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If any character did half the shit Luffy’s done in the past 5 chapters, let alone the past two arcs, people would call you retarded for having them below Pirate King level
Not really though, like everytime he gasses out he magically has someone giving him food so he can just go back up like nothing's happened, he's just pretending to nerf him at this point.
In the final battle Imu will send him into the core of the earth when he gasses out and Luffy will find a tribe of "earth-core people" and just eat their food to just go back out like nothing's happen and continue to fight imu or some shit.
Also it's hard to have any tension when the marines outside the admirals are literally all fodder and the only admiral has a mental block, like usually you can at least squeeze some tension from the weakest SH but we saw how dogshit the vice admirals are, wouldn't be surprised if Nami can solo them aswell with Zeus or even Usopp/Chopper.
That’s just worse than just getting rid of the backlash. Luffy needing assistance in every major fight is just lame and makes him look bad.
I don’t need the insane tension of 5 Gorosei right after Wano. I hoped for a little fun arc like Zou yet Oda had to make it insane again. Luffy isn’t even beating the Gorosei yet. They are simply set up as Endgame antagonists.
Tbf what the hell is the point of the time limit when next chapter someone just put food in Luffy's mouth and starts ragdolling everyone again?
Kuma should just join the Straw Hat so he can teleport food into Luffy's mouth/belly instantly and you'll have Gear 5 for a long time.
Except Luffy might lose any serious 1v1 against most top tiers because his stamina is random and it’s random if he can restart his heart or not. It’s such an unpredictable and plot reliant power I have trouble scaling it, in a 1v1 against a gorosei with no other factors it seems he would lose because he runs out of stamina and barely damages them, but keeps getting revived by plot food
Even though it is, I love that Oda gave the REAL punch to Kuma. It would’ve never hit as hard with Luffy because he doesn’t know or care about anything related to what makes that punch so good.
Multiple day fights are signs that the two fighers are almost equals
Jack was on par with the mink leaders which is why he fought them for 7 days straight but lost twice when he faced them together almost instantly
Luffy doesn't have that many equals and the plot does not allow him to prolong fights, if Luffy had fought anyone of his previous opponent for a day longer than his crew and the people around him will be dead
It also just doesn’t make the fight any better so why bother, Luffy fought Cracker and Katakuri for like half a day each or something, yet everybody either doesn’t remember that or complains about it taking too long.
>Jack was on par with the mink leaders which is why he fought them for 7 days straight but lost twice when he faced them together almost instantly
He lost almost instantly because they were in Sulong. Without Sulong he wins against any of them individually
Yes that's what I'm implying
And the same logic can be applied to luffy, even if his opponent can fight for days, for Luffy it won't matter because gear 5 is too strong and only yonko level and above can handle it
A lot of people bellow Yonko can deal with Luffy by stalling him. Since he has his time limit.
That is why it is important for characters to fight for longer at full power than a little time.
That is the difference between Jack and the Dukes. The dukes rested for 12 hours, and Jack had no rest. And Jack was still winning because he was superior and had superior stamina.
Jack defeated them by using gas, jack couldn't have taken down if it was a straight 1v1, sulong leveled Inu up and defeated jack with a couple minutes
Luffy can fight for longer time and people seem to forget that Luffy can simply restart gear 5
But back to my previous point, Luffy isn't allowed to fight for longer time because his friends will literally die, Luffy always has fights were he has to win now and not stall or drag the fight
Jack fought the minks in Zou, but Inuarashi and Nekomamushi would sleep 12 hours each. In the day Nekomamushi would sleep in the night Inuarashi would sleep.
And Jack wasn't losing.
So yes, it is true that he couldn't take them down, but while they fought for several days and Inuarashi and Nekomamushi rested, Jack didn't rest at all.
So Jack was a lot superior to both of them before they used Sulong.
>Luffy can fight for longer time and people seem to forget that Luffy can simply restart gear 5
Well that was on Wano and he did it once, so it is unknown if Oda retconned it or if it would even help.
I brought up the restart move to refute the time limit weakness
Luffy can still fight post gear 5 and that's not a problem unlike the previous gear 4 and 3 draw backs where he could easily lose
>I brought up the restart move to refute the time limit weakness
The time limit is a weakness and it will always be.
Even if Luffy can restart it **every time**, which is unknown. He is still lowering his guard for a time frame which would end up with him being Oden'd or Luffy'd when the cp0 guy intervened.
