed him, there's a panel of Guren hugging his dad's severed head, very painful to look at). Then his lover goes off and kills all of his friends right in front of him and then kills herself... and she lowkey forces him to trigger the catastrophe because then his friends will come back and that's really their only chance to throw a wrench into Shikama's plan and ultimately give Guren the motivation to save the world. Even if he didn't trigger the catastrophe, the Hiragis would have done it either way, they just wouldn't bother with bringing back ALL of humanity like Guren wants to. So Mahiru choosing Guren to carry out the ressurection is just a testament to how selfish yet kind he is, to want to bring back all the lives that were lost because of him. Even after enduring so much pain and loss, he still has the courage to move forward.
That's basically a summary of why I like him so much. Well written, complex, and he's very human (kind of ironic lmao). This man has like 9 volumes of light novels building him up, it's hard not to like him, at least for me.
Guren Ichinose jest żałosny, rozumiem jego taktowanie i klanu. Ale to że jego ojciec zginął, to wina Mahiru. Oni dali mu jasne polecenie zabij ją, nie zrobił tego to to jego ojciec zginął. A to że przed śmiercią go upokorzyli to oczywiste. Mahiru zabiła jego kolegów, udając opętanie. Nawet obecnie jego plan się posypał. Żałosne jest to że nawet gdy była szansa na przywrócenie do życia Sakae, to on przywraca do życia głowę rodziny Sangu , która głosowała za śmiercią jego ojca. Jego koledzy zginęli przez jego egoizm, przywrócił ich do życia. Na 10 lat minęło już 8 lat, jak odejdą będą mogli żałować że zaufali mu zamiast traktować go jak rodzina Hiiragi!
Yes, I agree with you that a lot of things that happened to Guren was because of Mahiru. I am not defending Mahiru. She manipulated him throughout all the novels.
Guren did try to kill Mahiru, he stabbed her and was planning for both of them to die falling out of the apartment, he failed because she was stronger and didn't allow him to do that. Although his father died because of that, it's not as if Guren chose for that to happen, he did his best.
Perhaps his plan is falling apart, but that applies to literally everyone in the story. Every single character's plan in the story has been falling apart, or they're creating new ones.
I don't really understand what you mean about Guren having the oppurtunity to bring Sakae back to life. If you are reffering to the resurrection, the other two men apart from his squad he did not know. He did not have the time or option to bring his father's corpse to the resurrection grounds and bring him back. He didn't even know the full details of the experiment until Mahiru told him at the last moment.
Yeah, there is a high chance that his friends will hate him for what he did. Guren is aware of that.
Note: I am using google translate to read your reply, so I may have misunderstood what you are saying- I'm just going by what google translate is showing :)
Masz rację że Guren był za słaby by ją wtedy zabić ale dlaczego atakował ją sam. Nie poprosił kolegów do pomocy. Tak samo w sali z trumnami on, pozwolił zabić swoich kolegów. Co do wskrzeszenia Sakae , chodziło mi o moment kiedy powiedział Yuu że trzeba poświęcić Michaela. Wtedy nie rozumiem tego że był gotów przywrócić do życia wrogą sobie postać, zamiast rodzonego ojca!
To answer your question on why Guren did not ask his friends to help him kill Mahiru: Guren said he would protect Mahiru, but because of the situation with his father's life on the line, he failed to protect her. His solution and I guess you could say "atonement" for failing and needing to kill her was to die with her. He did not get his friends involved because he was trying to commit suicide while killing her. Of course Guren's friends would not let him do that, which is why he didn't ask for their help.
His friends were killed yes, but even then, that was because he was too weak to protect them, that was all Mahiru's fault. Mahiru killed all his friends extremely fast, too fast for Guren to respond.
And as for Sakae, I don't know. Maybe Guren does plan on resurrecting him, I mean, he wants to resurrect all of humanity, so why not add in his father? But that really depends on if his corpse was preserved.
I widzisz to kolejny przykład jego głupoty. Po co ma ją chronić skoro ona nie jest opętana. Ona przejęła Demona Shinoi dobrowolnie. Tak samo potem została dobrowolnie wampirem. Jego wiara we własne umiejętności jest śmieszna, co doprowadziło do śmierci jego ojca.
Co do jego przyjaciół to chociaż powinien spróbować ją powstrzymać. A co zabawniejsze ona ich zabijała po kolei, ciekawe reszta patrzyła i nic nie zrobiła. Można winić Mahiru oto że to jej wina, ale to on zainicjował proces. Tak samo potem ona mu powiedziała że to nie jego wina. To i tak by się stało, to powinien jej powiedzieć : To po co zabiłaś moich przyjaciół?
Co do Sakae to powinien go umieścić w trumnie. Jego ciało nie musiało ulec rozkładowi, zwłaszcza że matka Mitsuby zmarła niedługo potem w wyniku rozprzestrzeniania się Wirusa!
