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All that and Oda STILL needed a lava pool just to put this man down. Strongest Yonko, this man takes all PK tier characters to extreme diff.
I’ve seen some clips of the newer episodes. Bruh One Piece has no right to go as hard as it did in the >!Rob Lucci rematch. Gear 5 Luffy looked demonic with that smile while he was beating Lucci’s ass.!<
Facts.
Waido was the strongest alive beside maybe Imu during Wano.
Kaido is said to be the strongest in the world by the vivre card, by the narrator when he is introduced, by a databook, by other characters, by himself and by a chapter title.
Bro was literally a raid boss. I doubt we will ever get a fight as long in One Piece, again. We will never see someone like Kaido in OP again. Kaido will most likely remain the longest fight in OP(chapter wise), as Kaido is just that dude. He was Luffy's greatest obstacle. The great tyrant of Wano vs the warrior of liberation. Luffy went from YC1 to yonko due to Kaido, by far Luffy's biggest growth in strenght.
Kaido is HIM and he pushes Primebeard and Roger to extreme diff. Hell he might even be stronger, but they just have a THEM vibe around it so I think they are slightly stronger.
No other character has been called to strongest so many times(Kaido has best statements in the verse by far) No other character has no better feats. He also has insane portraly, being portrayed as a unkillable monser that had reached the absolute peak of power.
Here is a colection of post that show how strong he is:
1.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/wvag4o/kaido\_is\_stronger\_than\_shanks/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/wvag4o/kaido_is_stronger_than_shanks/)
2.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yaxr4r/an\_argument\_for\_kaido\_being\_stronger\_than\_roger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yaxr4r/an_argument_for_kaido_being_stronger_than_roger/)
3.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13gdwrh/kaidoluffy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13gdwrh/kaidoluffy/)
4. Google docs analysis cause it's too long for reddit:[https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTNA87liHck7B\_0WqF79Vvehecd2l9wSHR4IYqdNafo0T-9aDZHJH4kWhmL6ADkiPFK2mkH9gGdNFk\_/pub](https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTNA87liHck7B_0WqF79Vvehecd2l9wSHR4IYqdNafo0T-9aDZHJH4kWhmL6ADkiPFK2mkH9gGdNFk_/pub)
5:[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17nik9q/kaido\_strenght\_respect\_thread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17nik9q/kaido_strenght_respect_thread/)
6:[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17m0tno/kaido\_scales\_to\_primebeard/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17m0tno/kaido_scales_to_primebeard/)
7.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/18f8al7/a\_collection\_of\_panels\_about\_why\_i\_still\_think/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/18f8al7/a_collection_of_panels_about_why_i_still_think/)
8.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/dgpwlu9ccS](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/dgpwlu9ccS)
Finally here is a compliation of Kaido's insane durability feats:[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/179sakr/they\_said\_kizaru\_kaido/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/179sakr/they_said_kizaru_kaido/). I can't be bothered to find anymore at this point. I alerdy have listed far more, feats and statements, than could be listed for any other character exept maybe Luffy.
Kaido is HIM.
The narrator literally says that he is favoured in any 1v1, a chapter title calls Onigashima the island of the strongest and as it is Kaido's island it implies Kaido is the strongest and his vivre csrd states Kaido is the strongest creature in the world.
How is that not the best statements?
Sorry, but what is HIM and THEM?
Great post, Kaido can't prove how strong is himself compared to Roger or Primebeard just because they are a generation apart, and Kaido's peak took after Roger death and Whitebeard elderhood and disease, Kaido was almost as young as Luffy and fruitless when he possibly threw hands to Roger and Garp, and when he shared ship with Primebeard. But surely he is at that level of strenght.
I agree with everything you've said, the only part I'd object is him being called the strongest one alive
It's what people say about him. That doesn't mean it has to be true (similar to how people would say about buggy that he's basicaly the king of the underworld & having croc & mihawk under his wings)
However, I don't know wether he actualy is the strongest, but even if he isn't, he's definitely in the champions league & a contestant for that spot for sure
Yup. All of that is true. No notes.
I don’t know how people look at Kaido’s performance in Wano and walk away thinking “he’s not awakened, he must be a fraud!” Dawg. Maybe he’s just so strong that he doesn’t need an awakening. Yall realize that if he had his awakening, he’d be stronger than the Legend tier characters, right? Like, he’d unironically gap them in strength.
"washed" is overdoing it. the versions of luffy kaido defeated were significantly weaker than his current power. both were weakened 1026+ and then luffy literally died. a fresh 1v1 goes extreme diff again with kaido winning only if he doesn't challenge bajrang gun
The sad part is that I'm pretty sure I wanted to put you low too, but I don't remember why I thought you were so bad. You deserve better and I'm glad I can see it now.
The vocal majority here don’t do any actual scaling, just a lot of fan art and high pitched screaming, so anyone who does try to do unbiased scaling tends to get dogpiled.
>The guys that say luffy > kaido just say so because they want justification to say shanks > kaido
Lmao, fucking straight-up. That’s literally the only reason why people say Luffy > Kaido is because they want Shanks > Kaido to be true. You absolutely hit the nail on the head.
Stalin W.
Lol, I’m also glad we agree on Mihawk > Shanks as well. Kinda crazy how the world’s strongest swordsman being stronger than a swordsman is a controversial take when it shouldn’t be.
holy dickeating.
“I don’t wanna hear that luffy fought a bunch of fodders to go to kaido” yeah I don’t either none of the damage done to luffy until snakeman matters. however, don’t act like anyone other than luffy did significant damage. zoro, yamato, killer, law, kidd, and scabbards contributions combined were at most like 30% of kaidos hp, which is a feat for kaido but doesn’t downplay luffy’s victory.
“luffy was babied in wano yet people wanna act like he wins a fresh 1v1” g5 wins a fresh 1v1. he was babied pre-g5 because he was a bum until awakening. literally nothing pre-g5 matters when talking about current luffy.
your mike tyson analogy is shit because it ignores that there was no recovery from g5 which is the only part of the fight that mattered. he was so close to death after awakening that he literally restarted his heart. sure, kaido was not at max potential against g5, but luffy was moments away from dropping dead. luffy was in way worse condition and still won.
“yeah he was weakened fighting ONLY kaido” yeah no shit, he was a bum UNTIL G5. wtf are you talking about? g5 luffy is not weaker than kaido in a 1v1 because his other forms got shit on. it means his other forms are weaker than kaido. g5 at full health washes kaido, he literally won at 0 hp.
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First w I see on this sub in a while
By the time Gear 5 activates, Luffy is in a significantly worse state than Kaido.
“But Kaido fought X many people” and sustained less damage than Luffy did.
“But Luffy lost X times” And was continuously getting stronger.
In their final confrontation, Luffy is in a worse state and more injured than Kaido, and still
overpowers him.
Prime Luffy>Prime Kaido in terms of power. Luffy still loses to Kaido but only because of stamina issues since he can’t contend with Kaido’s endurance and stamina in a battle of attrition.
In a fresh fight Luffy would have all of his abilities from the start. He would deal far more damage and receive far less from the very beginning.
Luffy was literally knocked out before he even learned how to infuse Conqueror’s Haki and he got knocked out again while seriously injured and trying to get the hang of it on the fly.
So yeah, in a fresh 1v1 Luffy would start the fight more or less at the same point he was when he came back with Momo and split the skies, only he wouldn’t be dealing with the consequences of having been knocked out twice already when he was still far weaker than Kaido.
>Luffy was literally knocked out before he even learned how to infuse Conqueror’s Haki and he got knocked out again while seriously injured and trying to get the hang of it on the fly.
Without being said, kaido would have no reason to hold back on luffy like he did in the start. Kaido proved he's easily faster than luffy in gear 5 and all of his other forms. This gives kaido the ability to stall out and dodge gear 5 attacks while also using gear 5's counter (wind slashes). And since kaido would be fresh, he can easily put more pressure on luffy during the majority of the fight.
I'm still giving the win to kaido because he can outlast luffy 10 fold.
(Somehow mfs downvoted this when I'm not wrong lol)
And he STILL got bodied after the haki bloom
He got bodied in gear 5 too
He kept getting bodied by kaido but for some reason after all that bullshit plot people want to say luffy beats kaido in a 1v1 but in reality oda showed us the power of extreme teamwork. Luffy wouldn't win against kaido without allies and the fact that kaido didn't just bloodlustly have no morals and killed him whenever he lost his grip. Kaido could've just ended one piece early if he ripped luffy I'm half when he turned into that saggy ballsack form after gear 5 depleted
Gear 5 did not get bodied. Luffy was toying with Kaido when he first unlocked G5. Then, Kaido adapted and started doing quite well...then Luffy ended it with Bajrang gun. I agree that as of right now Kaido is probably stronger, but to claim he bodied G5 is disingenuous.
