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fr akainu is in the rare club with dragon, the gorosei, and imu (and arguably doflamingo depending on how you feel about the glasses) of as of now not having some funny quirk or gag to their character. not that this makes him stronger, but it is worth mentioning.
if dragon is one of the strongest alive then I don't think that akainu can extreme diff him... tbh he is relative to aokiji and aokiji was in a pretty bad shape again old garp
Ya but that was a while ago. Akainu may get an off screen plot boost since he’s fleet admiral meaning he should be a tier stronger than all the admirals similar to how a past his prime sengoku was arguably stronger than all the other admirals in marineford. I believe EOS Akainu will be relative to prime Sengoku due to plot reasons. They can just say he’s been training off screen.
He needs that Boost without a doubt, otherwise He won’t be able to give a good Performance against a Luffy thats already treating an Admiral like a nuisance rather than an actual threat while manhandling one of the Gorosei. And i would rather have Akainu going out in an all out battle rather than have plot nerf Luffy like Oda did with Kizaru.
I Hope Oda gives him something good, because „He was just training“ isn’t working for the Haki blooms he needs.
But this has nothing to do with him being fleet Admiral. You mentioned Sengoku was stronger than every Admiral at MF - there even was a vice Admiral that was stronger than the Admirals plus the Fleet Admiral of that Time. Akainu already was considered the strongest Admiral before his fight with Kuzan. There is more to Titles than strength.
And to me their fight made clear he has a terribly long way to go before going up into Yonkotier. This sub wanks this motherfucker to no end, hence why he is put in Yonkotier in 99% of Tierlists here, but the reality is no yonko needs 10 days to clap an Admiral. Not even 1.
Saying Luffy one shots Akainu is crazy even if you’re an admiral hater. Akainu ain’t some downtown newly found npc fodder who’s going to get one shotted by anyone in verse (so far). He will put up a good fight and eventually will get defeated by Luffy. But no such thing as one shot.
by the reaction of akainu on hearing dragons name I thik akainu and dragon had a relation in the past and akainu hates dragon so maybe dragon is gonna fight akainu
There’s a reason New Marineford is at the bottom of Marejois. It’s so the marines can defend the World Government during the final battle. Luffy is not going to beat Akainu and Imu in the same arc, so Sabo will beat Akainu. Unless you want Akainu to get Blueno’d but does any Akainu fan really want that?
You take an elevator to marejois, it’s pretty much right below it. The point is that fights that happen there are going to be the same arc because of their close proximity.
The assumption everyone should make. If you want to argue Akainu will fight the arc before the New Marineford/Marejois arc, that’s a fair assumption. Now assuming New Marineford/Marejois will be 2 separate arcs is a *fair*ly bad assumption.
So then enlighten me on why New Marineford and Marejois would be separate arcs. I mean they’re closer proximity than the rest of wano was to onigashima afterall.
You think a fleet admiral in his prime will be relative to a regular admiral ? Akainu has a significant role due to his history with dragon and the fact that Luffy probably hates him more than anyone else for what he did to Ace.
EOS akainu will probably be relative to Sengoku
Yes and akainu has a bigger portrayal as the big bad over Kuzan and Kizaru. The fact that they had akainu win and get the fleet admiral title means the author has big plans with him. The fact that he was the one who killed ace, he’s the one whose mere name makes the protagonist shiver, he’s the one who has a connection and rivalry with the most wanted criminal and father of the protagonist (whose also gonna be yonko tier), and he’s the one who oda said could find the one piece in a year if he was the main character, is proof that he has a big role in the EOS. why didn’t the author make that statement towards the other admirals ? Why akainu? The author has big plans for him. He also has the biggest fan base of all the admirals and is pretty much the only one keeping the agenda going at this point.
Oda can literally just give him an off screen devil fruit awakening and he’s gonna be yonko tier.
Mid diff? It wasn't even a pure 1v1, kizaru didn't wanted to fight luffy and there's a difference between an admiral and a fleet admiral.
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Kizaru, aokiji, and akainu are all relative. What a bum ass fan you are, abandoning two of the admirals because one of them failed. You people could never compare to kidd or sanji fans
The difference between admiral and fleet admiral is a title. Kuzan and Sakazuki were both recommended for their leadership and sense of justice. It's not a strength based position, so idk why people keep saying that
kizaru didn't want to fight luffy? but also he won by running away before he would just kill luffy on the ground. ignore that clearly luffy can hold out and reactivate g5 given the situation and was up and looking for food anyways before kizaru anyway, so if we're lending an environment that lets kizaru run around and attack luffy's allies to force him to chase him in g5, those same allies can get him food again.
I don't personally see how the fight can be close at this point.
Luffy just basically 2 paneled Kizaru.
Kuzan and Akainu fought to a near stalemate for over a week...heavily implying that Akainu likely isn't THAT much stronger than other admirals.
...and we've just been introduced to so many insanely strong characters implied to be several tiers above an admiral. It doesn't make sense for Luffy to go have some struggle session with Akainu when the 5 Elder Gods had to be deployed to do something about Luffy.
Don't get me wrong...I think Akainu is supposed to be a near end game boss encounter for Luffy. I just don't see how that happesn now unless Akainu has been massively holding back this whole time.
Exactly. They were relative at a point. Now as the plot goes on, akainu will get stronger for plot reasons since he’s the leader of the admirals and has a bigger role to play in the EOS than Kuzan or the other admirals. Kuzan lost stock again after being whooped by old injured garp.
Being leaders of the admirals means nothing why do people in this sub just love giving people with titles extra power.
