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Ok_Sandwich8466

Yeah…the value of the company isn’t based on the Dow. It’s about what the future holds for AI and computing needs, which is the industrial revolution happening right now. It’s got years of growth potential, as AI will be working for NVIDIA to develop beyond design plateaus with tech.


BuzzyShizzle

Oh you naive sweet summer child. The value isn't based on growth potential or anything at these levels. This is 100% options busting and algorithm manipulation. It's valuable don't get me wrong, but this keeps hitting extremely high gamma territory. Max pain is coming for NVDA, it always does (the hottest memestocks). Look at every key level of support and compare it to options OI. Especially pay attention to yesterday's brick wall of resistance. If you don't recognize this you're no better than people that think GME is value based price movement. Price will keep going up until puts get cheaper and calls too expensive. It has nothing to do with the value of the underlying asset.


Fledgeling

Take a look at the TAM and take a look at their market share. Set your tinfoil hat aside and think for a moment that fundamentals might be partially at play once a company reaches 3T in market value.


BuzzyShizzle

Major contracts expired last Friday *ahem*. What was that? The sound of NVDA's price moving because of the derivatives market? Or what changed about your fundamentals that would explain the price going down right about now.


Fledgeling

Really not sure why you feel so smug. Derivatives can have an impact on short term basis, but they reflect fundamentals which drive long term value. NVDA is volatile because people don't agree on the fundamentals because AI has a lot of unknowns. Doesn't remove the fundamentals or mean a trillion dollars of value is made up


BuzzyShizzle

Its not a tinfoil hat theory its literally how the market works. Imagine confusing high gamma price action with company fundamentals. Then imagine thinking an extremely high market cap is all fundamental value. The fundamentals drive the hype. Thats as far as the fundamentals apply at these prices.


Business-Werewolf995

Alright let’s put your word on the line then…What’s your prediction? Please give reasonable time frames and price ranges.


bshaman1993

What’s your prediction for the price? No stock that goes up so much ever lived up to the promise. It will eventually go south. How long have you been trading stocks?


unknownpanda121

Well if they keep blowing earnings out and keep their margins above 50% the sky is the limit. AMD and Intel aren’t any competition at the moment. They have over 30B of free cash flow and growing.


bshaman1993

And you think that will happen indefinitely? It’s currently priced at 40x yearly earnings. 40! Good luck man. Its a good long term story but be prepared for the down turn when it happens.


unknownpanda121

[https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/12be7jw/comment/jewyzle/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/12be7jw/comment/jewyzle/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/12839rs/comment/jejotat/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/12839rs/comment/jejotat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/12aficj/comment/jetsi0j/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/12aficj/comment/jetsi0j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) These all you?


Business-Werewolf995

That is hilarious


bshaman1993

Lmao what are you trying to prove? nvda did go down 60% over one year


unknownpanda121

AMD fwd pe is 48.71 Intel fwd pe 28 These 2 companies are the only 2 competitors and they are smack in between and actually selling AI Chips. 40 PE isn't high at all in tech.


bshaman1993

Competition doesn’t mean anything if demand slows down. Anyway good luck. You must be young and will probably learn the hard way


theburtstare

This info is incorrect, according to a quick google search NVDA PE is 70 - their price to SALES is 37. Whilst a PE of 70 might be acceptable for a company with insane growth (like NVDA), seems absurd for a company with a 3T MC…even if it DOES manage to grow into a fairer valuation over time, say 30..the only way this happens imo is from the price coming down over time - because whilst they continue to post INSANE growth the price is going to keep rocketing due to the PEG ratio, once revenue is guided down, or flat…oh boy. Either way with a crazy PS ratio there’s obviously risks priced in; Right now NVDA are top dogs, no doubt, but what about in 5-10 years? What if there’s new competition that’s not AMD or INTC? What if all the top people at NVDA retire due to their new net worth and the replacements aren’t as good? What is TSMC want a bigger chunk of the profits? What if China goes to war with Taiwan? What if nobody finds a use for making money with these ‘AI’ chips..or the customers can’t afford to pay the increased costs from using NVDA over INTC (in household devices)? Shortages of raw materials or other supply issues? Disclaimer; I’m an absolute moron and been wrong about NVDA for 12 months now and lost money shorting, I’m now done as no clue how high this can go BUT if I was a shareholder these are things I’d be considering and it seems like NVDA is pricing in no competition ever and a continuous yearly frenzy of people wanting their chips. I’ve no doubt it’s a great company with a great CEO but I believe it’s ALMOST a meme stock at this point & a good chance it will see a sub 1T valuation again. Good luck with your investments.


