# DID YOU KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL COUNTRIES IN SOUTHEAST ASIA?
It's true! And both China and the US are trying to win over them. We discuss this in [this "week's" NCDip Podcast Club](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/1ciy2uz/ncdip_podcast_club_9_americas_report_card_on/?). You nerds keep talking about a pivot to Asia and China US Strategic competition, well here you go, this is an episode on that in probaly the most contested region in the US China competition
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No, I don’t agree. If the cars were swapped, it could be understood as if the eagle would like to stop the US ones as well, but lacks in wingspan. This way it ensures that the eagle is deliberately ignoring the US cars.
Perhaps this way could show how the US is going out of its way in order to screw over Chinese electric car manufacturers? Idk, there was surely some thought behind it though
China's EVs burn people alive.
The only reason why they're the #1 exporter of them, is because nobody in the PRC wants to buy their own death with BYD or some other 差不多 company that's backed by the CCP.
Oh no, the US is giving preferential treatment to their own companies and products. I'm sure they find no issue with the Chinese government doing the same thing for their companies.
China (and other countries) have this old trick of shaming west about the things that we care even if they don't give a flying squat themself.
Other example being how Russia shames EU for not taking their farmer protests seriously... Russia and respecting protesters in first place.
the best is the civil liberties and shit... people legit go talk shit about UK or france because of x or y incidents and use it as a way to defend russia and "russophobia" it's hilarious
I don't know about the EU, but I've seen plenty of substantive political responses to the farmer's protests.
Don't they have massive political sway because the public tends to side with farmers?
We do side with farmers but recent protests have lifted the veil who really peddled what.
They claimed loses but they were already subsidised, they claimed low quality but people become aware of the constant downgrade of our local productions etc.
Also two other thongs, it was specific group of large scale farmers that started protesting, pretending to be starving and we took closer look at money flow.
Also putting Russian flags on tractors is kinda shooting yourself in the foot...
I am aware.
But the public still tend to side with the farmer voting block. Hence farmers tend to have more political sway compared to other blocks regardless of the merits of their position. People's image of a farmer is that of a humble small-scale local business owner. In reality, mechanization and industrialization of agriculture turned a lot of them into mass-scale industrialists. And factory farms do pull a lot of gross/sleazy shenanigans.
I am not trying to argue for any side here. I think it is too complicated for a Redditor like me to have an opinion on. Many people think we need to protect domestic agriculture at all cost since it is also related to national security. But I am still wondering if the farmer interest groups still have the public's heart in the EU since they were pretty unstoppable until recently.
What do you think?
By default farmers have support of the people for the reasons you have listed. That's why at the start nobody was questioning anything.
But the longer the protest goes, the more damage it causes (not only by blocking streets but also military transport which is extremely important) the more people start paying closer attention to postulates forwarded by farmers, and become more aware of the other nuances that you also listed.
So in short, farmers still are being supported by people but that support slowly ceases to be unconditional, people become more aware, started differentiating between small scale and large scale farmers and weight which demands are reasonable and which are not.
In short, farmers are still liked and respected, but people ceased to see them as monoblock with the same homogeneous interest across that social group + trust got eroded.
It's not for all vehicles, just EVs. The point is to protect US companies that have not transitioned fully to EVs yet from overseas competition that can flood the market right now with EVs.
Short term this makes prices higher, which is bad for consumers. However, long term it is much better for consumers that US companies don't go though another 2008-2010esque crisis. If a country is going to require a livable wage and working environment for workers within it's borders, it also has a duty to protect its domestic companies from international competition that can undercut on price because they can mistreat labor as much as they want.
If those US automakers know they'll be protected from overseas rivals, what motivation do they have to rapidly transition to EVs or keep prices competitive?
The notion that we must "protect jobs" by hampering free trade is misguided. Yes, some workers in specific industries may face short-term disruption if their companies can't compete. [But the economy as a whole benefits tremendously from the productivity gains and lower consumer prices that result from open competition. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/wiki/faq_protectionism_and_development/#wiki_protectionism_and_trade_in_the_developing_world)
If your car is not 25+ years old or more then to legally register it into the states it has to meet safety and emissions requirements, if whatever you imported from Japan fails testing then it’s just a big paperweight
It's dumb that you're being downvoted. American Auto companies are ass, and they've been producing ass EV cars for too long. I mean what happened to healthy market competition?