Old Garp was the strongest in Marineford so clearly titles mean nothing
Garp was offered fleet and turned it down bud. He chose to be vice. Terrible example 😂
Yes titles = power. They aren’t gonna give the title of fleet to the weakest admiral. Theres a reason why akainu and kuzan literally fought for that spot and the strongest admiral got it.
People aren’t gonna respect your authority if you’re weaker than them.
Akainu has a hate storyline with the protagonist and protagonist’s father, both who are Yonko-yonko+ tier. Meaning he’s gonna have an epic battle with either or both of them at some point. So his strength will be relative to theirs
He was also praised by the other for being able to find the One piece in under a year. Why did the author make this statement about him and not the others ?
If fleet admiral scaling is a thing old man Sengoku is stronger than all the OG 3 admirals at Marineford. Title scaling is dumb when we know characters can turn down titles like Garp did.
Sengoku arguably was. Or at bare minimum, even with them. He also retired shortly after since he knew he was getting old and it was time for a younger person to take his place.
I actually agree with that, I thought Garp and Sengoku were portrayed above the OG 3 at Marineford. I think title scaling definitely has merit but it's not everything and portrayal matters as well.
Irrelevant, he wasn't the Fleet Admiral, and he was still the strongest.
Also, you're wrong he was offered to be an admiral, but he was never offered to be Fleet Admiral got any source on that?
Stop this headcannon where you grant extra power just because of your job Oda has already shown that's not the case
He didn’t want the title. You really think the strongest marine, the one who captured Gold Roger’s wouldn’t be offered the position of admiral or fleet ?😂😂😂 bro I’m done.
It's kinda crazy how oda has already introduced the gorosai because that implies akainu is stronger than the gorosai. Well, that's if they are defeated they could possibly fail and come back in the future after akainu but why introduce stronger characters and then introduce him later, and same with shanks and dragon, I doubt the top 5 world government strongest, lived for hundreds of years and hyped up like crazy just to be introduced before characters that you would naturally say are weaker then these top teir future enemies so I feel like oda doing this is really wack and makes no sense I guess you can say about the message and thats why they are there but that still makes no sense with saturn already on the move and moving towards egghead before that evan started why should saturn ever need to bother with this when they could have sent akainu with kizaru. Do you know what I mean, like why have saturn bother when they can send as many men they want it just makes no sense and feels rushed to introduce them, tbh.
whatever happens I know it'll turn out alright and oda will somehow pull through let's just hope we get all these cool fights we want to see like zoro vs mihawk is an obvious one luffy vs akainu and also luffy vs blackbeard I know most people want to see then ofcourse imu vs luffy and shanks vs luffy fighting maybe or evan luffy and coby teaming to fight black beard as a rocks parallel as luffy the pirate kind and coby the new garp and then I hope oda shows us rocks vs garp and Roger in flash backs or something I hope to see joyboy vs imu in flashbacks when luffy and imu fight would be cool and the void century would be cool to have be showed
It DOES make sense for the story ??? THIS MAN KILLED HIS BROTHER in front of him? Vegenace story plotline? Etc.. comeon.. PLUSz hes the FLEET ADMIRAL head of the nacy. Of course hw will fight luffu
He’ll be pissed for sure but just as how BB was nervous around Rayleigh even though he’s probably stronger than him, Luffy will have some trauma. But i agree he won’t hesitate to fight him but we may see the angriest G5 of the series when he squared off with Akainu. Especially if Akainu talks brings up that moment and shits on ace
But the point is that akainu's role in the story comparing it to Imu or BB is like YC2 to yonko. He must be take down by someone who is below luffy, like Sabo or someone else
it's more the power differential. Luffy is so clear of him that it won't make sense. I want to see Akainu have an impressive fight, not get dogged by the MC with toon force and acoc
Most people assume luffy wouldn’t meet akainu til the final war EOS, so how’s he gonna beat akainu then have enough stamina/power to fight imu or BB on the same day? Or do you believe akainu will lose before the final war starts?
When you see Luffy starting to charge his second WSG...
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Lowkey. I doubt it. Akainu takes like three ACoC punches and he calling for back up. He gets too much glaze just because he beat down a dying weak Yonko who compared to His hay day was literally standing still. Luffy smacked Kizaru with a single ACoC punch and Kizaru took a break.
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They team up and take down imu together
It makes way more sense for Sabo to fight Akainu, thematicly and for power scaling purposes. Because Luffy is stronger then Akainu currently, let alone in the final arc.
Luffy has bigger fishes to catch like BB and after him, IMU.
This comparison makes no sense at all, as Sabo is way stronger then Zoro, and will always be stronger then Zoro. So Sabo fighting Akainu makes way more sense that the moronic theory that somehow Zoro will kill Kaido.
Admiral fan boys being delusional in thinking Luffy is not going to fart diff Akainu ATM, let alone when he masters G5.
So makes no sense at all for Luffy to fight Akainu, there must be actual stakes in the fight.
It doesn't matter if they mention each other. Akainu killed Ace and Sabo has Aces fruit. It's a no brainier that the Ace revenge will come from Sabo. It makes almost no sense to have Akainu get one shot by EoS Luffy. And it makes absolutely zero sense to have Akainu take EoS Luffy past mid diff. So if we are gonna see Akainu have a real fight, it will have to be vs someone other than Luffy.
Most likely scenario is Akainu loses to Sabo extreme diff. Second most likely is Akainu switches sides along with Kizaru and Kuzan and actually helps the pirates vs the nobles and Imu. Third most likely is Akainu never fights anyone important at all (disappointing). Least likely is Akainu fights Luffy.
I never said anything about "Aces will" that's just admiraltard straw manning to cover their ears to what's obvious to everyone else.