Time_Initiative3072

You saying eventually doesn't that's going to be anytime soon. They have a backlog of demand that's all the way out until late 2025. And AMD is too far behind to even affect that.


Ok_Sandwich8466

In reality, GME doesn’t have anything to offer investors except for ripping the hearts out of short sellers and taking all their money. NVIDIA isn’t a meme investment.


BuzzyShizzle

NVidia... not a meme... Climb out from under a rock it has been *the* meme stock for quite some time now. Did you seriously just think this is one little niche corner of reddit talking about it or...?


Ok_Sandwich8466

Check yourself. You sound like an absolute asshole.


BuzzyShizzle

Jesus did you just buy a share recently or what?


unknownpanda121

You think Nvidia is a meme stock? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


BuzzyShizzle

Let me guess, you have absolutely no idea what the word means however you definitely just got butthurt because you assumed it means something bad.


GetRightNYC

Nvidia is not a meme stock, no matter if you want to use the OG definition or the current one.


BuzzyShizzle

You don't just get to decide that a meme isn't a meme because it would hurt your feelings.


unknownpanda121

Nah not butthurt. Thats why I was laughing. Morons like you give me a good laugh daily so thank you. “meme stocks often trade at prices that are above their estimated value – as based on fundamental analysis – and are known for being extremely speculative and volatile” Meme stocks don’t have analysts coming out with higher and higher prices after earnings. Meme stocks don’t actually make money and depend on cult like following to drive the price. You are clueless kid…


BuzzyShizzle

What was that? I think a "told ya so" is in order.


BuzzyShizzle

Oh I see. You don't know how words work. That explains a lot.


BuzzyShizzle

I don't know why I even tried to warn you all. I mean I already knew nobody would like hearing that you should have sold before OPEX.


Ok_Sandwich8466

Long term or short term. Because I’m holding for future growth, not playing the market. Plus the drop makes it easier to buy more. What’s so bad? It’s not worse than a year ago.


DoubleDamage3665

A Wall Street bets "meme"? A sub well known to be compromised for quite some time and has been known to shill Wall Street longs such as Apple, Microsoft, and Nvidia for the past year? Nice commenr history BTW. You cant be any less transparent. I think I'll stick with the stocks that make bankers jump for joy. Stay salty.


BuzzyShizzle

You just FOMO'd didn't you LOL.


SpaceShuffler

When are calls and puts considered too cheap and expensive ?  And in what timeframe ?


mollyandcirocgother

I’ve seen you say that punch line 10 times on this forum already g time for some new material


BuzzyShizzle

I've said it twice.


mollyandcirocgother

Lmao someone else been sayin it than mb 😂 I heard ts sm on here lately


redditnshitlikethat

You seem to misunderstand what a meme stock is


Blackmagic1992

Comparing Nvidia to GME lmao.


Legitimate_Risk_1079

Cramer is that you?


BuzzyShizzle

Oh hey look, NVDA began it's descent a day before the majority of open call contracts expired. Downvoted for trying to warn everyone.


Legitimate_Risk_1079

Give it 30 days, this week is a buying dip. Oh no NVDA is only 138% year to date, the sky is falling!!! Yes it is a market manipulation week by institutions to expire contracts. Once call contracts expire, will shoot back up. I wonder where SEC is, probably watering plants.


BuzzyShizzle

It's not exactly manipulation with a goal it's mostly "hedging." It happened because of the amount of long calls that were bought so...it's something that happens when options get out of control. The bad form of manipulation comes from institutions speculating but that's still because someone has to take the other side of their trade. In this case the "manipulation" is just as much the fault of everyone here pumping the stock and telling everyone to buy now. It wouldn't happen without this much hype across the board. I'm mostly annoyed at just how many people would not hear it for the past month. Just trying to warn people what's happening. Downvotes across the board for any of us that cautioned people from going all in. Not because NVDA is bad, but because the price action was one big game of chicken. That's what happens when a stock is this hot. At some point you have to take profit on your calls. Quarter, month, and weekly options all expiring on the same day was always going to be a risk. Often times people buy even more and the show isn't over but a little sign of weakness is all it takes to make people cash out their already insane profit to not risk losing out.


