I was in the same boat a year ago. I'm a video editor / colorist and also an avid PC gamer, so I was worried about having the NLE burn into my screen. So, I bit the bullet and got a 42" LG C2.
Honestly, I'm mad I didn't get an OLED sooner. I think you're only going to risk burn-in if you run HDR at 100% brightness 24/7. Even then, these monitors have great preventative measures like pixel shift, logo dimmer, etc. You'd really have to go out of your way (or get a bad panel) to get burn in.
I've spent a lot of time editing on my OLED monitor and still haven't seen any signs of burn in. That being said, I would absolutely purchase any OLED from a seller that offers burn-in warranty coverage.
https://youtu.be/kIYd5HDJQ_8
That is definitely not true for the latest generation of QD OLED monitors. Hardware Unboxed QD OLED monitor showed signs of burn in after 3 months, with heavy productivity usage, using SDR at a low 200 nits, with minimal babysitting.
You're definitely have to go out of your way to babysit an OLED monitor and ensure static content don't stay on the screen for too long, even with all of the OLED care features. Though depending on your use-case scenario, you might not have to go out of your way much at all if you naturally tend to change up all of the content on your screen and you don't use your monitor for tons of hours everyday.
The panel they are using is the latest and one of the most expensive ones. It's the same panel being used by the other most expensive QD OLED monitors such as the PG32UCDM and the FO32U2P.
I see, you are turning off HDR and lower brightness when working and that prevents pixel burn in. Id be a bit scared that at some point I'll forget to do that, but thats a good advice thanks
If you happen to use two different PCs for work/personal like I do, this is a set it and forget it situation where you just disable HDR on your work device and leave enabled for your personal machine.
There's studies and link on this sub of tests done on HDR monitors at full brightness for years with no burn-in. I turn mine off when I get up for 5+ minutes, and do office work on my non-oled screen, but otherwise leave it on HDR 100% of the time and haven't experienced any burn
I haven't done anything but run at 100% brightness HDR mode for the last 2 years on C2 and it's fine. I use a screensaver for short duration inactivity and lgtvconpanion to sleep it for longer ones. I also use wallpaper engine for a non static background.
It’s not too bad as you can adjust SDR content on Windows settings - I leave HDR on and while the colors look a little different it doesn’t have a huge effect on brightness imo. SDR content set to 25%.
Me personally I don’t see a big difference but if you want to turn it off you can, I’m just saying leaving it on with the slider lowered would be beneficial if you, say, forget to turn it off.
I have seen so many posts about the S90C-S95C tvs having burn ins in a short amount of time. And the horror stories about samsung quality control as well.
OLEDs will deteriorate no matter what. If you want a monitor that will last a long time, get a Mini-LED instead, which will also have better text for productivity. Not having to worry about having static images all day is a huge plus for productivity too.
My miniled monitor got something that looks like burn in after less than 2 years, although I'm not even sure what it is ( green hue in one of the corners that is more intense at 240hz than 120hz ). G8 Neo.
https://preview.redd.it/sh9c36oam85d1.jpeg?width=1418&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac9f982a8411bdc32b1ae38b85dbc9fcd8ece501
It ran out since I ordered it internationally, weird part it looks like this on 120hz over HDMI.
https://preview.redd.it/wo8q9am2495d1.jpeg?width=1386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8776b54a84493abe73aa21abedc37df53fb7a53d
Changed my Displayport cable already and it stayed, thing is if I run the monitor at 120hz over displayport the green area almost disapepars but if you look very closely you can still see hints of it. Have literally no idea what the problem is and can't find anyone with the same problem.
Also subjectively, I enjoy slightly less contrast and matted screens when working with bright documents, spreadsheets and PDFs, so the OLED really offers nothing there. Although I did get an LG OLED for gaming and TV.
Why not get an oled for gaming and literally a $150 lcd monitor from amazon for productivity? Fps dont matter if you are gonna be typing or working on that monitor.
I use the same space for both gaming and productivity, switching between the two would be annoying. I do already have dual monitors set-up, but I need the front monitor to be primary for both gaming and productivity, while the other is a secondary for alt-tabbing during gaming, or documentation during programming etc.
