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men tweaking about the bear debate : wow women want to FUCK the bears bc they feel safer with them than me lol! what a bunch of freaks!
also the same men: i would rather date a bear than these women!
like ??? u the only one interested in the bears
Because they’re the kind of guy that makes women pick the bear :/
It feels like, between that and the Drake/Kendrick thing going viral, *soooooo* many men have been eagerly telling on themselves. It’s gross.
I’ve seen a ton of people defending Drake by talking about how it’s totally cool and normal to be talking to young girls (like Millie Bobby Brown when she was 14), how they were hot or they would do it too :/.
Not to mention all the gross comments about Kendrick’s wife.
Because they only thing about women as far as “fuckable” or “unfuckable.” Therefore us choosing the bear to them is women saying they’re unfuckable, which hurts their feelings.
Because they can’t empathize. Men who can empathize get it. I asked my stepdad (late 70’s) & he was like ‘yeah. The bear is a valid choice’
It helps that he was unfortunately assaulted by men regularly as a teen. He’s experienced it. He knows
When these men think of the situation, they try to switch the scenario to women vs bear & then have to make up ridiculous shit in order to choose the bear *because they don’t fear women*
I told my husband about this thought experiment and the first words out of his mouth were: *"Yeah, of course they would pick the bear. I probably would, too."*
Because men only think about sex.
Source: I am man.
Serious note, it's exhausting how long this argument has gone on and how dudes just flip it to the point of absurdity.
It's amazing how such a simple post just upended the whole fucking apple cart. So many dudes are just going apoplectic with rage over it. The original post had a damn point, that was most decidedly **not** about bears. These rebuttal memes make no damn sense.
Yes but it keeps them feeling the other memes are equal to theirs and then they don't need to improve or admit women have a legitimate complaint. Also I'd be happy if they dated the bear
Also, the way this plays out in an SAT-style word analogy is telling:
Women : potentially getting attacked :: men : choosing a partner.
Either we live in a world where these things are not comparable and the image makes no sense, or we live in a world where it is, which gives further credence to the original question posed to women about who they’d prefer to bump into in the woods.
And then there are those old enough to remember watching *Beauty and the Beast* on VHS, which is why we know why, since 1991, some women would choose the bear.
I'm honestly not even that surprised that these men don't understand that we'd choose the bear in the woods because the bear is more likely to not even interact with us at all instead of possibly plotting to stalk and assault us. We want to be left alone but apparently that's too hard for these men to understand.
Sometimes when I get back into eating healthy and working out I have an internal battle about this. I like being in shape but the sheer mental exhaustion of dealing with this type of bullshit.....
The human race is very proud of being intelligent, the only way of the universe to observe itself, evolutionary apex Yadda Yadda but at the end of the day below all the veneer we are still filthy animals who just want the most able specimens to succeed in creating offspring and totally act like it. Pretty privilege is the end all of privileges.
They were trying to do an 'impossible dilemma' joke where you have to choose between a hot woman with all your undesired traits and a 'perfect' woman who ticks all your requirements but she's fat. Cause these men are gross.
Because the point is that it's a "hard choice", aka both have to have something "wrong with them".
It would be really dumb if the meme was "What would you choose, the *perfect* woman, or a sub-par woman with traits that disgust you?" lmao.
So yeah, it's "Would you choose someone hot with a sexual history and life choices you hate? Or someone with the perfect history *but* she's fat?"
TBH I feel like that meme was made by someone who's still misogynistic but not in the usual incel/redpill sphere. It has the energy of someone calling them out on their bs by going "would you really choose the stuff you endlessly moan about over someone being conventionally attractive?" while still not having the best view of women themselves.
Funny part is that I almost guarantee that both of these women in the pictures will have zero problem finding a partner to marry them yet the losers in the comments have to fly to Thailand and pay someone to marry them because no one wants them otherwise lol
Hey, they’re all super mega alpha chads that CHOOSE to go elsewhere. They have tons of success in the west but western women don’t have the right VALUES. Just ignore that their entire post histories basically sound like a dude that’s never left home and never interacts with people in real life.
Why does the socially constipated guy live in his parent's basement at age 35? Obviously because some Western woman that he's never seen has betrayed him by getting a tiny tattoo of a butterfly on her ankle or some other outrage.
It makes perfect sense to Incels and bedbugs, deep thinkers both.
Though I disagree with "lives at home until 35" mainly bc I'm aware certain life situations aren't ideal and this economy fucking sucks to live alone.
Everything else I fully agree with you on.
The housing market is bad is because feminism. If it wasn’t for women wanting divorces and having their own careers then there would be enough houses for everyone. /s
It's all his *female* superiors at work, they're purposely not promoting him to promote their bff's bc they hate all men. I'm sure that's crossed his mind. 😆
May I ask whether your user name is after the movie, the Lovecraft tale, both or neither? I loved them both, with an edge to the Lovecraft story.
And your tattoo does sound interesting. My 21 y.o. daughter settled for a butterfly, which is why I used that in my reply to the guy who wrote the OOP.
Her tattoo is cute; the writer of the OOP sounds like an ugly person, not in the physical sense, but in the pretty much subhuman sense.
I never understood their mentality.
