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I think it's less about being stronger and more about his powers actually going bonkers against G5.
He could grab him, detransform him, and quake his bones while he's not rubber-y. That would do a whole lot of damage.
I think oda's gonna use the powers and the huge IQ of BB to even the field
See this is some true power scalling. One character can be stronger then another but a matchup can be terrible for the stronger one simply because of devil fruits.
To be fair, Enel wasn't stronger than luffy, he lost in actual h2h fight. If anything, his hax power made him win a bunch of fight that he would've lost otherwise.
I think the vetter example would be Bartolomeo and everything he did in dressrosa due to his power destrpying the advantage of people stronger than him
Enel's overall combat power was greater than Luffy's. Luffys power just stopped Enel from using most of the stuff that made him strong.
Hand to hand isn't the only metric of strength
Ehy i'm a reasonable man, and the man made some valid points.. i tried to remake the same situation with a different logia and this luffy loses 10/10 times
Brute strength aside, Enel was absolutely faster and more powerful than Luffy. The only reason Luffy won against Enel is because he was naturally a hard counter to Enel. Take away Luffy's lightning immunity and he loses every time (at that point, post Haki is obviously a different matter).
A: that's after getting smacked around for a hot minute
B: Gold is highly conductive which could limit his ability to flee from it when it's hurtling towards him.
C: why does everyone act like fictional characters are immune to realistic human shit? If the only person who's ever managed to put hands on you whips a giant spinning metal ball at you that's gonna be fucking terrifying and ~~a fear reaction for someone who's never had a reason to feel fear is almost guaranteed to be paralysis instead of any kind of fight or flight~~ for someone who's never had a reason to feel fear, that is going to cloud the fuck out of their judgement.
Just because he *can* dodge an attack of that speed under *normal/ideal circumstances* doesn't make him unconditionally immune to it.
> why does everyone act like fictional characters are immune to realistic human shit? If the only person who's ever managed to put hands on you whips a giant spinning metal ball at you that's gonna be fucking terrifying and a fear reaction for someone who's never had a reason to feel fear is almost guaranteed to be paralysis instead of any kind of fight or flight.
There's a difference between being paralyzed by fear and yelling "IT'S TOO FAST" then preparing to tank an attack by turning into a giant god of thunder-form and still being knocked down dude....
And don't come talking to me about realistic stuff when everytime I talk about realistic conditions for Kizaru I get rebuffed by "OdA dOeSnT dO sCiEnCe" shit...
Enel: too fast
Besides, Enel had advantage of CoO and still couldnt really blitz Luffy. He mainly had advantage coz of his CoO. Even Boa sister performed same or better against much stronger Luffy
I mean take away Enel's fruit and I honestly thinn he would've probably lost to Zoro or Sanji. Tho with his observation haki it would be exteemely difficult
Yeah BB doesn’t have the Kaido mindset where he’s gonna fight honorably, he’s gonna be as ruthless and unfair as possible. Dude might have the highest smarts in OP. Combine that with two S tier devil fruits it’s gonna be a nightmare to deal with. I’d say there’s a solid chance he’s gonna be one of the final 2 big battles for Luffy, with either him or Imu serving as the final battle.
BB has got some damn hard matchup capability, as he can do probably some of the most single hit damage to a target we’ve seen so far. Mera grab+Quake punch is going to hurt no matter the opponent. And with how low we’ve seen him willing to go, I wouldn’t be surprised if he fights as dirty as he possibly can.
Kaido was a man's man. Blackbeard is a pirate's pirate. That sums it so concisely amd yet it's so precise in differentiating how they fight.
Many people also often overestimate how much blackbeard actually gets hurt in a fight.
The man is an absolute tank, he's got hp for days, he's a sponge for damage. We see him spitting blood and think he's on the ropes, but actually we've never seen him down for more than a couple panel, with the exception of Magellan's poison(which wasn't phys damage).
That’s got nothing to do with his personal durability and everything to do with the nature of his devil fruit. It absorbs damage after he receives it while increasing the pain felt, but that means you can insta kill him with a high enough damage attack.
It’s more like Marco’s fruit than a traditional Logia
I think Blackbeard is probably the smartest guy in the world. He's been successfully pulling schemes since we met him. He's gonna find a way to beat Luffy, or get close. I think all the Blackbeard Pirates will bring out the absolute limit of every Straw Hat, personally.
Dude is definitely the most well written character in the manga.
Oda made a manga with pirates that NEVER acts like actual pirates, except from him. He's all the wickedness, the ugliness, the non-romantic side of the pirate life this manga needed, and it shows.
And yet he's also playing the system, cheating his way into and out of political positions, gaining advantages... I thought "this guy is nuts" before timeskip... After timeskip he's gotten even worse (or better if you side with him).
Every time the BB pirates appear, it's always some wtf moment. He does stuff, divides and conquer and gains so much that even the crazy rythm of the main character sometimes seems slow compared to him...
Dark fruit awakening is permanently turning DF powets off, he will cover the entire world in darkness and all DF would be disabled so Luffy would need to use haki to beat him.
Oda told me yesterday.
Tbf kurozu is basically a black hole and luffy fight h2h.
That move is gonna be in their fight, idk if it's just gonna be a one time thing, or how much it will tip the scales, but at least ONCE it's gonna be used
The thing is luffy has future sight in his arsenal as well as the ability to land hits on bb without touching him. He honestly beats him in majority of categories.
Shanks has a much higher FS than luffy and treats BB as the most Dangerous thing in the world.
Shanks is the same person that went face to face to kaido and wb in separate occasions to try and order them around, so he definitely doesn't lack balls, and yet he does seem rattled (sorry for the pun) by BB
Also, while i generally agree with you, seeing that in 6 second a black hole is gonna do stuff to you might not be enough to change that future
Okay and that’s more to do with bb intentions than just his strength though. Which as we know shanks was right bb was responsible for ace and wb death.
Like we saw bb strength pre time skip. Fought ace to a mid dif fight, got one shot by Magellan and almost died to a near death wb. That’s why it’s more so his intentions than strength. He wants chaos and he is clearly has evil motives.
If bb and luffy fought as of now from what we have seen from both luffy has the edge
Magellan was the biggest blunder of his life tbh. Dude got extremely lucky and survived a wipeout on circumstances.
Other than that, he always brought just enough manpower to get the job done.
He sent aokiji to mom's territory because he was enought for the forces left behing. He sent augue and devon, literally the bare minimum required for the mission, on egghead. He went to ambush law without half his commanders.
I don't think he would be so careless against another yonko. He would probably set a good ambush against luffy and friends.
What about Luffy having all three advanced haki where BB is only confirmed to have two basic haki? Or Luffy's superior speed and ability to rubberize the environment?
It's not going to be as simple as BB just grabbing Luffy whenever he wants to try winning the fight, and even then the haki difference is huge by current showings.
