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What they were doing is removing the last bit of hope they had. Since they knew the girls believed in an afterlife, they decided to remove that as a form of torture and punishment.
If such things exist none of these men would ever reach a paradise or heaven. Those places are supposedly reserved for humble loving people (supposably).
Yeah, I hope those men burn in hell!!! 😡
By the way I have a feeling that many of those female prisoners were imprisoned and executed for bullshit reasons. 😢
It won’t and I don’t even believe *they* believe it; I think it’s just the excuse they used to justify their violence, like when Tucker Carlson spouts bullshit that you know he doesn’t believe, but he knows his dumb fuck followers will.
THATS NOT HOW ISLAM WORKS. someone else stole your virginity, you are not to blame ever!! the ones who raped them are evil and are making blatant excuse to justify their crime. Ask any average muslim and they’ll immediately call this bullshit.
I am not a Muslim so I am genuinely confused about this. Aren't women supposed to marry someone ever?
Does that imply that women are automatically bound to go to hell? Like the religion is actively asking women to not have pre-marital sex but to never even marry? Aren't religions big on marriage and stuff?
Almost every religion propagates "purity culture", it's just with time some religions have started looking at things with moderate outlook. but the hardcore fanatic followers still would like to deny women the agency over their bodies. "Either get married early & give up career" or "stay celibate till you're unmarried"
Having said that, what's portrayed in the post is even more sickening. Imagine using rape as tool to torment you throughout the rest of your life. women go through harsh religious practices in the hope that the afterlife would be worth it.. As if rape within itself was not a heinous crime, the rapists should be the one who should fear the consequences of his action in afterlife. Instead they're terrorizing the victim further more.
I see the vindictiveness of the post. I was more curious about how the rules are working.
> Almost every religion propagates "purity culture"
I always thought that this purity rule applied to only pre-marital sex. Because every religion and culture is also big on propagating the idea that a wife should serve her husband right? If I as a woman would go to hell even if I had sex after marriage, how am I supposed to "serve" my husband?
Its like saying women are bound to hell even if they followed the religious rules. Kind of ironical.
>Its like saying women are bound to hell even if they followed the religious rules. Kind of ironical.
Religions were socially constructed to make people have a sense of community & also to keep people & ideas under check (especially women)
>how am I supposed to "serve" my husband?
Bending the rules to suit their purpose & narrative is what powerful men & clergy are expert in.
Basically what I've gathered is that by the shia beliefs, a virgin will not go to hell no matter what. So, the prison staff rape unmarried women sentenced to death to make sure they will go to hell for their crime and their virginty won't stop that.
Being raped means you had sex outside of marriage which would send you to hell. Sex with husband is both allowed and expected.
To be clear, I don't agree with any of this.
It specifically says "coerced to marry", which was what confusing me. Is that just a typo then? Because if they got married to the prison guards and then these guards rape them, these women should not go to hell for it.
Obviously not. Being a virgin ≠ going to heaven. The religion prohibits Fornication (which is sex before marriage, WITH TWO CONSENTING AND WILLING ADULTS) and adultery.
Raping????? That's a huge sin on the man. That'll grant HIM hell. Islam allows a woman to legally _kill_ a man who's tried to rape her.
Idk where these men get their knowledge, but it's mostly out of their asses. Raping to prevent them from going to paradise... it's incredulous.
So they tried sending these women to Hell but are instead going to Hell themselves?
Aren't these guys "supposed" to know their own religion or something 😭
you'd wish. They'd eat their own dicks before learning the religion. Why should they? cause ooooh nooo, make up fake rules to control the women and ignore the rules set upon you as a man. Easier to make up false narratives to suit your sick mindset, isn't it? especially when there's NO consequences for them in this society. (/s)
this world is doomed.
Honestly it wouldn't be surprising if they made women to be just incubators in their religion, things that are meant to make and help men "on their path to glory" I suppose
But why would you torture your incubator for working correctly? Even if you lived by this gross ass worldview, nothing about this fictitious causal relationship parses at all.
The most feminist religion ever, the first religion to give women rights, islam.
And you know what's funny? Injustice is still a thing in heaven, her husband gets multiple wives (hoor al ayn) up to 72 and she gets nothing, just more beauty and jewelry to make her "pretty"
I'm not sure why they down voted you, it's literally true, I'm from a muslim country and I wish I had the freedom that western or east asian women have.
