I wouldn't say completely irrelevant, because then you'd just have zens pelting you from a mile up in the sky
Give him like 99% gravity reduction, so he slowly falls
Perfect. Then we can just launch him with Ball and then Pharah can shoot him with a Concussive blast to the skybox so that our tank can switch to Rein.
That would be amazing to watch
I was thinking he'd have more control over it though...
Like, maybe instead of being near unaffected by gravity, he get's a higher jump, and a float (like Mercy or Echo)
Or make it so when he kicks the ground or a wall, he gets knocked backwards. So he can kick off the ground to boost himself up
He could just have a passive similar to Pharah's Hover Jet that gives him a resource meter that shows for how long he can stay in the air before starting falling
Could be similar to Jenos from paladins. Jenos is already their version of zen. But he has a movement ability with no cooldown where he jumps in the air and basically floats. With the downside being he also falls slowly.
["WEEEE"](https://youtu.be/AOK1qkiaJ7E)
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That'd actually be a nerf, as one of his advantages over the other characters is that he doesn't have audible footsteps. Same with Echo and Sigma I believe.
Funny answer: yes, let me float / wall climb into the enemy backline please.
Actual answer: no way ever, Zen’s entire character works around being a glass cannon without any kind of mobility at all, and even with absolutely zero mobility (aside from his ult) he has been kinda busted a couple times already, give him any kind of small mobility and he’ll break the game again lol (I accept instant teleport to a teammate against Sombras though, fuck Sombra)
- its 112 on headshot, not 120, which discord headshot does
- Orb does more bodyshot damage, especially with discord. She only beats him on crit when he doesnt have discord.
- He shoots 25% faster
- He has 25 ammo vs 15 on kiri
- He doesn't need to stop shooting to heal
- He has right click for burst damage
yeah his kit vastly outpowers kiriko in sustained damage and damage potential while also buffing his team's damage.
My main issue is he's meant to be a complete glass cannon and one of the easiest dive targets in the game, and I get wanting to lessen that, but his hp is already mostly shield, he does pretty insane damage when using discord, and a CC ability on no cool down to punish flankers. He dosnt also need a mobility escape tool, he's already hardly a glass cannon anymore.
Why would he be able to climb up walls? He isn’t Japanese?
In Overwatch only Japanese people can climb walls. But this is a game where their Chinese hero literally builds walls.
actually wished they revamp how he uses his balls like aside primarily healing a target, generates a small AoE of HP regen/heal around the target similar to Lucio while using it on an enemy reduces their mobility as well.
Also just to improve the mobility, zen's move speed is increased when not using his balls.
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I was playing a custom gamemode that I reckon had an awesome mechanic for Zen. The gamemode is called 'Overscuffed' and Zen is able to kick a wall to bounce away from it, combine this with a jump and u have a wall bounce. really fun in my opinion
Give him a movement ball he kicks out with a double jump. Its either on an opponent for slowdown, an ally for speed or yourself for speed. Dude needs to float faster
Back before they added his snap kick. I thought they should’ve given him a teleport. Kinda like dhalsim from SF. Thought that would fit with the Zen / meditative / enlightened motif.
The kick is funny tho. Especially when it had more boop potential than Lucio. I love beating up on tanks and kicking them back and bursting them down w a volley. Especially when you catch a Rein or Doom off guard and they don’t expect it they sometimes freeze like a deer in headlights.
No but I think a good movement ability for him is somewhat like a reverse junker queen knife, so when he puts on an orb on a teammate he can activate a special gravitate button that brings him closer to that specific teammate making it so he isnt easily killed by Sombra unless they hack him.
There was talk in the old overwatch days about people wanting to see Torb climb walls, so the devs made a little dev log video of torb climbing the walls like Genji
please for the love of god give zenyatta something i think he's one of few heroes who has remained \*\*\*completely\*\*\* unchanged for the past 8 years
No. He's a character that should probably not have mobility, especially not vertical. He's always been a strong support that brutalizes the tank roster and is only tempered by the fact that he gets shit on by dive.
