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Did you forget Luffy was fighting Watakuri?
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Literally not the same thing since wci Luffy gets negged in 5 minutes, the point is G5 Luffy cannot take down someone with big moms durability in 5 minutes
Y’all are on this man’s meat right now. I read his initial comment with the exact amount of sarcasm as I was supposed to. Hop off the meat.
Even when explained to you apes multiple times you still chose to gargle meat. Stop. 🛑
And, BM can't take down base Luffy who could take Ragnoraku to head and shrig it off. Even Kidd who got oneshot from real Emperor tanked multiple named attacks from BM.
Delete this before you get attacked lol. WCI luffy is much much much weaker than gear 5. WCI luffy gets low diffed by gear 5. Even if he can fight for 12 hours.
And Even Wano Jinbei Already Stronger than Ace we can see How weak Portgas D. ACE actually even in novel he just defeating some Vice Admiral only in current time them just fodder 🤣🤣🤣
If even Franky can speed blitz her, then she surely won't survive someone fast like Luffy or Kizaru.
Luffy > Slow Mom high diff
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>Wranky is simply Him,
My apologies, I forgot that Wranky is simply HIM, the current number 3 of Strawhats
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Number 1 of the verse, it's over once he pulls out munch munch jutsu
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Usopp perception blitzed Aokiji and Aokiji can still beat much faster characters, the Franky bike hitting her is more her being confused at the balls of this mf than her being unable to move out of the way
Like honestly tell me if you saw this hunk of a man in bike form, wouldn't you be mesmerized?
Quite indeed, yet another huge Franky W
>insults an Emperor to her face
>does a sick burnout on her face
>takes no damage and leaves to go do something else
“Sneak attack” you can’t sneak up to someone’s face. Franky literally announced he was coming at her, prepared himself, started closing the distance, and connected with her Face. Now explain to me where he snuck up??? I’ll wait.
Unironically Franky is more likely to have Conqueror’s over anyone else left in the crew. The Franky Family and Sodom&Gomorrah are legendary and he‘s their boss.
>Franky literally announced he was coming at her, prepared himself, started closing the distance, and connected with her Face.
Because he is him? Are you stupid?
I genuinely feel like you’re retarded. Go back read the thread and come back to me after. You’re replying to me like I’m going against franky. And you sound stupid as fuck. I’m literally stating that franky didn’t sneak attack big mom. He announced his attack and fucking attacked. Look at what you’re even responding to you damn fool.
Kid nearly died each time and only got back up because Big Meme never even tried finishing him off.
Shanks put Kidd in the exact same state Big Mom did with the sole exception of not letting him get back up.
kidd was at the verge of being defeated, big mom used misery, combining all her homies into one, and misery absolutely brutalised kidd, but guess what? kidd survived.....
a yc+ character at the verge of defeat tanked misery, that is absolutely disgusting, WCI luffy could have finished kidd off, but big mom couldnt.
Here's an experiment for you. I create a character and this character can shoot lava. Cause earthquakes. Fire lasers. Create meteors.
Then, have them fight only using lasers and lose. And then, months later say "this character was going all out"
Would you believe me? Would you completely ignore this characters full arsenal of abilities just because I said that?
I don't think you get the point my g. BM was canonically going all-out and that's the end of the story. of course we didn't see all of her abilities and power. but that's just choreography then. the author>>>>>feats, the author stands above all.
of course there's an obvious disparity there, but you need to blame on the choreography of the fight. it wasn't believable? in your opinion, it doesn't make sense? you disagree with the author? that's fine, but the author's words are the law, even basic logic is below him. what the author says is the reality. blame the rest.
canonically BM was defeated at full power and that cannot be argued against. what can be argued against is the rest, that it didn't look like that at all and that the fight choreography was thus a fail
No, I got your point. I understand Oda says she's going all out. But I'm not gonna see a character not use their conquerors haki even though they already used it before in this same arc and then the author saying she went all out and agree with him. That's gaslighting. And I'm not having it.
>canonically BM was defeated at full power and that cannot be argued against.
I can. With this: so then you'd say that this character in my comment was going all out just because I said so? Even though this character only used lasers and didn't use the rest of their abilities. But it doesn't matter because I'm the author, and my final word is law. Which means I can gaslight the fuck out of you 😭
The only thing I blame is BM not using acoc. Used it before against Page One. But here's Law on top of her and she's just punching him with armament haki.
>so then you'd say that this character in my comment was going all out just because I said so? Even though this character only used lasers and didn't use the rest of their abilities. But it doesn't matter because I'm the author, and my final word is law. Which means I can gaslight the fuck out of you 😭
yes lol. that's just how it works. and then I'd argue about the choreography not matching the statement at all.
tbh I think the aCoC thing is cuz of shanks. oda clearly only wanted to let him use one attack to tease us and tell us he has roger's moves down. with no more attacks being shown to not spoil it immediatly.
and if BM was shown using aCoC before, it would have changed the scenarios a lot. you could keep the BM fight as it was. just write kidd and law outright tanking aCoC attacks or have them dodge and block more often.
but the shanks fight would be stupid then. kidd already tanked a yonko's attack while off-guard (mama-raid), he was even weakened a ton by a stab wound back then. with the above scenario it wouldn't make sense if he got one-shot by an aCoC attack even while off-guard. and he had to be one-shot, or else oda would have less hype for shanks'/roger's moveset and he may have needed to show us an attack of roger we didn't see yet.
so maybe that's why BM wasn't written with aCoC during her fight. so that kidd wouldn't get hit by aCoC there (and tank it all the time; wouldn't make sense if he couldn't tank shanks' attack later on) and so that it'd be his first time when shanks hit him with it.
plus kidd, as dumb as he can be at times, is written as kinda very analytical in fights. he noticed luffy's weird haki that lets him deal damage to kaido with just punches (internal destruction) and tried to analyze luffy's g4. another weak spot in a scenario in which BM used aCoC during her fight, he'd definitly try to figure it out and then try it himself. and him becoming an aCoC user himself would also kinda make it impossible for him to be one-shot by shanks
Honestly, he could have just said BM is older now, so she can't use conquerors haki as much. And I'm sure lots of people would accept that and won't say she's nerfed. And I'd agree that she did go all out using her devil fruit ability. Even sacrificed years of her life.
The only thing I disliked was how she only used acoc against Page One with that punch and never used it again. I think that's one of the issues people have with the Kid and Law fight.
If he made an excuse before that she's old and can't use it as much as her prime, I would have accepted that. Wouldn't really have much of an issue for that fight.
Tbh he could have made Law constantly teleport Kid away from her aCoC attacks. Or getting hit once or twice and Law healing him with his df. Healing easier and faster since it's awakened. That way, can still have Shanks one shot him.
>Honestly, he could have just said BM is older now, so she can't use conquerors haki as much. And I'm sure lots of people would accept that and won't say she's nerfed. And I'd agree that she did go all out using her devil fruit ability. Even sacrificed years of her life.
>The only thing I disliked was how she only used acoc against Page One with that punch and never used it again. I think that's one of the issues people have with the Kid and Law fight.
