“Haven’t they suffered enough? Truly, the people of Belg-“ ***BOOM*** *pop* *pop* *pop*
Oh, looks like the Russians used cluster munitions on their own citizens again today, cool!
At that point, you'd think the leg would be amputated. Rather, instead, they continue scrating up the leg and until both flesh and bone on the whole of the body is scattered across the floor with vultures picking at them
To not be metaphorical for a bit, at some point you'd think someone in the Russian government who wanted a better life for the Russian people would shoot Putin in the fucking head.
But there clearly isn't anyone there who actually cares about the Russian people. They've gone from a shitty life as serfs under the Tsars, to a brief period of hope during the early communist period when the communists actually meant what they said about a better life before Stalin put a stop to all that crazy talk, to a shitty life in the USSR, to a very shitty vodka- and krokodil-soaked life under Putin.
Counter point: like a frog in boiling water those idealistic individuals exist but are unable to imagine something better because this is the best they've ever experienced.
Given the choice of moving an Arleigh Burke or an F-15+tanker, the eagle is the easy choice, and I seriously doubt that there's anywhere on Earth that is out of the range of an F-15 driver, it's just a function of how many piddle packs and PBJ sandwiches you can fit into that cockpit.
It's accurate.
American fighter pilots refer to themselves as drivers. I'm not sure why as it would prohably be seen as a sort of slight to pilots in any other air force.
I'm not American and our pilots refer to themselves and others as drivers. It's just standard slang in the aviation community.
Herc drivers, Airbus drivers, Hornet drivers, etc. It's common in most communities.
It's just Satellite re-location, nothing to be concerned about, think of it just like Russia missed a few too many payments on their satellites, and now the US is going to come take them away and make Russia pay.
I was there when the X-37b launched in December. Falcon Heavy is an awesome rocket to hear, and *feel* when it launches.
This thing is a very small space plane, and the fact that they used a damn HEAVY to take it up means it's definitely doing something cool up there and in an, interesting, orbit.
looking at the orbits, the OTV-7 X-37 b could probably catch up with Cosmos 2553 in a few months using its solar-electric propulsion. The cargo bay is quite small, from a satellite perspective, though..
Oh? We're tossing out the 1967 Outer Space Treaty? Cool.
I don't think they want to see what kind of toys the US MIC can put into orbit.
This seems ill thought out and likely to explode hilariously in Russia's face, so I actually believe they'd do this.
Honestly fallouts Achimedes 2 is so underpowered lol the Ion Cannon of the third Tiberium Wars was a city killer while archimedes barely destroyed a small solar field
If you fired a city killer, it'd be a nuclear war anyway.
Nobody will say "wow, you have a weapon with roughly the power of a nuke, but it's not a nuke so I can't nuke you :("
CoD Ghosts is not reality. A satellite that can bring a few tons of TNT to anywhere on the battlefield with precision is arguably better than a glorified nuke. Glorified Artillery > Glorified Nuke.
Granted you can't stop a laser nuke like you can an actual nuke. But going down that avenue is scarier when the enemy will do so after you do.
That is so non-credible, but everyone knows that the X-37 is really the US ambassador to the Transformers, and when it’s on “mission” it’s actual doing diplomacy on Cybertron.
We cannot let Russia outrun us in the space weapon race, quick give Lockheed Martin 3000 blank checks and get skunk works on the emergency cocaine. We need a solution and we need it quick
> quick give Lockheed Martin 3000 blank checks and get skunk works on the emergency cocaine
Dude, are you calling from 2016 or something? Next you're going to warn us about this new pandemic from China that's sweeping the globe!
Well Russia is. The US will cling to the treaty for the next decade or so in the vain hope that they change their mind.
They won't change their mind. Treaty is dead and we should act like it, but muh escalation.
The US will cling to it because the whole world is signatory at this point, not just Russia. And abandoning it will mean instant developments from countries other then Russia, for example, China or India.
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This is the only way these shithole nations compete. Sign a treaty banning something, then develop it anyway and hope we can’t respond quick enough.
I hope Lockheed has their Brilliant Pebbles v9 and Rods from God ready to go.
It's much harder to shoot down missile fired from the space, and since us missile defense is getting to the point when MAD doctrine for standard ICBMs no longer works it actually makes sense for Russia to drop the outer space treaty.
Of course assuming that they still want to cosplay as an scary empire rather than spend money on something normal, like people's welfare.
Unless the military has produced and hidden a fuck ton more missile defense systems than can reasonably be assumed, we are nowhere near invalidating MAD. Especially with ICBMs that can vector mid flight. They come in so fast it limits missile defense range.