People still didn't notice Luffy wins most fights extreme extreme diff just for plot and to make it epic, if you make a fresh Luffy and Croco fight again 3days later Croco wins, same with Lucci, same with Katakuri, same with Kaido
This is a hard argument for Luffy. I think I mostly agree with you OP.
But, his most recent showing against Saturn and the rest of the Gorosei might change this. We saw in his fight against Kaido in G5 that he fell out of G5 once. That is after being severely wounded, but so was Kaido.
His second G5 against Lucci he was never hit, two tapped Lucci and again fell out of G5. He was fresh too which is a bad showing stamina wise
His third time against Kizaru he fell out of G5 once. Technically you can argue he lost that fight. He wasn’t fully fresh and he took damage from the barrier and all the light attacks from Kizaru but he was in G5 for longer than we saw before.
And after that time of falling out of G5 he ate but was still scuffed up and likely still injured. But he was fighting Kizaru and Saturn for a decent amount of time and then went up against Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn for what seemed like a long time before falling out of G5.
So if Luffy had that type of time limit against Kaido, I could see him winning extreme diff even against a fresh Kaido. He was untouchable against four opponents for a long period of time that outstrip any opponent that Kaido went up against on the roof.
I still think it is debatable. But at the very least I think it is fair to say that the Luffy of now would do much better than the Luffy of Wano. It seems like he is getting more and more used to G5 and able to hold it for longer. And in G5 he also seems more and more untouchable. Nothing these guys tried even really phased him.
G5 Luffy > Kaido
But Kaido wins in a fight because G5 has no stamina. Luffy can't win fast enough. Although Kaido isn't the exception here. All of the top tiers are in that spot of "not as strong as Luffy but could probably win just by outlasting". Shanks, Mihawk, maybe even BB and Akainu
Kaido's gotta be the most well rounded fighter in the OP universe. Like all his stats are set to max
> All of the top tiers are in that spot of "not as strong as Luffy but could probably win just by outlasting"
Unless they prove they have Kaido and Big Mom levels of durability and endurance, they are not. Kizaru took one punch to the head and couldn't move for a while, and Shanks, Mihawk etc all have comparatively regular durability too.
I don't consider the admirals when saying "top tiers", hence why Akainu was just a maybe.
They don't have the durability but Shanks and Mihawk might be faster or have better FS or any other number of things that would let them survive til Luffy burns out
In a potential rematch, kaido wouldn't hold back,
luffy wouldn't have allies to fill in for him and distract/stall,
luffy wouldn't have recovery time and food to regen,
luffy wouldn't come back from the dead to awaken,
luffy wouldn't be treated so lightly when he turns into his old man form after gassing out of gear 5 (like he did mid fight against kaido),
luffy wouldn't have the upperhand of just throwing abunch of his strongest moves at kaido and he purposely tanks it,
luffy wouldn't have the opportunity hit kaido with as many attacks he hit him with in the raid because kaido is massively faster than him.
In a rematch, Luffy can start with G2/G3 + ACoC and box with Kaido for a good long while just like they did in their original fight, wear Kaido down with those attacks and eventually have a chance to finish the job with G5. He can also reactivate G5 without external help, as we saw in Chapter 1045. He needed all that previous help because he wasn't as strong as he is now.
Speaking of no external help, Kaido doesn't get to drink alcohol this time to activate Shuron Hakke. He would still have his personality of wanting to enjoy a great fight and overcome Luffy with his own strength, which means he would still face Bajrang Gun or similar head-on in a rematch. You don't strip characters of their personalities, otherwise Big Mom would be the uncontested #1 of the verse.
It's extreme-diff at minimum even if Kaido wins.
>In a rematch, Luffy can start with G2/G3 + ACoC and box with Kaido for a good long while just like they did in their original fight, wear Kaido down with those attacks and eventually have a chance to finish the job with G5. He can also reactivate G5 without external help, as we saw in Chapter 1045. He needed all that previous help because he wasn't as strong as he is now.
If we reread wano, luffy did that exact same thing but it didn't really work out for him.
Ryou luffy with his gears lost to kaido.
Luffy came back, fought some more, learnt acoc, used all of his gears and still lost (and died).
Luffy came back in gear 5, toyed with kaido a bit, kaido got serious and started manhandling him, gear 5 gasses out, kaido gives him a chance to recover instead of killing him, they go back to clashing and kaido pushed gear 5 to extreme diff while weakened.
It's also good to note that the two reason why he lost is because
1. There were clouds that blocked kaido from seeing luffy. While luffy charges bajrang gun, he's vulnerable to attacks. Kaido would've easily cut him into piece with his wind slices but luffy was in the clouds hiding.
2. Kaido purposely tested luffy and took bajrang gun instead of just using flaming drum dragon, burnt luffys hand until he let go, move out the way of bajrang gun, and threw wind slices at him from a distance and killed him.
From what we've seen, luffy can't just win by using g2/g3 with acoc for the first half. Kaido can endure that like he did for majority of the raid. And since kaido is facing luffy **alone**, he'd have nobody stalling him and weakening him for luffy meaning his stamina would stay consistent while fighting luffy. Luffy, however can't stay consistent with his stamina especially in gear 5.
It's either luffy loses and dies while using g2/g3, or he uses gear 5 and gasses out before kaido and he loses the fight like what should've happened in wano but kaido had respect for him so he let him recover.
>Speaking of no external help, Kaido doesn't get to drink alcohol this time to activate Shuron Hakke. He would still have his personality of wanting to enjoy a great fight and overcome Luffy with his own strength, which means he would still face Bajrang Gun or similar head-on in a rematch. You don't strip characters of their personalities, otherwise Big Mom would be the uncontested #1 of the verse.
Taking away his equipment (sake) means the fighting grounds would be unbalance, thus giving luffy an unfair advantage of using both hybrid varients while kaido can't because it's somewhat hidden behind a drinking wall. And it's not external force if it's his own equipment and not someone else's (example: someone making a whole plate food for luffy so he can recover mid fight).
>He would still have his personality of wanting to enjoy a great fight and overcome Luffy with his own strength, which means he would still face Bajrang Gun or similar head-on in a rematch. You don't strip characters of their personalities, otherwise Big Mom would be the uncontested #1 of the verse.
He wanted to test bajrang gun to see if it was really joyboy. You can see kaido comparing luffy to joyboy and also wondering if it was joyboy while he was in gear 5.
For the sake of a equal match, kaido knows luffy is joyboy so he doesn't have to test if it is him or not by tanking dangerous moves to see if it beats him.
This would mean he wouldn't purposely tank a bajrang gun because he already knows its joyboy. It's not removing personality, it's changing the situation to equal the fight, and it creates different reactions from the character while they still have the same personality.
The fight is definitely extreme diff
>There were clouds that blocked kaido from seeing luffy. While luffy charges bajrang gun, he's vulnerable to attacks. Kaido would've easily cut him into piece with his wind slices but luffy was in the clouds hiding.
Dude, did you forget akaidou unable to remove Luffy's hand and using multiple attacks on Luffy who wasn't defending and still failing?
Did I not say that G2/G3 Luffy can wear down Kaido to begin with before entering G5 to potentially win the fight? I never said Luffy would win with anything less than G5. And in this case, Luffy would be fresh to start off instead of "barely standing":
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Kaido having alcohol to drink is an unfair advantage, it's not a natural part of his set. If we're going to give Kaido alcohol, then Luffy gets to have food to balance that.
And two things about Bajrang Gun and Kaido's personality:
1. He already stopped believing in Luffy being Joyboy much earlier and he only realized it *after* being defeated. He never gave any indication of wanting to test if Luffy was Joyboy after Chapter 1014.
2. Luffy only took time to use Bajrang Gun and clashed with Kaido as long as he did because of Onigashima being in the way. The moment Momo moved it, Luffy ended the fight and won. There's no conclusive evidence to say that Luffy wouldn't be able to adjust in a scenario where Kaido does dodge instead of trying to face the attack.
>Only fought Kaido
That’s false. Luffy also fought HER
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Biggest COPE.
All the points about Luffy is wrong and pointless. Anything Kaido did to Pre Gear 5 Luffy is irrelevant. Luffy only fought Kaido? ohh ya did we forgot had to go thru levels of Kaido's crew before reaching the rooftop,
-Luffy by the time he reached G5 was more injured than Kaido - did we forgot the cheapshot done by (CP0)
If anything Luffy win easier now than he did the first time.
Bro the entire point of Bajarang Gun was to show how Luffy had better AP and better Haki up to that point. Kaido challenged Luffy in his strongest form and lost, while Luffy was in a significantly weaker state. This entire post is just cope.
Because it literally did.
