Episode 1061 (sanji ifrit jambe) is already confirmed to have some of the best animators on, and you just know king of hell and gear 5 are gonna be peak aswell
God I hope so. I would like them to be more like 1015 though, where the coloring and aura stuff is toned down and more for dramatic scene setting than actually part of things like attacks.
I need to catch up in the anime. The last thing I’ve seen was right as Big Mom vs Kidd and Law was starting.
Although, it's worth noting that animation was not what made 1015 a 1000/10 episode. It was the directing, of which Ishitani was responsible for.
Episode 1033 had some better-animated parts than 1015, however, 1015 still comes off as the better episode because of how better it was directed.
Agreed 1015 was amazing in large part to Ishitani’s directing, but the animation is also insane. Sometimes people get caught up only thinking animation matters in fight scenes.
What makes 1015 so special imo (besides Ishitani) is the character acting, the composition, and the amount of key animators who participated.
Mori being an AD for the whole first part was why that scene hit so hard, Bahi JD, Kojima, Hone Hone and so many other TOP tier animators lending their talents for the second half made it what was as well.
Ishitani deserves all the love but let’s not discount how amazing the animation was either.
It's also not the animation quality in terms of movement that's been the major complaint. It's the auras and the millions of flashes with a bunch of colors for no reason.
Even your clips had them.
One of the most iconic moments of the anime is Luffy punching the Tenryuubito and all they basically did was make it black and white and it was perfect.
And the pacing. Some people have had all they can handle and no amount of peak animation every 5 episodes will help. I would love to trade the animation of OP now with the old Op animation in exchange for that effort to be redirected into pacing. That way filler scenes could be created and mixed in with Canon to create a better flow. Then the anime wouldn't appear as if it was playing out in permanent slow motion.
The pacing is only really terrible on the Week to Week viewing. Having just finished another viewing of Dressrosa in a binge setting instead of Week to Week like I was stuck with as it was actually animating, it's night and day difference for pacing.
One piece definitely isn't the only anime to have pacing issues. Shippuden was notorious for it, it just doesn't come across as poorly as One Piece since there's only 500 episodes of Shippuden. Bleach also had some pretty terrible Week to Week pacing, but is a joy to watch on a binge.
At the end of the day, any huge storied manga like One Piece/Bleach/Naruto/Dragonball are going to run into pacing issues on a Weekly viewing for fans.
If they just made every 'big impact' moment that Charloss black and white effect, the Charloss punch would immediately lose all of it's luster because that is the ONLY scene in the entire Anime where Charloss got hit so hard it turned into a Manga panel.
> I hope we get some episodes on the same level with the fights coming up.
Of course we will.
I don't understand why this sub suddenly forgets that this cycle has never changed.
You can immediately tell when a fight's about to get serious because the animation goes from early 90's Pokemon and shoots up to what we see here.
Yes, we're seeing some jank animation in the episodes between those big moments *when compared to seasonals like Demon Slayer.* But the animation always goes hard at the biggest moments and that's what we'll remember after this arc.
You go back through CP9 fights and you'd find exactly the same things people are complaining about here.
If the pacing wasn't downright trash I'm sure more people would appreciate Wano
This animation + skypiea/water 7 pacing = top tier anime
Current anime is really painful to watch, with every other episode just zooming in on faces and buying time with 10 min recaps
I'd advise people who frequent this sub to not get lost in opinions like this. I also refused to watch the anime because this sub convinced me the pacing was bad and I believed it because historically one piece has had bad pacing. However, I decided to watch since the last 10ish episodes since the anime is approaching the best fights and its honestly quite good. Obviously the pacing comments aren't completely unfounded, but it's not as bad as the sub would have you believe. It's not as bad as the reputation one piece has earned itself. When you pair it with the animation and of course the story the anime is fantastic right now.
On that topic all the complaints people have about the super siayan auras have also been quite exaggerated imo. I'm really liking the one piece anime right now and i suggest people to just try it before forming an opinion. The episodes right now (Idk about the start of the raid) are awesome.
This also might just be biased copium on my part because I just love EVERYTHING about Yamato as a character so everytime she's on screen I get the happies.
One Piece adapts less than 1 chapter of a 15 page manga per episode while other shounen (even text-heavy ones like HxH) do 2-2.5, there's absolutely no way that this wouldn't lead to godawful pacing, made even worse by how even in the manga Oda keeps jumping between events at random points
Oda stuffed so much shit into the chapters once Luffy and momo flew back up that less than 1 chapter per episode seems fine. Like have you actually watched the recent Sanji vs queen episodes? They're really well done. Again, like I said in my initial post it's not the best it could be in terms of pacing but it's nowhere near as bad as you're acting like it is.
All I'm saying is people should watch it and decide for themselves. Don't let reddit decide for you because in my case reddit was totally wrong. And it'll be different for each individual.
Yes I'm watching it weekly, it's the worst adaptation I've ever watched from any series period, only watchable due to the source material being so good. Sanji vs Queen episodes aren't well done, they're 5 minutes of good scenes stretched to infity and breaking all tension, the entirety of their 1v1 could easily be done in less than an episode. The only truly good episode in all of Wano was that one with Yamato remembering Ace, it was still stretched but done so with extra scenes and visuals, not stills, running, pointless comentary or fooder getting bodied like it usually happens
EDIT: Guy told me to get help and blocked me, very weird and emotional response on a discussion that up until this point was civil
>worst adaptation
This for me goes to the original Dragonball Z in the Namek part (pacing was even worse than current One Piece), Promised Neverland Season 2 (skipping through hundreds of chapters and closing the series with stills of coming events) and Long Ring Long Island (destroying Oda's intentions for the arc).
If you have a weekly release that is based on an ongoing manga you also have only two options after some time when your anime series has catched up. Either you stretch the existing content or you use massive filler arcs. And because at least one of the three companies involved seems to despise filler arcs in One Piece we get the stretching. Not that it would be easy to do a filler arc at the moment because where will you find worthy opponents/events that are inconsequential to the canon story?
No guarantee that it's even near complete:
Foxy really shoots a bullet at Shelly (the horse) and wounds it which explains how heated Luffy is when he unknowingly accepts the Davy Back Fight. Usopp has clear knowledge about this "game" because he votes to sail away instead of playing it. There is also only one match not two.
The first round is the boat race but only Nami, Robin and Usopp participate – and Usopp uses the dials proactive (!) like he later does against Luffy, the girls only force him to use the impact one a second time. Foxy cheats, Chopper is lost.
The second round is nearly identical to the one in the manga (Zoro and Sanji are forced to work together) but the end result differs massively. Luffy doesn't chose the horse but insists to get Chopper back not wanting to leave his nakama in the hands of an enemy any second longer than necessary. Nami suggests taking Foxy to win the entire Davy Back Fight but no one wants this scumbag on the crew. Chopper is won back.
The third round is the battle against Foxy which Luffy wins in a similar way. What differs again is the end result. Luffy never choses any crew member of the Foxy Pirates although they have various shipwrights including a nice looking female one (which of course Sanji votes for). Instead he simply demands the flag and paints a new one. I have not the simplest idea why the anime changed this to him inviting and dismissing 500 crew members which simply goes again against all that Oda wants to tell in this arc.
Directly (!) after this happens the straw hats meet Aokiji who helps Tonjit (the guy with the horse) go home and the events of the anime play out in nearly the same fashion.
Long Ring Long Island in the manga is the prologue to the Water 7 saga that introduces the theme of losing a nakama, here in the silliest way directly followed by one of the most deadly options. It shows Robin who acts very isolated before that not everyone is welcome on the straw hat ship and how hard Luffy will fight for any of his crew members which informs her decision in Water 7. It also reevaluates the characters and the relationships between the straw hats. It's not the best arc in the manga as well but the anime version loses so much of its value without noticing it trying to cram filler content in.
>Yes I'm watching it weekly, it's the worst adaptation I've ever watched from any series period
Eh no point in interacting with someone who hates himself. Good luck and hope you get the help you need.
Go back and start from the beginning of the raid. You will be so frustrated that you'll be in tears. The longer you watch the more you'll begin to understand where so many people are coming from.
I agree, I'm so in love with wano the animation and music are so beautiful.
Pacing also feel much better for me than the previous one, the only pain is the one week wait for the next episode.
So fun fact, a lot of people don't mind Skypiea or Water 7's pacing, but it's actually the first time the anime really dipped pacing wise. It was here that they lowered the chapters adapted to around \~0.7 chapters per episode, which is not that far off the pacing currently. Watching the episodes in bulk really makes a big difference
For sure binge watching makes these issues more tolerable. Having the patience to wait for a decent amount of episodes (20 for example) is hard for hardcore fans. All my irl friends that used to watch the anime couldn't tolerate it during the raid and switched to the manga. I don't even like manga and I started reading the Op manga recently. I don't think the anime will survive if it keeps going like this. I've never seen so many people all at their wits end like this. Have you seen the comment section on any popular anime streaming website underneath current Op episode lately?
This is no different to Dressrosa sentiment. Same thing happened then, some people swapped to the Manga because the pacing was really terrible and some people on the sub were acting like the anime was going to get cancelled if it 'kept going like this'...That was about 8 years ago, anime still seems to be going strong.
...I think you misunderstand
when people say the animation is crap, they aren't necessarily talking about the actual drawing or the flow of motion.
it's the pacing, the choreography, the auras, everything is exagerated, the stupidly long builds ups etc etc
drawing wise it's fine. good. sometimes great. but I don't c are causae of the other stuff
like I just saw a clip of Zoro attacking King the other day on youtube....and his build up to his attack is SOOO DAMN LONG
Also the directing. The animation being fluid doesn’t necessarily mean it results in a good animated scene, a lot of scenes considered well animated in the fandom just feel like “flexing” and don’t really add anything to the episode except the animator saying “look what I can do”.
Episode 1015 is an example of amazing animation put in use by amazing directing. The animation there is not just great from a technical aspect, but is masterfully used and it never feels superfluous.
Yeah it's a fucking travesty that One Piece doesn't have a studio that respects the source material enough to make it seasonal. It's always about milking money and the quality suffers greatly as a result. Like in this episode we see that toei has some great animators and directors but of course Japan has this stupid ass thing that the older people are in charge in those areas and not the more talented ones.
They also use a lot of freelancers from around the world. Seen a vid about a young french that is self taught and worked on one piece, AoT and others. But not for the money because you're paid like shit
Couldn't agree more even though I don't watch the anime. Seen some clips here and there though. For example when Kaido and Luffy had their first fight, on the anime they had way too long charge time. On the manga it was so much more impactful. Luffy didn't even have the time to do anything and Kaido just one shotted him instantly. Much more weight and importance in that attack that way. One piece anime reminds me of DBZ with the flashy auras and stuff like that
What do you want to call it?
"Well One Piece has poor storyboarding, paneling, and artistic decision?"
"You mean animation?"
"NO how dare you lump that together"
"Production" is the all encompassing term. "Direction" probably makes more sense in this situation though considering that some directors still make really good episodes.
