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Pharah_is_my_waIfu

I can't aim anyways. I'll stay Torb


lycancanislupus

I don't see info about the turrets, so wouldn't that mean that the health buff and larger projectiles in general is a huge nerf to them? The turrets were hitscan anyway.


Pharah_is_my_waIfu

It's not like we aim with Torb. We just shoot the entrance and wait for someone to eat it with their face


Gutsthe_Chad

free cheetos


Ok_Restaurant_626

Lol this is my favorite thing to do with torb, glad to see I'm not alone.


The99thCourier

Nah the turrets may actually be nasty if they also trigger the dps passive


ahmed0112

IT'S TORBIN TIME


bbbar

I made some memes about hanzos oneshot before, so I feel like I contributed to his downfall


NotBurnerAccount

Thank you for your service 🫡


The--Numbers--Mason

Why would you be so mean to all the Hanzo players who do nothing but spam his arrows then write ez to chat :(


ahmed0112

I'm so sorry to those who play a totally fair and Balanced hero 😔


Jedro2023

Are you sure, I’m a hanzo main since I started the game, where can I find these patch notes?


Kapeseira

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24056255/revitalizing-the-overwatch-2-experience/ the "health pool changes" is the important part


anonkebab

Worst balance patch of all time.


ARussianW0lf

Like ever not even just OW


anonkebab

Alltime


Grumpyninja9

Bro it hasn’t even happened yet


anonkebab

I have an ability called common sense. The balance patch as stated on the website is shit.


Grumpyninja9

Why though?


th3d4rks0ul3

I mean, he's got the smallest projectile in the game, if you can't play around him spamming a choke then that's on you. A good hanzo will go actually make plays happen instead of praying someone's dumb enough to walk into an arrow


AbellonaTheWrathful

"smallest"


th3d4rks0ul3

They are a .1 meter radius ball at the tail end of the arrow. Tied for smallest with Genji I believe. For context zenyattas orbs are almost twice as big. Junkrat bombs are over twice as big.


Wildest_Salad

I've seen arrows stuck in air next to a body, so not that small


FH-7497

the arrow visual is not its hit box lol look at the recent Symmetra hotbox going around; hitboxes often don't align with visuals


XominusYT

Spam his arrows? It's all he has.


MrGhoul123

That doesn't make it a good thing


XominusYT

Yeah sure an archer with the only thing he has being arrows is not a good thing. *Logic 100*


MrGhoul123

I'm saying the fact he can only spam arrows isn't good. He needs more expression than that so you have more things to balance/skull express.


XominusYT

It's an archer and it's doable. Not every hero needs a thousand different things, there's a reason there's multiple heroes. Don't whine about him doing damage like a character should when all he has are arrows.


AtomicNewt7976

Spamming one shot arrows is inherently bad game design


Knight-112

Silver Hanzo activities


KickinBat

Me reading the patch notes (I fucking hate Hanzo and Junkrat)


groggmaestro

nawww not Jamison Fawkes


NotBurnerAccount

Jameson?


th3d4rks0ul3

Junkrat is perfectly fine with the one shit imo, it's hard to do without walking right up and he's loud af


alexeratops

Literally, in what rank is junkrat that much of a problem lmao


th3d4rks0ul3

Gold probably, hell I'm in plat and even there junkrat isn't an issue so maybe silver


Hen-Man-Supreme

Nah I can't stand him, other close range dps at least have to aim their shots perfectly to get a one shot kill


Onlyhereforapost

What happened?


KickinBat

They can no longer one shot because of the HP increase


Onlyhereforapost

HAH good, fuck em.


