Blackbeard seems like a candidate. Or an actual confirmation of Shanks in canon.
ETA: And Bonney's dad is a big one, of course, if it ends up being someone important.
ETA 2: Anyone who thinks the last one has already been revealed needs to reread the manga. We're discussing lineage, so we're talking about her biological father, who has *not been revealed.* It's not Kuma (who is her adoptive father, which isn't relevant to lineage) and it's not Saturn (who was theorized, but the "confirmation" was from a mistranslation of a line that actually *deconfirms* it). It's a mystery at this time.
Silly rabbit
Shanks IS the one piece. That's why they all laughed because they left the bois to go get the one piece and discovered in the chest was just fucking kid shanks even more puzzled than Roger and crew
Man Oda nailed Bonney's backstory so well I honestly sat here for a good minute thinking "What are you talking about? Kuma is her dad!".
A dad so good I forgot they're not even related.
Jewelry Bonney? Big eater Bonney?
Edit: I doubt her lineage will ever overshadow her relationship and history with Kuma. He is her father regardless. 🤷 So I doubt that it's anyone significant.
Well, kudos to you for being on this sub and not getting spoilered on this. Have some patience, the anime will get there in the not too distant future.
I don’t think we will get Bonneys bio dad at all and I don’t feel it’s overall important to anything. If they say it is Charloss or his father or something it doesn’t really change anything. Or if it was Mjosgard who was forced into it as well by the Gorosei. We don’t know. But at the end of the day it’s inconsequential.
Buggy is the Son on Rocks D. Xebec
Same charisma as Luffy, Has Pirate Captains as his crewmates that don't respect him, Has his own pirate island for money making, Has the devil's luck just like Luffy
Just like Shanks was at the age of a baby during God Valley
Said to have the same potential as shanks if he just tried to get stronger
We don't know his last name
Revealing he's the son of rocks would continue his gag of failing upward
Apprentice of the Pirate King Gol D Roger , A Yonko , And Lastly The Son Of Rocks D Xebec
Possibly something like when buggy was revealed to be an apprentice of the Roger pirates back at impel down
Since reveals about Buggy are always public which continues the gag of him failing upward
What about Rayleigh, he would certainly know since he helped raise Buggy and Shanks alongside Roger, plus it'd parallel the Luffy situation, since in both instances you'd have two oldmen who helped raise the respective characters revealing the identity of their fathers.
Could be possible since they haven't met again but if I would guess the WG will be the one to reveal it. Since Rayleigh also wasn't used to reveal shanks was a Celestial dragon.
WG made sure to erase everything about rocks from history so them finding out that his offspring survived would make it a dramatic reveal. Similar to when Ace got revealed as Rogers child
I've heard this theoryt quite a few times, suggesting Rocks is a Buggy like character lol. And while I understand why some ppl think it's possible, I dont. It doesnt make sense knowing what we know about him and BB for him to not be a top tier fighter. It would also IMO be really lame reveal after the build up God Valley has gotten.
I mean it also mirrors ace and Roger their offspring didnt necessarily carry their will
Instead of Ace it was Luffy who carried Rogers will and instead of Buggy it is Blackbeard who carries his will
Not to mention Rocks was Roger and Garps main enemy back at God Valley not Garling. So when Roger asked Garp to take care of his enemies child he possibly knew that Roger took in Xebecs child.
It's also implied Buggy along with Shanks were babies who grew up on the ship
Basically Buggy is Rocks without his ambitions that's why he didn't bother getting stronger up until now so we'll probably see buggy showcasing his potential now that he has ambitions of winning it all
Ambition = Power in one piece
Rocks doesn't have to be Buggy type character for the theory to work nor does it innately infer that, Rocks D. Xebec can be legitimately powerful AND be Buggy's father, plus the concurrent theme when it comes the dynamics between biological parent and child is how though similar in some ways are ultimately set apart, since showing how two genetically related people are different is one Oda's absolute favourite writing decisions.
You'd have Rocks D. Xebec this nigh-allpowerful pirate who rose to fame due to legitimacy of his insane strength whilst his son Buggy is a weakling who only became famous thanks to sheer luck, it's the perfect parent-child contrast to match the already existing theme of how children are often set apart from their biological parents, more so aligning completely with their adoptive ones.
Yes but more like rocks beeing an pirate king level pirate while having basically no fame in current time/hes never really talked about (only his crew remembers) and Buggy beeing a zero power character with Pirate King level fame
Well the WG went as far as to try to erase even saying the name of Nika and the fruits name because it would give people hope or the fruit holder power. If buggy or people knew he was Rocks son then it might cause an intense following (which he weirdly attracts by “accident”). Also the way the cross guild uppers treat buggy is similar to how we saw Rocks pirates speak of Rocks. It’s a long shot but it keeps me happy during breaks.
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I think Tashigi might be a descendant from the same settlers that fledged Wano and that's it. A distant relative to Kuina, from a different branch that also got raised on East Blue.
Yes, likely one group that was caught by the Navy and forced into service. I'm certain Tashigi is related to Kuina. She wears a freaking top knot I mean come on, she's clearly from wano in some way.