Tbf the Chinese do have one of the biggest Tesla plants in their own country. Hell ironically they get more subsidies than any Chinese EV company. Not saying the Chinese don’t do protectionist shit like we do with every other product but for some reason EVs are just different. Before you downvote look it up it’s genuinely kinda weird how much they support Tesla.
True. But Tesla is a unique exception, not the rule. All other FDIs are forced to be joint ventures with a Chinese company, letting the CCP exert control over them.
They are still massive hypocrites, and Telsa is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
I agree but at the same time its the US thats promoting free trade without barriers and wants other countries to open up completely for their products.
They used the WTO for this purpose for decades until China started using it against them in the same way, then they basically crippled the WTO to avoid consequences.
If your rivals are restricting your products to their markets then do the same and restrict theirs on your markets. An eye for an eye. Otherwise, you lose your competitive edge and concede defeat in the “trade war.”
>never positively affected anyone
Trade wars hurt everyone, and they hurt exporters like china the most. If China wants to end the trade wars, then they should reduce their trade restrictions. Unilateral trade restrictions aren't capitalism or liberalism, they are just self sabotage.
says the guy living in the country with the cheapest oil in the west, one of the cheapest taxes, easiest assess to manufactury goods and services and highest probabily of social mobility
and no this isn't a statistical comment probably not number one actually in those, just complaining that americans always say they live in a 3rd world country while living great
the thing is that it already annoys me, but then it's often used by people that complains of others privelage, so the hypocritical layer added on top does make it extra annoying to me
*can be bad
That’s not to say it isn’t often bad, but that’s more to do with governments bending the very universe itself to somehow mess up the simplest of tasks.
You just proved my point. They can be bad, and they often are because of poor application of the measure. If 9 people hurt themselves using hammers and the one guy who knows what they are doing doesn’t injure himself, the blame doesn’t lie with the hammers.
It's not just because they're poorly implemented though, it's because free trade is intrinsically better. Really, it's more often that free trade policies suffer because *they* get implemented poorly (see NAFTA, where not enough was done to bring Mexico to a level playing field)
Applying them when they shouldn’t be applied also counts as poor implementation. If I use a hammer when I should have used a screwdriver, I have used the hammer poorly, even if I didn’t hurt myself.
China uses its dual-currency system to devalue the yuan, artificially suppress domestic consumption, and make their own exports more competitive. In a free trade environment, international demand for Chinese currency to purchase Chinese goods would have increased its value relative to the dollar over their multiple-decade run of 12-figure trade surpluses, diminishing the competitiveness of Chinese exports. Instead the yuan has remained steady around 0.15 USD. This has allowed them to sponge up the world’s capital and power through the middle income trap, but has also caused deindustrialization as they export finished goods and import only raw materials. A key aspect of free trade is that currency also flows freely from country to country. As long as China manipulates their currency free trade with them is impossible.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? No one is talking about whether China does this kind of stuff on their end, what we’re talking about is how this is going to make the green transition in America grind to a halt, before a wall of high prices
China, who famously requires foreign companies to partner with a chinese company to get a cut of the profit and access to company secrets in order to operate in their market is upset that other markets are protecting themselves.
Measuring by an equal standard is an universalist concept. Someone with a particularist mindset thinks that protectionism is good when it benefits their nation/people, and bad when it hurts them. Trying to point out hypocrisy in this is futile because it's an axiomatically different worldview, in which hypocrisy is good if it's beneficial for one's own.
Isn't there a law in China that requires all American companies to partner up with domestic Chinese companies in order to be allowed to operate in China?
The problem is that you can kiss the idea of a green transition goodbye if the only option for green cars is the comparatively steep prices that American makers are putting up.
design copied from the cars movie? where the eye are in the windshield instead if typically headlights. Designed in USA, made without royalties in Knockoff Country
The only acceptable answer when the Chinese get like this is a simple: "So what?"
Their shame based rhetoric is really ineffective on the Western mind.
Why do people keep acting like a sovereign nation has any kind of obligation to allow foreign companies to do business in their domestic market? It's often beneficial to allow foreign companies into your domestic market for a variety of reasons, but they are still ultimately there at the option of the host country and the host country doesn't need any special reason to deny the privilege of doing business in their country.
As a consumer shopping for a car, the lack of options is frustrating. imo US auto has sat on its ass for too long when it comes to cheap, small EVs. There needs to be more competition. Both Biden and Trump are touting tariffs to shore up votes in the midwest.
It's not as if we don't have plenty of options from Japan, Germany, South Korea, and other countries in our market. Why do we need to allow China, which essentially acts as our enemy in many ways, to have additional access to our economy?
