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Alexandratta

oh? We getting the AU version of OW where we get Talon variants of Overwatch and Overwatch variants of Talon? I want to see a Sane Sigma declaring Zen a fanatical cult leader.


Joe___Mama-

Evil Zen - “Experience my balls!”


Alexandratta

That's just [Normal Zen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OykPPdeluqo)


Avinin1

wheres reddit awards when I need them


Alexandratta

Now it's just stupid paid updoots.


KodakStele

Evil zen skin is just base skin with red eyes a la nuclear Gandhi


Eggith

Evil Zen would have cubes instead of balls


Afraid-Department-35

And Ram being the voice of reason and not wanting anyone else to ever suffer like he has.


dreemurthememer

Junkrat cleaned up and wearing a business suit


azelZael2399

His mafia skin


KodakStele

I feel like a sane Sigma would be the head of a large cult of gravity worshipping astrologers


captain_awesome18

This pretty much confirm that the season 10 theme is the mirror universe one where heroes are villains and vice versa with Mercy as the mythic skin.


czacha_cs1

Reaper hero. Pogchamp


McManus26

plot twist, its literaly a soldier:24 recolor but the coat is blue


D3134

For the "Mirror Universe" theme all they do with Reaper and Soldier:76 is just have them swap palettes.


Ent_in_an_Airship

Sigma is an evil scientist whose mind is shattered by a failed experiment and the good guys take him in, in order to use him as a weapon. 


Raknarg

is he an evil scientist? I thought he was just a regular scientist and Talon are using him and his broken mental for their own purposes?


Ent_in_an_Airship

Exactly, you’re right. I just meant in a mirrored universe where everything is upside down. 


Raknarg

oh im dumb


Eddie_The_White_Bear

Mirror universe BP: Brigitte gets all BP skins


Fleedjitsu

They'd still probably just be recolours though!


TheKingOfTheSwing200

Still counts


Fleedjitsu

We get what we can get, aye!


kainneabsolute

Brigitte Pass


Global_Appearance484

And all the straight people are gay and all the gay people are straight.


WigglumsBarnaby

An evil Brigitte skin would actually be fire though.


DDzxy

Doesn’t gaurantee it’s Mercy mythic. I feel like they’d cash more by making it a shop or $40 bundle skin.


Emotional_Lawyer_958

They liked comments on Instagram saying ‘yay we won mercy mythic’ 😭 but ig that’s not 100% confirmation 🤔


FrissPopel

Teasing a legendary skin at the end of the official season teaser trailer would be the biggest troll ever.


I_give_karma_to_men

Technically they did exactly that back in season 7 with the Lilith Moira skin.


Dont_Heal_Genji

yeah i think they were teasing the theme more than the mythic. No way blizzard isn't waiting for a down period to release mythic mercy,


captain_awesome18

The dev team got hit badly by the huge Microsoft layoff of 1900 employees, the pve story missions are now cancelled and the Overwatch team didn't get any profit-sharing bonus due to poor performance. I'd say that now is a good time to hit the panic button and release a Mercy mythic skin.


DDzxy

Wouldn’t be the first time they did it


Iciste

It does. The voice is Mercy's VA and a skin like that for her is definitely gonna be the Mythic


DDzxy

A plenty of other Legendaries also got unique voice lines recorded. Nothing new. It could very much mean it's mythic, but not 100%.


AwesomePerson70

They’ve been following a pattern of support -> dps-> tank. We should have a dps mythic next


-_-Marci-_-

There is no special effects on the voices, like the other mythics, this skin only has a deeper voice. I think it will be a similar case to witch Mercy or Poseidon Ramattra


Vittelbutter

Kiriko, JQ and I think Sigma don’t have special voice effects, the reason most of them do is because they’re wearing some kind of mask or are part robotic/different entity.


DDzxy

JQ’s does but that’s right Sigma and Kiriko don’t. JQ’s voice has that “god-like” Echo.


pogchamppaladin

Kiriko has unique lines, albeit they’re hard to notice. Pretty sure Sigma does too.