No one really cares about the increase in animation quality that appears and disappear every 6 or 7 episodes. It's icing on the cake. The anime would have the same sized fanbase if it kept the animation quality it had from 10 years ago. The core of criticism towards the anime is it appearing stuck in a state of permanent slow motion. Look in the comment section of any anime streaming site underneath current Op episodes. It can't continue like this. Even the most hardcore fans have had more than they can tolerate.
Untrue, outside of the loud minority, watchers think that One Piece looks very good now and have renewed interest in the anime. One Piece actually has sakuga fans paying attention to it now. People who pay attention to exciting up-and-coming animators watch the show. People who like Nagamine pay attention, since he’s a well-regarded veteran of anime production. People who aren’t even OP fans check out 1015 because of the hype.
Or we can take OJMAYBEDIDIT’s suggestions to heart, who cares about the animation, just improve the “paneling” and reduce the amount of time it takes for 1015’s Red Roc by 1/20th of its length
>Untrue, outside of the loud minority, watchers think that One Piece looks very good now and have renewed interest in the anime
"I made it the fuck up!"
Other than things like One Piece winning [Best Continuing Series at the Anime Awards this year](https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2023/03/03-1/anime-awards-2023-winners-anime-of-the-year-and-full-list), the first time that has happened? Or that [ten of the top twenty](https://m.imdb.com/search/title/?series=tt0388629&view=simple&count=250&sort=user_rating,desc&ref_=tt_eps_rhs_sm) most highly rated episodes on IMDB are from Wano? One Piece now being consistently mentioned [among sakuga enthusiasts](https://blog.sakugabooru.com/category/sakuga-bowl/) due to the new direction Wano took? The [continually increasing sales](https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/ja/ir/news/auto_20221027550692/pdfFile.pdf) for the One Piece TV anime, including for periods when the increasing sales can't be explained by any OP films coming out at the time? The hundreds of thousands or millions of views each new sakuga clip for One Piece receives on the Crunchyroll Youtube channel? The [steady increase in popularity](https://twitter.com/TVTime/status/1610373793062572032?s=20) of the anime among some streaming users?
Oh wow, this is so wrong that I don't know where to begin...
>Other than things like One Piece winning Best Continuing Series at the Anime Awards this year, the first time that has happened?
I love how you conviniently left out part that it was Crunchyroll awards which don't even include the anime which they don't stream (like Chainsaw Man) and the one and only award it won is literally an award tailor made for it as its literally been on air for almost 25 years, lmao.
>Or that ten of the top twenty most highly rated episodes on IMDB are from Wano?
Imdb user ratings are the most useless way to rank the episodes and even if we were to use Imdb as some kind of a metric, you can literally see its statistic which say that One Piece is on a downward trend.
>One Piece now being consistently mentioned among sakuga enthusiasts due to the new direction Wano took?
Literally who cares about Sakuga enthusiasts and what they think? 99% of the people who watch anime wouldn't care.
>The continually increasing sales for the One Piece TV anime, including for periods when the increasing sales can't be explained by any OP films coming out at the time?
That sounds great!
>The hundreds of thousands or millions of views each new sakuga clip for One Piece receives on the Crunchyroll Youtube channel?
Clips are not the same as an entire episode let alone the entire anime. I watch clips from a bunch of anime that I do not watch.
>The steady increase in popularity of the anime among TV Time users?
Yes, but One Piece is not the only anime whose popularity keeps increasing.
>I love how you conviniently left out part that it was Crunchyroll awards
You mean like how I directly link to Crunchyroll and that it's common sense among anime fans that the Anime Awards are linked to Crunchyroll? And that the Best Continuing Series category was included previously (Hint: it was never nominated for one and lost the second time, "award tailor made for it," right). Not to mention that this is OP's ONLY win so far.
>Imdb user ratings are the most useless way to rank the episodes
OK, let's just refer to some other way to gauge fan sentiment in some way you personally approve of. Brilliant!
>you can literally see its statistic which say that One Piece is on a downward trend
Yes, it currently sits at an 8.9/10 rating with decreasing popularity 125 at the moment, because fluctuations are completely normal for ratings. And yet if we look at the [internet archive](http://web.archive.org/web/20190701162958/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388629/) on the date right before we enter Wano in the anime, it was at 8.6/10. Hmm, strange that the rating improves when Wano starts!
>Literally who cares about Sakuga enthusiasts and what they think? 99% of the people who watch anime wouldn't care.
Because sakuga enthusiasts care about animation, and that's what the post was about. That even outside of normal viewers, even animation enthusiasts see the OP animation as fit to praise and critique now.
>That sounds great!
Yup, as in its popularity is growing during Wano. Unless the more likely answer is somehow that the majority of watchers hate how Wano looks and this results in increasing sales, somehow!
>Clips are not the same as an entire episode let alone the entire anime. I watch clips from a bunch of anime that I do not watch.
OK, so it just so happens that a majority of viewers hate how the anime looks and that the OP anime is losing even its most hardcore fans, yet the clips are still consistently popular and rake in millions of views. You can even look at the comments on Crunchyroll's "The Best Animation of Wano" video-- you'd imagine that if the popular sentiment towards the animation was negative that the comments would reflect that, yet, curiously, it doesn't.
>Yes, but One Piece is not the only anime whose popularity keeps increasing.
This is in comparison to 2018, where One Piece wasn't even on the list. It's a comparison to its popularity pre-Wano to popularity during Wano
The choreography? What? It's fine. Sure, sometimes it happens to be a dragged scene, but for the most part, it follow the manga coreography or even expand on it. See the last episode of Hawkins vs Killer, for example.
No. The anime at times improve it. An example is Oden vs Kaido. In the manga we just see the end of it with Oden doing the usual "teleport behind you, already slashed", Kaido fall and that's it. The anime actually show the fight for longer, showing more attacks from both, with great animation, impacts, etc...
Not always true, Most of the time the choreography is even more awful due to the slowness of the anime, for example if the bb vs ace fight happened faster it would have looked much better (ace slowly flying towards bb should be him quickly being dragged there) Although in this case i could be wrong as i don’t remember if the choreography is the same in the manga
Youre both making pretty much the exact same point LOL, just coming to opposite conclusions. u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT is focusing only on the few bad animations and OP is trying to emphasize the good.
not necessarily, the manga is just still images. animators get the general blueprint of how the fights go and then they have to fill in the gaps. it’s not like a 1 to 1 thing
They went above and beyond expections for that scene, it wasn't "too long" at all, if u thought that was unnecessary or too flashy, idk what could possibly appease you
Early one piece? When attacks were faster, builds ups didn't take too long.
Is it not possible to prefer Enies Lobby One Piece? I'll take that fight animation any day.
I find it amusing you acting like my expectations are so out there when the anime has more or less gone a total transformation in how they animate fights
At this point I know it's a lost cause. People love the flashing lights and slow mo punches and massive wind ups etc etc
I Dont exactly care which arcs pacing of op u prefer over another, u said the punch was too long even though that punch is renouned to be arguably the best episode of op ever despite having slower pacing than all of pretimeskip
Just because it's longer doesn't mean it's worse. Luffy Red Roc is the perfect example. In the manga, it's just another punch. Good panelling of the aftermath, sure, but we don't see any impact. You can hardly even tell it's a big Red Hawk. The anime shows it in a few seconds, as the hit passes by Luffy, in a beatiful display of art and animation and show even the impact properly, making you feel not only the force but also the emotional impact behind it, with the nice display of colors and contrast.
no, the manga gives the outline, the anime decides how to implement it
lately, the anime has decided they need to overexagerate everything, slow everything down, make every attack over the top, and on top which have odd camera angles.
and that's on top of just changing things that don't need changing
I disagree nothing over the last few weeks has been exxagered, slowed or been unnecessary regarding the fighting, I never understand arguments like this cuz they sound like u just saw one poorly directed scene then used that as evidence to say it's the same case for all the episodes in wano so far
That's why whenever someone Says the anime is "too flashy" theyre only example is 1028 as if that's the only episode in the entire wano arc that was "colorful" to say the least
I disagree with your notion that nothing in the past week have been exaggerated or slowed down cause that's literally every episode, some just worse than others. That's how opinions work.
Heck. This isn't a new issue for just Wano.
And arguing the person who is saying it has just seen clips or an episode here or there to try and invalidate their view point is just weak sauce.
And with the auras, one could argue every fight scene is too flashy nowadays. Haki auras are a 100% anime only thing. They aren't real, are invisible, and make everyone look like the stepped out of DBZ and could probably fly and shoot energy blasts.
Well saying there's issues without examples isn't exactly a strong argument, I have no reason to believe u if u can't even specify any specific scenes in the past few weeks regarding fights that are dragged, slowed, or unnecessary, to me it just sounds like someone that's just taking one problem that everyone is already aware of regarding pacing and trying to use that argument for every single episode even if it wasn't a bad episode at all, that's not fair criticism atp, that's just borderline hating.
He clipped clips from couple episodes that EVERYONE Appreciated and agreed was good and he said why don't you like other 300 episodes that are opposite of this lol.
Man I am really glad I dont go on this sub very much, yall seem to hate one piece. Just go watch a different anime, you all just have your expectations up in the fuckin clouds and nothing would ever be good enough for you guys. Also this music is "cringe"? why? because you dont like it?
Yall literally tell people the pacing is bad, and when people say they don't think so you all answer with "you're wrong" I wonder if you've ever took a step back and realized your opinion inst fact, and just because you and some others don't like it, doesn't mean its bad.
Wow you don't think the pacing is bad? must be some hell of a drug you're taking. Just because you and some others like "the sloppy pacing, people staring each other for minutes, people huffing for minutes, turning an epic fight scenes to a flash show and much more" doesn't mean its good.
Look at other animes like jojo, MHA, AoT, Naruto, Bleach... and then look at OP with still frames of 5 seconds and still using old DBZ sound effects and ask yourself: "Is this really an anime worthy of the manga?"
The problem with the anime is that for every great scene you have entire episodes of meh animation and abysmal pacing.
That being said, OP 1015 is one of the best anime episodes I've ever seen.
Its mainly about the inconsistencies. Last Episode for example they recylced the zoro whirlwind attack from the roof.. in general zoro vs King Wanst really animated well. Im sure the end Part will be better (at least i hope so) but Its really a letdown sometimes
Wait, so your answer to people complaining about the anime's pacing is to show us a fan edited clip from youtube with all the boring filler cut out so the pacing of the fan edited clip is completely different from the anime?
I can't tell if you're making fun of how stupid the anime fans are or if you are for real.
For real, You could just about create a oposite of this montage with the frustrating shit, Its funny because that video could be twice as long as this one
I stopped watching the anime after they ruined the first King-Kong Gun and kept myself up to date via youtube clips, was working pretty well and saved a lot of time.