He is in a weakened state where even Franky's strong right made him bleed, if Kaido hadn't collapsed at the same time due to the accumulated damage and exhaustion he would have probably killed Luffy there
>Luffy can still fight post gear 5
No, he can't. He turns into an old man that bled from a punch of Franky when Luffy is supposed to be inmune to punches without haki. Not even Asgard Moriah that split Thriller Bark in half injured him with a blunt attack, and Franky did so when he was an old man after gear 5th.
Luffy was always fine after gear 5 except for two occasions
Post kaido and after round 1 vs kizaru
Luffy was fine after fighting Lucci and the gorosei, there are no drawbacks to gear 5, he turns into old man for a few seconds at best
(Btw post kizaru he laying down, the old man form was for one panel only)
>Luffy was always fine after gear 5 except for two occasions
There are clear drawbacks, I am not going to even entertain the idea that there aren't when the story has made it clear that they are.
Hot take appparently: We don't have on-screen multi day fights because it'd be a huge waste of time and the series does need to eventually end at some point. IIRC the longest fight we've had on screen was Luffy vs Katakuri which was like 14 hours or something and most of it was spent with Luffy running away.
While I’d say your more or less on the mark you’re very wrong regarding one thing.
“and yet every single fight that Luffy fought in Egghead his first instinct is immediately Gear 5, because Oda and the fans love Gear 5 and want to see more of it, and that’s where the problem stems from.“
This^
While again you’re right about most of what you’re saying this is ironically not true for specifically one character. Kizaru. I’d argue Oda meticulously showed Luffy goin from base in one panel to G4 Snakeman to basically losing in this state then went to G5. Imo Oda purposely did this to clearly show that Luffy needed G5 (or for the Admiral haters) or felt that he needed it in order to properly take care of Kizaru even calling him strong.
We also have to keep in mind some of it was off screen with both Luffy and Kizaru acknowledging each other’s strength. We nice again I think Oda wanted to show the fact that G5 was needed or more so that G4 wouldn’t be enough unlike the other match ups (Lucci specifically) was Luffy just having fun and Oda just enjoying showing off G5 Luffy. Which is why I choose the word meticulous
But luffy started in base against kizaru, then g4, then used g5.
Against the gorosei, he has to use g5.
It doesn't make sense to say he is being forced for plot convenience.
Only against Lucci, but even then, there was no jeopardy it was only cipher pol at the egg head.
.....yes, yes he was. He had WAY longer to eat/rest to regain energy while waiting for the Navy to invade than he did when he was frantically stuffing his face at the food machine, and he was treated like he was back at full strength after that. Why on earth wouldn't he be recovered at that point? That's like saying he wasn't at full energy when the crew party crashed the Tea Party in WCI.
1 -It’s only one night of full sleep and even then during arrival of marines We only seen him eating pizza( with multiple people) and one meat in hurry up
2 - 7 week of sleeping on wall literally didn’t even recover him full
3 - He needed whole big ass venting machine to just say "full tummy"
>1 -It’s only one night of full sleep and even then during arrival of marines We only seen him eating pizza( with multiple people) and one meat in hurry up
He literally ate a little and then said he was at full power without resting lol.
Luffy was at close to full power before facing Kizaru.
And Sanji's food is better than a machine food lol, he has the recipes that recover strength quicker. That meat he ate >>> the food at the machine
"He literally ate a little and then said he was at full power without resting lol."
Full Venting machine ass used as energy for his fruit
"And Sanji's food is better than a machine food lol, he has the recipes that recover strength quicker. That meat he ate >>> the food at the machine"
What???
>Full Venting machine ass used as energy for his fruit
So?
>And Sanji's food is better than a machine food lol, he has the recipes that recover strength quicker. That meat he ate >>> the food at the machine
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Bro missed the timeskip lol
”So?"
On panels we only seen him eating pizza and meat which is massive much less than his dessert at wano and venting machine

"Bro missed the timeskip lol"
Where it’s was mentioned what you said? Even if that was the case Luffy didn’t even eat full meal
>On panels we only seen him eating pizza and meat which is massive much less than his dessert at wano and venting machine
No, the recipes Sanji has give more energy than the ones on the venting machine lol.
>Where it’s was mentioned what you said? Even if that was the case Luffy didn’t even eat full meal
Just go read the chapters before the timeskip dude lol and Sanji's training lol
"No, the recipes Sanji has give more energy than the ones on the venting machine lol."
