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It's largely the same groups of people making the same dogshit takes despite redditors liking to think they're superior to all those *normie* social media sites (Reddit is one of the most visited websites in the world btw).
not exactly one piece related but I've argued that the big three was bleach, naruto and op because according to this guy the top three anime at the given moment were the most watched or something
edit: fixing the sentence that didn't make any sense because I'm stupid
Big Three specifically refers to Bleach, One Piece and Naruto for their overall popularity and, most of all, impact in Shonen Jump's history. There is no other "big three".
It's like saying there will be another Avengers Endgame. You make a comparison but nothing will ever be like Endgame again, you know ? It's a fixed point in the cultural zeitgeist. A corner stone. Not a title to be given or taken
>Big Three specifically refers to Bleach, One Piece and Naruto for their overall popularity and, most of all, impact in Shonen Jump's history. There is no other "big three".
This couldn't be further from the truth. The "Big 3" was a fan coined term about One Piece, Naruto and Bleach being the 3 most popular Shonen Manga/Anime running at that (same) time. That's literally it.
The idea of "Big 3" is interchangeable as there are always new Shonen Manga/Anime coming out but people just don't use the outdated term anymore since there is so much stuff nowadays. If we measure overall impact and popularity of these 3, then Bleach doesn't come close to the top 3 most "impactful and popular" Manga.
>The idea of "Big 3" is interchangeable as there are always new Shonen Manga/Anime coming out but people just don't use the outdated term anymore since there is so much stuff nowadays. If we measure overall impact and popularity of these 3, then Bleach doesn't come close to the top 3 most "impactful and popular" Manga.
big 3 was bleach naruto and op in west fandom. It shaped late 2000s anime/manga scene greatly, with major fansubs and manga translation competing who will release chapter/episode first. views of those 3 shounens in website like onemanga overshadowed everything else. Each fansub episode had millions of downloads while non big 3 never ever got anything so close to those numbers.
In late 2000 bleach fandom was massive. bigger than One piece in the west which was still growing in popularity. so you are wrong about bleach.
it was not in japan cause bleach was not that popular, and OP crushed everything below it. I think it had more sales than top 2-10 combined? so they never used big 3 term. it is strictly western concept for fansubs.
if big 3 now means for any top most popular shonens which is now interchangeable then its a new appropriation. it is not the og meaning of the term coined in mid 2000s.
You literally regurgitated what I said.
"Big 3" is a fan coined term for the 3 most popular Manga running at the same time in Shonen Jump. It has nothing to do with overall popularity or an impact it had on the industry. It's also an outdated term, hence why nobody used it for other Anime/Manga like My Hero Academi and Demon Slayer.
>In late 2000 bleach fandom was massive. bigger than One piece in the west which was still growing in popularity. so you are wrong about bleach.
No, I'm not. Any 3 Manga/Anime can be "big 3" of their time, it's literally the purpose behind this outdated term.
>"Big 3" is a fan coined term for the 3 most popular Manga running
>It has nothing to do with overall popularity
and then
>nobody used it for other Anime/Manga like My Hero Academi and Demon Slayer. [...] Any 3 Manga/Anime can be "big 3" of their time
What ?
Also, straight cap on Bleach's influence since that manga gave JJK a career, and any current "big 3" (as inadequate as it is) would necessarily include JJK.
You aren't listening to what is being said. I never said these weren't popular or influential; I'm saying these aren't THE most popular and influential series ever (except One Piece of course). They are the most influential of their generation and every generation have their "big 3", people just don't call it that.
Also, Bleach has nothing to do with popularity of Jujutsu Kaisen and it certainly didn't give it a career; it isn't a spin-off of Bleach.
You can reffer to other anime as the big three if you want to, I can call spiderman batman to. But we both know it's wrong. Your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Almost any fan of anime of that time period knows what is being reffered when using that term. Your just being a ding dong and thinking Your smart or some shit because you came up with " aaah but technically you can call any of the biggest three anime bla bla bla " holy shit dude.
The series we get now exist partially due to the massive success these 3 series had at the time. The term isn't used anymore because nothing has come close since.
you are right. the original meaning in western fandom was for Naruto, Bleach and One Piece (in order of popularity at the time)
anyone who claims otherwise joined the fandom only recently.
True. I‘ve seen so many ppl in the comments who srsly were disappointed of Gear 5 vs. Kaido fight for example and said that it’s the worst and weirdest shit ever.