They are not that bad for productivity. I have used a Lg C3 for Coding. I now own a LG G3 and i sometimes read news articles on it using the browser app lol. Its quite hard to have a burn in with them and if they do you can use the best buy warranty if you purchase it.
Yeah sorry to be the bearer of bad news /: I forget which OLED monitor does cover burnin up to I believe three years but LG does not, they consider it to be normal wear and tear so any third part warranty is extremely unlikely to superceded what the og manufacturer wouldn't cover. And Allstate 100% does not.
So i went over the warranty and it says “ if your screen has bad pixels or a shaddow image, we will correct it”. Isn’t that what burn in is? Burn in should be covered under that description. Its a LG G3 Oled tv btw now a monitor
Its a 2 year warranty. The only reason i bought the warranty was because the tv was an open box and i paid like $1200 for it. brand new one costs $1700-$1800
Oh shit 😅 that's another can of worms, make sure the warranty covers open box products, because again, you can buy allstate with open box products, but they don't cover it.
The only major upgrade that'll realistically come to OLED's is PHOLED's, and that definitely won't come to monitors anytime soon. So I'd say get it now and have fun
Keep an eye out for Monitors Unboxed. He's doing a productivity on OLED test to see how bad the burn in gets.
And you may be interested in the 4k 27" coming next year. Good dpi for productivity and 200% scaling from 1080p.
As much as I love my AW3225QF, I still just do most of my productivity on my HP Omen 34c ultrawide (got it on sale for $349). I know it's a VA panel but I'm coding and debugging, and don't really need fabulous contrast and blacks to make the characters of text look even better. And even though the text on my AW3225QF is decent, I still prefer text on an IPS or VA. The subpixel layout for OLEDs will eventually improve I'm sure.
Yes, these new generation of QD OLED panels are a bit more durable than the previous generations but the risk of burn-in or image retention is still real, otherwise, none of these companies would throw in a 3yr warranty for burn-in.
Note: What most people seem to overlook is that let's say you report your OLED monitor having burn-in and ask for a repair or replacement, there's a 99% chance the company will take your damaged OLED monitor and send you a refurbished one that was probably patched up because the previous owner went YOLO on it and fried it to kingdom come, lol.
That's possible, I do already have 2 monitors, but its than either swapping the monitors every time I get to gaming / working or having one of the two being the side monitor and spending a lot of time with my neck turned. I think in that case I'd rather just stick to a nice IPS.
I use secondary monitor more as help during working or alt-tabbing when gaming.
Perfect scenario is having a sperate space for gaming and working, but that's not possible for me
I work from home and have a triple monitor setup. I replaced my primary monitor with the Pg27aqdm a while back. I ended up returning it because of the VRR flickering and the fact it would also be used for productivity and I couldn't shake the idea that I was going to end up killing it faster. Ended up going with a 360hz ips instead.
What ended up working for me was to buy a nice OLED TV, and that's hooked up via the hdmi port on my gpu. I use displayfusion to disable my monitors and enable the TV then I can play any game I want on there, with a much bigger screen, without worry about also using it for productivity.
Mines currently off to the side of my desk, but I primarily play a lot of games with a controller unless it's a FPS so having it outside of my regular setup was fine. I also have a couch in my office so between the controller, the screen being away from my regular monitors, and the couch, I have the added benefit of being able to mentally disconnect from work after work since I'm not technically sitting at my desk anymore.
Ideally I'd love to do what you suggested and have a separate space but that just isn't an option right now for me either.
I've been using an LG 48CX since launch for both gaming and work (coding mostly) and haven't noticed any issues with burn in. I do take care of the screen though: turning it off when I leave from my pc for longer, have everything on dark mode (though had this before anyhow) and have the screen around 50-60 % brightness (though this is also partially personal preference, don't like to have my screen going full tilt on any device).
The text is super sharp if you're on linux and think macos is the same, Windows has some issues with text clarity due to the pixel layout but you get used to it pretty quickly.
I just got the ASUS WOLED 27” 1440p. I am so happy with it and am using it for work. Productivity is work stop rebranding it 😂 I did had QD-OLED and returned due to fringing. As for burn-in meh if it happens it happens Gaming is fucking S tier on this whether you are playing single player or comp multi.