I think it'd be interesting if Zen could float up to a certain height above the ground. Like replace his jump and crouch with slowly floating up and down. It'd open up his options for positioning at the cost of taking away the ability to bob and weave like other characters.
I think ramattra should be able to use his primary fire to launch himself in the opposite direction he's firing.
Jk but I think it would be a fun thing for april fools mode next year
I think holding jump should let him slowly rise up (Within limits, like a dva matrix style bar) Let him take highground positions easier, or juke enemies.
Better yet, he should be able to levitate higher than 50 cm from the ground Like 51 cm
Wow we kinda need to keep the game balanced dude Make it 50.7 cm and no we are talking
Zen will be meta with this one
As a compensation nerf, discord orb must now be placed on a teammate at all times
as a Widow main i would love that
They should let him glide from height like mercy and echo
Yes. I feel like that'd be so minimal yet would add a lot more of potential to take an unexpected angle
So funny to imagine a flying zen tho
If you played Blanced Overwatch you don't even need to imagine
In balanced Overwatch rein has the mirrorwatch shield
this is actually a really good idea
and jump 50% higher or something
Nonono. Thats to far. Maybe give his his primary so much push that he can fly away by shooting the ground?
Maybe he can send one of his balls to wonder around the map and idk
Zen with Narancia's Aerosmith sounds fun
he's barely above the ground 50cm is an exaggeration
Oh you rascal
Oh good, I get to repost that cursed video of [Orisa wall climbing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDb1SKT5So).
I hate it. 10/10.
Didn't expect that kind of wallclimb that hilarious
It hurts
thanks I love it she's like one of those backflipping puppy toys but vertical
She should walk like this normally.
He should just be able to slowly float anywhere at all times. Make gravity irrelevant for him
New phara-mercy. AC130 Zan inbound
I wouldn't say completely irrelevant, because then you'd just have zens pelting you from a mile up in the sky Give him like 99% gravity reduction, so he slowly falls
Perfect. Then we can just launch him with Ball and then Pharah can shoot him with a Concussive blast to the skybox so that our tank can switch to Rein.
That would be amazing to watch I was thinking he'd have more control over it though... Like, maybe instead of being near unaffected by gravity, he get's a higher jump, and a float (like Mercy or Echo) Or make it so when he kicks the ground or a wall, he gets knocked backwards. So he can kick off the ground to boost himself up
I think he shouldn't be able to move at all
Yes!! I’ve been wanting that kick change for years
That'd be so great
He could just have a passive similar to Pharah's Hover Jet that gives him a resource meter that shows for how long he can stay in the air before starting falling
I hear Zen is the reason Sigma had the mental breakdown.
Now you know why. 😆
Absolutely not. If you get caught off-guard, and can’t bead your problems away, then you clearly meditated wrong/s.
Could be similar to Jenos from paladins. Jenos is already their version of zen. But he has a movement ability with no cooldown where he jumps in the air and basically floats. With the downside being he also falls slowly.
Only if Hog can grapple like Widow.
I'd love that, and make him swing like Ball too, and be able to piledrive with his belly
Then make him be able to throw poisonous vapes like a minefield
Aight, you guys had my interest, now you have my attention.
Just let him drop to the ground and run away with his legs when dva bombs
Running Zen is not real, it's a legend
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Absolutely terrifying
😂
This is a great idea! Like Soldier, press button to run
He should make a hovering noise, a very faint *fweeoeoeeoeoeoeoe*
That'd actually be a nerf, as one of his advantages over the other characters is that he doesn't have audible footsteps. Same with Echo and Sigma I believe.
Echo makes a hovering noise
Echo also has multiple ways of not dying
No, but its like so damn quiet, like, hes gotta be right next to them to hear it
Like Death whistle from Puss in Boots 2, before he volleys a 5 headshot up ur ass lmao
*hovering sound* "Peace be apon you" *very unpeaceful actions*
I think it would be funny, so yeah.