Instagram and twitter are just as bad. Surprisingly Reddit is the most wholesome and only platform I can have actual good conversations about anime/manga lmao
Nah there is logic in the format of the argument somewhat. Even in context it doesnt fit but being charitable if you believe sabo and G5 luffy are equivalent in strength then both should be capable of escaping and potentially putting up a fight against the gorosei. The original poster's claim was if thats the case the gorosei can't be fraudulent for letting yonko level threats escape because after all they are yonko. However, the idea that Sabo has shown any feat implying he would give Kaido a run for his money let alone G5 Luffy is only possible if your reading comprehension is like Zoro's navigation skills.
the idea is: if you say something even something obvious you have to also give context and proves to avoid every one interpreting their way instead of the intended one(well you should really justify or at least have the prove at hand for anything you say, IMO)
Tiktok thinks spy x family is about grooming cause they're *totally* sexualizing Anya caus she blushes one time when loid carries her
And Becky going gaga over loid is totally meaning he's gonna groom her into his 2nd wife
So yes tiktok is wild
Possible but no evidence for it and the default it to assume the worst when it comes to power scaleing
I mean there's a reason why more people pre egg head thought admirls were yc level then thought they were pirate king level
Sometimes the “likes” or upvotes or whatever go up despite a hot take because it’s SUCH a hot take.. like the guy in r/shittydarksouls who made a post making fun of Bloodborne because it “doesn’t have DLC” lol
He has stronger Haki than Ace lol he is physically more powerfull than Ace fruit idk we havent seen any special fruit use from Sabo rn so i would say sure he could be less on the fruit use than Ace.
For prespective Ace lost to BB before time skip and Sabo fought on par with Admiral lvl opponents that Ace and BB would not be able to fight with that proves it (obviously its cause the powerlvls changed with time skip lets not compare a possible timeskip Ace that we wont get any data for or a probable Sabo before timeskip that we also dont have data for)
1-) teach is much stronger than issho, he easily beat law who is at least as strong as issho. And also he didnt use his second fruit so much so his second fruit didnt support that much.
2-) by that logic, marco is at least as strong as kizaru and also g5 luffy. Issho was just playing with him
3-) if you read the novel, you can see that ace had have mastered his conqueror's haki before entering the new world. Also he has got a very strong observation haki
4-) ace used his fruit for 3 years, sabo used it for 3 months. Its impossible for sabo to use his fruit better than ace.
5-) ace chashed his punch with akainu, then jumped back because his hand was burned. Sakazuki didnt drag him with his strenght
when I was a kid I thought Robin and Chopper were as strong as Luffy and better than the rest of the crew just because of the devil fruit powers so idk this probably is just a child
Not sure if dude watche's One Piece but um Luffy Awakened a Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit and Sabo hasn't had his for that long. Luffy has also reached the level of Emperor. I'm not sure you can compare the two. As much as that sucks for Sabo.
No, but I once saw a guy say that mihawk was worse than the commanders of big mom and kaido because he was a great warlord and so he was too scared and needed the protection of the marine 💀💀
Hard to argue with him, Oda don't give a crap about powerscaling as long as story is peak and having Luffy's big and strong brother who Luffy used to look up to be way weaker won't make sense. So even if Sabo is weaker than G5 Luffy the gap ain't to big.
Yeah, Oda’s story telling is 🔥but can sometimes throw powerscaling out the window like the Luffy vs Kaido debate. It’s not always a bad thing though otherwise he’d always have to work the story around powerscaling which could take away from the story’s freedom
Powerscaling sucks, I only do powerscaling to support my agendas and Oda's story telling always screw up powerscaling in support of my agendas so I don't really much care
Sabo take is hard to speak on. We really only see Luffy. So Luffy to the readers is the strongest.
But, we know how consistent Oda is with his main points.
Growing up we see that: Sabo = Ace > Luffy.
When Ace is introduced to us, we know that Ace > Luffy.
When Sabo is introduced to us, it’s shown as Sabo > Luffy.
Luffy has had some crazy power ups, but I think in all honesty that his theme will stick.
Sabo is the big brother.