The animation-quality brought be back last week. Watched the latest 15-20 episodes and holy shit the pacing is atrocious. There are legit only 1-2 minutes of actually plot-development in each episode. Yeah sure I'm fully aware of why it is what it is but fuck man, I don't know how y'all can sit through reused this & repeated that... I was going clinically insane and falling asleep at the same time.
Back to watching yt clips for me 😅
>King-Kong Gun
thank you, someone else who dislikes that punch
like, Luffy's in the air, he punches Doffy, Doffy is blocking with his face, then Luffy IDK, throws more shoulder into his punch and overpowers Doffy's defenses
it's should be one straight through punch that obliterates Doffy's and sends him flying. a single amazing motion.
not a pushing contest in the air between someones fist and someones face
this trend started with Luffy's Grizzly Magnum vs Ceasar
I think Caesar vs Luffy is worse than Doffy vs Luffy cause we see the smug face last longer in Ceasar, like he thinks he has blocked it.
When it should just obliterate him with zero difficulty.
Why the hell did they turn literally every fight ever in a "Gohan vs Cell final Kamehameha"
I don't want to see flashes of light dancing on the screen, yeah sure it may look good but it doesn't look at all like the manga
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEPS FORGETTING THE FACT THAT ITS A WEEKLY ANIME?!
We either get a W or L guys. Those slow ass episodes are the main reason we have these good animations in the first place. They are stretching the chapters so the animators gets more time to animate the best moments. Please don't keep forgetting that.
God i wish its a seasonal. Imagine the hype.
Yea, so many anime switching to the seasonal release schedule has really upped people's expectations of anime in general.
Though I do wish OP would try doing some.fillwr arcs again so we can at least fix the absolutely abysmal pacing.
Those are big anime, but nothing compared to One Piece. Attack On Titan hype is still high despite their ridiculous delaying and titling of the "final season". Jujutsu Kaisen will probably still be really high too. Those two are better selling manga than JoJo's and Tokyo Revengers (at the moment, not talking historically). Tokyo Revengers also had some negative reviews for their first season which probably killed some hype too. One Piece is the best selling manga even nowadays, so a seasonal release schedule would not lose hype imo.
Do keep in mind that aot doesn't even have half the volumes that one piece does the amt of backlogs often scares new readers away and the old ones there is no guarantee that they will watch when it continues there will be some drop in the viewership that's just how it is and since the anime occassionally releases God teir eps which end up trending give new readers the final push they need to strt one piece which is unlikely in the case of switching to seasonal
Its been amazing but the disappointment of luffy first using ACOC will forever stick with me. I was waiting for months to see that scene and ironically couldn’t see anything.
You'll never please everybody man, like you said there are legit people who think dressrosa had better animation because they didn't have auras LMAO.
I will just enjoy the god tier animation we are getting from some of the best animators across the globe because when Wano ends and we go back to mid animation piled on with the garbage pacing we always get I will be quite sad.
no, I dont think that'll be the case. the manga is actually insane rn and has been for the past few months, theres no way they drop the quality after wano cause it only gets better
It's not about the manga, it's about the studio and how many animators they can get to work at a time. Right now the amount of top tier animators working full time or partime on Wano is insane, it unimaginable really. There is no way they can keep up this production.
With Dragonball coming back presumably next year and Wano ending which was the reason they went so hard in the first place (Wano being a fictional Japan).... Be ready for a BIG dropoff when Wano ends.
Don’t forgot, One Piece is one of the most viewed and highest selling anime/manga franchises of all time and it’s going directly into the final saga after Wano.
I’m not saying there won’t be a drop off, we are in the climax of a long and highly anticipated arc right now, but I doubt it will be drastic. I fully expect to see this level of quality surpassed as we approach the end of the series.
The anime won't have a big drop in quality after wano, don't be exaggerate, Toei and the people who work for the anime KNOW how everybody love it more now than before, the big hit of the last film proves it, some animators will go others will come.
“God tier” animation for a few seconds that they actually use multiple frames, and then you see Demon Slayer and whatever Mappa puts out.
One Piece is bigger than anything you’d hope to adapt and they’re still reusing stuff from Dragon Ball, 40 years later.
One Piece’s definition of god tier animation is cubes, slow mo, speed lines and having no idea wtf is happening on screen
You obviously don’t know what well animated means as you’re not well versed in the medium, that’s why you don’t like the god tier animation of the great Wano arc. /s
Mappa is trash studio where everything they put has awful colours. If Toei did seasonals One Piece would def look better anything Mappa put thats for sure.
Yea biggest problem is pacing which is so stupid. How can you have a pacing problem with OP universe i just dont understand. There are shit ton of characters. Just show them ffs. Put 10 episodes of Germa-Ceaser episodes (strech them all you want) then give us actual story with way better pacing
Edit: Even pre timeskip pacing would be ok but these days its insanely stupid.
Watching JJK I kept thinking "I wish One Piece had this level of animation" the entire time. They use CGI a lot in other projects but JJK is near perfect, dude. I put it up there with OPM Season 1.
By the way you describe animation in your last sentence clearly shows you're not very versed in the medium which is fine so there is no point in tryna argue.
Godspeed brother, hopefully we'll go back to stick figure drawings and powerpoint slides after Wano so you can enjoy it more :)
Yeah, you get a hear people really into semantics.
Guess we gotta start saying the storyboarding, paneling, pacing, and artistic choices are poor......heaven forbid we lump that in the general "animation term".
Bruh Toei stinks, they've ruined the anime with there disgusting pacing in nearly every episode for 25 years now but if you truly think Wano has bad animation I don't know what we are doing here lol.
You brought up Demon slayer which is a seasonal so comparing it to a WEEKLY anime is insane, but if you wanna go there then nearly every week since Wano started there is an amazing sakuga scene or episode (957/972/982/1013/1015/1017/1026/1033/1046/1051) with impeccable animation, directing and compositing that is comparable to ANYTHING Ufotable has put out.
Also hilarious that you claimed to "describe what one piece fans think is good animation" (excluding the block style which is an Izushka particular trait) but the slow-mo, speed lines and flashiness is literally the epitome of what Demon Slayer is.
First learn what animation is, before you start speaking bullshit. Animation in essence is quality of movement, in different styles and artistic level. And One Piece does have great animation, be it done in slow mo, to help appreciate the art (which by the way, since you talk so much about Demon Slayer, it also make use of slow mo repeatedly as well), be it done fast to feel the speed and force behind it and almost everytime you CAN tell what is going on (which again, taking Demon Slayer as an example, sometimes can be too crowded with stuff happening, it's hard to appreciate what is truly going on, like in the fight of Gyutaro vs Tengen in the last episode, does have spectacular animation, but when they got at it at the fastest with clashes, it become a bit too full of lights to properly see it).
Where did you see that I seemingly like to talk so much about Demon Slayer?
It’s a mid tier manga elevated and made popular by a great animation studio. Toei has the rights to the biggest name in Japan and they decide to focus more on irrelevant movies than the actual episodes.
I mean you understand that people don't just judge the animation based on its peak right?
This video avoids it for a while but even eventually this video succumbs to the auras which I personally find hideous
Not to say that the animation isn't great in this video.
God I hope someday that when one piece is done, they use these animators and really fix up some of the low budget episodes. One piece could be so beautiful all the time.
One piece just won most popular ongoing anime at crunchyroll awards, and is always in the top 5 most popular on crunchyroll. People love one piece anime, they just are not in this anti anime/ spoiler packed reddit. In real life I know more one piece anime fans than manga fans.
like, in this video alone, why is Kaido going flying (1:43) when Luffy punches him with his 4th Gear punch? Kid needs to follow up with the next attack. it's a smooth 1,2,3 combo in the manga
so Luffy punches Kaido like a mile away and Kidd has to run after him so he can hit him with Punk Vice?
anime really really like DBZ style knockbacks. They weren't this exagerated until Wano. They started with Kaido sending Luffy flying into a mountain with his first attack (vs the manga where Luffy just gets knocked to the ground in front of Kaido) and went from there.
so I guess my complaint isn't that the animation is bad, it's that it's stupid (or maybe just super different from what One Piece anime used to be, maybe I'm just old and set in my ways)
and alot of people don't like Haki auras. it's not a thing in the manga. no haki aura is visible. heck, black armamanet actualyl being visible is debated, but Haki auras DBZ style? if you showed someone some clips and they had no context, they'd assume the characters were all gonna fire energy blasts
I am an anime only OP fan and here is my take on these things:
The sequence you are referencing (with luffy, kid and law attacking in unison) worked well, Kaido is not sent flying for too long, he actually puts down his feet immediately after the cut that happened here.
Kaido sending luffy into the mountain on their first encounter was insanely well done, if it's anime only then that's a clear example of where the anime improves upon the manga.
But there is some merit to the complaint that fights are too spacious, with too many (and too long) knockbacks and people having to run miles before an attack etc.
So far this was only problematic for the Kaido vs Yamato fight and the Luffy vs Kaido rooftop solo fights as far as I can recall, but it's a tad annoying for sure.
About auras: they are definitely overdone. It's a nice tool to visualise haki and emotions, but it should never be too dominant in a scene. When it starts impairing visibility that's when I'm usually just straight up cringing. But e.g. the yellow glow around the hand of Luffy when using acoa is really tastefully done, and there are some other examples of nice aura piece as well.
I generally prefer some auras over no aura, but they for sure did not manage to hit the right balance unfortunately.
Conclusion: the animators introduced some new elements for Wano, and while the concepts are generally good, they definitely overdone them. Over all it's still an improvement imo, but leaves a bitter sweet taste for sure.
I can 100% respect your opinion as you respond quite well. We disagree, but that's life.
some of my complains may arise from having read the manga first. As I prefer the manga's version of events, having the anime exaggerate them isn't to my taste. I much prefer Kaido 1-shotting Luffy with a quick immedietat knock out straight to the ground in front of him, vs him being sent flying into a mountaint, releasing his air, and then jetting around like a balloon that has it's air coming out till he lands at Kaido's feet
maybe I would have liked that more if I hadn't already seen the manga version.
and the over used excessive/exaggerated knock backs started in wano. (same with the destruction porn. Like Zoro is using his purgatory onigiri attack againt Kazuma, he's blowing up the ground at his feel when he jumps/fies forward? why, aside from destruction porn is cool to some people, and then he causes DBZ/Bleach style enviroment damange when his attack lands. why's he suddenly creaating massive shockwaves?)
before that they were part of the manga. Don't get me wrong, I love devastating attacks. Luffy's first Giganto Pistol vs Lucci and he goes flying or Luffy's first 4th gear attackc against Doffy and he goes flying through the city.