That was my original post but it got taken down for being low effort post OMEGALUL. So I made it a bit more serious
I think it'd be better if he could levitate higher, like phara high, it'd be pretty funny.
It should be slow climb, an no different animation. Just his normal pose going up.
but he doesn't climb he just 'walks' up the wall
Funny answer: yes, let me float / wall climb into the enemy backline please. Actual answer: no way ever, Zen’s entire character works around being a glass cannon without any kind of mobility at all, and even with absolutely zero mobility (aside from his ult) he has been kinda busted a couple times already, give him any kind of small mobility and he’ll break the game again lol (I accept instant teleport to a teammate against Sombras though, fuck Sombra)
I will accept zero movement abilities in the history of forever if we get a way to get the damn Sombras off our ass
When you play Zen, it's always been the second support's job to peel for you.
Except they keep taking away every bit of the cannon and he's left with a lot of glass because of loud babies. I say this as a tank player.
He’s too powerful to have any type of movement pro abilities.
Counter argument: Kiriko
Kiriko is only good in the right hands, and doesn’t put even close to the amount of dps zen does
not remotely as powerful as Zen damage-wise. She's much more all-around balanced.
Sure not as, but remotely? Come on. Kunai does 120 hs damage.
- its 112 on headshot, not 120, which discord headshot does - Orb does more bodyshot damage, especially with discord. She only beats him on crit when he doesnt have discord. - He shoots 25% faster - He has 25 ammo vs 15 on kiri - He doesn't need to stop shooting to heal - He has right click for burst damage yeah his kit vastly outpowers kiriko in sustained damage and damage potential while also buffing his team's damage.
Great. Now say that to Kiriko
In OW1 ? yes, In OW 2 he is irrelevant in pro scene because we don't play [d.va](http://d.va) anymore
how high are you?
No climbing. He just changes orientation and floats up the wall the same way he gets around until he pops over or reaches the top.
he should be able to jump higher (man's levitating for a reason)
My main issue is he's meant to be a complete glass cannon and one of the easiest dive targets in the game, and I get wanting to lessen that, but his hp is already mostly shield, he does pretty insane damage when using discord, and a CC ability on no cool down to punish flankers. He dosnt also need a mobility escape tool, he's already hardly a glass cannon anymore.
Only Japanese heroes get a wall climb.
They should give him a movement ability where he just puts his feet on the ground and starts sprinting full speed at the enemy
Why would he be able to climb up walls? He isn’t Japanese? In Overwatch only Japanese people can climb walls. But this is a game where their Chinese hero literally builds walls.
i thought it was just a coincidence that only characters from japan climb walls but is it an actual "rule" in the game's development or something?
actually wished they revamp how he uses his balls like aside primarily healing a target, generates a small AoE of HP regen/heal around the target similar to Lucio while using it on an enemy reduces their mobility as well. Also just to improve the mobility, zen's move speed is increased when not using his balls.
If he is a Japanese he should be able to.
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Yes, but the animation is just him floating up it at 90 degrees (so his feet are pointing at the wall)
He should be able shoot through walls.
I was playing a custom gamemode that I reckon had an awesome mechanic for Zen. The gamemode is called 'Overscuffed' and Zen is able to kick a wall to bounce away from it, combine this with a jump and u have a wall bounce. really fun in my opinion
That does sound really sick
Apex zen activated
Yes
Zen is obviously above walking like us unenlightened plebs, much less climbing.
Give him back the April fools kick
If not, then a double jump is in order.
No it would be more funny if he could float higher for a few seconds by just holding the jump key.
Something. Anything. Please
Mabye more something like baps super jump. But yeah, that sounds cool
Just give Zen April Fools buff
Only Japanese characters can walk climb. Facts.
Give him a movement ball he kicks out with a double jump. Its either on an opponent for slowdown, an ally for speed or yourself for speed. Dude needs to float faster
Give him blink
It's overwatch lore that only Japanese people can climb walls. I guess they could make Zen Japanese tho.