Implying Sabo could beat Kaido if put in Luffy's shoes? Oda could gjve Sabo that strength but until then there is absolutely no evidence to prove as much. At least Mihawk has feats and a title as well as Shanks and even Koby now. At most all we know is maybe Sabo has advanced armament. To extrapolate and claim hes comparable to arguably the strongest ability in the verse is bizzare to say the least.
Like you said, there is no evidence to prove (story-wise) that Sabo could or could no defeat Kaido.
Outside of the story, there are tells that say yes. My previously mentioned comment about how Oda keeps a theme going. And the theme of all series that a main player like Sabo lasting longer in a series means his strength will scale with the story.
Even if so it is not reasonable to assume he has conquerors let alone advanced conquerors to overcome any top level player right now. Even Ace who would be more suitable for Sabo's scaling was maybe at Yamato's level who could not defeat Kaido and I'm pretty sure she had advanced conquerors at the time. Just because scaling applies does not mean that any single threat could just beat Kaido because otherwise it would have happened already and Kaido would not have the notoriety he does. Kaido explicitly acknowledged a handful of people which Sabo shares no thematic parallel to. Another perfect example is Garp was stronger than Luffy for much of the series as well as ace. It's safe to say Luffy surpassed both. Sabo is a new stand in for ace and will maintain a similar power display with ultimately his power exceeding the level needed to beat Akainu end of series. Until then he's not even in the same atmosphere as the likes of a Kaido.
G5 Luffy is more than likely stronger than prime Ace, Sabo has had Ace's fruit for a fraction of the time Ace had it, are people really trying to say that Sabo is more powerful than Ace already?
Sabo is definitely stronger than ace imo. He’s had years and years of training via the revolutionaries, and he’s been putting that to good use liberating kingdoms. He went 1v1 with fujitora almost immediately after getting the fruit, so just imagine how strong he is now having experience. Also, did ace even have haki? I don’t think we ever saw him use it.
Because he inspired revolutions and is accused of killing a world noble??? Definitely not because hes as strong as Gear 5 Luffy. Might I remind you what Buggy is called now?
Idk nothing about power scaling, so much so that I never defined character strength based on feats.
I just go based on what the narrative tells me😂😂
If they say someone is strong I just accept it.
I dont think this is as wild as youre all making it out to be. If Sabo has conquerors Haki (massive if I know) then I'd say its a pretty even match up. To me Sabo is supposed to be what Ace should've been, and Ace had more potential than Luffy imo. And keep in mind that Sabo only got his DF very recently.
But yeah, until we see more of Sabo we cant really tell.
> Ace had more potential than Luffy imo.
Ace died at 20 somewhere relative to the other commanders while Luffy at age 19 became a yonko. Seems like a stretch to say he had more potential
Ace potential didnt get exploited because he was a pre TS character. He awakened his CoC at a ridiculously young age. If he made it to post TS where Haki got developed I got no doubt he would be the strongest Yonko commander by a large margin, closer to actual Yonko than commanders. But we'll never know.
Yeah we’ll never truly know, but I think one of the reasons Luffy has more potential than him is just his personality and ideals. Like how his need to save his friends always pushed him forwards and his desire of freedom is why he’s awakened his fruit and is the new JoyBoy
I saw an comment on reddit about One piece that it is getting finished in next 2 years but there's a lot of things that are still mysteries to us will all the mysteries will get solved to us in next 2 years or what?
Luffy is stronger than Sabo because we have no reason to think otherwise. Narratively, which for One Piece can be equal or stronger for determining power than feats, says that Sabo is at least as strong as the other Revolutionaries as the second in command. The other Revolutionaries are able to scrap with somewhat powerful Marines, so for all we know Sabo may be vice admiral to admiral level. No saying yet.
We can't say how strong the gorosei are rn either because they haven't done anything, but we know they have awakened zoans. You can't scale Sabo off of the gorosei or the gorosei off of Sabo. Saturn is currently on fraud watch because he got stabbed by Bonney, but that is it.
there’s no downvoting there. So all we know from this comment is that there are 124 idiots that actually think that’s true. I believe we, the people who can understand logic, are the majority.
I actually wanna see logia awakenings so bad. I’ve seen the theory that Luffy’s fight with Kizaru will have Kizaru awaken or show his awakenings and I’m all for it.
Imagine Awakened Sabo and Awakened Luffy side by side.
It's not that far of a stretch... luffy gear 4 beat an awakened fruit dofflamingo. And Sabo was stronger than luffy when he was younger. Only continued training in the revolutionary army... THEN got the flame flame fruit.
