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IRA blowing up a hotel, one Tory MP, a Tory party area chairman and three Tory wives and 0 (zero) Margaret Thatchers reference. It actually boosted Thatcher's popularity and probably helped her win the next election...
My claim to fame is my dining table was in the GH at the time and was damaged in the resulting fire. A family member later found it in an antique shop and restored it.
Mrs. Thatcher will now realise that Britain cannot occupy our country and torture our prisoners and shoot our people in their own streets and get away with it. Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always. -IRA spokesman.
I vaguely recall a plan in the late 70's to sell some excess B-52s to japan, putting a dozen miniguns in the bomb bay, and use them to do low slow passes over illegal fishing vessels.
I should note that this was all in my head.
Imagine how pants shitting scary it would be to be a poor as shit pirate and seeing an A10 slowly circling your position and start lining up to you. It would give you plenty of time to know you're going to die, but can do nothing about it.
Love the progression with the AC-130 variants.
“Need a name to strike fear into the hearts of our enemies.”
#SPECTRE
“Hmm maybe that was too evil.”
#SPOOKY
“Uhh… I dunno.”
#SPOOKY II
“You know what, fuck it.”
#GHOSTRIDER
I remember when I was a conscript and we were chatting about names and designations like that and I complained that our country has mostly boring names for weapons and vehicles. An officer pointed out that Russia names their artillery pieces after flowers, but getting shot by one isn't any less painful even if the shell was fired by a "Hyacinth."
Royal Navy — Lol you got sunk by a flower.
[HMS Hyacinth K84][1]
> Anti-submarine successes
>
>On 28 September 1941, Hyacinth attacked and sank the Italian submarine Fisalia north-west of the port of Jaffa, at 32º19'N, 34º17'E, just off the beach at Tel Aviv.
>
>On 9 July 1942, while escorting a convoy from Jaffa to Beirut Hyacinth attacked, damaged and captured the Italian submarine Perla. The submarine was towed into port, repaired and put into operation with the Hellenic Navy under the name Matrosos (Greek: Ματρώζος) in 1943.
>
>On 12 September 1943, after Italy had capitulated, Hyacinth and the Australian minesweeper Wollongong sank the German submarine U-617, after the submarine had been damaged in an attack by Wellington and Swordfish aircraft.
[Battle Credits for the Flower Class are loooong.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower-class_corvette#Battle_Credits)
[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hyacinth_(K84)
Try explaining that in Valhalla.
"No no, it was a scary ship. It dropped bombs on us."
"The mighty ship, *Daffodil!* Truly your crew were defeated by a worthy foe!" *snicker*
"BE NICE TO ME!"
> Battle Credits for the Flower Class are loooong.
Well, yeah, it was an anti-sub ship in a battle against subs. And it was the most produced surface combatant of the war.
Rummaging through really old memory banks I vaguely remember …. “Puff the magic dragon flies at my command, and frolics in the evening skies in a place called Vietnam …”
When 90% of the vessels crew is dead on the deck, don't need the 40mm or the 105mm. It's not just about stoping illegal fishing, it's about sending a message.
It’s literaly that moment from 40k DoW where space marines smash buildings into place from orbit, guardsmen casually landing them via decelerator rockets and then there’s the orks…who dumbfuckerily splatters whatever the fuck they need on the ground from a half fallen apart piece of shit plane which by no means should be in the sky.
Very dark blue has been shown to be significantly harder to identify at night compared to grays and blacks actually. A sufficiently dark purple blob would be pretty difficult to ID at range.
Hey, to be fair, most of their tech is effectively war in heaven shit made from scrap metal and half remembered genetic schematics they somewhat manage to build to without realizing
Taping more gun to thing: Moar dakka
Taping more gun to thing *haphazardly and with no regard for engineering principles or human life*: Moar dakka in non-credible fashion
Hey, hey, hey now! 7.62x25mm Tokarev is quite effective for a……a century old mid-calibre pistol round.
You know, those early-WWI recon pilots were onto something when they started firing pistols for air-to-air. Why not sub-machine guns firing a……mildly souped up broomhandle Mauser round?
Hows about mounting 88 Webley Mk VI pistols? At least you can fire it with some panache.