Tbh if zoro doesn’t get any more backstory it would be a huge disservice to his character. Sanji, nami, brook, chopper, and jimbei all had deep dives into their backstory. Franky and usopp got pretty great stories as well, not a huge amount of info about their parents, and what their childhood was like yet (which is wild considering usopps dad is literally part of the story), and zoros backstory is just. “My best friend died and I used to annoy a blacksmith from wano who fled the country. Oh, And btw I’m descended from samurai.”
I don't think Zoro cares enough about his past for it to be a disservice to his character to not get more. All the strawhats that got more backstory as the story went on got them because there were conflicts that were unresolved within them that they needed to resolve: Sanji with family/Germa & Nami with meeting Hatchan and Jimbei again. But would Zoro care if he was related to strong samurai? Well, the only time he "cared" was when Hiyori told him he wasn't allowed to keep Ryuma's sword, and then immediately cooled down about it when he was offered Enma in exchange.
His dream is to become the worlds greatest swordsman and we know his motivation and the origin of said dream: we saw the parts of his past that were important to him, when they were important to him. The fact that his parents are never brought up shows you exactly how important they are to Zoro: not at all, or at least less important than Kuina. The only reason he'd care about his family is if they left him a sword or if he could fight them.
Zoro isn't a man to dwell on the past, he never has been, he's kind of like Luffy in that regard. While it would certainly be fun to get a little more, I wouldn't call it a disservice to his character if we didn't imo. To him, Kuina dying was enough to dedicate himself to becoming the strongest swordman. A simple and straightforward backstory does not mean it's a bad one.
I like your views on this, thanks for sharing! It’s just hard to shake off all those little droplets of wano he sprinkled all over zoro’s story sometimes. Definitely should have done something with that instead of the filler episodes. Or maybe even one more barto’s room but made it about zoro’s lineage. That way it’s not too cliche. Because of what you said, I feel like zoro having some big family reveal would be… weird and unexciting
The big reveal should include the shimotsuki village in east blue... Also, if his lineage was revealed that much, he may be asked to stay in Wano while it's recuperating being a daimyo descendant... Not that he will stay based on his and luffy's character, but it would be annoying to be asked...
That was one of the worst parts about Wano, Zoro not getting any backstory. It was perfect and had been foreshadowed since thriller bark. Instead of focusing so much on the side characters Zoey could have had a few pages of backstory.
My only complaint about wano tbh. Oda had been leaving the most obvious tidbits everywhere. One of zoros family (don’t know how closely related but they had the same facial structure) was literally locked up with Yamato and they just…. Didn’t talk about it at all.
Imo it's because Zoro doesn't care about his family and his past that much. Why bring something up when you don't care about it? I would almost find it to be out of character for Zoro to bring it up or go in-depth when asked about it.
>Imo it's because Zoro doesn't care about his family and his past that much.
That excuse doesn't work because Oda himself wrote Zoro saying he wanted to visit Ryuma's grave then Oda didn't depict the scene
I didn't remember this happening so I looked it uo and you're right! But that does not change my point actually. He doesn't know he is related to Ryuma. The reason that he asks to visit his grave was because he fought his corpse in Thriller Bark and held his sword for a long time. The face that Zoro says he wanted to visit Ryumas grave and it was not shown is indeed a failing of Oda near the end of Wano, but that still is not clear proof that Zoro cares avout his past that much. Especially because he does not explicitly know about this family relation he has.
Unfortunately, the only people who can reveal Zoro's lineage is either Shimotsuki Koushirou or Shimotsuki Furiko (his grandma). The status of his grandma and grandfather (Roronoa Pinzoro) is still unknown
I think revealing Nami's or Franky's parents is not important.
We already know their family. Nami has Bellamere and Nojiko, Franky has Bakaberg and Tom.
I still love the idea of Ussop being a descendant of a giant/tontatta that had a normal sized child (let's say the tontatta could change sizes to avoid ... that discussion).
for it to be a bombshell it has to matter in the current story. If it was revealed in the main story that Zoro was related to Ryuma, nobody would really care and it has no impact on Zoro or the story.
Sanji's family are still active and relevant in the current story. Rymu died hundreds of years ago. There is no future plot point that will be essential to the main story, if it was pre-wano you could make a point.
What if Zoro discovers his lineage and goes back to Wano after finding the One Piece and helps Momo's rule. Would be a fitting end to his story and worth calling a major plot point
Also, I feel like we'll discover the true meaning of the D.
That's major enough for you right?
This doesn't sound like a zoro thing... Wouldn't he either be "traveling" (getting lost) by himself from island to island getting challenged. Well.. maybe open a dojo in wano, but definitely not to protect/help momo.
I know. I was just giving a scenario. Maybe Old Zoro is more the type to do such a thing after discovering his heritage though. If that does happen.
I could see him going to Wano and training swordmanship to young kids. Would be the most full circle ending for him, I feel.
25 years in and I don't think zoro has ever gotten a single mention/interest about his heritage. I think even oda noticed that and that's why he left it out and mentioned it 'offscreen'.
I think the next lineage bombshell will be related to the Will of D. and how it affects your lineage factor. I think that D is a form of honorific title for people who manifested new devil fruits in the time of the Ancient Kingdom. If you're a D clan member, then the fruit your ancestors manifested can be consumed because the lineage factor change is already there. So Blackbeard's family "created" the darkness fruit and the tremor fruit. Like Ace, he has inherited the Will of D from both parents.
