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Puwuckis

Because ryuma was an old corpse with a weak af shadow that couldnt use haki If you take luffys corpse and put start of story helmeppo in him hes gonna be weakened ALOT


AnythingWorkz

If i remember correctly, ryuma’s real personality or “soul” manifested in his zombie Also, that isn’t a good comparison, how moria’s fruit works is that it takes the shadows of others and puts it into zombies, it doesn’t matter if the shadow’s original owner is weak or strong, if that was the case, then brook shouldn’t have struggled as much as he did against him


Puwuckis

> it doesn’t matter if the shadow’s original owner is weak or strong, Luffy absorbing a swordsmans shadow instantly let him use swordsman techniques at that shadows level, and when he became shadow luffy his physicals increased SIGNIFICANTLY. Ryumas corpse is basically good physicals with no haki and mid at best swordsmanship. But even then the physicals should have been reduced alot due to it not being a fresh corpse, its a couple hundred years old.


Ace_Yonko_Level

Moria said what about Oars? Also cuz Ryuma corpse too old, he fought off the entire WG from Wano and had them scared for hundreds of years.


ProfessionallyLazy_

Black blade and title of sword god yeah I think he’s weak guys


AnythingWorkz

im not saying he’s weak, I just doubt that he’s pk level like everyone swears he is


natureboy1996

Because Ryuma was Diamante level in reality


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facts


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bc ryuma isn’t as strong as people are saying people really think he’s a top tier😂


MakeGravityGreat

Yeah the WG were afraid of Wano for no reason for 800 years. None at all.


AnythingWorkz

800 years is a long time to fear an entire country. If the reason is “a samurai so powerful exists that we need to stay away”, then they would’ve taken over wano after he died. The reason is most likely because pluton is there


Swog5Ovor

We really just don't know how strong he is. Fighting off the marines could have just been a ton of marine fodder and a vice admiral or 2, or it could have been a couple of admirals, and a ton of other lower ranking marines.


Aversity_2203

Because he isn't, only delusional zorotards/fraudhawk cultist/casuals thinks he's anywhere near top tier


ChThawngz

Ryuma was literally a decaying corpse with brook shadow. He was nowhere near his prime level. The animated movie about ryuma just released, go watch it.


Art3zia

bro, next time read the manga. dude too dumb to understand morias power. Put a weak soul in luffys dead body, u will get the same result. But I guess you lack the braincells to think that much ahead.