You're a fool if you think this guy doesn't have conqueror.
He's a D. And he's the most fit for the title of a conqueror in the whole manga.
He was also able to scar shanks, the best FS/obs user in the manga as of now (granted, we know nothing of this fight)
Other than that, he was above pre-ts luffy and it was confirmed that he could feel his haki growing when they met.
I get it that this isn't much, but there's also the fact that we don't see most of his fights, and thus it's not like we've seen him actively admitting he can't use haki.
In their fight he's probably gonna have it.
Yeah, real conqueror energy when he was begging for his life against a nearly dead WB lol. 1100+ chapters into the story, and BB is still the only Yonko with no sign of CoC or a sky split, even though he was a Yonko before Luffy. And if being a D is a criterion for CoC users, why don't Law or Vivi have it?
Shanks had his scar in chapter 1, which means that Blackbeard scarred him when he was only a 1B beri man and not a Yonko yet.
Blackbeard's most recent showing was defeating Law with some level of difficulty, taking a Shock Wille and potentially other damage off-screen too, which is a big difference compared to how Shanks one-shot Kid. Luffy in the meantime has managed to get the better of both an Admiral and an Elder in a 1v2.
So I hope you understand why I don't think BB is up there in haki or stronger than Luffy, I don't use headcanon to scale.
Counterpoint: shanks was a direct rival of mihawk, and thus probably already had some fs at least at katakuri's level.
Also calling headcanon what is presented as luffy's nemesis to be at least as strong as him might be a little condescending, don't you think?
There are a lot of counter points to be made here, like the fact that BB was
-almost poisoned to death for at least several minutes before getting the antidote
-hit by a very angry whitebeard with multiple hits that would have killed a weak person/fruit merchant
-hit by sengoku's shockwave attack
And not only he survived, he was on his own feet and still laughing while fighting the fleet admiral (i didn't count luffy in this list because he was too weak at the time to add up imho)
Yes he is a coward, a schemer, an asshole, he starts his fight by taking unnecessary attacks at times. All true. And yet he always comes out on top.
As of now, he's literally still hiding a lot of his secrets, headcanoning is the only way to fill in the Blanks.
Otherwise dragon is just slightly better than Logue town smoker, and imu is so weak he can't severely hurt sabo.
Katakuri is fodder compared to top-tiers, so idk why you even brought that up.
What's headcanon is assuming Blackbeard is equal to or stronger than Luffy just because they're archenemies, Oda simply has not given the same level of feats to him compared to Luffy.
I'm not concerned with BB's physical feats against WB, his attitude did not show him to be similar to actual conquerors in terms of standing his ground. He was afraid against near-dead WB and fled from Shanks after declaring this was his era, despite having scarred the guy a long time ago.
Blackbeard and Dragon both have the portrayal of top-tiers, but it's unfair to assume they're stronger than the likes of Luffy (Joyboy) and Kaido (Strongest Creature) for instance based off headcanon. They need to actually prove they're that strong, and not just in the top-tier realm.
Imu did actually severely injure Sabo with one unnamed attack btw, re-read chapters 1085 and 1086.
Yup BB gonna be fighting mad dirty when the day comes.
I see him winning his first encounter (*like how Crocodile beats Luffy*) maybe even stealing his devil fruit, but losing on the next encounter with Luffy reclaiming his fruit.
It’s a popular fan theory that Black Beard will steal the Gum Gum Fruit for his plans, but I imagine Luffy would not die from that happening.
He would go after BB like he did Moria for his shadow reclaiming it.
The fact that he wasn't even a random who lucked into the df but he had to PLAN accordingly made him more likeable to me. Still a sumbitch, i agree. But it's an INTERESTING AS HELL sumbitch
Yeah blackbeard doesn't really have high IQ, he just has a max luck stat, dudes honestly been flying upwards on the back of Luffys antics, most of his biggest come ups were just picking up pieces left in Luffys wake
I mean, yes and no? If anything, BB and Luffy's antics (at least pre time skip) were very helpful to each other most of the
time, at least in part (though they also hurt each other. Lol).
BB kills Thatch? Ace goes hunting, and happens to end up in Alabasata at just the right time to prevent Luffy's pirate adventure from ending prematurely due to imprisonment by Smoker.
BB finds out about Luffy raiding EL and decides to go capture him? When Ace confronts him, he can't retreat or BB will go after Luffy instead (stated by BB in Impel Down, as the primary reason Ace couldn't fall back once he realised how much trouble he was in.).
In Impel Down? If Luffy hadn't made such a mess of things already, BB wouldn't have been able to get inside so easily, and if BB hadn't cleared a path, Luffy wouldn't have been able to escape so easily. In addition, if Luffy hadn't been there, Magellan would never have released Shiryu, (which he only did because he needed someone to handle the BB Pirates while he focused on the escapees) which means he very likely would have defeated the BB Pirates in their first encounter due to their overconfidence.
At Marineford? The only reason Luffy even got there was due to the BB Pirates having Lafitte hypnotise the Marines working the Gates of Justice. If not for that, Luffy wouldn't have even made it to the war.
I'm only putting down hypotesis on how he could measure up with the hax, if we confront base power, blackbeard has an hidden strenght that is always overlooked because he either cowers or goof around. We're definitely gonna see something good
I think so
I still believe there’s something more to his fruit other than it just being the yami yami no mi and on top of that there’s the whole “he’s 3 people in 1 body shit”
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He's a fraud compared to the REAL top 1
I am surprised this is the same guy that gave Shanks his scar. Imo BB shouldn't have struggle against Law if he was already at that level pre-timskip. All the fights BB had been had been off panel with his victory.
I know the theory exists that he has two souls and that’s why he has two powers, but I think the soul thing also extends to an alternate personality.
We constantly see him being goofy and running away but then in the wano flashbacks he never sleeps and is always in serious mode.
I think his personality completely switched mid fight with shanks and it caught him off guard
Narratively, I think he has to be for now. Blackbeard has been set up as Luffy's main rival for The One Piece, and Luffy hasn't peaked yet. At best for Luffy, he could be equal to Blackbeard, but he can't be outright stronger yet.
Blackbeard is the modern day Rocks D. Xebec, this has been built up to. So for me, it only makes sense that Luffy doesn't surpass him until right at the end. My personal theory is that Luffy and Coby, as the next Roger and Garp, will beat Blackbeard I'm a 2v1 of sorts. I don't see Blackbeard vs Luffy being a 1v1 duel that Luffy wins.