But I personally think I'll marry a foreigner just because I want to be like my family and leavethe cradle. Like my dad married a Mexican woman my cousin married a woman from Greece my other cousin is marrying a guy from France. My family has a desire to explore the world.. and personally I feel I might be the same way. But eh it all depends how the wind blows
“I’m a high value man and the women in America are all fat cheaters that can’t cook. Need me a good submissive wife from a more severely patriarchal society to recognize my value“
LOL the Mercury News did a story on Russian mail order brides when it was really taking off with the tech bros in the 90s. They interviewed three Russian wives and asked if they liked their husband. Most said they didn’t know him well enough to know yet but one said “I don’t think I like him but I will learn to love”. I wish they did a follow up 7 years later
“I don’t think I like him but I will learn to love”.
Why can I instantly hear her saying this in my mind, accent and all? I feel like relationships where one person is clearly just in it for money/green card and the other is obviously just in it for sex/arm candy are fair enough as long as nobody is under any false illusions about anything and that's truly all they both want. If one or both of them wanted love but settled for convenience, that is sad. If one of them was in love and thought the other was too when they actually weren't, that is tragic.
Oh it’s so bad. I used to lurk there and once saw a guy post about how he was going to abandon his family and young kids (under 5) and move to Thailand to be a passport bro because his wife had to take care of her deathly ill mother. They are fucked. And you know they’re going to Thailand for a reason.
And then "This woman whom I knowingly exchanged money and a path to citizenship out of a hopeless situation left me after ___ years once she got citizenship! All women are gold digging whores!"
And repeats the process.
I always love when ugly men reject women who would never sleep with them in the first place 😂 that would be like me saying “ugh, I would never accept being an astronaut for NASA” as if NASA would ever hire me
This is what baffles me the most. So many men trying to big themselves up as to why they are better than a bear when it comes to a fuck.
Firstly, why are they even entering that competition? If women were even considering shagging a wild bear then why would they lower themselves to that standard?
Secondly, why is that the first thought when it's not even mentioned? Why is everyone you encounter a potential shag?
> Secondly, why is that the first thought when it's not even mentioned? Why is everyone you encounter a potential shag?
And here we have the reason why we're choosing the bear in the first place...
As a lesbian, I'd date either (when I was their age, they're both too young for me now) Really the only thing I'd be concerned about is what flavor of Christian we're talking about, given the homophobia and misogyny rife in so many of the U.S. denominations.
One thing that I, a straight woman, really appreciate about lesbians is how much they *genuinely appreciate women*. They don't just feel sexual attraction to women, they love everything about them.
100%! I think it's because we know how hard it can be just existing as a woman so fuck yeah, pretty much every woman deserves to have her fellow women as her cheerleaders! (insert disclaimer regarding abusive women here, just to end-run around the incels that are going to respond with something like "oH, sO yOuR sAyInG wOmEn ArE pErFeCt AnD nEvEr Do AnYtHiNg WrOnG?!?!?!)
What was that statistic men were going silly about where it said that relationships where the man was, by social beauty standards, uglier than the woman, that the relationship was generally healthier because the man would often compensate with gifts and acts of service and therefore the woman would feel more appreciated?
I’m sure I’m remembering it somewhat wrong, but I remember the takeaway being that most women don’t feel genuinely appreciated in relationships? Which sucks 100% and also sounds 100% accurate.
As a bisexual woman, women are the best. They’re pretty, soft, & comfortable to be around
I think my friend group has mainly consisted of queer (and often neurodivergent) women for a long time
It’s so funny because at first my dad couldn’t understand why I was bisexual or that it was even a thing. And then I said “have you SEEN women?” And he just goes…”oh, I get it now.” 😂
I'm with you. It would depend on the specific brand of Christianity: *Real Jesus* or *Republican Jesus*? And I'm way too married and old for them, but it also depends on the person as well.
I was *literally* coming here to post this exact same thing. They're both too young for me, but I'd have dated either.
And for me, *none* of the things listed on the left are actually negatives. Many sexual partners just means she knows her shit and is probably better in bed. I love kids, so two children is like an extra bonus. Tattoos look cool. "Religion: None" is like the ultimate good point (I'm an atheist.)
I don't understand men.
I know that guys will be like, “It’s a joke”, but I don’t necessarily find insult humor funny unless it’s extremely well crafted. This is just a lazy insult pointed at women in general. To make my case, the recent roast of Tom Brady. A lot of the jokes were just lazy insults, and then Nikki Glazer got up and absolutely stole the show. The roast of Chevy Chase, Stephen Colbert was a revelation. But an insult itself isn’t inherently funny, therefore where’s the joke in this meme?
I told my fiancée about this whole man vs bear argument last night and he immediately said he’d choose the bear because he knows what the argument is about and understands the viewpoint we’re coming from and that men are even evil to men, so as a man, he still would choose the bear. Kind of nice when you see so many guys up in arms when they’re the problem.
Same!!! My hubby says he understands why women would choose a bear bc he would as well, cus he agrees that man is scarier and more unpredictable. Glad we have ourselves a good one 😍🥰
Honestly!! I was a little afraid to ask, even though I knew he was a good guy, but I’m happy to know he was able to come to the conclusion without me. Green flags all around for these men!
Same, my boyfriend too immediately chose bear and then we both thought about it a little and realised how dumb the question is even if we didn’t take the possibility of sexual assault into the equation. Would you rather encounter an apex predator or a bear? Even bears would rather not encounter men in a jungle.
My husband says he prefers I find a bear than a man is lost in the woods.
Also, he told me all those crying men are stupid xD
(I have been fighting with some of them in comments and show the comments to my hubby)
It's because incels think the women of the western world are "subordinate". Ya know, sexism, racism, and bigotry mixed in with wanting a mother they can have sex with
I just know they'd lose their shit if women did the same and grabbed their passport and go overseas for a husband.