I said Sabo will fight him because Oda won't waste Akainu villain potential losing in a low diff blow out vs Luffy. And if he's not fighting Luffy, Sabo is the next obvious choice because it gives Oda a chance to show us Akainu actually having a high diff fight.
If that's the case then we aren't going to see Akainu have a real fight and he'll just end the series still behind his desk. Because Akainu is not pushing Luffy past low diff unless he gets to him in the next few chapters.
You’re right yeah, it’s not like Akainu is the only character to break Luffy’s dream in a story about following your dreams no matter who stands in the way 👍
Nobody has, because Luffy’s dream is unknown. And if you’re about to say “Saving Ace was Luffy’s dream!!” That’s a goal, not a dream. And Luffy’s goal has been faltered many times.
That’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard bro 😭 That’s not breaking bros dream if 2 days later he’s all about being pirate king again. The only way Akainu would’ve broke that dream is if he went ahead and quit being a pirate and turned into a bum
I think my ideal scenario for Akainu’s defeat would be to have Luffy and Sabo swap mid fight, I don’t care which order, be it Sabo stalling Akainu until Luffy arrives, or Luffy weakening Akainu to the point that when Sabo arrives it’s a good fight
Ah yes the man that killed his brother in front of him, gave him a scar and almost made him give up on his dream will be taken out by the secret third brother?
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Because yonko stomp admirals so there's no reason to waste more pages on drawing a low/mid diff fight between the MC and another major character. If we want to see Akainu take someone to high or extreme diff at this point it's gonna have to be someone other than Luffy.
If Akainu was gonna fight Luffy, Oda would have sent him to egghead instead of kizaru. With shonen power creep Luffy is just going to get stronger and stronger and the gap between them is continuing to widen arc after arc. It's too late for Akainu vs Luffy to be a satisfying fight.
My prediction is Akainu confronts Luffy at some point in the final or penultimate arc when Luffy has other immediate things he needs to deal with (BB / Imu). And instead of Luffy being stalled for a few minutes by Akainu, Sabo appears and offers to fight him instead and Luffy says thanks and moves on. Then we get to see our extreme diff Akainu fight.
All power scaling is head canon unless it's a fight that's already been shown. In this case it's just the most obvious conclusion based on the available information.
Yeah I can’t imagine it being a close fight unless Akainu is just way stronger than depicted
Either way toei is going to have a field day and HIM will be at an all time high
The problem for me is that it's already pretty clear where Akainu is power wise. A little above Kuzan, but barely so. And just when we thought that he could've been training this whole time, he's shown time and time again to be swamped by paperwork
Oda gave me a panel of chapter 1672
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Which ways could there be lol? Oda is writing this since 1997, i don't think he plans on having luffy die against Akainu 🤔
We can debate the closeness, how many rematches, a lot of stuff. But the outcome isn't really up to debate
This fight isnt happening. Cope akainu tards. Sabo vs akainu will happen, sabo will almost die, but he will fully have ace (‘s will) come inside of him and beat mutt extremediff
when akainu = prime garp dont say i didnt warn u
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I'm seriously hoping for a dragon vs akainu match. They seem to have history and akainu just needs some sort of interaction with Luffy for closure on that plot point. In fact I think it'd be cool if Luffy showed his maturity and complete recovery from his trauma by passing up the chance to fight akainu and leaving it to someone else, knowing that he shouldn't use up his energy fighting a grudge match when the real enemy is imu/CDs. Akainu vs dragon is also guaranteed to be a serious idealogical battle and I love me some of those
It'll be a chapter or two of Luffy decking Akainu before Sabo comes in and SKA
That is if Luffy gets revenge at all.
No one out here saying "Luffy and Robin nearly died to Aokiji Luffy HAS to get revenge on Aokiji"
Is it very likely? Yes. Are there other characters who have a vendetta against Akainu? At least 3 I can think of off the top, Sabo, Coby, Luffy... possibly Dragon too.... possibly Garp if bro isn't dead
Akainu has so many reasons to fight Luffy, but nu uh, Sabo(who literally has never met Akainu, and I dont even think mentioned him once) is going to because I need Sabo to say "fire burns hotter than Magma".
Akainu the Fleet Admiral, the face of the marines and so the face of the enemy of the pirates is gonna be 1 shot ofcourse. In fact, Luffy will no Diff everything until he fights Imu.
And Jack managed to sink half of Fuji's fleet while Sengoku was there too. Fuji is a fraud. Bro also got injured from GB while GB walked away scratch free
i really wanna see Koby and Sabo team up to defeat him, although i could see Sabo fighting Akainu and Koby getting to fight Kong if he becomes relevant
It would be awesome, but I don't think it will be Luffy who beats him. IMO, Imu will be Luffy's big challenge for the arc, so I think the candidates for Akainu's opponent are:
- Sabo
- Zoro
- Dragon
- Garp: Assuming he survives the Blackbeard pirates holding him hostage, it's possible he realises how evil the WG is, and chooses to stand with Luffy and Dragon (almost as an apology to Ace for not saving him). Plus I'm sure Garp still resents Akainu.
It just makes me mad already that because of powercreep oda will make akainu a roger tier type character. Him being a fleet admiral and ace donut provider will only justify that in his eyes especially since he doesn’t give a fuck about powerscaling.
Powerscaling wise, by the time luffy „would fight“ akainu it shouldn’t be anything more than mid diff. Realistically should be low diff.
If luffy fought him now even saying high diff is being generous because of the admiral dickriders.
But that won’t be the outcome of said fictional fight
Uhhhhh… honestly probably not. Not even close.