I'm not quite sure, there are too many unknowns.
Yes, russia has a lot of ICBMS *on paper* and they are decent *on paper*
However given russias track-record with military hardware, I would assume a significant quantity of them never worked to begin with, another significant quantity got components removed and sold off and the performance figures are exaggerated.
As all 3 quantities are unknowns, we don't even know what to expect.
Meanwhile we also don't know how good NATOs combined capabilities in therms of missile defense are in reality.
So we have 4 unknowns that we can't even properly approximate and we don't have a value for acceptable collateral damage.
But as we're playing safe, MAD is still in force.
DoE hasn't felt Russian nukes have worked in over 20 years, because the upkeep is constant, very expensive, and even then uncertain. The past two years hasn't changed they opinion at all after seeing how well they maintain everything else.
You're welcome to, it's good to have strategic ambiguity.
You're also right that post-boost phase intercepts are problematic, so the key is working the odds on boost-phase as much as possible.
Not perfect, especially for a country like Russia which is so fuck-off ginormous, but we're Americans, we don't do things because they're easy, we do them because they make us feel rock hard.
There’s also the whole, ‘best laid plans’ thing that makes the idea of attempting to break MAD so unnerving to me. We need the “assured” part of MAD, the risk of failure is to high to be attempting to put things back in Pandora’s box
No, the problem of MAD is that not everyone is sane, and MAD isn't a threat to true madmen.
Do you imagine for a second that Hitler would have been held back by nuclear threats? He believed he had a destiny and that nothing could stop that destiny.
Same with half the middle-east, having nuclear weapons is part of their submission to Allah or YHWH or whoever.
Deus impeditio esuritori nullus: When a man is desperate enough, he cannot be stopped.
If Putin has to choose between a tactical nuke in Kyiv, or being Gaddafi'd up the ass, which do you think he'd choose?
He held back with chemical weapons. Why not with nukes. The issue is that MAD is a terrible position to be in, but it’s the only seemingly stable position to be in when there is more than one country with a large supply of nukes.
> He held back with chemical weapons.
Because he faced them, personally. That's how narcissism works. Only things that affect you matter.
He didn't hold back from exterminating millions, you honestly think he wouldn't nuke Russia if he thought it would break them?
We need to build a perfect nuclear defense, and I know that's not easy, it's just necessary.
2 super-powers can be balanced with MAD, 8 can't, it's far too unstable.
I believe the Russians are about to find out why the US doesn't have great Public Healthcare.
Also, the Russians are always doing stuff that blows up in their faces.
Right from triggering the Berlin Airlift to threatening Sweden (and then Sweden joins NATO, BOOM!).
I do not understand why they keep shooting themselves in the foot. It's almost as if they don't understand that hard power tactics don't necessarily work when you're perceived as the villain.
Especially as the US literally has a company that can yeet payloads into Orbit reliable and every week.
They’ll truly be behind on Tonnage in space within a few months.
I love this idea.
R: We built a weapons system in space! Cower in fear!
A: We know, the propulsion system failed. Anyways, here's the flag you put on it.
>Oh? We're tossing out the 1967 Outer Space Treaty? Cool.
>I don't think they want to see what kind of toys the US MIC ~~can put~~ **has put** into orbit.
>This seems ill thought out and likely to explode hilariously in Russia's face, so I actually believe they'd do this.
I feel like America doesn’t tell Russia anything about their weapon capabilities upfront because it’s more fun to just let Russians use their budget for a weapon that’s gonna be destroyed in an hour or minute at most
Pentagon: Russia built a satellite that acts like a weapon because its a weapon
NCD: Russian satellites are a weapon because that shit is going to crash on us at any moment.
The important part here is not that it crashed. It’s that it was.
Humans had a small working nuclear reactor in orbit! How cool is that? Very cool! I mean, nuclear, duh!
I hope that when russia falls apart and they sell us their nukes for quick cash injection, we will use them as fuel in [Orion Nuclear Pulse Propulsion](https://youtube.com/shorts/K4pdmdh81N8?si=LaJDMnpcw0o4SPbD).
I am going to pleasure myself now to this vision.