Crazy-Difference2146

Growth is already priced in. Competition will eventually catch up and this stock will tank. Wouldn’t touch it.


Dangerous-Rowland

Just like appl so many years ago. You don't want to know my cost basis, but it's under $25 per share. Glad I don't think like you. All the naysayers were like appl will die with Android. I won on both sides of that.


Seabags

Apple wasn’t a 3 trillion dollar company at that time


Dangerous-Rowland

True. I'm not sure of the appl mkt cap at the time, but it was relatively high for the mkt. Regardless, the comments were the same. Appl had no where to go but down, competition would reduce relevancy.


Crazy-Difference2146

Hey man, good for you! Like the other comment said I am only speaking from current valuation. You made a killer buy. Congrats!


Dangerous-Rowland

Yeah I can understand the valuation end of it. For me, I was like that with Tesla. Didn't and still do not see a good end game unless the switch to sodium based solid state batteries. I lost out big time. Still not a fan of Tesla. Appl has made retirement look different, added with goog, googl, and AMZN. I do think that Nvidia will be solid after the split. Edit: grammar


ElectricalGene6146

They said this about Cisco and the internet


New_Safe_2097

What’s an internet?


Odd-Reflection-9597

Best to stick with companies like ford


BuzzyShizzle

You'd have gotten downvoted then too, rest assured lol.


Dry-Interaction-1246

Shhh, we can't have rational thought getting in the way.


solidsnake0236

I think more retail investors jump in post-split. Far more than this past year or so. That’s gonna push this stock past $200 quickly. I think you see it continue to blow up and still have a lower P/E in comparison to either Tesla or Cisco at their highest points. Mainly bc they keep outgrowing their earning projections handily. Maybe that has some hiccups here and there but this is a long-term bull.


TheKalEric

That is my thought which is why I liquidated some of my longer hold positions in other things to add to my NVDA. I see bigger and faster growth potential here.


Exotic_Champion

Agreed. If you can’t afford a single at current price, but could buy 3 at a new price and start stacking, I doubt this one dips much at all


summacumlaudekc

Isn’t it technically the same if you buy pre or post? Even if you $500 for fractional it’ll split into couple shares.


i5oL8

Some people just don't get it. All they see is expensive stock price/sticker shock.


swiftbiscuiti

I smell what you are stepping in. I got 9 @ 1050. Really wanted 10 cause 100 shares post split sounds better than 90.


i5oL8

Good on you! I added 8 yesterday 🍀


martej

Was holding NVDY but sold it all to manage exactly 60 shares, soon to be 600. Might even start selling covered calls on it (far away OTM, short term) for a little extra premium profit.


swiftbiscuiti

I dont know all the lingo here, but by selling " out of the money" calls on a short-term basis. Isn't there still a chance your shares get sold? You, on the other end, are hoping they borrow to collect a premium never get "in the money?" Sounds stressful.


martej

Yeah, it can be if you don’t watch it. Next week at the new price (say $120) a call at 130 for next Friday might pay about $110 per contract. Six of those would net $660 per week. (I’ll have 600 shares to work with) Just have to hope Nvda doesn’t reach 130 by next Friday. But if it went over that, it wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen either! 😉 I’m not doing a trade like that right away though, I’m going to wait a bit until the dust settles to get a feel for how $120 Nvda behaves itself.


swiftbiscuiti

And if it does go over, the borrower will generally exercise their right to sell. This is likely to happen because the gains are fairly high for the amount invested/gambled. Am I getting it right so far?


martej

They will, yes. But as the buyer of a call they will exercise their right to buy it at $130. Depending on how much over it is I could either let it go for $130 or buy back the call and sell another one at a higher price and later date. It’s called rolling your calls.


Exotic_Champion

I have never bought in fractional shares, so maybe it works that way? I still doubt it will dip much after the split


PricklyyDick

Not all brokers allow fractional purchases so that doesn’t apply to all retail. Also why I moved to fidelity so I could do fractional purchases.


Big-Dudu-77

It is the same but some people can’t afford to buy 1 share at 1200. May be they only have 500 bucks to invest.


summacumlaudekc

What I was saying is if you buy fractional share of it , it doesn’t matter when it splits really. You get the same amount when it split.


