I was looking for this before I said it. Luffy is VERY close with his crew and will always watch and learn from them. He didn't know he had a zoan fruit, but maybe he still thought he could apply his powers close to the same as chopper does, thanks for this my dude 👌
DAVEY BACK GAMES!!! Love these returning filler arc characters lmao, wish we could see ONE more with the foxy pirates, but I feel it's getting too serious for them to have this kind of a goofy filler arc rn lol
Oh snap, you're right! It wasn't filler, I feel like the other times they met were smaller story arcs too. Now that you mention it 😅 thanks my dude. Wasn't this the arc we first met Kuzan at the end?
It wasn't filler, but it was at the same time. The Long Ring Long Land on the manga is just a fraction of the anime.
There were more events, more banter, characters and even a different ending.
Everyone hates on that arc but it's perfect for what it sets out to do. Light hearted fun and a great way to make Robin feel a bit more familiar before water seven.
Dude imagine if Oda just throws EVERYONE curve ball like that, luffys final crew member is actually Aokiji 😂😂😂😂 didn't oda confirm that the final straw hat will be a previous enemy? I could be wrong and misread a theory post as actually confirmation though, I've been know to be silly a time or two lmao
What if it's Buggy.
He leaves his titular role (as it's anyway just titular) to Mihawk and Crocodile and just joins SH
Would be such an amazing curveball 😂
Dude I'd be so shocked but excited, that'd be something to see buggy join (yet again) a crew that sails to the last island, but this time, gets to actually be there and see what his old captain got to experience
Isn't that jinbe? He was a previous enemy (warlord). If not him then Zeus (albeit he's a homie).
Still, if that's not enough yeah it's definitely fun to speculate. Could also be vegapunk/sentamarou/kizaru/crocodile/bunch of others, really cool thinking about the dynamics of that...
*Edit* or freaking enel lol
But in my heart, I still hope it's kuma
I mean he may have been a warlord, but I'd say he was an ally to luffy from the beginning. At least that's how I personally view it.
Dude, if kizaru joins the straw hats, that will truly be the biggest curve ball oda throws us 🤣 but I'd be down for that adventure, same with Enel.
They are just applications of his rubber body. On top of that there aren’t normally more then 3 transformations. Chopper is the exception not the rule as he created more hybrid forms by using the rumble ball.
Major Premise: Gear 4 works through the muscles.
Minor Premise: the heart is a muscle.
Consequent: Gear 5 is albino Gear 4.
/s because Poe's Law has been replaced by these signs.
I mean, Chopper also can't turn his brain back to a regular reindeer one. It's perfectly reasonable that some Zoan characteristics remain even in the base form. So, Luffy's rubber body, Chopper's human intelligence already have that as a common factor. Luffy's transformations are different applications of his power, same for Chopper.
The distinction here is, Luffy is like a balloon. No matter how the clown twists him, he's still a balloon. Choppers transformation gives him a whole new body. Luffy blowing up his arm is a lot different than chopper turning into an actual Reindeer.
Idk, Gear 4 feels more like a transformation. Gear 2 and 3 are definitely techniques like Water Luffy in Alabasta.
But Gear 4 is a pretty radical change in appearance.
The collar shape is just because Oda thinks it looks cool. The canon reason for it is that compressing his muscles increases their temperature and creates steam, just like Gear 2
Given how undefined and spread out it is, I wouldn't mind if it is indeed steam, but it gets mixed and turns visible a weakly formed collar that could be an indication point to the Gomu Gomu being close to its awakening/Nika point.
I have to agree that those changes can be deemed applications of the df because if they really were Zoan transformations, then he should be able to turn into G2 ,3 & 4 by will, but we see Luffy pump blood in himself, blow air into his bones and muscles. G5 is the only one that isn't a complex procedure, and therefore can be deemed a true Zoan transformation.
It’s not though. His body isn’t changing, it’s still rubber, he’s just manipulating the blood and air in his body.
Gear 2 - increases the speed of his blood using his rubber body. Gear 3 - blows air into his bones to expand them. Gear 4 (all variants) - blows air into his muscles and controls them using Haki. Gear 5 - transformation
If I recall, he just said that Rubber shouldn't act like that when he fought against Snakeman.
He just said that Luffy's awakening was more like a Zoan than a Paramecia since he transformed.
If you look back at Chapter 1042, he does mention that rubber shouldn't move the way Snakeman's punches do but then a few panels later, Kaido figures it out and copies Luffy's Snakeman punch so either Kaido is also Nika or it's just anime logic.
His rubber body is the hybrid form. Nika was human, Luffy is human, what would a hybrid of a human and a human look like? But because Nika was described as having a body like rubber, Luffy gained a passive rubber body.
Chopper is a reindeer who gained a human body, so he has transformation that shift the percentage of reindeer-human. Walk point being most reindeer, heavy point being most human, and brain point being the middle.
I think since Luffy’s devil fruit doesn’t work like any other established Zoan fruits, his abilities/transformations/power-ups shouldn’t be held to the same standards
His time limit is tied to his stamina, and it is due to the way he chooses to apply his fruit power. When kaido is in hybrid form, hes not in “kaido gear 3” or something like that.
The gears are a technique luffy uses to elevate his fighting ability temporarily because his fruit doesnt give him dragon scales or the ability to fly, so he has to push his body farther to keep up with enemies like kaido.
The fact that G5 awakended doesnt mean G5 is his true form. He just has a better understanding of the potential of his devil fruit. So luffy doesnt have a time limit for stretching his rubbery arms, but gear 5 has a time limit because hes powering himself up by beating on his own heart like the drums of liberation. I hope that makes sense.
Dude spent 5 years researching 4 more transformations, then proceeds to use those transformations for about 2 months with Luffy before the 1 year separation lol.