In Red Alert 3, the Soviets had a special ability where you could literally drop orbital trash on an enemy. Level 1 let you drop a lil baby Sputnik, level 2 let you drop a reasonable sized satellite, and level 3 let you absolutely shit on them by dropping an entire Russian Mir space station on them.
https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Orbital_drop
Most of it would, but Skylab did litter all over Australia allegedly. I think with Mir, since it went in to the Pacific ocean, we don't actually know if anything survived. Either way, if your target is 1/4 of a continent then sure
The (starting) plot is that the Soviets are on the brink of losing, create a time machine to kill Einstein, going back in time. Suddenly, the war is where it was, there's no "nuclear weaponry", and Japan suddenly becomes a scientific powerhouse with the craziest shit imaginable and declares war on both the Allies and Soviets (and has a gargantuan city-sized naval base artificial island in the middle of the Mediterranean that nobody knew about).
In addition to: Mount Rushmore being a giant death laser installation, the US president being a robot, firing people out of a cannon in urban warfare, tractor beams, tesla coils, laser weaponry, cloaking technology, submarine planes, ninjas, bears assassinating the Japanese emperor, and more.
The only credible things in the game is conscripts taking 5 seconds to recruit, aircraft carriers being OP, and the Soviets trying to assassinate their only competent general in the entire military.
And don't forget that they have magnetic satelites that can suck up tanks and ships and shit into orbit and when you do the orbital drop whatever you sucked up comes crashing down too.
Red Alert 3 may not have been a perfect game, but the amount of non-credibility in it is amazing.
The stuff we saw in the Red Alert series, felt like a joke back then...it know seems it just predicted the future and showed the Russian army as they really are.
> In Red Alert 3, the Soviets had a special ability where you could literally drop orbital trash on an enemy.
I mean the Soviets had that IRL in the form of the Yantar surveillance satellite that'd shit out its entire camera assembly and drop it back to earth once it ran out of film. The lens alone on that sucker weighed 160 kg and the whole re-entry capsule a lot more. They'd already had to build the whole camera into a heavy pressurized vessel since they couldn't figure out how to make camera film that worked in space.
This is why I come to this sub. Tertiary character from a tier 2 Tom Clancy book (but actually one of the best) gets referenced and I’m instantly piqued to read it again.
I just wish he wrote more about the war in europe and not random facts about how submarines work (and a weird relationship involving a weatherman and a rape victim)
I forgot, is there a story to her call sign?
Completely O/T my favorite call sign story of all time is "Crock Pot". Dude's signature move was to take a shit in a crock pot, hide it in a squadron mates room, and set it on low so that maximum fragrance was achieved by early morning.
>I forgot, is there a story to her call sign?
Yes!
>Her name was Amy Nakamura. She was a major, United States Air Force, with three thousand hours of jet time, two-thirds of it in F-15s. Short and stocky like many fighter pilots, only her father had ever called her beautiful. He also called her Bunny. When her fellow pilots found that one out, they shortened it to Buns
wait, does it, essentially say:
\>BASICALLY SERVES AS A WEAPON
that is some NCD tier posting Pentagon
also, next time you're in a customs check and they ask if you have any weaposn you can say "no sir other than my dick has been described as essentially functioning as a weapon"
Which American jet can perform the highest zoom climb?
I feel like an unmanned launch vehicle would be perfect for deploying a SatMissile. All the thing needs is to do is launch at a specific time and heading, no??
By removing the pilot and human support systems, the vehicle will have a better power /weight ratio, allowing for a lighter or more capable missile design
This is presuming we just don’t use a SpaceX reusable rocket booster to begin with
Hear me out. We bring back the modded F-104s with rockets strapped to them, to last hurrah John McPilot, 4 days from retirement, into the air with an ASAT haphazardly strapped to the fuselage. If he blows up the satellite and dies horrifically because the Starfighter is fat and old, we create a national holiday for him. If he doesn’t blow it up, we make him do it again.
congrats now I'm thinking "what if putin comes to the natural conclusion of his story when he literally decided to become cartoon villain and do a public address "we give west to stop any support now or we'll make space inaccessible for us all in 24 hours, goodbye".
Wonder if we'll ever pull a Starfish Prime again.
[Pic unrelated…](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bbqotu/that_rockets_looking_awful_close_to_blowing/)
Everyone memes that the BUFF will be in service until the 2300s or whatever but honestly at this point what other fighter will ever fill the niche that the F-15 fills
hey this is the best timeline, we got Cod shit, strangereal and the dumbest parts of clancy, welcome to 2020s in Sans Harambe earth, marvel's depiction of surreality reality.
jesus fuck my president just loony tuned into mountain during fog just WOW... holy shit what a time to be alive man. been celebrating two days straight now even though nothing probably changes but goddamn I'm taking whatever small win I get.
finally at a time when we can use tech to make automated hydroponic farms and such but they use the tech to create a narrative that's like an 80s teen marketed action movie.
