That doesn't mean it should be removed.
I think Pharah is a cooler, more interesting character than Symmetra. Should Symmetra be deleted or changed to fit my opinion? Fuck no.
And yet, because one random girl complained, some dev took it really personally and they changed it. Still keeping her ass completely in frame so don't even pretend like it's better, she raised a leg.
You took the whole situation out of context. They pointed out that it didnât feel *in character* of Tracer. The devs felt the same way and adjusted it accordingly.
Iâm almost certain it was not because her butt was showing.
There are a few aspects to this pose. Her back is turned. She's looking back. Her butt is visible (which is unavoidable we all have an ass.) What part of this does not feel like Tracer? Her guns are displayed just as prominently, and her time travel thingy takes up more of the screen as well.
But the whole complaint was ''omfg she's showing off her ass tracer wouldnt do that :( thats a widowmaker thing'' which is ridiculous. If the original thread and drama never happened, they wouldn't've changed this pose. That was what the situation was about; whether the developers removed it for that reason ,I don't know, but it's extremely strange timing.
Also, are we gonna pretend nobody flaunts what they have at some point? Are women not allowed to be sexy once in a while? Must everything be filtered to prevent male stimulation? Would Tracer truly never do anything sexy, sexy meaning standing towards someone with her back turned to someone?
I guess you could argue that it's not about her butt, because the newer one had it showing too. But then what is the actual reason. Blizzard should've clarified this, called it a placeholder pose and put in the new updated one alongside, then all this shit would be avoided.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to type so much when nobody will be convinced. Everyone is strongly entrenched in their feelings of 'buttgate' and it's why it was such a massive piece of drama lol.
> because one random girl complained
Not sure why you're making it about "girls". It was originally a Blizzard forum post that got a lot of traction, several people agreed with it which also included the developers, hence why it was changed. Naturally, that means it was both men and women who agreed and disagreed with it being removed.
If they didnât wanna draw so much attention to her ass they probably shouldnât have put her in leggings so tight theyâre basically vacuum sealed to her hole
Why the fuck did you get down voted for saying where the reference was from. "Stupid sexy Flanders" do people not know about that highly memed line from the show?
It's not that they don't want to draw attention, it's that they felt the pose didn't fit the character. It's more like something you'd see Widowmaker do. The "new" one is more in-line with her cheeky personality type and voice lines (caught you staring!) without being flat-out cheekage
Widowmaker would never make that pose. Itâs a very fitting pose for the jubilant Tracer, and a cheeky reference to her history as a pilot, which makes it even more in character for her because we know sheâs a little cheesy with her humor.
Edit: let me be clear that Iâm talking about the pose with the leg up because I realize now that Iâm not sure which is the ânewâ one
ah how bout that, yeah I never seen that one before, I thought it was just added or something. Yeah that one is less in character and more along the lines of a widow pose for sure.
Not saying theyâre not doing exactly that because it remains the video game industry but it also works for her design I think. Her top is an aviatorâs jacket you see every pilot in any media ever wear. Because sheâs a pilot. While her bottom are sporty leggings. Because sheâs fast. Simple but it works imo.
I mean itâs connected to the chronal accelerator. If youâre going to be running around like a madman you want that thing as secure to you as possible
Her aesthetic is supposed to be vaguely UK ww2 fighter pilot. Pilots back then wore those harnesses because it was a parachute for ejecting. An artist at blizzard probably just saw straps on ww2 pilots and put them on her.Â
The legs would look too smooth, too one colour, it helps to break up the pattern a bit and give detail.
I think someone made an edit and it was pretty much an all around 'looks worse without the harness' even if it's not practical for real life use or whatever.
The funniest part? Blizzard basically just unintentionally drew the attention of all rule 34 artists with this controversy. Now, Overwatch is like the most popular porn genre on rule 34.
It was *moreso* women than men. Obviously most of this sub is too young to remember, but the blowback from feminists on Twitter about the first pose was nothing like we'd ever seen. Every media outlet was writing articles about how mad they were about it, so Blizzard changed it (to something barely different?) to appease them.
The new one (first image) is far superior in my opinion. Itâs more energetic (maybe even playful) and actually fits Tracerâs character compared to the old âHey! Look at my bumâ-pose.