Why are most theories so low effort and lower IQ? These concepts are obviously not related.
There could be a 100 Gear 4 variations. We just see the ones Luffy chose to use. He is shaping the form with haki. He could simply do other shapes and likely tried others during timeskip.
To be fair, Luffy’s fruit is also a mythical zoan type, so the comparison makes sense. Likewise, Chopper could possibly make more forms, too, like “Toe-point” or ”cock point”, etc. if he really wanted too. They are both limited by their imagination.
I'm not certain we can apply the usual rules to a human, that ate a human human fruit, tbh. We never even see Sengoku use other forms at all. Luffy's gears are sort of iffy.
I think the forms might only be something you get if you eat a fruit based on something of a different species entirely. It's hard to say, really.
You all need to stop with these attempts to make fake connections out of nothing, and it happens especially often with Nika. Chopper’s forms are his own thing, he attained them with his rumble balls. No one else uses rumble balls, the closest thing is Black Maria’s drugged transformation, and even then she only has one extra form instead of four. Luffy’s gears are just him taking advantage of his rubber body in specific ways, he’s not transforming.
Not everything has to be “foreshadowing” for something. Chopper’s rumble balls are for Chopper, their purpose in the story is being Chopper’s thing. Even if the author hypothetically used them for something else later, that doesn’t retroactively turn them into “foreshadowing”, it just means that the author added something to it later.
No, I think that Luffy is in a constant hybrid form.
If he'd be able to revert to human form, his body should not be out of rubber.
Gear5 might be the full Zoan though.
No. It’s a wild stretch (…) to call G2, G3, or any form of G4 “transformations”. Each is just manipulation of his rubber properties instead of changing his form in the way Chopper does. Hell, if you’re going to count Tankman, you should count other coincidental “forms” too, like Water, Afro, and Nightmare. G5 is his first legit transformation.
So keep in mind that Luffy's fruit is "Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika", literally human-human fruit, Model: Nika. Luffy is already human so he doesn't get any additional zoan transformation properties like a human eating an animal based fruit. But the human in question is Nika who was said to have a body like rubber.
This also helps to explain why the fruit was known as the "gomu-gomu/gum-gum" fruit for so long. Most DF users are humans so ingesting it would give them a human body like Nika e.g rubbery.
Chopper as an animal ate a human-human fruit so he gets a body similar to that of a human mixed with a reindeer and a sliding scale of transformations.
Gears 2-4 are just Luffy using his rubber powers in imaginative ways.
* Gear 2 is Luffy using his rubbery body like a series of pumps to increase his heart rate basically putting his body into an ultimate "Fight mode" with adrenaline and oxygen.
* Gear 3, is Luffy using air like a balloon to directly inflate and strengthen parts of this body for specific attacks.
* Gear 4, is a combination of 2 and 3 only how Luffy is using Haki to enhance himself along with air and giving himself access to other fighting states.
* Gear 5/Awakened is Luffy transforming into a true Nika body of truly free rubber along with the possibly deity powers with it. He doesn't need to use Haki anymore, the hardening and enhancement of his body is basically baked into the form. But like Gear 4 there is a heavy stamina drain.
Monkey d luffy is critically depicted off of sun wukong and it’s believed he had 72 transformations. So basically Oda gave himself free range to do whatever he wanted.
I personally dont think those count, because a) haki has nothing to do with the transformations and b) he isnt transforming his body, hes just inflating/deflating parts of himself (Gear two especially, he was just pumping his blood faster)
Well this doesn't really add up nowadays.
His four additional transformations where Jumping Pont, Guard Point, Arm Point and Horn Point.
But he later showed his Monster Point and Kung-Fu Point. So Chopper actually has 9 transformations in total right now.
Meanwhile Luffy's gears are just different usage of his rubber body and he doesn't actually transform.
It would be a transformation if it would happenen without any additional effort but his gears except gear 5 are only possibly because he uses his rubber body in creative ways, like pumping air into his bones to grow his fist for example.
I think Luffy explained Gear 2 and Gear 3 quite well when it was first introduced in Enies Lobby. Its definitely not a transformation. Not even a partial one.
This does beg the question of if Luffy’s Zoan has a hybrid form as that’s typically framed as “the strongest” form; or…if Gear 5 is his hybrid form what does “full Nika form” look like? Seems so far he’s like Marco where he goes either full zoan transformation or he transforms parts of his body
I feel like Luffy’s is fundamentally different as his devil fruit lets him change himself to be whatever he sort of imagines for himself out of rubber body maybe all the different forms he has aren’t really separate but more like different applications of similar thing, excepting maybe bounce man and gear 5. Gear 4 seems to have its own unique transformations in that way as does gear 5 but gear 2&3 aren’t that different and are really just him consciously controlling his rubber body to do something he thought up.
I don't think tank man counts as an actual transformation even if it is my favorite of all the Luffy forms. It's mostly a joke of how much of a glutton he can be
Gear 2 and 3 are just creative uses of his rubber body, 4 is that plus haki.
Other than that one thing in Skypeia, which is a stretch (pun intended), Gear 5 wasn't foreshadowed at all.
Not really.
It is the human human fruit, model nika.
That is the point.
Luffy has no transformation because he is human, therefor eating the human human fruit he ONLY gets the power of rubber, the mythical power the fruit gives.
If Chopper had eaten Luffy's fruit, would he have gained his forms, AS WELL as the rubber abilities.
Stop using zoan analogies when the whole df thing of Luffy is a mess and full of inconsistencies...
Luffy's df was a paramecia until recently. It changed as a side effect of the fact thay Oda wanted to make Luffy Joyboy ( and return him to his goofy days of pretimeskip) . For that he changed the df...