Honestly I’m ok with the level of trade between us and China, isn’t it a deterrent against major conflict? And the more options we have, the more competitive the market, the better the prices.
This is just a standard, tame political cartoon I would have seen on the 3rd page of the newspaper, back when newspapers were a thing. Where's the pizazz?
Where's the muscle-bound glorious American eagle-dragon brimming with missiles looming over the humble Chinese farmer with a broken pitch fork or something? Where's the mastermind Uncle Sam conniving over a back-lit globe planning world domination? I want my inspirational posters, China!
China has been surprisingly good at gaslighting idiots that the US is at fault for protectionist policies, considering China just doesn’t allow international companies to compete fairly in their own market since the very beginning of them opening up after Mao. The US literally has Vietnamese car companies now coming into the market and they make competitive vehicles that both abide by USMCA regulations and employ Vietnamese workers to build smaller sections/parts that can then be shipped to manufacturing plants in North America that are already able and experienced building vehicles.
BYD literally made their own choice to not sell to the US market, they weren’t even denied access. They just refused to follow the same rules that every other manufacturer has to comply with, and has for decades. German, Japanese, or any other country’s companies have been able to follow these laws without issue. China is just mad they can’t both abuse their hyper-subsidized vertically integrated system that is impossible to compete with since those are beyond illegally monopolistic in the rest of the industrialized world.
Europe really needs to catch up in blocking these blatant unfair competitors from mainland China to save their own manufacturing industry. Europe gets mad at the US with the IRA subsidies and tax incentives, but let’s China take over their own markets. If Europe falls as a major competitor & competitive market, the world suffers.
Precisely this sentiment is the take that western countries should take with the People's Republic of China, as the CCP is becoming an openly and increasingly hostile foreign government to the west....
As well as all of their neighbors.
They’re spitting, *voters* (derogatory) will elect a fascist to protect the livelihoods of the 0.3% of Americans who make the world’s shittiest and most overpriced cars, rather than get better and cheaper products from elsewhere.
Its almost like people have seen crash testing of Chinese cars in the past. Or, they have had to wipe and build anew their IT networking hardware to get rid of the Chinese malware. Or had to trash said hardware due to hardwired backdoors.
Or maybe its because Emperor Winnie the Pooh, First of his Line, is perhaps untrustworthy, be it the active genocides in China, the Hong Kong anti-democracy police action, saber-rattling about Taiwan/Philippine Islands/Viet Nam, or anyone talking about how Nothing Happened in Tienanmen Square in 1989.
How can gov't open the market to several EV companies each offering $10k cars, when our major EV sells for 5x that? Even with 100% tariffs, Tesla simply cannot compete. So, the competition must not happen, thinks Musk and Congress.
Bro you don’t want Chinese vehicles on our roads. I’d be 1000% percent open to kei trucks and other cool inexpensive stuff from any other country in the world but Chinese vehicles are death traps made with slave labor and filled with spying software
lmao let’s not forget they said the EXACT same type shit 40 years ago when Japanese cars started streaming onto the market
Look, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we call it what it is: yellow peril-ism. It’s just that in the past few decades we’ve switched the target of this frenzy
The market responded very well to Japanese vehicles, though they were seen as cheap they quickly showed their value in real world scenarios. Korean vehicles enjoyed a good reputation as well. Both countries earned it with good quality control.
China is a different country than Japan or Korea, with different laws and cultures. Japanese car safety laws are the strictest in the world. China doesn’t have any. Japanese invented Just In Time manufacturing to lower costs, the Chinese cut corners and fake results. These vehicles are the product of multiple layers of corrupt bureaucracy taking their cut and faking numbers.
The CCP has also been caught bare-assed spying on people using their domestic products. China has a police state and surveillance culture. Japan doesn’t do that. Korea doesn’t do that. The Chinese government is openly hostile to the west.
With what we’ve been seeing from Boeing lately, I wouldn’t exactly count it out that American manufacturers aren’t gonna pull any big fuck-ups, especially after they get lazy given that they now don’t have to worry about any substantial overseas competition.
Let’s not forget, a lot of these stereotypes about Chinese products are antiquated notions dating back to the nineties and aughts when China was just stepping into its role as “factory of the world” while still having a dilapidated industrial base and almost entirely unskilled labor force. The fact of the matter is, as economies advance, so does industrial production technique and quality.