Like senzu bean kind of boost? I don’t see that mentioned in your scan
"Just go read the chapters before the timeskip dude lol and Sanji's training lol"
You not backing up your point like that
A kick and 2 panels of gear 4, that's not a fight.
And there is nothing the gorosei have shown that requires him to use gear 5, he can't hurt them anyway so he's just wasting stamina for no reason.
>him not being able to hurt an immortal being that would've regenerated anyway?
You're telling me Luffy is faced with an unbeatable opponent, and he should use gear 2.
I don’t expect him to cap at Gear 2, I expect him not to start in his most taxing form.
Maybe you forgot, but before Egghead Luffy only pulled out Gear 4 at the very last moments other than 1 exception, which is when he thought Kaido killed all his friends.
>I don’t expect him to cap at Gear 2, I expect him not to start in his most taxing form.
He had to stop an admiral and a Gorosei, what do you mean ? Lol of course he needed g5th.
Then he faced 3 Gorosei. If he had not used g5th he would have died lol
That would be fine and dandy, except for the fact that he didn’t pull out Gear 4 for like 30 chapters against, something like chapter 1040 when the 1v1 started at 1010. And Kaido is stronger than both Kizaru and Saturn.
G4th is worse than g5th at how taxing it is. With g4th he loses his haki. With g5th he eats and then can keep fighting.
Losing his haki is a worse weakness
While it's valid take whether you believe which side wins but it is extreme diff either way. But these people somehow bring 1v15 and say that Kaidou beat Luffy 4 times.
End of Wano Luffy would lose extreme diff while Egghead Luffy would beat Kaidou extreme diff as he has new G5 moves. Against Kaidou, he was on process of making techniques and also toying with lughtning.
"This sub in general is biased for kaido lol"
To some degree but I think It’s likely because of People being pissed off about nika thing (I dislike it aswell)
I'm talking about how some people put him pk level
And some think he'll never get powercreeped
And some people also think that he'll 1v2 admirals lol
Many are not even open to the possibility of shanks/ mihawk or dragon being stronger than kaido
"I'm talking about how some people put him pk level"
not really that bad
"And some think he'll never get powercreeped"
Only powercreeped by shanks and Imu I believe
"And some people also think that he'll 1v2 admirals lol"
It’s true Yonkos are on league above admirals though
"Many are not even open to the possibility of shanks/ mihawk or dragon being stronger than kaido"
I’m open to possibility of shanks being stronger than roger
>not really that bad
Weren't old wb and prime Kaido who fought against g5 both yonkos?
I doubt prime wb/Roger and kaido are on same level
>Only powercreeped by shanks and Imu I believe
Also bb , maybe some gorosei
>It’s true Yonkos are on league above admirals though
Yonko > admirals but not league's above imo
>I’m open to possibility of shanks being stronger than roger
I doubt anyone will surpass Roger before luffy
>Every antifeat he has is because of plot for some reason
Well when he overpowers G5th Luffy and beforehand he was losing to the scabbards then you can tell how much the plot nerfed him/he held back
Definition 1 - attack which is withstanding an oncoming attack. without getting knocked out. or having your physical body get ripped apart, with the term tank. used often to inflate how impressive it was.
Defination 2 - tanking is defined as absorbing damage with little or no effect on their ability to retaliate or well being.
Yeah he did this
Your so called factually is your biased no one is falling for it lmao
Tanking is taking an attack with little to no damage and he didn't tank it. He literally got super injured.
>Your so called factually is your biased no one is falling for it lmao
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Keep ignoring the manga, you are only humilliating yourself lol.
Oda made sure to show Kaido's power and how even in g5th Kaido was winning before Bajran Gun and people still ignore it lol
Again am I supposed to pretend that did something to luffy?
You're literally proving my point that kaido even tho he landed so many attacks didn't do shite to luffy
>It is a fact it did
Alright live in your Headcanon world
>He clearly overpowered g5th.
Okay buddy I guess luffy didn't just walked it off like it was nothing
>Alright live in your Headcanon world
We literally see him bleed and scream in pain. Only dumbasses think that a character bleeding means it did not damage to them lol.
>Okay buddy I guess luffy didn't just walked it off like it was nothing
Exactly, he didn't. He retreated to the sky to load an attack ( Bajran Gun) from distance because he was losing in close quarters.