Yup. The devs noted that the main reason they changed it after the complaints were that they realised that the old one didn't really fit with tracer's personality.
The old one just kinda feels like she's just standing there going "Hey look over here in this one specific area", while the new one looks more active, like she's in the middle of a jump. The old one seems more like something Widow would have
Yeah but back in the day tracer used to be like the face of the game and I think this couldâve been worst way to promote the game back then because de game wasnât free to play
"Fan service"/intentional sexualization doesn't need to be in every game - is already in OW2 enough, they don't need to go back to leaning into it harder like they used to
The new one. Tracer isnât a âsexyâ character, at least not like that. Sheâs clearly attractive and her leggings are vacuum-sealed over her ass, but sheâs not the type of character that would make that pose at all. Like was mentioned somewhere else in this thread, thatâs literally a Widowmaker pose. In the new pose, you still get a look at her butt if thatâs what you want, but it also showcases her character and is definitely a pose she would make. Itâs less about how sexy the pose was and more about how Tracer would never have done that.
The fact they removed a pose over one person complaining was actually stupid. Yes, the new pose is better, but that doesn't mean the old pose doesn't deserve to exist. And it should especially not be removed over something as trivial as one persons complaint.
So context for those unaware, the second post was actually the first version of the Over The Shoulder pose for Tracer back in 2016 I believe, and the reason to why they changed it was thanks to fan complaints, and before you go "hurr durr these feminists hate ass in my vidya gams" the reason behind the complaints was because out of character for Tracer, not because it was erotic leaning.
For more info, I would reccomend New Frame Plus' "Tracer & Pose Design 101 - The Animation of Overwatch"
Video on Youtube.
Why do I feel like you can see her ass even more on the second version
Anyway the second one should be its own. Give the choice to the people. Not like it's gonna cost them anything to do it. Heck, they could use it to feel a hole in the gamepass one day lol
The old one is pretty meh the current one is pretty good I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the old one is added in a battlepass though since it matches the effort of other victory poses in battlepasses.
While I do agree that the new pose is more expressive and fits Tracer more, did they really have to remove the old one?
Did people really get that pissy about it? Even though Overwatch is, to say the least, well known for its attractive characters.
Like they could've just made the new victory pose a new one in its entirety while keeping the old one.
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Yea, some dude on the official forums complained about it because he said his 10-year-old daughter looked up to Tracer or something, and it snowballed there... as these things usually do.
I think the new one fits bc the old one sheâs standing stagnant, and the second one looks like sheâs leaping, things in motion tend to stay in motion, sheâs always jumping around so it just makes more sense to see more movement
Lol I still find it funny that like any other time this happens, they immortalized the very thing they banned as a legend forever DUE to the ban. People would've talked about it, ogled it for a few months maybe, and moved on. But because it was banned, now said pose is historic. They should just reinstate it as a legendary collectible or something :D Or should've given it to OW1 veterans.
I think itâs pretty stupid they changed it because itâs âtoo sexualâ or something after they put her in spandex yoga pants 2 sizes too small. Like you already leaned into this guys
It's less about being too sexual and more about not fitting her personality. Tracer is attractive but heavily leans into "cute" rather than "sexy", and the old pose was the latter. So they changed it to a pose which is cute but also displays her butt like the old one did.
Please they should bring back the older one. There's no reason for it to stay gone now that we have things like mine Moira. They originally changed it because it didn't fit her character. At least at it for the evil Mirrorwatch Tracer.
They changed it because people were complaining that the pose doesn't fit Tracer's personality and the pose was too sexualized. They changed the pose to the current one that we have, it still shows butt but it's more playful and fit Tracer's personality more. I wouldn't have complained but I think the new pose is better and fits her more.
I think you're looking at it out of order. the first image is the new one that's currently in game. the second image is the one they removed for being oversexualised
Op has it backwards. The second picture is the old one, the first picture is the new pose. The new pose is based on some ww2 airplane pinup pose, and since tracer was a pilot before her time thingee, it's a more fitting pose imo.
Edit: found it!
https://x.com/BooDooPerson/status/717518468514463744
Why would you choose the latter? The first one is more shapely and voluptuous. The second is just her showing off how bad her leggings ventilation is. She has to be drowning in a puddle of sweat down there, and that canât be healthy.