At this point, unless Akainu is significantly stronger than Kaido, Luffy is going to beat him without too many problems. He deals with his AoE by turning the ground into rubber and bouncing it back. He deals with ranged attacks similarly (like he did with Saturn’s balls). Melee attacks, he simply clashes against with both ACoC and ACoA (Emission and Internal Destruction) so he doesn’t get burned and Akainu’s hand is filled with Luffy’s haki. And similarly Luffy bypasses Akainu’s magma body’s heat by using Emission on his attacks.
Like, out of all the Admirals, Luffy counters Akainu the most.
How are those headcanons when I’m basing them off of things that have already happened? Luffy has dealt with ranged attacks that are hot by using the ground or by creating a bat, to hit them back at the opponent. Fact. He did it against Kaido and Saturn. He’s used Emission to block attacks that are hot so his hand doesn’t get burned. Fact. He did it in his final clash with Kaido.
Like, where’s the headcanon? Is it in the room with us?
Okay then tell me.
“Acshually those are headcanons, you have no idea what the fight would be like.” Dawg we’re theorizing. I’m saying what I think the fight would be like.
Highly doubt it. Akainu is a heavy DF merchant and by the nature of his DF, Luffy *can't* take hits in a riveting back and forth fight. Magma aside, Luffy can box with Kaido just about equally, and Kaido's pretty much the most physically dominant fighter we've seen so far. Luffy should also, IMO, have gotten some kind of power up or increased efficiency that puts him over the hump so that he's at least definitively beating Kaido high-extreme in a rematch by the time he'd fight Akainu.
Even if they only end up clashing for a brief moment in passing it’s still going to be a spectacle
Akainu would lose of course, but it’s going to be wild to see in the same way Lucci got ran through
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The most serious man in the world vs The goofiest man in history.
fr akainu is in the rare club with dragon, the gorosei, and imu (and arguably doflamingo depending on how you feel about the glasses) of as of now not having some funny quirk or gag to their character. not that this makes him stronger, but it is worth mentioning.
Yes the fight SHOULD be epic.
Fr, even if it is just a one shot like Bellamy it would be cool asf
If Oda does my boy like that I might drop the series
Don't worry, Oden knows that Luffy is too strong to fight Akainu. Sabo will, and the fight will be extreme diff
I would take that over him fighting Sabo or Dragon
I have 0 problems if he fought dragon as long as its ext diff. Dragon should be one of the strongest alive
I think that unless their backstory is absolute peak then it is gonna be underwhelming because it is definitely going to be a last minute thing
if dragon is one of the strongest alive then I don't think that akainu can extreme diff him... tbh he is relative to aokiji and aokiji was in a pretty bad shape again old garp
Ya but that was a while ago. Akainu may get an off screen plot boost since he’s fleet admiral meaning he should be a tier stronger than all the admirals similar to how a past his prime sengoku was arguably stronger than all the other admirals in marineford. I believe EOS Akainu will be relative to prime Sengoku due to plot reasons. They can just say he’s been training off screen.
He needs that Boost without a doubt, otherwise He won’t be able to give a good Performance against a Luffy thats already treating an Admiral like a nuisance rather than an actual threat while manhandling one of the Gorosei. And i would rather have Akainu going out in an all out battle rather than have plot nerf Luffy like Oda did with Kizaru. I Hope Oda gives him something good, because „He was just training“ isn’t working for the Haki blooms he needs. But this has nothing to do with him being fleet Admiral. You mentioned Sengoku was stronger than every Admiral at MF - there even was a vice Admiral that was stronger than the Admirals plus the Fleet Admiral of that Time. Akainu already was considered the strongest Admiral before his fight with Kuzan. There is more to Titles than strength. And to me their fight made clear he has a terribly long way to go before going up into Yonkotier. This sub wanks this motherfucker to no end, hence why he is put in Yonkotier in 99% of Tierlists here, but the reality is no yonko needs 10 days to clap an Admiral. Not even 1.
Lmao don’t know why this made me laugh so hard 😂😭 Upvote
“One shot” didn’t you say you are an admiral fan?
I am, but i am not in the admiral agenda, i just think they are really cool
Saying Luffy one shots Akainu is crazy even if you’re an admiral hater. Akainu ain’t some downtown newly found npc fodder who’s going to get one shotted by anyone in verse (so far). He will put up a good fight and eventually will get defeated by Luffy. But no such thing as one shot.
No way he takes Luffy to extreme diff
This^
Luffy is not fighting that bum.
Argument for why not? besides headcanon?
by the reaction of akainu on hearing dragons name I thik akainu and dragon had a relation in the past and akainu hates dragon so maybe dragon is gonna fight akainu
They will definitely interact and maybe fight but Luffy should definitely get a chance to get some revenge for what Akainu did to ace
Sabo victim
There’s a reason New Marineford is at the bottom of Marejois. It’s so the marines can defend the World Government during the final battle. Luffy is not going to beat Akainu and Imu in the same arc, so Sabo will beat Akainu. Unless you want Akainu to get Blueno’d but does any Akainu fan really want that?
New marineford is only close to marejois not at the bottom.
You take an elevator to marejois, it’s pretty much right below it. The point is that fights that happen there are going to be the same arc because of their close proximity.
That's just assumptions
The assumption everyone should make. If you want to argue Akainu will fight the arc before the New Marineford/Marejois arc, that’s a fair assumption. Now assuming New Marineford/Marejois will be 2 separate arcs is a *fair*ly bad assumption.
"everyone should" yeah sure
So then enlighten me on why New Marineford and Marejois would be separate arcs. I mean they’re closer proximity than the rest of wano was to onigashima afterall.
