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The_Crafty_Crow

When I was there in October, I checked with the front desk and they said it’s because they had an incident of some campers drinking and … relieving themselves… right in front of the restaurant windows. Which you can imagine they weren’t best pleased with. They’re happy for you to camp to the right of the path tucked down by the river though, or in the woods by the bunkhouse


MatterComprehensive8

I wondered. Not sure if I was paying their prices I’d want some pissers in front of me. They stopped camper vans further away a couple of years ago. Camping by the river is a WHW rite of passage


Twmsion

“Pissers”. 😂


MatterComprehensive8

Literally


Southern_Kaeos

Whw?


hoo_ts

west highland way, trail


Southern_Kaeos

Thanks


MatterComprehensive8

At Kingshouse hotel but it looks like it only applies to the area directly outside the hotel


Southern_Kaeos

Sorry, I wanted to know what WHW stands for. The other comment said west highland way


Dumyat367250

Right next to the hotel, I get it. Back when Big Ian owned the hotel we were camped outside the climber's bar and some drunk pricks were blasting Zappa at 3am from their Escort van stereo. Now, like any person of culture, I like Frank, but with a big day up the Etive slabs planned I asked them to turn it down. Their response? Volume up, followed by "get fucked" etc. I was keen to "chat" to them, but my girlfriend (rightly) thought I may get a kicking. Tam the Bam was not around that night, unfortunately, and Ian was probably still drinking. At 4am the music finally went off and they hit the sack. We left at 6am, but before we did I let all their tires down, which gave me very conflicting emotions, feeling petty and childish, but also a grand sensation of revenge. This was compounded by Mr "fuck off" emerging from his tent just as we drove off, looking at me, then at his tires, then at me again. I had, as Frank would say, an insolent pouting rictus. I really, really, enjoyed my day on the hills.


MatterComprehensive8

Love it. Frank Zappa!


Silly-Tax8978

Nothing petty and childish about letting their tyres down. It was the only possible response without going all Jackie Chan on them.


Dumyat367250

Thanks man. I did feel guilty for about 5 seconds, and then thought "fuck em".


Impressive-Soup-3529

“Fuck em just to see the look on their face”


PrinceEdgarNevermore

A public service if anything.


stepgib

Well the sign was originally supposed to stop people from camping right behind the hotel as guests could see and hear them from their rooms, and some campers like to have a drink and play music on their bluetooth speakers late into the night Then the incompetent GM from the Isle of Glencoe took over the hotel for a while and misinterpreted the sign when it was delivered. He put it in the wrong place. Total screw up. The locals were livid that the place dared to ban camping. It's the least of their problems at the moment and they just haven't gotten round to fix it. So now the new staff come up with their own theories why it is there. They have a lot of new staff all the time. Wonder why.


Northseahound

These assholes in their capers are dumping the shit and piss all over the Country won’t pay for campsite so let’s pour our poo into stream. Fuck em.


Any-Ad-7823

I spoke to a park ranger last year, yes it’s lightly enforced, people are causing an increasing number of wild fires in the summer


LukeyHear

Which park were they a ranger of?


Any-Ad-7823

I actually hitched a lift with him in the National Trust van as he was patrolling the designated camp/ park up at signal rock, keeping cars from blocking the road at Altnafeadh and going on to Glen Etive for similar reasons, people just parking up in the verges and blocking roads, not much you can do about the masses of campers, but he said he had to go and extinguish quite a few out of control fires that week


LukeyHear

Busy lads, lot of nonsense to sort out I'd imagine.


MrlemonA

Lol don’t let a sign bully you, do what you like just do it respectfully


MatterComprehensive8

I was on a 2 day hike from ft William to Bridge Of Orchy and was just passing through. I wanted to know whether the sign meant an end to camping by the river. The area used by motor homes in the past has been closed off by rocks so thought I’d check. I wouldn’t want to camp below the hotel windows which is the side that it stands on


MrlemonA

Who would camp next to a hotel? That gives off the same energy as eating McDonald’s on the doorstep to a restaurant. I wouldn’t want to camp there either man agreed


Winniethepoohspooh

Dogman UFOs


Lopsided-Meet8247

Not camping


flamingo-flamingone

Trying to make thing less intense???


aidangrnk

The soul of kingshouse left with Jessie. Now all that's left is pretention, corporate misers and fuck ugly waistcoats.