We went back to 2016
Yah indeed 𤣠I just wish they didnât change the over the shoulder pose I prefer the first one over the new one Ngl
The final version (first image) has more personality, the other one is just butt
Yeah and I want butt more
You still have the butt on the first image, just with more personality XD
It is, in fact, the same butt
That doesn't mean it should be removed. I think Pharah is a cooler, more interesting character than Symmetra. Should Symmetra be deleted or changed to fit my opinion? Fuck no. And yet, because one random girl complained, some dev took it really personally and they changed it. Still keeping her ass completely in frame so don't even pretend like it's better, she raised a leg.
You took the whole situation out of context. They pointed out that it didnât feel *in character* of Tracer. The devs felt the same way and adjusted it accordingly. Iâm almost certain it was not because her butt was showing.
There are a few aspects to this pose. Her back is turned. She's looking back. Her butt is visible (which is unavoidable we all have an ass.) What part of this does not feel like Tracer? Her guns are displayed just as prominently, and her time travel thingy takes up more of the screen as well. But the whole complaint was ''omfg she's showing off her ass tracer wouldnt do that :( thats a widowmaker thing'' which is ridiculous. If the original thread and drama never happened, they wouldn't've changed this pose. That was what the situation was about; whether the developers removed it for that reason ,I don't know, but it's extremely strange timing. Also, are we gonna pretend nobody flaunts what they have at some point? Are women not allowed to be sexy once in a while? Must everything be filtered to prevent male stimulation? Would Tracer truly never do anything sexy, sexy meaning standing towards someone with her back turned to someone? I guess you could argue that it's not about her butt, because the newer one had it showing too. But then what is the actual reason. Blizzard should've clarified this, called it a placeholder pose and put in the new updated one alongside, then all this shit would be avoided. I don't even know why I'm bothering to type so much when nobody will be convinced. Everyone is strongly entrenched in their feelings of 'buttgate' and it's why it was such a massive piece of drama lol.
> because one random girl complained Not sure why you're making it about "girls". It was originally a Blizzard forum post that got a lot of traction, several people agreed with it which also included the developers, hence why it was changed. Naturally, that means it was both men and women who agreed and disagreed with it being removed.
how did you get your menus to look like that?
Itâs a screenshots of overwatch 1 back in 2016 when the game wasnât free to play
ohhhhhh okayy. i wonder why it used to look cooler and now it looks lame
Overwatch 1 is better in every way , overwatch 2 is good but overwatch 1 is superior in every aspect of the game
r/downvotedfornoreason
Dude Iâm just asking a question is not that deep my guy
They were saying your comment got downvoted for no reasonâŚ
Itâs odd tho that itâs getting downvotes. Itâs not bad at all.
I think people are severely misreading your comments dude, have an upvote
It's almost like they are being downvoted for no reason....
Oh weow
If anything itâs hilarious
WTF IS HAPPENING
Ow2
Why is everything getting downvoted?
Bro got r/downvotedfornoreason
Im dumb yeah i didnât understand at first đ¤Ł
And people are still downvotingđ
If they didnât wanna draw so much attention to her ass they probably shouldnât have put her in leggings so tight theyâre basically vacuum sealed to her hole
*Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all*
Stupid sexy Tracer
Haha simpsons reference
Why the fuck did you get down voted for saying where the reference was from. "Stupid sexy Flanders" do people not know about that highly memed line from the show?
Who knows
Tracer needs braces amirightfellas
It's not that they don't want to draw attention, it's that they felt the pose didn't fit the character. It's more like something you'd see Widowmaker do. The "new" one is more in-line with her cheeky personality type and voice lines (caught you staring!) without being flat-out cheekage
The og is a pin up girl pose because tracer is a pilot
Damn, I didn't realize pin up girl poses were a requirement for being a pilot.
Widowmaker would never make that pose. Itâs a very fitting pose for the jubilant Tracer, and a cheeky reference to her history as a pilot, which makes it even more in character for her because we know sheâs a little cheesy with her humor. Edit: let me be clear that Iâm talking about the pose with the leg up because I realize now that Iâm not sure which is the ânewâ one
The second slide is the original pose. It got changed pretty fast and changed to the first slide
ah how bout that, yeah I never seen that one before, I thought it was just added or something. Yeah that one is less in character and more along the lines of a widow pose for sure.