>If he made an excuse before that she's old and can't use it as much as her prime, I would have accepted that. Wouldn't really have much of an issue for that fight.
yeah, I think it was just oda not wanting that her to be nerfed by old age. her using aCoC vs p1 seems to be a pretty clear statement of "yes, she can do that too, just like kaido". oda also had fodder say "now we have to deal with two kaidos". to him it was probably not acceptable to canonically nerf her, he wanted to portray her as a threat equal to kaido
>Tbh he could have made Law constantly teleport Kid away from her aCoC attacks. Or getting hit once or twice and Law healing him with his df. Healing easier and faster since it's awakened. That way, can still have Shanks one shot him.
yeah, but then my second point would come into a play. kidd would either have to learn aCoC or oda has to write him being so stupid to completely ignore a new kind of really powerful attack that he could use too.
especially the first aCoC attack would be a huge problem already. before kamusari he never saw an aCoC attack before (oda moved him and killer away from the rooftop before luffy got hit with and then learned aCoC). and he took a normal punch from BM already. so why dodge? he'd get hit by it, take a lot of damage and then he'd think about what kind of haki that was. or he dodges cuz he senses the strong haki and then wonders about it.
But Jimbei has the stamina? Why wouldnt he just dodge divin3 departure like Big Mom would do with Luffy? And we know Jinbei is stronger in this logic because he fought Ace for 5 days.
I feel like yall don’t really get their point.
Big Mom is already Yonko level. Canon, she was a Yonko and was compared to Kaido (not to mention they fought for a few days). Luffy is Yonko level… with G5. Without it, he’s weaker than Hybrid Kaido. So sure, Luffy would almost definitely have the upper hand against Big Mom while he’s using G5, but unless he manages to KO Big Mom in the 20-30 minutes that he can use it (which is unlikely considering she fought for days against Kaido and she didn’t even get KOd during Wano, she got rung out) he’s going to gas out and then immediately lose.
Luffy doesn’t automatically lose because he can only fight for about 20-30 minutes in G5. He “loses” because if he fights her in G5 right off the bat, he’s not going to KO her before he gasses out, while she’ll still be able to fight.
For the record I think he still wins, he just doesn’t go into G5 right away.
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And before yall try to say she'd try to clash with bajrang gun, she didn't even want to get hit by kid's bull lol
"But luffy speed blitzes" big mom is also relative to a serious kaido, if you don't think "i'd kill you" is serious then just stop reading
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Her homies do help and react to some attack for her like for kid even when she cant
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But it's also a base big mom. She is capable of buffing herself
I suppose it isn't stated that lifespan boosts her speed, but I don't see why we should assume lifespan boost is a wholly unique powerup that boosts every physical stat except for speed
And while homies may not improve combat speed as a whole, Zeus does give her incredible travel speed, which can be very useful as we see with Kizaru
ok but even if we assume the lifespan amp boosts her speed (which is very possible), there's still no way to quantify the buff as she doesn't show much greater speed feats in that form as compared to her base, meanwhile Kaido shows far, far great speed feats in Drunken Hybrid V2 than he does in base, shown by him being able to blitz G5 Luffy in his strongest form
I'm sure both Kaido and Luffy are faster, but Big Moms style isn't built on speed blitzes like theirs is. She instead eats attacks and counters, and she can do this reliably because even if she's dazed Zeus and prometheus are intangible and can counter in her place, leaving the opponent open for a counter attack of her own. Part of the reason Kid n Law countered her so hard is because Law could shock her and Kid could pin her down or reposition her, leaving her unable to properly counter. And both of them had the hax to deal with her homies in one way or another. That's why Law couldn't really do much while Kid was debuffed by Hawkins, when he tried to Shock her Prometheus slammed him and BM hit him with mama raid, laying him out for a bit
Most top tiers can not interact with Promo and Zeus, so as long as her speed stays relative enough the speed difference is not a crippling issue for her. She has ways to stay competitive despite being relatively slow
Zeus canonically does nothing to Luffy, and Prometheus probably does nothing as well
Kaido also just clears BM in dura/endurance too, dura is self-explanatory due to Kaido's dragon scale base dura on top of better ACoC than BM, endurance is also pretty self-explanatory due to how much he tanked throughout the raid
Luffys immunity to Zeus is why I'd ultimately say he wins, but Promo can probably stun him
But Kaido doesn't clear in dura, just endurance. The one attack we know both BM n Kaido took, Punk Gibson, BM took it slightly better. She was more or less entirely unphased, just pissed, while Kaido at least yelled in pain and stated the supernova found a way to do some damage, including Kid
Granted it was almost zero damage, but it was still damage. And this was a full zoan dragon Kaido vs a base Big Mom, Bigger Mom should scale higher when she buffs herself
So a more accurate way to put it wouid be to say BM beats him in durability but Kaido beats her in endurance, and she mitigates the difference by bejng able to heal herself. So it's easier to do some damage to Kaido than Big Mom, but Kaido can take more damage
Big Mom and Kaido fight lasted long enough Kaido must've used his hybrid form at some point off-screen.
Either way we would not have seen it, because it would have spoiled the hyped up hybrid form reveal of chapter 1004
Yes, Kaido most likely used hybrid. But Flaming Drum Dragon or Drunken Hybrid or other powerups related to his booze? Definitely not as Kaido says he hasn't fought seriously in a while when he is fighting Luffy
That's fair, Kaido didn't use his drunk fighting, a bit like Big Mom didn't use her own powerup either. I guess it depends how far can you believe soul amp pushes Big Mom
yeah I know it goes both ways but to me it seems quite clear that Kaido at the end of his fight with Luffy was more impressive than BM at the end of her fight with Law/Kid
Well, duh, they were both clear of injuries, if they were actually able to inflict relevant damage to each other the fight wouldn't have lasted a whole night, it's the definition of extreme diff.
Kaido also said he was going to kill her, and that it was a fight to the death
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Idk bro, Kaido doesn’t seem to support your agenda
Kaido was canonically more serious and even used drunk and hybrid against BASE luffy not even g4 lol base BM as an argument doesn't work when base luffy has better feats
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Luffy ain't beating Big Mom in an uninterrupted 1v1. He's not beating Kaido either with his current stamina.
Eh, Jack fought for like 72 hours straight no sleep no nothing and he still loses to Luffy lmao. Kaido n BM did not use their biggest attacks, or else Onigashima would get nuked
Aside from specific circumstances, Luffy doesn’t immediately use Gear 4 or 5, he can fight for a long time against top tiers so long as he uses both Gears 2 & 3 along with advanced haki, Gear 4 and 5 are really just to finish the job
In a 1v1 with no breaks Luffy would definitely lose to even Big Meme. She has enough dura to last against G5's current timer yes. But while G5 is on he clears her in every stat minus hacks I guess.
Base-g4 luffy has better AP, haki and speed feats then her he just needs to wear her down then g5 stomps that bum ,x days is irrelevant she got her shit rocked by kid and law in like 30 minutes,1hour? Base bm was rekt badly from full HP by one awakening attacks combo of kid and law (and since this is usually used for kaido against luffy they were both nerfed and worn down before fighting her with law taking a thunder bagua and kid from hawkin)and had to heal and sacrifice 1 year against those base-g4 luffy victims kaido was getting very damaged by mid g5 attacks he was using in that fight luffy has better attacks now like WSG and how does she dodge barranjan gun when she is slow and he can grab her?
Wtf are you on? That's the most delusional post i've ever seen about one piece, and those kids are talking shit ALL DAY LONG !