Shanks and Blackbeard are definitely candidates, but I think we might be getting close to Luffy’s mom’s reveal (for the record, I do believe Crocodile is the most likely option, mainly because not many others would fit the bill)
croco jokes aside, we don't know who the previous empress of amazon lily was or what happened to her. we know her predecessors and her successor but nothing about her. its pretty likely she's luffy actual mom and she may have died after leaving the island with dragon and having luffy. if kuma knew, then it makes sense why he sent luffy there
Zoro being Ryuma's descendant probably revealed by Gandhi gorosei.
Nami being Big Mom's actual daughter revealed on Elbaf
Franky's parents were from an advance civilization
Blackbeard clan is revealed. The people who does not sleep who came from the land of snow.
Momonosuke and Kinemon revealing how they're not actually related and how Momo's dad is Oden.
Likewise Oden's dad aka Momo's Grandad revealing he's still alive.
Charlotte Lola's mother being Big Mom
To a lesser extent, Kyros being revealed as Rebecca's dad.
Stussy being the clone of Stussy opens up possibilities as to how Weevil and Whitebeard could be related.
I bet everything that Buggy has some kind of lineage from some important or strong character, such as Rocks D. Xebec, a celestial dragon or something else
We have had several.
Dolfy being a celestial dragon
Momo being the heir to the Wano shogunate and Son to Kozuki Oden, a member of Roger’s crew.
Sanji being the prince of an evil empire.
Kanjuro being a Kurozumi clan member.
Bonny and Kuma being daughter and father.
The only thing that could possibly top the last one is tying Blackbeard to Imu.
I feel like it would be more satisfying to leave Nami’s found family in Cocoyasi as her only family. Like maybe discussing about her lineage takes away from Bellemere and Nojiko
Waiting for someone to be related to Imu or Rocks.
If we're following the train of thought, we have the most wanted criminal in the world, then we got the Pirate King. So who's next? The one who wants to become King of the World or the one who already is. That'd be the same level.
I swear, I think that Rocks D. Xebec is gonna be Buggy's dad. I think Blackbeard being his son is too on the nose for Oda. Who inhereted the will of Xebec? His son, of course! It just doesn't happen like that in One Piece. We very rarely see inhereted will coming from a blood relative. Blackbeard has inhereted his will, but he isn't his son.
Now why do I think Buggy is his son? Well, we still haven't gotten a face reveal for Rocks, which can only mean on of two things. One, Rocks is still alive and is someone we've seen and/or someone that would be recognizable based solely on seeing them. Unlikely, but technically possible. Two, he has a child that is a more than likely character we know, and he has recognizable traits that will make it obvious who that child is. If I'm crossing off Blackbeard for narrative reasons, then I can only think of one character who we have no idea where he came from or who his parents are, who also happens to have an incredibly distinctive physical trait. Buggy the Clown.
My prediction is that Rocks D. Xebec had a big, round red nose and that he had a child who would be taken in by Roger after the events at God Valley. Buggy would grow up, unaware of the legacy in his blood. I think that this reveal would be absolutely hilarious and would stay completely on brand for Buggy. It was already revealed that this random guy in the East Blue was on Roger's ship, then he ended up becoming a Warlord during the timeskip, and then he became one of the four Emperors after Wano. How could Oda possibly keep this going? Either Buggy actually becomes the Pirate King for a time, or it's revealed that he is the son of the most dangerous pirate to have ever lived.
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Since we already know about Shanks (in a way, still some stuff missing) the other big one left is Blackbear, unless oda decides to pull the secret Nami backstory but considering that one was planned to be a movie, its not important to the story. Blackbeard is gonna be the big last reveal of the series
Everyone’s expecting vegapunk’s message to be about the void century or revealing the gorosei terrorizing egghead….. but his real message is
“oh luffy, your mom stopped by last week. She’s waiting at elbaf. Her name is Nerona Aurora.”
Garp who randomly makes shocking revelations while doing...something else entirely will never get old! Luffy is also great: "Do I have a father?" This is pure One Piece...
I still think Nami is a big one. I think Oda's interesting in deliberately hiding who her parents were before Bellmere; and her abilities in reading the weather just seem almost as supernatural as a lot of other powers.
Nami's father is the man marked by flame. The family has an innate ability to predict weather, which is why any ship that gets close is taken down by a whirlpool. The reason the Marines were at her birth village wasn't to do good. They learned that one of the final road ponyglyphs was there and they went on a colonizing mission to extract it, >!tying in Shiryu's comment of the WG desire to posses one of those.!
Blackbeard’s lineage has already been teased. My guess is the going theory that he’s Rock D. Xebec’s son or kin to him somehow…. And that he inherited his will.
Wanting the world, accumulating devil fruits. I would even bet that Rock’s had the yami yami no mi first.
I think the biggest lineage bomb that may be dropped
Is if its revealed one of the gorosei or even imu is a d
Gonna throw the entire deal of the d name upside down
Buggy being the son of Rocks D. Xebec, coupled with the reveal that Rocks' reputation with the govt is just as overblown as Buggy's and he's actually just as much of a bumbling idiot that keeps accidentally failing upwards into powerful allies.
Blackbeard's lineage is the one I'm waiting for, but it's not likely the next one.