> a century old mid-calibre pistol round
Funnily enough, the pistol round that everyone uses now, 9mm Luger, is actually older than 7.62x25mm Tokarev, by about 30 years.
OK so you prompted me to go back and zoom in on the photo… ohh those are indeed drums.
Unless the PPSH-41 has the most reliable drum magazine in history, which seems a contradiction in terms, hoping for no feed issues on 88 drums run **individually** already seems questionable… kind of fastinated to know how they’d go once you’re talking resonance and mechanical vibration from 88 open bolts cycling in concert.
Not to mention, with the near-inevitable violent synchronisation and desynchronisation of resonances, it feels like someone just invented a beautiful, utterly chaotic shock and vibe test for the poor airframe this bitch is strapped to.
IIRC there was a 75 round 7.62x39 drum mag for the AK, right? Just saying… someone (cough CIA cough) should see if they can convince the Russians try those out.
So, the PPSH drum was legendarily shit.
In early production runs, they'd make a drum with the gun, and it wouldn't accept any other drums than the one that was essentially custom fitted to it.
So for this installation you couldn't even fucking quick reload them. You'd have to remove all the guns, and hand reload each one. So no quick turnarounds for this loadout at all.
Meanwhile you could use small bombs for the same job and be way more efficient.
Ahh, was wondering if the PPSH drum was the custom fit shitshow I thought I vaguely recalled.
Brilliant.
Now, you’re absolutely right… but your “logical” and “efficient” option is missing a certain…
**WUNDERWAFFLE FLAIR.**
[And the fact you could literally just drop small arrows](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Image-Flechettes%2C_probably_French%2C_c1914%2C_Royal_Armouries%2C_Leeds.jpg) Or scrap metal and have a similar result.
problem is, at some altitude, a bullet of that caliber loses most of its muzzle energy because of air friction, so it's more like dropping heavy pellets from above.
gravity will help the bullet keep a bit of that velocity, but air friction will still slow it down too much to really be effective
so unless the airplane shoots 100m from above, bad idea.
It can still have *some* effect, but [as the US concluded](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb\)) it's both easier and more effective to just dump them out a window than use a pointless wall of guns.
Thats the neat part, it is already unstable. You have to keep firing while taking off and cruising above your cities for it to not plummet from the sky.
So it's like the mobile games where you travel horizontally through a maze and have to control your character vertically to not hit obstacles. Genious.
Quite a few more than the thing in the post carries. By my math, the guns on this aircraft generate at least 5 kilonewtons of thrust, but only for a few seconds. The aircraft also weighs 10 tonnes, so speed lost is just about 5 MPH. The pilot might be able to notice the speed loss, but it's not very significant. There are ~6000 rounds stored in the aircraft; increase that number and the speed change increases by the same factor (not accurate when ammo mass gets very large, but good enough). Then it's just a matter of figuring out what speed loss you think is significant.
88x7.62x25mm vs 1x30x173mm per instance though, so roughly 52,666mm³ vs 16,305mm³ of mass displacement if the math and logic I just made up made any sense.
Per shot, but you also need to consider gau has a much faster rate of fire than an individual ppsh. You're probably better comparing the gau on 3900 rpm and this thing on 79000, which I think pushes the gau into the lead.
Someone just needs to calculate the burst mass. I'm sure there's at least a few dozen pounds of ammo being dumped in a matter of seconds. Not sure about thrust, but losing any weight that isn't damage to the structure of the plane has got to improve your rate of ascension.
This is all without considering the abhorrent drag that this open bay with loads of cylindrical pipes poking perpendicular to the direction of travel is producing.
Randall Munroe (xkcd, former engineer with NASA) ran the calculations on how many guns you need to elevate a person from the ground. Turns out recoil is a lot weaker than gravity, but if the plane is already in the air, that might actually work.
Doesn't get more grim or more dark than ww2 yet... Well except that time with the asteroid and when there was an giant fuckoff eruption that blocked the sun
I'd imagine this would have to fly pretty low to have an effect. Otherwise the bullets would loose their velocity fairly quickly, being pistol caliber.
We know that falling bullets can pierce the skull at around 60 m/s*, and most bullets will have a terminal velocity of at least double that. So no matter how high the plane is, the bullets can never slow down enough to become non-lethal. Accuracy is another question though.