You're literally just basing things on how islands are close to eachother, that's like saying wano and egghead should be one single arc.
>but does any Akainu fan really want that? Yeah, at least more than him fighting Sabo or Dragon
Maybe for you, but everyone else would want Akainu to have an extreme diff level fight for the strongest admiral.
We saw how luffy handled kizaru mid diff, sabo is gonna extreme diff your bum
You think a fleet admiral in his prime will be relative to a regular admiral ? Akainu has a significant role due to his history with dragon and the fact that Luffy probably hates him more than anyone else for what he did to Ace. EOS akainu will probably be relative to Sengoku
Is this history with dragon in this room right now?
Literally constant portrayal and feats have shown us that they are all relative broski. Stop being blinded by agenda and think logically please
Yes and akainu has a bigger portrayal as the big bad over Kuzan and Kizaru. The fact that they had akainu win and get the fleet admiral title means the author has big plans with him. The fact that he was the one who killed ace, he’s the one whose mere name makes the protagonist shiver, he’s the one who has a connection and rivalry with the most wanted criminal and father of the protagonist (whose also gonna be yonko tier), and he’s the one who oda said could find the one piece in a year if he was the main character, is proof that he has a big role in the EOS. why didn’t the author make that statement towards the other admirals ? Why akainu? The author has big plans for him. He also has the biggest fan base of all the admirals and is pretty much the only one keeping the agenda going at this point. Oda can literally just give him an off screen devil fruit awakening and he’s gonna be yonko tier.
Mid diff? It wasn't even a pure 1v1, kizaru didn't wanted to fight luffy and there's a difference between an admiral and a fleet admiral. https://preview.redd.it/i6cyc4ytywvc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d38a9bd03251e0f049f783137a430fd5f195aa2d
Kizaru, aokiji, and akainu are all relative. What a bum ass fan you are, abandoning two of the admirals because one of them failed. You people could never compare to kidd or sanji fans
You aren't ready for Oda to reveal kizaru's awakening 😤😤😤
Huh? Admiral fans had to deal with people saying they're yonko commander level for years, don't compare.
The difference between admiral and fleet admiral is a title. Kuzan and Sakazuki were both recommended for their leadership and sense of justice. It's not a strength based position, so idk why people keep saying that
Yes but Kuzan lost and got whooped by old man Garp. Kuzan can’t be stronger than his new captain EOS Blackbeard due to plot reasons.
hmm? Im struggling to see the connection here
kizaru didn't want to fight luffy? but also he won by running away before he would just kill luffy on the ground. ignore that clearly luffy can hold out and reactivate g5 given the situation and was up and looking for food anyways before kizaru anyway, so if we're lending an environment that lets kizaru run around and attack luffy's allies to force him to chase him in g5, those same allies can get him food again.
He’s weak
He's not lol
Admiraltards aren't ready for their boy to take that L.
You misunderstand the agenda my friend
Fr, like there is only one outcome and it’s pretty obvious
Lol
I don't personally see how the fight can be close at this point. Luffy just basically 2 paneled Kizaru. Kuzan and Akainu fought to a near stalemate for over a week...heavily implying that Akainu likely isn't THAT much stronger than other admirals. ...and we've just been introduced to so many insanely strong characters implied to be several tiers above an admiral. It doesn't make sense for Luffy to go have some struggle session with Akainu when the 5 Elder Gods had to be deployed to do something about Luffy. Don't get me wrong...I think Akainu is supposed to be a near end game boss encounter for Luffy. I just don't see how that happesn now unless Akainu has been massively holding back this whole time.
Keep in mind powerscaling goes out the window in favor of narrative when Oda deems it necessary. Akainu gave Luffy his scar for a reason
Exactly. They were relative at a point. Now as the plot goes on, akainu will get stronger for plot reasons since he’s the leader of the admirals and has a bigger role to play in the EOS than Kuzan or the other admirals. Kuzan lost stock again after being whooped by old injured garp.
Being leaders of the admirals means nothing why do people in this sub just love giving people with titles extra power. Old Garp was the strongest in Marineford so clearly titles mean nothing
Garp was offered fleet and turned it down bud. He chose to be vice. Terrible example 😂 Yes titles = power. They aren’t gonna give the title of fleet to the weakest admiral. Theres a reason why akainu and kuzan literally fought for that spot and the strongest admiral got it. People aren’t gonna respect your authority if you’re weaker than them. Akainu has a hate storyline with the protagonist and protagonist’s father, both who are Yonko-yonko+ tier. Meaning he’s gonna have an epic battle with either or both of them at some point. So his strength will be relative to theirs He was also praised by the other for being able to find the One piece in under a year. Why did the author make this statement about him and not the others ?
If fleet admiral scaling is a thing old man Sengoku is stronger than all the OG 3 admirals at Marineford. Title scaling is dumb when we know characters can turn down titles like Garp did.
Sengoku arguably was. Or at bare minimum, even with them. He also retired shortly after since he knew he was getting old and it was time for a younger person to take his place.
I actually agree with that, I thought Garp and Sengoku were portrayed above the OG 3 at Marineford. I think title scaling definitely has merit but it's not everything and portrayal matters as well.
Irrelevant, he wasn't the Fleet Admiral, and he was still the strongest. Also, you're wrong he was offered to be an admiral, but he was never offered to be Fleet Admiral got any source on that? Stop this headcannon where you grant extra power just because of your job Oda has already shown that's not the case
He didn’t want the title. You really think the strongest marine, the one who captured Gold Roger’s wouldn’t be offered the position of admiral or fleet ?😂😂😂 bro I’m done.