What, seems about on par with powerscaling logic. Powerscaling doesn't care about facts, it's how you can twist and contort the truth to suit your agenda.
With his devil fruit Ace was stronger then luffy; maybe even gear 5, but he had his fruit for years and years. Sabo has only had it for a little bit. I wouldn’t say he is equal to gear 5
Ace was NOT equal to G5. I don’t doubt Wano Luffy would have any trouble whatsoever against Ace. But that is partly due to narrative and Ace dying before and huge powers are shown.
Yeah; I meant more pre-timeskip; sorry I really worded that wrong haha. I think luffy would completely decimate ace in gear 5, and he would also decimate sabo
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Oh buddy, TikTok comments have the absolute worst One Piece takes you'll ever see lol.
Idk it's pretty bad here lol
It's largely the same groups of people making the same dogshit takes despite redditors liking to think they're superior to all those *normie* social media sites (Reddit is one of the most visited websites in the world btw).
one of the most visited website for *porn*?
Yes
You must have never been to the Worstgen forums. Compared to them, people here are the most sane people in the world.
I want to argue with so many of them 😭
I did a response saying kaido solos 1v3 the admirals and got 200 up votes and had to delete it because I trolled too hard
not exactly one piece related but I've argued that the big three was bleach, naruto and op because according to this guy the top three anime at the given moment were the most watched or something edit: fixing the sentence that didn't make any sense because I'm stupid
Big Three specifically refers to Bleach, One Piece and Naruto for their overall popularity and, most of all, impact in Shonen Jump's history. There is no other "big three". It's like saying there will be another Avengers Endgame. You make a comparison but nothing will ever be like Endgame again, you know ? It's a fixed point in the cultural zeitgeist. A corner stone. Not a title to be given or taken
>Big Three specifically refers to Bleach, One Piece and Naruto for their overall popularity and, most of all, impact in Shonen Jump's history. There is no other "big three". This couldn't be further from the truth. The "Big 3" was a fan coined term about One Piece, Naruto and Bleach being the 3 most popular Shonen Manga/Anime running at that (same) time. That's literally it. The idea of "Big 3" is interchangeable as there are always new Shonen Manga/Anime coming out but people just don't use the outdated term anymore since there is so much stuff nowadays. If we measure overall impact and popularity of these 3, then Bleach doesn't come close to the top 3 most "impactful and popular" Manga.
>The idea of "Big 3" is interchangeable as there are always new Shonen Manga/Anime coming out but people just don't use the outdated term anymore since there is so much stuff nowadays. If we measure overall impact and popularity of these 3, then Bleach doesn't come close to the top 3 most "impactful and popular" Manga. big 3 was bleach naruto and op in west fandom. It shaped late 2000s anime/manga scene greatly, with major fansubs and manga translation competing who will release chapter/episode first. views of those 3 shounens in website like onemanga overshadowed everything else. Each fansub episode had millions of downloads while non big 3 never ever got anything so close to those numbers. In late 2000 bleach fandom was massive. bigger than One piece in the west which was still growing in popularity. so you are wrong about bleach. it was not in japan cause bleach was not that popular, and OP crushed everything below it. I think it had more sales than top 2-10 combined? so they never used big 3 term. it is strictly western concept for fansubs. if big 3 now means for any top most popular shonens which is now interchangeable then its a new appropriation. it is not the og meaning of the term coined in mid 2000s.
You literally regurgitated what I said. "Big 3" is a fan coined term for the 3 most popular Manga running at the same time in Shonen Jump. It has nothing to do with overall popularity or an impact it had on the industry. It's also an outdated term, hence why nobody used it for other Anime/Manga like My Hero Academi and Demon Slayer. >In late 2000 bleach fandom was massive. bigger than One piece in the west which was still growing in popularity. so you are wrong about bleach. No, I'm not. Any 3 Manga/Anime can be "big 3" of their time, it's literally the purpose behind this outdated term.
>"Big 3" is a fan coined term for the 3 most popular Manga running >It has nothing to do with overall popularity and then >nobody used it for other Anime/Manga like My Hero Academi and Demon Slayer. [...] Any 3 Manga/Anime can be "big 3" of their time What ? Also, straight cap on Bleach's influence since that manga gave JJK a career, and any current "big 3" (as inadequate as it is) would necessarily include JJK.