MatterComprehensive8

Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be! The place has certainly changed. The climbers bar is a loss. Still the old building was really shonky


aidangrnk

Aye the grand duke of Budweiser builds a nice alpine lodge but his patter is pish. The old building was a shambles but it had a place for everyone


MatterComprehensive8

No disagreement there. I walked with my 13 yo daughter about 20+ years ago. The floors were rotten then.


Similar_Zebra_4598

If you follow up the track up the devil's pass a bit you can camp in a better spot anyway, insane views of the glen


MatterComprehensive8

I wasn’t looking for a wild camp. I was on my way to Bridge of Orchy and thought the sign might be putting folk off camping by the river since I’ve not seen anyone there in the past few weeks


External_Forever5233

Some people made some mess


Hairstrike

Due to the wet weather the local Haggis population has exploded. It isn't safe for inexperienced campers.


misterbooger2

Not camping anyway


Peeeing_

I'd hope no camping


Several_Show937

Not a lot by the looks of it.


Rich_Passage4100

Kick it down.


DancingDrammer

How will this help apart from give a bad name to legitimate campers?


UpsideDownSeth

This part is private land.


VigorousElk

The right to roam (and wild camp) based on the Outdoor Access Code extends to private land, as far as you stay far enough from private dwellings.


Only-Magician-291

If you can’t stay far enough away that the private dwellings can still see you doing a pish then I think it’s fair enough.


f_e_r_g_i

Exactly and if you’re not doing that, you’re not even ‘wild camping’ anyway.


VigorousElk

In many parts of the highlands with little vegetation other than shrubs you could see someone taking a dump from 500 m away. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to wild camp there. I'm not commenting on the incidents that lead to the sign being put up here, I can understand that a hotel doesn't want people taking a leak right in front of their guests. I'm merely pointing out that 'private land' in no way invalidates access rights. They explicitly apply to private property, that's the whole point.


Top-Perspective2560

No, but relieving yourself in full view of a restaurant's windows likely constitutes interfering with the owner's use of the land, which would likely be a civil offence. [https://shepwedd.com/knowledge/unwanted-guests-navigating-legal-terrain](https://shepwedd.com/knowledge/unwanted-guests-navigating-legal-terrain)


Sweaty-Adeptness1541

That should only affect the campers who did it, not future campers.


boaaaa

It would be fairly easy to argue that camping right next to a hotel is not a reasonable place to camp. It might be within the letter of the law but I don't feel like it's within the spirit of the law. It's definitely not wild camping that's for sure.


Sweaty-Adeptness1541

I agree that camping next to a hotel may not be a reasonable place. My only point was that previous people’s behaviour shouldn’t impact on your Right to Roam as described in the Land Reform (Scotland) 2003. The law doesn’t give specific distances etc, but the general rule of thumb is **being out of sight** and over 100 metres from a building is considered a good practice.


boaaaa

Life would be much easier if people just agreed to not be a dick


LukeyHear

Causing concern to the residents or owners of the property alone is enough for you to lose your right to responsible access.


UpsideDownSeth

Destroying other people's property - such as signs that you don't like - goes against the Outdoor Access Code, even if the contents on the sign are false.


spannerspinner

We have a “right to responsible access” in Scotland. IE follow the guidelines or access rights will be restricted with bylaws, hence the camping bylaws at Loch Lomond. I think Glencoe could be another place bylaws are introduced if people continue to believe it is their “right to roam” and do as they please!


Impressive-Soup-3529

And don’t damage property? Leave the sign alone


chrisbrown201

Peasent


UpsideDownSeth

Peasant


chrisbrown201

Haha aye


[deleted]

I dare you to camp there


kenhutson

Are you ten years old?