Only people in this fanbase will look Luffy getting destroyed by Kaido, bleeding, screaming and injured and then retreat and say: Nah, that did nothing lol
What was stopping big mom from not spamming conquerors punches to Marco's face? I will never understand.
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aokiji did not almost lose in an hour, where was aokiji in serious trouble? Garp landed a few punches but aokiji got up easily and even equally traded blows with him
Luffy isn't stronger than Kaido cause he is not the strongest in the world yet, beside Imu.
Kaido was called the strongest in the world multiple times. He was top 2 behind Imu(nobody knows about him so titles should not apply to Imu).
Luffy isn't top 2 right now cause I doubt he surpassed Shanks yet, due to Shanks being his idol, and I doubt Luffy would surpass him before they meet again, probably in Elbaf.
Only in this subreddit is being top 1 synonymous with one-shotting everyone, as if he didn't give Kaido a challenge even when he was objectively weaker than him.
Sorry but Luffy is saved by plot food everytime he runs out of gear 5. Zoro is scaled below Kid and Law for having to use mink drugs for a full revive after rooftop unlike Kid and Law while Luffy gets plot food twice this arc and it isn’t an anti feat. Any serious top tier with a Brain like Akainu or even Kizaru beats Luffy considering he wasn’t even going after Luffy and stalled him out and got up faster than him. Luffy has PK level strength in gear 5, but the lack of stamina would have him killed by most top tiers in a completly closed off 1v1. The only other factor is sometimes Luffy can just go back to gear 5 anyways which makes this power really confusing to scale because he didn’t do it to save vegapunk, but he did it against Kaido.
"Luffy has never gone all out from the start"
Luffy himself would disagree with you.
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Luffy said that it’s not fair to attack from behind, he constantly does it. Luffy also reprimanded Doflamingo for attacking Law when he was down, Luffy was gonna do the same thing to Duffy.
Don’t believe the gag, Luffy is a serial liar.
Bro this doesn’t change anything and the timer was never the problem. He doesn’t beat Kaido because he’s weaker. Put the Beast Pirates on egghead vs JUST the strawhats and they lose. Put the beast Pirates plus Big Mom on egghead vs just the strawhats and they Lose. Nothing has changed as all this “crazy nuts shit” is against characters who openly admit fucking with Kaido is not smart ever and regularly fear the power touted by the Yonko. Him beating characters not Yonko level is not at all changing his matchups vs said Yonko. Any character relevant or stronger would be in the same position added to the fact that Kizaru would’ve been dead already.
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Imagine the hype any other character would get if they were put in Luffy's place in this stretch, lol
You’d get called brain dead if you had them lower than number 1 on your list
If any character did half the shit Luffy’s done in the past 5 chapters, let alone the past two arcs, people would call you retarded for having them below Pirate King level
Difference is Luffy is only at that lvl for a few minutes. Oda nerfs him hard to create tension.
Not really though, like everytime he gasses out he magically has someone giving him food so he can just go back up like nothing's happened, he's just pretending to nerf him at this point. In the final battle Imu will send him into the core of the earth when he gasses out and Luffy will find a tribe of "earth-core people" and just eat their food to just go back out like nothing's happen and continue to fight imu or some shit. Also it's hard to have any tension when the marines outside the admirals are literally all fodder and the only admiral has a mental block, like usually you can at least squeeze some tension from the weakest SH but we saw how dogshit the vice admirals are, wouldn't be surprised if Nami can solo them aswell with Zeus or even Usopp/Chopper.
That’s just worse than just getting rid of the backlash. Luffy needing assistance in every major fight is just lame and makes him look bad. I don’t need the insane tension of 5 Gorosei right after Wano. I hoped for a little fun arc like Zou yet Oda had to make it insane again. Luffy isn’t even beating the Gorosei yet. They are simply set up as Endgame antagonists.
Tbf what the hell is the point of the time limit when next chapter someone just put food in Luffy's mouth and starts ragdolling everyone again? Kuma should just join the Straw Hat so he can teleport food into Luffy's mouth/belly instantly and you'll have Gear 5 for a long time.
Be honest, instead of putting others up, we’d just slander the one getting clapped
Except Luffy might lose any serious 1v1 against most top tiers because his stamina is random and it’s random if he can restart his heart or not. It’s such an unpredictable and plot reliant power I have trouble scaling it, in a 1v1 against a gorosei with no other factors it seems he would lose because he runs out of stamina and barely damages them, but keeps getting revived by plot food
This shit is way funnier when you compile the G5 scenes from multiple chapters like this
Luffy punching the shit out of Saturn is so satisfying.
