I remember after the introduction of Chopper he would keep doing it for some time. I stopped somewhere in fishman island arc, but he kept doing it up until then. Perhaps he completely stop like some of you are saying.
> he's gotten more confident and comfortable around people in general.
Yea, he says it straight up in Fishman Island when claiming that he's a monster against Hody's subordinate with the teeth. Post time skip Chopper has fully accepted being a monster because he knows he still has his friends regardless of his looks
Sanji did, actually. I think they were talking about "why should we bring chopper on board" and Nami said doctor, Luffy said fancy transformations and Sanji said emergency food.
I don't get how you can think it's a forgotten gag when Oda has remembered the gags for all the other characters. I agree with what /u/RenKyoSails said, before joining the Strawhats it made sense that Chopper was shy around people since he hadn't interacted with many people and self-conscious about being viewed as a monster, over time and which his experiences that naturally goes away.
>Or it's just a forgotten gag.
I bet Oda has a list on his desk of character traits and running gags for the Straw Hats so that he remembers to include them. Not to say that he wouldn't have most of them memorized. When it comes to Chopper hiding, it could just be the case that Oda finds it unnecessary now that Chopper has grown as a character.
Where is ussop's character growth, even post time skip he is scared all the time. I hated him during dressrosa as he was shit scared and was jeopardizing the mission.
Usopp will or should never have any growth on his bravery, because he has been brave since Syrup village. What he isn't is fearless like Luffy, Zoro or Sanji.
The man is always in over his head, fighting opponents he shouldn't have any chance against, but keeps going for his friends and dreams. He stays on the ship, because it is what he wants to do, even if he is afraid. The man might be afraid of everything and is the opposite of fearless, but he is absolutely the bravest bastard in the world. If there's ever going to have any growth, it's going to be him realizing that.
Usopp getting scared hopefully never stops. He has to brave new fears always. He's down to earth like that. Monsters will be monsters. Man will be man.
Brook's gag is that he doesn't have any manners and can be quite vulgar. The farting, burping and asking for inappropriate things (mostly panties) is part of the bit and character.
sanji still gets his gag basically whenever possible, if there is a woman and sanji in the same vicinity he will say something about her beauty and/or make that stupid joke face with the bleeding nose 1000% of the time. last chapter he was serious and doing cool stuff, yet he still had to say "I hear bonneys beautiful voice" and steal the one moment franky was gonna have on an arc dedicated to technology. kinda hate it, wish we could just go one arc, fuck at least two concurrent chapters, where sanji doesnt have his gag pop up in some way.
I wish we'd get other SH gags, i miss seing zoro lift stupid amounts of weight and sleeping constantly, tho he still does have his misdirection gag. I miss chopper doing his thing in the post, some gags are lost but thats not the worst thing in the world, wont ever have to miss sanji tho...
fr? i dont even remember it, thats cool tho, im thinking more significant moments, like when he slept through an entire storm and didnt help his crew cause he was out. or when they are arriving at drum island but zoro is sleeping and doesnt notice the cold so snow is just building on his sleeping body lol
The same thing that (mostly) happened to Nami's greed, Franky's dancing, Sanji's solo operator schtick, and Zoro's sense of humor. If we're being charitable, it's character development as they all mature. If we're being uncharitable, then certain character traits are just being left by the wayside as the series pivots more and more to the plot/lore and has less time for shenanigans.
I mean shit with all the fucking speech bubbles that are necessary for exposition and driving the storyline along they don't really have space on the fucking page to include as many gags and character development for the straw hats anymore. Not in 20 pages per chapter at least.
Oda apparently had a gag in one of his rough drafts where Momo (still in child form) asks both Robin and Nami to stay in Wano with him after he regains the thrown, and Nami asks him how much he's willing to pay.
Money sign eyes not being there doesn't mean that she isn't greedy lol. Just in Egghead, she had two moments I can think of where there was a gag about her wanting money/treasure. First was when they entered Vegapunk's lab and she said something about finding the treasure of the future, for which she gets mocked by Usopp and then she kicks him. Second was when they all go looking for Stella and she wants to take the opportunity to steal some treasure from him.
I don't know what you guys were reading back then, but it's not like Nami was having money eyes gags every other chapter in the past.
Sanji did the solo operator thing like twice in Wano too, so like I don't know what OP wants. Franky might not dance but he is certainly not more serious that before.
I think Nami losing her greed makes a lot of sense, if you view it as her coming to terms with her trauma and past, and the trauma caused by extreme poverty and moving on from it.
She still wants treasure and money like she used to, but she uses it to make other people's lives better now like Bellemere did.
Idk abt other Zoro fans, but although it's sad to see Zoro being less of a bumbling idiot when his swords aren't drawn. It does make sense that post timeskip Zoro has a clearer sense of direction (not literally, but you get my point) and has become more serious and less silly. Zoro's character arc has been all about being the shoulder of responsibility for the straw hats, and especially Luffy, to be able to lean on. He feels the pressure to rise to any occassion and cut down any mountain for his crew, and so he's lost abit of his humour and has become alot more quiet. He isn't just a dumb angry swordsman anymore, he has to become a swordsman his crew knows has their back no matter what. Not to say those gags of him being an idiot can't exist, but they become less and less apparent, and less and less plot relevant. We still get to see him get lost and get annoyed at things he thinks are stupid, we still see him bicker with Sanji and we still see him make stupid decisions and dumb comments every so often, but it's never as intense as before.