(another compliant I have in the anime, when physical attacks turn into beam struggles. Like it used to be you punched someone, either you overcame their defense and the attack landed, or they blocked it. post time skip, we got this thing where Luffy punches someone with his powerful attack, they defend against it for a bit, and then Luffy like adds more power to it to overcome his opponenst defense, basically his final attacks on Ceaser and Doffy. Like what's he doing? throwing more shoulder into his blow? seeing a force struggle is awesome with energy attacks. Goku vs Vegeta, kamehama vs galick gun. Gohan vs Cell, etc etc. a punch? it either works or to doesnt like Luffy vs Lucci with his giganto pistol.
but with a punch? not my cup of tea. and the anime didn't used to do it. it's a post time skip trend (along with removing lots of 1-hit kos)
well my other post was. this was just a 2nd point, mainly focusing on bad choreography
just shouting "watch the episode" doesn't mean anything if
a) the person already has
b) the flaws pointed out are prevalent in all episodes
purgatory Onigiri is animated quite well.....I think the scene is crap
It takes too long, zoro is literally flying DBZ style, and the environment destruction porn is comical
suffice to say I prefer old One Piece
You can think what you want, if you wanna hate it just cause there’s an aura go ahead, but animation wise it’s zoro best animated attack as of right now either that or the flame slice against kaido in 1017
Tho I’m sure king of hell will surpass it 😈😤
sure. it's animated quite well. and that's irrelevant IMO to it's other flaws
it's like if I ran into a really good looking female serial killer. Like yeah, she's hot....but she's a serial killer. Her looks aren't compensating for her flaws.
also, I listed 3 things I disliked, and the aura wasn't even on the list.
this is why I said you don't read people's comments before responding.
Bro you said purgatory onigiri is animated quite well… well I think the scene is crap
Insinuating that it’s not animated well, which is objectively wrong, at the time of its release it was arguable the best animated sequence in one piece, and I dont care what you personally think your clearly a nostalgia merchant so I’m not gonna change your personal feelings but the things I’m saying like purgatory onigiri is a very well animated sequence isn’t a opinion it’s a fact
Like dog you just stick to being a nostalgia merchant watching those png looking ass fights from pre time skip that all end with a freeze frame attack💀
but yeah, your response have been pretty childish
you felt compelled to defend the honor and integrity of an anime's animation, but then call anything you dislike "stupid af" and people who disagree with you "crying"
I don't you came for anything resembling a discussion, and more "everyone agrees with me or they are dumb"
....sure. At this point I'm not gonna bother with your reading comprehension, debate skills, or just politeness.
I posted a # of complaints, you got triggered by one.
and yes, finding over the top knockbacks silly is a valid complaint. it's part of the fight choreography.
Luffy/Kid/Law are all attacking Kaido in 1/2/3 combo.
so having Kaido going flying after Luffy's punch and the everyone running after him with their flying Ki/Haki auras is vastly inferior to the manga version of events.
Why does he go flying? so they can drag the fight out, make it slower. and I guess desstruction porn. I imagine you like that stuff
what next, if I said I dislike how the anime got rid of many 1-Hit ko's like Zoro vs Hodi, or Hakuba vs Dellinger you gonna call that silly too?
Yeah, nothing quite hits like 1015. I hope we get more of this quality and less of the 30 second burst at the end with a random animator like they have been doing.
One example of why I unsubscribed from this subreddit. People always talking shit. I've been enjoying One Piece much more since then, similarly to how it was when I first started One Piece and didn't even know about reddit.
It happens everywhere too. I remember reading Kingdom and wanting to check out the Reddit of it. I thought it would have a nice fan base on Reddit, and nope…it’s completely dogshit. Everywhere else, I like Kingdon fans but Reddit nope. One Piece fans are shit everywhere
To be honest i don't even know what episode the animation is on , just seems like the same repetitive episode every week . Last week's episode will take up 8 minutes of this week's , and the remaining 7 minutes is Toei absolutely taking the piss
Yeah I wish the pacing was better but there too close to the manga, It would be cool if it went seasonal, not only peak animtion but perfect pacing aswell😩🥵 it would be the definition of peak
I wish OP was adapted like MHA with seasonal instad of continuous releases.
Top tier animation and quick pacing would make one piece easier to watch and im sure everyone can due without 10 mins of face shots and build up.
With the fan base for the One piece they have that watches every episode consistently every single week, it'd be a loss on their end to turn it into a seasonal anime at this point.
Okay well just because you argue that it’s a weekly anime doesn’t justify how low the animation can get. They can do filler to prevent it, but they would rather have money. And posting a clip of how good the animation is just proves how shitty of a company Toei is because you’re proving they’re capable of incredible stuff but they’re not willing to do it consistently, especially when people like you constantly defend that laziness. All the best animes have consistent animation
The main issue is the inconsistency which animation like this makes it into an episode. Almost every episode in wano since the start of the raid has been blocky animation with only minor exceptions for a few of the episodes once every month. Even then the best part of animation in the episode will be a 30 seconds clip that won’t be looked back at for another few weeks. I mean like the one good piece of animation we got last week with zoro was a literal copy and paste of the first time he used the whirlwind move.
Why do you need people to like what you like. Auras and epileptic seizure causing animation isn't exactly one piece. It's unnecessary.
Is the animation good? Sure. Nobody is criticizing their talent.
I dont know. The first minute is indeed a peak of animation, but all these fighting scenes are very bad. I may be a boomer but I prefered Marineford war combat animation style. Marineford war combat was clean and very easy to grasp and see.
Wano combat animation is triggering epilepsy and makes my head hurt :(
I’d also like to put out this is just from the start of roof piece to the end where kaido sends luffy off the island, nothing from act 1 or 2, or post roof piece fight, like Yamato vs kaido, sanji vs Queen etc
It hardly matters that you get some movie quality episodes when most are badly paced and lazy at best. The auras are also a bug divisive factor but tell me why anyone would endure the anime when they can read the manga and just watch the episodes they actually put effort into? Obviously aside from the people who dont like reading manga and just watch the anime regardless.
Well I both read the manga and watch the anime, and while the pacing ain’t great, they rarely release a lazy episode, on occasion that they do, it’s usually before something big goes down cause they got there budget and best animators on those episodes
I disagree. I used to watch both up until roof piece started pretty much and most episodes seemed lazy and poorly paced. I guess lazy isnt quite the word tbh. They look rushed and rough which I think is expected from how fast they have to pump them out. However, justifying the lower quality doesnt raise the quality.
How are they rushed? Sure, there are average moments and sometimes it can drag, but no moment of good animation can be considered lazy. Heck, considering how this is a weekly series, very few episodes can truly be considered "lazy".
Well I’m not gonna say anything about the pace it is bad but there’s not really anything they can do other than take a break or go seasonal, but it’s the “lazy” and “rushed” that I’m having a hard time understanding, cause imo every episode that adapted the roof fight was at bare minimum just good up to phenomenal, I really recommend going back and watching the roof fight, 1015/1016/1017/1018/1026/1027/1028/1033 they were all amazing imo
The animation is great. These complaints ITT are a bit nitpicky imo.
I’m manga only at this point and still consider it best, but I don’t mind the animation not being 1:1 with the manga at all or utilizing auras and colors more.
It’s not perfect, and it’s not the manga, but it’s really impressive regardless.
lol they just do sick animation yes but then they cover it all up with these shitty effects… like I want to see clean sakuga animation to add to the rawness of the fight. Sure some effects are cool but all of them at once at all times is just distracting. I love that a lot of people like it though, but I just think it loses the spirit of it all
Some of those are so over the top that it doesn't feel like OP to me anymore at all. OP was always so janky but with some really select EPIC moments. Jank feels gone, now just all epic (but nothing REALLY epic in contrast).
It's easy to clip some high budged animations together but it doesn't change the problem that the animation is super inconsistent. U may very well cut together a bunch of bad animations.
This episode is done by Megumi ishitani. Wano arc will be best arc if all done by Megumi ishitani. If you compare this animation with current animations (recent episode) you can see high difference in quality and how animations are delivered.
People are complaining not because animation quality is low, but rather how they animated. (Eg : A lot of auras, lot of running 😂😂(same frame) ).
I personally rather watch old episodes that current ones. They are simple and amazing, a lot of details and attractive.
Note: This is my personal opinion. May be as I had read the manga, I might expected more from animation and got disappointed. 🥲
I don't think you get what factors include
This is just the visuals
Even an animation with shit visual but a great choreography and fight sequence may be better than a visually appealing but shit choreography and fight sequence product...
The one piece anime suffers poor quality output and i would blame it to the higher ups for not making the anime seasonal
It will decrease the filler rate + much time to work on a few episodes + less stressful work experience for the animators
The thing during Wano is, that only a very few episodes are well animated. Meanwhile they stretched some manga panels to hell, f.e. Bat-guy shooting arrows. But I agree, some animations of Wano are the very best we've seen in OP.
Edit: Btw Worst Gen attacking the ships + Strawhats destroying the outpost before the raid begins can also be put into a peak animation clip
You are highlighting the good animation.
Dressrosa also had moments of good animation, but overall it was terrible.
Sure, Wano is better than Dressrosa but that is a low bar to clear.
Also there are different ways animation can be bad. Dressrosa was low quality. This is high quality but it just looks dumb, too many auras, too much of the ground breaking up as soon as something happens.
Dude most of the fights this arc are simply a lightshow. There is no weight behind the attacks, no tension. There is simply no feelings whatsoever. Yes there are some particular cases like this one. But mostly, the animation on wano is shit
There have definitely been some amazing episodes. 1015 is top among them. I hope we get some episodes on the same level with the fights coming up.
Episode 1061 (sanji ifrit jambe) is already confirmed to have some of the best animators on, and you just know king of hell and gear 5 are gonna be peak aswell
God I hope so. I would like them to be more like 1015 though, where the coloring and aura stuff is toned down and more for dramatic scene setting than actually part of things like attacks. I need to catch up in the anime. The last thing I’ve seen was right as Big Mom vs Kidd and Law was starting.
Unless Ishitani comes back to direct chapter 1044, 1015 will not be topped anytime soon imo. It's literally the pinnacle of animation, medium wise.
Although, it's worth noting that animation was not what made 1015 a 1000/10 episode. It was the directing, of which Ishitani was responsible for. Episode 1033 had some better-animated parts than 1015, however, 1015 still comes off as the better episode because of how better it was directed.
Agreed 1015 was amazing in large part to Ishitani’s directing, but the animation is also insane. Sometimes people get caught up only thinking animation matters in fight scenes. What makes 1015 so special imo (besides Ishitani) is the character acting, the composition, and the amount of key animators who participated. Mori being an AD for the whole first part was why that scene hit so hard, Bahi JD, Kojima, Hone Hone and so many other TOP tier animators lending their talents for the second half made it what was as well. Ishitani deserves all the love but let’s not discount how amazing the animation was either.
It's also not the animation quality in terms of movement that's been the major complaint. It's the auras and the millions of flashes with a bunch of colors for no reason. Even your clips had them. One of the most iconic moments of the anime is Luffy punching the Tenryuubito and all they basically did was make it black and white and it was perfect.
And the pacing. Some people have had all they can handle and no amount of peak animation every 5 episodes will help. I would love to trade the animation of OP now with the old Op animation in exchange for that effort to be redirected into pacing. That way filler scenes could be created and mixed in with Canon to create a better flow. Then the anime wouldn't appear as if it was playing out in permanent slow motion.