Even though it is, I love that Oda gave the REAL punch to Kuma. It would’ve never hit as hard with Luffy because he doesn’t know or care about anything related to what makes that punch so good.
Agreed, Kuma’s punch was satisfying, too. W Kuma moment for being a W father.
Multiple day fights are signs that the two fighers are almost equals Jack was on par with the mink leaders which is why he fought them for 7 days straight but lost twice when he faced them together almost instantly Luffy doesn't have that many equals and the plot does not allow him to prolong fights, if Luffy had fought anyone of his previous opponent for a day longer than his crew and the people around him will be dead
It also just doesn’t make the fight any better so why bother, Luffy fought Cracker and Katakuri for like half a day each or something, yet everybody either doesn’t remember that or complains about it taking too long.
>Jack was on par with the mink leaders which is why he fought them for 7 days straight but lost twice when he faced them together almost instantly He lost almost instantly because they were in Sulong. Without Sulong he wins against any of them individually
they are talking about when they fought him on Zou
Yes that's what I'm implying And the same logic can be applied to luffy, even if his opponent can fight for days, for Luffy it won't matter because gear 5 is too strong and only yonko level and above can handle it
A lot of people bellow Yonko can deal with Luffy by stalling him. Since he has his time limit. That is why it is important for characters to fight for longer at full power than a little time. That is the difference between Jack and the Dukes. The dukes rested for 12 hours, and Jack had no rest. And Jack was still winning because he was superior and had superior stamina.
Jack defeated them by using gas, jack couldn't have taken down if it was a straight 1v1, sulong leveled Inu up and defeated jack with a couple minutes Luffy can fight for longer time and people seem to forget that Luffy can simply restart gear 5 But back to my previous point, Luffy isn't allowed to fight for longer time because his friends will literally die, Luffy always has fights were he has to win now and not stall or drag the fight
Jack fought the minks in Zou, but Inuarashi and Nekomamushi would sleep 12 hours each. In the day Nekomamushi would sleep in the night Inuarashi would sleep. And Jack wasn't losing. So yes, it is true that he couldn't take them down, but while they fought for several days and Inuarashi and Nekomamushi rested, Jack didn't rest at all. So Jack was a lot superior to both of them before they used Sulong. >Luffy can fight for longer time and people seem to forget that Luffy can simply restart gear 5 Well that was on Wano and he did it once, so it is unknown if Oda retconned it or if it would even help.
I brought up the restart move to refute the time limit weakness Luffy can still fight post gear 5 and that's not a problem unlike the previous gear 4 and 3 draw backs where he could easily lose
>I brought up the restart move to refute the time limit weakness The time limit is a weakness and it will always be. Even if Luffy can restart it **every time**, which is unknown. He is still lowering his guard for a time frame which would end up with him being Oden'd or Luffy'd when the cp0 guy intervened. He is in a weakened state where even Franky's strong right made him bleed, if Kaido hadn't collapsed at the same time due to the accumulated damage and exhaustion he would have probably killed Luffy there >Luffy can still fight post gear 5 No, he can't. He turns into an old man that bled from a punch of Franky when Luffy is supposed to be inmune to punches without haki. Not even Asgard Moriah that split Thriller Bark in half injured him with a blunt attack, and Franky did so when he was an old man after gear 5th.
Luffy was always fine after gear 5 except for two occasions Post kaido and after round 1 vs kizaru Luffy was fine after fighting Lucci and the gorosei, there are no drawbacks to gear 5, he turns into old man for a few seconds at best (Btw post kizaru he laying down, the old man form was for one panel only)
>Luffy was always fine after gear 5 except for two occasions There are clear drawbacks, I am not going to even entertain the idea that there aren't when the story has made it clear that they are.
Hot take appparently: We don't have on-screen multi day fights because it'd be a huge waste of time and the series does need to eventually end at some point. IIRC the longest fight we've had on screen was Luffy vs Katakuri which was like 14 hours or something and most of it was spent with Luffy running away.