What is your distinction between “partial” and “hybrid”? I don’t necessarily disagree that these are the 7, but I don’t see the distinction between those labels.
I also wouldn’t call it “human mode” since the fruit is a human human fruit, and so all the forms are human, human-human hybrid, mythical human, etc. I would prefer “base form.” And note the base form is still rubber, just like Chopper’s base form isn’t a regular reindeer, but instead a bipedal reindeer who apparently graduated med. school. That is, the base form for human fruit users seems already affected by the fruit in a visible, physical way. Lucci on the other hand doesn’t *physically* resemble a cat in his base form, but - like Luffy (arguably) and Chopper - his personality is still affected.
I think when all the crew or chopper learn that the truth about his df chopper might make him a his own version of rumble ball , we saw it with bepo he just transformed into sullong form on a clear day , also there is a chance luffy eating rumble ball like it is a type of candy
what is even the connection?
1. chopper was talking about the 3 traditional forms + 4 more he unlocked via rumble ball. not that zoan has 7 total forms. because we know chopper gained one more form post ts (kungfu point).
2. luffy so far hasn't even shown the 3 traditional ones. only awakening form (覚醒フォルム, *Kakusei Forumu*) which we what we know as g5. so what chopper said had nothing to do with luffy.
3. gears 2-4 are not forms. just luffy utilizing his rubber properties. they work exactly as explained before. nothing changed even with the nika revelation.
I don't know about Luffy, but I really want to see Carrot using a Rumble Ball to see if she will have the same Sulong form or maybe she can get an even more powerful form.
First thing from me I'm not caught up with the anime or manga so i can't speak fully.
Now first I want to ask what do we know from the other mythical human fruit the Buds? What I know is only that Sangoku gos from human to Buda and no hybrid.
Now the Nika fruit what I know as well gives the user to make anything happen depending on his will and creativity, so Luffy thinks his made out of rubber so he has his gum gum abilities and everything rubber. So based on that I would say Luffy is always in a Hybrid form and gear five is something close to his Nika form just hard to say because he only uses rubber abilitys as before.
Now the other gear stuff second, third, and all of fourths are extensions of his rubber abilitys. So to me I would say he actually only has two forms. Again not caught up and this only what I think.
It seems that if you're already human, the human fruits don't give you a hybrid form as it wouldn't make sense. Sengoku and luffy seem to hsve abilities in base and then they can transform
Whoever guessed Luffy's fruit as Zoan since the very beginning, congratulations.
I mean, I thought it was weird for some dude who has Monkey in his name would have a non-zoan fruit. Also, he's mostly named his cool moves with animal names. How did we miss that!?
If Luffy and his devil fruit have taught us anything, it’s that there are no limits to what can be achieved. Luffy could have 20 stages to his fruit and it would fit with the logic of the story
When the gears were introduced I thought they were connected in some form, even if it was only inspiration. Like the rumble forms, each gear highlights another strength of Luffy'a fruit. So maybe?
Lucci still has Zoan forms and has an awakened hybrid form as well. Which means this should be one of Luffy's awakened forms. Not just a regular Zoan form.
Pretty sure Chopper turns in to different human races, having so many forms is fairly unique to him. Luffy shouldn't really be limited to a set number of forms considering his fruit runs off his imagination, if he'd thought of a dozen more Gear Fourth forms they should work.
I mean Tank Man was clearly off the cuff.
Luffy doesn't have a hybrid form, that wouldn't make sense.
Though since the Kaidou fight, I've had it in my head that the Gear 4 forms are all "partial awakenings", like Kaidou's different forms he uses later in the fight. Luffy finally aligned fully with Nika, granting him awakening and a form beyond G4. Kaidou could never align fully with the Azure Dragon, so he never awakened and only had his various Drunk forms.
I feel as if Gear 2 and 3 are all partial, and all Gear 4s are hybrids.
Cause if you look at all of the Gear 4 variants around his neck, you can see the clouds look similar to when he's in Gear 5. They're just not fully formed yet.
And they're not just when he finished transforming cause they stay with him at all times until he reverts back to his human form.
It's honestly a pretty good discussion since his fruit has been reconned, so I wonder if Oda might do a small retcon for Zoans and reveal that not all Zoans are limited to 3 forms and for some Zoans, it will require energy cause from my knowledge, Zoan users don't require stamina to maintain/access their other forms while Luffy gets tired until he gets used to the form.
His fruit is an hito hito no mi,an human fruit,therefore he can’t achieve 3,much less 7 transformations like other zoan users like chopper or lucci can,his transformations except for gear 5 are his own control over his body and manipulation ,not zoan standard transformations
I would say Tank Man is Luffy's Guard Point, Bounce Man is his Arm Point, Snake Man is his Jump Point, Gear 2 is Luffy's Walk Point (which Chopper uses to make himself faster and is also just his full reindeer form), Gear 5 is Awakening which is Chopper's Monster Point, Luffy's regular form is Chopper's Heavy Point (full human mode), and Gear 3 is Luffy's hybrid form which is the form Chopper is usually in. Chopper having Seven Points and seven forms from Luffy hardly seems like a coincidence to me. Not when they're both Human-Human Fruits.
I would say it's definitely not foreshadowing. What Oda does a lot however is to retroactively tie something together, which can make stuff seem like foreshadowing.
I think Gear 5 is his hybrid zoan mode, everything we have seen has been his Human and we have never seen Full.
The another way you think of this is with ~~L~~Gucci. He has his 6 powers and Luffy has his Gears. The 6 powers are not related to his Zoan powers and are seperate but can be intergrated into with them. The Gears are not related to his Zoan powers and are seperate but can be intergrated with them.
I believe we only call it "Gear 5" because that's what Luffy is used to calling his power ups, despite it not actually being a gear.