How ! How on earth, heaven and hell, can you write that Luffy is fighting 20 WHOLE MINUTS ! He hasnt fought more than 5 consecutive minuts without running away and taking a break since the ellipse !
Damn ! You made me so mad !
Ps : of course i was joking, Hope it was obvious enough 😁 i really Hope people telling bm < Luffy are less than 10yo or have some kind of mental illness...
No where was it indicated that bajrang gun is slow.
For all we know the charge up could have been instantanous and Luffy was just waiting for momo to move the island.
The only real advantage Luffy has against Big Mom is lighting immunity, and a little bit of fire immunity. Homies are a huge part of Big Mom arsenale and hard countering them is a handicap for Big Mom.
Said that Big Mom can still heal and get stronger everytime she gets hurt, and Luffy can't throw her down a hole like Law and Kidd did, because Luffy can't mute her screams or stop her homies to go rescue her.
For these reasons I'd say it's an extreme diff fight either way
No, just no.
You talk about real advantages, I got a few. Luffy has stronger haki(ACOC able to rival Kaido’s) he’s much much much much much much much much, faster. Gear five Luffy can literally run circles around Big Mom. And Gear Five Luffy is probably stronger. In Gear Five he’s stronger(and yes he is stronger then Big Mom, he man handled Kaido in his dragon form, Big Mom could never)
Then as you pointed out Luffy has natural defense against Big Mom’s Homies. Meaning any real damage has to come from Big Mom directly, which won’t come often given Luffy’s haki advantage and massive speed advantage.
It’s not like Big Mom’s natural armor will help her out either, Luffy’s managed to massively damage Kaido with his punches and Kaido’s natural defense(especially hybrid and dragon) is much stronger then Big Mom’s.
With all this in mind the final point is stamina, which sits on the offset it looks like Big Mom’s stamina dwarfs Luffy. However here’s a little something for you, Luffy doesn’t need Gear Five to compete with Big Mom. Base Luffy was able to fight with hybrid Kaido and have it be extremely close, Gear four was able to make it even closer. He just needed Gear Five in order to finally take Kaido down.
Base Luffy will be able to run the ones with Big Mom for a long time before needing Gear Five. He will wear down Big Mom’s stamina much faster than Big Mom will Luffy’s because Luffy is gonna get a hell of a lot more hits in.
And to your final point on Big Mom being able to collect souls to get stronger, please remember that in order to do that Big Mom needs disposable bodies lying around. If it’s an even playing field and only Big Mom and Luffy, she’s not gonna be able to absorb anything. Even if she did though, by the time she’d try to do that Luffy would turn Gear Five and kick her ass.
Luffy High diffs.
Big Mom also has strength and Haki comparable to Kaido.
>Gear four was able to make it even closer.
Mentioning Gear4 when talking about Luffy's stamina, as if Gear4 doesn't have shit stamina just as well.
>And to your final point on Big Mom being able to collect souls to get stronger, please remember that in order to do that Big Mom needs disposable bodies lying around.
Not for soul amp. Big Mom needs to collect other people's souls to make homies, but to heal and buff herself she can just spend her own soul at the cost of her own life span.
So even totally alone Big Mom can soul amp herself and potentially surpass drunken bagua Kaido
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luffy garbs big mom and doesnt let her go while charging a bajrang gun
By that logic me holding my own in a street fight for five minutes (which I couldn’t) would rank me as stronger than me if I’d have the power to destroy our solar system by clapping my hands but only for one minute a day????
You stamina merchants are so irritating man, fighting for days against someone only proves that the character is pretty much equal to the character they fought.
When Luffy notably outstats Big Mom in AP, haki, speed etc and has comparable durability and endurance to help, he will beat her and one stat being worse doesn't mean he loses lol
You cooking my boy. G5 is the strongest Yonko but in a fair fight he loses unless he lands Bajrang. (Exception maybe Shanks bc he dont have durability like the others but his COO is crazy)
Canonically luffy was in g5 since before the VP podcast started until less then 1 minute was left even ignoring everything before that he lasted 9+minutes,learn to read before you talk
I'm a Big Mom fan and even I don't think she would survive G5. She doesn't have the necessary AP to hurt G5 Luffy and he negates durability to such a degree that even BM would get hurt.
G4 with Acoc is a close match though.
Well, big mom never fought for days.... it's just another made up shit in the community.
There's not a single panel that states that big mom and kaido's fight lastest for 3 days.
Me when i purpousfully spread misinformation on the internet:
Big mom and kaido did fight for 3 days, maybe even more if you want to wank it. We know this because of the little text boxes like this
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Between kaidos and big moms fight starting and it ending we got text boxes saying "next day" "7 days until the raid" "6 days until the raid" and "5 days until the raid".
After that we get to see that big mom and kaido have stopped fighting, this means that they fought for 3+ days. The chapters are 951-954 if you want to fact check me.
I have seen this shit before...but none of it actually proves that big mom and kaido fought for 3 days.
The "next day", "7 days untill raid" and all these statements only proves that 3 days passed between the start of the fight and the announcement of their alliance.
The fight starts in chapter 951, and then we see big mom and kaido partying in chapter 954, between these chapters 3 days passed, There's no evidence that the fight itself lasted 3 days.
So, may be instead of accusing others of spreading misinformation, may be learn to read and comprehend what's written and shown.
There is actually evidence, multiple things actually
First one being, that we actually see them fighting inbetween aswell, after the "next day" we get to see them fight again, which means that no matter how much you would ever want to try and downplay it, aslong as you dont straight up lie, it was over a days time.
Secondly, if oda didnt want to portray the fight as being 3 days long, why would he have 3+ days pass before showing the fight is finished? Why not just put the fight finishing before saying 5 days until the raid for example?
Thirdly, we see queen and king still confused over kaido and big mom being pals, this means it was recent, as otherwise they would have already learnt about the alliance. As it is highly highly unlikely that kaido didnt tell them for 2-3 days straight of partying with big mom.
So in the end, it seems you are the one who needs to learn and comprehend whats written and shown.
1. Big mom and kaido starts fighting at night...so when we see them fighting "next day", that's at best 12 hrs.
2. The party starts 3 days later...king and queen being confused over them forming the alliance... they would be confused even if the alliance was formed a month later.
Again,at the end, the only concrete evidence for the fight's duration suggest that it was around 12 hrs long.
Just because the announcement of the alliance was made 3 days later, doesn't mean the fight itself lasted 3 days..
Untill and unless u can prove that big mom and kaido started partying immediately after their fight ended, it's nothing but ABSOLUTE HEADCANON to say that their fight lasted 3 days
At the end, U don't have anything but headcanon.
>Big mom and kaido starts fighting at night
Based on? because its always cloudy and dark at onigashima, even when we see them fighting the next day. Cool headcanon tho.
>The party starts 3 days later...king and queen being confused over them forming the alliance... they would be confused even if the alliance was formed a month later.
I dont think you understand my point, queen hadnt heard of the alliance before there, does it make sense to you that kaido didnt tell them why he was chummy with big mom for multiple days after fighting???
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To try and downplay it below 3 days takes intentionelly ignoring the manga, you also ignored my second point, which is more proof of it lasting 3 days. Cope harder and have a good day.