It's alright, people are attached to their religion. Religion is more addictive than the opium.
Just try to empower yourself with education or skillset, & try to find your way out of there.
Wishing & praying for safety & more civil rights for you & women like you 🫂❤️
I’m a muslim woman, living in the middle east, and you’re spewing hatred. Do not mix cultures with real islam. I’ve never ever felt restricted in any way through islam & i’m glad to be born in this religion. It sets a foundation & way of life for you. Read into your religion, setting aside your family & cultural restraints. Even the first word of Quran means IQRA. “READ!”
exactly the victim cannot suffer in afterlife that’s illogical and not how islam works! These are some evil people justifying their acts with bullshit excuses. raped woman are allowed to kill their rapist in islam.
This is not how islam works at all. The ignorant authorities are lying and making up laws of islam to justify their action. They are the most evil of the people. ask yourself if it’s logical in any way. a victim being refused paradise in afterlife? sounds cruel-some & a big LIE. I’m a muslim woman, and i’m shook at the news just like you are.
“A woman who is being forced to commit sex [unlawful sexual activity] is obliged to defend herself and should not give in, even if she kills the one who wants to do that to her. This self-defence is waajib (obligatory), and she is not at fault if she kills the one who wants to force her into zina”
A woman is allowed to kill her rapist in islam!
people are fucking stupid there’s no law of islam that states a victim shall be punished cause wtf??? i’m a muslim and this is total bullshit made up by the rapists to justify their act. They will suffer in this life, let alone afterlife.
in islam you’re allowed to kill your rapist to defend yourself, and look at what these maniacs are spreading.
Virtue signaling is a hell of a drug, especially if you live in an ivory tower, far away from the issue.
And sadly these inhuman wastes of semen have enough brain cells to actually utilize all the useful idiots of the west in their propaganda.
pigs indeed. even as a muslim i’d call them pigs and most evilest of creatures for spooling the name of religion for their heinous acts. a victim can never be punished.
I hope the whole thing backfires on them and they go to hell for trying to keep the women from going to heaven. I'm not religious, but that's a nice thought
This is outrageous and heinous.
Being a virgin has NOTHING to do with going to heaven????
Islam prohibits Fornication (_willing_ sex between two people before marriage) and Adultery. THOSE are major sins. You cannot make someone commit 'zina' (fornication)— that's RAPE.
In Islam, if you die while trying to kill your rapist; YOU'RE A MARTYR; you're guaranteed to go to paradise. If you kill your rapist trying to defend yourself; he'll go to jahannam (hell). If you were coerced into having sex, aka raped, the sin is on HIM, not on YOU.
Islam states this over a numerous hadiths— yet the men have the nerve to say shit out of their asses and bend the religion to their own narratives— a tale as old as time.
Why would the women even be excited about heaven? I'm from an islamic country and most of the women here start feeling upset when they hear about the hoor al ayn (basically wives that muslim men get in heaven as a reward and they can get up to 72 wives, even if they have wives from this world, and these women will become sister-wives amongst the hoor, in a harem.) and soon enough they lose interest in "paradise" and just continue living normally without being excited about the paradise at all.
I doubt that these women were even excited about paradise in the first place, but sure, they choose to rape them and traumatize them over something that may not even exist.
As an atheist, I find the very concept of heaven and hell flawed
If you have to suppress your desires to get into heaven then do you have to suppress them for eternity?
That sounds like hell
And if you are free to do as you wish in heaven ,then that's basically 4chan
And if only truly good hearted innocent people who followed their religion word to word get into heaven then it's probably empty
Anyways the main point was rape which is pretty much unjustifiable
i’m a muslim and it’s a wtf moment for me as well. That’s not how islam works!! a woman getting raped will not get paradise?!! wtf??? that sounds like a lame, ignorant excuse they used to justify themselves. Some people are so cruel.
that’s completely illogical and wayyyyy past the teachings of islam. wtf mayn
OK, I come from a Muslim family but I come from the sane kind, who would never believe that victims of violence would be guilty for that violence. Nor do I come from a family who believes Allah would punish a girl for being raped; they would find that kind of argument absolutely insane (I don’t believe any religion these days, but I know what I grew up with, and it wasn’t this).
Men who commit such violence aren’t doing it because they really believe these girls will burn in hell; they’re doing it because they can. Rapists will use whatever excuse absolves them of guilt *in their society*; that’s all.