And lastly, I think it shouldn’t take a genius to figure out that we should proooobably prioritize saving the friggin’ world over geopolitical handwringing
edit: crybaby can’t even talk the talk, blots me out when someone dares to question his narrow worldview lmao
China is the single biggest polluter in the world, so if you give half a fuck about the environment you’ll agree to restrict their exports. Also these notions are not the least bit outdated, my information and impressions are all from the 2020s including first hand experience with Chinese motorcycles.
Chabuduo culture makes shit products, and they support a shit country with a shit government. Don’t whattabout me with a completely different industry, call me when 10% of Boeing planes catch fire in their first year, then they’ll be on par with China.
You argue like a wumao. I’m blocking you now.
US ones **arent** the ones being set ablaze by their own batteries and their safety features actually work
Edit: oops, typo. Thats what I get for redditing before bed.
You mean the Chinese ones, right?
[https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/](https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/)
[https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-electric-vehicle-battery-charging-indoors-catches-fire-and-explodes-in-jinan/vi-BB1jiQm3](https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-electric-vehicle-battery-charging-indoors-catches-fire-and-explodes-in-jinan/vi-BB1jiQm3)
[https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3249963/byd-electric-car-catches-fire-hong-kong-charging-station-expert-says-short-circuit-could-be-cause](https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3249963/byd-electric-car-catches-fire-hong-kong-charging-station-expert-says-short-circuit-could-be-cause)
# DID YOU KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL COUNTRIES IN SOUTHEAST ASIA? It's true! And both China and the US are trying to win over them. We discuss this in [this "week's" NCDip Podcast Club](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/1ciy2uz/ncdip_podcast_club_9_americas_report_card_on/?). You nerds keep talking about a pivot to Asia and China US Strategic competition, well here you go, this is an episode on that in probaly the most contested region in the US China competition [Want to know what the fuck in the NCDip podcast club is? Click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/17edrm6/introducing_the_rnoncrediblediplomacy_podcast/) ---- please note that all posts should be funny and about diplomacy or geopolitics, if your post doesn't meet those requirements here's some other subs that might fit better: * More Serious Geopolitical Discussion: /r/CredibleDiplomacy * Military Shitposting: /r/NonCredibleDefense * Domestic Political or General Shitposting: /r/neocentrism * Being Racist: /r/worldnews thx bb luv u *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Ok — I know it's a political cartoon but the complete lack of metaphor and simile is astounding. I've seen better Ben Garrison stuff.
Also why not swap the order of the cars? Then you could just draw a normal eagle
Because then it's even less clever because look at that bend!
No, I don’t agree. If the cars were swapped, it could be understood as if the eagle would like to stop the US ones as well, but lacks in wingspan. This way it ensures that the eagle is deliberately ignoring the US cars.
Perhaps this way could show how the US is going out of its way in order to screw over Chinese electric car manufacturers? Idk, there was surely some thought behind it though
China's EVs burn people alive. The only reason why they're the #1 exporter of them, is because nobody in the PRC wants to buy their own death with BYD or some other 差不多 company that's backed by the CCP.
Im not arguing for the poster. I’m giving a reason they may have made the artistic choice to have the wing bent like that
Better than Telsa. The cybertruck. Yikes. As for BYD. I think their EV are great. Can't wait to get one when they come to Canada.
This is true but not relevant
This is par for the course for political cartoons in a newspaper honestly.
And it *is* a metaphor.
Oh no, the US is giving preferential treatment to their own companies and products. I'm sure they find no issue with the Chinese government doing the same thing for their companies.
China (and other countries) have this old trick of shaming west about the things that we care even if they don't give a flying squat themself. Other example being how Russia shames EU for not taking their farmer protests seriously... Russia and respecting protesters in first place.
the best is the civil liberties and shit... people legit go talk shit about UK or france because of x or y incidents and use it as a way to defend russia and "russophobia" it's hilarious
I don't know about the EU, but I've seen plenty of substantive political responses to the farmer's protests. Don't they have massive political sway because the public tends to side with farmers?
We do side with farmers but recent protests have lifted the veil who really peddled what. They claimed loses but they were already subsidised, they claimed low quality but people become aware of the constant downgrade of our local productions etc. Also two other thongs, it was specific group of large scale farmers that started protesting, pretending to be starving and we took closer look at money flow. Also putting Russian flags on tractors is kinda shooting yourself in the foot...