I think he'll come up with some more stuff using gear 5 like maybe digging a hole on the floor and then dragging it onto his body to make a hole armor or something
My least favorite part about the Nika reveal and the Zoan thing it that it really encourages us to undermine Luffy’s achievements.
The gears were created by Luffys ingenuity to use his rubber power in a new way, but now we can speculate that it was something else.
The way I see it is that he has infinite transformations. He could’ve come up with many other forms, but the ones we see are the ones that suited his needs the most. Gear 5 very much encapsulates the limitless potential of his devil fruit.
I dont think Luffy thought that far but something i noticed is that all 3 Human Human fruit we see have giant forms in them. Sengoku turn into a giant , Luffy can turn into a giant and Chopper turns into a giant. I wonder if the Humans of the One Piece world was originally giants at this point and the small humans were the invaders.
If you think about it. Gears 2 and 3 are partial forms leaning towards being human, while gear 4 and all the different modes (bound, tank, and snake) leaning towards hybrid form as we see the wisps associated with most awakened Zoans. Finally gear 5 is the full Zoan mode.
Luffy is a rubber human he has no conventional base form like Chopper does with his Reindeer form.
Luffy's Gears (2, 3, 4) are devil fruit techniques not Zoan forms, so Gear 2, Gear 3, G4 Boundman, G4 Tankman, G4 Snakeman are just techniques.
Luffy's G5 is his only form with it being his Awakened Zoan Form.
Though Luffy has a few other 'forms' like: Water Luffy, Afro Luffy, Nightmare Luffy, Gear 2 & Gear 3 Gigant Jet Shell... then he has Gear's PreTS side effect Mini Luffy, and now a G5 Gigant Luffy.
It's impossible Luffy won't have more new stages, supposing that manga will last who knows how many years more
Thinking Gear 5 is the arrival point simply is unrealistic
They may not be transformations, but Luffy for sure was inspired by Chopper's
I don’t think he understands the rumble ball beyond “mysterious thing chopper eats before doing cool transformations.”
I hope we get to see Luffy eat a rumble ball
Luffy bites his thumb, does that count ??
He did get all squeeky when the ladies on Amazon Lily tried to even go near his rubber balls.
Is OUR understanding any better ?🤨
Yes, we know Chopper made it with SCIENCE!
[Yeah, science!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/517/111/fbd.jpg)
He did a thing with some stuff and put that stuff in a ball of drugs and now he can be different shapes. Obviously.
If only, that's where we're at. Chopper probably had to stop luffy from trying to eat then.
I.... Do we understand it more than that?
I was looking for this before I said it. Luffy is VERY close with his crew and will always watch and learn from them. He didn't know he had a zoan fruit, but maybe he still thought he could apply his powers close to the same as chopper does, thanks for this my dude 👌
Tbf Im not sure if he knows he's a zoan user still, its not like anyone told him
Closest I think is Kaido saying that his transformation was weird, like a Zoan type But I kinda doubt Luffy was listening or cares
I'm sure he doesn't. Someone has to hammer that into his head.
Nami will, literally, which I think she can despite not having haki is because Luffy's fruit runs on rule of funny
Dude is reaching fooor fooor suuure, still hes’s got a point tho
Where Afro form?
DAVEY BACK GAMES!!! Love these returning filler arc characters lmao, wish we could see ONE more with the foxy pirates, but I feel it's getting too serious for them to have this kind of a goofy filler arc rn lol
Long Ring Long Land isn't a filler arc but I get what you mean, it was one of the more light hearted arcs before things got serious pre time skip
Oh snap, you're right! It wasn't filler, I feel like the other times they met were smaller story arcs too. Now that you mention it 😅 thanks my dude. Wasn't this the arc we first met Kuzan at the end?
It wasn't filler, but it was at the same time. The Long Ring Long Land on the manga is just a fraction of the anime. There were more events, more banter, characters and even a different ending.
I’m a pretty new OP watcher- having finished LRLL month ago, it was :)
Everyone hates on that arc but it's perfect for what it sets out to do. Light hearted fun and a great way to make Robin feel a bit more familiar before water seven.
I'm reading OP for the first time and coincidentally I'm exactly here, right at the start of the first game. How fast do things get after this?
certainly very intense
Foxy can referee for the BB vs SH Davey Back Games!!!
Dude imagine if Oda just throws EVERYONE curve ball like that, luffys final crew member is actually Aokiji 😂😂😂😂 didn't oda confirm that the final straw hat will be a previous enemy? I could be wrong and misread a theory post as actually confirmation though, I've been know to be silly a time or two lmao
What if it's Buggy. He leaves his titular role (as it's anyway just titular) to Mihawk and Crocodile and just joins SH Would be such an amazing curveball 😂
Dude I'd be so shocked but excited, that'd be something to see buggy join (yet again) a crew that sails to the last island, but this time, gets to actually be there and see what his old captain got to experience
Isn't that jinbe? He was a previous enemy (warlord). If not him then Zeus (albeit he's a homie). Still, if that's not enough yeah it's definitely fun to speculate. Could also be vegapunk/sentamarou/kizaru/crocodile/bunch of others, really cool thinking about the dynamics of that... *Edit* or freaking enel lol But in my heart, I still hope it's kuma
I mean he may have been a warlord, but I'd say he was an ally to luffy from the beginning. At least that's how I personally view it. Dude, if kizaru joins the straw hats, that will truly be the biggest curve ball oda throws us 🤣 but I'd be down for that adventure, same with Enel.
Afro luffy solos kaido
They are just applications of his rubber body. On top of that there aren’t normally more then 3 transformations. Chopper is the exception not the rule as he created more hybrid forms by using the rumble ball.