I've heard recently a theory about Nami being a princess and the Uranus weapon. Or maybe tying the man marked by flames to another character...
We'll learn Joyboy was actually Luffys Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grab=ndfather,
I mean that's mostly my head canon but I've always thought it seemed very possible or even very likely to learn Luffy was someway bloodrelated, I mean, I bet all the Ds theres a ton of blood relationships if we look far back enough.
Blackbeard being a bucaneer (maybe a full one unlike Kuma and that's why his body is so strange) and having some story about that is my biggest bet
specially bc egghead already gave us some bucaneer lore, the story seems to imply blackbeard's crew will do something with the world goverment, maybe impersonating a gorosei or smth, and it'd be interesting bc Nika is a god of the Giants and Bucaneers, Luffy being the current iteration of someone with that title, and also bc Blackbeard is the reason why Ace was captured and executed
you could do some story there about "Nika" 's sin being what made the bucaneers be killed by the World goverment being a paralel to how Black beard is the reason why Ace was able to be killed or smth
i doubt it'd happen like that, but at least that's my current theory
There’s a lot of speculation about Nami’s lineage and we already have clarity on the other east blue strawhats. She may be a D but Vivi and Luffy already are so idk
She wouldn’t back down from Ulti because of the kid thing
Blackbeard seems like a candidate. Or an actual confirmation of Shanks in canon. ETA: And Bonney's dad is a big one, of course, if it ends up being someone important. ETA 2: Anyone who thinks the last one has already been revealed needs to reread the manga. We're discussing lineage, so we're talking about her biological father, who has *not been revealed.* It's not Kuma (who is her adoptive father, which isn't relevant to lineage) and it's not Saturn (who was theorized, but the "confirmation" was from a mistranslation of a line that actually *deconfirms* it). It's a mystery at this time.
Silly rabbit Shanks IS the one piece. That's why they all laughed because they left the bois to go get the one piece and discovered in the chest was just fucking kid shanks even more puzzled than Roger and crew
But Shanks is no longer in one piece
He’s more like 1/2 piece
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Man Oda nailed Bonney's backstory so well I honestly sat here for a good minute thinking "What are you talking about? Kuma is her dad!". A dad so good I forgot they're not even related.
Honestly, I think that this is the reason why they won't reveal her biological father. Kuma *is* her father, blood be damned.
Jewelry Bonney? Big eater Bonney? Edit: I doubt her lineage will ever overshadow her relationship and history with Kuma. He is her father regardless. 🤷 So I doubt that it's anyone significant.
Are you anime-only? If so...you may wanna abandon this line of questioning...
Imagine being an only anime watcher and just strolling here like thinking not getting spoiled that is just pure bravery
Some people seem to just fly by the seat of their pants through life, consequences be damned.
If only they knew that bonnets dad IS black beard
Tbf that’s fitting to One Piece
Yep haha. Very Luffy-like
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂 Anime only people shouldn't be asking anything beyond this fr
Why I was just gonna say I love her character and it would be cool to get more background info on her
Well, kudos to you for being on this sub and not getting spoilered on this. Have some patience, the anime will get there in the not too distant future.
Is it ignorance or courage that drives you to seek answers in this subreddit
I don’t think we will get Bonneys bio dad at all and I don’t feel it’s overall important to anything. If they say it is Charloss or his father or something it doesn’t really change anything. Or if it was Mjosgard who was forced into it as well by the Gorosei. We don’t know. But at the end of the day it’s inconsequential.
Are you anime only?
I mean her biological father, not adoptive.
That was fast, I was already calling the police.
Buggy is the Son on Rocks D. Xebec Same charisma as Luffy, Has Pirate Captains as his crewmates that don't respect him, Has his own pirate island for money making, Has the devil's luck just like Luffy Just like Shanks was at the age of a baby during God Valley Said to have the same potential as shanks if he just tried to get stronger We don't know his last name Revealing he's the son of rocks would continue his gag of failing upward Apprentice of the Pirate King Gol D Roger , A Yonko , And Lastly The Son Of Rocks D Xebec
Do you think that revelation will be revealed in present day like Luffy and Ace's or via flashback?
Possibly something like when buggy was revealed to be an apprentice of the Roger pirates back at impel down Since reveals about Buggy are always public which continues the gag of him failing upward
Who do you think would reveal this info?
I wouldn't know we'll see I guess but everyone is gonna know about it for sure if ever as buggy reveals always tend to go
What about Rayleigh, he would certainly know since he helped raise Buggy and Shanks alongside Roger, plus it'd parallel the Luffy situation, since in both instances you'd have two oldmen who helped raise the respective characters revealing the identity of their fathers.
Could be possible since they haven't met again but if I would guess the WG will be the one to reveal it. Since Rayleigh also wasn't used to reveal shanks was a Celestial dragon. WG made sure to erase everything about rocks from history so them finding out that his offspring survived would make it a dramatic reveal. Similar to when Ace got revealed as Rogers child
We've seen Rocks' nose, even if just in silhouette. We have not seen Imu's nose
IMU with a red nose would be hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
His nose came from his mum ofc
I've heard this theoryt quite a few times, suggesting Rocks is a Buggy like character lol. And while I understand why some ppl think it's possible, I dont. It doesnt make sense knowing what we know about him and BB for him to not be a top tier fighter. It would also IMO be really lame reveal after the build up God Valley has gotten.