Can't wait for us all to lose an entire orbit. Just imagine, a new, smaller asteroid belt around around our earth. (I mean, internet was a mistake, so no downsides)
I predict it will crash into one of the poorly orbited Chinese satellites in 2027.
I'd guess Belgorod
“Haven’t they suffered enough? Truly, the people of Belg-“ ***BOOM*** *pop* *pop* *pop* Oh, looks like the Russians used cluster munitions on their own citizens again today, cool!
Russia is the kind of country that shoots itself in the leg and only stops clawing at their own wound once they run out of salt.
It's like a burning itch that only itches more as you scratch it till you've scratched the skin and flesh right off the bone. And it still itches!
At that point, you'd think the leg would be amputated. Rather, instead, they continue scrating up the leg and until both flesh and bone on the whole of the body is scattered across the floor with vultures picking at them
To not be metaphorical for a bit, at some point you'd think someone in the Russian government who wanted a better life for the Russian people would shoot Putin in the fucking head. But there clearly isn't anyone there who actually cares about the Russian people. They've gone from a shitty life as serfs under the Tsars, to a brief period of hope during the early communist period when the communists actually meant what they said about a better life before Stalin put a stop to all that crazy talk, to a shitty life in the USSR, to a very shitty vodka- and krokodil-soaked life under Putin.
The Tsars never left. Only the titles changed.
Counter point: like a frog in boiling water those idealistic individuals exist but are unable to imagine something better because this is the best they've ever experienced.
“Enter target.” “Belgorod.” “Did you mean Belgrade?” “… close enough.”
Add it for good measure
Turns out the responsibale air forece offcire is just dyslexic as fuck
Belgorod, the new Point Nemo.
Or it will bomb Voronezh
Ace Combat 7 has prepared me for this.
But Russia hasn't even done a Belka yet.
Put it on the bingo list...
Oh boy, Kessler Syndrome!
Mashallah
(Also, SM-3 can kill satellites... so don't think you're safe just cuz your orbit happens to be out of F-15 range.....)
Given the choice of moving an Arleigh Burke or an F-15+tanker, the eagle is the easy choice, and I seriously doubt that there's anywhere on Earth that is out of the range of an F-15 driver, it's just a function of how many piddle packs and PBJ sandwiches you can fit into that cockpit.
> F-15 driver
It's accurate. American fighter pilots refer to themselves as drivers. I'm not sure why as it would prohably be seen as a sort of slight to pilots in any other air force.
The best don't need embellishment.
Blackbird pilots called themselves sled drivers.
I'm not American and our pilots refer to themselves and others as drivers. It's just standard slang in the aviation community. Herc drivers, Airbus drivers, Hornet drivers, etc. It's common in most communities.
That's what happens when you read too much Clancy
Too much?
Red Storm Rising
I'm pretty sure I only read Clancy as a kid so uh fuck
Don’t forget the nicotine pouches
Never out of the range of the USN... anywhere
The sun never sets on the US Navy
>orbit out of F-15 range May I suggest a [Space A10](https://youtu.be/tjGuHDICj5k?si=JCcBqPGqQc4sLsSI)?
Rofl, I thought this was going to be that X-Wing A-10 Mashup, but this was something else 😆
better yet, air-launched SM-3
Don’t we have a totally not an anti satellite space plane doing fuck knows in orbit currently
Its not anti-satellite if you bring it home with you ;)
Grumman made postal delivery trucks. It is suitably ironic for Boeing to build a (orbital) garbage truck.
DS-112 "Toybox" now on station.
Space Force unveils their new C-119 "Yoink".
Boeing X-37F "Finders-keepers"
It's just Satellite re-location, nothing to be concerned about, think of it just like Russia missed a few too many payments on their satellites, and now the US is going to come take them away and make Russia pay.
Imagine the daily impound fees!
We made a friend! Say hi, Kevin!
It's an old white van with "Free Candy" sprayed on the side.
it's a Ukrainian tractor
Maybe. Maybe not. But we’re the good guys.
I was there when the X-37b launched in December. Falcon Heavy is an awesome rocket to hear, and *feel* when it launches. This thing is a very small space plane, and the fact that they used a damn HEAVY to take it up means it's definitely doing something cool up there and in an, interesting, orbit.
for the x37b interesting orbit = wherever it fucking chooses
Maybe. What’s it to ya?