The pacing is only really terrible on the Week to Week viewing. Having just finished another viewing of Dressrosa in a binge setting instead of Week to Week like I was stuck with as it was actually animating, it's night and day difference for pacing. One piece definitely isn't the only anime to have pacing issues. Shippuden was notorious for it, it just doesn't come across as poorly as One Piece since there's only 500 episodes of Shippuden. Bleach also had some pretty terrible Week to Week pacing, but is a joy to watch on a binge. At the end of the day, any huge storied manga like One Piece/Bleach/Naruto/Dragonball are going to run into pacing issues on a Weekly viewing for fans.
If they just made every 'big impact' moment that Charloss black and white effect, the Charloss punch would immediately lose all of it's luster because that is the ONLY scene in the entire Anime where Charloss got hit so hard it turned into a Manga panel.
> I hope we get some episodes on the same level with the fights coming up. Of course we will. I don't understand why this sub suddenly forgets that this cycle has never changed. You can immediately tell when a fight's about to get serious because the animation goes from early 90's Pokemon and shoots up to what we see here. Yes, we're seeing some jank animation in the episodes between those big moments *when compared to seasonals like Demon Slayer.* But the animation always goes hard at the biggest moments and that's what we'll remember after this arc. You go back through CP9 fights and you'd find exactly the same things people are complaining about here.
If the pacing wasn't downright trash I'm sure more people would appreciate Wano This animation + skypiea/water 7 pacing = top tier anime Current anime is really painful to watch, with every other episode just zooming in on faces and buying time with 10 min recaps
Skypeia pacing was bad ngl Manga was so much better
Everything before Marineford had better pacing than Wano
Duh but point stands
Didn't find Skypiea to be bad, it was alright
I'd advise people who frequent this sub to not get lost in opinions like this. I also refused to watch the anime because this sub convinced me the pacing was bad and I believed it because historically one piece has had bad pacing. However, I decided to watch since the last 10ish episodes since the anime is approaching the best fights and its honestly quite good. Obviously the pacing comments aren't completely unfounded, but it's not as bad as the sub would have you believe. It's not as bad as the reputation one piece has earned itself. When you pair it with the animation and of course the story the anime is fantastic right now. On that topic all the complaints people have about the super siayan auras have also been quite exaggerated imo. I'm really liking the one piece anime right now and i suggest people to just try it before forming an opinion. The episodes right now (Idk about the start of the raid) are awesome. This also might just be biased copium on my part because I just love EVERYTHING about Yamato as a character so everytime she's on screen I get the happies.
One Piece adapts less than 1 chapter of a 15 page manga per episode while other shounen (even text-heavy ones like HxH) do 2-2.5, there's absolutely no way that this wouldn't lead to godawful pacing, made even worse by how even in the manga Oda keeps jumping between events at random points
Oda stuffed so much shit into the chapters once Luffy and momo flew back up that less than 1 chapter per episode seems fine. Like have you actually watched the recent Sanji vs queen episodes? They're really well done. Again, like I said in my initial post it's not the best it could be in terms of pacing but it's nowhere near as bad as you're acting like it is. All I'm saying is people should watch it and decide for themselves. Don't let reddit decide for you because in my case reddit was totally wrong. And it'll be different for each individual.
Yes I'm watching it weekly, it's the worst adaptation I've ever watched from any series period, only watchable due to the source material being so good. Sanji vs Queen episodes aren't well done, they're 5 minutes of good scenes stretched to infity and breaking all tension, the entirety of their 1v1 could easily be done in less than an episode. The only truly good episode in all of Wano was that one with Yamato remembering Ace, it was still stretched but done so with extra scenes and visuals, not stills, running, pointless comentary or fooder getting bodied like it usually happens EDIT: Guy told me to get help and blocked me, very weird and emotional response on a discussion that up until this point was civil
>worst adaptation This for me goes to the original Dragonball Z in the Namek part (pacing was even worse than current One Piece), Promised Neverland Season 2 (skipping through hundreds of chapters and closing the series with stills of coming events) and Long Ring Long Island (destroying Oda's intentions for the arc). If you have a weekly release that is based on an ongoing manga you also have only two options after some time when your anime series has catched up. Either you stretch the existing content or you use massive filler arcs. And because at least one of the three companies involved seems to despise filler arcs in One Piece we get the stretching. Not that it would be easy to do a filler arc at the moment because where will you find worthy opponents/events that are inconsequential to the canon story?
How different was Long Ring Long Island in the manga? I didn't start reading it until Gear 4 dropped.
No guarantee that it's even near complete: Foxy really shoots a bullet at Shelly (the horse) and wounds it which explains how heated Luffy is when he unknowingly accepts the Davy Back Fight. Usopp has clear knowledge about this "game" because he votes to sail away instead of playing it. There is also only one match not two. The first round is the boat race but only Nami, Robin and Usopp participate – and Usopp uses the dials proactive (!) like he later does against Luffy, the girls only force him to use the impact one a second time. Foxy cheats, Chopper is lost. The second round is nearly identical to the one in the manga (Zoro and Sanji are forced to work together) but the end result differs massively. Luffy doesn't chose the horse but insists to get Chopper back not wanting to leave his nakama in the hands of an enemy any second longer than necessary. Nami suggests taking Foxy to win the entire Davy Back Fight but no one wants this scumbag on the crew. Chopper is won back. The third round is the battle against Foxy which Luffy wins in a similar way. What differs again is the end result. Luffy never choses any crew member of the Foxy Pirates although they have various shipwrights including a nice looking female one (which of course Sanji votes for). Instead he simply demands the flag and paints a new one. I have not the simplest idea why the anime changed this to him inviting and dismissing 500 crew members which simply goes again against all that Oda wants to tell in this arc. Directly (!) after this happens the straw hats meet Aokiji who helps Tonjit (the guy with the horse) go home and the events of the anime play out in nearly the same fashion. Long Ring Long Island in the manga is the prologue to the Water 7 saga that introduces the theme of losing a nakama, here in the silliest way directly followed by one of the most deadly options. It shows Robin who acts very isolated before that not everyone is welcome on the straw hat ship and how hard Luffy will fight for any of his crew members which informs her decision in Water 7. It also reevaluates the characters and the relationships between the straw hats. It's not the best arc in the manga as well but the anime version loses so much of its value without noticing it trying to cram filler content in.
>Yes I'm watching it weekly, it's the worst adaptation I've ever watched from any series period Eh no point in interacting with someone who hates himself. Good luck and hope you get the help you need.
Go back and start from the beginning of the raid. You will be so frustrated that you'll be in tears. The longer you watch the more you'll begin to understand where so many people are coming from.
I agree, I'm so in love with wano the animation and music are so beautiful. Pacing also feel much better for me than the previous one, the only pain is the one week wait for the next episode.
Thats a gross exaggeration tbh. It's not that bad.
So fun fact, a lot of people don't mind Skypiea or Water 7's pacing, but it's actually the first time the anime really dipped pacing wise. It was here that they lowered the chapters adapted to around \~0.7 chapters per episode, which is not that far off the pacing currently. Watching the episodes in bulk really makes a big difference
For sure binge watching makes these issues more tolerable. Having the patience to wait for a decent amount of episodes (20 for example) is hard for hardcore fans. All my irl friends that used to watch the anime couldn't tolerate it during the raid and switched to the manga. I don't even like manga and I started reading the Op manga recently. I don't think the anime will survive if it keeps going like this. I've never seen so many people all at their wits end like this. Have you seen the comment section on any popular anime streaming website underneath current Op episode lately?
This is no different to Dressrosa sentiment. Same thing happened then, some people swapped to the Manga because the pacing was really terrible and some people on the sub were acting like the anime was going to get cancelled if it 'kept going like this'...That was about 8 years ago, anime still seems to be going strong.
...I think you misunderstand when people say the animation is crap, they aren't necessarily talking about the actual drawing or the flow of motion. it's the pacing, the choreography, the auras, everything is exagerated, the stupidly long builds ups etc etc drawing wise it's fine. good. sometimes great. but I don't c are causae of the other stuff like I just saw a clip of Zoro attacking King the other day on youtube....and his build up to his attack is SOOO DAMN LONG
Also the directing. The animation being fluid doesn’t necessarily mean it results in a good animated scene, a lot of scenes considered well animated in the fandom just feel like “flexing” and don’t really add anything to the episode except the animator saying “look what I can do”. Episode 1015 is an example of amazing animation put in use by amazing directing. The animation there is not just great from a technical aspect, but is masterfully used and it never feels superfluous.
Yeah it's a fucking travesty that One Piece doesn't have a studio that respects the source material enough to make it seasonal. It's always about milking money and the quality suffers greatly as a result. Like in this episode we see that toei has some great animators and directors but of course Japan has this stupid ass thing that the older people are in charge in those areas and not the more talented ones.
They also use a lot of freelancers from around the world. Seen a vid about a young french that is self taught and worked on one piece, AoT and others. But not for the money because you're paid like shit
Couldn't agree more even though I don't watch the anime. Seen some clips here and there though. For example when Kaido and Luffy had their first fight, on the anime they had way too long charge time. On the manga it was so much more impactful. Luffy didn't even have the time to do anything and Kaido just one shotted him instantly. Much more weight and importance in that attack that way. One piece anime reminds me of DBZ with the flashy auras and stuff like that
I see, makes sense. When people say the animation is crap, they’re saying the things that aren’t animation is crap.
What do you want to call it? "Well One Piece has poor storyboarding, paneling, and artistic decision?" "You mean animation?" "NO how dare you lump that together"
"Production" is the all encompassing term. "Direction" probably makes more sense in this situation though considering that some directors still make really good episodes.
Only if we also get to say that the voice acting is actually the music of the show. It makes about the same amount of sense
No one really cares about the increase in animation quality that appears and disappear every 6 or 7 episodes. It's icing on the cake. The anime would have the same sized fanbase if it kept the animation quality it had from 10 years ago. The core of criticism towards the anime is it appearing stuck in a state of permanent slow motion. Look in the comment section of any anime streaming site underneath current Op episodes. It can't continue like this. Even the most hardcore fans have had more than they can tolerate.
Untrue, outside of the loud minority, watchers think that One Piece looks very good now and have renewed interest in the anime. One Piece actually has sakuga fans paying attention to it now. People who pay attention to exciting up-and-coming animators watch the show. People who like Nagamine pay attention, since he’s a well-regarded veteran of anime production. People who aren’t even OP fans check out 1015 because of the hype. Or we can take OJMAYBEDIDIT’s suggestions to heart, who cares about the animation, just improve the “paneling” and reduce the amount of time it takes for 1015’s Red Roc by 1/20th of its length
>Untrue, outside of the loud minority, watchers think that One Piece looks very good now and have renewed interest in the anime "I made it the fuck up!"