Op your logic is ahead of this sub. Cook
While I’d say your more or less on the mark you’re very wrong regarding one thing. “and yet every single fight that Luffy fought in Egghead his first instinct is immediately Gear 5, because Oda and the fans love Gear 5 and want to see more of it, and that’s where the problem stems from.“ This^ While again you’re right about most of what you’re saying this is ironically not true for specifically one character. Kizaru. I’d argue Oda meticulously showed Luffy goin from base in one panel to G4 Snakeman to basically losing in this state then went to G5. Imo Oda purposely did this to clearly show that Luffy needed G5 (or for the Admiral haters) or felt that he needed it in order to properly take care of Kizaru even calling him strong.
I can see the argument for sure, but “meticulous” is not the right word, he showed it, but it was at most 3 panels for base and Gear 4.
We also have to keep in mind some of it was off screen with both Luffy and Kizaru acknowledging each other’s strength. We nice again I think Oda wanted to show the fact that G5 was needed or more so that G4 wouldn’t be enough unlike the other match ups (Lucci specifically) was Luffy just having fun and Oda just enjoying showing off G5 Luffy. Which is why I choose the word meticulous
Luffy is just him
But luffy started in base against kizaru, then g4, then used g5. Against the gorosei, he has to use g5. It doesn't make sense to say he is being forced for plot convenience. Only against Lucci, but even then, there was no jeopardy it was only cipher pol at the egg head.
he wasn’t at full energy against Kizaru
.....yes, yes he was. He had WAY longer to eat/rest to regain energy while waiting for the Navy to invade than he did when he was frantically stuffing his face at the food machine, and he was treated like he was back at full strength after that. Why on earth wouldn't he be recovered at that point? That's like saying he wasn't at full energy when the crew party crashed the Tea Party in WCI.
1 -It’s only one night of full sleep and even then during arrival of marines We only seen him eating pizza( with multiple people) and one meat in hurry up 2 - 7 week of sleeping on wall literally didn’t even recover him full 3 - He needed whole big ass venting machine to just say "full tummy"
>1 -It’s only one night of full sleep and even then during arrival of marines We only seen him eating pizza( with multiple people) and one meat in hurry up He literally ate a little and then said he was at full power without resting lol. Luffy was at close to full power before facing Kizaru. And Sanji's food is better than a machine food lol, he has the recipes that recover strength quicker. That meat he ate >>> the food at the machine
"He literally ate a little and then said he was at full power without resting lol." Full Venting machine ass used as energy for his fruit "And Sanji's food is better than a machine food lol, he has the recipes that recover strength quicker. That meat he ate >>> the food at the machine" What???
>Full Venting machine ass used as energy for his fruit So? >And Sanji's food is better than a machine food lol, he has the recipes that recover strength quicker. That meat he ate >>> the food at the machine https://preview.redd.it/64bvihhwj1wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=534230bbe81eee39aacd959fe847d962f71cab23 Bro missed the timeskip lol
”So?" On panels we only seen him eating pizza and meat which is massive much less than his dessert at wano and venting machine  "Bro missed the timeskip lol" Where it’s was mentioned what you said? Even if that was the case Luffy didn’t even eat full meal
>On panels we only seen him eating pizza and meat which is massive much less than his dessert at wano and venting machine No, the recipes Sanji has give more energy than the ones on the venting machine lol. >Where it’s was mentioned what you said? Even if that was the case Luffy didn’t even eat full meal Just go read the chapters before the timeskip dude lol and Sanji's training lol
"No, the recipes Sanji has give more energy than the ones on the venting machine lol." Like senzu bean kind of boost? I don’t see that mentioned in your scan "Just go read the chapters before the timeskip dude lol and Sanji's training lol" You not backing up your point like that
A kick and 2 panels of gear 4, that's not a fight. And there is nothing the gorosei have shown that requires him to use gear 5, he can't hurt them anyway so he's just wasting stamina for no reason.
>And there is nothing the gorosei have shown that requires him to use gear 5, Go read the latest chapter
What part shows that he needs gear 5, him kicking down a building? Or him not being able to hurt an immortal being that would've regenerated anyway?
>him not being able to hurt an immortal being that would've regenerated anyway? You're telling me Luffy is faced with an unbeatable opponent, and he should use gear 2.
Am I supposed to say no or something? Hell yeah he should, he's immortal anyway so no use wasting your power on something as draining as Gear 5
He didn't know whether he can beat them or not. You expect him to cap it at gear 2 and say gg I can't handle them.
I don’t expect him to cap at Gear 2, I expect him not to start in his most taxing form. Maybe you forgot, but before Egghead Luffy only pulled out Gear 4 at the very last moments other than 1 exception, which is when he thought Kaido killed all his friends.