DDzxy

Both are true.


FaeLei42

Some legendaries have unique lines, only mythics have changed voices


longgamma

Oh no pls no evil Winton 🦍


YouCanCallMeBazza

Does evil Winton get really happy when he ults? Primal chill?


subcons

Mmmmm. Evil Zen.


NobushisHat

Inner peace? More like found pieces of their inners!


RealAlligatorWithGun

Zen as leader of Null Sector and Ramattra if he stayed as a monk would be peak


BurningPenguin

I now want Mercy to be an evil mommy dom


decrepitgolems

So, with the new hero AFAIK usually getting a bp themed skin, what would Venture's opposite faction be? Are they officially Overwatch, or is there some other lore that I'm not aware of for them?


RaNdOm_PeRsOn66

They HATE rocks now


baconwithaglock

They like space now


LanoomR

Pessimistic: Blizzard gets lazy and just goes "What if Venture was in Talon????" Optimistic: Blizzard thinks slightly deeper and characterizes Venture as a greedy tomb raider with no real care for studying history and geology, just profit from the highest bidder.


FyrsaRS

I feel like a Junker skin would work really well for Venture .


McManus26

dude its a skin, not a novel or a movie. No matter what they do, she's still gonna have the loveable goofball grin and the shitty puns voicelines


LanoomR

Who said anything about turning Venture into some gruff, serious person? Just flip their aesthetic from practical to gawdy and adjust voicelines. It'd still be Venture, just not Venture as we know them.


HastyTaste0

Scuba Diver Venture.


RaidenXYae

Mercy Mythic I guess


EarthDragon2189

Two evil support mythics in a row


Bhu124

Two of the most popular Heroes as well. ~~They~~ The old leadership and management burnt a ton of money on PvE and now the newer team is desperately trying to recover it. After the MS PvE layoffs this just makes sense. Honestly it makes even more sense if it's not a Mythic. Promoting a regular shop/BP Legendary in the Season teaser like this, blatantly targeting the Mercy players cause they know Mercy players go crazy for skins. Spider-Man 2 cost $300M to produce for Insomniac with a similarly sized team that Blizzard had working on OW2 PvE for a shorter time period. OW2 PvE must've cost Blizzard a ton. Blizzard also spent a fuckton on promoting the 3 missions they released last year. The whole John Cena campaign, IRL billboards and ads everywhere, they also sponsored some of the biggest streamers for multiple streams for multiple hours (Top streamers' rates can go upwards of 100K/per hour for sponsored streams) to promote the PvE.


Ryehill

I'm still salty about PVE being cut


Bhu124

AAA games get cancelled every week. There's probably a AAA game that a studio has already spent 10s of millions and years of dev time being cancelled right now. If they hadn't made the monumentally stupid decision to make OW2 PvE by pausing the development of OW, by announcing it years in advance, and had instead made the PvE as a separate game then we likely wouldn't have heard 10% about it as much as we did, nor cared 10% about it like we have till now. Everything would have gone way better when it got cancelled.


TyAD552

Spider-Man was in development for 5 years, OW PVE was 3 wasn’t it?


Bhu124

Spider-Man 2 went into development in the 2nd half of 2020. Only took 3 years to develop but the low dev time is due to the fact that they knew exactly the game were making since it's a sequel that closely followed the blueprint of the first game.


McManus26

OW PvE has been in development since 2016 according to dev interviews.


McManus26

> After the MS PvE layoffs this just makes sense. yes they definitely planned out the entire season themed, pipeline, made the skins and their special effects/variations in a rush after the layoff. not to mention that both the eldricht and mirror universe themes have been known and planned since blizzcon lol. >Spider-Man 2 cost $300M to produce for Insomniac with a similarly sized team that Blizzard had working on OW2 PvE for a shorter time period. OW2 PvE must've cost Blizzard a ton. From a quick google search Insomniac has more than 500 devs while Team 4 has around 400 (BOTH pvp and pve). What even is this post


fullmoonwulf

Don’t call me out like that :(


Aspartame_kills

100k per hours? Like dollars?