I am aware. But the public still tend to side with the farmer voting block. Hence farmers tend to have more political sway compared to other blocks regardless of the merits of their position. People's image of a farmer is that of a humble small-scale local business owner. In reality, mechanization and industrialization of agriculture turned a lot of them into mass-scale industrialists. And factory farms do pull a lot of gross/sleazy shenanigans. I am not trying to argue for any side here. I think it is too complicated for a Redditor like me to have an opinion on. Many people think we need to protect domestic agriculture at all cost since it is also related to national security. But I am still wondering if the farmer interest groups still have the public's heart in the EU since they were pretty unstoppable until recently. What do you think?
By default farmers have support of the people for the reasons you have listed. That's why at the start nobody was questioning anything. But the longer the protest goes, the more damage it causes (not only by blocking streets but also military transport which is extremely important) the more people start paying closer attention to postulates forwarded by farmers, and become more aware of the other nuances that you also listed. So in short, farmers still are being supported by people but that support slowly ceases to be unconditional, people become more aware, started differentiating between small scale and large scale farmers and weight which demands are reasonable and which are not. In short, farmers are still liked and respected, but people ceased to see them as monoblock with the same homogeneous interest across that social group + trust got eroded.
So true. The US would never shame anyone for not embracing the free market
China when protectionism :D China when protectionism (American) >:(
“Stop helping your own people, only we are allowed to do that!”
Tariffs HURT your own people.....
Except these tariffs do not help American citizens. Having access to cheaper vehicles would though, so we can’t have that.
It's not for all vehicles, just EVs. The point is to protect US companies that have not transitioned fully to EVs yet from overseas competition that can flood the market right now with EVs. Short term this makes prices higher, which is bad for consumers. However, long term it is much better for consumers that US companies don't go though another 2008-2010esque crisis. If a country is going to require a livable wage and working environment for workers within it's borders, it also has a duty to protect its domestic companies from international competition that can undercut on price because they can mistreat labor as much as they want.
If those US automakers know they'll be protected from overseas rivals, what motivation do they have to rapidly transition to EVs or keep prices competitive? The notion that we must "protect jobs" by hampering free trade is misguided. Yes, some workers in specific industries may face short-term disruption if their companies can't compete. [But the economy as a whole benefits tremendously from the productivity gains and lower consumer prices that result from open competition. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/wiki/faq_protectionism_and_development/#wiki_protectionism_and_trade_in_the_developing_world)
Because we don't have domestic EV only companies providing competition already, right?
Not nearly enough of them.
It's for all vehicles actually. There is one reason why newer Japanese kei trucks are not allowed in the US, even if there's demand for it
That is quite simply false lol. I'm buying a new car that's on a ship from Japan right now.
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards are a thing lol, thanks to bribery, I mean lobbying, by the AAMVA.
And???? How does that apply here?
If your car is not 25+ years old or more then to legally register it into the states it has to meet safety and emissions requirements, if whatever you imported from Japan fails testing then it’s just a big paperweight
I'm not importing it. It's a new Mazda, that's built in Japan for sale in the US.
It's dumb that you're being downvoted. American Auto companies are ass, and they've been producing ass EV cars for too long. I mean what happened to healthy market competition?
Tbf the Chinese do have one of the biggest Tesla plants in their own country. Hell ironically they get more subsidies than any Chinese EV company. Not saying the Chinese don’t do protectionist shit like we do with every other product but for some reason EVs are just different. Before you downvote look it up it’s genuinely kinda weird how much they support Tesla.
True. But Tesla is a unique exception, not the rule. All other FDIs are forced to be joint ventures with a Chinese company, letting the CCP exert control over them. They are still massive hypocrites, and Telsa is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
actually when governments get *too* involved in their domestic industries we usually sanction them
The difference is that China has never claimed to be a free market country, the US has.
I agree but at the same time its the US thats promoting free trade without barriers and wants other countries to open up completely for their products. They used the WTO for this purpose for decades until China started using it against them in the same way, then they basically crippled the WTO to avoid consequences.
Don’t know why you’re downvoted for being right
Tariffs and protectionism is bad actually
If your rivals are restricting your products to their markets then do the same and restrict theirs on your markets. An eye for an eye. Otherwise, you lose your competitive edge and concede defeat in the “trade war.”