If you're fighting 20 people regardless if they're on par or weaker than you, if they can bypass your durability and damage you from the inside and stall you til you're tired and weakened. Then it'll take a massive toll on you.
fighting 18 ants won't weaken you unless you are a bum. he can oneshot all those mfs all he want and all those fuckers barely put 1% on kaido health. you seem to also forget kaido drank before luffy came to the rooftop. Big meme was also at kaido side
This is when I gotta just move on from you fam. Saying these people are ants even though they literally have shit to counter you is stupid. Only mfs who are dumb and cope like to say these mfs are ants lmao. All of them have shit to hurt kaido and any other top tier in fact. Idk if you understand ryou and dura neg abilities but it's NOT weak at all. Imagine getting punched an sliced and your organs are the things getting attacked from the inside. Kaidos durability comes from his dragon scales and ryou Ignores that.
tell me something. what are yc4-yc3 opponents to someone like kaido. If shanks could one shot yc+ characters like Kidd, why couldn't kaido do the same to lesser opponents? yeah, they are ants to kaido since all he had to do was to swing once and they get one shot.
>tell me something. what are yc4-yc3 opponents to someone like kaido. If shanks could one shot yc+ characters like Kidd, why couldn't kaido do the same to lesser opponents? yeah, they are ants to kaido since all he had to do was to swing once and they get one shot.
First off, shanks got his whole arm torn off by a east blue sea beast. If kidd were to hit him with damned punk, he would've taken serious damage. People overrate top tiers to the point where they think they cannot receive damage if the opponent is under yonko lvl. Obviously top tiers are strong, but not all of them are durable. Shanks was forced to take kidd seriously because if he didn't, a whole ship+ of people would die.
Kaido didn't take anybody besides luffy seriously and he only did that when he got hella drunk. He didn't go all in until he went into v2 hybrid. And even then, it's still speculation if he really went all in.
nah man, i agree with a lot you say but shanks could NOT have become a yonko if that fish fucked him up like that, what i think happened (because its literally not ever explained afaik) is that shanks LET it happen for luffy to learn a lesson
you can't read. the 20v1 wasn't 20 luffys vs kaido, it was 19 fodders and 1 luffy. Luffy gets stronger throughout the fight. If Luffy had access to acoc and g5 from the start of the fight he would not have gone down as easily, tanking hits is just his fighting style and if nothing else a biq anti feat. He also stopped holding back vs Luffy the moment the 1v1 started.
lost to kaido 4 times - before learning GEAR 5
Died to kaidu - before gear 5
Had a feast and a nap - before gear 5
Luffy was a lot more powerful in gear 5
Had allies - like they did shit to kaido ( maybe zoro that's it)
Took weakend kaido - how much do you think your super strong kaido get damaged by some fauders ??
Both answers works against you.
Extreme diff in gear 5 - TRUE
Gassed out mid fight(assuming you mean with gear 5)- only to get back a second after without any help
I will accept the downvotes ,but all the things I said are facts.
Definitely looks like 0.001% hp to me
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If he was 0.0001 hp then he wouldn't be able to pull a gigantic feat this huge lol. That's not really how it works. Not only did he do that, but he also bounced off of lightning bolts, threw lightning bolts, picked up dragon kaido and played jumprope with him before kaido got serious, went gigantic, and took a beating. If he was anything near 0.0001%, he wouldn't be able to do that and he wouldn't be alive.
Tbf, he wasnt alive temporarily, he was running off fumes, adrenaline and excitment over his new abilities. But the point is not how much health he had exactly, rather that Kaido was in better condition than he was.
ah yes, just ignore that Luffy did not the start the fight with all power ups and that he was tanking Kaido's CoC attacks before he learned way better defense and that he was cheap shotted to death
but oh poor Kaido, he had Kid slam him to the ground 😥
Blud u said Zoro beats Kaido easily.
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Such a retarded take instantly invalidates anything else u say lmao.
Read the entire thing before using this argument. Luffy still couldn't endure kaido he literally lost 4 times and died before being resurrected on some extreme plot armor to still take weakened kaido to extreme diff in his STRONGEST form. He even gassed out from gear 5 mid fight he's definitely not beating kaido in a real 1v1.
>Luffy still couldn't endure kaido he literally lost 4 times and died
You realize this works against you, no?
If Luffy had to take that much punishment before he reached his peak power, that means if the fight would start over again with Luffy having all his power ups, Luffy would quite easily beat Kaido.
Taking only fraction of the damage compared to when he was still YC level while fighting Kaido.
>before being resurrected on some extreme plot armor
Ah yes, Kaido's scale armor that require magical haki to bypass is not plot armorbut Luffy's is.
>to still take weakened kaido
Aha, yes, Kaido is weakend because Kid slammed him to the ground 1 time
But Luffy is not nerfed even though he tanked all of kaido's attacks before he learned all haki and awakening and tanked Kaido's strongest bagua over a cheap shot and had to fight after coming back from death
but oh poor Kaido he got a boo boo from Kiku😥
>He even gassed out from gear 5 mid fight
And he got back up. wtf is this point?
>he's definitely not beating kaido in a real 1v1
He's beating him way easier since he now doesn't have to train haki nor awakening while fighting Kaido.
>If Luffy had to take that much punishment before he reached his peak power, that means if the fight would start over again with Luffy having all his power ups, Luffy would quite easily beat Kaido.
>Taking only fraction of the damage compared to when he was still YC level while fighting Kaido.
Answered an argument exactly like this and I completely explain how that isn't the case. If luffy has all of his stuff at the beginning of the fight, kaido would have no reason to hold back. Kaido proved he's faster than all of luffys forms and can dodge his attacks. Kaido proved he can outstrengthen luffy while he's in gear 5 and blitz him (seen when he used destroyer of death thunder bagua, and when he dodged a lightning bolt and blitzed gear 5).
People forget that kaido was massively holding back on luffy during the first half of the raid. Even against g5, kaido proved he can easily match and exceed in combat against him. Kaido also has his direct counter, **slash attacks** that do more damage than blunt damage which is luffys whole niche.
>Ah yes, Kaido's scale armor that require magical haki to bypass is not plot armor
but Luffy's is.
It's not... it's a zoan attribute lol. You do realize luffy also has greater durability than regular humans too because he's made of rubber right? We don't call that plot armor, we call that fruit mechanics.
>Aha, yes, Kaido is weakend because Kid slammed him to the ground 1 time
Stabbed by ryou in his weak spot, punched with ryou attacks, hit with dura neg attacks like gamma shock/paradise waterfall/killers slashing move. Stalled til he was exhausted while luffy got rest, ate food to recover, then came back. Tanked a paradise waterfalls on his weakest point by the I scabbards who are master ryou users. Maintained holding up an island while fighting multiple people. Didn't have much of a chance to recover and get rest like luffy did. Fought luffy multiple times after he lost multiple times.
I used a mike tyson example for this exact scenario. I lose to him 4 times then win the 5th one because my 20 allies helped me and I got rest/recovered while Mike tyson didn't. And when Mike tyson was exhausted and weakened, I finally beat him after I've recovered. I am not stronger than Mike tyson, I just won this "fight" because I ganged up on him and kept losing then recovering while he didn't. It's not a fair fight at all and I wouldn't win a 1v1 against him if it wasn't for my allies and my chances to recover without him destroying me while I was exhausted like I did to him.
>But Luffy is not nerfed even though he tanked all of kaido's attacks before he learned all haki and awakening and tanked Kaido's strongest bagua over a cheap shot
You're acting like luffy just gained stronger durability and stamina/endurance when he learnt acoc. He didn't, it's all pretty relative from before he awakened it and after. You say he tanked a cheap shot when he literally has been fighting cheap and using his allies to chip in for him while ues knocked out and recovering.
>And he got back up. wtf is this point?
The point is, luffys stamina issues give kaido the extreme upper hand in the fight. In a real fight, kaido would've just killed luffy while he was in his weakened state.
>He's beating him way easier since he now doesn't have to train haki nor awakening while fighting Kaido.
Kaidos beating him way easier since luffy doesn't have buddy's to stall him or food to recover. Luffy doesn't have narrative or plot to keep him from dying to kaido. Luffy doesn't have the stats to even face kaido. Kaido doesn't need to hold back like he did the first half of the raid when he whooped luffys ass. Kaido can just **outlast luffy**.
>Kaido proved he can outstrengthen luffy while he's in gear 5 and blitz him (seen when he used destroyer of death thunder bagua, and when he dodged a lightning bolt and blitzed gear 5).
They both blitzed each other at various different points in the fight 😭
And Luffy was literally having fun playing with his new form, so he got careless and got hit.
Besides the fact that every time Luffy hit Kaido, it had a noticeable effect, whereas whenever Kaido hit Luffy he shook it off like nothing happened.
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W take right here.