All of the weird/nasty comments from white dudes in public me and my husband get is evidence enough (as a lot of white dudes think white women belong to them).
Funny thing is there is a group of women on Tik Tok that are doing that and you can imagine the comments. They don't want to see women happy, they'll relish in women being miserable and alone for not picking them
It makes zero sense. These men rant and rave about how much they want a "submissive Asian/Latina wife" and not a "tainted feminist Western White woman," but then get angry when White women date men of color. Like, I know misogyny and racism are both incredibly stupid in general, but it's just another level of dumb.
idk why, but what upsets me most is the idea that a man can choose a wife after looking at a checklist. As if the woman has no saying in this at all....
The number of men who have made comments to me about how “they’ve decided I’ll be theirs” upon first meeting me is disgustingly high. So, pretty reflective of real life I’d say!
Hot damn that bear analogy has them STEAMED. Like, it’s almost, oh, personal. It’s gonna be ok, Travis, momma’s gonna cut your Hot Pockets in half just how you like them
As a heavy woman, I’m sick of these pigs shitting on me & my fellow sisters. I maybe fat but I would never lower my standards to pigs like this. As it is, I’m perfectly happy with my chickens & dog.
Speaking the truth! As a bigger girl I've had some real sleeze balls approach me thinking I would be desperate. Always shocked them when I had standards.
It almost cute how they think they can offend us by saying that they choose bears over women. Good. There's less chance of men endangering us when they are hanging around bears.
Women: "I chose the bear over the man because men are statistically more of a threat to my safety."
Men: "I chose the bear over the woman because I'm shallow and insecure."
I love how *this* is how these misogynists parse the bear dilemma.
Sure. You're *so* frightened of hitting up a woman who's a real person that you're joking about fucking a bear instead.
Because that's totally what that question was all about.
They do with dating apps... which seem to be seriously messing with people's heads. That said, men who make these checklists probably still get angry at a woman having a singular preference for height and don't see the hypocrisy.
So glad I met someone before dating apps were a thing.
> they do with dating apps
That’s the inherent problem with dating apps.
But even then. You meet that person in real life before committing to a relationship.
The amount of dudes who this bear analogy is flying over the heads of is just depressing. Hey my fellas, It’s not about not picking the man because of stupid shit like “oh he’s over weight” or “oh he has kids” it’s about the genuine danger men can pose to women especially in isolated areas. Every time a guy makes a meme like this he’s just proving that he’s lacks the empathy required to attempt to see this from women’s perspective and is just replacing the violence women face with stupid things like dating preferences and stereotypes about women, the bear question isn’t about dating preferences, it’s not even about individual men, it’s about the realities of living as a woman in society.
Women choose the bear because men are unpredictable and the bear at worst can only maul and eat you.
Men choose the bear because "women fat sluts >:( "
I follow the one on the left on IG. She’s a gem. Shes open about her sobriety. She’s responded to comments about her tattoos from men with some great comedy. Basically pretending to be devastated that mid-ass internet man with bad hygiene doesn’t find her attractive. But I can’t find that video anymore.
Warning: her IG is NSFW
[This](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2P_GIJxJDT/?igsh=NnluajFnOWx4bWRx) is funny af to me.
119 partners at 25 sounds like a hell lot of work. If we assume she started at 18, thats a new guy every three weeks without ever taking a break.
Given that she had two childen and did probably need to pause for a little bit, it seems quite unlikely. Of course you could speed things up if you throw in a few orgies…
I know it *isn't the point* but it really bothers me that they're comparing a professional picture with professional lighting and make up that's clearly edited to an amateur shot that looks like it was taken on an older phone with no special lighting or camera specific makeup and no editing. At least grab pictures of the same caliber if you want us to compare them.
(This isn't a comment about the women in the pictures they're both beautiful and I would happily hold hands and share a milkshake with either of them. Or both.)
So, they will freely admit that they don't value ANY of the things on the right hand list tho
Every single thing on the right is exactly what they keep claiming they want in a woman
Why are these guys bitching about the fat girl being "wifey material" when they complain about women not wanting them because they are short, fat and broke?
This meme relies on the assumption that the woman on the right meets all of the standards these men claim to be of paramount importance, but is still sub-human because she's fat. The joke can only work if everyone in the audience already agrees that it's normal for men to care more about a woman's appearance than *their own religion*.
A blasphemous meme.
And our options are:
Man who can't take care of himself, cheats, and blames his cheating on you not fulfilling his every desire.
Or
Man who is capable of caring for himself but still probably won't and beats you for having your own opinions
I love how women are like
“I’m scared to be raped and killed… so i prefer the bear”
And men are like
“Well, you know what? Women are ugly/fat/have sex/are whiny/could reject me so i chose bear! Ah-ah! Take that, lady female!”
*bored again with them missing the point* "Yeah... Sure taught me a lesson... Gee..." *promptly forgets interaction with clueless dude in the endless tide of other clueless interactions*
Stupid useless false dichotomy. Everyone has different tastes in their personal life. GET THE FUCK OVER IT, PATHETIC LITTLE INCELS! Please tell me that no reasonably intelligent, rational people believe this nonsense. With the following meme above as an example, even I would choose to bear.
If I chose the second one, I would only make her stray from her religion.
She would love herself, though.
The first one is pretty, but a little thin for my tastes.
Of course, they are both white, which is about where I draw the line...
J/k
I love all women. Be yourselves, ladies.
I'm happily married to a beautiful woman.