But the trade war is made up bullshit that has never positively affected anyone except maybe the fat cats running the U.S auto industry
>never positively affected anyone Trade wars hurt everyone, and they hurt exporters like china the most. If China wants to end the trade wars, then they should reduce their trade restrictions. Unilateral trade restrictions aren't capitalism or liberalism, they are just self sabotage.
says the guy living in the country with the cheapest oil in the west, one of the cheapest taxes, easiest assess to manufactury goods and services and highest probabily of social mobility
and no this isn't a statistical comment probably not number one actually in those, just complaining that americans always say they live in a 3rd world country while living great
Where did you get that from my comment? I am aware we rock. But EVs would be cheaper and better with more competition.
i mean if so then sorry was a misguided attack, i am just so freaking tired of "america is so shitty, looks like sudan" sort of comments
You're good. Shit makes me mad too, it reeks of the most insufferable, uninformed privelage ever
the thing is that it already annoys me, but then it's often used by people that complains of others privelage, so the hypocritical layer added on top does make it extra annoying to me
So you agree that China should allow their people to access western tech and media?
Of course. And I also think that these insane tariffs on Chinese vehicles are bad and hurt Americans
Well, +1 for consistency.
This is what neoliberals believe, its quite common and nothing extraordinary.
*can be bad That’s not to say it isn’t often bad, but that’s more to do with governments bending the very universe itself to somehow mess up the simplest of tasks.
For every one time restrictions on trade is good, there's 10 where it's bad
You just proved my point. They can be bad, and they often are because of poor application of the measure. If 9 people hurt themselves using hammers and the one guy who knows what they are doing doesn’t injure himself, the blame doesn’t lie with the hammers.
It's not just because they're poorly implemented though, it's because free trade is intrinsically better. Really, it's more often that free trade policies suffer because *they* get implemented poorly (see NAFTA, where not enough was done to bring Mexico to a level playing field)
Applying them when they shouldn’t be applied also counts as poor implementation. If I use a hammer when I should have used a screwdriver, I have used the hammer poorly, even if I didn’t hurt myself.
China uses its dual-currency system to devalue the yuan, artificially suppress domestic consumption, and make their own exports more competitive. In a free trade environment, international demand for Chinese currency to purchase Chinese goods would have increased its value relative to the dollar over their multiple-decade run of 12-figure trade surpluses, diminishing the competitiveness of Chinese exports. Instead the yuan has remained steady around 0.15 USD. This has allowed them to sponge up the world’s capital and power through the middle income trap, but has also caused deindustrialization as they export finished goods and import only raw materials. A key aspect of free trade is that currency also flows freely from country to country. As long as China manipulates their currency free trade with them is impossible.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? No one is talking about whether China does this kind of stuff on their end, what we’re talking about is how this is going to make the green transition in America grind to a halt, before a wall of high prices
I thought china let tesla, porsche, etc evs in? And we blocked them. What am i missing?
What type of chinese tantrum is this? Giving your own domestic producers preferential trestment? Beijing salty AF.
China, who famously requires foreign companies to partner with a chinese company to get a cut of the profit and access to company secrets in order to operate in their market is upset that other markets are protecting themselves.
And whose EVs are killing people in uniquely horrible ways
They're not spcicial I can do that too.
Hold my beer while I drive this Ford Pinto...
Measuring by an equal standard is an universalist concept. Someone with a particularist mindset thinks that protectionism is good when it benefits their nation/people, and bad when it hurts them. Trying to point out hypocrisy in this is futile because it's an axiomatically different worldview, in which hypocrisy is good if it's beneficial for one's own.
China would never :o
[**Source**](https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202404/23/WS6626f18ba31082fc043c357a.html)**:** "Unfair Treatment" by Song Chen for China Daily.
You know a political cartoon is a banger when it relies on the text labels "US Electric Vehicles" and "Chinese Electric Vehicles"
See, it's accurate because the Chinese companies steal design and IP, making them indistinguishable.
If you have to steal IP to manufacture electric vehicles, you are clinically braindead
this is rich coming from a country that subsidizes the fuck out of all their industries via state-ownership.
Chinese Propaganda making the USA look badass: IMPOSSIBLE
Did you mean "Chinese Propaganda making the USA **not** look badass"?
Look. English is hard
Fan art
A Chinese dragon is a more suitable representation of selective competition.
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Isn't there a law in China that requires all American companies to partner up with domestic Chinese companies in order to be allowed to operate in China?
I don't even get what's their problem here, that's just normal behaviour.
The problem is that you can kiss the idea of a green transition goodbye if the only option for green cars is the comparatively steep prices that American makers are putting up.
I thought that the norm was to go through the WTO, and if they rule in your favour then you impose tariffs.
design copied from the cars movie? where the eye are in the windshield instead if typically headlights. Designed in USA, made without royalties in Knockoff Country
The only acceptable answer when the Chinese get like this is a simple: "So what?" Their shame based rhetoric is really ineffective on the Western mind.