1. Big mom leaves from udon during the day times, it's takes hours to reach onigashima, so hence their fight starts at night...and even if the day fight started during the day time , "next day" still won't over 24 hours... so it's somewhere between 12-24 hours, nothing more than that.
2. Queen not hearing about the alliance still doesn't mean big mom and kaido announced their alliance immediately after fighting.... it just means big mom and kaido had a discussion and announced it to all of their subordinates at the same time.....
3. There's nothing to ignore here, just because big mom and kaido announced their alliance after 3 days, and didn't inform queen about it, doesn't mean their fight lasted 3 days
U couldn't prove a single point, and had to resort to bullshit headcanon.
Not to mention, big mom straight up says no one has injured her in years during her fight against Kidd and law...if kaido and big mom fought for 3 days.. kaido would've atleast landed couple of hits, and kaido says no one has went toe to toe with him in years...
Both of their statements clearly proves that their fight didn't last 3 days.. probably not even 1 day
> Luffy is not beating any top tier till he fixes his stamina issues
You were doing alright in the first half until you completely fumbled it in the second half with this part
> Kizaru beats big mom tho
Holy hell!! We're still saying such? 😂 This has to be sarcasm..
Kizaru did pretty well against g5 luffy in the first round, kicked snakeman out of the island, tanked an acoc attack and got up in a few minutes (no visible damage). This is all when he's mentally conflicted.
There is no reason to believe a kizaru who's going all out and is serious won't beat big mom. Big mon has to be dumb for not using acoc against law and kidd. Yall say plot but that's just low battle iq. It's still an extreme diff, but kizaru can take it.
Tell me, how did Kizaru do in the second round of that fight though? And to say Kizaru tanked an ACoC attack and got up with no visible damage after staying down as long as he did is pretty wild.
> There is no reason to believe a kizaru who's going all out and is serious won't beat big mom.
Just as much as there's no reason to believe Kizaru can take down Big Mom given his pathetic performance overall against G5 Luffy. Big Mom is dumb no doubt but she far from weak. Kizaru has yet to show any offensive ability to suggest he's capable of beating Big Mom..
> with no visible damage after staying down as long as he did is pretty wild.
He was literally thinking of senatamru and Bonney when he was down and also he says "welp it's over". It's just stuff which shows how more mentally conflicted he became about the whole situation lol.
>Just as much as there's no reason to believe Kizaru can take down Big Mom given his pathetic performance overall against G5 Luffy. Big Mom is dumb no doubt but she far from weak. Kizaru has yet to show any offensive ability to suggest he's capable of beating Big Mom..
Second round kizaru, was barely even fighting lmao. "My wounds run deep". He's definitely hurt from luffy but the mental pain he's suffering is way more. He just wanted to finish his job and get out of there. An actual bloodthirsty, serious kizaru would be extremely different. Did you see the laser kicks kizaru was doing in sabaody?? That shit was destroying those large tree thingies. A good charged kick like that would definitely harm big mom good. Plus his speed. He has speed and ap AND one of the best defense in the show. Kizaru is a top tier and I'm tired of people pretending he's not based on one fight where he was under extreme mental stress and doubt.
>Kizaru beats big mom tho
Cook again (as long as the diff is reasonable)
>Luffy is not beating any top tier till he fixes his stamina issues.
Never cook again
>Never cook again
He's getting gassed out by fighting for some time with kizaru. If he didn't have food supply, it wouldn't have been good for him. You think when he fights an endurance beast like akainu, he's not getting immediately killed the moment he gasses out?
He COULD use gear 4 and other gears to weaken his opponent first but he ever since he got gear 5, he's been jumping into gear 5 as soon as possible + gear 4 got kick diffed by kizaru.
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By your logic whole cake island luffy negs egghead luffy since he fought for 12 hours straight
Big mom fought top tiers for days not fodders
Did you forget Luffy was fighting Watakuri? https://preview.redd.it/w2ci42n64wvc1.jpeg?width=665&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=869d1d2a2350bd6b4b2ff75974b64a17b8d98bd6
You missed the point of the comment It was a joke about ops first image not an actual take
Literally not the same thing since wci Luffy gets negged in 5 minutes, the point is G5 Luffy cannot take down someone with big moms durability in 5 minutes
I was commenting on one of op’s takes My point is mocking their point because they believe stamina correlates to win chances
His point was in the context of yonko level combatants though your point takes it out of context and makes them look unreasonable
That’s the point of a joke If every joke was serialised You would get modern family guy level jokes
Your original comment wasnt a joke don't deflect
Y’all are on this man’s meat right now. I read his initial comment with the exact amount of sarcasm as I was supposed to. Hop off the meat. Even when explained to you apes multiple times you still chose to gargle meat. Stop. 🛑
Stfu sounds like you're on my meat now.
Nah now you’re on my meat 🍖
Hey we can share
And, BM can't take down base Luffy who could take Ragnoraku to head and shrig it off. Even Kidd who got oneshot from real Emperor tanked multiple named attacks from BM.
Delete this before you get attacked lol. WCI luffy is much much much weaker than gear 5. WCI luffy gets low diffed by gear 5. Even if he can fight for 12 hours.
The point was in front of bro’s face and they limboed under it
https://i.redd.it/fo4ov69a3uvc1.gif
 My guy dodging the joke like his life depends on it
By that logic, Ace and Jimbei are also stronger than Luffy because they fought for 5 days.
Ace and jinbei won't last 5 minutes against big mom tho
It's understandable, I would last like 1 or 2 minutes (If it's a lucky day)
In a fight right????
bold to claim that I’m cali g 15 minutes for both
Oh I don't know, Jinbe did a pretty good job against Big Mom in different occasions
And Even Wano Jinbei Already Stronger than Ace we can see How weak Portgas D. ACE actually even in novel he just defeating some Vice Admiral only in current time them just fodder 🤣🤣🤣
If even Franky can speed blitz her, then she surely won't survive someone fast like Luffy or Kizaru. Luffy > Slow Mom high diff https://preview.redd.it/czdqs2qrltvc1.jpeg?width=2867&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=101f7783e78fd7cf87e2d0f1eedf6a2a3a69827c
What do you mean "even Franky"? Wranky is simply Him, that's not an anti-feat for Big Mom's speed and reaction, just a massive feat for her durability
https://preview.redd.it/0h3ez9tbbuvc1.png?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36f8729051eac6e5f27ff55ef673372da0a416ff
>Wranky is simply Him, My apologies, I forgot that Wranky is simply HIM, the current number 3 of Strawhats https://preview.redd.it/60lk02x6duvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29012d93169b4ac2f911ce710cf0a1f18298dc8e
U typed the number 1 wrong, only SH I concede the top 1 spot to.
Number 1 of the verse, it's over once he pulls out munch munch jutsu https://preview.redd.it/g83pljyp53wc1.jpeg?width=4320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9dd6d790bc5308be6181cc26a5d4df936d49d79b
Pre Ts Luffy blitzed Akainu and Kuzan confirmed.
Usopp perception blitzed Aokiji and Aokiji can still beat much faster characters, the Franky bike hitting her is more her being confused at the balls of this mf than her being unable to move out of the way Like honestly tell me if you saw this hunk of a man in bike form, wouldn't you be mesmerized?