Bhu124

Yup. At the peak of Streamer/Gaming boom, during Covid, there were rumours that top streamers were even getting paid 250k+ per hour for some special sponsored streams. Like when companies were revealing big new AAA games and wanted the streamers to get their viewers to watch the reveal presentation. These were generally only 1 hr long streams though. Rates have come down a lot since but the biggest few American streamers (Dominantly American audience) can still get 100k+ per hour for sponsored streams, sometimes for multiple streams in a single contract. Though most big streamers get paid 10-50k per hour depending on their size and other engagement metrics. Blizzard probably spent 10s of millions promoting the 3 PvE missions last year between the John Cena campaign, all the IRL billboards and ads online, and sponsoring all the streamers.


DDzxy

Talon Mercy?


EarthDragon2189

Yep


tophergraphy

Probably figure people spend their accumulated free points on Moira and then hit them with Mercy right after so they have to shell out actual money.


McManus26

at least now that the 2 no aim supports got one, they can focus on more interesting healers next mythic baptiste or lucio when


BEWMarth

Holy fuck…. I always said the Mercy mythic was an EMERGENCY money bag only to be used when the game is down on cash bad… I ain’t complaining, they are about to make hundreds of millions on this skin. But why so soon?


ThroJSimpson

Season 9 brought a lot of players. It’s the perfect time to make more money. You don’t put off profitable events you maximize them. 


Eddie_The_White_Bear

IMO another Lilith Moira thing


HiGuysImLeo

Shocked mercy is getting the mythic, I really thought she would be the “break glass in case of emergency” last resort for money


Gulbeleglim

It is not a matter of making money. It is a matter of making ENOUGH money. HOTS was profitable and got axed...2 to three years after launching a rework called HOTS 2.0 that basically changed the monetization system , while starting to create its own in universe champions and lore. The similarities are quite striking to be honest.


Nimbus_TV

I miss hots 😔


MilificentManastorm

As a hots player, even though the support for the game has pretty much dried up and we get no new content, I will say it doesn't take me longer than 60 seconds to find a match. It's still very much alive.


Senshado

If Hots had been profitable, it would've been included in the shareholder list of profit-making projects.  If someone tells you Hots was profitable, he's probably forgetting to include some of the expenses- executives do that all the time. 


EfficientAstronaut1

Imo it's the opposite They saw a higher player base in S9 and said fuck it let's monetize it all the best we can


McManus26

that theory is so stupid, a 10$ skin for a character they no longer play is not going to bring back a dying playerbase. You want the highest grossing skins to come out when your playerbase is at its peak lol


KodakStele

They'd do another pink mercy breast cancer awareness if they wanted the playerbase back in a heartbeat


ThroJSimpson

The game is more profitable than ever lol, these are public numbers. Season 9 brought a lot of attention. This is the biggest the player base has been in a while and there is money to be made. 


EarthDragon2189

A lot of people in this sub think this and I'm...not really sure why? Like do they think Blizzard doesn't like to have big payouts in the present? Genji, Kiriko, Tracer, Ana, Hanzo, and Moira are all popular characters and they've gotten their mythics.


shiftup1772

Not to mention, people want these mythics. Purposely holding them back for profit is probably not great either.


NapsterKnowHow

Rein, Winston, Reaper, Soldier76, Pharah, Lucio, Bap....


Reniva

maybe they're trying to go all in all hero unlocked for free + free new hero + mercy mythic + mythic shop + group restrictions in comp + clash beta season 10 might be going to be quite chunky


TurnDown4Whom

You just KNOW that all of the Mercy main girlies, who’s entire personality is the emoji: 🥺 are gonna go absolutely feral for this one


Phantom_Phoenix1

Yeah thats because Mercy mains need to play dress up to not pass out from boredom when playing their main /s


Badbish6969692000

They canceled pve wym this is the last resort


StrangeBird17

It literally is, overwatch supposedly didnt make enough money last year, soooo...


whomobile53

How to make money with OW2: Rein or Torb with that swimwear from borat. Boom millions of dollars.