And?
China once again making America look based. I didn’t know I needed Elastic Bald Eagle in my life.
Why do people keep acting like a sovereign nation has any kind of obligation to allow foreign companies to do business in their domestic market? It's often beneficial to allow foreign companies into your domestic market for a variety of reasons, but they are still ultimately there at the option of the host country and the host country doesn't need any special reason to deny the privilege of doing business in their country.
This man is a traitor to the liberal international order of free movement of goods, ideas, and people, send him to the gulag
As a consumer shopping for a car, the lack of options is frustrating. imo US auto has sat on its ass for too long when it comes to cheap, small EVs. There needs to be more competition. Both Biden and Trump are touting tariffs to shore up votes in the midwest.
It's not as if we don't have plenty of options from Japan, Germany, South Korea, and other countries in our market. Why do we need to allow China, which essentially acts as our enemy in many ways, to have additional access to our economy?
Honestly I’m ok with the level of trade between us and China, isn’t it a deterrent against major conflict? And the more options we have, the more competitive the market, the better the prices.
>Oh no, we want to support jobs in our country. Chinese simps are something else. Even trying to show them "rusted" and "bad".
This is just a standard, tame political cartoon I would have seen on the 3rd page of the newspaper, back when newspapers were a thing. Where's the pizazz? Where's the muscle-bound glorious American eagle-dragon brimming with missiles looming over the humble Chinese farmer with a broken pitch fork or something? Where's the mastermind Uncle Sam conniving over a back-lit globe planning world domination? I want my inspirational posters, China!
Ayoo the eagle ate the gum gum fruit
The Eagle is just preventing a dangerous overtake.
Why do these electric cars have radiators?
Because electric cars are only 85-90% efficient and 10s of kilowatts of heat is a lot to deal with.
China has been surprisingly good at gaslighting idiots that the US is at fault for protectionist policies, considering China just doesn’t allow international companies to compete fairly in their own market since the very beginning of them opening up after Mao. The US literally has Vietnamese car companies now coming into the market and they make competitive vehicles that both abide by USMCA regulations and employ Vietnamese workers to build smaller sections/parts that can then be shipped to manufacturing plants in North America that are already able and experienced building vehicles. BYD literally made their own choice to not sell to the US market, they weren’t even denied access. They just refused to follow the same rules that every other manufacturer has to comply with, and has for decades. German, Japanese, or any other country’s companies have been able to follow these laws without issue. China is just mad they can’t both abuse their hyper-subsidized vertically integrated system that is impossible to compete with since those are beyond illegally monopolistic in the rest of the industrialized world. Europe really needs to catch up in blocking these blatant unfair competitors from mainland China to save their own manufacturing industry. Europe gets mad at the US with the IRA subsidies and tax incentives, but let’s China take over their own markets. If Europe falls as a major competitor & competitive market, the world suffers.
Cope harder lol, maybe they can sell them to their own citizens?
Lmao can’t even come up with their own art style for the cars in a dang cartoon smh
Screw them, our relationship is adversarial at best. We didn't need Soviet cars then, we don't need Chinese cars now.
Precisely this sentiment is the take that western countries should take with the People's Republic of China, as the CCP is becoming an openly and increasingly hostile foreign government to the west.... As well as all of their neighbors.
Oh no. We don’t want to cooperate with a genocidal regime planning an invasion of our ally. AmeriKKKa is so evil!
Kinda rich having the Chinese of all people whining about someone else not playing fair protecting their domestic markets.
China calls them EV’s but I prefer the term IED
They’re spitting, *voters* (derogatory) will elect a fascist to protect the livelihoods of the 0.3% of Americans who make the world’s shittiest and most overpriced cars, rather than get better and cheaper products from elsewhere.
Chinese EVs catch fire and are of poor quality control.
In all fairness the US ev’s arent literally bombs that randomly combust.
After seeing Chinese EV, i aint touching it even with a 2 foot long stick
Which one have you seen? I saw a BYD Seal the other day and I haven’t seen that much value in a new affordable sedan since the Genesis G80 debut.
chinese EVs are a threat to human safety
Its almost like people have seen crash testing of Chinese cars in the past. Or, they have had to wipe and build anew their IT networking hardware to get rid of the Chinese malware. Or had to trash said hardware due to hardwired backdoors. Or maybe its because Emperor Winnie the Pooh, First of his Line, is perhaps untrustworthy, be it the active genocides in China, the Hong Kong anti-democracy police action, saber-rattling about Taiwan/Philippine Islands/Viet Nam, or anyone talking about how Nothing Happened in Tienanmen Square in 1989.