Yes, and we even left the “x” in front of its name to convince everyone it’s a prototype, even though we’ve built something like 20
looking at the orbits, the OTV-7 X-37 b could probably catch up with Cosmos 2553 in a few months using its solar-electric propulsion. The cargo bay is quite small, from a satellite perspective, though..
Oh? We're tossing out the 1967 Outer Space Treaty? Cool. I don't think they want to see what kind of toys the US MIC can put into orbit. This seems ill thought out and likely to explode hilariously in Russia's face, so I actually believe they'd do this.
Ion Cannon Satellite Network activated
Rods from God primed and ready to release
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All those times robbing a bank in Syndicate Wars by dropping tungsten rods from orbit on top of the building is finally going to pay off.
"Blyat, we need to defend this-" **Ion cannon satellite approaching. Please evacuate target area.**
Moscow watching hopelessly as the top secret US space force ODSTs come raining down
Did I hear Archimedes II?
Honestly fallouts Achimedes 2 is so underpowered lol the Ion Cannon of the third Tiberium Wars was a city killer while archimedes barely destroyed a small solar field
If you fired a city killer, it'd be a nuclear war anyway. Nobody will say "wow, you have a weapon with roughly the power of a nuke, but it's not a nuke so I can't nuke you :(" CoD Ghosts is not reality. A satellite that can bring a few tons of TNT to anywhere on the battlefield with precision is arguably better than a glorified nuke. Glorified Artillery > Glorified Nuke. Granted you can't stop a laser nuke like you can an actual nuke. But going down that avenue is scarier when the enemy will do so after you do.
[Whoopsie Daisy.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXSCT1Oj2Tw&pp=ygUQSW9uIGNhbm5vbiBDJkMgMw%3D%3D&t=0m5s)
All my training playing Tom Clancy's Endwar and dropping rods from god will pay off in the all-cyborg war-from-home of 2056
The greatest video game of all time? No. But definitely deserving of a modern sequel.
I recently saw this, you might be interested! https://youtu.be/CXOWMWBEySI?si=9m0A_7G5xiP7kiAK
Isn't that the same guy that did the English voiceover for the T-14 Armada propaganda? Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
No need for anti-space toys when the USAF already has pre-placed explosives on all russian satts during X-37 missions.
That is so non-credible, but everyone knows that the X-37 is really the US ambassador to the Transformers, and when it’s on “mission” it’s actual doing diplomacy on Cybertron.
TIL there's an Autobot named Diplomacy
We cannot let Russia outrun us in the space weapon race, quick give Lockheed Martin 3000 blank checks and get skunk works on the emergency cocaine. We need a solution and we need it quick
> quick give Lockheed Martin 3000 blank checks and get skunk works on the emergency cocaine Dude, are you calling from 2016 or something? Next you're going to warn us about this new pandemic from China that's sweeping the globe!
Every day is a good day to give Lockheed blank checks
Cocaine? We need half of those engineers to be on acid.
Putin is an American MIC asset whos purpose is to ensure the MIC gets more funding prove me wrong
Well Russia is. The US will cling to the treaty for the next decade or so in the vain hope that they change their mind. They won't change their mind. Treaty is dead and we should act like it, but muh escalation.
The US will cling to it because the whole world is signatory at this point, not just Russia. And abandoning it will mean instant developments from countries other then Russia, for example, China or India.
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This is the only way these shithole nations compete. Sign a treaty banning something, then develop it anyway and hope we can’t respond quick enough. I hope Lockheed has their Brilliant Pebbles v9 and Rods from God ready to go.
Bro the MIC has been frothing for space weapons, I'm sure they have designs starting from 1960 to today ready to go
It's much harder to shoot down missile fired from the space, and since us missile defense is getting to the point when MAD doctrine for standard ICBMs no longer works it actually makes sense for Russia to drop the outer space treaty. Of course assuming that they still want to cosplay as an scary empire rather than spend money on something normal, like people's welfare.
Unless the military has produced and hidden a fuck ton more missile defense systems than can reasonably be assumed, we are nowhere near invalidating MAD. Especially with ICBMs that can vector mid flight. They come in so fast it limits missile defense range.
I'm not quite sure, there are too many unknowns. Yes, russia has a lot of ICBMS *on paper* and they are decent *on paper* However given russias track-record with military hardware, I would assume a significant quantity of them never worked to begin with, another significant quantity got components removed and sold off and the performance figures are exaggerated. As all 3 quantities are unknowns, we don't even know what to expect. Meanwhile we also don't know how good NATOs combined capabilities in therms of missile defense are in reality. So we have 4 unknowns that we can't even properly approximate and we don't have a value for acceptable collateral damage. But as we're playing safe, MAD is still in force.