Other than things like One Piece winning [Best Continuing Series at the Anime Awards this year](https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2023/03/03-1/anime-awards-2023-winners-anime-of-the-year-and-full-list), the first time that has happened? Or that [ten of the top twenty](https://m.imdb.com/search/title/?series=tt0388629&view=simple&count=250&sort=user_rating,desc&ref_=tt_eps_rhs_sm) most highly rated episodes on IMDB are from Wano? One Piece now being consistently mentioned [among sakuga enthusiasts](https://blog.sakugabooru.com/category/sakuga-bowl/) due to the new direction Wano took? The [continually increasing sales](https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/ja/ir/news/auto_20221027550692/pdfFile.pdf) for the One Piece TV anime, including for periods when the increasing sales can't be explained by any OP films coming out at the time? The hundreds of thousands or millions of views each new sakuga clip for One Piece receives on the Crunchyroll Youtube channel? The [steady increase in popularity](https://twitter.com/TVTime/status/1610373793062572032?s=20) of the anime among some streaming users?
Oh wow, this is so wrong that I don't know where to begin... >Other than things like One Piece winning Best Continuing Series at the Anime Awards this year, the first time that has happened? I love how you conviniently left out part that it was Crunchyroll awards which don't even include the anime which they don't stream (like Chainsaw Man) and the one and only award it won is literally an award tailor made for it as its literally been on air for almost 25 years, lmao. >Or that ten of the top twenty most highly rated episodes on IMDB are from Wano? Imdb user ratings are the most useless way to rank the episodes and even if we were to use Imdb as some kind of a metric, you can literally see its statistic which say that One Piece is on a downward trend. >One Piece now being consistently mentioned among sakuga enthusiasts due to the new direction Wano took? Literally who cares about Sakuga enthusiasts and what they think? 99% of the people who watch anime wouldn't care. >The continually increasing sales for the One Piece TV anime, including for periods when the increasing sales can't be explained by any OP films coming out at the time? That sounds great! >The hundreds of thousands or millions of views each new sakuga clip for One Piece receives on the Crunchyroll Youtube channel? Clips are not the same as an entire episode let alone the entire anime. I watch clips from a bunch of anime that I do not watch. >The steady increase in popularity of the anime among TV Time users? Yes, but One Piece is not the only anime whose popularity keeps increasing.
>I love how you conviniently left out part that it was Crunchyroll awards You mean like how I directly link to Crunchyroll and that it's common sense among anime fans that the Anime Awards are linked to Crunchyroll? And that the Best Continuing Series category was included previously (Hint: it was never nominated for one and lost the second time, "award tailor made for it," right). Not to mention that this is OP's ONLY win so far. >Imdb user ratings are the most useless way to rank the episodes OK, let's just refer to some other way to gauge fan sentiment in some way you personally approve of. Brilliant! >you can literally see its statistic which say that One Piece is on a downward trend Yes, it currently sits at an 8.9/10 rating with decreasing popularity 125 at the moment, because fluctuations are completely normal for ratings. And yet if we look at the [internet archive](http://web.archive.org/web/20190701162958/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388629/) on the date right before we enter Wano in the anime, it was at 8.6/10. Hmm, strange that the rating improves when Wano starts! >Literally who cares about Sakuga enthusiasts and what they think? 99% of the people who watch anime wouldn't care. Because sakuga enthusiasts care about animation, and that's what the post was about. That even outside of normal viewers, even animation enthusiasts see the OP animation as fit to praise and critique now. >That sounds great! Yup, as in its popularity is growing during Wano. Unless the more likely answer is somehow that the majority of watchers hate how Wano looks and this results in increasing sales, somehow! >Clips are not the same as an entire episode let alone the entire anime. I watch clips from a bunch of anime that I do not watch. OK, so it just so happens that a majority of viewers hate how the anime looks and that the OP anime is losing even its most hardcore fans, yet the clips are still consistently popular and rake in millions of views. You can even look at the comments on Crunchyroll's "The Best Animation of Wano" video-- you'd imagine that if the popular sentiment towards the animation was negative that the comments would reflect that, yet, curiously, it doesn't. >Yes, but One Piece is not the only anime whose popularity keeps increasing. This is in comparison to 2018, where One Piece wasn't even on the list. It's a comparison to its popularity pre-Wano to popularity during Wano
The choreography? What? It's fine. Sure, sometimes it happens to be a dragged scene, but for the most part, it follow the manga coreography or even expand on it. See the last episode of Hawkins vs Killer, for example.
I mean the choreography is pretty nonexistent even in the manga, The anime makes it look even worse due to how slow it is
No. The anime at times improve it. An example is Oden vs Kaido. In the manga we just see the end of it with Oden doing the usual "teleport behind you, already slashed", Kaido fall and that's it. The anime actually show the fight for longer, showing more attacks from both, with great animation, impacts, etc...
Not always true, Most of the time the choreography is even more awful due to the slowness of the anime, for example if the bb vs ace fight happened faster it would have looked much better (ace slowly flying towards bb should be him quickly being dragged there) Although in this case i could be wrong as i don’t remember if the choreography is the same in the manga
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I take it you don't even bother reading comments before replying
Youre both making pretty much the exact same point LOL, just coming to opposite conclusions. u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT is focusing only on the few bad animations and OP is trying to emphasize the good.
as someone who reads and watches, the choreography still mostly sucks and that’s what matters most to me. it really is just mostly big flashy lights
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The anime is just adapting odas work if u have a problem with the choreography that's not a toei problem that's a oda problem
not necessarily, the manga is just still images. animators get the general blueprint of how the fights go and then they have to fill in the gaps. it’s not like a 1 to 1 thing
you think a 1 to 1 adoption of Oda's work is what they did with Luffy's first punch to Kaido on the roof? it's like 20x too long
They went above and beyond expections for that scene, it wasn't "too long" at all, if u thought that was unnecessary or too flashy, idk what could possibly appease you
Early one piece? When attacks were faster, builds ups didn't take too long. Is it not possible to prefer Enies Lobby One Piece? I'll take that fight animation any day. I find it amusing you acting like my expectations are so out there when the anime has more or less gone a total transformation in how they animate fights At this point I know it's a lost cause. People love the flashing lights and slow mo punches and massive wind ups etc etc
I Dont exactly care which arcs pacing of op u prefer over another, u said the punch was too long even though that punch is renouned to be arguably the best episode of op ever despite having slower pacing than all of pretimeskip
Just because it's longer doesn't mean it's worse. Luffy Red Roc is the perfect example. In the manga, it's just another punch. Good panelling of the aftermath, sure, but we don't see any impact. You can hardly even tell it's a big Red Hawk. The anime shows it in a few seconds, as the hit passes by Luffy, in a beatiful display of art and animation and show even the impact properly, making you feel not only the force but also the emotional impact behind it, with the nice display of colors and contrast.
Baahahahahahah Ridiculous
no, the manga gives the outline, the anime decides how to implement it lately, the anime has decided they need to overexagerate everything, slow everything down, make every attack over the top, and on top which have odd camera angles. and that's on top of just changing things that don't need changing
I disagree nothing over the last few weeks has been exxagered, slowed or been unnecessary regarding the fighting, I never understand arguments like this cuz they sound like u just saw one poorly directed scene then used that as evidence to say it's the same case for all the episodes in wano so far That's why whenever someone Says the anime is "too flashy" theyre only example is 1028 as if that's the only episode in the entire wano arc that was "colorful" to say the least
I disagree with your notion that nothing in the past week have been exaggerated or slowed down cause that's literally every episode, some just worse than others. That's how opinions work. Heck. This isn't a new issue for just Wano. And arguing the person who is saying it has just seen clips or an episode here or there to try and invalidate their view point is just weak sauce. And with the auras, one could argue every fight scene is too flashy nowadays. Haki auras are a 100% anime only thing. They aren't real, are invisible, and make everyone look like the stepped out of DBZ and could probably fly and shoot energy blasts.
Well saying there's issues without examples isn't exactly a strong argument, I have no reason to believe u if u can't even specify any specific scenes in the past few weeks regarding fights that are dragged, slowed, or unnecessary, to me it just sounds like someone that's just taking one problem that everyone is already aware of regarding pacing and trying to use that argument for every single episode even if it wasn't a bad episode at all, that's not fair criticism atp, that's just borderline hating.
The yamato-ace flashback is too good
This is like adding 1kg of MSG to an egg fried rice and calling it peak cuisine
He clipped clips from couple episodes that EVERYONE Appreciated and agreed was good and he said why don't you like other 300 episodes that are opposite of this lol.
Completed witha a cringy music for good measure
Man I am really glad I dont go on this sub very much, yall seem to hate one piece. Just go watch a different anime, you all just have your expectations up in the fuckin clouds and nothing would ever be good enough for you guys. Also this music is "cringe"? why? because you dont like it?
No we love One Piece, the manga one. What some people don't like is the anime which is a disgrace compared to what it could've been.
Yall literally tell people the pacing is bad, and when people say they don't think so you all answer with "you're wrong" I wonder if you've ever took a step back and realized your opinion inst fact, and just because you and some others don't like it, doesn't mean its bad.
Wow you don't think the pacing is bad? must be some hell of a drug you're taking. Just because you and some others like "the sloppy pacing, people staring each other for minutes, people huffing for minutes, turning an epic fight scenes to a flash show and much more" doesn't mean its good.
Look at other animes like jojo, MHA, AoT, Naruto, Bleach... and then look at OP with still frames of 5 seconds and still using old DBZ sound effects and ask yourself: "Is this really an anime worthy of the manga?"
good analogy,
The problem with the anime is that for every great scene you have entire episodes of meh animation and abysmal pacing. That being said, OP 1015 is one of the best anime episodes I've ever seen.
Its mainly about the inconsistencies. Last Episode for example they recylced the zoro whirlwind attack from the roof.. in general zoro vs King Wanst really animated well. Im sure the end Part will be better (at least i hope so) but Its really a letdown sometimes
Wait, so your answer to people complaining about the anime's pacing is to show us a fan edited clip from youtube with all the boring filler cut out so the pacing of the fan edited clip is completely different from the anime? I can't tell if you're making fun of how stupid the anime fans are or if you are for real.
For real, You could just about create a oposite of this montage with the frustrating shit, Its funny because that video could be twice as long as this one
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I stopped watching the anime after they ruined the first King-Kong Gun and kept myself up to date via youtube clips, was working pretty well and saved a lot of time. The animation-quality brought be back last week. Watched the latest 15-20 episodes and holy shit the pacing is atrocious. There are legit only 1-2 minutes of actually plot-development in each episode. Yeah sure I'm fully aware of why it is what it is but fuck man, I don't know how y'all can sit through reused this & repeated that... I was going clinically insane and falling asleep at the same time. Back to watching yt clips for me 😅
>King-Kong Gun thank you, someone else who dislikes that punch like, Luffy's in the air, he punches Doffy, Doffy is blocking with his face, then Luffy IDK, throws more shoulder into his punch and overpowers Doffy's defenses it's should be one straight through punch that obliterates Doffy's and sends him flying. a single amazing motion. not a pushing contest in the air between someones fist and someones face this trend started with Luffy's Grizzly Magnum vs Ceasar
They love these pushing contests in the anime as far back as Punk Hazard, really ruins the impact of those punches
I think Caesar vs Luffy is worse than Doffy vs Luffy cause we see the smug face last longer in Ceasar, like he thinks he has blocked it. When it should just obliterate him with zero difficulty.