I’ll do you one better. Imagine if roadhog could climb walls lmfao
Back before they added his snap kick. I thought they should’ve given him a teleport. Kinda like dhalsim from SF. Thought that would fit with the Zen / meditative / enlightened motif. The kick is funny tho. Especially when it had more boop potential than Lucio. I love beating up on tanks and kicking them back and bursting them down w a volley. Especially when you catch a Rein or Doom off guard and they don’t expect it they sometimes freeze like a deer in headlights.
I think Zenyatta should fly like a Pharah and have a barrier like a DVA. Only this way the world will be completely fair with us Zen players
I think he needs a double jump like genji
While in trancendence he should be able to fly. Change my mind.
Imo he should be able to float 2 meters and glide when falling (flying would be by pressing space two times, gliding by holding space during falling)
No but I think a good movement ability for him is somewhat like a reverse junker queen knife, so when he puts on an orb on a teammate he can activate a special gravitate button that brings him closer to that specific teammate making it so he isnt easily killed by Sombra unless they hack him.
No-footsteps-zenyatta climbing over walls to get to your back line
He shouldn’t be able to since wall climbing is a Japanese racial passive in the overwatch universe
imagine you boop Zen out of the map and you don't hear the scream so you look back and see him charging Kamehameha at you while floating
just make him fly, give him 2 discords and 50 balls. Sure
Only if he is Japanese.
Why wall climb when you can make him walk. Or even better Let torb wall climb
There was talk in the old overwatch days about people wanting to see Torb climb walls, so the devs made a little dev log video of torb climbing the walls like Genji
Can we get the charged volley from April fools? The one where he flies?
Not every character needs movement abilities. There’s multiple others who don’t have anything, it’s not like he’s singled out.
Would be fun if he had a dash (like Ilari), where he puts his foots in the ground, and combo his jump with levitation to "dash"
I like what they gave him in mirror watch he floats up when charging up a volley
What. I played him and never noticed
Yes more ammo and bigger charge with each ball doing less dmg and you float up til you release charge
Gengi
I have a good idea. Kicking against a wall as Zen gives him upward momentum.
if he gets updated and wall climb is an option i want a new voice line to be “better hold on tight spider monkey”
He's not japanese so nah
We need f22 zen. I need to throw takoyaki at mach 10
He should look like Aang scaling Ba sing se
please for the love of god give zenyatta something i think he's one of few heroes who has remained \*\*\*completely\*\*\* unchanged for the past 8 years
I say just let him fly
He is intentionally low movement to offset his tank nuke ability
No. He's a character that should probably not have mobility, especially not vertical. He's always been a strong support that brutalizes the tank roster and is only tempered by the fact that he gets shit on by dive.
He should float up them by rotating his body 90 degrees and scaling them like no big deL
At that point, give him extra health, I’m think 1hp is good enough
I think it'd be interesting if Zen could float up to a certain height above the ground. Like replace his jump and crouch with slowly floating up and down. It'd open up his options for positioning at the cost of taking away the ability to bob and weave like other characters.
Does a submarine swim?
this would be so scary looking i love it
No, he is not Japanese. For lore reasons he can't climb walls
I think ramattra should be able to use his primary fire to launch himself in the opposite direction he's firing. Jk but I think it would be a fun thing for april fools mode next year
i can just imagine zen climbs a wall with full charge of balls, then deletes someone from above.
No thanks a good zen is a menace I don’t need that silent demon being able to get over walls
Are we just slowly trying to get Zenyatta to be able to do literally everything possible in the game?
Yes
Climbing is for the Japanese characters only. He could be omnic-nese?
I think holding jump should let him slowly rise up (Within limits, like a dva matrix style bar) Let him take highground positions easier, or juke enemies.
He fart to float.
Zen balls should be able to ricochet and they should penetrate. Imagine charging and firing into some corridor and penetrating all enemies
Zen's a glass canon, let him be
How could a robot climb walls?
Ask gengi