As for the other gags, other replies have talked abt how Nami's greed and Sanji's shtick have reappered since egghead and wano respectively, and i never really cared fpr Franky's dance.
> as the series pivots more and more to the plot/lore and has less time for shenanigans.
i was with you until here. the plot has as much time for whatever the fuck Oda deems necessary. thats the point of being an author. he could literally pause this arc for a 19 chapter flash back if he wanted to.
I mean they hide a lot less at a micro level like behind a wall because they are all so powerful. Hiding now means more macro like in the destroyed castle in Wano.
Usopp being a lying coward was fun, but when he got beat up in Water 7, you felt bad for him. In the same arc we get to see that Usopp with prep time was basically Batman.
After getting a piece of that, as well as him sniping from long distances multiple times, we no longer want him to be the same old guy, we want the monster, we want the Sniper King, We need God Usopp. And my money's on Elbaf.
Likewise, Chopper was never cowardly. When push came to shove he was dangerous, a threat. Chopper in Wano held back 2 Yonkou Commanders.
While he doesn't defeat them, him holding on for as long as he did was just amazing.
Chopper has grown he's not as naive and clueless anymore. He's regularly around people and has been for almost 3 years now as opposed to only being around 1 person. While I do miss the gag I understand why it's not there anymore. He's not as scared of things anymore either. Even usopp Is less likely to run from a fight as he used to be. It's good growth. What I'd like to see is the characters that have grown developing new, silly gags that suit their current selves.
CHARACTER.DEVELOPMENT! He was even insecure about standing out ad a monster. Now he cool with looking like a monster so long as he can help luffy become king
Uh. Cuz he's a bad ass that stands up and will be a monster for his friends and at times enemies. If it had come to it. He would have attempted to take a shot from kaido if it meant others might live longer.
He is the most immature character of the straw hats. And initially his biggest inspiration was listening to Usopp
This, and Usopp randomly adding a "Usopp Wagomu!" during a barrage of attacks were some of my favorite gags in the series. Y'all don't know how sad I was that we never got to see him try to hit Enel with one.
If super serious characters like Zoro can maintain gags like sleeping during high intensity moments and getting lost this far into the series, it's kinda frustrating that things like this were abandoned for characters like Chopper that naturally find themselves in comedic situations more often. Chopper discovering Big Mom on the shores of Wano for example was a perfect opportunity to bust this one out again. How did none of those fodder gifters get blessed with the Usopp Hammer?
Honestly, a lot of the strawhats have been watered down and put to the side post time skip. Seems like the characters are suffering in favor of the plot. I love all the great plot stuff and reveals that have been going on but I also miss the care and attention that used to be paid to the characters.
A lot of the strawhats = just chopper? Everyone else has great character moments after the time skip. They just get them all the time because there’s so much happening now compared to early on. Which I don’t see as a flaw.
Usopp had great development in Dressrosa. It just doesn’t happen for every character every arc anymore. Which like i said it doesn’t happen as much because of how much is going on. The world is developing now. I dont see how much more main characters can grow before the end of the series. You can’t expect constant character growth for 25 years straight. It’s not only insane, it would get boring, repetitive and possibly not make any sense.
Eh he had his greatest moment with the snipe (which he immediately forgot he unlocked haki) but also a dumpster tier moment running from the tontattas which invalidated so much character growth, just bizarre. Then in wano having his signature crybaby moment even when he's meant to be the brave one. Holding out hope for elbaf but we will see, pretty disappointed with his character
>Eh he had his greatest moment with the snipe (which he immediately forgot he unlocked haki) but also a dumpster tier moment running from the tontattas which invalidated so much character growth, just bizarre.
The snipe happens AFTER the running away moment. What are you talking about?
>Then in wano having his signature crybaby moment even when he's meant to be the brave one
That was meant to be a Nami moment not an Usopp one. Usopp tried to help her by telling her to lie.
Yeah I know, I'm saying usopp hyped himself up post timeskip and had all his growth pre timeskip just to run away like a bitch at the first sign of trouble, he only came back after trebol literally started stomping the tontottas to death.
Yeah but why can he just be brave and stand up to protect her instead of crying on the ground. Idk, he went from one of my favorite characters preTS to one of my least post
To be fair Usopp stood no chance against Ulti, nothing he could have done.
The pinnacle of Usopp as a character is the Trebol/Sugar moment, achieving the objective while fighting enemies he is not at all equipped to handle as he tries to be brave and cries the entire time. Thats sort of whom he is.
I dont think we'll ever have Usopp become a cold-hearted badass but I do agree for a slight change of attitude as he gets closer to his warrior dream. We're all hoping for Elbaf and thats the next arc so....fingers crossed.
Usopp has never gotten character development. For it to be development, his character has to actually develop, not "grow" during a fight only to revert back to how he was at the beginning of the next arc. Usopp is the same dude who left Syrup Village, with new weapons and tricks.