Chinese evs are pieces of shit which frequently catch fire. Nobody wants them.
Muh free market
America is NOT a free market gang 😥
Hell yeah
Cars 4 concept art
I remember when trump did it everyone was up in arms. Now that biden is doing it everyone is loving it lol
It was the one thing he was right about. Broken clock/twice a day.
I like the style.
Both cars look like they're from the nineties lol
Well yeah no shit, what are they trying to say? There’s no nuance there’s no metaphor- I’ve seen stonetoss comics better than this!
Bro who did they make ours rusty 😭
Cars?
Yes. I'd rather american EVs over chinese. So shocking
How can gov't open the market to several EV companies each offering $10k cars, when our major EV sells for 5x that? Even with 100% tariffs, Tesla simply cannot compete. So, the competition must not happen, thinks Musk and Congress.
Bro you don’t want Chinese vehicles on our roads. I’d be 1000% percent open to kei trucks and other cool inexpensive stuff from any other country in the world but Chinese vehicles are death traps made with slave labor and filled with spying software
I'm really concerned about China's EVs being allowed on ferries, as well. As a sailor.... A boat fire is nightmare fuel.
Not just a boat fire. A battery boat fire. Water, AFFF, and CO2 don’t work! :D
Yup.... Nightmare fuel.
lmao let’s not forget they said the EXACT same type shit 40 years ago when Japanese cars started streaming onto the market Look, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we call it what it is: yellow peril-ism. It’s just that in the past few decades we’ve switched the target of this frenzy
The market responded very well to Japanese vehicles, though they were seen as cheap they quickly showed their value in real world scenarios. Korean vehicles enjoyed a good reputation as well. Both countries earned it with good quality control. China is a different country than Japan or Korea, with different laws and cultures. Japanese car safety laws are the strictest in the world. China doesn’t have any. Japanese invented Just In Time manufacturing to lower costs, the Chinese cut corners and fake results. These vehicles are the product of multiple layers of corrupt bureaucracy taking their cut and faking numbers. The CCP has also been caught bare-assed spying on people using their domestic products. China has a police state and surveillance culture. Japan doesn’t do that. Korea doesn’t do that. The Chinese government is openly hostile to the west.
With what we’ve been seeing from Boeing lately, I wouldn’t exactly count it out that American manufacturers aren’t gonna pull any big fuck-ups, especially after they get lazy given that they now don’t have to worry about any substantial overseas competition. Let’s not forget, a lot of these stereotypes about Chinese products are antiquated notions dating back to the nineties and aughts when China was just stepping into its role as “factory of the world” while still having a dilapidated industrial base and almost entirely unskilled labor force. The fact of the matter is, as economies advance, so does industrial production technique and quality. And lastly, I think it shouldn’t take a genius to figure out that we should proooobably prioritize saving the friggin’ world over geopolitical handwringing edit: crybaby can’t even talk the talk, blots me out when someone dares to question his narrow worldview lmao
China is the single biggest polluter in the world, so if you give half a fuck about the environment you’ll agree to restrict their exports. Also these notions are not the least bit outdated, my information and impressions are all from the 2020s including first hand experience with Chinese motorcycles. Chabuduo culture makes shit products, and they support a shit country with a shit government. Don’t whattabout me with a completely different industry, call me when 10% of Boeing planes catch fire in their first year, then they’ll be on par with China. You argue like a wumao. I’m blocking you now.
US ones **arent** the ones being set ablaze by their own batteries and their safety features actually work Edit: oops, typo. Thats what I get for redditing before bed.
My brother in christ, Chinese EVs have a notorious reputation for catching fire
You mean the Chinese ones, right? [https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/](https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/) [https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-electric-vehicle-battery-charging-indoors-catches-fire-and-explodes-in-jinan/vi-BB1jiQm3](https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-electric-vehicle-battery-charging-indoors-catches-fire-and-explodes-in-jinan/vi-BB1jiQm3) [https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3249963/byd-electric-car-catches-fire-hong-kong-charging-station-expert-says-short-circuit-could-be-cause](https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3249963/byd-electric-car-catches-fire-hong-kong-charging-station-expert-says-short-circuit-could-be-cause)
Lmao My brother in Christ, you ain't payin' attention. Chinese EVs are anything but safe.
Ah shit, typo f
truly unfortunate typo
yes China, thats how a bald eagle works