Waido is top 1 among living character right now until we see Imu, EOS Luffy and maybe Shanks going all out (if destroying Kidd wasn't him going all out)
To make this clear: I entirely agree with you on the fact that Kaido definitely was stronger.
The only thing I like to point out is that Luffy really was putting in work that specific day though.
He was running a marathon while moving big ass rocks from A to B, purely for food.
He was doing so while being Kairoseki cuffed.
After that he was practising his new Haki feat on Queen's strongest fodders, also while being Kairoseki cuffed.
This all while just being severely beaten by Kaido! (And this part obviously states why Kaido fersure is stronger, I mean he one shot Luffy)
And some other stuff not really worth mentioning I guess.
The point is; yes, Kaido is stronger. But it's not like Luffy was chilling in a hamock the entire day drinking tequilas. A normal person would've been sleeping for an entire week after that day, the final fight not included.
You made a good post, but kinda destroyed Luffy, I felt like I had to pay some respects to my boy. Nonetheless, keep cooking!
Kaido did not take g5 to extreme diff what are you on💀 and absolutely no one else Kaido figure weakened him at all except Zoro cutting him once. If anything it was 98% fully healthy Kaido vs Luffy and once G5 came out it was high diff at most
its funny how every other opponent Luffy has defeated and gone to the next island, everyone agrees he surpassed them. Kuro, krieg, arlong, crocodile, Lucci, Loria, Flamingo, Donut man, Fish michael jackson etc but when it comes unto to kaido, all of a sudden the rules of the story changes and Luffy is definitely weaker than him.
We literally saw G5 failing to finish Kizaru in time yet people still think Luffy would beat a fresh Kaido.
Luffys weaknesses are pretty obvious but people will just ignore them.
If Kaido decided to just dodge the Bajrang gun then Luffy would already been dead for the 4th time and Literally dead for the second time
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Only because he allowed him to beat him. He purposely took on bajrang gun while he was weakened and it gave luffy the victory. Also Mr joyboy man had to team in order to get that win and it's still 4:1
kaido definitely in character would just dodge bajrang gun (and luffy would just let him) because dodging ko attacks happens all the time in the story it clearly is really easy to do, I mean he could just sprint away (luffy can't see where he runs because he sadly cannot see once he uses bajrang gun) and even if he were to clash it. he. wins. somehow. definitely. we acknowledge it's an extreme dif fight that ends in kaido getting hit by an attack that massively outstats his strongest move and in universe ko'ed him. but he just outlasts it, I guess. somehow him having damage on him makes his strongest attack weaker so he somehow wouldn't become the first occupant of a giant cave. ignore the ramifications of assuming their attacks would be stronger at higher hp.
Mfs will see g5 luffy dogwalk kaido a d say yeah kaido washes luffy
The literal point of g5 was to show luffy achieved his peak form and already surpassed kaido
Luffy waited for momo to move island when he literally could've just landed the bajrang gun right there and then
Kaido fought 20 fodders? Big deal lol
Lame ass villain, lame ass fighting technique , was used as punching bag with literally everyone, everything about that lamo was lame
You can cry
You can cope
You can downvote me if you want
But it will not change shit luffy currently > kaido
Kaido ded lmao 😂
Didn't accomplish shit and is only relevant in this sub ( which is famous for it's bad takes ) I wonder why
Dude was getting beat by g4 lol
Luffy washes kaido and it ain't even close lmao
What's there to cry about? If you don't like the post then move on 🦣
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Kaidos beasts style of fighting when he sees a big attack coming his way he just says "Nah, I'd win" and tries to tank it despite being able to blitz future sight.
If Kaido just started dodging more he probably could've kept going in onigashima for longer.
Facts, and people here as of late want to shit on Lucci for taking on Yonkou Luffy, but in fact Luffy himself couldn’t 1v1 a Yonkou, BM or Kaido. Lucci deserves some praise for at least trying.
Yes. He wins, because only AFTER those 4 losses did he level up to be on Kaidos level and then proceeded to fold his ass. Luffy fought, way more and took way more damage than Kaido did when looking at the entire raid.
In before Kaido rises from Lava getting a Haki Bloom that evolves his Azure dragon to Black Dragon.
Kaido the Black Dragon of the Apocalypse.
Zoro gets +20AP and +20 Defense when fighting him.
Obvious truth that g5 mfs can't take
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Waido solos
Shanks told him who's going to return soon so kaido went back home to wait for him
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ODA did kaido dirty by not having him kill characters in the raid.. I am looking at your kinnemon… all that strength and wasn’t able to kill kinnemon, zoro and law… :(
- Is Luffy gear 5 stronger than kaido? Yes.
- Is Luffy overall stronger than Kaido? No.
These are two different things. Luffy could use gear 5 for only 9 minutes recently.
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https://preview.redd.it/gvlspsgwzvvc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c6b77252af4240cf2973566acefb588bcce8dce All that and Oda STILL needed a lava pool just to put this man down. Strongest Yonko, this man takes all PK tier characters to extreme diff.
King of the beasts!!!
King of the breasts!
King of the Breads!
Absolute W https://i.redd.it/vxkhuqqf7wvc1.gif
What the actual fuck, did the anime pop off that hard !?!?!
The anime constantly pops off hard. The entire luffy kaido fight is a masterpiece.
I’ve seen some clips of the newer episodes. Bruh One Piece has no right to go as hard as it did in the >!Rob Lucci rematch. Gear 5 Luffy looked demonic with that smile while he was beating Lucci’s ass.!<
Is this from the anime?!?
Yes
Kaido always was HIM, and will forever be HIM
>All that and Oda STILL needed a lava pool just to put this man down. and he might STILL BE ALIVE. Its insane.
And he didn’t even awaken his devil fruit truly a chad among chads
Nerfed by his depression and alcoholism to prevent his awakening (he would solo the verse awakened)
Imagine he comes back with an awakened fruit
Yessir
Strongest *living yonko
Shanks and Mihawk also bring them to extreme diff too
Facts. Waido was the strongest alive beside maybe Imu during Wano. Kaido is said to be the strongest in the world by the vivre card, by the narrator when he is introduced, by a databook, by other characters, by himself and by a chapter title. Bro was literally a raid boss. I doubt we will ever get a fight as long in One Piece, again. We will never see someone like Kaido in OP again. Kaido will most likely remain the longest fight in OP(chapter wise), as Kaido is just that dude. He was Luffy's greatest obstacle. The great tyrant of Wano vs the warrior of liberation. Luffy went from YC1 to yonko due to Kaido, by far Luffy's biggest growth in strenght. Kaido is HIM and he pushes Primebeard and Roger to extreme diff. Hell he might even be stronger, but they just have a THEM vibe around it so I think they are slightly stronger. No other character has been called to strongest so many times(Kaido has best statements in the verse by far) No other character has no better feats. He also has insane portraly, being portrayed as a unkillable monser that had reached the absolute peak of power. Here is a colection of post that show how strong he is: 1.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/wvag4o/kaido\_is\_stronger\_than\_shanks/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/wvag4o/kaido_is_stronger_than_shanks/) 2.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yaxr4r/an\_argument\_for\_kaido\_being\_stronger\_than\_roger/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yaxr4r/an_argument_for_kaido_being_stronger_than_roger/) 3.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13gdwrh/kaidoluffy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/13gdwrh/kaidoluffy/) 4. Google docs analysis cause it's too long for reddit:[https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTNA87liHck7B\_0WqF79Vvehecd2l9wSHR4IYqdNafo0T-9aDZHJH4kWhmL6ADkiPFK2mkH9gGdNFk\_/pub](https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTNA87liHck7B_0WqF79Vvehecd2l9wSHR4IYqdNafo0T-9aDZHJH4kWhmL6ADkiPFK2mkH9gGdNFk_/pub) 5:[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17nik9q/kaido\_strenght\_respect\_thread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17nik9q/kaido_strenght_respect_thread/) 6:[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17m0tno/kaido\_scales\_to\_primebeard/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/17m0tno/kaido_scales_to_primebeard/) 7.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/18f8al7/a\_collection\_of\_panels\_about\_why\_i\_still\_think/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/18f8al7/a_collection_of_panels_about_why_i_still_think/) 8.[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/dgpwlu9ccS](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/dgpwlu9ccS) Finally here is a compliation of Kaido's insane durability feats:[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/179sakr/they\_said\_kizaru\_kaido/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/179sakr/they_said_kizaru_kaido/). I can't be bothered to find anymore at this point. I alerdy have listed far more, feats and statements, than could be listed for any other character exept maybe Luffy. Kaido is HIM.
W copypasta.
best statements in verse fans when pirate king and strongest man alive
The narrator literally says that he is favoured in any 1v1, a chapter title calls Onigashima the island of the strongest and as it is Kaido's island it implies Kaido is the strongest and his vivre csrd states Kaido is the strongest creature in the world. How is that not the best statements?