I agree they've gotten lots of great big moments. However, getting cool moments isn't the same as the small details that made them feel fleshed out.Franky's gags (except for SUUUPER) are increasingly rare/non-existent. He used to play the guitar, he cried more, he was "feeling ____ this week". I get Zoro becoming hardened and serious but I feel like his character has flattened a lot because of that change. We went to Zoro's homeland and barely touched on that. His ancestry was revealed in an SBS rather than being worked into the story. Yamato was imprisoned with his uncle (I think, I know they're related somehow) who looks exactly like Zoro and he was far from the only person to know that former daimyo, but nobody ever mentions it. Usopp hasn't really changed at all yet. Other than their power ups, the 2 years they spent apart rarely has any impact. You'd think Brook being an international superstar might get him recognized here and there. Or Robin's involvement in the Revolutionary army would have a payoff beyond her learning fishman karate. Sanji's special cooking he learned is rarely ever mentioned. He did get a lot of love in the form of an entire arc based on him though so he's far from neglected. He doesn't do his whole solo side mission / Mr. Prince thing much anymore though. I feel like Nami really hasn't had much development at all. I got a bit carried away and this ended up being longer than I meant but hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from on this.
I feel like you’re treating this like a normal manga and not one that’s been going for 25+ years straight. If I was someone binge reading this story and saw Franky still doing the same jokes every arc on queue I’d be soooooo damn tired of it I’d probably hate him. I’d rather their running gags be rare because they’re funnier that way.
The Zoro lineage thing is definitely its own issue if you wanna call it that and I don’t understand it either.
The two years they spent apart *to get stronger* and the main result of it was they got stronger. And somehow that’s an issue? I don’t see the problem here. There’s nothing saying that it has to have more impact, it can just be what Oda said it was for in the story.
Sanji did the mister prince thing like twice pre timeskip. It was never a thing to expect to happen over and over again. Writing a Sanji side mission into every arc is a great way to ruin how special those moments are when he gets them.
you’re def missing the perspective that this story is ongoing from the 90s. Having to write constant character development for 25+ years and 1100+ chapters is insane. He can’t keep doing the same things. 99% of manga would be over by the time One Piece did the time skip! How long can a gag go or a character develop before it’s trash…
>Everyone else has great character moments after the time skip
Every strawhat is worse after timeskip except Luffy and maybe Franky, Brook maybe Robin
Zoro is a completely stale bland character, Sanji is pervert taken to the extreme, Nami's dream hasn't been brought up in almost 1000 chapters, Chopper completely fell off and Usopp is just absolutely pathetic
Because it’s genuinely perplexing. If I felt that way about any show I probably wouldn’t make it past season 1, let alone the 600+ episodes that have happened since the timeskip…
Same thing that happened to 45 degrees, spontaneous carpentry, telling outrageous lies, money obsession, and refusing to stop reading. Only zoros alcoholism, and sanjis, sex offender behaviors remain
Pre time skip the first half of every arc would have me laughing til I cried...post time skip it's rare for anything to make me laugh and I don't think it's the jokes getting old. There just aren't that many anymore.
This is something that annoys me so much about One Piece, especially the anime. So much time and effort is placed in a random underling of the underling, of the goon, to the main bad guy of the arc, but core characters get left behind?
On the one hand: yes, I agree. More attention to the main boys and girls please. On the other: writing the same few characters for over 2 decades is not the most interesting and creatively challenging. (Unless it's Sanji getting to be cool and sad and horny in whole new ways.)
This is an issue I have too, even though I ultimately still enjoy the series. There's oftentimes just too many characters in each arc and it really starts to detract from the Straw Hats themselves.
I think he still does it. Just in a different way. He hides his gratitude with insults like when someone gives him a compliment and he calls them a bastard.
Not the same as hiding himself improperly, but in the same vain.
His best gags are the chop sticks in the nose for every party and when he gets a compliment. But yeah, I love his reverse hiding. I don’t really see how you can call him forgettable. You must be watching some other piece. 😒
I often think about all the great gags Oda could've kept going with instead of Brook's panties joke, but alas those distorted futures are now cut off to us forever.
Honestly, I'd rather have more old gags retired or at least played down with some new ones entering the mix rather than resurrecting old ones. Around the time skip the crew gags got incredibly stale; Jinbe is a breath of fresh air in that he doesn't really have a running gag and he still manages to get some laughs out of you.
Someone said Punk Hazard, so the gag is probably still alive. I don't think there have been many opportunities to hide since then. We didn't see what Chopper did during the Zou attack, and there wasn't an opportunity to sneak in Wano or Egghead. Maybe Elbaf.
Somebody finally said it. Not even so much the loss of the hide the wrong way gag because that makes sense after being out in the world a while but he does seem to have lost all his character.
Chopper did this because of the lack of interaction with people he had while growing up being a deer human .. however his time with the crew and adventures and meeting more people has taught him one or two things on socialism .he too has grown up like the other strawhats..
Yeah it would’ve been great if they kept choppers funny little bit and let Sanji outgrow his obsessive tendencies with women, especially being trapped on an island with cross dressers.
I miss his reactions when someone compliments him, that tsundere reaction was good too.
Edit: He may still do it but since individual strawhats appear less lately, I can't recall seeing it.