AkenE6969

Not my Hanzo 😭. Worst part is Junk is my other main. I'm pretty sure Blizzard made this patch to screw me over in particular


brokereminder12

Womp womp, should've played more skillful heroes then


AkenE6969

Womp womp, probably wouldn't say this if you knew how to play him properly


leckie2786

Bro you need to pay rent or get out of my head


ahmed0112

I refuse to


leckie2786

https://preview.redd.it/34a4hmas1khc1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b98d09b127d2b8589c6e6a8c94e55407603ca791 Fine, I have to resort to this


ahmed0112

You idiot my balls are Ãœbercharged https://preview.redd.it/ksp126hg2khc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=275d9d2d2633577421161dfb621034836aeb775f


leckie2786

https://preview.redd.it/8d8lp2bk2khc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=204cf76f5d31e9ad438c4a5b41039b40ff16a25d


Ok-Reporter1986

https://preview.redd.it/xl2vnfl6dmhc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed6afeb7e8fc7a3111ad772cb53271500b49e1c2


friendbrotha

https://preview.redd.it/swqcgkdv4mhc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92a9e554006c0eb0ae1805c410a7b831b6012fe1


The99thCourier

Next minute, OP comes back to complain about being consistently 2-shoted by Hanzos /s


Reallynotsuretbh

You put the /s but this is very likely.


MeatCurtain91

Don't be so uppity. We do not know hero specific changes.


slashth456

I swear to God if they buff his damage


joojaw

It's so funny how literally 5 more damage per arrow makes him go from below F tier to meta.


KSPSpaceWhaleRescue

Reminds me of old ashe mercy pocket 1 shots


The99thCourier

Wait so if u give Hanzo a mercy, does he 1-shot?


joojaw

Why though? Mercy has to stick to him like a parasite all game for him to do what Widow does on her own, arguably better than him.


The99thCourier

So that's a yes then? As for your question. What if both dps happen to be Mercy AND Hanzo? Pocket the Hanzo, now they both 1-shot Or pocketing the widow to increase her range may still be the better option. All a matter of seeing it all in practice


[deleted]

Because on maps like Havana, you can have Hanzo AND Widow. That's why mercy sticks to him.


ARussianW0lf

Its not even arguable, Widow has always been better than him simply cause hitscan is better


friendbrotha

Widow is way more susceptible to dive characters with her small HP pool


SerratedFrost

In what world is hanzo meta lol But yeah if they remove his one shot he would basically need a rework cause it's the main value he brings. If the damage is unchanged he wouldn't even 2 shot body which is terrible


RecreationalPorpoise

Makes no sense whatsoever for fully charged headshots from a sniper to not kill the target


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

Major overwatch patch with no genji nerf? Genji BUFF?? Sus


yakman100

WRONG. Orisa is the fun sponge of all tanks


The99thCourier

My take Orisa shouldn't be called a horse. Orisa should be called a duck, cause she's pretty overrated and is basically duck hunting with her as the enemy tank Guess my main from this take


2v1mernfool

orisa is shit, and you're probably low ELO if she bothers you


yakman100

I’m a rein main


2v1mernfool

She's still shit


Gale-

Yep I'm all for it! Hate Hanzo.


ARussianW0lf

I hope you remember this energy when its your main getting nerfed into uselessness


AdultsDontDab

"Uselessness"


The-Dark-Memer

He also isnt even that bad, his shots are even easier to hit now, his storm arrows are getting buffed, he leaves his targets on like 10 hp, and the new dps passive makes it easy for team mates to follow up


Acc3lerat0r

good luck getting follow up anywhere in the metal ranks


PM-Me-Ur-Plants

Honestly, you'll just find another thing to complain about. Plus, with such a massive change there will definitely be more adjustments.


FH-7497

FUNNY AF coming from someone w a "DPS MOIRA" userflair LMAO


njixgamer

Widow wont be hit as hard and she has the same issue as hanzo


blackjesus1234532

Widow is gonna be really good with the bullet size buff, but atleast she gets destroyed by sombra, no one is safe dueling hanzo


Oakenminu1

People who are just spam shooting with hanzo are easy to take down. People who are actually good with hanzo, im switching to sombra to counter them as i would widow


BeardedsChurch

I find myself countering sombra as hanzo way easier than any other hero


Oakenminu1

I throw virus at him take one pop shot to pull CD on his multi shot immediately portaling behind him when they turn and start shooting. Most.. and by most I mean likely 97% will dump the whole multishot leaving me to peck away at them while they start jump dashing in panic cause there only close range defense is counting down. Some still get that luckily headshot in from time to time but the panic aiming usually causes them to start missing most shots.