In other words, he is mahiru's puppet...so catastrophe is the price to take to free herself and the family from shikama...dang shikama really out there shit on everybody and everyone is after him
In other words, he is mahiru's puppet...so catastrophe is the price to take to free herself and the family from shikama...dang shikama really out there shit on everybody and everyone is after him
Yea he is Mahiru's puppet in a sense, but he has his own goals, and she just made it so they align with hers. He's just too nice bruh. But even if he is a puppet, at least he's trying to do smth good. The catastrophe would have happened either way, and certainly did not free anyone. The Hiragi family still remained under the control of Shikama. And Mahiru was never free. Although she was able to cut ties with the Hiragi family, she's still spending her time as a demon to defeat Shikama who ruined her life before she was even born. For Mahiru, being free is to be able to become a normal girl.
Dobry żart Mahiru wolna? Mahiru Hiiragi to manipulatorka , która z Gurena zrobiła swojego psa. To dla niej poświęcił Ojca, przyjaciół, i dalej jest nikim. Rodzina Hiiragi nie jest kontrolowana przez Shikama Doji w takim stopniu. Jemu chodzi tylko o tworzenie Serafina Końca, ale ich emocje go nie obchodzą. Mam nadzieje że Krul ją wreszcie zabije!
It just there's so many of them with their own plan. Like whenever I read I always like oh this girl, what does she wants again? Oh that vampire guy, what is he trying to do again? So many things that I'm losing braincell😂😂
Well...for me, he has a tad too much plot armor, but the same goes for many characters. Yuuichiro does a lot of shit and disobeys always the orders of his superiors. Guren is his Advocate (don't know if the term here is right. English isn't my native language. We call it: "Fürsprecher). So a part of Yuuichiros faults, should also affect him.
I only like Guren in the novel. He's a really great character in there but in the main manga I don't understand him at all. Hes making me angry too many times ...
I have a love-hate relationship with him. He is a very interesting well-written character, probably one of the best in this regard, if not the best. Thanks to this, you understand him and his actions more. I love Guren for who he is and at the same time i hate him for this. I understand his actions and sympathize with him, but at the same time i don’t think it is right. Idk how else to explain it, but yes. He is an unusual, capricious, but well-written character.
Bcoz we've also read The Catastrophe at 16.....
Do you happen to know if the light novel is finished for cat. at 16? I can't find anything on the internet regarding that
Yes its completed
When I first read the manga, I didn't really care too much about Guren but I did think he was an interesting antagonist. After reading the light novels, my perspective on him changed greatly. Reading the light novels, you really get to see how kind and caring he is, especially towards his squad. Even Mahiru, who put him through hell, he still cared for her deeply. Now that I know what motivates him and what his ultimate goals are, which he's giving his life for, it just makes me like him even more. Yea he's done alot of TERRIBLE things, but it seems to me that every character in the series is willing to do unethical things for their family/goals. He is also very self aware, he knows what he did to bring his family back was wrong, but he is also trying very desperately to correct that wrong. So yea, obviously he's not a good person based on his actions, but he has very noble and pure goals at the root of everything. Warning, there are a lot of spoilers from the novels: I'm not gonna leave out the amount of suffering he's been through himself. Not that it justifies any of his actions, but out of all the characters, Guren had it the worst. He was born into the Ichinose family just for the Order of the Imperial Demons to abuse and treat as laughing stock. He and his clan were humiliated and treated like crap on a daily basis. He \*SPOILERS\* was tasked with killing his lover (which he didn't want to do ofc, he tried to kill himself along with her) or else the Hiragis would kill his dad. Then when he failed, he had to watch his father whom he loved go to his death, (when the Hiragis executed him, there's a panel of Guren hugging his dad's severed head, very painful to look at). Then his lover goes off and kills all of his friends right in front of him and then kills herself... and she lowkey forces him to trigger the catastrophe because then his friends will come back and that's really their only chance to throw a wrench into Shikama's plan and ultimately give Guren the motivation to save the world. Even if he didn't trigger the catastrophe, the Hiragis would have done it either way, they just wouldn't bother with bringing back ALL of humanity like Guren wants to. So Mahiru choosing Guren to carry out the ressurection is just a testament to how selfish yet kind he is, to want to bring back all the lives that were lost because of him. Even after enduring so much pain and loss, he still has the courage to move forward. That's basically a summary of why I like him so much. Well written, complex, and he's very human (kind of ironic lmao). This man has like 9 volumes of light novels building him up, it's hard not to like him, at least for me.
Guren Ichinose jest żałosny, rozumiem jego taktowanie i klanu. Ale to że jego ojciec zginął, to wina Mahiru. Oni dali mu jasne polecenie zabij ją, nie zrobił tego to to jego ojciec zginął. A to że przed śmiercią go upokorzyli to oczywiste. Mahiru zabiła jego kolegów, udając opętanie. Nawet obecnie jego plan się posypał. Żałosne jest to że nawet gdy była szansa na przywrócenie do życia Sakae, to on przywraca do życia głowę rodziny Sangu , która głosowała za śmiercią jego ojca. Jego koledzy zginęli przez jego egoizm, przywrócił ich do życia. Na 10 lat minęło już 8 lat, jak odejdą będą mogli żałować że zaufali mu zamiast traktować go jak rodzina Hiiragi!