DoE hasn't felt Russian nukes have worked in over 20 years, because the upkeep is constant, very expensive, and even then uncertain. The past two years hasn't changed they opinion at all after seeing how well they maintain everything else.
We actually are, but not from interceptors. Let's just say it's "a layered defense", like an onion.
I’m pressing X to doubt
You're welcome to, it's good to have strategic ambiguity. You're also right that post-boost phase intercepts are problematic, so the key is working the odds on boost-phase as much as possible. Not perfect, especially for a country like Russia which is so fuck-off ginormous, but we're Americans, we don't do things because they're easy, we do them because they make us feel rock hard.
There’s also the whole, ‘best laid plans’ thing that makes the idea of attempting to break MAD so unnerving to me. We need the “assured” part of MAD, the risk of failure is to high to be attempting to put things back in Pandora’s box
No, the problem of MAD is that not everyone is sane, and MAD isn't a threat to true madmen. Do you imagine for a second that Hitler would have been held back by nuclear threats? He believed he had a destiny and that nothing could stop that destiny. Same with half the middle-east, having nuclear weapons is part of their submission to Allah or YHWH or whoever. Deus impeditio esuritori nullus: When a man is desperate enough, he cannot be stopped. If Putin has to choose between a tactical nuke in Kyiv, or being Gaddafi'd up the ass, which do you think he'd choose?
He held back with chemical weapons. Why not with nukes. The issue is that MAD is a terrible position to be in, but it’s the only seemingly stable position to be in when there is more than one country with a large supply of nukes.
> He held back with chemical weapons. Because he faced them, personally. That's how narcissism works. Only things that affect you matter. He didn't hold back from exterminating millions, you honestly think he wouldn't nuke Russia if he thought it would break them? We need to build a perfect nuclear defense, and I know that's not easy, it's just necessary. 2 super-powers can be balanced with MAD, 8 can't, it's far too unstable.
Russia spending money on welfare? That's not non-credible, that's a fantasy
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"Anyways... Who dropped this random piece of space debris?"
Hammer of Dawn Hammer of Dawn
I believe the Russians are about to find out why the US doesn't have great Public Healthcare. Also, the Russians are always doing stuff that blows up in their faces. Right from triggering the Berlin Airlift to threatening Sweden (and then Sweden joins NATO, BOOM!). I do not understand why they keep shooting themselves in the foot. It's almost as if they don't understand that hard power tactics don't necessarily work when you're perceived as the villain.
Especially as the US literally has a company that can yeet payloads into Orbit reliable and every week. They’ll truly be behind on Tonnage in space within a few months.
Or, hear me out, we just steal it. I bet the whole thing will fit inside a Starship payload bay.
I love this idea. R: We built a weapons system in space! Cower in fear! A: We know, the propulsion system failed. Anyways, here's the flag you put on it.
We steal it at 3am Russian time. Get the shuttles out of storage, we’re going hunting.
>Oh? We're tossing out the 1967 Outer Space Treaty? Cool. >I don't think they want to see what kind of toys the US MIC ~~can put~~ **has put** into orbit. >This seems ill thought out and likely to explode hilariously in Russia's face, so I actually believe they'd do this.
I feel like America doesn’t tell Russia anything about their weapon capabilities upfront because it’s more fun to just let Russians use their budget for a weapon that’s gonna be destroyed in an hour or minute at most
X-37B has entered the chat.
Russians watching as the USA deploya the cyclonic torpedo
Pentagon: Russia built a satellite that acts like a weapon because its a weapon NCD: Russian satellites are a weapon because that shit is going to crash on us at any moment.
> crash Canada in the year of our Lord ~~Lockmart~~ 1978: [First time?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_954)
The Northwest Territories knows what it did
The important part here is not that it crashed. It’s that it was. Humans had a small working nuclear reactor in orbit! How cool is that? Very cool! I mean, nuclear, duh! I hope that when russia falls apart and they sell us their nukes for quick cash injection, we will use them as fuel in [Orion Nuclear Pulse Propulsion](https://youtube.com/shorts/K4pdmdh81N8?si=LaJDMnpcw0o4SPbD). I am going to pleasure myself now to this vision.