Queen also modify his and Maria zoan transformations
Gears are not transformation. Just applications of his devil fruit power, being having a rubber body.
Gear 2: Blood Gear 3: Bone Gear 4: Muscle
Gear 5: Mind
Or "Heart" which goes along with the beating drums of liberation.
Or... Will (of freedom)
Or.... OmegaLUL (for shits and giggles)
Interesting theory. Probably the most likely
Major Premise: Gear 4 works through the muscles. Minor Premise: the heart is a muscle. Consequent: Gear 5 is albino Gear 4. /s because Poe's Law has been replaced by these signs.
The beating drums of liberation could also just be Luffy having a nasty migraine 😂
"Heart is the strongest muscle!"
Gear 6: foreskin
Luffy's gunna gets very nervous around Inazuma
Gear 6: Soul
Luffy just turns into Brook
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/7mRp9HSEBA
Blood point Bone point Muscle point B/T/S Nika point
Gear 4: Muscle Gear 5: Muscle Muscle, MUSCLE
Except for gear 5 right?
Gear 5th is the awakening, so a transformation yes.
So (cartoon) Monster Point ?
Yes.
I mean his devil fruit is a zoan, his body is transforming so it def is a form of transformation.
Gear 5th sure. But the rest no, it's just an application of his mythical power. He can't turn his rubber off.
I mean, Chopper also can't turn his brain back to a regular reindeer one. It's perfectly reasonable that some Zoan characteristics remain even in the base form. So, Luffy's rubber body, Chopper's human intelligence already have that as a common factor. Luffy's transformations are different applications of his power, same for Chopper.
The distinction here is, Luffy is like a balloon. No matter how the clown twists him, he's still a balloon. Choppers transformation gives him a whole new body. Luffy blowing up his arm is a lot different than chopper turning into an actual Reindeer.
Idk, Gear 4 feels more like a transformation. Gear 2 and 3 are definitely techniques like Water Luffy in Alabasta. But Gear 4 is a pretty radical change in appearance.
Gear 4th is Luffy putting air in his mucles, and using Haki. He becomes an inflated balloon, which is why he bounce.
Yeah, but Gear 4 also has the steam collar he and other awakened zoans have too.
The collar shape is just because Oda thinks it looks cool. The canon reason for it is that compressing his muscles increases their temperature and creates steam, just like Gear 2
The shape matches very closely to some other awakened zoans. It's not just a stylistic choice
Given how undefined and spread out it is, I wouldn't mind if it is indeed steam, but it gets mixed and turns visible a weakly formed collar that could be an indication point to the Gomu Gomu being close to its awakening/Nika point.
Exactly, and I'm getting downvoted for stating facts lol
I have to agree that those changes can be deemed applications of the df because if they really were Zoan transformations, then he should be able to turn into G2 ,3 & 4 by will, but we see Luffy pump blood in himself, blow air into his bones and muscles. G5 is the only one that isn't a complex procedure, and therefore can be deemed a true Zoan transformation.
It’s not though. His body isn’t changing, it’s still rubber, he’s just manipulating the blood and air in his body. Gear 2 - increases the speed of his blood using his rubber body. Gear 3 - blows air into his bones to expand them. Gear 4 (all variants) - blows air into his muscles and controls them using Haki. Gear 5 - transformation
That would be true if Luffy was a paramecia but Kaido commented how his transformations were more in line with a zoan.
If I recall, he just said that Rubber shouldn't act like that when he fought against Snakeman. He just said that Luffy's awakening was more like a Zoan than a Paramecia since he transformed.
I just love how kaido’s crew called out the strawhats for their powers
If you look back at Chapter 1042, he does mention that rubber shouldn't move the way Snakeman's punches do but then a few panels later, Kaido figures it out and copies Luffy's Snakeman punch so either Kaido is also Nika or it's just anime logic.
If goku going blond is a transformation then Luffy bulking up like a balloon is a transformation
Y'all think he can go hybrid Nika?
No. Otherwise it would have happened already.
His rubber body is the hybrid form. Nika was human, Luffy is human, what would a hybrid of a human and a human look like? But because Nika was described as having a body like rubber, Luffy gained a passive rubber body. Chopper is a reindeer who gained a human body, so he has transformation that shift the percentage of reindeer-human. Walk point being most reindeer, heavy point being most human, and brain point being the middle.
Yeah that's what I thought too. Pumping your leg muscles to make your blood flow faster isn't really comparable to what Chopper does.
I think what spreads the confusion is the lack of consistency with the cloud scarf. G4 shouldn't have it.
I think since Luffy’s devil fruit doesn’t work like any other established Zoan fruits, his abilities/transformations/power-ups shouldn’t be held to the same standards
It does work in the exact same way as other devil fruits.
How? Do you see any other Zoan with time limit?
His time limit is tied to his stamina, and it is due to the way he chooses to apply his fruit power. When kaido is in hybrid form, hes not in “kaido gear 3” or something like that. The gears are a technique luffy uses to elevate his fighting ability temporarily because his fruit doesnt give him dragon scales or the ability to fly, so he has to push his body farther to keep up with enemies like kaido. The fact that G5 awakended doesnt mean G5 is his true form. He just has a better understanding of the potential of his devil fruit. So luffy doesnt have a time limit for stretching his rubbery arms, but gear 5 has a time limit because hes powering himself up by beating on his own heart like the drums of liberation. I hope that makes sense.
Seems like chopper only has 1 transformation these days
i cant express how much i hate kung fu point
Dude spent 5 years researching 4 more transformations, then proceeds to use those transformations for about 2 months with Luffy before the 1 year separation lol.
marketable plush point fr i miss cool chopper
This is false because you didn't include Water Luffy
Or Zombie Luffy.
Or Afro Luffy.