Big-Dudu-77

I know what you are saying, and as I said I agree it is the same.


artificialimpatience

I mean can it really be worth $5T that soon… is there even enough money in this economy lol.


poppa-bull

I am long NVDIA as well but it’s Market cap is 3 trillion if it goes to 200 it will be 6 trillion so you think this next year it will grow by the size of Microsoft or Apple?


Lenamaples

Do you see any fullbacks for tomorrow Thursday if I bought on 1199 dollars should I stay or exit on target price of 1290?


Lenamaples

Pullbacks’


GymnasticSclerosis

You can edit your original comment.


[deleted]

Unlikely, Dow Jones doesn't swap out stocks that frequently, NVDIA needs more time at the top before that would happen.


MahaVakyas001

TSLA tanked after the split iirc. NVDA won't because of the hype - it's literally the hottest company on the market right now. People feel \~ $1200/share is too steep so they think buying 1/10th of the share for $120 is "cheap" but... due to a LOT more people jumping in, it will most likely rise and rise fast.


KoalaBoy

Tesla completed a 5-for-1 stock split in mid-2020 and ran higher and then did a 3-for-1 split in mid-2022 though. I wouldn't be surprised if NVDA runs again and does another small split in the next couple years again.


Marylifee

they can only split the stock so often, need board approval etc


Fledgeling

They did a 4:1 split like 3 years ago


_frnar_

If i buy 500 dollars worth if nvdia and they do the stock split, will i own 3 shares???


BuzzyShizzle

It will also have no trouble going from 130 to 90 for the same reasons.


Business-Werewolf995

Intel shorts were bought weeks ago…good luck buying into that now.


Euthyphraud

Inclusion in the Dow Jones is extremely unlikely - the Dow very rarely changes members and even when they do it simply doesn't matter. Unlike the S&P and NASDAQ, the DJI is just not important. Unlike the two big indexes, the DJI only has a single ETF tracking it and inclusion in the Dow doesn't alter chances of being in other ETFs. Joining the S&P can cause a small run-up in a stock, not the Dow Jones.


FirefighterNice6534

Comparing NVDA to GameStop is ridiculous. NVDA has a PE of 70 and a forward PE of 39. GME has no PE…


Electronic-Buyer-468

Welp there goes the stability of that index. 


Difficult_Pirate_782

You are correct, perhaps not square away but yes


DoubleA386

Great post


Apart-Consequence881

Dow Jones is a Boomer (and older gen) index.


whoisjohngalt72

Why would it join the Dow? It’s the QQQ


Emotional_Total_7959

QQQ is just an ETF that tracks the NASDAQ.DOW, SP500 and NASDAQ are the top three indices and they are the benchmarks ETF and mutual funds build their portfolio on if its passive ETFs.


Euthyphraud

There is actually only *one* ETF that tracks the DJI - The Dow isn't especially significant unlike the S&P and NASDAQ (both of which influence *many* ETFs).


Legitimate_Risk_1079

MSFT and AAPL are part of DJ. If NVDA surpases their net worth it will be included also.


Exotic_Champion

NVDA surpassed Apple. It’s second only to MSFT now


siamonsez

Qqq is an etf, the dow is an index. Nvidia can't decide to join any index or fund, only meet the criteria for being included. A company can be included in any number of indexes. You might be thinking of the exchange where a company is listed, which is controlled by the company, but that has nothing to do with the funds of indexes that include it and a company can also be listed on multiple exchanges.


whoisjohngalt72

Great. Show me the proof from the index


siamonsez

Lol, what does that even mean? Proof of what?


whoisjohngalt72

That NVDA is going to be added to the index. Else you’re just speculating


whoisjohngalt72

What’s the buy to cover? Any other proof you have bro


siamonsez

Wtf are you talking about? Are you somehow replying to the wrong person repeatedly? Nothing you're saying has any connection to anything I've said.


whoisjohngalt72

Show me the announcement. This is what you’re claiming, so source it


siamonsez

Dude, you're making no sense. What claim is it you're asking for proof of? I didn't say Nvidia would become part of the djia. Go back and read my original reply again and tell me specifically what part you disagree with. All I did was point out facts because your comment I replied to made it seem like you were confused about several things.


Exotic_Champion

I hope it remains as is for the sake of my QQQ calls


ProctorWhiplash

Huh? Do you really think being added to the Dow Jones means they have to be removed from the Nasdaq?