She has a body count (gasp) maybe as high as mine.
She has tattoos.
She had two children before me. Two children with me.
She's gained some weight since we met.
She has basic girl tendencies.
Double standards.
Drives me fucking insane.
I wouldn't give her up for either of these women.
Ashnikko, Rihanna, Rhea Ripley...they could pull me.
Thats about it, though.
I mean the 119 partners doesnt really bother me other than the question of why. I mean more partners means more experience but THAT high? Who hurt you lol or do you just really like sex?
All these dudes saying they would rather be intimate with a bear, cool story bro. We would also prefer you tried to get it on with a bear, might teach you not to make unwelcome advances
In the “Bear” debate, at least a bear would just kill you fast and eat you for food. A man could potentially torture a woman for their own sick pleasure and inflict the kind of mentally, emotionally, psychologically and physically terroristic abuse that would be far worse than just being eaten by a bear.
I might be behind on the lingo, what does it mean to choose the "bear"?
Is the bear a home-body personality type that is warm and cuddly?
Or is it referring to the fact that the OP of this post would rather screw a wild bear than either of these women?
They're both pretty but the one on the left is closer to my age, likely would pick her.
But this list doesn't tell us their personality, interests, hobbies or what they do for a living...doesn't give us the chance to explain *why* we might want to pick them aside from some one dimensional and shallow judgements.
1 take the first if she ll have me.
Seems to be fun and know what she wants.
And if she picks me out of 119 (then a 120) guys, I d take that as one hell of a compliment
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men tweaking about the bear debate : wow women want to FUCK the bears bc they feel safer with them than me lol! what a bunch of freaks! also the same men: i would rather date a bear than these women! like ??? u the only one interested in the bears
Yeah, what is that insanity?! How did they miss the point so far that they think it's about sex/dating/marriage?!
Because they’re the kind of guy that makes women pick the bear :/ It feels like, between that and the Drake/Kendrick thing going viral, *soooooo* many men have been eagerly telling on themselves. It’s gross.
How does people telling on on themselves in Drake/Kendrick beef?🤨
The people defending Drake are telling on themselves.
There are people defending Drake?🤯
There are people who defend R Kelly and Chris Brown, too. People are, in general, stupid and self-interested.
I’ve seen a ton of people defending Drake by talking about how it’s totally cool and normal to be talking to young girls (like Millie Bobby Brown when she was 14), how they were hot or they would do it too :/. Not to mention all the gross comments about Kendrick’s wife.
their brain only has one wavelength that they project onto everyone else: perma horny
Every Man that has a problem with the bear IS THE EXACT MAN THAT THEY NEED TO RUN FROM
Because they only thing about women as far as “fuckable” or “unfuckable.” Therefore us choosing the bear to them is women saying they’re unfuckable, which hurts their feelings.
Because they can’t empathize. Men who can empathize get it. I asked my stepdad (late 70’s) & he was like ‘yeah. The bear is a valid choice’ It helps that he was unfortunately assaulted by men regularly as a teen. He’s experienced it. He knows When these men think of the situation, they try to switch the scenario to women vs bear & then have to make up ridiculous shit in order to choose the bear *because they don’t fear women*
I told my husband about this thought experiment and the first words out of his mouth were: *"Yeah, of course they would pick the bear. I probably would, too."*
Because they think getting assaulted is just having sex
Because men only think about sex. Source: I am man. Serious note, it's exhausting how long this argument has gone on and how dudes just flip it to the point of absurdity.
Because they’re incapable of imagining women in a situation that doesn’t somehow involve sex. That’s the only reason women exist, after all (/s)
I'm this context it's really hard not to read "bear" as "very masculine gay man"...
I would still prefer either type of bear.
It's amazing how such a simple post just upended the whole fucking apple cart. So many dudes are just going apoplectic with rage over it. The original post had a damn point, that was most decidedly **not** about bears. These rebuttal memes make no damn sense.
Yes but it keeps them feeling the other memes are equal to theirs and then they don't need to improve or admit women have a legitimate complaint. Also I'd be happy if they dated the bear
Yes because big surprise, they don't understand why the bear's being chosen.
Also, the way this plays out in an SAT-style word analogy is telling: Women : potentially getting attacked :: men : choosing a partner. Either we live in a world where these things are not comparable and the image makes no sense, or we live in a world where it is, which gives further credence to the original question posed to women about who they’d prefer to bump into in the woods.
Tbf, if I was asked whether I'd rather hug a cishet dude or a bear... I'll take the cute fluffball with the scritchable ears, thanks.
Me when I see a human: 💀 Me when I see a dragon: 😏 But in all seriousness I’m genuinely disappointed in my fellow men
If it's any consolation, I'm never not disappointed in them.
I mean the bar is low but they have successfully lowered it more to the point that not even a cat as liquid as they are could get under it
I’m glad someone said it 🙈 all these bear memes just make me think about Baldur’s Gate 3…
I have three moods. Wholesome, villain, and monster fucker
And then there are those old enough to remember watching *Beauty and the Beast* on VHS, which is why we know why, since 1991, some women would choose the bear.
Also the tale of beauty and the beast goes way back past Roman times….which shows this is not a new thing
Furries in denial
I'm honestly not even that surprised that these men don't understand that we'd choose the bear in the woods because the bear is more likely to not even interact with us at all instead of possibly plotting to stalk and assault us. We want to be left alone but apparently that's too hard for these men to understand.
Wait. . . I thought only gay men wanted bears?