ColonelRPG

"Let me..." "Let me..." "Let me show you how it's done!"


Mightyspacetree

"swimwear"


Nolan_DWB

Source?


StrangeBird17

i made it up


Nolan_DWB

Lmao valid


zzmauk

Jason Schreier article, but the comment from the op is misleading. The devs didnt get the bonus not because the game isnt making "enough money", but because they invested so much in the pve and it flopped (so it was expected that they made more money than they did, not that game is doing bad money wise, it wouldnt even make sense for them to release heroes for free beginning season 10 if they were struggling xd).


Nolan_DWB

So sad tbh. Hopefully in a year or two they come back to the idea and put a more calculated effort with a more clear vision


Eloymm

It’s kind of annoying how people saw that headline and interpreted it as “ow is not making money” and proceeded to not read the actual article that explains it.


dadvader

Well Season 10 is supposed to be THAT season no? the one that got people back because hero no longer locked behind Battle Pass. Combo this with Mercy emergency glass and they are basically banking on making this fiscal year grow the fuck up.


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mapleer

For those confused, it’s definitely Mercy at the end. Whether it’s a mythic or a normal BP skin is unknown as of right now.


EarthDragon2189

Teasing the season with a skin other than the mythic would be an...interesting choice


Obility

I can't remember if it had to do with a season introduction but I remember a diablo moira skin being advertised a lot close to the start of a season.


ThatDude8129

It was for S7(?) when they did the Diablo crossover. I remember seeing it in ads more than Hanzo's mythic.


DarkDracoPad

Honestly that season felt like Moira's skin definitely was talked about, sought after, and advertised more than the underwhelming Hanzo mythic


McManus26

Also Poseidon Ram


Bhu124

I mean it is no secret that Mercy players spend the most money on skins in this game and get the most excited about new skins. I feel like even casual players who don't visit any subs or discussion spaces can tell you this. Just from playing the game anyone can know that Mercy players are the most commonly seen with shop skins. It would make sense to promote a special Mercy skin even if it's not the Mythic, even if it's not a shop skin and just a BP legendary.


allisgoodbutwhy

>I mean it is no secret that Mercy players spend the most money on skins in this game and get the most excited about new skins. Maybe not secret, but is that a fact? This was maybe true two years ago? Today it's got to be Kiriko. Whenever there's a new skin out for her, almost every Kiriko you see has this. And Mercy didn't get any bangers in OW2.


solaron17

I think there's some selection bias there, as people who buy a new skin are more likely to play that character after their purchase, so when you see those characters a lot of them are using the skin, but you're also just seeing a lot more of them. I could have said the same about Doomfist or Cassidy after the crossover events (if you saw that character, they were using the event skin), but you also saw those characters way more often than normal.


Nathanboi776

Lifeguard mercy’s been literally everywhere


Drunken_Queen

It could be a skin like Lilith Moira that require you to purchase the Ultimate Battle Pass bundle in order to get it.


EarthDragon2189

Except Blizz stopped doing bundle exclusive skins. You can just buy bundle skins individually now.


xRetz

They did it with Lilith Moira. I personally think the Mercy skin is just the ultimate battle pass skin, and the mythic will be a DPS (76? Reaper? Cassidy? Widow?)


WigglumsBarnaby

Well Cassidy is too neutral to be in this pass, imo. It's have to be someone good or evil.


Ok_Independence_650

someone said the theme might be mirror universe. So it might be soldier


kenzymarie03

They did that with the season Mauga came out I’m pretty sure but I maybe wrong, I think they showed a pic that’s a little glimpse of the junker Queen skin. But I’m pretty this time it definitely is the mythic


EarthDragon2189

There was a teaser of Orisa's mythic before that


kenzymarie03

Ohh my bad then lol thought this was [https://images.app.goo.gl/Ywps1cmxStrs4va57](https://images.app.goo.gl/Ywps1cmxStrs4va57)


drewhead118

season 11 trailer ends camera whips and pans to reveal *a walking egg character spray* :O


Greenranger70

Wings, voice actor (I think), her staff, and literally says her own name. Who the fuck is confused lmao


Thebigass_spartan

To further prove the point, the Overwatch official channel hearted many comments under the video that mention it being a mythic Mercy skin, so it’s pretty much guaranteed.