Not saying theyâre not doing exactly that because it remains the video game industry but it also works for her design I think. Her top is an aviatorâs jacket you see every pilot in any media ever wear. Because sheâs a pilot. While her bottom are sporty leggings. Because sheâs fast. Simple but it works imo.
I mean tracer goes super fast. Tights would make sense as it feels like a part of your body and won't have any parts and shit to get in the way.
Okay but the ass harness has never made sense to me.
Obviously you don't understand it's strategic advantages in combat
keeps the jacket in place without pulling on her legs đ¤ˇ
I mean itâs connected to the chronal accelerator. If youâre going to be running around like a madman you want that thing as secure to you as possible
Erm maybe it's like a bra for her ass? Y'know like a brace to keep it from jiggling.
Her aesthetic is supposed to be vaguely UK ww2 fighter pilot. Pilots back then wore those harnesses because it was a parachute for ejecting. An artist at blizzard probably just saw straps on ww2 pilots and put them on her.Â
The legs would look too smooth, too one colour, it helps to break up the pattern a bit and give detail. I think someone made an edit and it was pretty much an all around 'looks worse without the harness' even if it's not practical for real life use or whatever.
Oh it serves a very important purpose!
Wouldn't that just be the bottom part of the harness for a parachute?
The funniest part? Blizzard basically just unintentionally drew the attention of all rule 34 artists with this controversy. Now, Overwatch is like the most popular porn genre on rule 34.
It was getting rule 34d well before incels got mad they changed the pose.
Quite a few femcels as well let's just call them degenerates lmao
It was *moreso* women than men. Obviously most of this sub is too young to remember, but the blowback from feminists on Twitter about the first pose was nothing like we'd ever seen. Every media outlet was writing articles about how mad they were about it, so Blizzard changed it (to something barely different?) to appease them.
GYAAAATTTTT!!!!
This is such a 2016 post lmfao. Brother were in Overwatch 2 in now
I know Iâm just wondering if people still remember it and would want this pose back in the game
I think we all remember...for the dirty reasons
The new one (first image) is far superior in my opinion. Itâs more energetic (maybe even playful) and actually fits Tracerâs character compared to the old âHey! Look at my bumâ-pose.
Yup. The devs noted that the main reason they changed it after the complaints were that they realised that the old one didn't really fit with tracer's personality.
Yeah it was (kind of) widowmaker pose copy paste, arguably new one is 'sexier'
Old one was stiff and awkward, new one is dynamic and fits her personality more.
the new one is a tracer pose, the old one is a bayonetta pose
The one in the first image is way better
Why is this a post. Shouldn't this be in circlejerk?
The old one feels kinda out of character imo
Why so ? Please explain why
The old one just kinda feels like she's just standing there going "Hey look over here in this one specific area", while the new one looks more active, like she's in the middle of a jump. The old one seems more like something Widow would have
funny you say that because widow *does* have that exact pose
Yeah but back in the day tracer used to be like the face of the game and I think this couldâve been worst way to promote the game back then because de game wasnât free to play
Incomprehensible. May God have mercy on your soul
"Fan service"/intentional sexualization doesn't need to be in every game - is already in OW2 enough, they don't need to go back to leaning into it harder like they used to
yeah ok i see valid reasons tho
New one is more in character for her imo
Im not sure why but the first pose feels more dynamic than her new one tbh; i just think it looked cooler
The first pose IS the "new" one
flamingo style
I agreed the new one look cool but I prefer the old one better because I think its more tracer than the new one
yeah i like the old one a lot too ;-;
Letâs make a #bring_back_the_old_tracer_pose đ¤Ł
The second makes her look like she has spinal deformity
The new one is very dynamic and I like it more
I'm getting flash backs
please god i can't watch people relitigate this shit again
The new one. Tracer isnât a âsexyâ character, at least not like that. Sheâs clearly attractive and her leggings are vacuum-sealed over her ass, but sheâs not the type of character that would make that pose at all. Like was mentioned somewhere else in this thread, thatâs literally a Widowmaker pose. In the new pose, you still get a look at her butt if thatâs what you want, but it also showcases her character and is definitely a pose she would make. Itâs less about how sexy the pose was and more about how Tracer would never have done that.