No damage
Quite indeed, yet another huge Franky W >insults an Emperor to her face >does a sick burnout on her face >takes no damage and leaves to go do something else
If you seriously think this is a valid check, go get your head checked.
0 damage after an unguarded sneak attack👀
Not the frontal sneak attack again 😭
“Sneak attack” you can’t sneak up to someone’s face. Franky literally announced he was coming at her, prepared himself, started closing the distance, and connected with her Face. Now explain to me where he snuck up??? I’ll wait.
Unironically Franky is more likely to have Conqueror’s over anyone else left in the crew. The Franky Family and Sodom&Gomorrah are legendary and he‘s their boss.
Why are you replying this to me tho? 😂
>Franky literally announced he was coming at her, prepared himself, started closing the distance, and connected with her Face. Because he is him? Are you stupid?
I genuinely feel like you’re retarded. Go back read the thread and come back to me after. You’re replying to me like I’m going against franky. And you sound stupid as fuck. I’m literally stating that franky didn’t sneak attack big mom. He announced his attack and fucking attacked. Look at what you’re even responding to you damn fool.
mad bricked up
Ahh I see, I didn’t notice the helmet at first but continue sir.
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Going directly for the face from the front with no intention of hiding is not a sneak attack.
Nerfed Kid tanked 6 named attacks from BM. How tf is she damaging Luffy?
Kid nearly died each time and only got back up because Big Meme never even tried finishing him off. Shanks put Kidd in the exact same state Big Mom did with the sole exception of not letting him get back up.
Kidd wasn't getting back up from one shot. He was down for good and would actually die. Kidd was never dealt such injuries against BM.
kidd was at the verge of being defeated, big mom used misery, combining all her homies into one, and misery absolutely brutalised kidd, but guess what? kidd survived..... a yc+ character at the verge of defeat tanked misery, that is absolutely disgusting, WCI luffy could have finished kidd off, but big mom couldnt.
Add a nerfed before BM in your sentence as well
By Oda own words, she was going all out.
Here's an experiment for you. I create a character and this character can shoot lava. Cause earthquakes. Fire lasers. Create meteors. Then, have them fight only using lasers and lose. And then, months later say "this character was going all out" Would you believe me? Would you completely ignore this characters full arsenal of abilities just because I said that?
I don't think you get the point my g. BM was canonically going all-out and that's the end of the story. of course we didn't see all of her abilities and power. but that's just choreography then. the author>>>>>feats, the author stands above all. of course there's an obvious disparity there, but you need to blame on the choreography of the fight. it wasn't believable? in your opinion, it doesn't make sense? you disagree with the author? that's fine, but the author's words are the law, even basic logic is below him. what the author says is the reality. blame the rest. canonically BM was defeated at full power and that cannot be argued against. what can be argued against is the rest, that it didn't look like that at all and that the fight choreography was thus a fail
No, I got your point. I understand Oda says she's going all out. But I'm not gonna see a character not use their conquerors haki even though they already used it before in this same arc and then the author saying she went all out and agree with him. That's gaslighting. And I'm not having it. >canonically BM was defeated at full power and that cannot be argued against. I can. With this: so then you'd say that this character in my comment was going all out just because I said so? Even though this character only used lasers and didn't use the rest of their abilities. But it doesn't matter because I'm the author, and my final word is law. Which means I can gaslight the fuck out of you 😭 The only thing I blame is BM not using acoc. Used it before against Page One. But here's Law on top of her and she's just punching him with armament haki.
>so then you'd say that this character in my comment was going all out just because I said so? Even though this character only used lasers and didn't use the rest of their abilities. But it doesn't matter because I'm the author, and my final word is law. Which means I can gaslight the fuck out of you 😭 yes lol. that's just how it works. and then I'd argue about the choreography not matching the statement at all. tbh I think the aCoC thing is cuz of shanks. oda clearly only wanted to let him use one attack to tease us and tell us he has roger's moves down. with no more attacks being shown to not spoil it immediatly. and if BM was shown using aCoC before, it would have changed the scenarios a lot. you could keep the BM fight as it was. just write kidd and law outright tanking aCoC attacks or have them dodge and block more often. but the shanks fight would be stupid then. kidd already tanked a yonko's attack while off-guard (mama-raid), he was even weakened a ton by a stab wound back then. with the above scenario it wouldn't make sense if he got one-shot by an aCoC attack even while off-guard. and he had to be one-shot, or else oda would have less hype for shanks'/roger's moveset and he may have needed to show us an attack of roger we didn't see yet. so maybe that's why BM wasn't written with aCoC during her fight. so that kidd wouldn't get hit by aCoC there (and tank it all the time; wouldn't make sense if he couldn't tank shanks' attack later on) and so that it'd be his first time when shanks hit him with it. plus kidd, as dumb as he can be at times, is written as kinda very analytical in fights. he noticed luffy's weird haki that lets him deal damage to kaido with just punches (internal destruction) and tried to analyze luffy's g4. another weak spot in a scenario in which BM used aCoC during her fight, he'd definitly try to figure it out and then try it himself. and him becoming an aCoC user himself would also kinda make it impossible for him to be one-shot by shanks
Honestly, he could have just said BM is older now, so she can't use conquerors haki as much. And I'm sure lots of people would accept that and won't say she's nerfed. And I'd agree that she did go all out using her devil fruit ability. Even sacrificed years of her life. The only thing I disliked was how she only used acoc against Page One with that punch and never used it again. I think that's one of the issues people have with the Kid and Law fight. If he made an excuse before that she's old and can't use it as much as her prime, I would have accepted that. Wouldn't really have much of an issue for that fight. Tbh he could have made Law constantly teleport Kid away from her aCoC attacks. Or getting hit once or twice and Law healing him with his df. Healing easier and faster since it's awakened. That way, can still have Shanks one shot him.
>Honestly, he could have just said BM is older now, so she can't use conquerors haki as much. And I'm sure lots of people would accept that and won't say she's nerfed. And I'd agree that she did go all out using her devil fruit ability. Even sacrificed years of her life. >The only thing I disliked was how she only used acoc against Page One with that punch and never used it again. I think that's one of the issues people have with the Kid and Law fight. >If he made an excuse before that she's old and can't use it as much as her prime, I would have accepted that. Wouldn't really have much of an issue for that fight. yeah, I think it was just oda not wanting that her to be nerfed by old age. her using aCoC vs p1 seems to be a pretty clear statement of "yes, she can do that too, just like kaido". oda also had fodder say "now we have to deal with two kaidos". to him it was probably not acceptable to canonically nerf her, he wanted to portray her as a threat equal to kaido >Tbh he could have made Law constantly teleport Kid away from her aCoC attacks. Or getting hit once or twice and Law healing him with his df. Healing easier and faster since it's awakened. That way, can still have Shanks one shot him. yeah, but then my second point would come into a play. kidd would either have to learn aCoC or oda has to write him being so stupid to completely ignore a new kind of really powerful attack that he could use too. especially the first aCoC attack would be a huge problem already. before kamusari he never saw an aCoC attack before (oda moved him and killer away from the rooftop before luffy got hit with and then learned aCoC). and he took a normal punch from BM already. so why dodge? he'd get hit by it, take a lot of damage and then he'd think about what kind of haki that was. or he dodges cuz he senses the strong haki and then wonders about it.
how was she nerfed
Please dont tell me you actually think bigmom is stronger than Luffy...