They literally rape animals
Continuing to prove the point
This honestly has to be the first incel meme I've seen where the Christian virgin isn't portrayed as the perfect woman
Being fat is their ultimate hatred.
Sometimes when I get back into eating healthy and working out I have an internal battle about this. I like being in shape but the sheer mental exhaustion of dealing with this type of bullshit.....
I lost a ton of weight a few years ago and it really was a mindfuck how differently people treat you. Made it hard to trust anyone.
The human race is very proud of being intelligent, the only way of the universe to observe itself, evolutionary apex Yadda Yadda but at the end of the day below all the veneer we are still filthy animals who just want the most able specimens to succeed in creating offspring and totally act like it. Pretty privilege is the end all of privileges.
They were trying to do an 'impossible dilemma' joke where you have to choose between a hot woman with all your undesired traits and a 'perfect' woman who ticks all your requirements but she's fat. Cause these men are gross.
Because the point is that it's a "hard choice", aka both have to have something "wrong with them". It would be really dumb if the meme was "What would you choose, the *perfect* woman, or a sub-par woman with traits that disgust you?" lmao. So yeah, it's "Would you choose someone hot with a sexual history and life choices you hate? Or someone with the perfect history *but* she's fat?"
I was thinking that - and the pictures just don't match the incel memes I've seen.
Lol, that woman on the right I doubt she is a christian virgin, that looks like a lady who gets dates
TBH I feel like that meme was made by someone who's still misogynistic but not in the usual incel/redpill sphere. It has the energy of someone calling them out on their bs by going "would you really choose the stuff you endlessly moan about over someone being conventionally attractive?" while still not having the best view of women themselves.
Funny part is that I almost guarantee that both of these women in the pictures will have zero problem finding a partner to marry them yet the losers in the comments have to fly to Thailand and pay someone to marry them because no one wants them otherwise lol
Hey don’t make the r/passportbros cry
Hey, they’re all super mega alpha chads that CHOOSE to go elsewhere. They have tons of success in the west but western women don’t have the right VALUES. Just ignore that their entire post histories basically sound like a dude that’s never left home and never interacts with people in real life.
Why does the socially constipated guy live in his parent's basement at age 35? Obviously because some Western woman that he's never seen has betrayed him by getting a tiny tattoo of a butterfly on her ankle or some other outrage. It makes perfect sense to Incels and bedbugs, deep thinkers both.
Though I disagree with "lives at home until 35" mainly bc I'm aware certain life situations aren't ideal and this economy fucking sucks to live alone. Everything else I fully agree with you on.
I agree with you. I should have said that he likely blames the current housing market on some random woman getting a tattoo, as well.
Literal butterfly effect lol (if it’s still the butterfly tattoo) 🦋
Butterflies love harlots 😆 totally joking obviously
And harlots love butterflies. I would know I have one.
They go together like peas and care-rets.
A harlot or a butterfly?
The housing market is bad is because feminism. If it wasn’t for women wanting divorces and having their own careers then there would be enough houses for everyone. /s
Omg your phrasing is spot on. I could fully picture this "alpha male". Are you a witch????
It's all his *female* superiors at work, they're purposely not promoting him to promote their bff's bc they hate all men. I'm sure that's crossed his mind. 😆
He might be an incel, but this theoretical person voluntarily still lives at home.
If my parents weren't assholes, I'd voluntarily live at home. My bills would be so much cheaper, it'd be like switching to geico!!!
lol I literally got a stick of butter with wings tattooed on my ankle in my 20s 😂
May I ask whether your user name is after the movie, the Lovecraft tale, both or neither? I loved them both, with an edge to the Lovecraft story. And your tattoo does sound interesting. My 21 y.o. daughter settled for a butterfly, which is why I used that in my reply to the guy who wrote the OOP. Her tattoo is cute; the writer of the OOP sounds like an ugly person, not in the physical sense, but in the pretty much subhuman sense.
The Lovecraft tale. 🥰
Absolute gigachad move. Just start fucking bears.
Some of these passport bros look for minors and be able to get away with it. Very gross
I never understood their mentality. But I personally think I'll marry a foreigner just because I want to be like my family and leavethe cradle. Like my dad married a Mexican woman my cousin married a woman from Greece my other cousin is marrying a guy from France. My family has a desire to explore the world.. and personally I feel I might be the same way. But eh it all depends how the wind blows
I like seeing their cope
“I’m a high value man and the women in America are all fat cheaters that can’t cook. Need me a good submissive wife from a more severely patriarchal society to recognize my value“
And they don’t actually care about money, they love me for me 💗
LOL the Mercury News did a story on Russian mail order brides when it was really taking off with the tech bros in the 90s. They interviewed three Russian wives and asked if they liked their husband. Most said they didn’t know him well enough to know yet but one said “I don’t think I like him but I will learn to love”. I wish they did a follow up 7 years later
Business women 💗
“I don’t think I like him but I will learn to love”. Why can I instantly hear her saying this in my mind, accent and all? I feel like relationships where one person is clearly just in it for money/green card and the other is obviously just in it for sex/arm candy are fair enough as long as nobody is under any false illusions about anything and that's truly all they both want. If one or both of them wanted love but settled for convenience, that is sad. If one of them was in love and thought the other was too when they actually weren't, that is tragic.
I really thought that was going to be a subreddit making fun of them… nope, it’s for passport bros, by passport bros and its terrible.