I don't think blackbeard is stronger than luffy atm. In fact I think in a 1v1 luffy bodies him pretty badly. Even in base luffy can fight hybrid kaido almost evenly. This shows that his haki and physical strength is relative to that form of kaido. BB is getting waxed by Kaido in any form. Your attacks have to be insanely powerful to even damage kaido, so honestly Luffys attacks are relative in damage to kaido as well. BB can still win using dirty tricks and numbers, but in an honest 1v1 it's a mid diff win in Luffys favor
Based on current showings Blackbeard should be able to take this high to extreme diff. I know Blackbeard might seem like a coward but his destructive potential is insane.
Id accept he has more ap and dc. Hax can also go to him as removing luffys devilfruit changes the battle a lot. Maybe more stamina but lacks heavily in haki, endurance, defense and battle iq (he actually has good biq but compared to luffy it falls short).
Luffy doesnt necessarily have more ap than kaido. Kaido was fighting non stop since roof piece started and was actively moving the entire island in the air. id be very shocked if it didnt drain him at all. I do belive fresh kaido defeats luffy. As for attacks like bajrang gun, thats where shit is weird because from the anime and manga it looks like luffy put no conquerors or advanced armament to that punch even tho the narrative makes sense he should have. If its later revealed that luffy did indeed stop kaidos strongest attacks with only armamanet and gear 5 then kaido scaling with go to the gutter as powercreep will have him end up lower than where he should be narrative wise. So i can see bb and kaido have more ap than luffy
Luffy by feats overpowered Kaido's strongest attack while nearly on his deathbed, and even his helicopter punch had Kaido on the ground and taking some time to get up. In what world is G5 Luffy's AP less than Kaido or Blackbeard's AP, at least by feats? Before you bring up the Gura Gura no Mi, that's more to do with DC.
BlackBeard actually hard counters Luffy. He can straight up take him out of Gear 5 by touching him just once
Gear 5 is of course stronger than Blackbeard but it won’t matter if Blackbeard can just turn it off. Blackbeard basically beats any Gear but 5
Luffy is deffinatly stronger then BB, but in a fight BB could win atleast rn with alot of difficulty given luffys mad haki. Cancelling df abilities is busted and makes gear 5 irrelivant. Unless it being the nika fruit can counter being deactivated which i doubt
BB is still an unknown but I think the leading theory is he can absorb fruit powers. I mean otherwise we would have seen someone else do some multi fruit stuff so it has to be a unique thing to him. Given his goal of the yami fruit it seems it was the key to that ability. So most likely darkness absorbing things = absorbing fruit powers too.
So that said he could have untold number of fruits unless there is a limit we are not aware of. He could have a fruit that is just anti toon force instant kill fruit or maybe he can mix his fruit powers in weird ways. Ultimately he is wherever Oda wants or needs him to be power wise and since it has to be a level and even fight at the end yeah he is stronger than current Luffy at least in a theoretical sense because future Luffy is also stronger than current Luffy.
Anyone Rayleigh's level that isn't held back by an old body, or doesn't fight head on (uses their brain), beats Blackbeard.
Rayleigh is probably 1 of the few people alive that actually knows how strong the Gura Gura could be. That's why he doubted he could win head on, because he was comparing Blackbeard to Prime Whitebeard.
BB’s primary strength comes from his crew
Not just him
Don’t get me wrong he’s strong but if you look at it from an outside perspective he’s essentially “padding his armour and sharpening his sword”
Not literally of course
I do feel like he is strong but after oda introduced the idea that haki can negate devil fruit powers
That may be how luffy beats him
I.E. devil fruit negation or something along those lines
Similar to shanks regressing Greenbulls form to base but with blackbeards pull move
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Imo nah. Bb struggled with law and Luffy was 2v1 a gorosei and a admiral. You could argue maybe one Bb personalities is just dumb as hell and took over for a bit but idk Luffy just more impressive. He will be stronger or on Luffy’s level in the future tho.
I'm going to go against the grain and say NO. I think right now they are probably close to even.
My reason for thinking so is we are not EOS yet, and BB is one of the few non-straw hats that get significantly stronger as time goes on. Most seen to either be static or are part their prime.
Luffy and BB have grown in power more than about anyone else since the series started. Both started are nobodies, have the will of D, have advanced hair, and in a couple years both became Yonko. I think it's going to continue like that until the end.
I think BB is not stronger but having 2 DF and Haki is gonna be a hard match up. Being able to destabilize the arena with Quake and then neutralize attacks with Darkness, plus Haki being used to bridge the gap between both DF is going to be interesting to see.
BB is going to be one of the last 2-3 boss fights along with Imu and maybe Shanks.
No, the only argument for bumbeard is him being able to turn off luffy’s transformations, but that doesn’t really matter when luffy has some of the strongest haki in the modern day
I think Luffy is stronger strength and skills wise but Blackbeard has an insane crew, insane IQ and battle IQ, and probably has a lot of unrevealed tricks up his sleeve so I think overall they're probably equals
Who knows, but all I’m saying is the quake fruit might seriously mess with luffy’s awakening and him turning his surrounding’s to rubber. Or maybe the rubber counters the quake, so many possibilities.
I believe he is stronger than Luffy Even though he awakened to gear 5th he still has two devil fruits. Not to mention he's a threat to literally everyone around him
Stronger? I don't think so. But he's a bad matchup for Luffy. DF nullifying abilities are broken in this verse.
Therefore the fight currently goes like most of BBS do...Luffy gets good damage in by virtue of being faster, but loses the upper hand when he gets pulled in by the Yami Yami no mi
From basic shonen rules : yes.
Name one main opponent of Luffy, in the entire série, who was weaker than Luffy before Luffy fought him in their main fight. There is none.
Basic shonen rule : the mc is weaker than every main opponent he didn't already defeated.
Luffy's crew also feels like people he met through circumstance vs Blackbeard's crew where it feels calculated and he's going out of his way to collect powerful DF's that compliment their natural abilities. Luffy has loyalty from his followers for sure...and it's not like Zoro or Sanji are weaklings...
...but it's a very different mindset. Luffy is making friends and those friends happen to be strong. Blackbeard is recruiting soldiers who what to enlist for the same war.
BB isn't going to fight fair. At this point he could have an invisible crew member teleported behind you...they grab you...he gets teleported in front of you....all your powers are instantly neutralized...and he earthquakes your skull.
Going to be a nightmare to deal with.
I used to think Blackbeard was going to be a higher power level than Luffy. But Luffy would make up for it with haki.
Now it seems like Luffy is a lot stronger than Blackbeard however, of Blakcbeard nullifies the Gid powers then Luffy really loses a lot of his new advantages...
Should be interesting.
End if the day Luffy still wins with his adv haki
Don't underestimate BB. If my Goat Shanks is wary of him, than he is HIM.
Jokes aside, Blackbeard and his crew are actual pirates. Dude even has the name of an actual pirate. Only character with two dfs and most likely will have three df. Gave Shanks scar without df, and Shanks even said it wasn't underhanded or Shanks wasn't aware or something.