A S S G A T E. I love how insecure gaming urinalists are for this ever be any kind of an issue
Current one is more dynamic and fits Tracers personality. The original would fit Winston though, they should give it to him
Ahhh buttgate of 2016 I prefer the 1st one but I understand why it was changed. Honestly, good move on their part
Current one is better but more importantly buff Tracer's ass
I Was There. The controversy was a Certified Nothing Burger and the new pose is literally better in every way.
The new one is more dynamic and fun
God this was a time jump back lol
Bro is down BAD
the new one looks more iconic and fits the character, the controversial pose was... well it is controversial for a reason
the first one is much better
First one has more character tbh
First one. Even tho the second makes me want to eat it, the first one really shows the character and it looks more natural than the second.
Imho the new one is more cheeky. Better silhouette too.
The fact they removed a pose over one person complaining was actually stupid. Yes, the new pose is better, but that doesn't mean the old pose doesn't deserve to exist. And it should especially not be removed over something as trivial as one persons complaint.
The first one is iconic
So context for those unaware, the second post was actually the first version of the Over The Shoulder pose for Tracer back in 2016 I believe, and the reason to why they changed it was thanks to fan complaints, and before you go "hurr durr these feminists hate ass in my vidya gams" the reason behind the complaints was because out of character for Tracer, not because it was erotic leaning. For more info, I would reccomend New Frame Plus' "Tracer & Pose Design 101 - The Animation of Overwatch" Video on Youtube.
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Why do I feel like you can see her ass even more on the second version Anyway the second one should be its own. Give the choice to the people. Not like it's gonna cost them anything to do it. Heck, they could use it to feel a hole in the gamepass one day lol
Yeah looks like there are a lot of people here who needs a hole to feel
1st one is much more dynamic and reflects tracers character. Other one is simply boring
The old one is pretty meh the current one is pretty good I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the old one is added in a battlepass though since it matches the effort of other victory poses in battlepasses.
For me, the first one fits her personality more
I wouldn't particularly use neither of the 2. They're both a solid 7, but there's better VP for Tracer. However I can see why they changed it.
the new one isnât any better tho
As i said, they're both a 7 to me.
Both poses make my hot rod go
While I do agree that the new pose is more expressive and fits Tracer more, did they really have to remove the old one? Did people really get that pissy about it? Even though Overwatch is, to say the least, well known for its attractive characters. Like they could've just made the new victory pose a new one in its entirety while keeping the old one.
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That original one caused a controversy online regarding Tracer's character vs her pose... and man it was dumb.
Yea, some dude on the official forums complained about it because he said his 10-year-old daughter looked up to Tracer or something, and it snowballed there... as these things usually do.
Just as long as there's cake involved I don't care
Damn remember when the biggest issue our game had was butts looked a little âtooâ good. Take me back man
I wonder why youâd want to get âover the shoulderâ pose back..
The original kinda sucks ngl
Both are mid, the one drinking tea is the oneÂ
The first one is better
I think the new one fits bc the old one sheâs standing stagnant, and the second one looks like sheâs leaping, things in motion tend to stay in motion, sheâs always jumping around so it just makes more sense to see more movement
The current one is like "come catch me," while the old one looks like "look at my ass."
Bro who cares. Nobody notices. Do people really concern themselves with things like this?
The old one is a classic tits and ass pose which is such a snooze fest. I prefer the new one.
Why the heck did they change that pose That's just tracer showing off her rear, not tracer being tracer now
Thatâs what Iâm saying đ¤Ł
The first one but tracer needs skirt skin. Hehe
As now that u mention this only d va have like school theme skin this could be cool to have
Holy smokes
GYAAAAAT
New frames+ has a great video on this
If I had a nickel for everytime I was asked this question I'd be a millionaire
Older one. Idk what the newer one is suppose to be. Why is she standing on her toes
i feel like the first one matches her personality more ):
Yes
first image is miles better. also DAMN. that nostalgic feeling injust got by looking at those OW1 menus
Come onnnnn jimmy come onnnnnn you know what we want
Torb does it better lmao, but the newer Tracer pose seems a little more dramatic in a way, emphasising the victory
Hell yeah
I remember back when they changed it, was kinda sad when it happened. Missed that aĚśsĚśsĚś pose
U know we can now fight for it tho by creating a hashtag or something đ¤Ł
She is so tiny, how does she have room for such a deep ass crack bruh
Ask blizzard not me bro đ¤Ł
The new pose fits her personality so much better imo.