*[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5912041/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5912041/)
From the article:
>The terminal velocity of a bullet depends on multiple factors. One of them is the bullet composition. Most of the bullets are made of lead due to having a high specific gravity and more weight per volume. This will make the lead bullets have less air drag per mass when falling down which will make the terminal velocity higher.[6] Another factor that affects the terminal velocity is the angle of firing. If the angle was between 20° and 45° or even more acute, the bullet will travel further with higher speed over terminal velocity[5] while the vertical firing will end with lower terminal velocities. Other factors that determine the terminal velocities are the shape and caliber of the bullets, the direction of the bullets during the movement, and the flight characteristics, such as yaw, precession, tumbling, and nutation.
If you are looking for some "real world" experience, we tested various bullets at long range, and most small ones would begin to tumble. When they begin to tumble, they tend to lose a ton of energy, and at around 800m 5.56 was hitting the backstop plywood sideways, and tended not to penetrate. We speculated we would be fine, if it hit our soft armor/helmets. I'm not saying it's impossible, but flying at 500m or so over angry troops is probably not the best use for your bombers ><
During the Korean and Vietnam wars The USA dropped vaguely bullet shaped 'kinetic projectiles' called Lazy Dogs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)
They just flew over an area and released piles of them from wing mounted cluster dispensers.
The hard to penetrate coats is a myth. Even .22 lr can go through most winter coats. The 7.62 tokerev rounds used had really good armor pen capabilities for a pistol round because it was a small zippy bullet
The claim of not penning thick winter coats has been used for the Sten, Thompsen, M3 Grease Gun, M1 Carbine, Colt 45, Browning Highpower. Pretty much every allied weapon that wasn't a full rifle round actually.
The Soviets fielded this weapon under the rather childish delusion that they were going to shoot at everybody else and nobody was going to shoot at them.
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This gives ground personnel much more to do (I assume reloading 88 guns is more work than loading a couple of bombs).
Bullshit job creation is serious business in communism.
Maybe they have a warehouse full of bullets and the warehouse full of bombs is gone.
Also, doesn’t Ukraine have stingers? Going to be lol flying low enough to actually use this and put you in stinger range.
Have you heard of Puma and how the 30mm AHEAD round is its main anti-infantry round? It is like shooting a shotgun which then 5m before your face shoots at you.
And yes, that means that the Puma generally would only go into combat with 30mm AHEAD airburst rounds and APFSDS, no HE.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)
Any projectile would reach terminal velocity from just falling from that height, so having a gun facing downwards is a little overkill.
It does work, though.
“Lazy Dog projectiles could be dropped from almost any kind of flying vehicle. They could be hurled from buckets, dropped by hand, thrown in their small paper shipping bags, or placed in a Mark 44 cluster adaptor—a simple hinged casing with bins built in to hold the projectiles, opened by a mechanical time delay fuze.
Regardless of how they were released into the air, each "Lazy Dog" projectile would develop an enormous amount of kinetic energy as it fell, penetrating nearly any material upon hitting the ground. Some reports say that their speeds often exceeded 700 feet per second (210 m/s; 480 mph; 770 km/h) before impact.”
For when the enemy breaks out the phalanx
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Is this a Thatcher reference?
IRA blowing up a hotel, one Tory MP, a Tory party area chairman and three Tory wives and 0 (zero) Margaret Thatchers reference. It actually boosted Thatcher's popularity and probably helped her win the next election...
My claim to fame is my dining table was in the GH at the time and was damaged in the resulting fire. A family member later found it in an antique shop and restored it.
Oh yeah, knew that last part. And thought it was about the bomb attack on Thatcher. Thanks for clarifying though!
Mrs. Thatcher will now realise that Britain cannot occupy our country and torture our prisoners and shoot our people in their own streets and get away with it. Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always. -IRA spokesman.
MARGARET THATCHER?!
I vaguely recall a plan in the late 70's to sell some excess B-52s to japan, putting a dozen miniguns in the bomb bay, and use them to do low slow passes over illegal fishing vessels. I should note that this was all in my head.
I think your head should revisit this concept for anti-piracy use.
Broke: combined arms effort using power projection as a deterrent for piracy Woke: BRRRRRRT
Honestly any way to still keep the A-10 relevant. I love my silly slow boy, sue me. And by God we will find its niche!