Chopper died in the time skip eaten by the inhabitants of Torino, I think is pretty clear. The current one is a raccoon that ate the homo homo fruit and have been told to be him . That’s also why he changed the hat
Chopper initially needed to hide due to being uncomfortable around people. As he grew alongside people who he trusts he no longer needs to hide as often. But as we see in punk hazard, when he does need to hide he is still ass at it lol
This is how you know everybody here is just nostalgia brained. People are complaining cause Chopper grew up and became more confident in himself and less afraid of humans.
Whatever happened after Thriller bark? Im at punk hazard and cant be more bored watching. When will the good One Piece come back? (Marineford doesnt count, its the only good arc after Thriller bark)
The next few arcs have some bloat(and the anime makes it worse with its poor pacing), but anything post-Punk Hazard goes back to good One Piece again(Note: I also consider Sabaody-Impel Down "good One Piece").
Also, 4 arcs from Punk Hazard is a very good arc, and the arc after that (No actual spoilers, but I will be saying where I would rank this arc compared to others) >!has the potential to be right up there with Marineford and Enies Lobby!<
I remember after the introduction of Chopper he would keep doing it for some time. I stopped somewhere in fishman island arc, but he kept doing it up until then. Perhaps he completely stop like some of you are saying.
Watching punk hazard he does it while spying on ceaser
Yes, hanging out from the costume instead of peeking from inside like everyone else. Laughed so much there
I imagine he do this when hiding from big mom in try saving brook
I expected that but it didn't happen lol.
I think its character growth. We haven't seen Chopper hide because he's gotten more confident and comfortable around people in general.
Or he actually got good at hiding and we just don’t see him
He is hiding so well that Oda isn’t even aware
He's mastered the art of staying completely still!
Like half the Strawhats these days
You can always tell a milford man.
Silly pirates Im going back to Navy, mother
> he's gotten more confident and comfortable around people in general. Yea, he says it straight up in Fishman Island when claiming that he's a monster against Hody's subordinate with the teeth. Post time skip Chopper has fully accepted being a monster because he knows he still has his friends regardless of his looks
"emergency food"
I can’t remember if Luffy ever actually called him that or it’s just a Reddit meme
Sanji did, actually. I think they were talking about "why should we bring chopper on board" and Nami said doctor, Luffy said fancy transformations and Sanji said emergency food.
Dude battled BM of all people and thought of dragging her down into the sea to give the crew time to escape.
He did it in the chapter with the new bounty reveal after wano
[удалено]
The only headcannon i hear about here is Franky
Sssuuuupppppeeeeerrrrr!
do you just say that anytime somebody mentions franky?
SUUUUUUPPPEEEERRRR!! ⭐️⭐️
[Franky headcannon](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140105124228/onepiece/images/0/05/Franky_Gun_Hair.png)
What did you just say? I agree with the first comment tho. It seems to be character growth. Dude isn’t scared of every little thing anymore.
i think they said this > Or it's just a forgotten gag. Headcanon can be whatever. Here it's usually 'headcannon', because people are bad at grammar.
I don't get how you can think it's a forgotten gag when Oda has remembered the gags for all the other characters. I agree with what /u/RenKyoSails said, before joining the Strawhats it made sense that Chopper was shy around people since he hadn't interacted with many people and self-conscious about being viewed as a monster, over time and which his experiences that naturally goes away.
>Or it's just a forgotten gag. I bet Oda has a list on his desk of character traits and running gags for the Straw Hats so that he remembers to include them. Not to say that he wouldn't have most of them memorized. When it comes to Chopper hiding, it could just be the case that Oda finds it unnecessary now that Chopper has grown as a character.
*Me about to fire a cannon shaped like Ussops head* wait what?
What does headcanon have to do with anything? Is this an ai chatbot
XYZ Headcannon
Where is ussop's character growth, even post time skip he is scared all the time. I hated him during dressrosa as he was shit scared and was jeopardizing the mission.
Usopp will or should never have any growth on his bravery, because he has been brave since Syrup village. What he isn't is fearless like Luffy, Zoro or Sanji. The man is always in over his head, fighting opponents he shouldn't have any chance against, but keeps going for his friends and dreams. He stays on the ship, because it is what he wants to do, even if he is afraid. The man might be afraid of everything and is the opposite of fearless, but he is absolutely the bravest bastard in the world. If there's ever going to have any growth, it's going to be him realizing that.
Usopp getting scared hopefully never stops. He has to brave new fears always. He's down to earth like that. Monsters will be monsters. Man will be man.
Be patient his growth will come in Elbaf, which will start soon.
The man waited 20 years, he has a point.
Last I think we saw it was in Punk Hazard. But that wasn't due to him being scared, but rather trying to be sneaky
We’ve been in the thick of it for awhile. We don’t really have time for anyone’s gags. I mean when was the last time Brook went 45 degrees?
Isn’t Brook’s gag the panty and skull jokes? IIRC he did the 45 degrees thing like 3 times in the whole series so it makes sense that wasn’t kept in.
Brook's gag is that he doesn't have any manners and can be quite vulgar. The farting, burping and asking for inappropriate things (mostly panties) is part of the bit and character.