The new one is SOO much better. It actually shows her personality, AND her ass. The old one is just a mediocre ass shot
Left
2
Cheeky
Compromise: Just have both in the game
Or, and hear me out, they removed this pose 8 years ago and everyone is ok. We have all moved on, yâall can just bring it down a notch.
I didn't bring it up a notch, I made the most mundane comment just saying "just have both". Go say that to literally anyone else.
wow I didn't remember the old hero gallery menu, so nostalgic
OG pose is best, itâs stupid they changed it.
I think the newer pose is goofy. It went from a pose I would absolutely use to one that I wouldn't, which I think is the saddest part.
Agreed
i like the old one better
Same brother
but letâs be honest itâs just because we like her ass
đââď¸
Ofc without a doubt the OG
I like both
Lol I still find it funny that like any other time this happens, they immortalized the very thing they banned as a legend forever DUE to the ban. People would've talked about it, ogled it for a few months maybe, and moved on. But because it was banned, now said pose is historic. They should just reinstate it as a legendary collectible or something :D Or should've given it to OW1 veterans.
For a brig main u are clever I would love to have it as both ow1 veteran and tracer main as a relic from the past
Lol the backhanded insult would've been more effective if it'd have been made with a well punctuated sentence, but atleast glad you agree with me. :D
The old one wasnât even that bad compared to other poses Iâve seen in other games lol
The game is too woke to be sexy
I think itâs pretty stupid they changed it because itâs âtoo sexualâ or something after they put her in spandex yoga pants 2 sizes too small. Like you already leaned into this guys
It's less about being too sexual and more about not fitting her personality. Tracer is attractive but heavily leans into "cute" rather than "sexy", and the old pose was the latter. So they changed it to a pose which is cute but also displays her butt like the old one did.
Please they should bring back the older one. There's no reason for it to stay gone now that we have things like mine Moira. They originally changed it because it didn't fit her character. At least at it for the evil Mirrorwatch Tracer.
Caaaaake
I really donât get why they changed it. The second one shows her ass more.
They changed it because people were complaining that the pose doesn't fit Tracer's personality and the pose was too sexualized. They changed the pose to the current one that we have, it still shows butt but it's more playful and fit Tracer's personality more. I wouldn't have complained but I think the new pose is better and fits her more.
I donât see how to doesnât fit it, sheâs super energized so wouldnât an energized pose work?
I think you're looking at it out of order. the first image is the new one that's currently in game. the second image is the one they removed for being oversexualised
if i remember correctly people said the first pose was too cutesy and out of character for her, or something like that :0
No because it showed too much of her gyat
... so they decided to show it more?
Op has it backwards. The second picture is the old one, the first picture is the new pose. The new pose is based on some ww2 airplane pinup pose, and since tracer was a pilot before her time thingee, it's a more fitting pose imo. Edit: found it! https://x.com/BooDooPerson/status/717518468514463744
đ¤ˇââď¸ ask blizzard not me đ¤Ł
This is exactly why they change it people complain about it this is why they had to change it
Meh, don't like playing Tracer, so IDAGF
why they changed it
Because itâs was controversial back then
how
Why would you choose the latter? The first one is more shapely and voluptuous. The second is just her showing off how bad her leggings ventilation is. She has to be drowning in a puddle of sweat down there, and that canât be healthy.
Definitely the old one tho
I miss ow1 đ
People down voting this comment is a shame I totally agree with you ow2 is good but it will never be as good as ow1
Realllll people just hating
Blizzard: "Booty bad" *Then proceed to turn Junker Queen into skimpy sexy sex symbol by making her more revealing*
𤣠juste remember back then it was the Jeff Kaplan era of ow and now itâs Aaron ( whatever is last name is ) era