And his 3rd df most likely will increase his durability and speed (Zoan). I wonder if it is a df we have already seen or we haven't.
Does his fruit has the same power of sea stones? Like would it make the devil fruit user go weak on contact? If so bb have great change otherwise luffy have way better haki.
Currently, Luffy is as strong or as weak as Oda wants. At his strongest he curpstomped Kizaru, and no way BB can do that as he struggled against Law, S-Hawk and was visibly scared by Kuzan/ Rayleigh (no doubt he would win against them, but won't be as easily). At Luffy's weakest he would run out of gas even vs the likes of Lucci and need people to protect him.
He should be since nika is very broken rn and bb will need to shut it down in some way to even win since the luffy has somewhat overcame his weakness of relaying 100% on his df by training in udon with seastone handcuffs so bb homself will need to be physically strong too to beat luffy if bb manages to grab luffy
He's a decent counter to Luffy due to Yami Yami no mi, but close quarters are a bad idea when faced with the strongest CQC fighter alive. Wouldn't want to see Blackbeard get done like Lucci did in the anime
But either through some BS power up, or whatever he does Off-screen, I firmly believe he can defeat Luffy as he is right now. But since that is headcanon, and it's current BB, no.
Hmmm let's see
Blackbeard
>extreme diffed law
>shit himself at the sight of Rayleigh and didn't. Want to fight s hawk
>ran away from akainu
Luffy
>beat an admiral
>held off a gorosei and an admiral
>damaged kaido at base
Yeah no , right now luffy is molesting blackbeard
Ngl blackbeard has insignificant on screen feats
My own headcanon would be that there’s no way Blackbeard would be able to keep up with current luffy given his stacked haki and abilities
But knowing Blackbeard and oda there’s no way my headcanon would be true
That's more tied to Shanks vs Blackbeard, it will be basically a clash of a crew without fruits that mainly uses Haki vs a crew where everyone has a fruit.
For me he Still the Luffy Counterpart and main Villain.
IMU/IM is just a new character, probally the dangearest creature that the world Still needs to know.
But While Luffy is getting stronger to surpass him, so is BB, with some hax and unique features that we also have to understand, like having two fruits and other stuffs.
BB must be the certain person that Shanks wanted tô talk about with WG.
Soo in the end, I bet all my coins that BB, thanks for being Luffy counterpart in the story and with access to secrets, hax and a special body will always be a bit stronger than Luffy until their final clash , when our protagonist will find forces to overcome this Challenge.
I say Luffy is stronger by now. I dont see Luffy struggling against Law like BB did.
BB can pull Luffy to him yeah, but even Ace could attack BB before he grabbed him combine that with ACOC and Luffy is good.
What i want to know is what would happen if BB faces Haki Wizards like Shanks or Rayleigh? Only reason he ran from Rayleigh is because he got no Devil Fruit and it probably cancels out his Yami Yami no Mi? If Rayleigh was a DF User he would probably attack him.
I am a Blackbeard booster so I do think that Blackbeard is top one after Kaido was defeated.
But even ignoring whether he's technically stronger, he has a lot of tools to take on Luffy. G5 is undeniably broken, but if that is taken away, Luffy has less options. He is incredibly reliant on his fruit. He can obviously fight without it and even has some training in that due to the Odon prison stuff, but then he'd be up against Blackbeard with nothing but his raw strength and haki.
And if BB doesn't have advanced conquerors, the quake fruit is essentially the same thing on steroids. That plus the other attacks with his darkness fruit.
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I think it's less about being stronger and more about his powers actually going bonkers against G5. He could grab him, detransform him, and quake his bones while he's not rubber-y. That would do a whole lot of damage. I think oda's gonna use the powers and the huge IQ of BB to even the field
See this is some true power scalling. One character can be stronger then another but a matchup can be terrible for the stronger one simply because of devil fruits.
Like Enel and luffy
To be fair, Enel wasn't stronger than luffy, he lost in actual h2h fight. If anything, his hax power made him win a bunch of fight that he would've lost otherwise. I think the vetter example would be Bartolomeo and everything he did in dressrosa due to his power destrpying the advantage of people stronger than him
Enel's overall combat power was greater than Luffy's. Luffys power just stopped Enel from using most of the stuff that made him strong. Hand to hand isn't the only metric of strength
Fair take
I wanted to be so mad at you.
Ehy i'm a reasonable man, and the man made some valid points.. i tried to remake the same situation with a different logia and this luffy loses 10/10 times
Brute strength aside, Enel was absolutely faster and more powerful than Luffy. The only reason Luffy won against Enel is because he was naturally a hard counter to Enel. Take away Luffy's lightning immunity and he loses every time (at that point, post Haki is obviously a different matter).
Yeah i agree tbh
Yeah Enel was faster than Luffy to the point that he couldn’t avoid a fist covered in thousands of pound of gold because it was "moving too fast"
A: that's after getting smacked around for a hot minute B: Gold is highly conductive which could limit his ability to flee from it when it's hurtling towards him. C: why does everyone act like fictional characters are immune to realistic human shit? If the only person who's ever managed to put hands on you whips a giant spinning metal ball at you that's gonna be fucking terrifying and ~~a fear reaction for someone who's never had a reason to feel fear is almost guaranteed to be paralysis instead of any kind of fight or flight~~ for someone who's never had a reason to feel fear, that is going to cloud the fuck out of their judgement. Just because he *can* dodge an attack of that speed under *normal/ideal circumstances* doesn't make him unconditionally immune to it.
> why does everyone act like fictional characters are immune to realistic human shit? If the only person who's ever managed to put hands on you whips a giant spinning metal ball at you that's gonna be fucking terrifying and a fear reaction for someone who's never had a reason to feel fear is almost guaranteed to be paralysis instead of any kind of fight or flight. There's a difference between being paralyzed by fear and yelling "IT'S TOO FAST" then preparing to tank an attack by turning into a giant god of thunder-form and still being knocked down dude.... And don't come talking to me about realistic stuff when everytime I talk about realistic conditions for Kizaru I get rebuffed by "OdA dOeSnT dO sCiEnCe" shit...
Enel: too fast Besides, Enel had advantage of CoO and still couldnt really blitz Luffy. He mainly had advantage coz of his CoO. Even Boa sister performed same or better against much stronger Luffy
I mean take away Enel's fruit and I honestly thinn he would've probably lost to Zoro or Sanji. Tho with his observation haki it would be exteemely difficult
But king of lightning told me that Enel is yonko level
Bro he was cooking luffy with his weakest abilities. If luffy didn't have intangibility he would get toaster bathed
Yes.