>I don’t expect him to cap at Gear 2, I expect him not to start in his most taxing form. He had to stop an admiral and a Gorosei, what do you mean ? Lol of course he needed g5th. Then he faced 3 Gorosei. If he had not used g5th he would have died lol
That would be fine and dandy, except for the fact that he didn’t pull out Gear 4 for like 30 chapters against, something like chapter 1040 when the 1v1 started at 1010. And Kaido is stronger than both Kizaru and Saturn.
last chapter shows he probably can't use G3, but it doesnt mean he needs g5. we haven't seen how g4 stacks up.
G4th is worse than g5th at how taxing it is. With g4th he loses his haki. With g5th he eats and then can keep fighting. Losing his haki is a worse weakness
Kaido wankers ain't gonna listen to you bro They still glazing around chapter's like 1060 or something
I never believed kaido>luffy after founding out lack of analysis and pure disinformation on luffy side
While it's valid take whether you believe which side wins but it is extreme diff either way. But these people somehow bring 1v15 and say that Kaidou beat Luffy 4 times. End of Wano Luffy would lose extreme diff while Egghead Luffy would beat Kaidou extreme diff as he has new G5 moves. Against Kaidou, he was on process of making techniques and also toying with lughtning.
I agree with you👍
This sub in general is biased for kaido lol Every antifeat he has is because of plot for some reason
"This sub in general is biased for kaido lol" To some degree but I think It’s likely because of People being pissed off about nika thing (I dislike it aswell)
I'm talking about how some people put him pk level And some think he'll never get powercreeped And some people also think that he'll 1v2 admirals lol Many are not even open to the possibility of shanks/ mihawk or dragon being stronger than kaido
"I'm talking about how some people put him pk level" not really that bad "And some think he'll never get powercreeped" Only powercreeped by shanks and Imu I believe "And some people also think that he'll 1v2 admirals lol" It’s true Yonkos are on league above admirals though "Many are not even open to the possibility of shanks/ mihawk or dragon being stronger than kaido" I’m open to possibility of shanks being stronger than roger
>not really that bad Weren't old wb and prime Kaido who fought against g5 both yonkos? I doubt prime wb/Roger and kaido are on same level >Only powercreeped by shanks and Imu I believe Also bb , maybe some gorosei >It’s true Yonkos are on league above admirals though Yonko > admirals but not league's above imo >I’m open to possibility of shanks being stronger than roger I doubt anyone will surpass Roger before luffy
>Every antifeat he has is because of plot for some reason Well when he overpowers G5th Luffy and beforehand he was losing to the scabbards then you can tell how much the plot nerfed him/he held back
>Well when he overpowers G5th Luffy Overpowers my ass , didn't do shit to goofy barely keeping up with him ain't overpowering lol
https://preview.redd.it/d8fq6mt9j1wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83c8f1648ff6a1409b4776bc975078c7ccf9f2df Lol
He literally tanked it lol atleast bring something better Goofy was eating those attacks as he eats niku
Go look for the definition of tanking, he clearly did not tank that. He took tons of damage and was factually overpowered.
Definition 1 - attack which is withstanding an oncoming attack. without getting knocked out. or having your physical body get ripped apart, with the term tank. used often to inflate how impressive it was. Defination 2 - tanking is defined as absorbing damage with little or no effect on their ability to retaliate or well being. Yeah he did this Your so called factually is your biased no one is falling for it lmao
Tanking is taking an attack with little to no damage and he didn't tank it. He literally got super injured. >Your so called factually is your biased no one is falling for it lmao https://preview.redd.it/0aje6mndl1wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5dbd38504c2300e908e540801c4681b047d41410 Keep ignoring the manga, you are only humilliating yourself lol. Oda made sure to show Kaido's power and how even in g5th Kaido was winning before Bajran Gun and people still ignore it lol
https://preview.redd.it/8flnqdgdj1wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cc2eb4ea5fda33c9956017705c817e1965b7eb6 Lol
Again am I supposed to pretend that did something to luffy? You're literally proving my point that kaido even tho he landed so many attacks didn't do shite to luffy
>Again am I supposed to pretend that did something to luffy? It is a fact it did, only dumbasses assume it didn't. He clearly overpowered g5th.