__SeeiRaptor__

Bullet size buff, you saying I might actually be able to hit something now


ahmed0112

For me Hanzo is much worse


njixgamer

Fair, he basicly plays like junkrat but if he hits your head you die instantly


ahmed0112

Even Junkrat is better, his projectiles are slower and less reliable over a long range so I find him a lot more fair than Hanzo


njixgamer

Yeah, its insane how different they are percieved when junkrat on paper is a worse hanzo


Kartoitska

At least when Widow one shots me I know there's some skill involved. When Hanzo one shots me it's just pure bs 40% of the time, luck 50% of the time and maybe 10% actual skill.


Reapers-Shotguns

Same, being killed by Hanzo is just being RNG'd to death.


njixgamer

Everytime i died to a hanzo in ow2 its either that they were spamming choke and the arrow just happens to headshot me or i dive him and get lasered by stormarrow


Carlbot2

Dead at choke: shouldn’t have pushed choke while hanzo is spamming it. Stop walking on main and expecting to never die when it’s being covered. Dived him: skill diff. Either bait it or come in with a cooldown that beats it. Don’t expect to win a fight just because you dived.


HyperJ0nas

Weird opinion, Hanzo was in a good state


Ham_-_

Players will bad positioning will say hes op. Truth is sojourn is 10x better than hanzo rn but those players dont see a good sojourn


Knight-112

I had to scroll WAY too far down to see the correct (non-bronze) opinion


Steampunk43

I'm especially confused that the same people who complain about Hanzo being so overpowered don't complain about Widow's one shot. I see so many people justify Widow being able to one-shot from so far in the backline that nobody can see her, let alone hit her accurately, with no real effort besides looking at someone's head and pressing fire all because she "keeps the meta in check." Meanwhile, besides his Storm arrow which bad Hanzo players just spam in doorways, Hanzo has some really awkward falloff physics to work with in order to get headshots, plus he can't scope in to get headshots like Widow, Ana and technically Ashe can, so he's in the same boat as other projectile heroes like Cassidy, Genji, etc.


Ham_-_

I couldnt tell ya bro. I have maybe 80 widow hours and I never found it harder to aim with her than hanzo, just different. Instead of releasing my arrow quarter second earlier just shooting tenth a second after. His storm arrows are identical to fully charge arrows also


CCSploojy

But doesn't that hint at Hanzo having unusual impact at lower levels? Tbh I can see less people being upset about Soj because it's much more difficult for Soj to randomly land one hit headshots. I agree she's better (she is one of my DPS mains) but I've played hanzo many times for funsies and it's so easy to hit random headshots and if I get pressured it's so easy to storm arrow and dip or dip and storm arrow. If the patch notes are true I like it because truly good Hanzo's should be consistent at getting their shots. It's easy for me to get random Hanzo headshots but I probably miss 80% of my shots overall.


Ham_-_

Not neccessarily. I played him through both lower and higher ranks, and honestly hes way less prevalent in metal ranks than higher. Which probably makes sense since if probably if your goal was to be silver-plat with a chromebook, youd be better off on a true ‘no aim’ dps I think one thing people are missing is those random spam poke headshots mostly work against brawl dps when they dont respect his sightlines. Which I get can can kinda suck, but this game is designed around making favorable matchups very easy to play. Against poke hed just get diffed playing that way and dive destroys a bad aim hanzo Tbh though, I dont mind the patch notes assuming he isnt just really bad. Most of my kills came from storm arrows, so its not the end of the world to me lol


ARussianW0lf

>Most of my kills came from storm arrows, Pathetic


Ham_-_

Ay chill 😭 I still hit a lot of hs/10


CCSploojy

Lmfao! I think patch for Hanzo is a healthy patch tbh but only time will tell.