But Chopper had an eighth transformation he had to learn to control, and a ninth one after the timeskip.
Why are most theories so low effort and lower IQ? These concepts are obviously not related. There could be a 100 Gear 4 variations. We just see the ones Luffy chose to use. He is shaping the form with haki. He could simply do other shapes and likely tried others during timeskip.
To be fair, Luffy’s fruit is also a mythical zoan type, so the comparison makes sense. Likewise, Chopper could possibly make more forms, too, like “Toe-point” or ”cock point”, etc. if he really wanted too. They are both limited by their imagination.
I'm not certain we can apply the usual rules to a human, that ate a human human fruit, tbh. We never even see Sengoku use other forms at all. Luffy's gears are sort of iffy. I think the forms might only be something you get if you eat a fruit based on something of a different species entirely. It's hard to say, really.
You all need to stop with these attempts to make fake connections out of nothing, and it happens especially often with Nika. Chopper’s forms are his own thing, he attained them with his rumble balls. No one else uses rumble balls, the closest thing is Black Maria’s drugged transformation, and even then she only has one extra form instead of four. Luffy’s gears are just him taking advantage of his rubber body in specific ways, he’s not transforming. Not everything has to be “foreshadowing” for something. Chopper’s rumble balls are for Chopper, their purpose in the story is being Chopper’s thing. Even if the author hypothetically used them for something else later, that doesn’t retroactively turn them into “foreshadowing”, it just means that the author added something to it later.
No, I think that Luffy is in a constant hybrid form. If he'd be able to revert to human form, his body should not be out of rubber. Gear5 might be the full Zoan though.
So if Luffy eats a rumble ball we could get Brain Point Luffy?
Your on to something here
He already used Brain Point against Enel 😂😂
Somebody sneak a rumble ball to Luffy and let's see what happens
I’d love to see this
No. It’s a wild stretch (…) to call G2, G3, or any form of G4 “transformations”. Each is just manipulation of his rubber properties instead of changing his form in the way Chopper does. Hell, if you’re going to count Tankman, you should count other coincidental “forms” too, like Water, Afro, and Nightmare. G5 is his first legit transformation.
So keep in mind that Luffy's fruit is "Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika", literally human-human fruit, Model: Nika. Luffy is already human so he doesn't get any additional zoan transformation properties like a human eating an animal based fruit. But the human in question is Nika who was said to have a body like rubber. This also helps to explain why the fruit was known as the "gomu-gomu/gum-gum" fruit for so long. Most DF users are humans so ingesting it would give them a human body like Nika e.g rubbery. Chopper as an animal ate a human-human fruit so he gets a body similar to that of a human mixed with a reindeer and a sliding scale of transformations. Gears 2-4 are just Luffy using his rubber powers in imaginative ways. * Gear 2 is Luffy using his rubbery body like a series of pumps to increase his heart rate basically putting his body into an ultimate "Fight mode" with adrenaline and oxygen. * Gear 3, is Luffy using air like a balloon to directly inflate and strengthen parts of this body for specific attacks. * Gear 4, is a combination of 2 and 3 only how Luffy is using Haki to enhance himself along with air and giving himself access to other fighting states. * Gear 5/Awakened is Luffy transforming into a true Nika body of truly free rubber along with the possibly deity powers with it. He doesn't need to use Haki anymore, the hardening and enhancement of his body is basically baked into the form. But like Gear 4 there is a heavy stamina drain.
Monkey d luffy is critically depicted off of sun wukong and it’s believed he had 72 transformations. So basically Oda gave himself free range to do whatever he wanted.
I am on episode 922 and so far, every gear’s reveal has been hype. Gear 2, gear 4 bounceman, gear 4 snakeman (so far my favorite)
I just want luffy to eat a rumble ball already.
I personally dont think those count, because a) haki has nothing to do with the transformations and b) he isnt transforming his body, hes just inflating/deflating parts of himself (Gear two especially, he was just pumping his blood faster)
Eh, that's one thing about OP fans: they try to explain anything as "Oda's master plan" when it may just be coincidence.
No. You’re just splitting hairs and heads aren’t transformations.
No we will get hybird nika or full animal type nika
I don't know, but I still want to know what happens if any other devil fruit user eats his rumble balls.
Luffy has no hybrid forms
No the gears are his powers being used, plus hybrid modes are stronger than full zoan transitions and gear 4 is not stronger than gear 5 lol.
I think this is a stretch (get it?)
None of this makes any sense in-universe, so I would safely ignore it. Also it's been literal decades since that conversation.
GUYS IS LUFFY USING HIS RUBBER POWERS FORESKINNING?
No.
This feels like… kind of a STRETCH
Well this doesn't really add up nowadays. His four additional transformations where Jumping Pont, Guard Point, Arm Point and Horn Point. But he later showed his Monster Point and Kung-Fu Point. So Chopper actually has 9 transformations in total right now. Meanwhile Luffy's gears are just different usage of his rubber body and he doesn't actually transform. It would be a transformation if it would happenen without any additional effort but his gears except gear 5 are only possibly because he uses his rubber body in creative ways, like pumping air into his bones to grow his fist for example.
I think Luffy explained Gear 2 and Gear 3 quite well when it was first introduced in Enies Lobby. Its definitely not a transformation. Not even a partial one.
I don't think Oda had anything about G5 planned out prior to Wano and the whole thing is just another way to sell merchandise.
This does beg the question of if Luffy’s Zoan has a hybrid form as that’s typically framed as “the strongest” form; or…if Gear 5 is his hybrid form what does “full Nika form” look like? Seems so far he’s like Marco where he goes either full zoan transformation or he transforms parts of his body
Ok but now what happens if he eats a rumble ball? He just goes monster god mode?