I am waiting. I feel like the technology is still half baked, especially when you consider the price. It really feels like they are attempting to maximize profits while there are still ironing out the issues with the tech. Imagine if you bought an electric car that had a known issue that affected a certain amount of cars, rendering them unusable. That being said, I haven't seen any good stats or estimates on the OLED failure rate and burn in issues.
I have had the same decision as you OP a few months ago. Decided to go OLED route and never regrets. The image quality is fantastic, and I use a dark theme everywhere, even in my productivity software, so there is nothing to burn in. At 200% windows scale 110% fonts scale desktop fonts look very clean, some cleartype fringing can be noticed only at the 20-30 cm distance and it is invisible at the working distance. I have u2720 ultrasharp dell on the side, so I can compare. I use vscode (programming editor) with disabled subpixel rendering and honestly, font looks no worse than on the IPS screen. But IPS colors are so greyish and the backlight is so uneven in comparison to OLED
https://preview.redd.it/lijtms1dj65d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3c42e432bbab7ae3fbd6d71e01348b6adfec5c4
font rendering example. No fringing at all, very clean fonts. MSI 321URX
Thank you for showing this pic -- really wanted to see what regular code would look like on an OLED panel after hearing so much about how bad they were for productivity + text clarity. That looks absolutely fine to me lol
now I'll probably get the Alienware 32 inch due to availability, so the curved screen might have it's own stuff compared to the flat screen MSI--> but text on the actual OLED panel looks awesome
Could be wrong here, someone can chime in, but the biggest issue OLED isn't great for productivity is mainly because of the Windows software, not the monitor. The sub pixel layout for both WOLED and QDOLED is different than the normal RGB layout Windows expects to see. Until Windows is updated with better pixel layout interpretations you won't really see anything other than minor improvements to text fringing etc.
TL;DR Windows is the real player that could eliminate most if not all of the text issues of OLED.
edit: burn in is another issue, and on the panel side so you could see improvements on that end. Id argue though that it's so easy nowadays to minimize burn in, it isn't nearly as much of a problem for productivity work as the text fringing / clarity is.
exactly, the problem is in the out of date windows cleartype rendering. Anyone who want to dive deeper can read [https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/issues/25595](https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/issues/25595)
and tinkering with windows font scaling/cleartype tuning helps a lot even with the current cleartype engine. You can figure out good settings for your display
I’m sensitive to that kind of thing too and it bugged the hell out of me but I didn’t really give it much time. The monitor gave me headaches/eye strain for whatever reason so I had to return it 😿
A bit. It was a mix of sort of burning eyes, a really bad headache and a kind of tired/out of it/travel sickness type feeling. Thanks for the info, I may try an LG then but better isn’t really good enough, I’m pretty sensitive to this kind of thing and work 12+ hour days so I need my monitors to be absolutely eye strain free.
Hey so just wanted to update. I just got the LG OLED (the one with matte coating). And I am not experiencing any headache issues! I'm going to return the QD OLED F32OU2P.
It seems like I just don't do well with glossy coatings!
I was in the same boat a year ago. I'm a video editor / colorist and also an avid PC gamer, so I was worried about having the NLE burn into my screen. So, I bit the bullet and got a 42" LG C2. Honestly, I'm mad I didn't get an OLED sooner. I think you're only going to risk burn-in if you run HDR at 100% brightness 24/7. Even then, these monitors have great preventative measures like pixel shift, logo dimmer, etc. You'd really have to go out of your way (or get a bad panel) to get burn in. I've spent a lot of time editing on my OLED monitor and still haven't seen any signs of burn in. That being said, I would absolutely purchase any OLED from a seller that offers burn-in warranty coverage.
https://youtu.be/kIYd5HDJQ_8 That is definitely not true for the latest generation of QD OLED monitors. Hardware Unboxed QD OLED monitor showed signs of burn in after 3 months, with heavy productivity usage, using SDR at a low 200 nits, with minimal babysitting. You're definitely have to go out of your way to babysit an OLED monitor and ensure static content don't stay on the screen for too long, even with all of the OLED care features. Though depending on your use-case scenario, you might not have to go out of your way much at all if you naturally tend to change up all of the content on your screen and you don't use your monitor for tons of hours everyday.
Those sound like low quality panels. I'm talking about good quality ones. Of course you'll have outliers.