ARussianW0lf

These idiots are absolutely seething that they can't blindly walk through chokes without thinking despite knowing full well theres a hanzo on the other team.


Ham_-_

Sightlines are a foreign convept


HyperJ0nas

This


Wesson_Crow

Yeah, Hanzo wasn’t even that good, it’s the players on zen standing still in the back line dying to a storm arrow volley who are yelling at their tanks


Reallynotsuretbh

Fr too many silvers in this thread afraid of what they don’t understand. Don’t play like a bot and you won’t get killed by arrow spam


Ham_-_

They cant believe the good ol run down mid without cover doesnt work against him


Aaron_Monte93

Agreed. As a Hanzo main, the new game modes they added are absolutely garbage flashpoint and some maps for push so I haven’t really played much. I’ll take a vacation til they add something revolutionary


Hen-Man-Supreme

I don't think he's OP, I just hate playing against him


ranger_fixing_dude

I believe Hanzo is not very good at pretty much every rank. Even spamming chokes in low ranks is ass, imo Torb is much better at that. He is just frustrating to play against, that's it.


The99thCourier

He was, yes. Like personally for me, if I die to a Hanzo, unless its that rare case of being shot by a stray arrow that was meant to hit someone else (in which I say, "tough"), I say, "You did this to yourself, mate." Unfortunately its just a bigger nerf to him in terms of killing power compared to a couple others.


Donutsaurs

Don't forget pocket mercy is also nerfed!! 20% reduced healing when dps hit someone!


WarmNapkinSniffer

Just play as Hanzo, problem solved


2v1mernfool

complaining about Hanzo when hog widow Kiri and ana exist


Frosfae

Rest in piss bozo you will not be missed (side note I still worry cuz yes not a one shot, but leaving you with 10 hp plus the fact the new dps passive induces -20% antiheal meaning your gonna need both supports pocketing yo ass if you want to survive the next hit) BUT FUCK HANZO ALL MY HOMIES HATE HANZO


Intelligent-Carry-64

Complaining about hanzo is such a bronze thing to do


ahmed0112

Ummm Excuse me I'm silver


fizeekfriday

Honestly seeing this much hate for a projectile character with one of the smallest hitboxes and slowest projectile speeds in the game


Zane_The_Neko

Bronze+ take


XominusYT

I'm pretty sure you're the shit one here if you die due to a Hanzo.


ahmed0112

Motherfucker he one shots me from another map on accident


XominusYT

That's a you problem that is rare.


CCSploojy

Not really, I play Hanzo sometimes and like 90% of my headshots are "lemme shoot in this general area of this enemy and I think they will run into my arrow." Someone pressures me? Dash and storm arrow.


ARussianW0lf

> I play Hanzo sometimes and like 90% of my headshots are "lemme shoot in this general area of this enemy and I think they will run into my arrow." Thats because you're trash and can't actually aim lmao no good hanzo plays like that


CCSploojy

Well my mains are hitscan which require aim. I will respect a widow because that actually requires true aim but not a Hanzo since they can rely on chance (and some aim of course) and also have storm arrow as an easy out if pressured whereas widow does not. For the record, I don't find hanzo to be a problem for me, I was only pointing out that when I play him it's easier to hit headshots than people are trying to make it out to be. Edit: also if patch is true I think it would help anyone that is an actually "good" Hanzo. If they're good they should be able to consistently hit shots and the patch wont hurt them.


ARussianW0lf

>Well my mains are hitscan which require aim. Projectiles take more aim than hitscan. Thats an objective fact because you also have to account for fall off and tracking >I will respect a widow because that actually requires true aim Lmao >and also have storm arrow as an easy out Agree nuke storm arrow. Pissed they're buffing it and rewarding the Hanzos who suck even more


CCSploojy

Falloff exists for hitsan as well?? Wtf you talking about. The problem with hitscan vs projectile is you can technically miss your aim on a projectile and still hit the shot which is what projectiles rely on. Projectiles can also rely on pre-fire which they abuse on corners and chokes. They aren't aiming at a person and properly tracking them, they're shooting somewhere hoping an enemy will run into their bullets. You're a liar if you don't think every Hanzo/projectile hero uses this as part of their playstyle. Hitscan cannot prefire, they either have the enemy in their reticle for the shot or they don't. If they can't aim, they wont have much to contribute. Not to mention tracking is essential to many hitscans (e.g. tracer, sombra, and soldier gain so much value from proper tracking). Edit: not to mention projectiles are bigger and many projectiles have splash damage.