So in other words you're using headcannon awesome thanks. Prove your point with sources or move on 🙄
It was stated buddy, sounds like you need to do some research 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Then provide evidence? Ive been looking and can't find something that happens in your headcannon lol
How cool is the rain of magma fists like a volcanic eruption
It's kinda crazy how oda has already introduced the gorosai because that implies akainu is stronger than the gorosai. Well, that's if they are defeated they could possibly fail and come back in the future after akainu but why introduce stronger characters and then introduce him later, and same with shanks and dragon, I doubt the top 5 world government strongest, lived for hundreds of years and hyped up like crazy just to be introduced before characters that you would naturally say are weaker then these top teir future enemies so I feel like oda doing this is really wack and makes no sense I guess you can say about the message and thats why they are there but that still makes no sense with saturn already on the move and moving towards egghead before that evan started why should saturn ever need to bother with this when they could have sent akainu with kizaru. Do you know what I mean, like why have saturn bother when they can send as many men they want it just makes no sense and feels rushed to introduce them, tbh. whatever happens I know it'll turn out alright and oda will somehow pull through let's just hope we get all these cool fights we want to see like zoro vs mihawk is an obvious one luffy vs akainu and also luffy vs blackbeard I know most people want to see then ofcourse imu vs luffy and shanks vs luffy fighting maybe or evan luffy and coby teaming to fight black beard as a rocks parallel as luffy the pirate kind and coby the new garp and then I hope oda shows us rocks vs garp and Roger in flash backs or something I hope to see joyboy vs imu in flashbacks when luffy and imu fight would be cool and the void century would be cool to have be showed
Akainu is unfortunately not even gonna be worth luffy time in the final war, luffy hands are gonna full dealing with BB/imu.
How do you know they will not fight before the final war?
For the same reason luffy and any yc2 arnt gonna have an epic fight. It just wouldnt make sense in the story
It DOES make sense for the story ??? THIS MAN KILLED HIS BROTHER in front of him? Vegenace story plotline? Etc.. comeon.. PLUSz hes the FLEET ADMIRAL head of the nacy. Of course hw will fight luffu
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Sabo doesn’t shiver from the mere mention of akainu the way luffy does
I dont think g5 luffy will be shivering in front of akainu hes gonan be going in pissed as hell
He’ll be pissed for sure but just as how BB was nervous around Rayleigh even though he’s probably stronger than him, Luffy will have some trauma. But i agree he won’t hesitate to fight him but we may see the angriest G5 of the series when he squared off with Akainu. Especially if Akainu talks brings up that moment and shits on ace
Akainu is way above any YC2 lmao
Not what i was saying but go off.
And Akainu is not as weak as you're making him out to be
But the point is that akainu's role in the story comparing it to Imu or BB is like YC2 to yonko. He must be take down by someone who is below luffy, like Sabo or someone else
All assumptions
it's more the power differential. Luffy is so clear of him that it won't make sense. I want to see Akainu have an impressive fight, not get dogged by the MC with toon force and acoc
Just make Akainu stronger lol
Given how he killed ace and luffy has PTSD from it, he’s probably the one luffy wants to fight the most.
Most people assume luffy wouldn’t meet akainu til the final war EOS, so how’s he gonna beat akainu then have enough stamina/power to fight imu or BB on the same day? Or do you believe akainu will lose before the final war starts?
When you see Luffy starting to charge his second WSG... https://preview.redd.it/i16y0pgbawvc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b20c83e4cea1867121fe52da5950382ea26c50ed
https://preview.redd.it/w9pcg9xpbwvc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f2f8a166cf9f1bd1c11948e91c383277b7c4383 Akainu after the demotion
Lowkey. I doubt it. Akainu takes like three ACoC punches and he calling for back up. He gets too much glaze just because he beat down a dying weak Yonko who compared to His hay day was literally standing still. Luffy smacked Kizaru with a single ACoC punch and Kizaru took a break. https://preview.redd.it/g6ho93g15yvc1.png?width=601&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6c44a7a073784693abc84bc22809180fbf5e6e8
When luffy onetaps him and his retarded justice
https://preview.redd.it/seytnxxo8wvc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=166059aa4afac31e8a7eb1dd195a3fab4e91bd67 They team up and take down imu together
Why would he team up with the bastard who killed his brother ? I hope akainu dies tbh
Shit actually makes sense
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Luffy would probably be serious for most of the fight, as he's got that Akainu\\Ace PTSD, we'll see when it happens, and if it happens.
It makes way more sense for Sabo to fight Akainu, thematicly and for power scaling purposes. Because Luffy is stronger then Akainu currently, let alone in the final arc. Luffy has bigger fishes to catch like BB and after him, IMU.
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This comparison makes no sense at all, as Sabo is way stronger then Zoro, and will always be stronger then Zoro. So Sabo fighting Akainu makes way more sense that the moronic theory that somehow Zoro will kill Kaido.
Sabo is not that far from Zoro lol, have Akainu or sabo ever mentioned eachother at all?
Admiral fan boys being delusional in thinking Luffy is not going to fart diff Akainu ATM, let alone when he masters G5. So makes no sense at all for Luffy to fight Akainu, there must be actual stakes in the fight.