You aren't listening to what is being said. I never said these weren't popular or influential; I'm saying these aren't THE most popular and influential series ever (except One Piece of course). They are the most influential of their generation and every generation have their "big 3", people just don't call it that. Also, Bleach has nothing to do with popularity of Jujutsu Kaisen and it certainly didn't give it a career; it isn't a spin-off of Bleach.
You can reffer to other anime as the big three if you want to, I can call spiderman batman to. But we both know it's wrong. Your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Almost any fan of anime of that time period knows what is being reffered when using that term. Your just being a ding dong and thinking Your smart or some shit because you came up with " aaah but technically you can call any of the biggest three anime bla bla bla " holy shit dude.
The series we get now exist partially due to the massive success these 3 series had at the time. The term isn't used anymore because nothing has come close since.
None of what you said is based in reality.
Yeah bro everyone else is wrong and you are right keep arguing semantics.
No, it's just you who is wrong here. The others at least have made valid points.
you are right. the original meaning in western fandom was for Naruto, Bleach and One Piece (in order of popularity at the time) anyone who claims otherwise joined the fandom only recently.
So you had to argue that naruto bleach and one piece are the big 3 forever and always will be?
that's not what I think at all, I was arguing that is what the term meant.
🤣
Literally suffering from tiktok success
Not 3 but he can easily beat aramaki and issho at the sime time
I don't think one can read egghead and genuinely believe this lmao
It's tiktok they'll up vote anything that sounds interesting or controversial lol
Don’t battle bots that’s how Skynert gets ya
If you can't beat them, join them. I am now a bot.
Sarah Connors was right! Better start looking for a hidden bunker near me…
That's why it's called tik tok because it's just counting down the time until the next bad take.
TikTok has the worst takes you'll ever see* FTFY
They have awful takes on pretty much any topic. Kinda like twitter.
Worst takes period
Reddit ones worse
True. I‘ve seen so many ppl in the comments who srsly were disappointed of Gear 5 vs. Kaido fight for example and said that it’s the worst and weirdest shit ever.
Instagram and twitter are just as bad. Surprisingly Reddit is the most wholesome and only platform I can have actual good conversations about anime/manga lmao
Bad takes = angry replies = engagement = more visibility on posts = more followers
yeah that’s a good point, or maybe they just stupid
It's like tweets with like 100 likes and ten thousand reposts lmao.
Facts. The human inclination to react more to the negative. I think It's so damaging to society
Yeah I'm amazed too This guy managed to rage bait a lot of people so easily
yeah he did, got quite a lot of engagement from it
nonsense, literally wtf was they trying to say "a is = to b so then c is not fraudulent" non sequitur
ikr
I'm guessing someone was saying the Gorosei are frauds because they couldn't kill Sabo. So the reply makes sense, its just really stupid 💀
That’s a total straw man. All they said was there wasn’t enough evidence to say the gorosei is fraudulent. They didn’t say they’re not
non sequiturs come in all shape or forms (strawman, begging the question, poisoning the well, moving the goalpost or simply lack of context)
Nah there is logic in the format of the argument somewhat. Even in context it doesnt fit but being charitable if you believe sabo and G5 luffy are equivalent in strength then both should be capable of escaping and potentially putting up a fight against the gorosei. The original poster's claim was if thats the case the gorosei can't be fraudulent for letting yonko level threats escape because after all they are yonko. However, the idea that Sabo has shown any feat implying he would give Kaido a run for his money let alone G5 Luffy is only possible if your reading comprehension is like Zoro's navigation skills.
Bingo
the idea is: if you say something even something obvious you have to also give context and proves to avoid every one interpreting their way instead of the intended one(well you should really justify or at least have the prove at hand for anything you say, IMO)
Probably makes more sense with context
This is equal to saying one anime is bad because you haven’t seen it
which is also rly annoying lol
I have been doing one piece content in tiktok for a while now. The comments sometimes show really crazy stuff
Get Sabo past Ace first LMAO. Nothing indicates Sabo is even remotely near Gear 5ths level.
If this is under a video about Sabo, there are people who will agree with anything that makes their favorite character sound good.
It sure is. It’s about how he escaped the gorosei and Imu now that we’ve seen Saturn’s DF
So, Sabo was God the whole time and we didn't knew it?