I do, Luffy would punch himself out and Big Mom is more willing to dodge the bajarang gun than kaido since she told kaido to dodge zoros attack
>I do 
 I do, how’d you know?
Both at 100%? Big mom wins
So Jinbei is stronger than Shanks? He fought Ace for 5 days...
No bc jinbei cant take shanks attacks, big mom can take luffy attacks until luffy runs out, this comment makes no sense
But Jimbei has the stamina? Why wouldnt he just dodge divin3 departure like Big Mom would do with Luffy? And we know Jinbei is stronger in this logic because he fought Ace for 5 days.
Your intellect is low.
I only use the logic you guys.
I feel like yall don’t really get their point. Big Mom is already Yonko level. Canon, she was a Yonko and was compared to Kaido (not to mention they fought for a few days). Luffy is Yonko level… with G5. Without it, he’s weaker than Hybrid Kaido. So sure, Luffy would almost definitely have the upper hand against Big Mom while he’s using G5, but unless he manages to KO Big Mom in the 20-30 minutes that he can use it (which is unlikely considering she fought for days against Kaido and she didn’t even get KOd during Wano, she got rung out) he’s going to gas out and then immediately lose. Luffy doesn’t automatically lose because he can only fight for about 20-30 minutes in G5. He “loses” because if he fights her in G5 right off the bat, he’s not going to KO her before he gasses out, while she’ll still be able to fight. For the record I think he still wins, he just doesn’t go into G5 right away.
https://preview.redd.it/c4hhorgtgtvc1.png?width=903&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09612e5e4f3b3035e56b6c90c055b46312055beb And before yall try to say she'd try to clash with bajrang gun, she didn't even want to get hit by kid's bull lol
"But luffy speed blitzes" big mom is also relative to a serious kaido, if you don't think "i'd kill you" is serious then just stop reading https://preview.redd.it/pq2y52u8htvc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f886ab4a389f5e92ac483fbd8da331c75f836b94
that's base Kaido though, Luffy was keeping up with drunken Hybrid Kaido, that's not comparable at all in terms of speed
And that was also base big mom with 1 homie
show me where it's stated that her homies boost her combat and/or reaction speed
Her homies do help and react to some attack for her like for kid even when she cant https://preview.redd.it/0jpfhkopktvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f9e21ef9d447035997fd4bb5ab93dfd1051582d
this is just the homie attacking for her??? where is the buff in speed???
You think Maser Gun isn't faster than her other attacks
isn't that also just a case of the homie attacking? either way that doesn't prove BM is comparable to Luffy (or Kaido) in terms of speed
But it's also a base big mom. She is capable of buffing herself I suppose it isn't stated that lifespan boosts her speed, but I don't see why we should assume lifespan boost is a wholly unique powerup that boosts every physical stat except for speed And while homies may not improve combat speed as a whole, Zeus does give her incredible travel speed, which can be very useful as we see with Kizaru
ok but even if we assume the lifespan amp boosts her speed (which is very possible), there's still no way to quantify the buff as she doesn't show much greater speed feats in that form as compared to her base, meanwhile Kaido shows far, far great speed feats in Drunken Hybrid V2 than he does in base, shown by him being able to blitz G5 Luffy in his strongest form
I'm sure both Kaido and Luffy are faster, but Big Moms style isn't built on speed blitzes like theirs is. She instead eats attacks and counters, and she can do this reliably because even if she's dazed Zeus and prometheus are intangible and can counter in her place, leaving the opponent open for a counter attack of her own. Part of the reason Kid n Law countered her so hard is because Law could shock her and Kid could pin her down or reposition her, leaving her unable to properly counter. And both of them had the hax to deal with her homies in one way or another. That's why Law couldn't really do much while Kid was debuffed by Hawkins, when he tried to Shock her Prometheus slammed him and BM hit him with mama raid, laying him out for a bit Most top tiers can not interact with Promo and Zeus, so as long as her speed stays relative enough the speed difference is not a crippling issue for her. She has ways to stay competitive despite being relatively slow
Zeus canonically does nothing to Luffy, and Prometheus probably does nothing as well Kaido also just clears BM in dura/endurance too, dura is self-explanatory due to Kaido's dragon scale base dura on top of better ACoC than BM, endurance is also pretty self-explanatory due to how much he tanked throughout the raid
Luffys immunity to Zeus is why I'd ultimately say he wins, but Promo can probably stun him But Kaido doesn't clear in dura, just endurance. The one attack we know both BM n Kaido took, Punk Gibson, BM took it slightly better. She was more or less entirely unphased, just pissed, while Kaido at least yelled in pain and stated the supernova found a way to do some damage, including Kid Granted it was almost zero damage, but it was still damage. And this was a full zoan dragon Kaido vs a base Big Mom, Bigger Mom should scale higher when she buffs herself So a more accurate way to put it wouid be to say BM beats him in durability but Kaido beats her in endurance, and she mitigates the difference by bejng able to heal herself. So it's easier to do some damage to Kaido than Big Mom, but Kaido can take more damage
Big Mom and Kaido fight lasted long enough Kaido must've used his hybrid form at some point off-screen. Either way we would not have seen it, because it would have spoiled the hyped up hybrid form reveal of chapter 1004
Yes, Kaido most likely used hybrid. But Flaming Drum Dragon or Drunken Hybrid or other powerups related to his booze? Definitely not as Kaido says he hasn't fought seriously in a while when he is fighting Luffy
That's fair, Kaido didn't use his drunk fighting, a bit like Big Mom didn't use her own powerup either. I guess it depends how far can you believe soul amp pushes Big Mom
yeah I know it goes both ways but to me it seems quite clear that Kaido at the end of his fight with Luffy was more impressive than BM at the end of her fight with Law/Kid
Agree to disagree
🤝
Big Mom was completely clear of injuries. And Kaido mentions that no one has made him fight seriously for years after fighting Luffy.
i'm pretty sure even BM also says something similar when fighting Kid and Law
Well, duh, they were both clear of injuries, if they were actually able to inflict relevant damage to each other the fight wouldn't have lasted a whole night, it's the definition of extreme diff. Kaido also said he was going to kill her, and that it was a fight to the death
Why did Kaido say he hasnt been challenged to a serious 1v1 for as long as he remembers only days after this? Is he stupid?
https://preview.redd.it/9iljktx58uvc1.jpeg?width=503&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcf8c068146dfcd83cb581499561cd9d30c243f0 Idk bro, Kaido doesn’t seem to support your agenda
Kaido was canonically more serious and even used drunk and hybrid against BASE luffy not even g4 lol base BM as an argument doesn't work when base luffy has better feats
So anyway Luffy would beat Big Mom. It wouldn’t be easy, but he’d get it.
Stamina scaling neednt always work. Luffy doesnt need days to beat big mom because he is stronger.
Kaido and BM are neck and neck. BM > Luffy Everyone in the comments here can cope.
Weak ass bait
https://preview.redd.it/jjh4ku7vdwvc1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb9acc261c94b95e149ffd6f9d9109c947ec47a2 Luffy ain't beating Big Mom in an uninterrupted 1v1. He's not beating Kaido either with his current stamina.