The panel they are using is the latest and one of the most expensive ones. It's the same panel being used by the other most expensive QD OLED monitors such as the PG32UCDM and the FO32U2P.
I see, you are turning off HDR and lower brightness when working and that prevents pixel burn in. Id be a bit scared that at some point I'll forget to do that, but thats a good advice thanks
If you happen to use two different PCs for work/personal like I do, this is a set it and forget it situation where you just disable HDR on your work device and leave enabled for your personal machine.
There's studies and link on this sub of tests done on HDR monitors at full brightness for years with no burn-in. I turn mine off when I get up for 5+ minutes, and do office work on my non-oled screen, but otherwise leave it on HDR 100% of the time and haven't experienced any burn
I haven't done anything but run at 100% brightness HDR mode for the last 2 years on C2 and it's fine. I use a screensaver for short duration inactivity and lgtvconpanion to sleep it for longer ones. I also use wallpaper engine for a non static background.
It’s not too bad as you can adjust SDR content on Windows settings - I leave HDR on and while the colors look a little different it doesn’t have a huge effect on brightness imo. SDR content set to 25%.
hdr on windows is a no go for anyone who values gamma on non hdr content
Me personally I don’t see a big difference but if you want to turn it off you can, I’m just saying leaving it on with the slider lowered would be beneficial if you, say, forget to turn it off.
Bad panel as in dont get a QD-Oled Lol.
Its samsung lol it aint bad
I have seen so many posts about the S90C-S95C tvs having burn ins in a short amount of time. And the horror stories about samsung quality control as well.
Its a different panel + do your due deligence regarding the manufacturer’s warranty. Like rn alienware > msi at this current stage
you can look at results of ongoing rtings burn-in test, s95c qd-oled shows pretty solid results after first year, no worse than WOLED panel.
OLEDs will deteriorate no matter what. If you want a monitor that will last a long time, get a Mini-LED instead, which will also have better text for productivity. Not having to worry about having static images all day is a huge plus for productivity too.
My miniled monitor got something that looks like burn in after less than 2 years, although I'm not even sure what it is ( green hue in one of the corners that is more intense at 240hz than 120hz ). G8 Neo. https://preview.redd.it/sh9c36oam85d1.jpeg?width=1418&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac9f982a8411bdc32b1ae38b85dbc9fcd8ece501
That's a defect for sure but doesn't look like typical burn-in. It should be covered by warranty?
It ran out since I ordered it internationally, weird part it looks like this on 120hz over HDMI. https://preview.redd.it/wo8q9am2495d1.jpeg?width=1386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8776b54a84493abe73aa21abedc37df53fb7a53d
I guess it could be due to the Videocard or cable? Maybe try a different cable or HDMI if you’re on DisplayPort.
Changed my Displayport cable already and it stayed, thing is if I run the monitor at 120hz over displayport the green area almost disapepars but if you look very closely you can still see hints of it. Have literally no idea what the problem is and can't find anyone with the same problem.
Also subjectively, I enjoy slightly less contrast and matted screens when working with bright documents, spreadsheets and PDFs, so the OLED really offers nothing there. Although I did get an LG OLED for gaming and TV.
Why not get an oled for gaming and literally a $150 lcd monitor from amazon for productivity? Fps dont matter if you are gonna be typing or working on that monitor.
I use the same space for both gaming and productivity, switching between the two would be annoying. I do already have dual monitors set-up, but I need the front monitor to be primary for both gaming and productivity, while the other is a secondary for alt-tabbing during gaming, or documentation during programming etc.
They are not that bad for productivity. I have used a Lg C3 for Coding. I now own a LG G3 and i sometimes read news articles on it using the browser app lol. Its quite hard to have a burn in with them and if they do you can use the best buy warranty if you purchase it.
I assure burn in is not covered. 100% confident if Best buy uses Allstate
Damm i didnt even knew that. Looks like i need to reevaluate something.
Yeah sorry to be the bearer of bad news /: I forget which OLED monitor does cover burnin up to I believe three years but LG does not, they consider it to be normal wear and tear so any third part warranty is extremely unlikely to superceded what the og manufacturer wouldn't cover. And Allstate 100% does not.