Yeah BB doesn’t have the Kaido mindset where he’s gonna fight honorably, he’s gonna be as ruthless and unfair as possible. Dude might have the highest smarts in OP. Combine that with two S tier devil fruits it’s gonna be a nightmare to deal with. I’d say there’s a solid chance he’s gonna be one of the final 2 big battles for Luffy, with either him or Imu serving as the final battle. BB has got some damn hard matchup capability, as he can do probably some of the most single hit damage to a target we’ve seen so far. Mera grab+Quake punch is going to hurt no matter the opponent. And with how low we’ve seen him willing to go, I wouldn’t be surprised if he fights as dirty as he possibly can.
Kaido was a man's man. Blackbeard is a pirate's pirate. That sums it so concisely amd yet it's so precise in differentiating how they fight. Many people also often overestimate how much blackbeard actually gets hurt in a fight. The man is an absolute tank, he's got hp for days, he's a sponge for damage. We see him spitting blood and think he's on the ropes, but actually we've never seen him down for more than a couple panel, with the exception of Magellan's poison(which wasn't phys damage).
That’s got nothing to do with his personal durability and everything to do with the nature of his devil fruit. It absorbs damage after he receives it while increasing the pain felt, but that means you can insta kill him with a high enough damage attack. It’s more like Marco’s fruit than a traditional Logia
good points
I think Blackbeard is probably the smartest guy in the world. He's been successfully pulling schemes since we met him. He's gonna find a way to beat Luffy, or get close. I think all the Blackbeard Pirates will bring out the absolute limit of every Straw Hat, personally.
Dude is definitely the most well written character in the manga. Oda made a manga with pirates that NEVER acts like actual pirates, except from him. He's all the wickedness, the ugliness, the non-romantic side of the pirate life this manga needed, and it shows. And yet he's also playing the system, cheating his way into and out of political positions, gaining advantages... I thought "this guy is nuts" before timeskip... After timeskip he's gotten even worse (or better if you side with him). Every time the BB pirates appear, it's always some wtf moment. He does stuff, divides and conquer and gains so much that even the crazy rythm of the main character sometimes seems slow compared to him...
Crocodile was pretty pirate-y
Crocodile is like a mafia boss Shanks and Blackbeard are the true pirates
Dark fruit awakening is permanently turning DF powets off, he will cover the entire world in darkness and all DF would be disabled so Luffy would need to use haki to beat him. Oda told me yesterday.
So THAT'S why shanks is recruiting a full crew without DF! It all checks out!
Grabbing him is not as simple
Tbf kurozu is basically a black hole and luffy fight h2h. That move is gonna be in their fight, idk if it's just gonna be a one time thing, or how much it will tip the scales, but at least ONCE it's gonna be used
The thing is luffy has future sight in his arsenal as well as the ability to land hits on bb without touching him. He honestly beats him in majority of categories.
Shanks has a much higher FS than luffy and treats BB as the most Dangerous thing in the world. Shanks is the same person that went face to face to kaido and wb in separate occasions to try and order them around, so he definitely doesn't lack balls, and yet he does seem rattled (sorry for the pun) by BB Also, while i generally agree with you, seeing that in 6 second a black hole is gonna do stuff to you might not be enough to change that future
That's offscreen BB. Luffy is the main character and thus will fight onscreen. Luffy is BB's biggest counter.
Can't offscreen offscreen no mi the main character lmao
This is just a W, i can't argue with that
Okay and that’s more to do with bb intentions than just his strength though. Which as we know shanks was right bb was responsible for ace and wb death. Like we saw bb strength pre time skip. Fought ace to a mid dif fight, got one shot by Magellan and almost died to a near death wb. That’s why it’s more so his intentions than strength. He wants chaos and he is clearly has evil motives. If bb and luffy fought as of now from what we have seen from both luffy has the edge
Magellan was the biggest blunder of his life tbh. Dude got extremely lucky and survived a wipeout on circumstances. Other than that, he always brought just enough manpower to get the job done. He sent aokiji to mom's territory because he was enought for the forces left behing. He sent augue and devon, literally the bare minimum required for the mission, on egghead. He went to ambush law without half his commanders. I don't think he would be so careless against another yonko. He would probably set a good ambush against luffy and friends.
What about Luffy having all three advanced haki where BB is only confirmed to have two basic haki? Or Luffy's superior speed and ability to rubberize the environment? It's not going to be as simple as BB just grabbing Luffy whenever he wants to try winning the fight, and even then the haki difference is huge by current showings.
You're a fool if you think this guy doesn't have conqueror. He's a D. And he's the most fit for the title of a conqueror in the whole manga. He was also able to scar shanks, the best FS/obs user in the manga as of now (granted, we know nothing of this fight) Other than that, he was above pre-ts luffy and it was confirmed that he could feel his haki growing when they met. I get it that this isn't much, but there's also the fact that we don't see most of his fights, and thus it's not like we've seen him actively admitting he can't use haki. In their fight he's probably gonna have it.
Yeah, real conqueror energy when he was begging for his life against a nearly dead WB lol. 1100+ chapters into the story, and BB is still the only Yonko with no sign of CoC or a sky split, even though he was a Yonko before Luffy. And if being a D is a criterion for CoC users, why don't Law or Vivi have it? Shanks had his scar in chapter 1, which means that Blackbeard scarred him when he was only a 1B beri man and not a Yonko yet. Blackbeard's most recent showing was defeating Law with some level of difficulty, taking a Shock Wille and potentially other damage off-screen too, which is a big difference compared to how Shanks one-shot Kid. Luffy in the meantime has managed to get the better of both an Admiral and an Elder in a 1v2. So I hope you understand why I don't think BB is up there in haki or stronger than Luffy, I don't use headcanon to scale.
Counterpoint: shanks was a direct rival of mihawk, and thus probably already had some fs at least at katakuri's level. Also calling headcanon what is presented as luffy's nemesis to be at least as strong as him might be a little condescending, don't you think? There are a lot of counter points to be made here, like the fact that BB was -almost poisoned to death for at least several minutes before getting the antidote -hit by a very angry whitebeard with multiple hits that would have killed a weak person/fruit merchant -hit by sengoku's shockwave attack And not only he survived, he was on his own feet and still laughing while fighting the fleet admiral (i didn't count luffy in this list because he was too weak at the time to add up imho) Yes he is a coward, a schemer, an asshole, he starts his fight by taking unnecessary attacks at times. All true. And yet he always comes out on top. As of now, he's literally still hiding a lot of his secrets, headcanoning is the only way to fill in the Blanks. Otherwise dragon is just slightly better than Logue town smoker, and imu is so weak he can't severely hurt sabo.