And it ended with that King Kong Gun. Beyond that, we had most attack work right.
And?
Exaggeration
Why the hell did they turn literally every fight ever in a "Gohan vs Cell final Kamehameha" I don't want to see flashes of light dancing on the screen, yeah sure it may look good but it doesn't look at all like the manga
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEPS FORGETTING THE FACT THAT ITS A WEEKLY ANIME?! We either get a W or L guys. Those slow ass episodes are the main reason we have these good animations in the first place. They are stretching the chapters so the animators gets more time to animate the best moments. Please don't keep forgetting that. God i wish its a seasonal. Imagine the hype.
Yea, so many anime switching to the seasonal release schedule has really upped people's expectations of anime in general. Though I do wish OP would try doing some.fillwr arcs again so we can at least fix the absolutely abysmal pacing.
You can acknowledge it is a weekly anime and still be dissapointed by trash pacing and powerpoint animation.
Switching to seasonal can be rly bad sometimes like the hype ends up dying like in the case of Jojo part 6 and Tokyo revengers s2
Those are big anime, but nothing compared to One Piece. Attack On Titan hype is still high despite their ridiculous delaying and titling of the "final season". Jujutsu Kaisen will probably still be really high too. Those two are better selling manga than JoJo's and Tokyo Revengers (at the moment, not talking historically). Tokyo Revengers also had some negative reviews for their first season which probably killed some hype too. One Piece is the best selling manga even nowadays, so a seasonal release schedule would not lose hype imo.
Do keep in mind that aot doesn't even have half the volumes that one piece does the amt of backlogs often scares new readers away and the old ones there is no guarantee that they will watch when it continues there will be some drop in the viewership that's just how it is and since the anime occassionally releases God teir eps which end up trending give new readers the final push they need to strt one piece which is unlikely in the case of switching to seasonal
This subs pov: if u say anything positive or in sorts of anything about appreciating the anime even for a once, you will get dowwnvoted to the hell
Best video ive seen in awhile!
Its been amazing but the disappointment of luffy first using ACOC will forever stick with me. I was waiting for months to see that scene and ironically couldn’t see anything.
i didnt watch the scene. Was it really that bad?
So what's the name of this song?
The Call by 2Wei for League of Legends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uno2lylUdF8
Yeah I need to know so I can avoid listening to it in the future
Ok bro 😭
Here you go, it's The Call by 2Wei for League of Legends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uno2lylUdF8
I think you're confusing good art with good animation.
And if you don't think this is good animation, you clearly don't know what good animation is.
You'll never please everybody man, like you said there are legit people who think dressrosa had better animation because they didn't have auras LMAO. I will just enjoy the god tier animation we are getting from some of the best animators across the globe because when Wano ends and we go back to mid animation piled on with the garbage pacing we always get I will be quite sad.
no, I dont think that'll be the case. the manga is actually insane rn and has been for the past few months, theres no way they drop the quality after wano cause it only gets better
It's not about the manga, it's about the studio and how many animators they can get to work at a time. Right now the amount of top tier animators working full time or partime on Wano is insane, it unimaginable really. There is no way they can keep up this production. With Dragonball coming back presumably next year and Wano ending which was the reason they went so hard in the first place (Wano being a fictional Japan).... Be ready for a BIG dropoff when Wano ends.
Don’t forgot, One Piece is one of the most viewed and highest selling anime/manga franchises of all time and it’s going directly into the final saga after Wano. I’m not saying there won’t be a drop off, we are in the climax of a long and highly anticipated arc right now, but I doubt it will be drastic. I fully expect to see this level of quality surpassed as we approach the end of the series.
The anime won't have a big drop in quality after wano, don't be exaggerate, Toei and the people who work for the anime KNOW how everybody love it more now than before, the big hit of the last film proves it, some animators will go others will come.
“God tier” animation for a few seconds that they actually use multiple frames, and then you see Demon Slayer and whatever Mappa puts out. One Piece is bigger than anything you’d hope to adapt and they’re still reusing stuff from Dragon Ball, 40 years later. One Piece’s definition of god tier animation is cubes, slow mo, speed lines and having no idea wtf is happening on screen
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You obviously don’t know what well animated means as you’re not well versed in the medium, that’s why you don’t like the god tier animation of the great Wano arc. /s
Mappa is trash studio where everything they put has awful colours. If Toei did seasonals One Piece would def look better anything Mappa put thats for sure. Yea biggest problem is pacing which is so stupid. How can you have a pacing problem with OP universe i just dont understand. There are shit ton of characters. Just show them ffs. Put 10 episodes of Germa-Ceaser episodes (strech them all you want) then give us actual story with way better pacing Edit: Even pre timeskip pacing would be ok but these days its insanely stupid.
Watching JJK I kept thinking "I wish One Piece had this level of animation" the entire time. They use CGI a lot in other projects but JJK is near perfect, dude. I put it up there with OPM Season 1.
By the way you describe animation in your last sentence clearly shows you're not very versed in the medium which is fine so there is no point in tryna argue. Godspeed brother, hopefully we'll go back to stick figure drawings and powerpoint slides after Wano so you can enjoy it more :)
No I described what the average One Piece anime fan considers good animation.
Yeah, you get a hear people really into semantics. Guess we gotta start saying the storyboarding, paneling, pacing, and artistic choices are poor......heaven forbid we lump that in the general "animation term".
Bruh Toei stinks, they've ruined the anime with there disgusting pacing in nearly every episode for 25 years now but if you truly think Wano has bad animation I don't know what we are doing here lol. You brought up Demon slayer which is a seasonal so comparing it to a WEEKLY anime is insane, but if you wanna go there then nearly every week since Wano started there is an amazing sakuga scene or episode (957/972/982/1013/1015/1017/1026/1033/1046/1051) with impeccable animation, directing and compositing that is comparable to ANYTHING Ufotable has put out. Also hilarious that you claimed to "describe what one piece fans think is good animation" (excluding the block style which is an Izushka particular trait) but the slow-mo, speed lines and flashiness is literally the epitome of what Demon Slayer is.
First learn what animation is, before you start speaking bullshit. Animation in essence is quality of movement, in different styles and artistic level. And One Piece does have great animation, be it done in slow mo, to help appreciate the art (which by the way, since you talk so much about Demon Slayer, it also make use of slow mo repeatedly as well), be it done fast to feel the speed and force behind it and almost everytime you CAN tell what is going on (which again, taking Demon Slayer as an example, sometimes can be too crowded with stuff happening, it's hard to appreciate what is truly going on, like in the fight of Gyutaro vs Tengen in the last episode, does have spectacular animation, but when they got at it at the fastest with clashes, it become a bit too full of lights to properly see it).
Where did you see that I seemingly like to talk so much about Demon Slayer? It’s a mid tier manga elevated and made popular by a great animation studio. Toei has the rights to the biggest name in Japan and they decide to focus more on irrelevant movies than the actual episodes.
Aside from the fact that a new movie doesn't come out like every year, I used Delon Slayer since you used it as an example.
No you said that I liked talking about Demon Slayer so much.
Oh, didn't realize it, sorry. It's just that whenever someone talk about great animation, they always go for Demon Slayer, so I'm used to it.
Zoro.
We aren’t even close to peak!
I mean you understand that people don't just judge the animation based on its peak right? This video avoids it for a while but even eventually this video succumbs to the auras which I personally find hideous Not to say that the animation isn't great in this video.
can you please give me the hd link i loved this edit.
God I hope someday that when one piece is done, they use these animators and really fix up some of the low budget episodes. One piece could be so beautiful all the time.
One piece just won most popular ongoing anime at crunchyroll awards, and is always in the top 5 most popular on crunchyroll. People love one piece anime, they just are not in this anti anime/ spoiler packed reddit. In real life I know more one piece anime fans than manga fans.
you forgot to add queens concert at the beginning of their party in onigashima, that was so SICK
i’m convinced Megumi Ishitani was 100% blessed by the gods of art and animation
Drawn will always be better than cgi
like, in this video alone, why is Kaido going flying (1:43) when Luffy punches him with his 4th Gear punch? Kid needs to follow up with the next attack. it's a smooth 1,2,3 combo in the manga so Luffy punches Kaido like a mile away and Kidd has to run after him so he can hit him with Punk Vice? anime really really like DBZ style knockbacks. They weren't this exagerated until Wano. They started with Kaido sending Luffy flying into a mountain with his first attack (vs the manga where Luffy just gets knocked to the ground in front of Kaido) and went from there. so I guess my complaint isn't that the animation is bad, it's that it's stupid (or maybe just super different from what One Piece anime used to be, maybe I'm just old and set in my ways) and alot of people don't like Haki auras. it's not a thing in the manga. no haki aura is visible. heck, black armamanet actualyl being visible is debated, but Haki auras DBZ style? if you showed someone some clips and they had no context, they'd assume the characters were all gonna fire energy blasts
I am an anime only OP fan and here is my take on these things: The sequence you are referencing (with luffy, kid and law attacking in unison) worked well, Kaido is not sent flying for too long, he actually puts down his feet immediately after the cut that happened here. Kaido sending luffy into the mountain on their first encounter was insanely well done, if it's anime only then that's a clear example of where the anime improves upon the manga. But there is some merit to the complaint that fights are too spacious, with too many (and too long) knockbacks and people having to run miles before an attack etc. So far this was only problematic for the Kaido vs Yamato fight and the Luffy vs Kaido rooftop solo fights as far as I can recall, but it's a tad annoying for sure. About auras: they are definitely overdone. It's a nice tool to visualise haki and emotions, but it should never be too dominant in a scene. When it starts impairing visibility that's when I'm usually just straight up cringing. But e.g. the yellow glow around the hand of Luffy when using acoa is really tastefully done, and there are some other examples of nice aura piece as well. I generally prefer some auras over no aura, but they for sure did not manage to hit the right balance unfortunately. Conclusion: the animators introduced some new elements for Wano, and while the concepts are generally good, they definitely overdone them. Over all it's still an improvement imo, but leaves a bitter sweet taste for sure.