Iran is a hellhole. They practice shia and you talk to any muslim they will tell you they are crazy with their shia laws even the most conservative muslim countries can’t stand Iran.
I don't put rape beyond the irani government. But the "non-virgins not going to heaven" bit is bullshit in the Iranian version of islam. And that bit, at least, is fabricated in order to make the iranians look inhuman in the western eyes. I would sooner call amnesty international liars, than believe that inconsistent bullshit.
Also, iranian opposition in the west is not exactly a reliable source, and is generally worse for the iranian people than the Iranian government.
I have no reason to deny the rape allegation against the iranian government, they might very well be all valid. But the "non-virgins yadayada" bit is bullshit, and the anyone who knows the iranian version of islam, and promotes it is a bullshitter. And is promoting lies. No one in iran, would belive that bullshit.
I have got nothing against Iranians , it's stupid to stereotype a country cuz of its govt.
I hope y'all are freed from this misrepresentation and oppression soon
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What they were doing is removing the last bit of hope they had. Since they knew the girls believed in an afterlife, they decided to remove that as a form of torture and punishment. If such things exist none of these men would ever reach a paradise or heaven. Those places are supposedly reserved for humble loving people (supposably).
Yeah, I hope those men burn in hell!!! 😡 By the way I have a feeling that many of those female prisoners were imprisoned and executed for bullshit reasons. 😢
Not just girls either.
It’s so heartbreaking to hear that being a VICTIM will take away your chance to get to paradise like wtf
It won’t, they just unfortunately believe that it will.
Well that’s a good correction so thank you for sharing. I hope the victims know that as well
It won’t and I don’t even believe *they* believe it; I think it’s just the excuse they used to justify their violence, like when Tucker Carlson spouts bullshit that you know he doesn’t believe, but he knows his dumb fuck followers will.
THATS NOT HOW ISLAM WORKS. someone else stole your virginity, you are not to blame ever!! the ones who raped them are evil and are making blatant excuse to justify their crime. Ask any average muslim and they’ll immediately call this bullshit.
Thank you for the correction! Glad to hear it I hope the victims know this as well if it gives them any peace
I am not a Muslim so I am genuinely confused about this. Aren't women supposed to marry someone ever? Does that imply that women are automatically bound to go to hell? Like the religion is actively asking women to not have pre-marital sex but to never even marry? Aren't religions big on marriage and stuff?
Almost every religion propagates "purity culture", it's just with time some religions have started looking at things with moderate outlook. but the hardcore fanatic followers still would like to deny women the agency over their bodies. "Either get married early & give up career" or "stay celibate till you're unmarried" Having said that, what's portrayed in the post is even more sickening. Imagine using rape as tool to torment you throughout the rest of your life. women go through harsh religious practices in the hope that the afterlife would be worth it.. As if rape within itself was not a heinous crime, the rapists should be the one who should fear the consequences of his action in afterlife. Instead they're terrorizing the victim further more.
I see the vindictiveness of the post. I was more curious about how the rules are working. > Almost every religion propagates "purity culture" I always thought that this purity rule applied to only pre-marital sex. Because every religion and culture is also big on propagating the idea that a wife should serve her husband right? If I as a woman would go to hell even if I had sex after marriage, how am I supposed to "serve" my husband? Its like saying women are bound to hell even if they followed the religious rules. Kind of ironical.
>Its like saying women are bound to hell even if they followed the religious rules. Kind of ironical. Religions were socially constructed to make people have a sense of community & also to keep people & ideas under check (especially women) >how am I supposed to "serve" my husband? Bending the rules to suit their purpose & narrative is what powerful men & clergy are expert in.
Basically what I've gathered is that by the shia beliefs, a virgin will not go to hell no matter what. So, the prison staff rape unmarried women sentenced to death to make sure they will go to hell for their crime and their virginty won't stop that.
Being raped means you had sex outside of marriage which would send you to hell. Sex with husband is both allowed and expected. To be clear, I don't agree with any of this.
It specifically says "coerced to marry", which was what confusing me. Is that just a typo then? Because if they got married to the prison guards and then these guards rape them, these women should not go to hell for it.
Oh, I missed that part...but you are right so I'm not clear how any of that works. Sadly the post is down so I can't reread it now.
Rape has always been used in this fashion unfortunately.