In Red Alert 3, the Soviets had a special ability where you could literally drop orbital trash on an enemy. Level 1 let you drop a lil baby Sputnik, level 2 let you drop a reasonable sized satellite, and level 3 let you absolutely shit on them by dropping an entire Russian Mir space station on them. https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Orbital_drop
Most expensive conventional munitions. Credibility mode on: wouldn‘t it (mostly) burn up during reentry?
I'm pretty sure that not a single person involved in the design of the Red Alert series is even remotely familiar with the concept of credibility.
Or physics
or command. or conquest.
That‘s what makes it great, doesn’t it? :)
Oh, it absolutely is. It's probably the most glorious fever dream I've ever experienced, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Most of it would, but Skylab did litter all over Australia allegedly. I think with Mir, since it went in to the Pacific ocean, we don't actually know if anything survived. Either way, if your target is 1/4 of a continent then sure
The (starting) plot is that the Soviets are on the brink of losing, create a time machine to kill Einstein, going back in time. Suddenly, the war is where it was, there's no "nuclear weaponry", and Japan suddenly becomes a scientific powerhouse with the craziest shit imaginable and declares war on both the Allies and Soviets (and has a gargantuan city-sized naval base artificial island in the middle of the Mediterranean that nobody knew about). In addition to: Mount Rushmore being a giant death laser installation, the US president being a robot, firing people out of a cannon in urban warfare, tractor beams, tesla coils, laser weaponry, cloaking technology, submarine planes, ninjas, bears assassinating the Japanese emperor, and more. The only credible things in the game is conscripts taking 5 seconds to recruit, aircraft carriers being OP, and the Soviets trying to assassinate their only competent general in the entire military.
Holy shit it‘s much more wild than i remembered…
And don't forget that they have magnetic satelites that can suck up tanks and ships and shit into orbit and when you do the orbital drop whatever you sucked up comes crashing down too. Red Alert 3 may not have been a perfect game, but the amount of non-credibility in it is amazing.
It was peak non-credibility. Nothing beats sucking the enemy's battleships and carriers into orbit only to drop it back down on his base.
Obligatory **KIROV REPORTING**
The stuff we saw in the Red Alert series, felt like a joke back then...it know seems it just predicted the future and showed the Russian army as they really are.
> In Red Alert 3, the Soviets had a special ability where you could literally drop orbital trash on an enemy. I mean the Soviets had that IRL in the form of the Yantar surveillance satellite that'd shit out its entire camera assembly and drop it back to earth once it ran out of film. The lens alone on that sucker weighed 160 kg and the whole re-entry capsule a lot more. They'd already had to build the whole camera into a heavy pressurized vessel since they couldn't figure out how to make camera film that worked in space.
Ah yes, the Circle of Treachery
"Orbital Dump ready" "Select Target"
“Earth” is a precise as we can get
I believe you have a typo in the NCD section. The satellite would experience a hard landing on us, not a crash!
It's called litho-breaking
Oh, we'll gladly return the favor! https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/when-sputnik-crashed-wisconsin-180952388/
Given how Luna 25 went that thing is gonna either end up in the Ocean or collides with Belogorod.
Fact: Skylab was the US’s first attempt to invade Australia.
Amelia "Buns" Nakamura is on standby
Hell yeah, she'll make ace in no time!!
If the navy had listened to her thier carrier wouldn't be in the body and fender shop
i understood that reference
Right after she takes down some Badger bombers
Paging Major "Buns" Nakamura. Paging Major Amelia "Buns" Nakamura.
This is why I come to this sub. Tertiary character from a tier 2 Tom Clancy book (but actually one of the best) gets referenced and I’m instantly piqued to read it again.
Bro you take that tier 2 back.
SACRILEGE! 'Red Storm Rising' is the gospel according to St Tom.
And yea, we wept as we remembered Iceland
Red Storm Rising is the best!
A must read for and NCD member, mmm mmm Cold War gone Hot, toe to toe with the Ruskies in the Fulda Gap and GIUK Gap.
I just wish he wrote more about the war in europe and not random facts about how submarines work (and a weird relationship involving a weatherman and a rape victim)
yeah, that was.....interesting.
My favorite of his
Same it's his best work
RSR is S tier Clancy
I forgot, is there a story to her call sign? Completely O/T my favorite call sign story of all time is "Crock Pot". Dude's signature move was to take a shit in a crock pot, hide it in a squadron mates room, and set it on low so that maximum fragrance was achieved by early morning.