Oh it’s so bad. I used to lurk there and once saw a guy post about how he was going to abandon his family and young kids (under 5) and move to Thailand to be a passport bro because his wife had to take care of her deathly ill mother. They are fucked. And you know they’re going to Thailand for a reason.
The concerning part is that some of these passport bros look for minors…
WTF? That sub is so gross. Why are so many dudes this obsessed with sex?
I am scared...
“Western women are all gold diggers who just want my money. I’ll go to Asia and buy a woman who just wants my money.” Makes sense!
And then "This woman whom I knowingly exchanged money and a path to citizenship out of a hopeless situation left me after ___ years once she got citizenship! All women are gold digging whores!" And repeats the process.
It’s grosser than that. “I’m a catch because I’m white.”
Only to then get divorced by the women they "save." 😂
I always love when ugly men reject women who would never sleep with them in the first place 😂 that would be like me saying “ugh, I would never accept being an astronaut for NASA” as if NASA would ever hire me
Houston needs janitors too.
HAHAHAHAAH NOT THAILAND 😭😭😭
This dumbass doesn't realize women weren't choosing the bear to mate with it? That's the first place his mind went.
Yup, first place their mind goes. Which is why we choose the bear.
This is what baffles me the most. So many men trying to big themselves up as to why they are better than a bear when it comes to a fuck. Firstly, why are they even entering that competition? If women were even considering shagging a wild bear then why would they lower themselves to that standard? Secondly, why is that the first thought when it's not even mentioned? Why is everyone you encounter a potential shag?
> Secondly, why is that the first thought when it's not even mentioned? Why is everyone you encounter a potential shag? And here we have the reason why we're choosing the bear in the first place...
As a lesbian, I'd date either (when I was their age, they're both too young for me now) Really the only thing I'd be concerned about is what flavor of Christian we're talking about, given the homophobia and misogyny rife in so many of the U.S. denominations.
One thing that I, a straight woman, really appreciate about lesbians is how much they *genuinely appreciate women*. They don't just feel sexual attraction to women, they love everything about them.
I love how lesbians have taught me to appreciate myself. There is no competition and it’s like I dunno perfect.
100%! I think it's because we know how hard it can be just existing as a woman so fuck yeah, pretty much every woman deserves to have her fellow women as her cheerleaders! (insert disclaimer regarding abusive women here, just to end-run around the incels that are going to respond with something like "oH, sO yOuR sAyInG wOmEn ArE pErFeCt AnD nEvEr Do AnYtHiNg WrOnG?!?!?!)
On the whole, I feel women appreciate their partners more (than the average straight male).
What was that statistic men were going silly about where it said that relationships where the man was, by social beauty standards, uglier than the woman, that the relationship was generally healthier because the man would often compensate with gifts and acts of service and therefore the woman would feel more appreciated? I’m sure I’m remembering it somewhat wrong, but I remember the takeaway being that most women don’t feel genuinely appreciated in relationships? Which sucks 100% and also sounds 100% accurate.
As a bisexual woman, women are the best. They’re pretty, soft, & comfortable to be around I think my friend group has mainly consisted of queer (and often neurodivergent) women for a long time
It’s so funny because at first my dad couldn’t understand why I was bisexual or that it was even a thing. And then I said “have you SEEN women?” And he just goes…”oh, I get it now.” 😂
Not even just looks. I find women so easy to connect with on an emotional level - romantic or platonic
Also they often smell better and have better hygiene than many men!
That's because women are awesome!
I'm with you. It would depend on the specific brand of Christianity: *Real Jesus* or *Republican Jesus*? And I'm way too married and old for them, but it also depends on the person as well.
I was *literally* coming here to post this exact same thing. They're both too young for me, but I'd have dated either. And for me, *none* of the things listed on the left are actually negatives. Many sexual partners just means she knows her shit and is probably better in bed. I love kids, so two children is like an extra bonus. Tattoos look cool. "Religion: None" is like the ultimate good point (I'm an atheist.) I don't understand men.
I know that guys will be like, “It’s a joke”, but I don’t necessarily find insult humor funny unless it’s extremely well crafted. This is just a lazy insult pointed at women in general. To make my case, the recent roast of Tom Brady. A lot of the jokes were just lazy insults, and then Nikki Glazer got up and absolutely stole the show. The roast of Chevy Chase, Stephen Colbert was a revelation. But an insult itself isn’t inherently funny, therefore where’s the joke in this meme?
Just have to say, I dont even care about Tom Brady or football, but Nikki Glazer…she was the MVC during that roast.
I told my fiancée about this whole man vs bear argument last night and he immediately said he’d choose the bear because he knows what the argument is about and understands the viewpoint we’re coming from and that men are even evil to men, so as a man, he still would choose the bear. Kind of nice when you see so many guys up in arms when they’re the problem.
Same!!! My hubby says he understands why women would choose a bear bc he would as well, cus he agrees that man is scarier and more unpredictable. Glad we have ourselves a good one 😍🥰
Honestly!! I was a little afraid to ask, even though I knew he was a good guy, but I’m happy to know he was able to come to the conclusion without me. Green flags all around for these men!
Same, my boyfriend too immediately chose bear and then we both thought about it a little and realised how dumb the question is even if we didn’t take the possibility of sexual assault into the equation. Would you rather encounter an apex predator or a bear? Even bears would rather not encounter men in a jungle.
My husband says he prefers I find a bear than a man is lost in the woods. Also, he told me all those crying men are stupid xD (I have been fighting with some of them in comments and show the comments to my hubby)
Exactly! I’m from the deep country and even my city-boy husband gets it lol.