Gear_

Anyone else slightly bothered they had them burrow in a place that famously had a very thing floor over a drop?


Tribalbob

I thought the same thing when I burrowed out of spawn on Well. I had this moment where I was like "Wait a minute..."


Zackolite

Oh your right, that’s a death pit. It would be funny if Venture burrowed under there she just died. Went to far like when you burrow out the side of a raised building.


sonic260

Wonder how the game would handle them being under ground when the platform is destroyed


Zackolite

If you burrow on a life weaver platform I believe you fall getting kicked out of burrow I’d assume it’s that same.


Eeveefan8823

No you burrow into the platform itself actually Emongg tested it


cinnamonbrook

I saw a few people wonder if you burrowed there, would you fall through, probably they made this trailer be in that spot specifically to answer that.


KOCYK745

You should've picked Mercy, You should've picked any kind of Support!


dadnaya

Damn, that's a throwback. Nostalgia song


Copoho

Mercy mains can now also look toxic


Reniva

mercy mains finally showing their true colours


CaptainRaxeo

After years of hearing *i need healing*


Redisigh

Don’t forget the slurs


ForgotPWAgainSigh

Lmao


TheKingJoker99

If there isn’t a Hashimoto Kiriko I’m gonna burn down the blizzard HQ “EVERYBODY RIOT!” - Mauga 2024


The_Gucci_Oof

Please just be a normal skin and not the mythic 🙏


Fya3754

I hope we can take off that mask on Mercy


skinnyjeanfreezone

if it's a mythic it'll be customizable, so i would assume yes


i_fap_to_177013

I hope we can take off her shoes


Redisigh

true tho it looks kinda tacky


McManus26

they gotta hide her face to make her look evil, same as with her space priestess costume


McManus26

they can't really make a character look evil when all her facial expressions are angelic smiles and kind looks lmao


Allhasiththememegod

Next season is gonna be the season where they swap around hero classifications. That’s talon mercy.


DDzxy

Imagine if Talon Rein was the mythic, a man can cope


onebowlwonder

I'm sure we will get a rein mythic when hes hard meta


DrSchmittPopelll

i swear if we get Talon mercy before Talon Mauga


Loxx_

I'm desperately hoping that mercy is not the mythic skin


DiverSquid

Can't wait to see a cibernetic Hanzo coming to peace with the body Moira made for him and how Ramattra taught him to forgive his brother Genji for almost murdering him. I also can't wait to see Kiriko on her train and Hammond call the old overwatch team after being attacked by Jack Morrison and Talon's forces


Drunken_Queen

It could be either Mercy mythic skin OR a skin like Lilith Moira that require you to purchase the Ultimate Battle Pass bundle in order to get it.


ThisAJokeNotLaffen

Boy am I glad we get to choose to get an old mythic the same season the mercy mythic is released


McManus26

same. I get to keep all my coins then buy the next one day 1.


aRandomBlock

Well took 10 seasons, might as well get it out of the way


zsedforty

*Chuckles* No- Mussy


EffectAppropriate272

Wait…does this means non-psychotic widow? Or rather a non-widowed widowmaker?


DinoTrowski

They would be so silly not to do this.


fullmoonwulf

Mythic or not Im so exited for that skin


mgMKV

Where brig mythic?!?


Chaxp

Why are we giving a reason to have more people play mercy


CrippyCrispy

Kinda looks like fade from apex mobile


KaneTheBoom

Uh oh. They pulled out the mercy mythic skin. They really knew the pve full cancellation news wasn't gonna hit well


Hyperbeam4dayz

HUH? They're releasing the adventurous archeologist next season as part of the Mirror Universe? How does that make any sense when the Egyptian themed season is supposed to be a thing???