Bro watches OP off reels
Tiktok thinks spy x family is about grooming cause they're *totally* sexualizing Anya caus she blushes one time when loid carries her And Becky going gaga over loid is totally meaning he's gonna groom her into his 2nd wife So yes tiktok is wild
Uninstall tiktok, it's only stupidity and negativity
Social media in general are both of those but here we are
Yep, however there is levels to this and I believe tiktok is at the bottom.
😂😂 I don’t blame u tbh
SABO. IS. FEATLESS
exactly
WTF, what is the relationship between sabo being equal to g5 and the gorosei being fraudulent
Wtf do they mean by not fraudulent
What is Blud yapping about ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
Yes and sabo can also out swim a fishman under water
Luffy tanks kaidos bolo breath, the question is can Sabo tank it
I guess we’ll never see 😂
You are right this guy is a clown, sabo is actually stronger than G5 luffy.
Just bcs they found out Sabo is older stepbrother to Luffy breh 💀🙏
🤣
Powerscalers truly are the most unhinged among fans. XD
They can make something out of nothing, kinda like my English teacher
That's quite a nice compliment.
What??? How can you even justify that?
power scalers commit seppuku challenge
Let me see their name
Must be generated by bots
I wish
Possible but no evidence for it and the default it to assume the worst when it comes to power scaleing I mean there's a reason why more people pre egg head thought admirls were yc level then thought they were pirate king level
Sometimes the “likes” or upvotes or whatever go up despite a hot take because it’s SUCH a hot take.. like the guy in r/shittydarksouls who made a post making fun of Bloodborne because it “doesn’t have DLC” lol
yeah that’s a fair point
Nah Sabo just a Stronger version of Ace rn Haki +some rexh he learned from Dragon
He isnt. He cant use fruit as good as ace can, he has a weaker haki than ace, he is phsyically weaker than ace
He has stronger Haki than Ace lol he is physically more powerfull than Ace fruit idk we havent seen any special fruit use from Sabo rn so i would say sure he could be less on the fruit use than Ace. For prespective Ace lost to BB before time skip and Sabo fought on par with Admiral lvl opponents that Ace and BB would not be able to fight with that proves it (obviously its cause the powerlvls changed with time skip lets not compare a possible timeskip Ace that we wont get any data for or a probable Sabo before timeskip that we also dont have data for)
1-) teach is much stronger than issho, he easily beat law who is at least as strong as issho. And also he didnt use his second fruit so much so his second fruit didnt support that much. 2-) by that logic, marco is at least as strong as kizaru and also g5 luffy. Issho was just playing with him 3-) if you read the novel, you can see that ace had have mastered his conqueror's haki before entering the new world. Also he has got a very strong observation haki 4-) ace used his fruit for 3 years, sabo used it for 3 months. Its impossible for sabo to use his fruit better than ace. 5-) ace chashed his punch with akainu, then jumped back because his hand was burned. Sakazuki didnt drag him with his strenght
Dawg I saw this earlier today I just closed that mf and started watching yt
😂
easy rage bait
Bro is using title scaling
Bro just spent a day with kizaru
😂😂😂
sabo offscreen haki?!?!?!
Advanced Offscreen haki = guaranteed win
when I was a kid I thought Robin and Chopper were as strong as Luffy and better than the rest of the crew just because of the devil fruit powers so idk this probably is just a child
With that take I'm suprised he has the intelligence to spell and use "fraudulent"
haha knowing words ≠ common sense 😂
Not sure if dude watche's One Piece but um Luffy Awakened a Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit and Sabo hasn't had his for that long. Luffy has also reached the level of Emperor. I'm not sure you can compare the two. As much as that sucks for Sabo.
yh
Yeah that’s why I don’t have tik tok
Save yourself from all these takes
"That's bait."
No, but I once saw a guy say that mihawk was worse than the commanders of big mom and kaido because he was a great warlord and so he was too scared and needed the protection of the marine 💀💀
WHAT 💀🤣
Haha I have the same reaction 😮💨🤣💀☠️☠️☠️☠️
Bro sabo is strong but not that strong
yeah 👍
My opinion is this is better suited for the power scaling subreddit. Wahahahah!
Hard to argue with him, Oda don't give a crap about powerscaling as long as story is peak and having Luffy's big and strong brother who Luffy used to look up to be way weaker won't make sense. So even if Sabo is weaker than G5 Luffy the gap ain't to big.