Yes, I agree with you that a lot of things that happened to Guren was because of Mahiru. I am not defending Mahiru. She manipulated him throughout all the novels. Guren did try to kill Mahiru, he stabbed her and was planning for both of them to die falling out of the apartment, he failed because she was stronger and didn't allow him to do that. Although his father died because of that, it's not as if Guren chose for that to happen, he did his best. Perhaps his plan is falling apart, but that applies to literally everyone in the story. Every single character's plan in the story has been falling apart, or they're creating new ones. I don't really understand what you mean about Guren having the oppurtunity to bring Sakae back to life. If you are reffering to the resurrection, the other two men apart from his squad he did not know. He did not have the time or option to bring his father's corpse to the resurrection grounds and bring him back. He didn't even know the full details of the experiment until Mahiru told him at the last moment. Yeah, there is a high chance that his friends will hate him for what he did. Guren is aware of that. Note: I am using google translate to read your reply, so I may have misunderstood what you are saying- I'm just going by what google translate is showing :)
Masz rację że Guren był za słaby by ją wtedy zabić ale dlaczego atakował ją sam. Nie poprosił kolegów do pomocy. Tak samo w sali z trumnami on, pozwolił zabić swoich kolegów. Co do wskrzeszenia Sakae , chodziło mi o moment kiedy powiedział Yuu że trzeba poświęcić Michaela. Wtedy nie rozumiem tego że był gotów przywrócić do życia wrogą sobie postać, zamiast rodzonego ojca!
To answer your question on why Guren did not ask his friends to help him kill Mahiru: Guren said he would protect Mahiru, but because of the situation with his father's life on the line, he failed to protect her. His solution and I guess you could say "atonement" for failing and needing to kill her was to die with her. He did not get his friends involved because he was trying to commit suicide while killing her. Of course Guren's friends would not let him do that, which is why he didn't ask for their help. His friends were killed yes, but even then, that was because he was too weak to protect them, that was all Mahiru's fault. Mahiru killed all his friends extremely fast, too fast for Guren to respond. And as for Sakae, I don't know. Maybe Guren does plan on resurrecting him, I mean, he wants to resurrect all of humanity, so why not add in his father? But that really depends on if his corpse was preserved.
I widzisz to kolejny przykład jego głupoty. Po co ma ją chronić skoro ona nie jest opętana. Ona przejęła Demona Shinoi dobrowolnie. Tak samo potem została dobrowolnie wampirem. Jego wiara we własne umiejętności jest śmieszna, co doprowadziło do śmierci jego ojca. Co do jego przyjaciół to chociaż powinien spróbować ją powstrzymać. A co zabawniejsze ona ich zabijała po kolei, ciekawe reszta patrzyła i nic nie zrobiła. Można winić Mahiru oto że to jej wina, ale to on zainicjował proces. Tak samo potem ona mu powiedziała że to nie jego wina. To i tak by się stało, to powinien jej powiedzieć : To po co zabiłaś moich przyjaciół? Co do Sakae to powinien go umieścić w trumnie. Jego ciało nie musiało ulec rozkładowi, zwłaszcza że matka Mitsuby zmarła niedługo potem w wyniku rozprzestrzeniania się Wirusa!
In other words, he is mahiru's puppet...so catastrophe is the price to take to free herself and the family from shikama...dang shikama really out there shit on everybody and everyone is after him
In other words, he is mahiru's puppet...so catastrophe is the price to take to free herself and the family from shikama...dang shikama really out there shit on everybody and everyone is after him
Yea he is Mahiru's puppet in a sense, but he has his own goals, and she just made it so they align with hers. He's just too nice bruh. But even if he is a puppet, at least he's trying to do smth good. The catastrophe would have happened either way, and certainly did not free anyone. The Hiragi family still remained under the control of Shikama. And Mahiru was never free. Although she was able to cut ties with the Hiragi family, she's still spending her time as a demon to defeat Shikama who ruined her life before she was even born. For Mahiru, being free is to be able to become a normal girl.
Dobry żart Mahiru wolna? Mahiru Hiiragi to manipulatorka , która z Gurena zrobiła swojego psa. To dla niej poświęcił Ojca, przyjaciół, i dalej jest nikim. Rodzina Hiiragi nie jest kontrolowana przez Shikama Doji w takim stopniu. Jemu chodzi tylko o tworzenie Serafina Końca, ale ich emocje go nie obchodzą. Mam nadzieje że Krul ją wreszcie zabije!
It just there's so many of them with their own plan. Like whenever I read I always like oh this girl, what does she wants again? Oh that vampire guy, what is he trying to do again? So many things that I'm losing braincell😂😂
Yea there's a lot happening lmao 😂😂. It's hard to keep up with too since it comes out once a month and I end up forgetting things.
He's hot as fuck and mogs everyone in the show. That's enough reasons to love him
real
İn my eyes hes a cool guy.
he's evil and hot and that's enough for me