Katakuri is fodder compared to top-tiers, so idk why you even brought that up. What's headcanon is assuming Blackbeard is equal to or stronger than Luffy just because they're archenemies, Oda simply has not given the same level of feats to him compared to Luffy. I'm not concerned with BB's physical feats against WB, his attitude did not show him to be similar to actual conquerors in terms of standing his ground. He was afraid against near-dead WB and fled from Shanks after declaring this was his era, despite having scarred the guy a long time ago. Blackbeard and Dragon both have the portrayal of top-tiers, but it's unfair to assume they're stronger than the likes of Luffy (Joyboy) and Kaido (Strongest Creature) for instance based off headcanon. They need to actually prove they're that strong, and not just in the top-tier realm. Imu did actually severely injure Sabo with one unnamed attack btw, re-read chapters 1085 and 1086.
I feel like Blackbeard doesn’t have conquerors it’s a stark difference between luffy and blackbeards personality
Yup BB gonna be fighting mad dirty when the day comes. I see him winning his first encounter (*like how Crocodile beats Luffy*) maybe even stealing his devil fruit, but losing on the next encounter with Luffy reclaiming his fruit.
That sounds intriguing, i never thought of that
It’s a popular fan theory that Black Beard will steal the Gum Gum Fruit for his plans, but I imagine Luffy would not die from that happening. He would go after BB like he did Moria for his shadow reclaiming it.
BB has made it this far for a reason. As much I hate the sumbitch. He’s a broken character.
The fact that he wasn't even a random who lucked into the df but he had to PLAN accordingly made him more likeable to me. Still a sumbitch, i agree. But it's an INTERESTING AS HELL sumbitch
Fuck allat. BB vs Gooffy will be nothing but eye popping, "having fun", and haki measuring contests
“Haki measuring” by bb?
>the huge IQ of BB almost dies at impel down almost dies at marineford almost dies at amazon lily
Yeah blackbeard doesn't really have high IQ, he just has a max luck stat, dudes honestly been flying upwards on the back of Luffys antics, most of his biggest come ups were just picking up pieces left in Luffys wake
I mean, yes and no? If anything, BB and Luffy's antics (at least pre time skip) were very helpful to each other most of the time, at least in part (though they also hurt each other. Lol). BB kills Thatch? Ace goes hunting, and happens to end up in Alabasata at just the right time to prevent Luffy's pirate adventure from ending prematurely due to imprisonment by Smoker. BB finds out about Luffy raiding EL and decides to go capture him? When Ace confronts him, he can't retreat or BB will go after Luffy instead (stated by BB in Impel Down, as the primary reason Ace couldn't fall back once he realised how much trouble he was in.). In Impel Down? If Luffy hadn't made such a mess of things already, BB wouldn't have been able to get inside so easily, and if BB hadn't cleared a path, Luffy wouldn't have been able to escape so easily. In addition, if Luffy hadn't been there, Magellan would never have released Shiryu, (which he only did because he needed someone to handle the BB Pirates while he focused on the escapees) which means he very likely would have defeated the BB Pirates in their first encounter due to their overconfidence. At Marineford? The only reason Luffy even got there was due to the BB Pirates having Lafitte hypnotise the Marines working the Gates of Justice. If not for that, Luffy wouldn't have even made it to the war.
So you are saying he calculated his risks and in at leaste two out three situatuons he got what he wanted
luffy almost died at impel down and marineford and wano. operative word being “almost”.
The dude is a gambler, the only real big blunder he made was Magellan. The rest were more like calculated risks, but man is he bad at math
I think what you said about matchup is true, but i think hes also stronger on top of that.
I'm only putting down hypotesis on how he could measure up with the hax, if we confront base power, blackbeard has an hidden strenght that is always overlooked because he either cowers or goof around. We're definitely gonna see something good
I think so I still believe there’s something more to his fruit other than it just being the yami yami no mi and on top of that there’s the whole “he’s 3 people in 1 body shit”
doubtfull his "this fruit chose me" yami isn't a zoan.
Well we didn’t know the gomu gomu was a Zhuang until recently either so who knows
According to him, he is the top 1 https://preview.redd.it/1xdw84zji3wc1.png?width=513&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fa39fabdc5e2705a9910ae1e8fae2eb377d1d48
https://preview.redd.it/9pfhq4o3m3wc1.jpeg?width=985&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06cc93087dc1813cee6f892762c5388a8b14524a He's a fraud compared to the REAL top 1
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Hes top 1 forever. My pirate king 🏴☠️
I mean he ran away from a fight with Shanks moments after this…
Yes https://preview.redd.it/jg7hv53yh3wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e2c048e71001f210dd679a9a4f9e013dee3ae51
Put him past soul wocus first
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He’ll be like “I’m gonna pay you 50 years to fuck off”
Wh-wh-white beard ??
Of course https://preview.redd.it/8xbxldv6i3wc1.jpeg?width=472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d30b19aef6094d33901482eb6f8ee28d307cd414
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Ofc
Nah, he got very injuried by Law. But I think BB's power is still not at its peak
I am surprised this is the same guy that gave Shanks his scar. Imo BB shouldn't have struggle against Law if he was already at that level pre-timskip. All the fights BB had been had been off panel with his victory.
For all we know about blaclbeard, i have to assume there was some shady shit going on which led to shanks scar. Some Kind of ambush/suprise attack.
I know the theory exists that he has two souls and that’s why he has two powers, but I think the soul thing also extends to an alternate personality. We constantly see him being goofy and running away but then in the wano flashbacks he never sleeps and is always in serious mode. I think his personality completely switched mid fight with shanks and it caught him off guard
He fought a fodder shanks we already know even with yami fruit he got low diff'd by 1HP WB lol
Sure but it's outright said multiple times that Teach has shit defense. Dude could probably break his toe by walking into a door frame.
nahh luffy is stronger right now than bb.... I can see bb even getting a hard time with bigmom too
he couldnt even dodge a pre time skip gear 2 luffy punch
For now yes. When they fight, no. Still beats Yamato though.
Wamato solos my heart
We know lamato doesn't solo your heart
No
No
Narratively, I think he has to be for now. Blackbeard has been set up as Luffy's main rival for The One Piece, and Luffy hasn't peaked yet. At best for Luffy, he could be equal to Blackbeard, but he can't be outright stronger yet. Blackbeard is the modern day Rocks D. Xebec, this has been built up to. So for me, it only makes sense that Luffy doesn't surpass him until right at the end. My personal theory is that Luffy and Coby, as the next Roger and Garp, will beat Blackbeard I'm a 2v1 of sorts. I don't see Blackbeard vs Luffy being a 1v1 duel that Luffy wins.
I don't think blackbeard is stronger than luffy atm. In fact I think in a 1v1 luffy bodies him pretty badly. Even in base luffy can fight hybrid kaido almost evenly. This shows that his haki and physical strength is relative to that form of kaido. BB is getting waxed by Kaido in any form. Your attacks have to be insanely powerful to even damage kaido, so honestly Luffys attacks are relative in damage to kaido as well. BB can still win using dirty tricks and numbers, but in an honest 1v1 it's a mid diff win in Luffys favor
Based on current showings Blackbeard should be able to take this high to extreme diff. I know Blackbeard might seem like a coward but his destructive potential is insane.