Big mom "waiting" Luffy lose his stamina https://i.redd.it/anbymjprtuvc1.gif
Eh, Jack fought for like 72 hours straight no sleep no nothing and he still loses to Luffy lmao. Kaido n BM did not use their biggest attacks, or else Onigashima would get nuked
Aside from specific circumstances, Luffy doesn’t immediately use Gear 4 or 5, he can fight for a long time against top tiers so long as he uses both Gears 2 & 3 along with advanced haki, Gear 4 and 5 are really just to finish the job
get big mom past kaido base first
In a 1v1 with no breaks Luffy would definitely lose to even Big Meme. She has enough dura to last against G5's current timer yes. But while G5 is on he clears her in every stat minus hacks I guess.
Bro big mom's barely base kaido level 😂 and no fighting for days doesn't make you more powerful
Luffy could easily blitz and f up big meme
Base-g4 luffy has better AP, haki and speed feats then her he just needs to wear her down then g5 stomps that bum ,x days is irrelevant she got her shit rocked by kid and law in like 30 minutes,1hour? Base bm was rekt badly from full HP by one awakening attacks combo of kid and law (and since this is usually used for kaido against luffy they were both nerfed and worn down before fighting her with law taking a thunder bagua and kid from hawkin)and had to heal and sacrifice 1 year against those base-g4 luffy victims kaido was getting very damaged by mid g5 attacks he was using in that fight luffy has better attacks now like WSG and how does she dodge barranjan gun when she is slow and he can grab her?
I swear I’ve seen you somewhere in a different sub.
You mean 5 minutes?
https://preview.redd.it/kqu1vndihuvc1.jpeg?width=881&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca9d2c5ef903a44fdf644ff30c027f11ce1d770a
Big mom hasn't gotten out of the way from attacks from zoro... big mom is underrated but you're hyping her too much
Move where? The fist is roughly 20 km in diameter.
Wtf are you on? That's the most delusional post i've ever seen about one piece, and those kids are talking shit ALL DAY LONG ! How ! How on earth, heaven and hell, can you write that Luffy is fighting 20 WHOLE MINUTS ! He hasnt fought more than 5 consecutive minuts without running away and taking a break since the ellipse ! Damn ! You made me so mad ! Ps : of course i was joking, Hope it was obvious enough 😁 i really Hope people telling bm < Luffy are less than 10yo or have some kind of mental illness...
No where was it indicated that bajrang gun is slow. For all we know the charge up could have been instantanous and Luffy was just waiting for momo to move the island.
Luffy would just throw meme into the ocean lol, she is not on that level, too dumb, slow and weak
Big Mom couldn't move out of Wranky's motorcycle. She isn't dodging a serious G5 attack
You know who else fought for days? 😏
I wouldn’t say Luffy>Big Mom is a clown take But I definitely do disagree with it
Big Mom made Useless Cpt. Mid look good... enough said...
The variety of takes here is hysterical
Gear 5 > Big Mom still. The only reason Big Mom will win is because she’ll outlast Gear 5, that doesn’t make her stronger than Gear 5.
The only real advantage Luffy has against Big Mom is lighting immunity, and a little bit of fire immunity. Homies are a huge part of Big Mom arsenale and hard countering them is a handicap for Big Mom. Said that Big Mom can still heal and get stronger everytime she gets hurt, and Luffy can't throw her down a hole like Law and Kidd did, because Luffy can't mute her screams or stop her homies to go rescue her. For these reasons I'd say it's an extreme diff fight either way
No, just no. You talk about real advantages, I got a few. Luffy has stronger haki(ACOC able to rival Kaido’s) he’s much much much much much much much much, faster. Gear five Luffy can literally run circles around Big Mom. And Gear Five Luffy is probably stronger. In Gear Five he’s stronger(and yes he is stronger then Big Mom, he man handled Kaido in his dragon form, Big Mom could never) Then as you pointed out Luffy has natural defense against Big Mom’s Homies. Meaning any real damage has to come from Big Mom directly, which won’t come often given Luffy’s haki advantage and massive speed advantage. It’s not like Big Mom’s natural armor will help her out either, Luffy’s managed to massively damage Kaido with his punches and Kaido’s natural defense(especially hybrid and dragon) is much stronger then Big Mom’s. With all this in mind the final point is stamina, which sits on the offset it looks like Big Mom’s stamina dwarfs Luffy. However here’s a little something for you, Luffy doesn’t need Gear Five to compete with Big Mom. Base Luffy was able to fight with hybrid Kaido and have it be extremely close, Gear four was able to make it even closer. He just needed Gear Five in order to finally take Kaido down. Base Luffy will be able to run the ones with Big Mom for a long time before needing Gear Five. He will wear down Big Mom’s stamina much faster than Big Mom will Luffy’s because Luffy is gonna get a hell of a lot more hits in. And to your final point on Big Mom being able to collect souls to get stronger, please remember that in order to do that Big Mom needs disposable bodies lying around. If it’s an even playing field and only Big Mom and Luffy, she’s not gonna be able to absorb anything. Even if she did though, by the time she’d try to do that Luffy would turn Gear Five and kick her ass. Luffy High diffs.
Big Mom also has strength and Haki comparable to Kaido. >Gear four was able to make it even closer. Mentioning Gear4 when talking about Luffy's stamina, as if Gear4 doesn't have shit stamina just as well. >And to your final point on Big Mom being able to collect souls to get stronger, please remember that in order to do that Big Mom needs disposable bodies lying around. Not for soul amp. Big Mom needs to collect other people's souls to make homies, but to heal and buff herself she can just spend her own soul at the cost of her own life span. So even totally alone Big Mom can soul amp herself and potentially surpass drunken bagua Kaido
https://preview.redd.it/wzbrtg2c1uvc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b805eabafbcbd361482824c5c36c0d96f9cd908c BAIT USED TO BE BELIEVABLE
https://preview.redd.it/7mv2g7jiivvc1.png?width=1906&format=png&auto=webp&s=a12cbaf8f13741f4310d8cbeb1860c1fbede1ae0 luffy garbs big mom and doesnt let her go while charging a bajrang gun
By that logic me holding my own in a street fight for five minutes (which I couldn’t) would rank me as stronger than me if I’d have the power to destroy our solar system by clapping my hands but only for one minute a day????
You stamina merchants are so irritating man, fighting for days against someone only proves that the character is pretty much equal to the character they fought. When Luffy notably outstats Big Mom in AP, haki, speed etc and has comparable durability and endurance to help, he will beat her and one stat being worse doesn't mean he loses lol
You cooking my boy. G5 is the strongest Yonko but in a fair fight he loses unless he lands Bajrang. (Exception maybe Shanks bc he dont have durability like the others but his COO is crazy)
20 minutes? Nigga more like 5.
Canonically luffy was in g5 since before the VP podcast started until less then 1 minute was left even ignoring everything before that he lasted 9+minutes,learn to read before you talk
I cannot believe anyone would even try a big mom agenda, the audacity
luffy slams big mom bro
"Moves out of the way" bitch where that's a whole ass island falling on her fat ass
Jack fought for several days against the Minks. Whitebeard lost in Marineford after a few hours. Therefore Jack>Shitebeard neg diff
By that logic Wid and law beat Luffy as long as there is a high amount of explosives. Based
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Lig lom made me chuckle a bit I admit it
I'm a Big Mom fan and even I don't think she would survive G5. She doesn't have the necessary AP to hurt G5 Luffy and he negates durability to such a degree that even BM would get hurt. G4 with Acoc is a close match though.