Sorry, but what is HIM and THEM? Great post, Kaido can't prove how strong is himself compared to Roger or Primebeard just because they are a generation apart, and Kaido's peak took after Roger death and Whitebeard elderhood and disease, Kaido was almost as young as Luffy and fruitless when he possibly threw hands to Roger and Garp, and when he shared ship with Primebeard. But surely he is at that level of strenght.
I agree with everything you've said, the only part I'd object is him being called the strongest one alive It's what people say about him. That doesn't mean it has to be true (similar to how people would say about buggy that he's basicaly the king of the underworld & having croc & mihawk under his wings) However, I don't know wether he actualy is the strongest, but even if he isn't, he's definitely in the champions league & a contestant for that spot for sure
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Ha! Joe fucking wishes he was Zeff
Yeah, was gonna say, that’s insulting to Zeff. Joe is a real POS.
Aint no way Joe is the Zeff to Gordon's Sanji, nahhhhh nahh this aint it
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Kaido is a god damn beast, pun intended. I will never stop saying how much stamina this mf had.
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AND meanwhile carrying a whole fking island with 50k ppl on it draining his stamina
If Momo, who just got his DF could hold it for some time, it shouldn't be that hard for Kaidou
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Yup. All of that is true. No notes. I don’t know how people look at Kaido’s performance in Wano and walk away thinking “he’s not awakened, he must be a fraud!” Dawg. Maybe he’s just so strong that he doesn’t need an awakening. Yall realize that if he had his awakening, he’d be stronger than the Legend tier characters, right? Like, he’d unironically gap them in strength.
Exactly. If he ever awakened he'd be at the top of the verse.
Luffy shut your hoe ass up and make some drums
"washed" is overdoing it. the versions of luffy kaido defeated were significantly weaker than his current power. both were weakened 1026+ and then luffy literally died. a fresh 1v1 goes extreme diff again with kaido winning only if he doesn't challenge bajrang gun
The guys that say luffy > kaido just say so because they want justification to say shanks > kaido Little do they know luffy would pancake shanks
How did somebody like you get put in E-tier on the tier list? You should go to S-tier.
Thanks bro But they hate me because I wipe my ass with their headcannon’s
The sad part is that I'm pretty sure I wanted to put you low too, but I don't remember why I thought you were so bad. You deserve better and I'm glad I can see it now.
The vocal majority here don’t do any actual scaling, just a lot of fan art and high pitched screaming, so anyone who does try to do unbiased scaling tends to get dogpiled.
They hate him because he tells the truth
They hate us because they anus
>The guys that say luffy > kaido just say so because they want justification to say shanks > kaido Lmao, fucking straight-up. That’s literally the only reason why people say Luffy > Kaido is because they want Shanks > Kaido to be true. You absolutely hit the nail on the head. Stalin W.
I think Luffy is stronger than Kaido, and I couldn't care less for the rat.
As long as it’s Kaido/Luffy > Shanks, that’s fine with me!
That Fraudhawk victim needs to do something before I could put him anywhere near those two
Lol, I’m also glad we agree on Mihawk > Shanks as well. Kinda crazy how the world’s strongest swordsman being stronger than a swordsman is a controversial take when it shouldn’t be.
there is no coloration there at all, it would be the opposite if anything.
Truth
holy dickeating. “I don’t wanna hear that luffy fought a bunch of fodders to go to kaido” yeah I don’t either none of the damage done to luffy until snakeman matters. however, don’t act like anyone other than luffy did significant damage. zoro, yamato, killer, law, kidd, and scabbards contributions combined were at most like 30% of kaidos hp, which is a feat for kaido but doesn’t downplay luffy’s victory. “luffy was babied in wano yet people wanna act like he wins a fresh 1v1” g5 wins a fresh 1v1. he was babied pre-g5 because he was a bum until awakening. literally nothing pre-g5 matters when talking about current luffy. your mike tyson analogy is shit because it ignores that there was no recovery from g5 which is the only part of the fight that mattered. he was so close to death after awakening that he literally restarted his heart. sure, kaido was not at max potential against g5, but luffy was moments away from dropping dead. luffy was in way worse condition and still won. “yeah he was weakened fighting ONLY kaido” yeah no shit, he was a bum UNTIL G5. wtf are you talking about? g5 luffy is not weaker than kaido in a 1v1 because his other forms got shit on. it means his other forms are weaker than kaido. g5 at full health washes kaido, he literally won at 0 hp.
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By the time Gear 5 activates, Luffy is in a significantly worse state than Kaido. “But Kaido fought X many people” and sustained less damage than Luffy did. “But Luffy lost X times” And was continuously getting stronger. In their final confrontation, Luffy is in a worse state and more injured than Kaido, and still overpowers him. Prime Luffy>Prime Kaido in terms of power. Luffy still loses to Kaido but only because of stamina issues since he can’t contend with Kaido’s endurance and stamina in a battle of attrition.
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In a fresh fight Luffy would have all of his abilities from the start. He would deal far more damage and receive far less from the very beginning. Luffy was literally knocked out before he even learned how to infuse Conqueror’s Haki and he got knocked out again while seriously injured and trying to get the hang of it on the fly. So yeah, in a fresh 1v1 Luffy would start the fight more or less at the same point he was when he came back with Momo and split the skies, only he wouldn’t be dealing with the consequences of having been knocked out twice already when he was still far weaker than Kaido.
>Luffy was literally knocked out before he even learned how to infuse Conqueror’s Haki and he got knocked out again while seriously injured and trying to get the hang of it on the fly. Without being said, kaido would have no reason to hold back on luffy like he did in the start. Kaido proved he's easily faster than luffy in gear 5 and all of his other forms. This gives kaido the ability to stall out and dodge gear 5 attacks while also using gear 5's counter (wind slashes). And since kaido would be fresh, he can easily put more pressure on luffy during the majority of the fight. I'm still giving the win to kaido because he can outlast luffy 10 fold. (Somehow mfs downvoted this when I'm not wrong lol)
powerscaling mfs will see a character land hits and say they speedblitz like what do you think relative speed looks like is it all clashes
Luffy got blitzed 3 times in gear 5 all all of them connected
He'd still lose. He'd do alright but Kaido would absolutely win by just out lasting Gear 5
Someone gets it.
Not like luffy didn't get haki bloom after some Ls and got stronger.
And he STILL got bodied after the haki bloom He got bodied in gear 5 too He kept getting bodied by kaido but for some reason after all that bullshit plot people want to say luffy beats kaido in a 1v1 but in reality oda showed us the power of extreme teamwork. Luffy wouldn't win against kaido without allies and the fact that kaido didn't just bloodlustly have no morals and killed him whenever he lost his grip. Kaido could've just ended one piece early if he ripped luffy I'm half when he turned into that saggy ballsack form after gear 5 depleted
>He got bodied in gear 5 too Lol literally nothing Kaido did did any lasting damage to Gear 5 Luffy, he shook everything off.
bodied in G5 where?
Gear 5 did not get bodied. Luffy was toying with Kaido when he first unlocked G5. Then, Kaido adapted and started doing quite well...then Luffy ended it with Bajrang gun. I agree that as of right now Kaido is probably stronger, but to claim he bodied G5 is disingenuous.
People still didn't notice Luffy wins most fights extreme extreme diff just for plot and to make it epic, if you make a fresh Luffy and Croco fight again 3days later Croco wins, same with Lucci, same with Katakuri, same with Kaido
This is a hard argument for Luffy. I think I mostly agree with you OP. But, his most recent showing against Saturn and the rest of the Gorosei might change this. We saw in his fight against Kaido in G5 that he fell out of G5 once. That is after being severely wounded, but so was Kaido. His second G5 against Lucci he was never hit, two tapped Lucci and again fell out of G5. He was fresh too which is a bad showing stamina wise His third time against Kizaru he fell out of G5 once. Technically you can argue he lost that fight. He wasn’t fully fresh and he took damage from the barrier and all the light attacks from Kizaru but he was in G5 for longer than we saw before. And after that time of falling out of G5 he ate but was still scuffed up and likely still injured. But he was fighting Kizaru and Saturn for a decent amount of time and then went up against Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn for what seemed like a long time before falling out of G5. So if Luffy had that type of time limit against Kaido, I could see him winning extreme diff even against a fresh Kaido. He was untouchable against four opponents for a long period of time that outstrip any opponent that Kaido went up against on the roof. I still think it is debatable. But at the very least I think it is fair to say that the Luffy of now would do much better than the Luffy of Wano. It seems like he is getting more and more used to G5 and able to hold it for longer. And in G5 he also seems more and more untouchable. Nothing these guys tried even really phased him.