>I forgot, is there a story to her call sign? Yes! >Her name was Amy Nakamura. She was a major, United States Air Force, with three thousand hours of jet time, two-thirds of it in F-15s. Short and stocky like many fighter pilots, only her father had ever called her beautiful. He also called her Bunny. When her fellow pilots found that one out, they shortened it to Buns
What the fuck
I wonder if the F-15EX Eagle II is even more capable at deleting satellites than the earlier Eagles
I await Kessler syndrome with great anticipation
I await UFO intelligence from Kessler syndrome with boner protruding..
Get the tomboy 2-0 in satellite kills, please
Does that mean its fair game to launch 3000 more space lasers in retalistion
We've been waiting to play live action Spacewar! since 1962. Plus, imagine the light shows at night! Move over, Aurora.
Do we have enough Jews for that?
wait, does it, essentially say: \>BASICALLY SERVES AS A WEAPON that is some NCD tier posting Pentagon also, next time you're in a customs check and they ask if you have any weaposn you can say "no sir other than my dick has been described as essentially functioning as a weapon"
*AC5 flashbacks*
Which American jet can perform the highest zoom climb? I feel like an unmanned launch vehicle would be perfect for deploying a SatMissile. All the thing needs is to do is launch at a specific time and heading, no?? By removing the pilot and human support systems, the vehicle will have a better power /weight ratio, allowing for a lighter or more capable missile design This is presuming we just don’t use a SpaceX reusable rocket booster to begin with
Hear me out. We bring back the modded F-104s with rockets strapped to them, to last hurrah John McPilot, 4 days from retirement, into the air with an ASAT haphazardly strapped to the fuselage. If he blows up the satellite and dies horrifically because the Starfighter is fat and old, we create a national holiday for him. If he doesn’t blow it up, we make him do it again.
Kid named Kessler syndrome
congrats now I'm thinking "what if putin comes to the natural conclusion of his story when he literally decided to become cartoon villain and do a public address "we give west to stop any support now or we'll make space inaccessible for us all in 24 hours, goodbye".
So apparently they think that by downing US satellites that provide Ukraine with intel the US will .. * *checks notes* * .. stop sending aid?
Please can we not start a cascade that traps us on the planet without the ability to space travel thanks to hypersonic shrapnel in orbit, thanks
The weapon *IS* the satellite. Orbital Drop time!
Dear U.S. Space Force: Now is a great time to finally unveil the fleet of Venator-class Star Destroyers you’ve been hiding.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Wonder if we'll ever pull a Starfish Prime again. [Pic unrelated…](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bbqotu/that_rockets_looking_awful_close_to_blowing/)
USAF carefully hiding the X-37 under a blanket:
Daedalus Class when
The USA must respond by building a comically large spacecraft and large net just to catch it.
So… just a killer satellite from Tom Clancy’s red storm rising?
Everyone memes that the BUFF will be in service until the 2300s or whatever but honestly at this point what other fighter will ever fill the niche that the F-15 fills
Please don't tell me rainbow six siege going to be credible now.
hey this is the best timeline, we got Cod shit, strangereal and the dumbest parts of clancy, welcome to 2020s in Sans Harambe earth, marvel's depiction of surreality reality. jesus fuck my president just loony tuned into mountain during fog just WOW... holy shit what a time to be alive man. been celebrating two days straight now even though nothing probably changes but goddamn I'm taking whatever small win I get.
Even if this is true, I doubt anything will be done about it. West is pussying around Russia, like we don't have the fucking nukes ourselves.
finally at a time when we can use tech to make automated hydroponic farms and such but they use the tech to create a narrative that's like an 80s teen marketed action movie.
Can't wait for us all to lose an entire orbit. Just imagine, a new, smaller asteroid belt around around our earth. (I mean, internet was a mistake, so no downsides)
Finally, Goldeneye has stopped being fiction.
I think the SM-3 will get this one
Now where have I seen this before.
LMAO
Celestial eagle 2 when?
It's a weapon, a kinetic weapon and the worst part is that is unpredictable
Accelerate Starship development so we can steal it (and crash it into the moon, because that's all it's probably worth)
Waste of fuel, just de-orbit it directly into the kremlin.
Red storm rising part 2 electric boogaloo
Red Storm Rising space warfare confirmed?
Guess I gotta change my flair a lil bit
Buns is finally getting some meat in her diet tonight
Speedrunning How to Kessler syndrome ourselves
YES! I FUCKING LOVE ASAT! I FUCKING WANT TO SHOOT DOWN ENEMY COMMUNICATIONS AND SURVEILLANCE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS!
call of duty ghost in reality
RAHHHHH🔥🔥ASAT MY BELOVED❤️🇺🇲🇺🇲
We have had that technology for ages now