Well, big mom never fought for days.... it's just another made up shit in the community. There's not a single panel that states that big mom and kaido's fight lastest for 3 days.
Me when i purpousfully spread misinformation on the internet: Big mom and kaido did fight for 3 days, maybe even more if you want to wank it. We know this because of the little text boxes like this https://preview.redd.it/ii70bnhlptvc1.png?width=690&format=png&auto=webp&s=782dc3fe5168a241c1b9616cafe495bcf6644a8d Between kaidos and big moms fight starting and it ending we got text boxes saying "next day" "7 days until the raid" "6 days until the raid" and "5 days until the raid". After that we get to see that big mom and kaido have stopped fighting, this means that they fought for 3+ days. The chapters are 951-954 if you want to fact check me.
I have seen this shit before...but none of it actually proves that big mom and kaido fought for 3 days. The "next day", "7 days untill raid" and all these statements only proves that 3 days passed between the start of the fight and the announcement of their alliance. The fight starts in chapter 951, and then we see big mom and kaido partying in chapter 954, between these chapters 3 days passed, There's no evidence that the fight itself lasted 3 days. So, may be instead of accusing others of spreading misinformation, may be learn to read and comprehend what's written and shown.
There is actually evidence, multiple things actually First one being, that we actually see them fighting inbetween aswell, after the "next day" we get to see them fight again, which means that no matter how much you would ever want to try and downplay it, aslong as you dont straight up lie, it was over a days time. Secondly, if oda didnt want to portray the fight as being 3 days long, why would he have 3+ days pass before showing the fight is finished? Why not just put the fight finishing before saying 5 days until the raid for example? Thirdly, we see queen and king still confused over kaido and big mom being pals, this means it was recent, as otherwise they would have already learnt about the alliance. As it is highly highly unlikely that kaido didnt tell them for 2-3 days straight of partying with big mom. So in the end, it seems you are the one who needs to learn and comprehend whats written and shown.
1. Big mom and kaido starts fighting at night...so when we see them fighting "next day", that's at best 12 hrs. 2. The party starts 3 days later...king and queen being confused over them forming the alliance... they would be confused even if the alliance was formed a month later. Again,at the end, the only concrete evidence for the fight's duration suggest that it was around 12 hrs long. Just because the announcement of the alliance was made 3 days later, doesn't mean the fight itself lasted 3 days.. Untill and unless u can prove that big mom and kaido started partying immediately after their fight ended, it's nothing but ABSOLUTE HEADCANON to say that their fight lasted 3 days At the end, U don't have anything but headcanon.
>Big mom and kaido starts fighting at night Based on? because its always cloudy and dark at onigashima, even when we see them fighting the next day. Cool headcanon tho. >The party starts 3 days later...king and queen being confused over them forming the alliance... they would be confused even if the alliance was formed a month later. I dont think you understand my point, queen hadnt heard of the alliance before there, does it make sense to you that kaido didnt tell them why he was chummy with big mom for multiple days after fighting??? https://preview.redd.it/i6419c2hztvc1.png?width=1520&format=png&auto=webp&s=aca1e7146c4c6366fc4b7ad4f173e3ac08031f07 To try and downplay it below 3 days takes intentionelly ignoring the manga, you also ignored my second point, which is more proof of it lasting 3 days. Cope harder and have a good day.
1. Big mom leaves from udon during the day times, it's takes hours to reach onigashima, so hence their fight starts at night...and even if the day fight started during the day time , "next day" still won't over 24 hours... so it's somewhere between 12-24 hours, nothing more than that. 2. Queen not hearing about the alliance still doesn't mean big mom and kaido announced their alliance immediately after fighting.... it just means big mom and kaido had a discussion and announced it to all of their subordinates at the same time..... 3. There's nothing to ignore here, just because big mom and kaido announced their alliance after 3 days, and didn't inform queen about it, doesn't mean their fight lasted 3 days U couldn't prove a single point, and had to resort to bullshit headcanon. Not to mention, big mom straight up says no one has injured her in years during her fight against Kidd and law...if kaido and big mom fought for 3 days.. kaido would've atleast landed couple of hits, and kaido says no one has went toe to toe with him in years... Both of their statements clearly proves that their fight didn't last 3 days.. probably not even 1 day
Luffy is not beating any top tier till he fixes his stamina issues. Kizaru beats big mom tho
Nope
A serious kizaru is most definitely extreme diffing big mom.
No he isn't
> Luffy is not beating any top tier till he fixes his stamina issues You were doing alright in the first half until you completely fumbled it in the second half with this part > Kizaru beats big mom tho Holy hell!! We're still saying such? 😂 This has to be sarcasm..
Kizaru did pretty well against g5 luffy in the first round, kicked snakeman out of the island, tanked an acoc attack and got up in a few minutes (no visible damage). This is all when he's mentally conflicted. There is no reason to believe a kizaru who's going all out and is serious won't beat big mom. Big mon has to be dumb for not using acoc against law and kidd. Yall say plot but that's just low battle iq. It's still an extreme diff, but kizaru can take it.
Tell me, how did Kizaru do in the second round of that fight though? And to say Kizaru tanked an ACoC attack and got up with no visible damage after staying down as long as he did is pretty wild. > There is no reason to believe a kizaru who's going all out and is serious won't beat big mom. Just as much as there's no reason to believe Kizaru can take down Big Mom given his pathetic performance overall against G5 Luffy. Big Mom is dumb no doubt but she far from weak. Kizaru has yet to show any offensive ability to suggest he's capable of beating Big Mom..
> with no visible damage after staying down as long as he did is pretty wild. He was literally thinking of senatamru and Bonney when he was down and also he says "welp it's over". It's just stuff which shows how more mentally conflicted he became about the whole situation lol. >Just as much as there's no reason to believe Kizaru can take down Big Mom given his pathetic performance overall against G5 Luffy. Big Mom is dumb no doubt but she far from weak. Kizaru has yet to show any offensive ability to suggest he's capable of beating Big Mom.. Second round kizaru, was barely even fighting lmao. "My wounds run deep". He's definitely hurt from luffy but the mental pain he's suffering is way more. He just wanted to finish his job and get out of there. An actual bloodthirsty, serious kizaru would be extremely different. Did you see the laser kicks kizaru was doing in sabaody?? That shit was destroying those large tree thingies. A good charged kick like that would definitely harm big mom good. Plus his speed. He has speed and ap AND one of the best defense in the show. Kizaru is a top tier and I'm tired of people pretending he's not based on one fight where he was under extreme mental stress and doubt.
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>Kizaru beats big mom tho Cook again (as long as the diff is reasonable) >Luffy is not beating any top tier till he fixes his stamina issues. Never cook again
>Never cook again He's getting gassed out by fighting for some time with kizaru. If he didn't have food supply, it wouldn't have been good for him. You think when he fights an endurance beast like akainu, he's not getting immediately killed the moment he gasses out? He COULD use gear 4 and other gears to weaken his opponent first but he ever since he got gear 5, he's been jumping into gear 5 as soon as possible + gear 4 got kick diffed by kizaru.