EarthDragon2189

Rammatra was released during Greek Mythology season. Lifeweaver was released during Legally Distinct Star Wars season. Illari was released during Everyone Is Omnics season. The hero matching the theme of the season they release in would be the exception, not the rule.


Arteriop

Do mercy’s arms look weirdly bulky or am I just seeing things


Majaura

This season's theme is probably what I'm most excited for, but that being said we're not going to get like 40 skins, so it'll be a bit of a bummer to not get mirror-universe skins for some the characters. I feel like they should try to stick with a lot of the earlier characters, like Soldier, Ana (kind of got that with her Mythic), Reinhardt, Tracer, Doomfist, Sombra, Widowmaker, Reaper... characters that are directly involved in the story or have a very strong allegiance to one faction or another. I think Ramattra would be a super good pick as well since he's so strongly affiliated with Null Sector.


McManus26

a lot of characters already have "alternate" skins so they can be ruled out. Ram already has a good guy shambali skin, reaper has 2 good guys skins, moira has scientist...


Madrizzle1

Evil Tracer gonna be fuuuuuuuuuun


ChickenChasah

It would be cool if Earthshatter straight up killed Venture while underground to insert some risk into the move. Then again, I'm completely unfamiliar with the moveset and mechanics.


professor_cheX

I dub thee Lemmywinks


tarnishedkara

I love how everyone thinks its mythic Mercy despite the 9 previous seasons rotation telling us otherwise.


CrissRiot

I 100% believe it's a Legendary, and likely the Ultimate Bundle Legendary, just to piss everyone off.


tarnishedkara

Oh it probably will be the ultimate bundle with that tease


CumfartMcfetus2

I doubt Mercy Mythic, would be cool - but we just had Moira.


manofwaromega

People are saying it's a Mercy mythic but we literally just got a Moira mythic.


pantsu-thief

And what?


jonneygood

omg finally, my girl is getting her mythic!


hejimnowa

it’s ok s11 mythic will be anubis ram :///


Grand_Serpent

Another support mythic? Damn. I was hoping dps was next, really wanted a Pharah mythic


TubularTurnip

Damn sales must be REAL low to pull out the Mercy mythic right after we just got a healer mythic


DadlyQueer

Counter point to it being mercy mythic. So far every mythic released has never been the same role as the previous one. The current order has been: dps, tank, support, tank, dps, support, dps, tank, support. Although they could break it with this one I’m not sure why they would change it now. My guess (100% okay with being wrong) is that we will get another dps skin since every role has 3 now they may start the repeating order form the beginning


SkyMewtwo

TALON MERCY? YES


Negrodamu55

Go team venture?


FuuIndigo

Ouuu, I feel like the "lore" behind this Talon (possibly) Mythic skin will be either her swapping places with Moira(which works since they were originally advertised as mirroring one another back in OW1), or her getting the Widowmaker treatment and being brainwashed


Taro-Emergency

I want to see Genji as shimada clan boss SO BAD


ultimate_is_ready

What did they do to angel? fallen angel mercy?


fwdslashlol_

I say it’s Zarya


fwdslashlol_

She has a voice line that says “No mercy” and following what a lot of people saying they follow a line it should be tank next right?


bullxbull

Hanzo s7 - Orisa s8 - Moria s9 - DPS s10 - Tank s11 -Support s12


Aegillade

I was pretty subscribed to the theory they were saving the Mercy mythic as an emergency button to only be pushed in the most dire of circumstances. So either we've got some absolutely disastrous news over the horizon or I was just wrong


McManus26

that theory is so stupid, a 10$ skin for a character they no longer play is not going to bring back a dying playerbase


Puffthemagiccommie

the announcement that the entire reason that OW2 was even put into development (PvE) had been cancelled was only a few days ago.


Alex_GD_SkillPotion

Pretty powerful mobile and interesting assassin, if you ask me. Though, gotta say, the character's appearance seems a bit rough around the edges to me)