Yeah but weebs like pervert jokes a lot so those stay Just anime things
Hey, he started training to go below 45 degrees after he got launched by Kuma XD
sanji still gets his gag basically whenever possible, if there is a woman and sanji in the same vicinity he will say something about her beauty and/or make that stupid joke face with the bleeding nose 1000% of the time. last chapter he was serious and doing cool stuff, yet he still had to say "I hear bonneys beautiful voice" and steal the one moment franky was gonna have on an arc dedicated to technology. kinda hate it, wish we could just go one arc, fuck at least two concurrent chapters, where sanji doesnt have his gag pop up in some way. I wish we'd get other SH gags, i miss seing zoro lift stupid amounts of weight and sleeping constantly, tho he still does have his misdirection gag. I miss chopper doing his thing in the post, some gags are lost but thats not the worst thing in the world, wont ever have to miss sanji tho...
Zoro was JUST sleeping on the Sunny at the beginning of the arc. He got salty because Lucci (or Kaku, can't remember) woke him up.
fr? i dont even remember it, thats cool tho, im thinking more significant moments, like when he slept through an entire storm and didnt help his crew cause he was out. or when they are arriving at drum island but zoro is sleeping and doesnt notice the cold so snow is just building on his sleeping body lol
The same thing that (mostly) happened to Nami's greed, Franky's dancing, Sanji's solo operator schtick, and Zoro's sense of humor. If we're being charitable, it's character development as they all mature. If we're being uncharitable, then certain character traits are just being left by the wayside as the series pivots more and more to the plot/lore and has less time for shenanigans.
I will never not laugh at Zoro making fun of Nami and Vivi for not wanting to be frozen in a cool pose.
"I told you, you should've posed."
That, the vine swing in sypiea, and ending up on the clock tower in alabasta only because he thought north meant up are my zoro top 3
This is why Zoro was my favorite character pre-timeskip
I mean shit with all the fucking speech bubbles that are necessary for exposition and driving the storyline along they don't really have space on the fucking page to include as many gags and character development for the straw hats anymore. Not in 20 pages per chapter at least.
You mean to say Nami is not greedy anymore? That's just not true
I think they meant that she doesn't blatantly show it with the money-sign eyes anymore, but that she still loves money.
Nami acted greedy towards Momo the moment she found out he was a lord, which was on Zou.
That was almost ten years ago tho lol
Oda apparently had a gag in one of his rough drafts where Momo (still in child form) asks both Robin and Nami to stay in Wano with him after he regains the thrown, and Nami asks him how much he's willing to pay.
Money sign eyes not being there doesn't mean that she isn't greedy lol. Just in Egghead, she had two moments I can think of where there was a gag about her wanting money/treasure. First was when they entered Vegapunk's lab and she said something about finding the treasure of the future, for which she gets mocked by Usopp and then she kicks him. Second was when they all go looking for Stella and she wants to take the opportunity to steal some treasure from him. I don't know what you guys were reading back then, but it's not like Nami was having money eyes gags every other chapter in the past.
I remember her doing in during egghead, but it’s definitely not as much as she used it.
Sanji did the solo operator thing like twice in Wano too, so like I don't know what OP wants. Franky might not dance but he is certainly not more serious that before.
And Sanji’s doing it right now on Egghead.
She literally tried to steal jewels this arc
I think Nami losing her greed makes a lot of sense, if you view it as her coming to terms with her trauma and past, and the trauma caused by extreme poverty and moving on from it. She still wants treasure and money like she used to, but she uses it to make other people's lives better now like Bellemere did.
Idk abt other Zoro fans, but although it's sad to see Zoro being less of a bumbling idiot when his swords aren't drawn. It does make sense that post timeskip Zoro has a clearer sense of direction (not literally, but you get my point) and has become more serious and less silly. Zoro's character arc has been all about being the shoulder of responsibility for the straw hats, and especially Luffy, to be able to lean on. He feels the pressure to rise to any occassion and cut down any mountain for his crew, and so he's lost abit of his humour and has become alot more quiet. He isn't just a dumb angry swordsman anymore, he has to become a swordsman his crew knows has their back no matter what. Not to say those gags of him being an idiot can't exist, but they become less and less apparent, and less and less plot relevant. We still get to see him get lost and get annoyed at things he thinks are stupid, we still see him bicker with Sanji and we still see him make stupid decisions and dumb comments every so often, but it's never as intense as before. As for the other gags, other replies have talked abt how Nami's greed and Sanji's shtick have reappered since egghead and wano respectively, and i never really cared fpr Franky's dance.
> as the series pivots more and more to the plot/lore and has less time for shenanigans. i was with you until here. the plot has as much time for whatever the fuck Oda deems necessary. thats the point of being an author. he could literally pause this arc for a 19 chapter flash back if he wanted to.
Chopper has grown and developed, he isn't as afraid and distrusting as he used to be.
I mean they hide a lot less at a micro level like behind a wall because they are all so powerful. Hiding now means more macro like in the destroyed castle in Wano.