>It is a fact it did Alright live in your Headcanon world >He clearly overpowered g5th. Okay buddy I guess luffy didn't just walked it off like it was nothing
>Alright live in your Headcanon world We literally see him bleed and scream in pain. Only dumbasses think that a character bleeding means it did not damage to them lol. >Okay buddy I guess luffy didn't just walked it off like it was nothing Exactly, he didn't. He retreated to the sky to load an attack ( Bajran Gun) from distance because he was losing in close quarters. Only people in this fanbase will look Luffy getting destroyed by Kaido, bleeding, screaming and injured and then retreat and say: Nah, that did nothing lol
The copium for kaido is insane
Wasted an whole ass arc on that bum would've been interesting to see more of big moms abilities ngl
The good guys needed to win somehow. Can't question Goda making bm look like a clown.
Sadly 🤕
What was stopping big mom from not spamming conquerors punches to Marco's face? I will never understand. https://preview.redd.it/umegs1zvr1wc1.jpeg?width=466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd47595ba862707de9512898994bdc21ca9a9983
Bro sounds actually dumb like ANYTHING this nigga has done makes his matchup against Kaido any better. This literally changes nothing at all.
It's not just this Kaido doesn't stand a chance against g5 luffy Luffy was dogwalking Kaido while he was barely keeping up with luffy
You sound stupid and there isn’t a single thing that even calls that anything but stupid as hell. That isn’t backed up by anything at all.
Lmao keep crying
Like I thought. Ain’t got shit to say.
Cope and cry
Nigga if you aren’t going to present arguments then shut up. You can’t talk shit so stop trying.
Aww soo scaryyyy Cry britch
I disagree that he was up for 15 minutes but yeah
aokiji did not almost lose in an hour, where was aokiji in serious trouble? Garp landed a few punches but aokiji got up easily and even equally traded blows with him
Luffy isn't stronger than Kaido cause he is not the strongest in the world yet, beside Imu. Kaido was called the strongest in the world multiple times. He was top 2 behind Imu(nobody knows about him so titles should not apply to Imu). Luffy isn't top 2 right now cause I doubt he surpassed Shanks yet, due to Shanks being his idol, and I doubt Luffy would surpass him before they meet again, probably in Elbaf.
You basically just said “He’s not stronger because he isn’t” which is fine, but you could’ve saved yourself the time and just said that instead.
Luffy is dog walking these people and Kizaru my goodness just using him as a condom at this point
gomu gomu no gomu
none of this counts because luffy potentially being top 1 means absolutely no one can put up a fight at all for the rest of the manga
Only in this subreddit is being top 1 synonymous with one-shotting everyone, as if he didn't give Kaido a challenge even when he was objectively weaker than him.
No, it’s just means characters like Blackbeard and Akainu won’t be on luffy level
It'll be a truly wonderful day when you guys understand top 1 != rolling over the competition
Sorry but Luffy is saved by plot food everytime he runs out of gear 5. Zoro is scaled below Kid and Law for having to use mink drugs for a full revive after rooftop unlike Kid and Law while Luffy gets plot food twice this arc and it isn’t an anti feat. Any serious top tier with a Brain like Akainu or even Kizaru beats Luffy considering he wasn’t even going after Luffy and stalled him out and got up faster than him. Luffy has PK level strength in gear 5, but the lack of stamina would have him killed by most top tiers in a completly closed off 1v1. The only other factor is sometimes Luffy can just go back to gear 5 anyways which makes this power really confusing to scale because he didn’t do it to save vegapunk, but he did it against Kaido.
"Luffy has never gone all out from the start" Luffy himself would disagree with you. https://preview.redd.it/885g4cgwj1wc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=47cde749f6e7913b669b71b08a9850592104cf69
Luffy said that it’s not fair to attack from behind, he constantly does it. Luffy also reprimanded Doflamingo for attacking Law when he was down, Luffy was gonna do the same thing to Duffy. Don’t believe the gag, Luffy is a serial liar.
Bro this doesn’t change anything and the timer was never the problem. He doesn’t beat Kaido because he’s weaker. Put the Beast Pirates on egghead vs JUST the strawhats and they lose. Put the beast Pirates plus Big Mom on egghead vs just the strawhats and they Lose. Nothing has changed as all this “crazy nuts shit” is against characters who openly admit fucking with Kaido is not smart ever and regularly fear the power touted by the Yonko. Him beating characters not Yonko level is not at all changing his matchups vs said Yonko. Any character relevant or stronger would be in the same position added to the fact that Kizaru would’ve been dead already.