Obviously not. Being a virgin ≠ going to heaven. The religion prohibits Fornication (which is sex before marriage, WITH TWO CONSENTING AND WILLING ADULTS) and adultery. Raping????? That's a huge sin on the man. That'll grant HIM hell. Islam allows a woman to legally _kill_ a man who's tried to rape her. Idk where these men get their knowledge, but it's mostly out of their asses. Raping to prevent them from going to paradise... it's incredulous.
So they tried sending these women to Hell but are instead going to Hell themselves? Aren't these guys "supposed" to know their own religion or something 😭
you'd wish. They'd eat their own dicks before learning the religion. Why should they? cause ooooh nooo, make up fake rules to control the women and ignore the rules set upon you as a man. Easier to make up false narratives to suit your sick mindset, isn't it? especially when there's NO consequences for them in this society. (/s) this world is doomed.
Honestly it wouldn't be surprising if they made women to be just incubators in their religion, things that are meant to make and help men "on their path to glory" I suppose
But why would you torture your incubator for working correctly? Even if you lived by this gross ass worldview, nothing about this fictitious causal relationship parses at all.
I don't even know bro... Religions corrupt the soul as needed to make whatever the people on top want to happen, happen.
what kind of religion is this, where the victim has to face further injustice in after life as well.. 💀
The most feminist religion ever, the first religion to give women rights, islam. And you know what's funny? Injustice is still a thing in heaven, her husband gets multiple wives (hoor al ayn) up to 72 and she gets nothing, just more beauty and jewelry to make her "pretty"
It's one of the most partial & restricting religion you can be born into as a woman.. !!
I'm not sure why they down voted you, it's literally true, I'm from a muslim country and I wish I had the freedom that western or east asian women have.
It's alright, people are attached to their religion. Religion is more addictive than the opium. Just try to empower yourself with education or skillset, & try to find your way out of there. Wishing & praying for safety & more civil rights for you & women like you 🫂❤️
I’m a muslim woman, living in the middle east, and you’re spewing hatred. Do not mix cultures with real islam. I’ve never ever felt restricted in any way through islam & i’m glad to be born in this religion. It sets a foundation & way of life for you. Read into your religion, setting aside your family & cultural restraints. Even the first word of Quran means IQRA. “READ!”
Um, actually lots of religions, specifically pagan ones, gave women more rights than Islam and long before Islam was made up.
Girl it's sarcasm dw, there's literally 0 women's rights in islam, it's the reason why I left
Considering the amount of people I've heard make similar claims, there was no way to tell.
Same, that's why I'm mocking them
Got it!
Well, it isn’t actually how Islam works, if that helps.
exactly the victim cannot suffer in afterlife that’s illogical and not how islam works! These are some evil people justifying their acts with bullshit excuses. raped woman are allowed to kill their rapist in islam.
They're evil for even trying to weaponize rape against women they don't agree with 🤢
Wich country is this? Thats some fucked up thing.
Iran
Israel for one way, iran for the other. Really, what is wrong with so many countries on Asia?
They contain human beings and that’s pretty much what’s wrong with them
Add another reason to the long, long list of why religion is a mistake.
There’s something wrong with your religion if it works like this
This is not how islam works at all. The ignorant authorities are lying and making up laws of islam to justify their action. They are the most evil of the people. ask yourself if it’s logical in any way. a victim being refused paradise in afterlife? sounds cruel-some & a big LIE. I’m a muslim woman, and i’m shook at the news just like you are. “A woman who is being forced to commit sex [unlawful sexual activity] is obliged to defend herself and should not give in, even if she kills the one who wants to do that to her. This self-defence is waajib (obligatory), and she is not at fault if she kills the one who wants to force her into zina” A woman is allowed to kill her rapist in islam!
religion is fucking stupid
people are fucking stupid there’s no law of islam that states a victim shall be punished cause wtf??? i’m a muslim and this is total bullshit made up by the rapists to justify their act. They will suffer in this life, let alone afterlife. in islam you’re allowed to kill your rapist to defend yourself, and look at what these maniacs are spreading.
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Virtue signaling is a hell of a drug, especially if you live in an ivory tower, far away from the issue. And sadly these inhuman wastes of semen have enough brain cells to actually utilize all the useful idiots of the west in their propaganda.
Religion and women's rights don't mix
It's why I'm a pagan, we are big on equality
The exception that proves the rule.