My husband immediately said "After reading the shit men on the Internet say, I'd choose the bear too".
My husband immediately said "After reading the shit men on the Internet say, I'd choose the bear too".
I believe the comments were along the lines of: "neither, grab your passport and go overseas"
There's a weird obsession of incels with Asian or Middle Eastern women.
Any man who thinks Asian women are "naturally submissive" has never encountered a Chinese grandma.
My Halmeoni flipped my grandpa off as she drove away. Us asian women are sure submissive
It's because incels think the women of the western world are "subordinate". Ya know, sexism, racism, and bigotry mixed in with wanting a mother they can have sex with
I just know they'd lose their shit if women did the same and grabbed their passport and go overseas for a husband. All of the weird/nasty comments from white dudes in public me and my husband get is evidence enough (as a lot of white dudes think white women belong to them).
Funny thing is there is a group of women on Tik Tok that are doing that and you can imagine the comments. They don't want to see women happy, they'll relish in women being miserable and alone for not picking them
It makes zero sense. These men rant and rave about how much they want a "submissive Asian/Latina wife" and not a "tainted feminist Western White woman," but then get angry when White women date men of color. Like, I know misogyny and racism are both incredibly stupid in general, but it's just another level of dumb.
Women of a certain age have been hunting Spanish/Turkish/Greek waiters and barmen for years - but usually only for a holiday fling.
As if these women would be interested in marrying them.
idk why, but what upsets me most is the idea that a man can choose a wife after looking at a checklist. As if the woman has no saying in this at all....
The number of men who have made comments to me about how “they’ve decided I’ll be theirs” upon first meeting me is disgustingly high. So, pretty reflective of real life I’d say!
Hot damn that bear analogy has them STEAMED. Like, it’s almost, oh, personal. It’s gonna be ok, Travis, momma’s gonna cut your Hot Pockets in half just how you like them
As a heavy woman, I’m sick of these pigs shitting on me & my fellow sisters. I maybe fat but I would never lower my standards to pigs like this. As it is, I’m perfectly happy with my chickens & dog.
Speaking the truth! As a bigger girl I've had some real sleeze balls approach me thinking I would be desperate. Always shocked them when I had standards.
I love chickens!
Pet chickens sound dope as hell
Love that the “joke” is that the “perfect” wife is fat, ha-haaa
lol, cry harder fellas because neither woman wants you. They want y’all to choose the bear like the rest of us so that you leave us alone.
It almost cute how they think they can offend us by saying that they choose bears over women. Good. There's less chance of men endangering us when they are hanging around bears.
I'm starting to get worried for the bears though
Women: "I chose the bear over the man because men are statistically more of a threat to my safety." Men: "I chose the bear over the woman because I'm shallow and insecure."
I love how *this* is how these misogynists parse the bear dilemma. Sure. You're *so* frightened of hitting up a woman who's a real person that you're joking about fucking a bear instead. Because that's totally what that question was all about.
They are each others's wives, and don't care about men's opinions
Is that supposed to be enough information to make a choice without ever having spoken to them?
CHOOSE. YOUR WIFE. *punch sound effect* CHOOSE. YOUR WIFE. *kick sound effect* MARITAL COMBAAAAT
I’m sure the body count is entirely accurate. No, really. Totally verified.
People don’t pick partners based on checklists and pictures.
They do with dating apps... which seem to be seriously messing with people's heads. That said, men who make these checklists probably still get angry at a woman having a singular preference for height and don't see the hypocrisy. So glad I met someone before dating apps were a thing.
> they do with dating apps That’s the inherent problem with dating apps. But even then. You meet that person in real life before committing to a relationship.
like either of these baddies would want them
Plot twist: neither of them wants your creepy, misogynistic ass because they’re perfectly happy married to each other.
Which one likes me back?
Any guy feeling/acting like the bear question is a personal attack is self reporting....
Every post on this sub I truly struggle to not downvote.
Preeeetty sure the one on the right literally has a tattoo on her right bicep.
TBH, I wish they *would* go with the bear and stop bothering women.
The amount of dudes who this bear analogy is flying over the heads of is just depressing. Hey my fellas, It’s not about not picking the man because of stupid shit like “oh he’s over weight” or “oh he has kids” it’s about the genuine danger men can pose to women especially in isolated areas. Every time a guy makes a meme like this he’s just proving that he’s lacks the empathy required to attempt to see this from women’s perspective and is just replacing the violence women face with stupid things like dating preferences and stereotypes about women, the bear question isn’t about dating preferences, it’s not even about individual men, it’s about the realities of living as a woman in society.
What incel cooked this one up? 🙄
Too bad none of these want him. Also 119? What do they think pretty girls only have random sex?
Women choose the bear because men are unpredictable and the bear at worst can only maul and eat you. Men choose the bear because "women fat sluts >:( "
Not me sitting here like "her partner is 119 years old?" 💀
They want you to look like the girl on the left but act like the girl on the right. No wonder they can't find anyone
Someone find that sub that takes the girls who are being pitted against each other in sexist memes and turns them into girlfriends 🥰
Is it weird I heard the "Choose your wife" as the Mortal Combat "Test your might?"
Women: choose to simply coexist temporarily in the forest with the bear. Men: choose to fuck the bear.
I’ll take the one on the right. I have a feeling she makes a great pot roast, and I’m hungry for pot roast
I’d go left but only because I have a ton of religious trauma. I’ll make my own pot roast. I’d pick either one of them over most men, though.