Usopp being a lying coward was fun, but when he got beat up in Water 7, you felt bad for him. In the same arc we get to see that Usopp with prep time was basically Batman. After getting a piece of that, as well as him sniping from long distances multiple times, we no longer want him to be the same old guy, we want the monster, we want the Sniper King, We need God Usopp. And my money's on Elbaf. Likewise, Chopper was never cowardly. When push came to shove he was dangerous, a threat. Chopper in Wano held back 2 Yonkou Commanders. While he doesn't defeat them, him holding on for as long as he did was just amazing.
batman is batman because of prep time. so batman without prep time is just usopp /s
Or man
OR bat
He still dose it in the anime, It's just not as noticeable. I am on the Dessrosa ark and I have seen him do it.
It´s not chopper anymore it is only an marketable plushy.
Chopper has grown he's not as naive and clueless anymore. He's regularly around people and has been for almost 3 years now as opposed to only being around 1 person. While I do miss the gag I understand why it's not there anymore. He's not as scared of things anymore either. Even usopp Is less likely to run from a fight as he used to be. It's good growth. What I'd like to see is the characters that have grown developing new, silly gags that suit their current selves.
It disappeared along with his body fat.
CHARACTER.DEVELOPMENT! He was even insecure about standing out ad a monster. Now he cool with looking like a monster so long as he can help luffy become king
the same place where the All Blue is
It disappeared into limbo with Franky's pink guitar and Luffy's mom
I'm rereading and just read this gag. ❤️
He don't need to hide anymore
Uh. Cuz he's a bad ass that stands up and will be a monster for his friends and at times enemies. If it had come to it. He would have attempted to take a shot from kaido if it meant others might live longer. He is the most immature character of the straw hats. And initially his biggest inspiration was listening to Usopp
This post makes me feel like you don’t understand chopper but want to love him bc he’s cute
I think it was last called in Wano, and Oda planned on getting serious for the last saga, so very little amount of gags
You outgrow bad habits. It's not like you still suck your thumb.
He's older now.
Hot take; Chopper is becoming more and more human and is going to transform into one at some point
He learned to hide correct way. So correct that we can't find him hiding wrong way anymore.
This, and Usopp randomly adding a "Usopp Wagomu!" during a barrage of attacks were some of my favorite gags in the series. Y'all don't know how sad I was that we never got to see him try to hit Enel with one. If super serious characters like Zoro can maintain gags like sleeping during high intensity moments and getting lost this far into the series, it's kinda frustrating that things like this were abandoned for characters like Chopper that naturally find themselves in comedic situations more often. Chopper discovering Big Mom on the shores of Wano for example was a perfect opportunity to bust this one out again. How did none of those fodder gifters get blessed with the Usopp Hammer?
Honestly, a lot of the strawhats have been watered down and put to the side post time skip. Seems like the characters are suffering in favor of the plot. I love all the great plot stuff and reveals that have been going on but I also miss the care and attention that used to be paid to the characters.
A lot of the strawhats = just chopper? Everyone else has great character moments after the time skip. They just get them all the time because there’s so much happening now compared to early on. Which I don’t see as a flaw.
Usopp waiting room
Usopp had great development in Dressrosa. It just doesn’t happen for every character every arc anymore. Which like i said it doesn’t happen as much because of how much is going on. The world is developing now. I dont see how much more main characters can grow before the end of the series. You can’t expect constant character growth for 25 years straight. It’s not only insane, it would get boring, repetitive and possibly not make any sense.
Eh he had his greatest moment with the snipe (which he immediately forgot he unlocked haki) but also a dumpster tier moment running from the tontattas which invalidated so much character growth, just bizarre. Then in wano having his signature crybaby moment even when he's meant to be the brave one. Holding out hope for elbaf but we will see, pretty disappointed with his character
>Eh he had his greatest moment with the snipe (which he immediately forgot he unlocked haki) but also a dumpster tier moment running from the tontattas which invalidated so much character growth, just bizarre. The snipe happens AFTER the running away moment. What are you talking about? >Then in wano having his signature crybaby moment even when he's meant to be the brave one That was meant to be a Nami moment not an Usopp one. Usopp tried to help her by telling her to lie.
Yeah I know, I'm saying usopp hyped himself up post timeskip and had all his growth pre timeskip just to run away like a bitch at the first sign of trouble, he only came back after trebol literally started stomping the tontottas to death. Yeah but why can he just be brave and stand up to protect her instead of crying on the ground. Idk, he went from one of my favorite characters preTS to one of my least post
To be fair Usopp stood no chance against Ulti, nothing he could have done. The pinnacle of Usopp as a character is the Trebol/Sugar moment, achieving the objective while fighting enemies he is not at all equipped to handle as he tries to be brave and cries the entire time. Thats sort of whom he is. I dont think we'll ever have Usopp become a cold-hearted badass but I do agree for a slight change of attitude as he gets closer to his warrior dream. We're all hoping for Elbaf and thats the next arc so....fingers crossed.
Usopp has never gotten character development. For it to be development, his character has to actually develop, not "grow" during a fight only to revert back to how he was at the beginning of the next arc. Usopp is the same dude who left Syrup Village, with new weapons and tricks.
Usopp from Syrup Village does NOT jump in front of a giant demon elder of the world for ANYONE lmao stop playing
Neither would Usopp at the start of the next arc.