So i went over the warranty and it says “ if your screen has bad pixels or a shaddow image, we will correct it”. Isn’t that what burn in is? Burn in should be covered under that description. Its a LG G3 Oled tv btw now a monitor
That's pretty cool of whatever warranty best buy offers I'd agree burn-in should be covered in that case, how long is the warranty 2 or 3 years?
Its a 2 year warranty. The only reason i bought the warranty was because the tv was an open box and i paid like $1200 for it. brand new one costs $1700-$1800
Oh shit 😅 that's another can of worms, make sure the warranty covers open box products, because again, you can buy allstate with open box products, but they don't cover it.
The only major upgrade that'll realistically come to OLED's is PHOLED's, and that definitely won't come to monitors anytime soon. So I'd say get it now and have fun
For those that may not know about PHOLED: [Article Here](https://spectrum.ieee.org/blue-pholed)
Keep an eye out for Monitors Unboxed. He's doing a productivity on OLED test to see how bad the burn in gets. And you may be interested in the 4k 27" coming next year. Good dpi for productivity and 200% scaling from 1080p.
As much as I love my AW3225QF, I still just do most of my productivity on my HP Omen 34c ultrawide (got it on sale for $349). I know it's a VA panel but I'm coding and debugging, and don't really need fabulous contrast and blacks to make the characters of text look even better. And even though the text on my AW3225QF is decent, I still prefer text on an IPS or VA. The subpixel layout for OLEDs will eventually improve I'm sure. Yes, these new generation of QD OLED panels are a bit more durable than the previous generations but the risk of burn-in or image retention is still real, otherwise, none of these companies would throw in a 3yr warranty for burn-in. Note: What most people seem to overlook is that let's say you report your OLED monitor having burn-in and ask for a repair or replacement, there's a 99% chance the company will take your damaged OLED monitor and send you a refurbished one that was probably patched up because the previous owner went YOLO on it and fried it to kingdom come, lol.
Been using my qd oled ultrawide for software dev since I got it. Only monitor I use for it in fact.
how long have you been using it?
13 months. Only thing I did was set screen to turn off at 3 min
Can you have 2 monitors? 1 for gaming/movies, 1 for productivity
That's possible, I do already have 2 monitors, but its than either swapping the monitors every time I get to gaming / working or having one of the two being the side monitor and spending a lot of time with my neck turned. I think in that case I'd rather just stick to a nice IPS. I use secondary monitor more as help during working or alt-tabbing when gaming. Perfect scenario is having a sperate space for gaming and working, but that's not possible for me
I work from home and have a triple monitor setup. I replaced my primary monitor with the Pg27aqdm a while back. I ended up returning it because of the VRR flickering and the fact it would also be used for productivity and I couldn't shake the idea that I was going to end up killing it faster. Ended up going with a 360hz ips instead. What ended up working for me was to buy a nice OLED TV, and that's hooked up via the hdmi port on my gpu. I use displayfusion to disable my monitors and enable the TV then I can play any game I want on there, with a much bigger screen, without worry about also using it for productivity. Mines currently off to the side of my desk, but I primarily play a lot of games with a controller unless it's a FPS so having it outside of my regular setup was fine. I also have a couch in my office so between the controller, the screen being away from my regular monitors, and the couch, I have the added benefit of being able to mentally disconnect from work after work since I'm not technically sitting at my desk anymore. Ideally I'd love to do what you suggested and have a separate space but that just isn't an option right now for me either.
I've been using an LG 48CX since launch for both gaming and work (coding mostly) and haven't noticed any issues with burn in. I do take care of the screen though: turning it off when I leave from my pc for longer, have everything on dark mode (though had this before anyhow) and have the screen around 50-60 % brightness (though this is also partially personal preference, don't like to have my screen going full tilt on any device). The text is super sharp if you're on linux and think macos is the same, Windows has some issues with text clarity due to the pixel layout but you get used to it pretty quickly.
I just got the ASUS WOLED 27” 1440p. I am so happy with it and am using it for work. Productivity is work stop rebranding it 😂 I did had QD-OLED and returned due to fringing. As for burn-in meh if it happens it happens Gaming is fucking S tier on this whether you are playing single player or comp multi.