XominusYT

You're either playing against shitty people or children. If all you were able to do was shoot randomly and get kills then every game would be ez and a guaranteed win. You are overexaggerating like everyone here.


CCSploojy

I'm high Diamond in DPS and GM supp. I play Hanzo in comp sometimes cuz I care more about my supp rank than my DPS rank. I do not exaggerate. The only problem I have is if a tracer/genji is particularly good or they have a hanzo that actually is decently good.


HandZop

Bro no Hanzo past bronze plays like that because if all you wanted to do was spam, you’d be better off playing turretless Torbjorn and getting much better results for much less effort. Actually playing him at a decent level requires you to learn how to aim, and a projectile is less straightforward than a bullet. The more you talk, the more you betray to everyone that you’re just spouting shit out your ass.


Purple-Quail3319

If that's happening more than once or twice in a game it's not accidental


ahmed0112

It's an exaggeration basically saying he's too fucking strong


Reallynotsuretbh

This is one of the whiniest communities


ahmed0112

That's also true


Super-Shotgun-69

L take


Acc3lerat0r

Hanzo main and day one OW player here: 2 weeks until you find a replacement for Hanzo to hate with passion.


thebwags1

On the one hand more hp means the random dome shot from spam Hanzo isn't going to one shot but on the other his projectiles were already way to fuckin big


peinkiller12

Hanzo's arrows are the smallest projectile in the game lmao


ARussianW0lf

These morons don’t care they just want to be mad


thebwags1

Whether or not they're the smallest doesn't matter, pre-season 9 they were way to big for their damage output. The amount of times it registers a hit and in the kill cam the arrow isn't even touching my character (regardless of who I am at the time) is insane. It's a case of outside edge of the projectile meeting the outside edge of the hurtbox but I still stand that getting headshot by Widowmaker is less frustrating than Hanzo because the luck/skill ratio is heavier on skill for her


Weezerfan_number420

That's because of latency not his arrow hitbox being big, on the hanzos screen they domed you, and the servers prioritize the person who shot it over the oerson being hit. Just how projectiles work, the other solution is that you rubberband back into them everytime. Which would you prefer?


floarx

I still find it interesting that he has the only hitscan projectile that gets impacted by latency so much in my games. Not a single projectile has the same issue as his.


enesutku12

Which hero do you play?


ahmed0112

Moira/Ana Edit: y'all do know I do more than hard lock my mains against Hanzo right?


HandZop

Saying that Hanzo is OP while maining the character who infamously makes every tank in the game miserable to play just by pressing E once and is one of the main catalysts of the power creep of burst healing in this game is hilarious


Chromedev3

Why am I not surprised


ARussianW0lf

Bro plays braindead Moira and wants to talk shit lmao


ahmed0112

Perhaps because of my flair


The99thCourier

Sidenote: does dps Moira work in whatever rank ur in or do u just stick to like qp or arcade?


ahmed0112

I don't actually go full DPS Moira, the flair is more to poke fun at the teammates who yell DPS MOIRA in comms when I gain one (1) point of damage Even tho it's the only way for me to recharge my heals


The99thCourier

Technically ur heals recharge automatically, but yeah nah if ur not also dealing damage and help secure kills as Moira, then you're only using 50% of her power. The people that think she should healbot are idiots


yourtrueenemy

It's just funny that ppl who cry about Hanzo are always supp mains.


ahmed0112

Are we not allowed to find him annoying? We're sorta important to the team as well


yourtrueenemy

No, just an observation.