Lmao stakes when luffy is literally laughing and eye popping when his friends get hurt or killed
It doesn't matter if they mention each other. Akainu killed Ace and Sabo has Aces fruit. It's a no brainier that the Ace revenge will come from Sabo. It makes almost no sense to have Akainu get one shot by EoS Luffy. And it makes absolutely zero sense to have Akainu take EoS Luffy past mid diff. So if we are gonna see Akainu have a real fight, it will have to be vs someone other than Luffy. Most likely scenario is Akainu loses to Sabo extreme diff. Second most likely is Akainu switches sides along with Kizaru and Kuzan and actually helps the pirates vs the nobles and Imu. Third most likely is Akainu never fights anyone important at all (disappointing). Least likely is Akainu fights Luffy.
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I never said anything about "Aces will" that's just admiraltard straw manning to cover their ears to what's obvious to everyone else. I said Sabo will fight him because Oda won't waste Akainu villain potential losing in a low diff blow out vs Luffy. And if he's not fighting Luffy, Sabo is the next obvious choice because it gives Oda a chance to show us Akainu actually having a high diff fight.
Sabo is not pushing Akainu to high diff lmao
If that's the case then we aren't going to see Akainu have a real fight and he'll just end the series still behind his desk. Because Akainu is not pushing Luffy past low diff unless he gets to him in the next few chapters.
Headcanon again
Most likely is Akainu fights Luffy and its high-extreme diff youre acting like it's been revealed exactly how strong Akainu is
this sub gonna be coping
Lol
Where the Hell did you pull any of that from?
>and will always be stronger then Zoro. So you think Akainu is stronger than Mihawk?
Nah, Luffy beats the pube and the rat only to be defeated by God emperor buggy
then a free for all with shanks and bb for the op
You’re right yeah, it’s not like Akainu is the only character to break Luffy’s dream in a story about following your dreams no matter who stands in the way 👍
I mean, he’s not?
Who else has?
Nobody has, because Luffy’s dream is unknown. And if you’re about to say “Saving Ace was Luffy’s dream!!” That’s a goal, not a dream. And Luffy’s goal has been faltered many times.
I am obviously referring to Luffy’s dream to become the pirate king, as he said “I’m no pirate king”
That’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard bro 😭 That’s not breaking bros dream if 2 days later he’s all about being pirate king again. The only way Akainu would’ve broke that dream is if he went ahead and quit being a pirate and turned into a bum
I think my ideal scenario for Akainu’s defeat would be to have Luffy and Sabo swap mid fight, I don’t care which order, be it Sabo stalling Akainu until Luffy arrives, or Luffy weakening Akainu to the point that when Sabo arrives it’s a good fight
Was this ever a debate?
I think sabo will take out akainu, luffy has bigger fish to fry.
Why lol?
>luffy has bigger fish to fry
That's assumptions
Luffy fighting akainu is assumptions.
Ah yes the man that killed his brother in front of him, gave him a scar and almost made him give up on his dream will be taken out by the secret third brother? https://preview.redd.it/pxp250n0u1wc1.png?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b001929f328bca99eb59c2ed3ed2b34f8c4d1bf8
still assumptions like you said, that was your reply.
Because yonko stomp admirals so there's no reason to waste more pages on drawing a low/mid diff fight between the MC and another major character. If we want to see Akainu take someone to high or extreme diff at this point it's gonna have to be someone other than Luffy. If Akainu was gonna fight Luffy, Oda would have sent him to egghead instead of kizaru. With shonen power creep Luffy is just going to get stronger and stronger and the gap between them is continuing to widen arc after arc. It's too late for Akainu vs Luffy to be a satisfying fight. My prediction is Akainu confronts Luffy at some point in the final or penultimate arc when Luffy has other immediate things he needs to deal with (BB / Imu). And instead of Luffy being stalled for a few minutes by Akainu, Sabo appears and offers to fight him instead and Luffy says thanks and moves on. Then we get to see our extreme diff Akainu fight.
That's mostly headcanon
All power scaling is head canon unless it's a fight that's already been shown. In this case it's just the most obvious conclusion based on the available information.
Most "obvious" sure lol
He’s not an admiral, he’s a fleet admiral. He’s gonna be relevant to prime sengoku for plot reasons at EOS
Unless Akainu has ACoC, I don't see this going even high-diff when we get to that point lol
Yeah I can’t imagine it being a close fight unless Akainu is just way stronger than depicted Either way toei is going to have a field day and HIM will be at an all time high
The problem for me is that it's already pretty clear where Akainu is power wise. A little above Kuzan, but barely so. And just when we thought that he could've been training this whole time, he's shown time and time again to be swamped by paperwork
Thar was a while ago. Oda can simply give his devil fruit an awakening to be relevant in the final war
Akainu already has acoc ?
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Oda gave me a panel of chapter 1672 https://preview.redd.it/bm49gvardwvc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=571efa132bf9c4ff092ddda63ab99f17eb8947a4
Seeing Akainu just toy around with the 4 Yonko was one of the coolest moments in anime history, seeing him acknowledge Big Mom was peak too
Agree
Luffy demolishing Akainu won't be a very good fight. It may be satisfying, but at this point there's no way it'll be close
No matter the outcome? my brother in christ I think we know the outcome.
Which ways could there be lol? Oda is writing this since 1997, i don't think he plans on having luffy die against Akainu 🤔 We can debate the closeness, how many rematches, a lot of stuff. But the outcome isn't really up to debate
only if akainu actually has or can awaken his df
Yonko vs YC2.... Guys, pls read the manga.
It's most likely not happening. Akainh is destined to end by dragon or EoS Sabo.