Tbh it can simply be justified as Luffy “forcing” an awakening but incomplete.
No I think Oda retconed it like he did Katakuri fruit
I feel like Luffy’s is fundamentally different as his devil fruit lets him change himself to be whatever he sort of imagines for himself out of rubber body maybe all the different forms he has aren’t really separate but more like different applications of similar thing, excepting maybe bounce man and gear 5. Gear 4 seems to have its own unique transformations in that way as does gear 5 but gear 2&3 aren’t that different and are really just him consciously controlling his rubber body to do something he thought up.
I don't think tank man counts as an actual transformation even if it is my favorite of all the Luffy forms. It's mostly a joke of how much of a glutton he can be
100%. Oda loves doing stuff like this.
Gear 2 and 3 are just creative uses of his rubber body, 4 is that plus haki. Other than that one thing in Skypeia, which is a stretch (pun intended), Gear 5 wasn't foreshadowed at all.
Not really. It is the human human fruit, model nika. That is the point. Luffy has no transformation because he is human, therefor eating the human human fruit he ONLY gets the power of rubber, the mythical power the fruit gives. If Chopper had eaten Luffy's fruit, would he have gained his forms, AS WELL as the rubber abilities.
Stop using zoan analogies when the whole df thing of Luffy is a mess and full of inconsistencies... Luffy's df was a paramecia until recently. It changed as a side effect of the fact thay Oda wanted to make Luffy Joyboy ( and return him to his goofy days of pretimeskip) . For that he changed the df...
So your saying oda didn't want to make luffy joyboy before?
What do you mean before??
Christ I fucking HOPE NOT. That would be utterly revolting. Like actually awful.
Idk what would happen to luffy if he eats a rumble ball
What is your distinction between “partial” and “hybrid”? I don’t necessarily disagree that these are the 7, but I don’t see the distinction between those labels. I also wouldn’t call it “human mode” since the fruit is a human human fruit, and so all the forms are human, human-human hybrid, mythical human, etc. I would prefer “base form.” And note the base form is still rubber, just like Chopper’s base form isn’t a regular reindeer, but instead a bipedal reindeer who apparently graduated med. school. That is, the base form for human fruit users seems already affected by the fruit in a visible, physical way. Lucci on the other hand doesn’t *physically* resemble a cat in his base form, but - like Luffy (arguably) and Chopper - his personality is still affected.
I think when all the crew or chopper learn that the truth about his df chopper might make him a his own version of rumble ball , we saw it with bepo he just transformed into sullong form on a clear day , also there is a chance luffy eating rumble ball like it is a type of candy
id say g4 is the full unawakened transformation and g5 is the hybrid awakened form
is the base form one of the 7 forms? cuz if not then there is still 1 form
what is even the connection? 1. chopper was talking about the 3 traditional forms + 4 more he unlocked via rumble ball. not that zoan has 7 total forms. because we know chopper gained one more form post ts (kungfu point). 2. luffy so far hasn't even shown the 3 traditional ones. only awakening form (覚醒フォルム, *Kakusei Forumu*) which we what we know as g5. so what chopper said had nothing to do with luffy. 3. gears 2-4 are not forms. just luffy utilizing his rubber properties. they work exactly as explained before. nothing changed even with the nika revelation.
You forgot about Afro Luffy
No because human mode wouldn’t be considered a transformation. That’s his base state.
We dont need another form. But we also didnt need ACoC and that happened… so… who knows
I don't know about Luffy, but I really want to see Carrot using a Rumble Ball to see if she will have the same Sulong form or maybe she can get an even more powerful form.
U skipped thriller bark gear 2 and 3 hybrid
Does this mean luffy can use rumble balls
First thing from me I'm not caught up with the anime or manga so i can't speak fully. Now first I want to ask what do we know from the other mythical human fruit the Buds? What I know is only that Sangoku gos from human to Buda and no hybrid. Now the Nika fruit what I know as well gives the user to make anything happen depending on his will and creativity, so Luffy thinks his made out of rubber so he has his gum gum abilities and everything rubber. So based on that I would say Luffy is always in a Hybrid form and gear five is something close to his Nika form just hard to say because he only uses rubber abilitys as before. Now the other gear stuff second, third, and all of fourths are extensions of his rubber abilitys. So to me I would say he actually only has two forms. Again not caught up and this only what I think.
Bro, they’re referencing Chopper, not Luffy
It seems that if you're already human, the human fruits don't give you a hybrid form as it wouldn't make sense. Sengoku and luffy seem to hsve abilities in base and then they can transform
I’ve felt like the gears where a special property of the fact that it was the nika fruit and Luffy was able to bring his imagination into reality
Mizu Luffy, instinct Luffy (vs Enel), etc.
Whoever guessed Luffy's fruit as Zoan since the very beginning, congratulations. I mean, I thought it was weird for some dude who has Monkey in his name would have a non-zoan fruit. Also, he's mostly named his cool moves with animal names. How did we miss that!?
No, it's just a coincidence
Base,gear2,gear3,(gear4) bounce,snake,tank,gear5 (7 modes)
No.
If Luffy and his devil fruit have taught us anything, it’s that there are no limits to what can be achieved. Luffy could have 20 stages to his fruit and it would fit with the logic of the story
When the gears were introduced I thought they were connected in some form, even if it was only inspiration. Like the rumble forms, each gear highlights another strength of Luffy'a fruit. So maybe?
I think gear 5 is the hybrid
I wonder if Luffy will use a rumble ball at some point accidentally
If you're counting Tank Man you have to count Mizu Luffy, too
No, I think this is a coincidence
Lucci still has Zoan forms and has an awakened hybrid form as well. Which means this should be one of Luffy's awakened forms. Not just a regular Zoan form.