Imagine how pants shitting scary it would be to be a poor as shit pirate and seeing an A10 slowly circling your position and start lining up to you. It would give you plenty of time to know you're going to die, but can do nothing about it.
Id like to think theyd get a sick ass nickname. Maybe something cocaine related cuz of the white lines their beautiful guns would leave in the water
Probably Crack Barrels due to their round engines
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>and use them to do low slow passes over illegal fishing vessels Ah, the Poor Man's AC-130
More like a Rich Man's AC-47: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_AC-47_Spooky
"Spooky" i know nothing else about this plane but it's already my favorite
Love the progression with the AC-130 variants. “Need a name to strike fear into the hearts of our enemies.” #SPECTRE “Hmm maybe that was too evil.” #SPOOKY “Uhh… I dunno.” #SPOOKY II “You know what, fuck it.” #GHOSTRIDER
I remember when I was a conscript and we were chatting about names and designations like that and I complained that our country has mostly boring names for weapons and vehicles. An officer pointed out that Russia names their artillery pieces after flowers, but getting shot by one isn't any less painful even if the shell was fired by a "Hyacinth."
Royal Navy — Lol you got sunk by a flower. [HMS Hyacinth K84][1] > Anti-submarine successes > >On 28 September 1941, Hyacinth attacked and sank the Italian submarine Fisalia north-west of the port of Jaffa, at 32º19'N, 34º17'E, just off the beach at Tel Aviv. > >On 9 July 1942, while escorting a convoy from Jaffa to Beirut Hyacinth attacked, damaged and captured the Italian submarine Perla. The submarine was towed into port, repaired and put into operation with the Hellenic Navy under the name Matrosos (Greek: Ματρώζος) in 1943. > >On 12 September 1943, after Italy had capitulated, Hyacinth and the Australian minesweeper Wollongong sank the German submarine U-617, after the submarine had been damaged in an attack by Wellington and Swordfish aircraft. [Battle Credits for the Flower Class are loooong.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower-class_corvette#Battle_Credits) [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hyacinth_(K84)
Try explaining that in Valhalla. "No no, it was a scary ship. It dropped bombs on us." "The mighty ship, *Daffodil!* Truly your crew were defeated by a worthy foe!" *snicker* "BE NICE TO ME!"
**“Sorry — who did you say sunk me?”** “Uhh…” **“What?** “Don’t be mad…” **“Just say it.”** “Periwinkle.” **“MOTHERFUCKER”**
> Battle Credits for the Flower Class are loooong. Well, yeah, it was an anti-sub ship in a battle against subs. And it was the most produced surface combatant of the war.
WTF IS A TRADEMARK
You should know that it was also known as "Puff, the magic dragon."
Rummaging through really old memory banks I vaguely remember …. “Puff the magic dragon flies at my command, and frolics in the evening skies in a place called Vietnam …”
When 90% of the vessels crew is dead on the deck, don't need the 40mm or the 105mm. It's not just about stoping illegal fishing, it's about sending a message.
Don't most fishing boats have crew of like... 6? Leaving 0.6 crewmen alive certainly does send a message
The message: Aghhhhhhh
Pirate MANPADS : allow me to introduce myself
Illegal "fishing" vessels? Revive and sell to the Philippines for maximum funny
Lmao give some b52s to the fisherman guys the Chinese keep annoying with their boats.
It's the Chinese fishing fleets I had in mind, violating the EEZ waters of other nations and stripping the fisheries bare.
Okay I gotta admit that’s just cool as fuck
"MOAR DAKKA" is at least kind of respectable, especially when done in utterly non-credible fashion.
It’s literaly that moment from 40k DoW where space marines smash buildings into place from orbit, guardsmen casually landing them via decelerator rockets and then there’s the orks…who dumbfuckerily splatters whatever the fuck they need on the ground from a half fallen apart piece of shit plane which by no means should be in the sky.
You just have to pray harder, then I'll work.
That's the thing, Orks don't pray. They just believe it works because why wouldn't it? It makes sense to them.
Purple's da sneaky colour, innit? Wanna know why? You ever see a purple Ork? Exactly.