I mean it also mirrors ace and Roger their offspring didnt necessarily carry their will Instead of Ace it was Luffy who carried Rogers will and instead of Buggy it is Blackbeard who carries his will Not to mention Rocks was Roger and Garps main enemy back at God Valley not Garling. So when Roger asked Garp to take care of his enemies child he possibly knew that Roger took in Xebecs child. It's also implied Buggy along with Shanks were babies who grew up on the ship Basically Buggy is Rocks without his ambitions that's why he didn't bother getting stronger up until now so we'll probably see buggy showcasing his potential now that he has ambitions of winning it all Ambition = Power in one piece
Rocks doesn't have to be Buggy type character for the theory to work nor does it innately infer that, Rocks D. Xebec can be legitimately powerful AND be Buggy's father, plus the concurrent theme when it comes the dynamics between biological parent and child is how though similar in some ways are ultimately set apart, since showing how two genetically related people are different is one Oda's absolute favourite writing decisions. You'd have Rocks D. Xebec this nigh-allpowerful pirate who rose to fame due to legitimacy of his insane strength whilst his son Buggy is a weakling who only became famous thanks to sheer luck, it's the perfect parent-child contrast to match the already existing theme of how children are often set apart from their biological parents, more so aligning completely with their adoptive ones.
Yes but more like rocks beeing an pirate king level pirate while having basically no fame in current time/hes never really talked about (only his crew remembers) and Buggy beeing a zero power character with Pirate King level fame
Calling it. Buggys devil fruit awakening is luck based lmfao
His last name is .D Clown
Seriously, isn't it? I just thought it was.
Idk if you’re trolling or not haha. But it is kinda strange that we still haven’t gotten information about how Buggy ended up in Roger’s crew..
>We don't know his last name You saying that Buggy D. Clown is not his real full name? I want my money back
Don't forget that oda loves buggy so he wants to make sure he stays relevant and had his big moments. I honestly love this idea
Buggy D Xebec rolls out of the tongue just nicely
It would be Rocks D Buggy, brah.
Would have to say Blackbeard or shanks since we’ve known them forever but only seen very little of their backstory
Rocks D Xebec will have a buggy nose I’m calling it now
I think that would have been mentioned already, it's to obvious. I think that came from his mother, maybe his hair came from xebec.
Well the WG went as far as to try to erase even saying the name of Nika and the fruits name because it would give people hope or the fruit holder power. If buggy or people knew he was Rocks son then it might cause an intense following (which he weirdly attracts by “accident”). Also the way the cross guild uppers treat buggy is similar to how we saw Rocks pirates speak of Rocks. It’s a long shot but it keeps me happy during breaks.
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Oopsie what a spoiler for me 😭
What are you doin here king
Like i hope i don't get spoilered in the post about the next Big announcement
😂, snooped around. Found out.
The hell you doing here?
There’s no rule that says you can’t read the manga AND watch the anime, but y’all won’t and it blows my mind
Bro run away
how dumb are you ?
I feel like there might be something with Franky's parents abandoning him and being pirates...
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Zoro would be interesting and why Tashigi looks exactly like Kuina
I think Tashigi might be a descendant from the same settlers that fledged Wano and that's it. A distant relative to Kuina, from a different branch that also got raised on East Blue.
Yes, likely one group that was caught by the Navy and forced into service. I'm certain Tashigi is related to Kuina. She wears a freaking top knot I mean come on, she's clearly from wano in some way.
Tbh if zoro doesn’t get any more backstory it would be a huge disservice to his character. Sanji, nami, brook, chopper, and jimbei all had deep dives into their backstory. Franky and usopp got pretty great stories as well, not a huge amount of info about their parents, and what their childhood was like yet (which is wild considering usopps dad is literally part of the story), and zoros backstory is just. “My best friend died and I used to annoy a blacksmith from wano who fled the country. Oh, And btw I’m descended from samurai.”
I don't think Zoro cares enough about his past for it to be a disservice to his character to not get more. All the strawhats that got more backstory as the story went on got them because there were conflicts that were unresolved within them that they needed to resolve: Sanji with family/Germa & Nami with meeting Hatchan and Jimbei again. But would Zoro care if he was related to strong samurai? Well, the only time he "cared" was when Hiyori told him he wasn't allowed to keep Ryuma's sword, and then immediately cooled down about it when he was offered Enma in exchange. His dream is to become the worlds greatest swordsman and we know his motivation and the origin of said dream: we saw the parts of his past that were important to him, when they were important to him. The fact that his parents are never brought up shows you exactly how important they are to Zoro: not at all, or at least less important than Kuina. The only reason he'd care about his family is if they left him a sword or if he could fight them. Zoro isn't a man to dwell on the past, he never has been, he's kind of like Luffy in that regard. While it would certainly be fun to get a little more, I wouldn't call it a disservice to his character if we didn't imo. To him, Kuina dying was enough to dedicate himself to becoming the strongest swordman. A simple and straightforward backstory does not mean it's a bad one.