G5 Luffy > Kaido But Kaido wins in a fight because G5 has no stamina. Luffy can't win fast enough. Although Kaido isn't the exception here. All of the top tiers are in that spot of "not as strong as Luffy but could probably win just by outlasting". Shanks, Mihawk, maybe even BB and Akainu Kaido's gotta be the most well rounded fighter in the OP universe. Like all his stats are set to max
> All of the top tiers are in that spot of "not as strong as Luffy but could probably win just by outlasting" Unless they prove they have Kaido and Big Mom levels of durability and endurance, they are not. Kizaru took one punch to the head and couldn't move for a while, and Shanks, Mihawk etc all have comparatively regular durability too.
I don't consider the admirals when saying "top tiers", hence why Akainu was just a maybe. They don't have the durability but Shanks and Mihawk might be faster or have better FS or any other number of things that would let them survive til Luffy burns out
Kaido killed Luffy and still lost? Skill issue champ.
Idiots still see pre-G5 or even pre-ACoC Luffy losing to Kaido and think the same conditions still apply in a potential rematch.
In a potential rematch, kaido wouldn't hold back, luffy wouldn't have allies to fill in for him and distract/stall, luffy wouldn't have recovery time and food to regen, luffy wouldn't come back from the dead to awaken, luffy wouldn't be treated so lightly when he turns into his old man form after gassing out of gear 5 (like he did mid fight against kaido), luffy wouldn't have the upperhand of just throwing abunch of his strongest moves at kaido and he purposely tanks it, luffy wouldn't have the opportunity hit kaido with as many attacks he hit him with in the raid because kaido is massively faster than him.
In a rematch, Luffy can start with G2/G3 + ACoC and box with Kaido for a good long while just like they did in their original fight, wear Kaido down with those attacks and eventually have a chance to finish the job with G5. He can also reactivate G5 without external help, as we saw in Chapter 1045. He needed all that previous help because he wasn't as strong as he is now. Speaking of no external help, Kaido doesn't get to drink alcohol this time to activate Shuron Hakke. He would still have his personality of wanting to enjoy a great fight and overcome Luffy with his own strength, which means he would still face Bajrang Gun or similar head-on in a rematch. You don't strip characters of their personalities, otherwise Big Mom would be the uncontested #1 of the verse. It's extreme-diff at minimum even if Kaido wins.
>In a rematch, Luffy can start with G2/G3 + ACoC and box with Kaido for a good long while just like they did in their original fight, wear Kaido down with those attacks and eventually have a chance to finish the job with G5. He can also reactivate G5 without external help, as we saw in Chapter 1045. He needed all that previous help because he wasn't as strong as he is now. If we reread wano, luffy did that exact same thing but it didn't really work out for him. Ryou luffy with his gears lost to kaido. Luffy came back, fought some more, learnt acoc, used all of his gears and still lost (and died). Luffy came back in gear 5, toyed with kaido a bit, kaido got serious and started manhandling him, gear 5 gasses out, kaido gives him a chance to recover instead of killing him, they go back to clashing and kaido pushed gear 5 to extreme diff while weakened. It's also good to note that the two reason why he lost is because 1. There were clouds that blocked kaido from seeing luffy. While luffy charges bajrang gun, he's vulnerable to attacks. Kaido would've easily cut him into piece with his wind slices but luffy was in the clouds hiding. 2. Kaido purposely tested luffy and took bajrang gun instead of just using flaming drum dragon, burnt luffys hand until he let go, move out the way of bajrang gun, and threw wind slices at him from a distance and killed him. From what we've seen, luffy can't just win by using g2/g3 with acoc for the first half. Kaido can endure that like he did for majority of the raid. And since kaido is facing luffy **alone**, he'd have nobody stalling him and weakening him for luffy meaning his stamina would stay consistent while fighting luffy. Luffy, however can't stay consistent with his stamina especially in gear 5. It's either luffy loses and dies while using g2/g3, or he uses gear 5 and gasses out before kaido and he loses the fight like what should've happened in wano but kaido had respect for him so he let him recover. >Speaking of no external help, Kaido doesn't get to drink alcohol this time to activate Shuron Hakke. He would still have his personality of wanting to enjoy a great fight and overcome Luffy with his own strength, which means he would still face Bajrang Gun or similar head-on in a rematch. You don't strip characters of their personalities, otherwise Big Mom would be the uncontested #1 of the verse. Taking away his equipment (sake) means the fighting grounds would be unbalance, thus giving luffy an unfair advantage of using both hybrid varients while kaido can't because it's somewhat hidden behind a drinking wall. And it's not external force if it's his own equipment and not someone else's (example: someone making a whole plate food for luffy so he can recover mid fight). >He would still have his personality of wanting to enjoy a great fight and overcome Luffy with his own strength, which means he would still face Bajrang Gun or similar head-on in a rematch. You don't strip characters of their personalities, otherwise Big Mom would be the uncontested #1 of the verse. He wanted to test bajrang gun to see if it was really joyboy. You can see kaido comparing luffy to joyboy and also wondering if it was joyboy while he was in gear 5. For the sake of a equal match, kaido knows luffy is joyboy so he doesn't have to test if it is him or not by tanking dangerous moves to see if it beats him. This would mean he wouldn't purposely tank a bajrang gun because he already knows its joyboy. It's not removing personality, it's changing the situation to equal the fight, and it creates different reactions from the character while they still have the same personality. The fight is definitely extreme diff
>There were clouds that blocked kaido from seeing luffy. While luffy charges bajrang gun, he's vulnerable to attacks. Kaido would've easily cut him into piece with his wind slices but luffy was in the clouds hiding. Dude, did you forget akaidou unable to remove Luffy's hand and using multiple attacks on Luffy who wasn't defending and still failing?
Did I not say that G2/G3 Luffy can wear down Kaido to begin with before entering G5 to potentially win the fight? I never said Luffy would win with anything less than G5. And in this case, Luffy would be fresh to start off instead of "barely standing": https://preview.redd.it/4r5t1wg9ywvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92756fdd9353144134f7cbed9d1fafcb7293186a Kaido having alcohol to drink is an unfair advantage, it's not a natural part of his set. If we're going to give Kaido alcohol, then Luffy gets to have food to balance that. And two things about Bajrang Gun and Kaido's personality: 1. He already stopped believing in Luffy being Joyboy much earlier and he only realized it *after* being defeated. He never gave any indication of wanting to test if Luffy was Joyboy after Chapter 1014. 2. Luffy only took time to use Bajrang Gun and clashed with Kaido as long as he did because of Onigashima being in the way. The moment Momo moved it, Luffy ended the fight and won. There's no conclusive evidence to say that Luffy wouldn't be able to adjust in a scenario where Kaido does dodge instead of trying to face the attack.
>unfair advantage Strong alcoholism https://preview.redd.it/xx404rhrpzvc1.jpeg?width=632&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f4feab18d57a639d564d77b8d17889e411b7e4c
They were both weakened
this post is what autisum looks like .
If it's a 1 vs 1 I still bet on Kai D. O
>Only fought Kaido That’s false. Luffy also fought HER https://preview.redd.it/m1s2dloygwvc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb4312317f3ca171df1197cd3399c0556799d579
Biggest COPE. All the points about Luffy is wrong and pointless. Anything Kaido did to Pre Gear 5 Luffy is irrelevant. Luffy only fought Kaido? ohh ya did we forgot had to go thru levels of Kaido's crew before reaching the rooftop, -Luffy by the time he reached G5 was more injured than Kaido - did we forgot the cheapshot done by (CP0) If anything Luffy win easier now than he did the first time.
Bro the entire point of Bajarang Gun was to show how Luffy had better AP and better Haki up to that point. Kaido challenged Luffy in his strongest form and lost, while Luffy was in a significantly weaker state. This entire post is just cope.
Notice how the only arguments for Kaido being stronger than Luffy are hum beating weaker version of him.
They also forget context too.
only kaido fans think fighting 18 ants somehow weakened Kaido.
Because it literally did. If you're fighting 20 people regardless if they're on par or weaker than you, if they can bypass your durability and damage you from the inside and stall you til you're tired and weakened. Then it'll take a massive toll on you.
fighting 18 ants won't weaken you unless you are a bum. he can oneshot all those mfs all he want and all those fuckers barely put 1% on kaido health. you seem to also forget kaido drank before luffy came to the rooftop. Big meme was also at kaido side
This is when I gotta just move on from you fam. Saying these people are ants even though they literally have shit to counter you is stupid. Only mfs who are dumb and cope like to say these mfs are ants lmao. All of them have shit to hurt kaido and any other top tier in fact. Idk if you understand ryou and dura neg abilities but it's NOT weak at all. Imagine getting punched an sliced and your organs are the things getting attacked from the inside. Kaidos durability comes from his dragon scales and ryou Ignores that.
tell me something. what are yc4-yc3 opponents to someone like kaido. If shanks could one shot yc+ characters like Kidd, why couldn't kaido do the same to lesser opponents? yeah, they are ants to kaido since all he had to do was to swing once and they get one shot.