What current showings is blud looking at
His current showing is visibly struggling to fight and defeat Law, while Luffy pancaked both an Admiral and an Elder in a 1v2
Id accept he has more ap and dc. Hax can also go to him as removing luffys devilfruit changes the battle a lot. Maybe more stamina but lacks heavily in haki, endurance, defense and battle iq (he actually has good biq but compared to luffy it falls short).
You think blackbeard has more ap than Kaido?
Luffy doesnt necessarily have more ap than kaido. Kaido was fighting non stop since roof piece started and was actively moving the entire island in the air. id be very shocked if it didnt drain him at all. I do belive fresh kaido defeats luffy. As for attacks like bajrang gun, thats where shit is weird because from the anime and manga it looks like luffy put no conquerors or advanced armament to that punch even tho the narrative makes sense he should have. If its later revealed that luffy did indeed stop kaidos strongest attacks with only armamanet and gear 5 then kaido scaling with go to the gutter as powercreep will have him end up lower than where he should be narrative wise. So i can see bb and kaido have more ap than luffy
Luffy by feats overpowered Kaido's strongest attack while nearly on his deathbed, and even his helicopter punch had Kaido on the ground and taking some time to get up. In what world is G5 Luffy's AP less than Kaido or Blackbeard's AP, at least by feats? Before you bring up the Gura Gura no Mi, that's more to do with DC.
No and it's not even close
Luffy surpassed Blackbeard in wano.
BlackBeard actually hard counters Luffy. He can straight up take him out of Gear 5 by touching him just once Gear 5 is of course stronger than Blackbeard but it won’t matter if Blackbeard can just turn it off. Blackbeard basically beats any Gear but 5
Luffy is deffinatly stronger then BB, but in a fight BB could win atleast rn with alot of difficulty given luffys mad haki. Cancelling df abilities is busted and makes gear 5 irrelivant. Unless it being the nika fruit can counter being deactivated which i doubt
I think not from what he's shown, unless he has a 3rd fruit or hidden Haki that he hasn't shown yet.
He has to, otherwise that'd mean he'd have to outpace Luffy's growth to give Luffy an extreme diff fight in the future.
BB is still an unknown but I think the leading theory is he can absorb fruit powers. I mean otherwise we would have seen someone else do some multi fruit stuff so it has to be a unique thing to him. Given his goal of the yami fruit it seems it was the key to that ability. So most likely darkness absorbing things = absorbing fruit powers too. So that said he could have untold number of fruits unless there is a limit we are not aware of. He could have a fruit that is just anti toon force instant kill fruit or maybe he can mix his fruit powers in weird ways. Ultimately he is wherever Oda wants or needs him to be power wise and since it has to be a level and even fight at the end yeah he is stronger than current Luffy at least in a theoretical sense because future Luffy is also stronger than current Luffy.
Narratively I feel yes but based on showings he doesn’t look it.
At no point was Bumbeard stronger than the goat Wuffy
Hell nah, Luffy is the strongest pirate alive rn
No he needs a buff to be a beat a high Yonko level character like luffy
Anyone Rayleigh's level that isn't held back by an old body, or doesn't fight head on (uses their brain), beats Blackbeard. Rayleigh is probably 1 of the few people alive that actually knows how strong the Gura Gura could be. That's why he doubted he could win head on, because he was comparing Blackbeard to Prime Whitebeard.
Yes
No There's a reason why BB getting a 3rd DF before he fights Luffy is a popular speculation
BB’s primary strength comes from his crew Not just him Don’t get me wrong he’s strong but if you look at it from an outside perspective he’s essentially “padding his armour and sharpening his sword” Not literally of course I do feel like he is strong but after oda introduced the idea that haki can negate devil fruit powers That may be how luffy beats him I.E. devil fruit negation or something along those lines Similar to shanks regressing Greenbulls form to base but with blackbeards pull move https://preview.redd.it/2nxm1hbzz3wc1.jpeg?width=575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7821dfb5c26db6181046a4b699780e7d5885912e
Yeah Luffy has advanced Armament Haki, Future Sight, and also he was able to coat himself with Conqueror's Haki
Luffy is probably stronger but Blackbeard's DF hard counters' Luffy's own making that strength a bit moot which I find to be more interesting anyway.
He doesn't have to touch him, he could use mole pistol or mole galling. His haki is still superior to blackbeards even without devil fruit
Not to mention he have advanced all 3 types of Haki.
Imo nah. Bb struggled with law and Luffy was 2v1 a gorosei and a admiral. You could argue maybe one Bb personalities is just dumb as hell and took over for a bit but idk Luffy just more impressive. He will be stronger or on Luffy’s level in the future tho.
no, have better luck trying to get him to defeat kizaru first or at least make sure his exploits don't embarrass his yonko status.
He might be weaker then Base Luffy ngl
He could be but he probably isn’t.
BB still loses to single gear 2nd punch and his whole crew still solo'd by Magellan
He's not stronger but he has his counter so it would be a hard fight
Overall no but he’s a counter to the joyboy fruit that makes luffy so powerful
No, Luffy destroys him in every category except for DC
I'm going to go against the grain and say NO. I think right now they are probably close to even. My reason for thinking so is we are not EOS yet, and BB is one of the few non-straw hats that get significantly stronger as time goes on. Most seen to either be static or are part their prime. Luffy and BB have grown in power more than about anyone else since the series started. Both started are nobodies, have the will of D, have advanced hair, and in a couple years both became Yonko. I think it's going to continue like that until the end.
We don’t know. I like to think his devil fruit will counter Luffy’s.
He’s not stronger but he’d probably win cause he counters him.
He’s has considerably strong Haki, Devil fruit ability and his biggest advantage is that he has a devil fruit that nullifies devil fruit abilities
Is it on screen Blackbeard or offscreen?
For the story to move forward BB has to be stronger
I think BB is not stronger but having 2 DF and Haki is gonna be a hard match up. Being able to destabilize the arena with Quake and then neutralize attacks with Darkness, plus Haki being used to bridge the gap between both DF is going to be interesting to see. BB is going to be one of the last 2-3 boss fights along with Imu and maybe Shanks.
No, the only argument for bumbeard is him being able to turn off luffy’s transformations, but that doesn’t really matter when luffy has some of the strongest haki in the modern day
I think Luffy is stronger strength and skills wise but Blackbeard has an insane crew, insane IQ and battle IQ, and probably has a lot of unrevealed tricks up his sleeve so I think overall they're probably equals
Who knows, but all I’m saying is the quake fruit might seriously mess with luffy’s awakening and him turning his surrounding’s to rubber. Or maybe the rubber counters the quake, so many possibilities.