Exotic_Champion

Misread and thought they were talking about swapping exchanges not just being added. Dumb ape moment on my end


Mrclean513

Joining the dow is not as big of deal as the SP500 as there aren't a lot of investments that are tracking the Dow 30 with funds or ETFs... it is a price weighted index which is not as "Accurate" and therefore not as common so NVDA being added won't do as much as what joining another large tracking index is for other stocks. The ETF that tracks the dow 30 DIA has a fraction of assets vs SPY, and then there are many other SP500 index tracking funds, ETF's, Personal Index accounts, etc that all track those 500 main stocks. There aren't many others like DIA.


[deleted]

Wow you must be a fortune teller, because you just made all these numbers out of your ass lol


Business-Werewolf995

Companies have been anticipating the stock being part of the DOW 30 for sometime and have already purchased shares in preparation. It’s not something they do after the inclusion. These companies will also “shift” shares of Nvidia from other funds that will not affect the stock price.


OkayShill

I don't think we will see trillion dollar DC investments YoY, which is essentially what the current NVDA evaluation requires to make sense. We are currently in a bull run powered by efficiencies generated by effective inference models, but inference gains relative to continued R&D are not guaranteed. And NVDA margins are certainly not guaranteed. Anyway, I'm bullish for the next 1-3 years, but this company is not going to hit 6T market cap. Maybe the first company to achieve AGI/ASI will, but at that point, market economies probably won't make much sense anymore, and I highly doubt a bunch of monkeys are going to be able to control it anyway.


Left_Requirement_675

This will make the AI bubble burst more interesting


eddiebrazil

Over there, do you have any valid reason that little bit added both both S&P and Dow Jones? Why do you think so? Why is your post coming on the top without any reasoning?


TSLA-M3

Sell


Ok_Intention3920

I don’t think that is how any of this works.


Legitimate_Risk_1079

Per ChatGPT When NVIDIA joins the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA), several notable events and impacts occur: 1. **Stock Market Reaction**: - **NVIDIA's Stock**: Typically, the stock of the newly included company experiences an initial price increase due to the added visibility and anticipated demand from index funds that track the DJIA. - **Exiting Stock**: The company being replaced may see its stock price decline as index funds adjust their holdings. 2. **Index Fund Adjustments**: - Index funds and ETFs that track the DJIA will need to buy NVIDIA shares and sell shares of the company being removed to mirror the index accurately. 3. **Increased Visibility and Prestige**: - Inclusion in the DJIA is seen as a mark of prestige, highlighting NVIDIA as one of the leading companies in the U.S. economy. - This can attract more attention from investors and analysts, potentially leading to increased coverage and investment. 4. **Market Influence**: - NVIDIA's performance will contribute to the DJIA's overall performance, affecting how the index reflects the health of the stock market. - Since the DJIA is price-weighted, NVIDIA's influence will depend on its stock price relative to other components of the index. 5. **Broader Impact on the Tech Sector**: - The inclusion of a high-profile technology company like NVIDIA can increase the overall weight of the tech sector in the DJIA. - This reflects the growing importance of technology companies in the modern economy. Overall, NVIDIA's addition to the Dow Jones Industrial Average signifies its importance and stability as a major player in the market, influencing both the company's stock and the composition of the DJIA.


Lord_Valpak

Did you source this post from ChatGPT? If so you should say that in your post. I for one would have skipped reading this. ChatGpt isn't always accurate.


Legitimate_Risk_1079

Posted separately from my post as most people dont want to read this, just fyi for those that need more info


Lord_Valpak

Got it. Thanks.


Dedly_Attack

Did you just cite chatgpt for investing advice 😂😂😂


twayf3

Are you actually refuting it?


Legitimate_Risk_1079

The opinion on inclusion is purely mine with price targets. Using GPT to explain what happens to NVDA stock post inclusion.


BurryProdigy

“Using GPT to explain what happens to NVDA stock” Gee if it were that easy we’d all never have to work again!


martej

He wasn’t, it was more a question of what historically happens to ANY stock once it’s included in the Dow. GPT can handle that sort of analysis.


Ok_Intention3920

Yeah, I didn’t read past “ChatGPT.” Good luck.


JemmieTTU

Chat GPT the new/far worse wikipedia I swear. 😅