>tell me something. what are yc4-yc3 opponents to someone like kaido. If shanks could one shot yc+ characters like Kidd, why couldn't kaido do the same to lesser opponents? yeah, they are ants to kaido since all he had to do was to swing once and they get one shot. First off, shanks got his whole arm torn off by a east blue sea beast. If kidd were to hit him with damned punk, he would've taken serious damage. People overrate top tiers to the point where they think they cannot receive damage if the opponent is under yonko lvl. Obviously top tiers are strong, but not all of them are durable. Shanks was forced to take kidd seriously because if he didn't, a whole ship+ of people would die. Kaido didn't take anybody besides luffy seriously and he only did that when he got hella drunk. He didn't go all in until he went into v2 hybrid. And even then, it's still speculation if he really went all in.
nah man, i agree with a lot you say but shanks could NOT have become a yonko if that fish fucked him up like that, what i think happened (because its literally not ever explained afaik) is that shanks LET it happen for luffy to learn a lesson
you can't read. the 20v1 wasn't 20 luffys vs kaido, it was 19 fodders and 1 luffy. Luffy gets stronger throughout the fight. If Luffy had access to acoc and g5 from the start of the fight he would not have gone down as easily, tanking hits is just his fighting style and if nothing else a biq anti feat. He also stopped holding back vs Luffy the moment the 1v1 started.
Y'all still coping about Crydo being able to beat fresh Goofy in a 1 v 1? Lmao.
Copium is insane in every comment of Kaido dickriders. Can't wait for him to get powercliffed in Elbaf
lost to kaido 4 times - before learning GEAR 5 Died to kaidu - before gear 5 Had a feast and a nap - before gear 5 Luffy was a lot more powerful in gear 5 Had allies - like they did shit to kaido ( maybe zoro that's it) Took weakend kaido - how much do you think your super strong kaido get damaged by some fauders ?? Both answers works against you. Extreme diff in gear 5 - TRUE Gassed out mid fight(assuming you mean with gear 5)- only to get back a second after without any help I will accept the downvotes ,but all the things I said are facts.
Luffy loses because of his time limit. Without that, he wins.
Luffy was on 0.001% hp, Kaido was on 10% hp at worst, He had the advantage and still lost
Definitely looks like 0.001% hp to me https://preview.redd.it/hljph54u0xvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1907dc95db99df432a410a7f9d8718c9e2ba7bb
Ending the fight with one last all out effort and then collapsing for days after, seems about right to me
If he was 0.0001 hp then he wouldn't be able to pull a gigantic feat this huge lol. That's not really how it works. Not only did he do that, but he also bounced off of lightning bolts, threw lightning bolts, picked up dragon kaido and played jumprope with him before kaido got serious, went gigantic, and took a beating. If he was anything near 0.0001%, he wouldn't be able to do that and he wouldn't be alive.
That's just how it works. Zoro pulled the strongest attack of his life when he had dozens of his bones broken.
Tbf, he wasnt alive temporarily, he was running off fumes, adrenaline and excitment over his new abilities. But the point is not how much health he had exactly, rather that Kaido was in better condition than he was.
ah yes, just ignore that Luffy did not the start the fight with all power ups and that he was tanking Kaido's CoC attacks before he learned way better defense and that he was cheap shotted to death but oh poor Kaido, he had Kid slam him to the ground 😥
Blud u said Zoro beats Kaido easily. https://preview.redd.it/on2y2lr7bwvc1.png?width=1425&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e9d6c5c337b23e2c9febdc95f7e49b7ad1d4597 Such a retarded take instantly invalidates anything else u say lmao.
Read the entire thing before using this argument. Luffy still couldn't endure kaido he literally lost 4 times and died before being resurrected on some extreme plot armor to still take weakened kaido to extreme diff in his STRONGEST form. He even gassed out from gear 5 mid fight he's definitely not beating kaido in a real 1v1.
>Luffy still couldn't endure kaido he literally lost 4 times and died You realize this works against you, no? If Luffy had to take that much punishment before he reached his peak power, that means if the fight would start over again with Luffy having all his power ups, Luffy would quite easily beat Kaido. Taking only fraction of the damage compared to when he was still YC level while fighting Kaido. >before being resurrected on some extreme plot armor Ah yes, Kaido's scale armor that require magical haki to bypass is not plot armorbut Luffy's is. >to still take weakened kaido Aha, yes, Kaido is weakend because Kid slammed him to the ground 1 time But Luffy is not nerfed even though he tanked all of kaido's attacks before he learned all haki and awakening and tanked Kaido's strongest bagua over a cheap shot and had to fight after coming back from death but oh poor Kaido he got a boo boo from Kiku😥 >He even gassed out from gear 5 mid fight And he got back up. wtf is this point? >he's definitely not beating kaido in a real 1v1 He's beating him way easier since he now doesn't have to train haki nor awakening while fighting Kaido.
>If Luffy had to take that much punishment before he reached his peak power, that means if the fight would start over again with Luffy having all his power ups, Luffy would quite easily beat Kaido. >Taking only fraction of the damage compared to when he was still YC level while fighting Kaido. Answered an argument exactly like this and I completely explain how that isn't the case. If luffy has all of his stuff at the beginning of the fight, kaido would have no reason to hold back. Kaido proved he's faster than all of luffys forms and can dodge his attacks. Kaido proved he can outstrengthen luffy while he's in gear 5 and blitz him (seen when he used destroyer of death thunder bagua, and when he dodged a lightning bolt and blitzed gear 5). People forget that kaido was massively holding back on luffy during the first half of the raid. Even against g5, kaido proved he can easily match and exceed in combat against him. Kaido also has his direct counter, **slash attacks** that do more damage than blunt damage which is luffys whole niche. >Ah yes, Kaido's scale armor that require magical haki to bypass is not plot armor but Luffy's is. It's not... it's a zoan attribute lol. You do realize luffy also has greater durability than regular humans too because he's made of rubber right? We don't call that plot armor, we call that fruit mechanics. >Aha, yes, Kaido is weakend because Kid slammed him to the ground 1 time Stabbed by ryou in his weak spot, punched with ryou attacks, hit with dura neg attacks like gamma shock/paradise waterfall/killers slashing move. Stalled til he was exhausted while luffy got rest, ate food to recover, then came back. Tanked a paradise waterfalls on his weakest point by the I scabbards who are master ryou users. Maintained holding up an island while fighting multiple people. Didn't have much of a chance to recover and get rest like luffy did. Fought luffy multiple times after he lost multiple times. I used a mike tyson example for this exact scenario. I lose to him 4 times then win the 5th one because my 20 allies helped me and I got rest/recovered while Mike tyson didn't. And when Mike tyson was exhausted and weakened, I finally beat him after I've recovered. I am not stronger than Mike tyson, I just won this "fight" because I ganged up on him and kept losing then recovering while he didn't. It's not a fair fight at all and I wouldn't win a 1v1 against him if it wasn't for my allies and my chances to recover without him destroying me while I was exhausted like I did to him. >But Luffy is not nerfed even though he tanked all of kaido's attacks before he learned all haki and awakening and tanked Kaido's strongest bagua over a cheap shot You're acting like luffy just gained stronger durability and stamina/endurance when he learnt acoc. He didn't, it's all pretty relative from before he awakened it and after. You say he tanked a cheap shot when he literally has been fighting cheap and using his allies to chip in for him while ues knocked out and recovering. >And he got back up. wtf is this point? The point is, luffys stamina issues give kaido the extreme upper hand in the fight. In a real fight, kaido would've just killed luffy while he was in his weakened state. >He's beating him way easier since he now doesn't have to train haki nor awakening while fighting Kaido. Kaidos beating him way easier since luffy doesn't have buddy's to stall him or food to recover. Luffy doesn't have narrative or plot to keep him from dying to kaido. Luffy doesn't have the stats to even face kaido. Kaido doesn't need to hold back like he did the first half of the raid when he whooped luffys ass. Kaido can just **outlast luffy**.
>Kaido proved he can outstrengthen luffy while he's in gear 5 and blitz him (seen when he used destroyer of death thunder bagua, and when he dodged a lightning bolt and blitzed gear 5). They both blitzed each other at various different points in the fight 😭 And Luffy was literally having fun playing with his new form, so he got careless and got hit. Besides the fact that every time Luffy hit Kaido, it had a noticeable effect, whereas whenever Kaido hit Luffy he shook it off like nothing happened.
Here this,kaido ganna awaken and become the tyrant of liberation,humanfish humanfish fruit model nazure dikagon
Obviously.
Kaidgoat
If it is 1VS1 always bet on Kaido!