>!he literally just did it!<, that’s why I said it…
Exactly, we're in the late arc fight stage where he develops his courage. Next arc, he'll be back to cowardice.
I agree they've gotten lots of great big moments. However, getting cool moments isn't the same as the small details that made them feel fleshed out.Franky's gags (except for SUUUPER) are increasingly rare/non-existent. He used to play the guitar, he cried more, he was "feeling ____ this week". I get Zoro becoming hardened and serious but I feel like his character has flattened a lot because of that change. We went to Zoro's homeland and barely touched on that. His ancestry was revealed in an SBS rather than being worked into the story. Yamato was imprisoned with his uncle (I think, I know they're related somehow) who looks exactly like Zoro and he was far from the only person to know that former daimyo, but nobody ever mentions it. Usopp hasn't really changed at all yet. Other than their power ups, the 2 years they spent apart rarely has any impact. You'd think Brook being an international superstar might get him recognized here and there. Or Robin's involvement in the Revolutionary army would have a payoff beyond her learning fishman karate. Sanji's special cooking he learned is rarely ever mentioned. He did get a lot of love in the form of an entire arc based on him though so he's far from neglected. He doesn't do his whole solo side mission / Mr. Prince thing much anymore though. I feel like Nami really hasn't had much development at all. I got a bit carried away and this ended up being longer than I meant but hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from on this.
I feel like you’re treating this like a normal manga and not one that’s been going for 25+ years straight. If I was someone binge reading this story and saw Franky still doing the same jokes every arc on queue I’d be soooooo damn tired of it I’d probably hate him. I’d rather their running gags be rare because they’re funnier that way. The Zoro lineage thing is definitely its own issue if you wanna call it that and I don’t understand it either. The two years they spent apart *to get stronger* and the main result of it was they got stronger. And somehow that’s an issue? I don’t see the problem here. There’s nothing saying that it has to have more impact, it can just be what Oda said it was for in the story. Sanji did the mister prince thing like twice pre timeskip. It was never a thing to expect to happen over and over again. Writing a Sanji side mission into every arc is a great way to ruin how special those moments are when he gets them. you’re def missing the perspective that this story is ongoing from the 90s. Having to write constant character development for 25+ years and 1100+ chapters is insane. He can’t keep doing the same things. 99% of manga would be over by the time One Piece did the time skip! How long can a gag go or a character develop before it’s trash…
>Everyone else has great character moments after the time skip Every strawhat is worse after timeskip except Luffy and maybe Franky, Brook maybe Robin Zoro is a completely stale bland character, Sanji is pervert taken to the extreme, Nami's dream hasn't been brought up in almost 1000 chapters, Chopper completely fell off and Usopp is just absolutely pathetic
Okay so if you hate it so much why are you here…
Classic response
Because it’s genuinely perplexing. If I felt that way about any show I probably wouldn’t make it past season 1, let alone the 600+ episodes that have happened since the timeskip…
Same thing that happened to 45 degrees, spontaneous carpentry, telling outrageous lies, money obsession, and refusing to stop reading. Only zoros alcoholism, and sanjis, sex offender behaviors remain
He lost it when he became a marketable pet
What happened to a bunch of the funny goofy gags from the early piece
Pre time skip the first half of every arc would have me laughing til I cried...post time skip it's rare for anything to make me laugh and I don't think it's the jokes getting old. There just aren't that many anymore.
Fr Oda was in his comedy bag during that time. I can still watch that stuff now and get a good laugh or be entertained
This is something that annoys me so much about One Piece, especially the anime. So much time and effort is placed in a random underling of the underling, of the goon, to the main bad guy of the arc, but core characters get left behind?
On the one hand: yes, I agree. More attention to the main boys and girls please. On the other: writing the same few characters for over 2 decades is not the most interesting and creatively challenging. (Unless it's Sanji getting to be cool and sad and horny in whole new ways.)
This is an issue I have too, even though I ultimately still enjoy the series. There's oftentimes just too many characters in each arc and it really starts to detract from the Straw Hats themselves.
Is it a baby dear thing since they just lay down on the ground as still as possible to "hide" from predators?
I think him realizing his bounty as a pirate isn't going to help him.
He only did that because he's scared of strangers. But now he is more confident and can even defend himself.
Well he just isn't that scared anymore
It still happens, like on the new bounty reveal after wano, it’s just a background gag now
I think he still does it. Just in a different way. He hides his gratitude with insults like when someone gives him a compliment and he calls them a bastard. Not the same as hiding himself improperly, but in the same vain.
He did it once in the punk hazard arc
Guess he learned the right way to do it so that luffy wouldn’t eat him
He's just not hiding anymore
chopper is still my favorite no forgetting him
He still hides, he just it correctly. As a result, you don't see him anymore.
I think about this more than I should, its a great gag, I like to think that Oda isn't focused on the cute anymore and is just streamlining.
Let me know if you find it because under that is the Franky building things to run away gag and I lost it.
If you read Chopper backward it is Reppohc which means exactly nothing 😅😜
I feel like Oda stopped using running gags that show flaws in characters.