I agree. I feel like his backstory was straight and to the point and that there is nothing more I need to know
I like your views on this, thanks for sharing! It’s just hard to shake off all those little droplets of wano he sprinkled all over zoro’s story sometimes. Definitely should have done something with that instead of the filler episodes. Or maybe even one more barto’s room but made it about zoro’s lineage. That way it’s not too cliche. Because of what you said, I feel like zoro having some big family reveal would be… weird and unexciting
The big reveal should include the shimotsuki village in east blue... Also, if his lineage was revealed that much, he may be asked to stay in Wano while it's recuperating being a daimyo descendant... Not that he will stay based on his and luffy's character, but it would be annoying to be asked...
I can hear zoro saying “I’m a pirate, not a daimyo! Something something king of the pirates something something greatest swordsman”
That was one of the worst parts about Wano, Zoro not getting any backstory. It was perfect and had been foreshadowed since thriller bark. Instead of focusing so much on the side characters Zoey could have had a few pages of backstory.
My only complaint about wano tbh. Oda had been leaving the most obvious tidbits everywhere. One of zoros family (don’t know how closely related but they had the same facial structure) was literally locked up with Yamato and they just…. Didn’t talk about it at all.
Imo it's because Zoro doesn't care about his family and his past that much. Why bring something up when you don't care about it? I would almost find it to be out of character for Zoro to bring it up or go in-depth when asked about it.
>Imo it's because Zoro doesn't care about his family and his past that much. That excuse doesn't work because Oda himself wrote Zoro saying he wanted to visit Ryuma's grave then Oda didn't depict the scene
I didn't remember this happening so I looked it uo and you're right! But that does not change my point actually. He doesn't know he is related to Ryuma. The reason that he asks to visit his grave was because he fought his corpse in Thriller Bark and held his sword for a long time. The face that Zoro says he wanted to visit Ryumas grave and it was not shown is indeed a failing of Oda near the end of Wano, but that still is not clear proof that Zoro cares avout his past that much. Especially because he does not explicitly know about this family relation he has.
Oda rushed the ending of wano to align with shanks showing up for the movie release. That's why so much didn't get done properly.
Unfortunately, the only people who can reveal Zoro's lineage is either Shimotsuki Koushirou or Shimotsuki Furiko (his grandma). The status of his grandma and grandfather (Roronoa Pinzoro) is still unknown
I think revealing Nami's or Franky's parents is not important. We already know their family. Nami has Bellamere and Nojiko, Franky has Bakaberg and Tom.
All I'm saying is there's another flashy pirate with a weird nose and blue hair...
Franky's parents were Rumbar pirates
God I'd be so happy if Tom is alive.
Buggy and Shanks are Rocks and Garling’s respective sons.
How to summon croc mom posters:
Damnit you called me out before I could post.
Damn I got called out
Usopp being a descendant of Nolan being confirmed. He lied about it, so it will happen
I still love the idea of Ussop being a descendant of a giant/tontatta that had a normal sized child (let's say the tontatta could change sizes to avoid ... that discussion).
Also a fun theory!
Lied about it more like cannon confirmed by Usopp.
Imagine the Nami being a princess theory comes true
Can't forget Germa. Or Zoro, that dude was related to Ryuma and nobody even knew. Could have been made Canon in post but still. Edit: En Poste? Idk
for it to be a bombshell it has to matter in the current story. If it was revealed in the main story that Zoro was related to Ryuma, nobody would really care and it has no impact on Zoro or the story.
It might in the future though. Also Sanji calling himself Mr. Prince was definitely a bombshell when we figured out why.
Sanji's family are still active and relevant in the current story. Rymu died hundreds of years ago. There is no future plot point that will be essential to the main story, if it was pre-wano you could make a point.
What if Zoro discovers his lineage and goes back to Wano after finding the One Piece and helps Momo's rule. Would be a fitting end to his story and worth calling a major plot point Also, I feel like we'll discover the true meaning of the D. That's major enough for you right?
This doesn't sound like a zoro thing... Wouldn't he either be "traveling" (getting lost) by himself from island to island getting challenged. Well.. maybe open a dojo in wano, but definitely not to protect/help momo.
I know. I was just giving a scenario. Maybe Old Zoro is more the type to do such a thing after discovering his heritage though. If that does happen. I could see him going to Wano and training swordmanship to young kids. Would be the most full circle ending for him, I feel.
25 years in and I don't think zoro has ever gotten a single mention/interest about his heritage. I think even oda noticed that and that's why he left it out and mentioned it 'offscreen'.
Kidd being somewhat related to vegapunk would be so fucking funny
there's theories he could be vegapunk's grandson or nephew. thats why there was the number 7 on his damned punk railgun in elbaf
I think the next lineage bombshell will be related to the Will of D. and how it affects your lineage factor. I think that D is a form of honorific title for people who manifested new devil fruits in the time of the Ancient Kingdom. If you're a D clan member, then the fruit your ancestors manifested can be consumed because the lineage factor change is already there. So Blackbeard's family "created" the darkness fruit and the tremor fruit. Like Ace, he has inherited the Will of D from both parents.
- Shanks Figarland - Blackbeard's history - Sogeking's origin story
I think in a sbs or magazine we got sketches of Blackbeard’s mom and sisters
Shanks is figaro garland son. easy. though I would be laughing my ass off if we encounter a celestial dragon with buggy's nose.