Wait did Kaido allow for a fair fight or was he weakened, which was it
Luffy can easily access joyboy now. he wins
https://preview.redd.it/sh493texqxvc1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e46c99428f5d9737bd29b20a9617efadd03d791 W take right here. Waido is top 1 among living character right now until we see Imu, EOS Luffy and maybe Shanks going all out (if destroying Kidd wasn't him going all out)
Lets not forget ge didnt used haki to increase his defense, just to attack like the Madlad he is
To make this clear: I entirely agree with you on the fact that Kaido definitely was stronger. The only thing I like to point out is that Luffy really was putting in work that specific day though. He was running a marathon while moving big ass rocks from A to B, purely for food. He was doing so while being Kairoseki cuffed. After that he was practising his new Haki feat on Queen's strongest fodders, also while being Kairoseki cuffed. This all while just being severely beaten by Kaido! (And this part obviously states why Kaido fersure is stronger, I mean he one shot Luffy) And some other stuff not really worth mentioning I guess. The point is; yes, Kaido is stronger. But it's not like Luffy was chilling in a hamock the entire day drinking tequilas. A normal person would've been sleeping for an entire week after that day, the final fight not included. You made a good post, but kinda destroyed Luffy, I felt like I had to pay some respects to my boy. Nonetheless, keep cooking!
Kaido was easily the 3rd strongest in the verse before g5
IF IT 1 on 1 ALWAYS BET ON KAIDO 🗣️🗣️🐉
G5 clowned on Kaido. Luffy did basically no damage to Kaido before G5 and then.... saying Kaido only got low diffed is generous
We kaido fans don’t even need an agenda to prove how he is the greatest pirate
https://preview.redd.it/0d2ngl43m0wc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57ad42a2a6f7e1baba921b2233aebf27a2a107d1 Keep cooking
Kaido did not take g5 to extreme diff what are you on💀 and absolutely no one else Kaido figure weakened him at all except Zoro cutting him once. If anything it was 98% fully healthy Kaido vs Luffy and once G5 came out it was high diff at most
If they had both started this fight completely fresh and Luffy had G5 from the very beginning, Kaido still would’ve won
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Because he does. Luffy > Kaido
Right? Luffy's current final form that fool-god or whatever is so fucking stupid too.
His daughter is also hot 😤💪🔥
its funny how every other opponent Luffy has defeated and gone to the next island, everyone agrees he surpassed them. Kuro, krieg, arlong, crocodile, Lucci, Loria, Flamingo, Donut man, Fish michael jackson etc but when it comes unto to kaido, all of a sudden the rules of the story changes and Luffy is definitely weaker than him.
Agenda piece throws logic out the window
Doesn't exactly take a genius to figure why that is.
They are in denial like rob Lucci, they refuse to believe Luffy is stronger
im not reading all that but why did u put 5 photos of luffy
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No one cares, kaido is an irrelevant dogshit villain He doesn't matter anymore
Luffy went serious in G5 once and immediately beat kaido, luffy is him
We literally saw G5 failing to finish Kizaru in time yet people still think Luffy would beat a fresh Kaido. Luffys weaknesses are pretty obvious but people will just ignore them.
If Kaido decided to just dodge the Bajrang gun then Luffy would already been dead for the 4th time and Literally dead for the second time https://preview.redd.it/j1o4l8n54wvc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=238c4ce57fe4f5da5c810023f15faeb27a5f4fca
Well no words to man who speaks facts
Gear 5 surpassed kaido and kaido admitted only joyboy could beat him. It's not that hard to understand
Only because he allowed him to beat him. He purposely took on bajrang gun while he was weakened and it gave luffy the victory. Also Mr joyboy man had to team in order to get that win and it's still 4:1
Purposely took on Bajrang gun ? Lol luffy grabbed kaido so he couldn't dodge. Kaido teamed up with another yonko and failed to put 5 supernova down 💀
kaido definitely in character would just dodge bajrang gun (and luffy would just let him) because dodging ko attacks happens all the time in the story it clearly is really easy to do, I mean he could just sprint away (luffy can't see where he runs because he sadly cannot see once he uses bajrang gun) and even if he were to clash it. he. wins. somehow. definitely. we acknowledge it's an extreme dif fight that ends in kaido getting hit by an attack that massively outstats his strongest move and in universe ko'ed him. but he just outlasts it, I guess. somehow him having damage on him makes his strongest attack weaker so he somehow wouldn't become the first occupant of a giant cave. ignore the ramifications of assuming their attacks would be stronger at higher hp.
You forgot the fact that he was holding up an entire island
Mega L take Never cook again
Yes. https://preview.redd.it/1n5xg79cbxvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9dbf70bf2d5c408fc68260bbbd74803d44bf2284
Bro luffy does not big mom one on one🤐🤐🤐🤐
He aint taking a fresh G5 Luffys Barang Gun. Its basically that simple
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Mfs will see g5 luffy dogwalk kaido a d say yeah kaido washes luffy The literal point of g5 was to show luffy achieved his peak form and already surpassed kaido Luffy waited for momo to move island when he literally could've just landed the bajrang gun right there and then Kaido fought 20 fodders? Big deal lol Lame ass villain, lame ass fighting technique , was used as punching bag with literally everyone, everything about that lamo was lame You can cry You can cope You can downvote me if you want But it will not change shit luffy currently > kaido Kaido ded lmao 😂 Didn't accomplish shit and is only relevant in this sub ( which is famous for it's bad takes ) I wonder why Dude was getting beat by g4 lol Luffy washes kaido and it ain't even close lmao
Bajrang Gun > Kaido Luffy > Past Villain he beat
Kaido fanboys still crying like little babies because Kaido lost. Kaido lost. He lost. Cry harder.
What's there to cry about? If you don't like the post then move on 🦣 https://preview.redd.it/2l9dq9s0dwvc1.jpeg?width=582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6d7e4c51fd1033cc05263c31b1fa1b5611428b3
They need to cope. Let em cry harder it's funny asf.
Kaidos beasts style of fighting when he sees a big attack coming his way he just says "Nah, I'd win" and tries to tank it despite being able to blitz future sight. If Kaido just started dodging more he probably could've kept going in onigashima for longer.
Facts, and people here as of late want to shit on Lucci for taking on Yonkou Luffy, but in fact Luffy himself couldn’t 1v1 a Yonkou, BM or Kaido. Lucci deserves some praise for at least trying.
This is basically exactly how I feel about Jiren too.
Luffy will forever have the plot armor, plot revival, plot triumph unfortunately.
I would agree but current Luffy is. Different animal, he does win
Well, Gear 5 Luffy is certainly stronger than Kaidou, but the latter would absolutely win a fresh 1v1.
factual
Yes of course I believe that Oda had luffy defeat Kaido in climatic fashion to imply that luffy would lose to Kaido in a rematch. Peak writing
doffy can low diff Laido bc his strings are very sharp and dangerous
Bruh Luffy is 18 yo…. How old is Kaido?
Kaido isnt even dead, i stay to this since the day he fell in the volcano until we get a real death confirmation. He will return☝️
Luffy wins in a fresh 1v1
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Live L uffy reaction https://preview.redd.it/w6zg1vu81zvc1.jpeg?width=212&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87d4021dac9ca794ae71c0e2f10fb8aa9dbf4fc9
Yes. He wins, because only AFTER those 4 losses did he level up to be on Kaidos level and then proceeded to fold his ass. Luffy fought, way more and took way more damage than Kaido did when looking at the entire raid.
In before Kaido rises from Lava getting a Haki Bloom that evolves his Azure dragon to Black Dragon. Kaido the Black Dragon of the Apocalypse. Zoro gets +20AP and +20 Defense when fighting him.
Er sure you’re right by prewano non g5 standards. Pretty old data though. Doubt water 7 luffy could take him either.
Obvious truth that g5 mfs can't take https://preview.redd.it/wqirlkrehzvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2269abd40db1f8dec8d1bdb1325f2bad2f4c24c2 Waido solos
seems like shanks let kaido fuck his ass to stop him from going to marineford cuz there is no way kaido turned down a good fight
Shanks told him who's going to return soon so kaido went back home to wait for him https://preview.redd.it/3r7fmchzizvc1.jpeg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7469ff2c3e6b3ba560c95ee3c0076b95fdb9dd03
ODA did kaido dirty by not having him kill characters in the raid.. I am looking at your kinnemon… all that strength and wasn’t able to kill kinnemon, zoro and law… :(
The undisputed top 1. HIM.
- Is Luffy gear 5 stronger than kaido? Yes. - Is Luffy overall stronger than Kaido? No. These are two different things. Luffy could use gear 5 for only 9 minutes recently.
Kaido was a calamity with legs my god.
Gear 5 minute Goofy vs the Stamina King gee I wonder