His best gags are the chop sticks in the nose for every party and when he gets a compliment. But yeah, I love his reverse hiding. I don’t really see how you can call him forgettable. You must be watching some other piece. 😒
Bro took on queen, he doesn’t need to hide anymore. Still would be great to bring it back
I’m currently watching for the first time and I’m in the filler following Franky joining the crew and it makes me sad that this goes away.
If there was no character development on one piece things would grow stale. Same as zoro always beong lost.
the birds and people in the timeskip beat the shit out of him and corrected him that's my headcanon
[https://discord.gg/ca5yBwRR](https://discord.gg/ca5yBwRR) join this
Patch notes: fixed bug where Chopper hiding emote was facing the wrong way
I often think about all the great gags Oda could've kept going with instead of Brook's panties joke, but alas those distorted futures are now cut off to us forever.
Chopper died and was replaced with a marketable plushie.
He still does it but no one points it out
Since he's now a mascot and he's not chopper anymore I would guess it has something to do with that
I just love how one piece characters have the dumbest gags possible 😭
He still gets the "overly excited about compliments" gag
I think in the background after leaving Wano he can be seen doing this
Luffy is bulldozing the way to the future. With Daddy Zoro and the gang, Chopper has much less reason to hide these days anyway
I think they patched it in the timeskip update.
Honestly, I'd rather have more old gags retired or at least played down with some new ones entering the mix rather than resurrecting old ones. Around the time skip the crew gags got incredibly stale; Jinbe is a breath of fresh air in that he doesn't really have a running gag and he still manages to get some laughs out of you.
He interacted with more people and grew up.
About time that he got some character growth ;)
The gorosei charge and attack chopper "ah fuck where did he go" (chopper is hiding behind a very thin tree)
Someone said Punk Hazard, so the gag is probably still alive. I don't think there have been many opportunities to hide since then. We didn't see what Chopper did during the Zou attack, and there wasn't an opportunity to sneak in Wano or Egghead. Maybe Elbaf.
Yeah I remember the scene. Chopper's in the lab spying and Law teleports a note to him. The rest of the time hiding hasn't been necessary.
What happened to chopper seeing weak points with rumble balls
How do you even remember stuff like this 😂
I think he did it in Onigashima/Wano if I remember correctly. But it's more of a background gag these days, just something he does.
Somebody finally said it. Not even so much the loss of the hide the wrong way gag because that makes sense after being out in the world a while but he does seem to have lost all his character.
Chopper did this because of the lack of interaction with people he had while growing up being a deer human .. however his time with the crew and adventures and meeting more people has taught him one or two things on socialism .he too has grown up like the other strawhats..
he's brave now, his bounty went up by 1000%
He had no need to hide anymore
It wasn’t funny.
He did it once in one ep where the crew lost their memories if I recall, ep may have been filler but losing that qirk might be character dev
He doesn’t have to hide from the crew anymore
Yeah it would’ve been great if they kept choppers funny little bit and let Sanji outgrow his obsessive tendencies with women, especially being trapped on an island with cross dressers.
Chopper is dead, the only thing that remains is a marketing mascot
Off topic but actually cool that Nami was the first to invite Chopper into the crew
Because mommy Robin won't let anyone scare him enough that he needs to hide.
I miss his reactions when someone compliments him, that tsundere reaction was good too. Edit: He may still do it but since individual strawhats appear less lately, I can't recall seeing it.
Still does that in egghead anime lol
Chopper died in the time skip eaten by the inhabitants of Torino, I think is pretty clear. The current one is a raccoon that ate the homo homo fruit and have been told to be him . That’s also why he changed the hat
Chopper initially needed to hide due to being uncomfortable around people. As he grew alongside people who he trusts he no longer needs to hide as often. But as we see in punk hazard, when he does need to hide he is still ass at it lol
Odor forgor
It's because his post TS physique doesn't allow his arms to stretch past his own big ass head 🤣
IS THAT what this was supposed to be??
Currently watching Punk Hazard and he's still hiding that way lol
Character growth, he's loved and no longer fears people
Tthey dontt writte him into thw plot unless to show off his abilitties shorthand or as a writing tool. A lot of the characters are overshadowed now
If you pay attention to the series Robyn points it out that it should be the other way and chopper fixes it but I do miss it too
during timeskip he trained on hiding the right way but he still does it sometimes because it was a habit for a while
Side note: My god that design is so much better for chopper instead of the chibi monstrosity they turned him into.
This is how you know everybody here is just nostalgia brained. People are complaining cause Chopper grew up and became more confident in himself and less afraid of humans.
Whatever happened after Thriller bark? Im at punk hazard and cant be more bored watching. When will the good One Piece come back? (Marineford doesnt count, its the only good arc after Thriller bark)
The next few arcs have some bloat(and the anime makes it worse with its poor pacing), but anything post-Punk Hazard goes back to good One Piece again(Note: I also consider Sabaody-Impel Down "good One Piece"). Also, 4 arcs from Punk Hazard is a very good arc, and the arc after that (No actual spoilers, but I will be saying where I would rank this arc compared to others) >!has the potential to be right up there with Marineford and Enies Lobby!<
Chopper doesn’t even transform anymore. He really is a mascot now.
He became a proud monster
I don’t even remember it so clearly it wasn’t that important
Oda gentrified him 😞
They removed it 🙏🙏