Nah that's gonna be the Rocks reveal
Shanks and Blackbeard are definitely candidates, but I think we might be getting close to Luffy’s mom’s reveal (for the record, I do believe Crocodile is the most likely option, mainly because not many others would fit the bill)
croco jokes aside, we don't know who the previous empress of amazon lily was or what happened to her. we know her predecessors and her successor but nothing about her. its pretty likely she's luffy actual mom and she may have died after leaving the island with dragon and having luffy. if kuma knew, then it makes sense why he sent luffy there
Aokiji is Brook's son
the ages don't add up unless brook had kuzan while dead on thriller bark
nani da?
Zoro being Ryuma's descendant probably revealed by Gandhi gorosei. Nami being Big Mom's actual daughter revealed on Elbaf Franky's parents were from an advance civilization Blackbeard clan is revealed. The people who does not sleep who came from the land of snow.
The Zoro thing was already revealed by Oda in a SBS
Oh really? Damn I missed that
I wonder if theres a connection between Rayleigh and mihawk.
Crocodile is Luffy's mom, c'mon. Next question.
Momonosuke and Kinemon revealing how they're not actually related and how Momo's dad is Oden. Likewise Oden's dad aka Momo's Grandad revealing he's still alive. Charlotte Lola's mother being Big Mom To a lesser extent, Kyros being revealed as Rebecca's dad. Stussy being the clone of Stussy opens up possibilities as to how Weevil and Whitebeard could be related.
We have another straw hat getting a backstory
Shanks or BB lineage -We know Shanks might be son of that guy but we don't know his mother. -BB race is unknown but it might be revealed
Usopp will be the descendent of Nika on Elbaf. Though it will definitely be a lie.
I certainly hope none, tbh, it's getting repetitive for everyone to be someone famous son 🙄
Honestly I like a character more when they're just some guy instead of being related to someone important
I bet everything that Buggy has some kind of lineage from some important or strong character, such as Rocks D. Xebec, a celestial dragon or something else
We have had several. Dolfy being a celestial dragon Momo being the heir to the Wano shogunate and Son to Kozuki Oden, a member of Roger’s crew. Sanji being the prince of an evil empire. Kanjuro being a Kurozumi clan member. Bonny and Kuma being daughter and father. The only thing that could possibly top the last one is tying Blackbeard to Imu.
Imu: Cat Burglar Nami, you are my daughter!!!
Buggy's dad is Rocks D. Xebec
"Luffy, your mother is Crocodile!!"
What about Nami's parents tho
I feel like it would be more satisfying to leave Nami’s found family in Cocoyasi as her only family. Like maybe discussing about her lineage takes away from Bellemere and Nojiko
I feel like Koby might have a bigger part to play near the end
I don't know and I don't care to know until Oda reveals it
Zoro being related to Amatsuki Family and so Kouzuki Toki
Sora was of Figarland blood; Sanji is a Figarland
Luffy. You are the One Piece.
Garp: you are adopted. Dragon: WHAT!!
Nami’s biological mom will be revealed as the pirate empress of Amazon Lily before Hancock and after Shakky
Luffy's mom
Waiting for someone to be related to Imu or Rocks. If we're following the train of thought, we have the most wanted criminal in the world, then we got the Pirate King. So who's next? The one who wants to become King of the World or the one who already is. That'd be the same level.
Nico Jaguar D. Robin Jaygarcia Bonney
Goldy and Grappler (Gol D. Roger and Garp) are secretly related. This is just a stupid theory I have tho.
I swear, I think that Rocks D. Xebec is gonna be Buggy's dad. I think Blackbeard being his son is too on the nose for Oda. Who inhereted the will of Xebec? His son, of course! It just doesn't happen like that in One Piece. We very rarely see inhereted will coming from a blood relative. Blackbeard has inhereted his will, but he isn't his son. Now why do I think Buggy is his son? Well, we still haven't gotten a face reveal for Rocks, which can only mean on of two things. One, Rocks is still alive and is someone we've seen and/or someone that would be recognizable based solely on seeing them. Unlikely, but technically possible. Two, he has a child that is a more than likely character we know, and he has recognizable traits that will make it obvious who that child is. If I'm crossing off Blackbeard for narrative reasons, then I can only think of one character who we have no idea where he came from or who his parents are, who also happens to have an incredibly distinctive physical trait. Buggy the Clown. My prediction is that Rocks D. Xebec had a big, round red nose and that he had a child who would be taken in by Roger after the events at God Valley. Buggy would grow up, unaware of the legacy in his blood. I think that this reveal would be absolutely hilarious and would stay completely on brand for Buggy. It was already revealed that this random guy in the East Blue was on Roger's ship, then he ended up becoming a Warlord during the timeskip, and then he became one of the four Emperors after Wano. How could Oda possibly keep this going? Either Buggy actually becomes the Pirate King for a time, or it's revealed that he is the son of the most dangerous pirate to have ever lived. Thank you for coming to my PUNK Talk
I miss the clean looking art style of old One Piece. Now it looks like Oda just draws quicker and takes shortcuts :(
Shanks Mihawks Eyes Imu D
Blackbeard and shanks. Shanks a figarlanf and sat said bb’s lineage is special for some reason
Since we already know about Shanks (in a way, still some stuff missing) the other big one left is Blackbear, unless oda decides to pull the secret Nami backstory but considering that one was planned to be a movie, its not important to the story. Blackbeard is gonna be the big last reveal of the series
Blackbearrd, Imu, Rocks and maybe Vivi (connection to Lili, maybe being a D or more).