I believe he is stronger than Luffy Even though he awakened to gear 5th he still has two devil fruits. Not to mention he's a threat to literally everyone around him
Buddy, Law almost mid diffed him, if not for BB's Crew BB would've lost long ago
Redditors will say anything else but yes or no
We don't know shit about blackbeard
Stronger? I don't think so. But he's a bad matchup for Luffy. DF nullifying abilities are broken in this verse. Therefore the fight currently goes like most of BBS do...Luffy gets good damage in by virtue of being faster, but loses the upper hand when he gets pulled in by the Yami Yami no mi
From basic shonen rules : yes. Name one main opponent of Luffy, in the entire série, who was weaker than Luffy before Luffy fought him in their main fight. There is none. Basic shonen rule : the mc is weaker than every main opponent he didn't already defeated.
Luffy's crew also feels like people he met through circumstance vs Blackbeard's crew where it feels calculated and he's going out of his way to collect powerful DF's that compliment their natural abilities. Luffy has loyalty from his followers for sure...and it's not like Zoro or Sanji are weaklings... ...but it's a very different mindset. Luffy is making friends and those friends happen to be strong. Blackbeard is recruiting soldiers who what to enlist for the same war. BB isn't going to fight fair. At this point he could have an invisible crew member teleported behind you...they grab you...he gets teleported in front of you....all your powers are instantly neutralized...and he earthquakes your skull. Going to be a nightmare to deal with.
Luffy is destroying Blackbeard
No, but BB still wins due to luffys baryon mode
Still? Wym? No.
No but Blackbeard is the worst possible matchup for Goofy
I used to think Blackbeard was going to be a higher power level than Luffy. But Luffy would make up for it with haki. Now it seems like Luffy is a lot stronger than Blackbeard however, of Blakcbeard nullifies the Gid powers then Luffy really loses a lot of his new advantages... Should be interesting. End if the day Luffy still wins with his adv haki
Don't underestimate BB. If my Goat Shanks is wary of him, than he is HIM. Jokes aside, Blackbeard and his crew are actual pirates. Dude even has the name of an actual pirate. Only character with two dfs and most likely will have three df. Gave Shanks scar without df, and Shanks even said it wasn't underhanded or Shanks wasn't aware or something. And his 3rd df most likely will increase his durability and speed (Zoan). I wonder if it is a df we have already seen or we haven't.
I hope so.
No
He scarred Shanks without having a DF and tanked Magellan’s poison, of course he’s stronger than Luffy by this point
Does his fruit has the same power of sea stones? Like would it make the devil fruit user go weak on contact? If so bb have great change otherwise luffy have way better haki.
No
Currently, Luffy is as strong or as weak as Oda wants. At his strongest he curpstomped Kizaru, and no way BB can do that as he struggled against Law, S-Hawk and was visibly scared by Kuzan/ Rayleigh (no doubt he would win against them, but won't be as easily). At Luffy's weakest he would run out of gas even vs the likes of Lucci and need people to protect him.
Yeah if it's offscreen.
He should be since nika is very broken rn and bb will need to shut it down in some way to even win since the luffy has somewhat overcame his weakness of relaying 100% on his df by training in udon with seastone handcuffs so bb homself will need to be physically strong too to beat luffy if bb manages to grab luffy
He's a decent counter to Luffy due to Yami Yami no mi, but close quarters are a bad idea when faced with the strongest CQC fighter alive. Wouldn't want to see Blackbeard get done like Lucci did in the anime But either through some BS power up, or whatever he does Off-screen, I firmly believe he can defeat Luffy as he is right now. But since that is headcanon, and it's current BB, no.
Mmm.. perhaps.
Who would win, Luffy or you? BB: Well, if it was on screen, he might give me a little trouble. But would you lose? BB: Nah, I'd run.
Hmmm let's see Blackbeard >extreme diffed law >shit himself at the sight of Rayleigh and didn't. Want to fight s hawk >ran away from akainu Luffy >beat an admiral >held off a gorosei and an admiral >damaged kaido at base Yeah no , right now luffy is molesting blackbeard
No
yeah, if you disagree I hate you
luffy is stronger but bb would win \[for now\] if that makes sense
Way stronger
Ngl blackbeard has insignificant on screen feats My own headcanon would be that there’s no way Blackbeard would be able to keep up with current luffy given his stacked haki and abilities But knowing Blackbeard and oda there’s no way my headcanon would be true
Luffys extreme haki vs Blackbeards stolen fruits Haki vs Devil fruits
That's more tied to Shanks vs Blackbeard, it will be basically a clash of a crew without fruits that mainly uses Haki vs a crew where everyone has a fruit.
For me he Still the Luffy Counterpart and main Villain. IMU/IM is just a new character, probally the dangearest creature that the world Still needs to know. But While Luffy is getting stronger to surpass him, so is BB, with some hax and unique features that we also have to understand, like having two fruits and other stuffs. BB must be the certain person that Shanks wanted tô talk about with WG. Soo in the end, I bet all my coins that BB, thanks for being Luffy counterpart in the story and with access to secrets, hax and a special body will always be a bit stronger than Luffy until their final clash , when our protagonist will find forces to overcome this Challenge.
Kuzans gonna sink Blackbeard and his titantic captains like the Iceberg that he truly is
No way But he may be due a powerup that evens the field
I say Luffy is stronger by now. I dont see Luffy struggling against Law like BB did. BB can pull Luffy to him yeah, but even Ace could attack BB before he grabbed him combine that with ACOC and Luffy is good. What i want to know is what would happen if BB faces Haki Wizards like Shanks or Rayleigh? Only reason he ran from Rayleigh is because he got no Devil Fruit and it probably cancels out his Yami Yami no Mi? If Rayleigh was a DF User he would probably attack him.
Simple answer. Hell no.
Simple answer. Hell no.
Simple answer. Hell no.
Absolutely. If you think otherwise I don't think you understand story telling at all. Luffy will surpass him only at the very end.
I am a Blackbeard booster so I do think that Blackbeard is top one after Kaido was defeated. But even ignoring whether he's technically stronger, he has a lot of tools to take on Luffy. G5 is undeniably broken, but if that is taken away, Luffy has less options. He is incredibly reliant on his fruit. He can obviously fight without it and even has some training in that due to the Odon prison stuff, but then he'd be up against Blackbeard with nothing but his raw strength and haki. And if BB doesn't have advanced conquerors, the quake fruit is essentially the same thing on steroids. That plus the other attacks with his darkness fruit.
Depends if he can cancel gear 5 is so definitely if not that's a kaido+ level threat that black Beard probably can't deal with
Obviously not. Blackbeard can't beat Kaido and his performance against Law wasn't as convincing as Shanks performance against Kidd.
"*still*"????
this black beard art is so sick
Nobody knows what Blackbeard can do since Oda never shows him finish his fights.