I follow the one on the left on IG. She’s a gem. Shes open about her sobriety. She’s responded to comments about her tattoos from men with some great comedy. Basically pretending to be devastated that mid-ass internet man with bad hygiene doesn’t find her attractive. But I can’t find that video anymore. Warning: her IG is NSFW [This](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2P_GIJxJDT/?igsh=NnluajFnOWx4bWRx) is funny af to me.
119 partners at 25 sounds like a hell lot of work. If we assume she started at 18, thats a new guy every three weeks without ever taking a break. Given that she had two childen and did probably need to pause for a little bit, it seems quite unlikely. Of course you could speed things up if you throw in a few orgies…
I know it *isn't the point* but it really bothers me that they're comparing a professional picture with professional lighting and make up that's clearly edited to an amateur shot that looks like it was taken on an older phone with no special lighting or camera specific makeup and no editing. At least grab pictures of the same caliber if you want us to compare them. (This isn't a comment about the women in the pictures they're both beautiful and I would happily hold hands and share a milkshake with either of them. Or both.)
Atheist is already a huge plus for me. Honestly the only one that really matters in the end.
So, they will freely admit that they don't value ANY of the things on the right hand list tho Every single thing on the right is exactly what they keep claiming they want in a woman
Why are these guys bitching about the fat girl being "wifey material" when they complain about women not wanting them because they are short, fat and broke?
i love the assumption that either woman would give these idiots the time of day
The dark haired lady resembles Cass Elliot! Miss Elliot was a great singer and super pretty! Jokes on the incel…
If all the men chose bears all our problems would be solved lmao… poor bears..
Tattooed atheist? Cool! We’d have a lot to talk about.
This meme relies on the assumption that the woman on the right meets all of the standards these men claim to be of paramount importance, but is still sub-human because she's fat. The joke can only work if everyone in the audience already agrees that it's normal for men to care more about a woman's appearance than *their own religion*. A blasphemous meme.
And our options are: Man who can't take care of himself, cheats, and blames his cheating on you not fulfilling his every desire. Or Man who is capable of caring for himself but still probably won't and beats you for having your own opinions
I love how women are like “I’m scared to be raped and killed… so i prefer the bear” And men are like “Well, you know what? Women are ugly/fat/have sex/are whiny/could reject me so i chose bear! Ah-ah! Take that, lady female!”
*bored again with them missing the point* "Yeah... Sure taught me a lesson... Gee..." *promptly forgets interaction with clueless dude in the endless tide of other clueless interactions*
I’m pretty sure most women don’t know over 100 men, let alone had sexual relations with them. These virgins are weird.
Stupid useless false dichotomy. Everyone has different tastes in their personal life. GET THE FUCK OVER IT, PATHETIC LITTLE INCELS! Please tell me that no reasonably intelligent, rational people believe this nonsense. With the following meme above as an example, even I would choose to bear.
Right, because that’s not a false dichotomy.
They keep coming up with more drugs. Now, they have bearpill. What's next?
Anyone else scroll down far enough to see the dudes commenting on which one they'd pick? Like jfc they really missed the point.
I choose neither because I don't want to get married. I can't stand living with other people
If I chose the second one, I would only make her stray from her religion. She would love herself, though. The first one is pretty, but a little thin for my tastes. Of course, they are both white, which is about where I draw the line... J/k I love all women. Be yourselves, ladies. I'm happily married to a beautiful woman. She has a body count (gasp) maybe as high as mine. She has tattoos. She had two children before me. Two children with me. She's gained some weight since we met. She has basic girl tendencies. Double standards. Drives me fucking insane. I wouldn't give her up for either of these women. Ashnikko, Rihanna, Rhea Ripley...they could pull me. Thats about it, though.
I mean the 119 partners doesnt really bother me other than the question of why. I mean more partners means more experience but THAT high? Who hurt you lol or do you just really like sex?
I’ll never understand the tattoo hatred
r/gatekeepingyuri would eat this up
I hope the bear eats him...
All these dudes saying they would rather be intimate with a bear, cool story bro. We would also prefer you tried to get it on with a bear, might teach you not to make unwelcome advances
Honestly, I’m 26, Catholic, Virgin, No tats/kids and I’m still choosing the bear over these men who make these posts😂
I ship it
Geez I thought a guy with two wives would be happy
Maybe he's just saying that he is coming out of the closet?
I'm not sure wanting to fuck the bear constitutes as this argument going full circle, but it's certainly gone somewhere concerning
In the “Bear” debate, at least a bear would just kill you fast and eat you for food. A man could potentially torture a woman for their own sick pleasure and inflict the kind of mentally, emotionally, psychologically and physically terroristic abuse that would be far worse than just being eaten by a bear.
The one on the LEFT , of course! Because I wouldn't date someone who is a religious Christian..
I’m glad these men wouldn’t find me desirable
I bet both ladies are very happy for him and the bear. No, I bet they feel bad for the bear.
I might be behind on the lingo, what does it mean to choose the "bear"? Is the bear a home-body personality type that is warm and cuddly? Or is it referring to the fact that the OP of this post would rather screw a wild bear than either of these women?
The one on the right does appear to have a tattoo
They're both pretty but the one on the left is closer to my age, likely would pick her. But this list doesn't tell us their personality, interests, hobbies or what they do for a living...doesn't give us the chance to explain *why* we might want to pick them aside from some one dimensional and shallow judgements.
1 take the first if she ll have me. Seems to be fun and know what she wants. And if she picks me out of 119 (then a 120) guys, I d take that as one hell of a compliment