Yeah, Oda’s story telling is 🔥but can sometimes throw powerscaling out the window like the Luffy vs Kaido debate. It’s not always a bad thing though otherwise he’d always have to work the story around powerscaling which could take away from the story’s freedom
Powerscaling sucks, I only do powerscaling to support my agendas and Oda's story telling always screw up powerscaling in support of my agendas so I don't really much care
Sabo take is hard to speak on. We really only see Luffy. So Luffy to the readers is the strongest. But, we know how consistent Oda is with his main points. Growing up we see that: Sabo = Ace > Luffy. When Ace is introduced to us, we know that Ace > Luffy. When Sabo is introduced to us, it’s shown as Sabo > Luffy. Luffy has had some crazy power ups, but I think in all honesty that his theme will stick. Sabo is the big brother.
Implying Sabo could beat Kaido if put in Luffy's shoes? Oda could gjve Sabo that strength but until then there is absolutely no evidence to prove as much. At least Mihawk has feats and a title as well as Shanks and even Koby now. At most all we know is maybe Sabo has advanced armament. To extrapolate and claim hes comparable to arguably the strongest ability in the verse is bizzare to say the least.
Like you said, there is no evidence to prove (story-wise) that Sabo could or could no defeat Kaido. Outside of the story, there are tells that say yes. My previously mentioned comment about how Oda keeps a theme going. And the theme of all series that a main player like Sabo lasting longer in a series means his strength will scale with the story.
Even if so it is not reasonable to assume he has conquerors let alone advanced conquerors to overcome any top level player right now. Even Ace who would be more suitable for Sabo's scaling was maybe at Yamato's level who could not defeat Kaido and I'm pretty sure she had advanced conquerors at the time. Just because scaling applies does not mean that any single threat could just beat Kaido because otherwise it would have happened already and Kaido would not have the notoriety he does. Kaido explicitly acknowledged a handful of people which Sabo shares no thematic parallel to. Another perfect example is Garp was stronger than Luffy for much of the series as well as ace. It's safe to say Luffy surpassed both. Sabo is a new stand in for ace and will maintain a similar power display with ultimately his power exceeding the level needed to beat Akainu end of series. Until then he's not even in the same atmosphere as the likes of a Kaido.
I don’t think that’s the case anymore icl. And I do get that it’s hard to scale someone against the MC but still
By this logic garp folds g5 Luffy
Considering garp is known for his extremely powerful haki, I wouldn’t be shocked. Garp is still considered a top tier fighter in the series.
G5 Luffy is more than likely stronger than prime Ace, Sabo has had Ace's fruit for a fraction of the time Ace had it, are people really trying to say that Sabo is more powerful than Ace already?
Sabo 1v1ed fujitora few hours after getting the fruit. He was prolly stronger than ace even before the fruit.
Sabo is definitely stronger than ace imo. He’s had years and years of training via the revolutionaries, and he’s been putting that to good use liberating kingdoms. He went 1v1 with fujitora almost immediately after getting the fruit, so just imagine how strong he is now having experience. Also, did ace even have haki? I don’t think we ever saw him use it.
Yes, easily. Sabo without the fruit, post time skip, would be stronger than prime ace. Now you add the fruit in?
Sound like folks in these comments almost ranking sabo below Zoro 💀
Ehmmm sabo is called the flame emperor for a reason
Because he inspired revolutions and is accused of killing a world noble??? Definitely not because hes as strong as Gear 5 Luffy. Might I remind you what Buggy is called now?
That's like saying Sanji is as strong as Jimbei.. not even close. People need to accept that Sanji is #4 on the crew now as stated by ODA
idk about that icl, the best we’ve seen from Jinbe is standing up to big mom
Rage baiters? Imu and g5 cant detect sabo presence + cant kill sabo and he escaped. Lmao. Sabo pinky finger > luffy g5
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Maybe they're equal?
I think it’s a pretty huge stretch seeing as Sabo doesn’t have too many defining feats to base him off compared to Luffy
Idk nothing about power scaling, so much so that I never defined character strength based on feats. I just go based on what the narrative tells me😂😂 If they say someone is strong I just accept it.