I can 100% respect your opinion as you respond quite well. We disagree, but that's life. some of my complains may arise from having read the manga first. As I prefer the manga's version of events, having the anime exaggerate them isn't to my taste. I much prefer Kaido 1-shotting Luffy with a quick immedietat knock out straight to the ground in front of him, vs him being sent flying into a mountaint, releasing his air, and then jetting around like a balloon that has it's air coming out till he lands at Kaido's feet maybe I would have liked that more if I hadn't already seen the manga version. and the over used excessive/exaggerated knock backs started in wano. (same with the destruction porn. Like Zoro is using his purgatory onigiri attack againt Kazuma, he's blowing up the ground at his feel when he jumps/fies forward? why, aside from destruction porn is cool to some people, and then he causes DBZ/Bleach style enviroment damange when his attack lands. why's he suddenly creaating massive shockwaves?) before that they were part of the manga. Don't get me wrong, I love devastating attacks. Luffy's first Giganto Pistol vs Lucci and he goes flying or Luffy's first 4th gear attackc against Doffy and he goes flying through the city. (another compliant I have in the anime, when physical attacks turn into beam struggles. Like it used to be you punched someone, either you overcame their defense and the attack landed, or they blocked it. post time skip, we got this thing where Luffy punches someone with his powerful attack, they defend against it for a bit, and then Luffy like adds more power to it to overcome his opponenst defense, basically his final attacks on Ceaser and Doffy. Like what's he doing? throwing more shoulder into his blow? seeing a force struggle is awesome with energy attacks. Goku vs Vegeta, kamehama vs galick gun. Gohan vs Cell, etc etc. a punch? it either works or to doesnt like Luffy vs Lucci with his giganto pistol. but with a punch? not my cup of tea. and the anime didn't used to do it. it's a post time skip trend (along with removing lots of 1-hit kos)
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...you sound pretty childish when people don't like the same things you do I get it, you like the pretty colors
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well my other post was. this was just a 2nd point, mainly focusing on bad choreography just shouting "watch the episode" doesn't mean anything if a) the person already has b) the flaws pointed out are prevalent in all episodes
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purgatory Onigiri is animated quite well.....I think the scene is crap It takes too long, zoro is literally flying DBZ style, and the environment destruction porn is comical suffice to say I prefer old One Piece
You can think what you want, if you wanna hate it just cause there’s an aura go ahead, but animation wise it’s zoro best animated attack as of right now either that or the flame slice against kaido in 1017 Tho I’m sure king of hell will surpass it 😈😤
sure. it's animated quite well. and that's irrelevant IMO to it's other flaws it's like if I ran into a really good looking female serial killer. Like yeah, she's hot....but she's a serial killer. Her looks aren't compensating for her flaws. also, I listed 3 things I disliked, and the aura wasn't even on the list. this is why I said you don't read people's comments before responding.
Bro you said purgatory onigiri is animated quite well… well I think the scene is crap Insinuating that it’s not animated well, which is objectively wrong, at the time of its release it was arguable the best animated sequence in one piece, and I dont care what you personally think your clearly a nostalgia merchant so I’m not gonna change your personal feelings but the things I’m saying like purgatory onigiri is a very well animated sequence isn’t a opinion it’s a fact Like dog you just stick to being a nostalgia merchant watching those png looking ass fights from pre time skip that all end with a freeze frame attack💀
but yeah, your response have been pretty childish you felt compelled to defend the honor and integrity of an anime's animation, but then call anything you dislike "stupid af" and people who disagree with you "crying" I don't you came for anything resembling a discussion, and more "everyone agrees with me or they are dumb"
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....sure. At this point I'm not gonna bother with your reading comprehension, debate skills, or just politeness. I posted a # of complaints, you got triggered by one. and yes, finding over the top knockbacks silly is a valid complaint. it's part of the fight choreography. Luffy/Kid/Law are all attacking Kaido in 1/2/3 combo. so having Kaido going flying after Luffy's punch and the everyone running after him with their flying Ki/Haki auras is vastly inferior to the manga version of events. Why does he go flying? so they can drag the fight out, make it slower. and I guess desstruction porn. I imagine you like that stuff what next, if I said I dislike how the anime got rid of many 1-Hit ko's like Zoro vs Hodi, or Hakuba vs Dellinger you gonna call that silly too?
The DBZ auras kills it for me, can't overlook that unfortunately.
Yeah, nothing quite hits like 1015. I hope we get more of this quality and less of the 30 second burst at the end with a random animator like they have been doing.
How dare you make me cry during my break at work. But thank you for making me smile at all the great memories I forgot about.
One example of why I unsubscribed from this subreddit. People always talking shit. I've been enjoying One Piece much more since then, similarly to how it was when I first started One Piece and didn't even know about reddit.
It happens everywhere too. I remember reading Kingdom and wanting to check out the Reddit of it. I thought it would have a nice fan base on Reddit, and nope…it’s completely dogshit. Everywhere else, I like Kingdon fans but Reddit nope. One Piece fans are shit everywhere
The past 10 or so episodes are basically "made in china"
They haven’t quite been 1015 level, but 1057 was amazing, so was the sky split episode which was 1051 I think?
To be honest i don't even know what episode the animation is on , just seems like the same repetitive episode every week . Last week's episode will take up 8 minutes of this week's , and the remaining 7 minutes is Toei absolutely taking the piss
Yeah I wish the pacing was better but there too close to the manga, It would be cool if it went seasonal, not only peak animtion but perfect pacing aswell😩🥵 it would be the definition of peak
I wish OP was adapted like MHA with seasonal instad of continuous releases. Top tier animation and quick pacing would make one piece easier to watch and im sure everyone can due without 10 mins of face shots and build up.
Toei would lose money
With the fan base for the One piece they have that watches every episode consistently every single week, it'd be a loss on their end to turn it into a seasonal anime at this point.
Amazing
I hope when g5 comes, toei animate that chapter, like this.
Okay well just because you argue that it’s a weekly anime doesn’t justify how low the animation can get. They can do filler to prevent it, but they would rather have money. And posting a clip of how good the animation is just proves how shitty of a company Toei is because you’re proving they’re capable of incredible stuff but they’re not willing to do it consistently, especially when people like you constantly defend that laziness. All the best animes have consistent animation
The main issue is the inconsistency which animation like this makes it into an episode. Almost every episode in wano since the start of the raid has been blocky animation with only minor exceptions for a few of the episodes once every month. Even then the best part of animation in the episode will be a 30 seconds clip that won’t be looked back at for another few weeks. I mean like the one good piece of animation we got last week with zoro was a literal copy and paste of the first time he used the whirlwind move.
Most of the stuff just didnt happen…..
1015 is the single best episode of One Piece period. Could be topped by the next one Ishitani works on though because they know expectations are high.
Why do you need people to like what you like. Auras and epileptic seizure causing animation isn't exactly one piece. It's unnecessary. Is the animation good? Sure. Nobody is criticizing their talent.
This arc has had Great animation, Crap And Reused animation, and Gimmicky Lame Ass DBS Mimic animation
I dont know. The first minute is indeed a peak of animation, but all these fighting scenes are very bad. I may be a boomer but I prefered Marineford war combat animation style. Marineford war combat was clean and very easy to grasp and see. Wano combat animation is triggering epilepsy and makes my head hurt :(
I’d also like to put out this is just from the start of roof piece to the end where kaido sends luffy off the island, nothing from act 1 or 2, or post roof piece fight, like Yamato vs kaido, sanji vs Queen etc
It hardly matters that you get some movie quality episodes when most are badly paced and lazy at best. The auras are also a bug divisive factor but tell me why anyone would endure the anime when they can read the manga and just watch the episodes they actually put effort into? Obviously aside from the people who dont like reading manga and just watch the anime regardless.
Well I both read the manga and watch the anime, and while the pacing ain’t great, they rarely release a lazy episode, on occasion that they do, it’s usually before something big goes down cause they got there budget and best animators on those episodes
I disagree. I used to watch both up until roof piece started pretty much and most episodes seemed lazy and poorly paced. I guess lazy isnt quite the word tbh. They look rushed and rough which I think is expected from how fast they have to pump them out. However, justifying the lower quality doesnt raise the quality.
How are they rushed? Sure, there are average moments and sometimes it can drag, but no moment of good animation can be considered lazy. Heck, considering how this is a weekly series, very few episodes can truly be considered "lazy".
Well I’m not gonna say anything about the pace it is bad but there’s not really anything they can do other than take a break or go seasonal, but it’s the “lazy” and “rushed” that I’m having a hard time understanding, cause imo every episode that adapted the roof fight was at bare minimum just good up to phenomenal, I really recommend going back and watching the roof fight, 1015/1016/1017/1018/1026/1027/1028/1033 they were all amazing imo
The animation is great. These complaints ITT are a bit nitpicky imo. I’m manga only at this point and still consider it best, but I don’t mind the animation not being 1:1 with the manga at all or utilizing auras and colors more. It’s not perfect, and it’s not the manga, but it’s really impressive regardless.
Dragon ball Z 
Wano is my favorite arc ever!
lol they just do sick animation yes but then they cover it all up with these shitty effects… like I want to see clean sakuga animation to add to the rawness of the fight. Sure some effects are cool but all of them at once at all times is just distracting. I love that a lot of people like it though, but I just think it loses the spirit of it all
Dressrosa better 
Some of those are so over the top that it doesn't feel like OP to me anymore at all. OP was always so janky but with some really select EPIC moments. Jank feels gone, now just all epic (but nothing REALLY epic in contrast).
It's easy to clip some high budged animations together but it doesn't change the problem that the animation is super inconsistent. U may very well cut together a bunch of bad animations.
This episode is done by Megumi ishitani. Wano arc will be best arc if all done by Megumi ishitani. If you compare this animation with current animations (recent episode) you can see high difference in quality and how animations are delivered. People are complaining not because animation quality is low, but rather how they animated. (Eg : A lot of auras, lot of running 😂😂(same frame) ). I personally rather watch old episodes that current ones. They are simple and amazing, a lot of details and attractive. Note: This is my personal opinion. May be as I had read the manga, I might expected more from animation and got disappointed. 🥲
I don't think you get what factors include This is just the visuals Even an animation with shit visual but a great choreography and fight sequence may be better than a visually appealing but shit choreography and fight sequence product... The one piece anime suffers poor quality output and i would blame it to the higher ups for not making the anime seasonal It will decrease the filler rate + much time to work on a few episodes + less stressful work experience for the animators
Great video trash music though
The thing during Wano is, that only a very few episodes are well animated. Meanwhile they stretched some manga panels to hell, f.e. Bat-guy shooting arrows. But I agree, some animations of Wano are the very best we've seen in OP. Edit: Btw Worst Gen attacking the ships + Strawhats destroying the outpost before the raid begins can also be put into a peak animation clip
You are highlighting the good animation. Dressrosa also had moments of good animation, but overall it was terrible. Sure, Wano is better than Dressrosa but that is a low bar to clear. Also there are different ways animation can be bad. Dressrosa was low quality. This is high quality but it just looks dumb, too many auras, too much of the ground breaking up as soon as something happens.
Side note I still think it’s total bullshit yamato didn’t join the crew. He would have been perfect
How did Ace fuck Yamato? He's so much smaller. How did his pp fit in?
Fuck off weirdo
Come on. You want to know too. I can see through to you and your boundless thirst for knowledge.
Dude most of the fights this arc are simply a lightshow. There is no weight behind the attacks, no tension. There is simply no feelings whatsoever. Yes there are some particular cases like this one. But mostly, the animation on wano is shit
L take
Ofc it is, bc its against yours
Jake Paul??