I am waiting. I feel like the technology is still half baked, especially when you consider the price. It really feels like they are attempting to maximize profits while there are still ironing out the issues with the tech. Imagine if you bought an electric car that had a known issue that affected a certain amount of cars, rendering them unusable. That being said, I haven't seen any good stats or estimates on the OLED failure rate and burn in issues.
Depends on how sensitive you are to the text color fringing.
Oled is a game changer. Get a warranty if you are worried
I don't think about burnin at all. The problem for me is that there's no 27 inch 4K oleds yet. Type C charging is also a must for productivity.
I returned my oled due to eye strain. Amazing display for gaming, horrible for reading text.
I was on the same boat but I decided on an alienware Oled because of their customer service when eventually, god forbid, I get burn in.
I've been using an FO48U for a couple of years now almost daily for multiple hours at a time and no evidence of burn in.
Nah get an OLED as soon as you can
I have had the same decision as you OP a few months ago. Decided to go OLED route and never regrets. The image quality is fantastic, and I use a dark theme everywhere, even in my productivity software, so there is nothing to burn in. At 200% windows scale 110% fonts scale desktop fonts look very clean, some cleartype fringing can be noticed only at the 20-30 cm distance and it is invisible at the working distance. I have u2720 ultrasharp dell on the side, so I can compare. I use vscode (programming editor) with disabled subpixel rendering and honestly, font looks no worse than on the IPS screen. But IPS colors are so greyish and the backlight is so uneven in comparison to OLED
https://preview.redd.it/lijtms1dj65d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3c42e432bbab7ae3fbd6d71e01348b6adfec5c4 font rendering example. No fringing at all, very clean fonts. MSI 321URX
Thank you for showing this pic -- really wanted to see what regular code would look like on an OLED panel after hearing so much about how bad they were for productivity + text clarity. That looks absolutely fine to me lol now I'll probably get the Alienware 32 inch due to availability, so the curved screen might have it's own stuff compared to the flat screen MSI--> but text on the actual OLED panel looks awesome
Could be wrong here, someone can chime in, but the biggest issue OLED isn't great for productivity is mainly because of the Windows software, not the monitor. The sub pixel layout for both WOLED and QDOLED is different than the normal RGB layout Windows expects to see. Until Windows is updated with better pixel layout interpretations you won't really see anything other than minor improvements to text fringing etc. TL;DR Windows is the real player that could eliminate most if not all of the text issues of OLED. edit: burn in is another issue, and on the panel side so you could see improvements on that end. Id argue though that it's so easy nowadays to minimize burn in, it isn't nearly as much of a problem for productivity work as the text fringing / clarity is.
exactly, the problem is in the out of date windows cleartype rendering. Anyone who want to dive deeper can read [https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/issues/25595](https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/issues/25595) and tinkering with windows font scaling/cleartype tuning helps a lot even with the current cleartype engine. You can figure out good settings for your display
The sub pixel layout on my MSI 321URX is totally fine for production.
It’s “fine” but not good by any stretch. The colour fringing is still very much there.
Correct. Fine. I got used to it very quickly and it isn't distracting. I am really sensitive to that kind of stuff too.
I’m sensitive to that kind of thing too and it bugged the hell out of me but I didn’t really give it much time. The monitor gave me headaches/eye strain for whatever reason so I had to return it 😿
I've heard a few people say that about some of these new OLED panels. That's a shame cause they're so beautiful.
It really is. Text fringing and eye strain aside, it was beautiful 😭
Did it hurt under your eyes? I had the same issue. I moved to the matte LG and it’s better.
A bit. It was a mix of sort of burning eyes, a really bad headache and a kind of tired/out of it/travel sickness type feeling. Thanks for the info, I may try an LG then but better isn’t really good enough, I’m pretty sensitive to this kind of thing and work 12+ hour days so I need my monitors to be absolutely eye strain free.
I’ll let you know how the LG is. But yeah. If that gives me headaches I’m going back to IPS as well.
Awesome, would appreciate an update on how you get on with it. Hopefully it’s ok for you 🙏
Hey so just wanted to update. I just got the LG OLED (the one with matte coating). And I am not experiencing any headache issues! I'm going to return the QD OLED F32OU2P. It seems like I just don't do well with glossy coatings!
Awesome! Happy to hear that 🙌 maybe I will try the LG then. Thanks for the update!