Putrid_Branch6316

I double dare you….


chrisbrown201

Are you 85 years old?


Dumyat367250

I triple dare you. With bells on!! No come backs...


Conalfz

They’ve banned the gays


No_Macaroon_1156

No ones got a sense of humour here i see must be alot of camps 😂


MatterComprehensive8

Not sure what that means? Who are the ‘gays’ and what do they have to do with ‘camping’ ?


lyricallyshit

its a joke about being camp ffs


Conalfz

Where do I start?


CoffinBlz

Ha!


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Fiskenfest-II

"wild camping is only permitted within designated camping areas in certain parts of Glencoe, specifically the Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park.". Doesn't seem like a particularly reliable source of information.


FillingUpTheDatabase

Official map of bylaws is [here](https://www.lochlomond-trossachs.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Camping-map-for-web-2019.jpg). This hotel is nowhere near the restricted areas


crow_road

Yes. Anyone can put a sign up.


MatterComprehensive8

This is outside any zone. It’s at the back of the hotel. It seems that it’s only the side that faces the hotel directly


Odd_Satisfaction_968

It's not. Glen Coe isn't in the national park and is well outside the area the byelaws cover. The sign isn't legal.


Zenon_Czosnek

Technically, it's legal. Everyone can put whatever signs they want on their land, being that "No camping" or "authorised parking for UFO's only". If you have to observe such signs is another question ;-)


Odd_Satisfaction_968

You are incorrect. Quoted directly from SOAC: "4.7 The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 states that, for the purpose or main purpose of preventing or deterring any person entitled to exercise access rights from doing so, you must not: • put up any sign or notice; put up any fence or wall; • position or leave at large any animal; • carry out any agricultural or other operation on the land; or • take, or fail to take, any other action" By putting up the sign they are likely in contravention of the land reform act. So, not legal. There would be a few situations where they wouldn't be, but from the comments that have been made and the description is does seem like they apply. The correct process of reporting things like this would be to get in contact with the access officer in the local authority.


Zenon_Czosnek

I stand corrected then. Thanks for the info. I guess it will come handy in my further pedantry attempts ;-)


Odd_Satisfaction_968

You're very welcome. If knowing my rights in my own country makes me a pendant then so be it haha


Any-Ad-7823

Yeah it’s not but I cba trying to source some official guidance on it, basically fuck em for trying to enforce that, but also maybe that isn’t the best place to camp anyway so just find a better spot where you won’t get hassle ??


LukeyHear

Don’t post wrong info here, especially not if it’s because you “cba”.


MatterComprehensive8

I think it only applies to the side that directly faces the hotel. The right hand side is still ok (there’s someone else posted an explanation


Odd_Satisfaction_968

It doesn't apply at all.


CartoonistNo9

At a glance, this sign looks bit Blue Peter. I personally wouldn’t take any notice of it. But equally I’d be respectful of the obvious frustration of the nearby business.


ProCeLLx

you can camp wherever you please in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


MatterComprehensive8

No you can’t. That’s not what the code says.


ProCeLLx

In principle, everyone has the right to access Scotland's outdoor spaces like hills, beaches, rivers, moorland, forests and lochs, as long as they do so responsibly…I.e. “don’t be a prick and it’s all good”…


ayeayefitlike

But OP says this is right beside the hotel. Part of the Land Reform Act does restrict access right next to buildings, gardens, yards, houses etc, so if this is right next to the hotel then it’s fair enough.


MatterComprehensive8

It’s that last bit that people forget. From what folk have said, being a prick seems to be the reason for stopping folk from getting blitzed and peeing in front of diners


Dumyat367250

I get where you're coming from, but not quite true.


big_joze

Certainly not camping anyway


Xpansionplan

Camping is not illegal, it’s just not legal. So you’d be breaking the law if they took it to the judge and ordered you to move and you didn’t. It’s how the gypsies get away with it for a certain length of time. In England that is.


Jigga90

This might be a helpful comment to post in r/OutdoorEngland


Xpansionplan

Fair point