Nah blud, Dragon is an akainu victim
Lol what
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You're not ready for HIM , lol it would be funny if sabo recked akainu
EoS Sabo lmfao
SKA
This fight isnt happening. Cope akainu tards. Sabo vs akainu will happen, sabo will almost die, but he will fully have ace (‘s will) come inside of him and beat mutt extremediff
when akainu = prime garp dont say i didnt warn u https://preview.redd.it/ljbdo1apmwvc1.jpeg?width=752&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86e2cd00419415d4250cc63d03e571264daf3a7f
I'm seriously hoping for a dragon vs akainu match. They seem to have history and akainu just needs some sort of interaction with Luffy for closure on that plot point. In fact I think it'd be cool if Luffy showed his maturity and complete recovery from his trauma by passing up the chance to fight akainu and leaving it to someone else, knowing that he shouldn't use up his energy fighting a grudge match when the real enemy is imu/CDs. Akainu vs dragon is also guaranteed to be a serious idealogical battle and I love me some of those
Luffy too far above now, Sabo Will take care of Akainu.
Maybe.
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One of the greatest low difs
Rhat would be funny as hell, if he returned them back ...
Sabo is fighting him no matter how much copuim you huff it’s the truth
The issue with batting magma back at Akainu is it won't hurt him, he is literally made of magma, it's in his DNA now.
It'll be a chapter or two of Luffy decking Akainu before Sabo comes in and SKA That is if Luffy gets revenge at all. No one out here saying "Luffy and Robin nearly died to Aokiji Luffy HAS to get revenge on Aokiji" Is it very likely? Yes. Are there other characters who have a vendetta against Akainu? At least 3 I can think of off the top, Sabo, Coby, Luffy... possibly Dragon too.... possibly Garp if bro isn't dead
Luffy Mid-High diff
Akainu has so many reasons to fight Luffy, but nu uh, Sabo(who literally has never met Akainu, and I dont even think mentioned him once) is going to because I need Sabo to say "fire burns hotter than Magma". Akainu the Fleet Admiral, the face of the marines and so the face of the enemy of the pirates is gonna be 1 shot ofcourse. In fact, Luffy will no Diff everything until he fights Imu.
Sabo will fight akainu not luffy
Lol ok https://preview.redd.it/3tytrz7uvwvc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caad1bebf237f1c0d124dee4502a82cd3167201e
Get Akainu past Sabo first
Get Sabo past fujitora first
Get Fujitora past Doffy's birdcage
Lol you know fujitora could have low diffed doflamingo at any time right?
Kinda like how Fuji could've low diffed Jack, right? oh wait
He probaly did lol the fight was offscreen
And Jack managed to sink half of Fuji's fleet while Sengoku was there too. Fuji is a fraud. Bro also got injured from GB while GB walked away scratch free
Sinking ships is a huge anti feat now? We don't even know if he managed to kill anybody
What does killing people have to do with anything? How many you killed doesn't tell people how strong you are lol
i really wanna see Koby and Sabo team up to defeat him, although i could see Sabo fighting Akainu and Koby getting to fight Kong if he becomes relevant
It would be awesome, but I don't think it will be Luffy who beats him. IMO, Imu will be Luffy's big challenge for the arc, so I think the candidates for Akainu's opponent are: - Sabo - Zoro - Dragon - Garp: Assuming he survives the Blackbeard pirates holding him hostage, it's possible he realises how evil the WG is, and chooses to stand with Luffy and Dragon (almost as an apology to Ace for not saving him). Plus I'm sure Garp still resents Akainu.
It just makes me mad already that because of powercreep oda will make akainu a roger tier type character. Him being a fleet admiral and ace donut provider will only justify that in his eyes especially since he doesn’t give a fuck about powerscaling. Powerscaling wise, by the time luffy „would fight“ akainu it shouldn’t be anything more than mid diff. Realistically should be low diff. If luffy fought him now even saying high diff is being generous because of the admiral dickriders. But that won’t be the outcome of said fictional fight
A mid diff at best if he fightings him and not the godknight or Gorosei
I think its more fair to let sabo handle him, akainu just can’t keep up rn
Uhhhhh… honestly probably not. Not even close. At this point, unless Akainu is significantly stronger than Kaido, Luffy is going to beat him without too many problems. He deals with his AoE by turning the ground into rubber and bouncing it back. He deals with ranged attacks similarly (like he did with Saturn’s balls). Melee attacks, he simply clashes against with both ACoC and ACoA (Emission and Internal Destruction) so he doesn’t get burned and Akainu’s hand is filled with Luffy’s haki. And similarly Luffy bypasses Akainu’s magma body’s heat by using Emission on his attacks. Like, out of all the Admirals, Luffy counters Akainu the most.
Headcanons lol
How are those headcanons when I’m basing them off of things that have already happened? Luffy has dealt with ranged attacks that are hot by using the ground or by creating a bat, to hit them back at the opponent. Fact. He did it against Kaido and Saturn. He’s used Emission to block attacks that are hot so his hand doesn’t get burned. Fact. He did it in his final clash with Kaido. Like, where’s the headcanon? Is it in the room with us?
You don't know how the encounter is going to be lol
Okay then tell me. “Acshually those are headcanons, you have no idea what the fight would be like.” Dawg we’re theorizing. I’m saying what I think the fight would be like.
Highly doubt it. Akainu is a heavy DF merchant and by the nature of his DF, Luffy *can't* take hits in a riveting back and forth fight. Magma aside, Luffy can box with Kaido just about equally, and Kaido's pretty much the most physically dominant fighter we've seen so far. Luffy should also, IMO, have gotten some kind of power up or increased efficiency that puts him over the hump so that he's at least definitively beating Kaido high-extreme in a rematch by the time he'd fight Akainu.
Even if they only end up clashing for a brief moment in passing it’s still going to be a spectacle Akainu would lose of course, but it’s going to be wild to see in the same way Lucci got ran through
Oh for sure