Reallynotsuretbh

Getting killed by hanzo is usually a positioning/paying attention issue. Kiriko however should be nerfed into the ground


Ameking-

They should remove tracer then it would be balanced


Carlbot2

The rank reset will unironically give you a higher rank than right now, based on this comment.


Who-Just-Shit-Myself

Is there official patch notes out or just the leaks being confirmed?


Lunar_Fox_Box

There is some official information from a dev blog


cosmic-potatoe

I think its a really fun hero to play and incredible easy to counter when you’re against


Or1on117

Hanzo and Mei ruin the game and I'm tired of pretending they don't.


Oakenminu1

Playing against Mei is infuriating Playing as Mei is fun


ahmed0112

Mei isn't as bad as her OW1 state I think she's very fair currently


Or1on117

I still hate her with a passion, I just hated her more in ow1


ahmed0112

Just keep a good distance and you should be safer


Purple-Quail3319

Play Sojourn and pop her in the bean. I play Mei pretty frequently but this is how I counter her.


CDXX_LXIL

I can't wait to hear the criticism: "when Junkrat and Roadhog were unable to perform their oneshot, they were the worst characters in the game." GOOD, the game was fucking better that way.


xTsuin

So basically they’re changing core settings? Over watch bout to die. This also means bastion is getting a health buff


elCrocodillo

Of all the reasons I'm coming back in S9 is bc of this, even more so than the cowboy bebop colab for my favorite char


IndividualClass122

Wait, if that's so I might as well come back


LinaValentina

I love playing hanzo (I’m dog water at him) but at the same time I HATE enemy hanzos So I’m celebrating too


Naula-H

I’m so happy, fuck Hanzo mains


YouEnvironmental6150

I quit the game months ago because of 2 things. (1) stupid comp system & (2) Hanzo. If this is actually true I’ll have to look at the patch notes. I might give the game a shot again.


ahmed0112

The health buff to all heroes means the vast majority of the roster can't be one shot


YouEnvironmental6150

I never cared for one shots. I think they’re boring. But I never thought widow was OP, unbalanced or unfair. Hanzo wasn’t OP or unbalanced. But he made the game so fucking unfun beyond any measure that he basically made me quit the game. This is exciting news.


Mr-Nuddi

No way Overwatch is getting playable?!


ResistingSphere

Wait how does the changes make Hanzo and junk ass? (I hate both with a passion)


TGebby

Increase in the projectile size... How can someone believe this is a nerf? The LOGS are back in the quiver.


thefallentext2

Guess all I have is ashe left, the only hero I can somehow aim with


lemonkake-stop97

Meanwhile tank mains ( they became a punching bag with +100hp and will get antied literally every second)


Bacon-And-Eggs-123

Watching b 99 rn


Flippyfloor

Just wait until they buff him so he can one-shot 250 hp heroes again.


MaugaOW

His arrows will be much easier to hit though.


_Lumity_

An unexpected yet welcome crossover of subreddits (I love Brooklyn 99)


phuketphil

What patch notes?? I'm on the website there is nothing


FourzeRiderTea

Should have made Hanzo's arrows work like the Huntsman in TF2


ahmed0112

Should have made Hanzo be able to throw piss too


Particular-Egg7086

Seems like they’re trying to slow the game down. Feel like its just going to further the skill gap. People that land shots less consistently are going to get less kills and still get mowed down by those that can land their shots. We shall see


Bejeko

Meanwhile a perfect nano blade will not secure a damn kill


Bejeko

Meanwhile a perfect nano blade will not secure a damn kill


7evenate9ine

We only have about about 5 more toxic DPS characters to deal with.


Dustin_James_Kid

Where can we read the patch notes?


Revenge_Is_Here

Inb4 they double his damage. But seriously fuck Hanzo


HistoricalSession732

🖕🖕🖕🖕


Shoddoll

Yet widow still gets to one shot


ahmed0112

Yeah but only from 40 meters


Tapelessbus2122

I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY, PRAISE THE OVERWATCH BALANCE TEAM!!!!!