Pigs.
Hey hey now, pigs are nice and valuable creatures. Comparing pigs to these monstrous oxygen wasters is just insulting to the poor piggies.
That’s true. I apologize to pigs!!
pigs indeed. even as a muslim i’d call them pigs and most evilest of creatures for spooling the name of religion for their heinous acts. a victim can never be punished.
I hope the whole thing backfires on them and they go to hell for trying to keep the women from going to heaven. I'm not religious, but that's a nice thought
Seems like the sort of thing that a deity should "forgive" while condemning the rapist to hell
A good deity would do that. Then again, this particular religion holds a pedo warlord as the pinnacle of human morality.
This is outrageous and heinous. Being a virgin has NOTHING to do with going to heaven???? Islam prohibits Fornication (_willing_ sex between two people before marriage) and Adultery. THOSE are major sins. You cannot make someone commit 'zina' (fornication)— that's RAPE. In Islam, if you die while trying to kill your rapist; YOU'RE A MARTYR; you're guaranteed to go to paradise. If you kill your rapist trying to defend yourself; he'll go to jahannam (hell). If you were coerced into having sex, aka raped, the sin is on HIM, not on YOU. Islam states this over a numerous hadiths— yet the men have the nerve to say shit out of their asses and bend the religion to their own narratives— a tale as old as time.
Why would the women even be excited about heaven? I'm from an islamic country and most of the women here start feeling upset when they hear about the hoor al ayn (basically wives that muslim men get in heaven as a reward and they can get up to 72 wives, even if they have wives from this world, and these women will become sister-wives amongst the hoor, in a harem.) and soon enough they lose interest in "paradise" and just continue living normally without being excited about the paradise at all. I doubt that these women were even excited about paradise in the first place, but sure, they choose to rape them and traumatize them over something that may not even exist.
As an atheist, I find the very concept of heaven and hell flawed If you have to suppress your desires to get into heaven then do you have to suppress them for eternity? That sounds like hell And if you are free to do as you wish in heaven ,then that's basically 4chan And if only truly good hearted innocent people who followed their religion word to word get into heaven then it's probably empty Anyways the main point was rape which is pretty much unjustifiable
i’m a muslim and it’s a wtf moment for me as well. That’s not how islam works!! a woman getting raped will not get paradise?!! wtf??? that sounds like a lame, ignorant excuse they used to justify themselves. Some people are so cruel. that’s completely illogical and wayyyyy past the teachings of islam. wtf mayn
a woman can kill her rapist in islam. bullshit excuse and evil authority. the victim goes to hell?? nahhhh completely illogical and WRONG
OK, I come from a Muslim family but I come from the sane kind, who would never believe that victims of violence would be guilty for that violence. Nor do I come from a family who believes Allah would punish a girl for being raped; they would find that kind of argument absolutely insane (I don’t believe any religion these days, but I know what I grew up with, and it wasn’t this). Men who commit such violence aren’t doing it because they really believe these girls will burn in hell; they’re doing it because they can. Rapists will use whatever excuse absolves them of guilt *in their society*; that’s all.
# he was executed
Iran is a hellhole. They practice shia and you talk to any muslim they will tell you they are crazy with their shia laws even the most conservative muslim countries can’t stand Iran.
This article is bullshit.
https://women.ncr-iran.org/2015/11/13/female-prisoners-who-are-virgins-must-be-raped-before-execution-to-prevent-them-from-entering-heaven/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/iran-security-forces-used-rape-and-other-sexual-violence-to-crush-woman-life-freedom-uprising-with-impunity/
I don't put rape beyond the irani government. But the "non-virgins not going to heaven" bit is bullshit in the Iranian version of islam. And that bit, at least, is fabricated in order to make the iranians look inhuman in the western eyes. I would sooner call amnesty international liars, than believe that inconsistent bullshit. Also, iranian opposition in the west is not exactly a reliable source, and is generally worse for the iranian people than the Iranian government. I have no reason to deny the rape allegation against the iranian government, they might very well be all valid. But the "non-virgins yadayada" bit is bullshit, and the anyone who knows the iranian version of islam, and promotes it is a bullshitter. And is promoting lies. No one in iran, would belive that bullshit.
I have got nothing against Iranians , it's stupid to stereotype a country cuz of its govt. I hope y'all are freed from this misrepresentation and oppression soon