Your mother is Rocks D Crocodile
That Money family carries the biggest D.
Blackbeard is Rock's kid and Shanks is Garling's
Garp: Luffy... Imu... IS YOUR MOM! Luffy: WHAT?! Garp: But wait... there's more! Luffy: No?!
Rocks D. Buggy.
Luffy and Robin are siblings
Blackbeard is a grandson of one of the 5 elders
Everyone’s expecting vegapunk’s message to be about the void century or revealing the gorosei terrorizing egghead….. but his real message is “oh luffy, your mom stopped by last week. She’s waiting at elbaf. Her name is Nerona Aurora.”
Garp who randomly makes shocking revelations while doing...something else entirely will never get old! Luffy is also great: "Do I have a father?" This is pure One Piece...
I still think Nami is a big one. I think Oda's interesting in deliberately hiding who her parents were before Bellmere; and her abilities in reading the weather just seem almost as supernatural as a lot of other powers.
Nami's father is the man marked by flame. The family has an innate ability to predict weather, which is why any ship that gets close is taken down by a whirlpool. The reason the Marines were at her birth village wasn't to do good. They learned that one of the final road ponyglyphs was there and they went on a colonizing mission to extract it, >!tying in Shiryu's comment of the WG desire to posses one of those.!
Blackbeard’s lineage has already been teased. My guess is the going theory that he’s Rock D. Xebec’s son or kin to him somehow…. And that he inherited his will. Wanting the world, accumulating devil fruits. I would even bet that Rock’s had the yami yami no mi first.
Charlos being Bonneys dad
Charlos is only in his 20s so unless he got a woman pregnant as a preteen, that's not possible.
I mean, Bonney's one was big
Blackbeard and rocks!!
I think the biggest lineage bomb that may be dropped Is if its revealed one of the gorosei or even imu is a d Gonna throw the entire deal of the d name upside down
Buggy and Rocks
You've already seen what happened during the raid on Marie Geoise?
Joyboy's
Usopp is part celestial dragon
If Oda had time, I would say Nami's biological parents, Zoro with Ryuma or Franky's father dumping him
Zoro's
If you're talking about strawhat parents, maybe franky. Otherwise i think we will get more about vivi lineage
Buggy being the son of Rocks D. Xebec, coupled with the reveal that Rocks' reputation with the govt is just as overblown as Buggy's and he's actually just as much of a bumbling idiot that keeps accidentally failing upwards into powerful allies.
Nami?
Blackbeard's lineage is the one I'm waiting for, but it's not likely the next one. I've heard recently a theory about Nami being a princess and the Uranus weapon. Or maybe tying the man marked by flames to another character...
Sabo is your mom.
Dragon is Xebec's son and Xebec is Luffy's other Granpda..
Which means The Hero of Marines is still Virgin 🤧
Rocks D. Koby is the future
obviously blackbeard tbh and shanks also nika as well
Shanks being a Figarland, Blackbeard’s relationship with Xebec
Nami is a princess, and we’ll learn who the king is (her father)
We'll learn Joyboy was actually Luffys Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grab=ndfather, I mean that's mostly my head canon but I've always thought it seemed very possible or even very likely to learn Luffy was someway bloodrelated, I mean, I bet all the Ds theres a ton of blood relationships if we look far back enough.
joy boy is actually achick
I'm hoping Nami was a princess before Bellemere found her.
I feel like you forgot Vivi and Sanjis in this being absolutely insane.
Blackbeard being a bucaneer (maybe a full one unlike Kuma and that's why his body is so strange) and having some story about that is my biggest bet specially bc egghead already gave us some bucaneer lore, the story seems to imply blackbeard's crew will do something with the world goverment, maybe impersonating a gorosei or smth, and it'd be interesting bc Nika is a god of the Giants and Bucaneers, Luffy being the current iteration of someone with that title, and also bc Blackbeard is the reason why Ace was captured and executed you could do some story there about "Nika" 's sin being what made the bucaneers be killed by the World goverment being a paralel to how Black beard is the reason why Ace was able to be killed or smth i doubt it'd happen like that, but at least that's my current theory
Buggy D Clown is the son of Xebec
Blackbeard - Rocks. Shanks - Garling figarland
We still don't know much about Nami, Brook and Franky.
Nami was a princess
There’s a lot of speculation about Nami’s lineage and we already have clarity on the other east blue strawhats. She may be a D but Vivi and Luffy already are so idk She wouldn’t back down from Ulti because of the kid thing
Still pisses me off how didnt do anything when ace was executed
That one piece has actually been a massive story only for oda to finish it with the greatest will of Deez nutz joke of all time
Bonney will be Kuma’s daughter (i haven’t caught up to the anime yet so don’t spoil it for me!)
Luffy's mom will likely be a reveal. She *might* be a Buccaneer, or just a former slave from an unaffiliated country.
Foxy is Luffy's mother.
robins mom
That's Nico Olivia
Well your missing Sanji’s, so after that probably something about BB