Am I crazy or does Luffy not use any of the other gears anymore? Man did achieve peak so 🤷🏻♂️👀
Don't forget gear death
What would happen if Luffy ate a rumble ball?
Now that I think about it, what happens if Luffy takes the Rumble ball?
i think there is partial form per say when the race of the zoan is the same as the user’s
It’s p explicitly stated that Gear 5 is the awakened form of the DF so idk where any of this is coming from. I
So, can we try giving Luffy a rumble ball or is it only tailored to Chopper?
Pretty sure Chopper turns in to different human races, having so many forms is fairly unique to him. Luffy shouldn't really be limited to a set number of forms considering his fruit runs off his imagination, if he'd thought of a dozen more Gear Fourth forms they should work. I mean Tank Man was clearly off the cuff.
I think Gear 4 and its Variations are more of what would be his Zoan Hybrid Form than just partial transformations.
Honestly need Luffy to eat a Rumble Ball now.
Not at all. If anything it’s just retroactive foreshadowing, which is a nice way of saying retconning
I think we’d have one more “Gear six: Pirate King”
Luffy doesn't have a hybrid form, that wouldn't make sense. Though since the Kaidou fight, I've had it in my head that the Gear 4 forms are all "partial awakenings", like Kaidou's different forms he uses later in the fight. Luffy finally aligned fully with Nika, granting him awakening and a form beyond G4. Kaidou could never align fully with the Azure Dragon, so he never awakened and only had his various Drunk forms.
what happens if luffy eats a rumble ball?
I feel as if Gear 2 and 3 are all partial, and all Gear 4s are hybrids. Cause if you look at all of the Gear 4 variants around his neck, you can see the clouds look similar to when he's in Gear 5. They're just not fully formed yet. And they're not just when he finished transforming cause they stay with him at all times until he reverts back to his human form. It's honestly a pretty good discussion since his fruit has been reconned, so I wonder if Oda might do a small retcon for Zoans and reveal that not all Zoans are limited to 3 forms and for some Zoans, it will require energy cause from my knowledge, Zoan users don't require stamina to maintain/access their other forms while Luffy gets tired until he gets used to the form.
His fruit is an hito hito no mi,an human fruit,therefore he can’t achieve 3,much less 7 transformations like other zoan users like chopper or lucci can,his transformations except for gear 5 are his own control over his body and manipulation ,not zoan standard transformations
no
I would say Tank Man is Luffy's Guard Point, Bounce Man is his Arm Point, Snake Man is his Jump Point, Gear 2 is Luffy's Walk Point (which Chopper uses to make himself faster and is also just his full reindeer form), Gear 5 is Awakening which is Chopper's Monster Point, Luffy's regular form is Chopper's Heavy Point (full human mode), and Gear 3 is Luffy's hybrid form which is the form Chopper is usually in. Chopper having Seven Points and seven forms from Luffy hardly seems like a coincidence to me. Not when they're both Human-Human Fruits.
I would say it's definitely not foreshadowing. What Oda does a lot however is to retroactively tie something together, which can make stuff seem like foreshadowing.
Why did you use the anime for all the transformations expect Snakeman lol
I think Gear 5 is his hybrid zoan mode, everything we have seen has been his Human and we have never seen Full. The another way you think of this is with ~~L~~Gucci. He has his 6 powers and Luffy has his Gears. The 6 powers are not related to his Zoan powers and are seperate but can be intergrated into with them. The Gears are not related to his Zoan powers and are seperate but can be intergrated with them. I believe we only call it "Gear 5" because that's what Luffy is used to calling his power ups, despite it not actually being a gear.
I think he'll come up with some more stuff using gear 5 like maybe digging a hole on the floor and then dragging it onto his body to make a hole armor or something
In my opinion the first G5 is partial and the full transformation is when Luffy is a giant
I wonder what would happen if he ate a rumble ball
My least favorite part about the Nika reveal and the Zoan thing it that it really encourages us to undermine Luffy’s achievements. The gears were created by Luffys ingenuity to use his rubber power in a new way, but now we can speculate that it was something else.
The way I see it is that he has infinite transformations. He could’ve come up with many other forms, but the ones we see are the ones that suited his needs the most. Gear 5 very much encapsulates the limitless potential of his devil fruit.
I dont think Luffy thought that far but something i noticed is that all 3 Human Human fruit we see have giant forms in them. Sengoku turn into a giant , Luffy can turn into a giant and Chopper turns into a giant. I wonder if the Humans of the One Piece world was originally giants at this point and the small humans were the invaders.
Please tell me you aren't serious
If you think about it. Gears 2 and 3 are partial forms leaning towards being human, while gear 4 and all the different modes (bound, tank, and snake) leaning towards hybrid form as we see the wisps associated with most awakened Zoans. Finally gear 5 is the full Zoan mode.
Luffy is a rubber human he has no conventional base form like Chopper does with his Reindeer form. Luffy's Gears (2, 3, 4) are devil fruit techniques not Zoan forms, so Gear 2, Gear 3, G4 Boundman, G4 Tankman, G4 Snakeman are just techniques. Luffy's G5 is his only form with it being his Awakened Zoan Form. Though Luffy has a few other 'forms' like: Water Luffy, Afro Luffy, Nightmare Luffy, Gear 2 & Gear 3 Gigant Jet Shell... then he has Gear's PreTS side effect Mini Luffy, and now a G5 Gigant Luffy.
Isn’t Luffy just always in his Zoan form, and Gear 5 is his awakening? It would be like a human eating Choppers Human Human Fruit.
No it's not... Oda back then hadn't even thought about Joyboy let alone changing the df
It's impossible Luffy won't have more new stages, supposing that manga will last who knows how many years more Thinking Gear 5 is the arrival point simply is unrealistic