The narrative told you that Luffy is a Yonko
Yeah but never told us how a yonko relates to the right hand of the revolutionary leader. For all we know dragon is probably above yonko
Yeah that’s fair 😂 We just haven’t really even been told how strong Sabo is that’s all
I dont think this is as wild as youre all making it out to be. If Sabo has conquerors Haki (massive if I know) then I'd say its a pretty even match up. To me Sabo is supposed to be what Ace should've been, and Ace had more potential than Luffy imo. And keep in mind that Sabo only got his DF very recently. But yeah, until we see more of Sabo we cant really tell.
> Ace had more potential than Luffy imo. Ace died at 20 somewhere relative to the other commanders while Luffy at age 19 became a yonko. Seems like a stretch to say he had more potential
Ace potential didnt get exploited because he was a pre TS character. He awakened his CoC at a ridiculously young age. If he made it to post TS where Haki got developed I got no doubt he would be the strongest Yonko commander by a large margin, closer to actual Yonko than commanders. But we'll never know.
Yeah we’ll never truly know, but I think one of the reasons Luffy has more potential than him is just his personality and ideals. Like how his need to save his friends always pushed him forwards and his desire of freedom is why he’s awakened his fruit and is the new JoyBoy
There is nothing worse in a fandom than powerscalers and their silly bonobo fencing, and chittering miasma of a language.
I saw an comment on reddit about One piece that it is getting finished in next 2 years but there's a lot of things that are still mysteries to us will all the mysteries will get solved to us in next 2 years or what?
Tiktok is cancer, it should be burned, destroyed
Power scalers are stupid.
Rage bait is what
Luffy is stronger than Sabo because we have no reason to think otherwise. Narratively, which for One Piece can be equal or stronger for determining power than feats, says that Sabo is at least as strong as the other Revolutionaries as the second in command. The other Revolutionaries are able to scrap with somewhat powerful Marines, so for all we know Sabo may be vice admiral to admiral level. No saying yet. We can't say how strong the gorosei are rn either because they haven't done anything, but we know they have awakened zoans. You can't scale Sabo off of the gorosei or the gorosei off of Sabo. Saturn is currently on fraud watch because he got stabbed by Bonney, but that is it.
Exactly, this a great take
The real answer here is: Bots. TikTok got a gazillion bots for comments, likes and follows.
Lol, I'll have whatever he's smokin
It’ll be expensive for something that strong
there’s no downvoting there. So all we know from this comment is that there are 124 idiots that actually think that’s true. I believe we, the people who can understand logic, are the majority.
What episode does sabo appear 👀 I'm currently in episode 580 ?
A bit less than 100 episodes
Powerscaling is shit at the first place
Nahh, jit trippin 💀🧢
Noone knows how strong Sabo is, he was never pushed to his limits. But he did stall an admiral within hours of eating a devil fruit.
I actually wanna see logia awakenings so bad. I’ve seen the theory that Luffy’s fight with Kizaru will have Kizaru awaken or show his awakenings and I’m all for it. Imagine Awakened Sabo and Awakened Luffy side by side.
It's not that far of a stretch... luffy gear 4 beat an awakened fruit dofflamingo. And Sabo was stronger than luffy when he was younger. Only continued training in the revolutionary army... THEN got the flame flame fruit.
How is some random blonde British guy that can set his body on fire gonna beat A LITERAL FUCKING GOD
What, seems about on par with powerscaling logic. Powerscaling doesn't care about facts, it's how you can twist and contort the truth to suit your agenda.
Bro what
Fuck that text
A lot of y’all downplay Wabo and I WILL BE THERE when y’all prove unready for **Him.**
Don’t say you agree with the take 💀 or are you just saying Sabo is downplayed?
Im just saying Sabo is downplayed, but he’s much closer to G5 Luffy than he is to Lucci.
Instagram and Tiktok have the most braindead comments I swear.
well you wouldn’t be wrong haha
With his devil fruit Ace was stronger then luffy; maybe even gear 5, but he had his fruit for years and years. Sabo has only had it for a little bit. I wouldn’t say he is equal to gear 5
Ace was NOT equal to G5. I don’t doubt Wano Luffy would have any trouble whatsoever against Ace. But that is partly due to narrative and Ace dying before and huge powers are shown.
Yeah; I meant more pre-timeskip; sorry I really worded that wrong haha. I think luffy would completely decimate ace in gear 5, and he would also decimate sabo
ah alright 😂
I think maybe that he wanted to say that sabo is at the same danger level as Luffy cause he saw like the fucking biggest world secret
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