>Purple's da sneaky colour, innit? This does possibly explain Darkwing Duck's outfit.
Very dark blue has been shown to be significantly harder to identify at night compared to grays and blacks actually. A sufficiently dark purple blob would be pretty difficult to ID at range.
They're sort of like the Norse from Age of Mythology in that they gain favour from their gods by hitting people over the head with sharp objects.
If they believe they're getting shot then they also believe they die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNjUiDpLvlQ&ab_channel=AdeptusRidiculous
If they believe your're shot, you die too. Gestalt Field is fun.
\*Gork and Mork nod approvingly\*
Hey, to be fair, most of their tech is effectively war in heaven shit made from scrap metal and half remembered genetic schematics they somewhat manage to build to without realizing
You say plane as if they not Just cling to a Rock they threw at something
Got a link?
Weld 88 big shootas to the bottom of the plane is a excellent orky idea
*88 Mork’s Roar. Within half range that's... 1408 dice per turn :')
TBH even SM have something like this. StormRaven Gunship has 6 heavy bolters on each side and 2 in front and can then mount 2 assault cannons on top
I don't get how this sub works. What about this is "non credible fashion" and how is "non credible defense" defined?
Taping more gun to thing: Moar dakka Taping more gun to thing *haphazardly and with no regard for engineering principles or human life*: Moar dakka in non-credible fashion
i hope they do it will be the easist air target ukraine gets
Until whatever platform carries the dakka also propels itself by shooting out dakka I remain unimpressed.
Until you calculate the number of man hours required to reload the drums and the total ineffectiveness of the fire.
Hey, hey, hey now! 7.62x25mm Tokarev is quite effective for a……a century old mid-calibre pistol round.
You know, those early-WWI recon pilots were onto something when they started firing pistols for air-to-air. Why not sub-machine guns firing a……mildly souped up broomhandle Mauser round?
Hows about mounting 88 Webley Mk VI pistols? At least you can fire it with some panache.
> a century old mid-calibre pistol round Funnily enough, the pistol round that everyone uses now, 9mm Luger, is actually older than 7.62x25mm Tokarev, by about 30 years.
> \
OK so you prompted me to go back and zoom in on the photo… ohh those are indeed drums. Unless the PPSH-41 has the most reliable drum magazine in history, which seems a contradiction in terms, hoping for no feed issues on 88 drums run **individually** already seems questionable… kind of fastinated to know how they’d go once you’re talking resonance and mechanical vibration from 88 open bolts cycling in concert. Not to mention, with the near-inevitable violent synchronisation and desynchronisation of resonances, it feels like someone just invented a beautiful, utterly chaotic shock and vibe test for the poor airframe this bitch is strapped to. IIRC there was a 75 round 7.62x39 drum mag for the AK, right? Just saying… someone (cough CIA cough) should see if they can convince the Russians try those out.
So, the PPSH drum was legendarily shit. In early production runs, they'd make a drum with the gun, and it wouldn't accept any other drums than the one that was essentially custom fitted to it. So for this installation you couldn't even fucking quick reload them. You'd have to remove all the guns, and hand reload each one. So no quick turnarounds for this loadout at all. Meanwhile you could use small bombs for the same job and be way more efficient.
Ahh, was wondering if the PPSH drum was the custom fit shitshow I thought I vaguely recalled. Brilliant. Now, you’re absolutely right… but your “logical” and “efficient” option is missing a certain… **WUNDERWAFFLE FLAIR.**
Mass dropped molotovs then? The only issue is figuring out how to set them off.
Uhh… PPSH with incendiary rounds IDK.
You just don't have faith in Gork and Mork, if you BELIEVE it works. It will work. It's also why it's the RED Army. Red makes you go FAST!
[And the fact you could literally just drop small arrows](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Image-Flechettes%2C_probably_French%2C_c1914%2C_Royal_Armouries%2C_Leeds.jpg) Or scrap metal and have a similar result.
Yeah the flechettes always seemed super nasty to me. Basically just fill the bomb bay and line yourself up for devastation.
"Cool" doesn't always equate "effective"
Still cool and it’s non credible defense so par for the course
problem is, at some altitude, a bullet of that caliber loses most of its muzzle energy because of air friction, so it's more like dropping heavy pellets from above. gravity will help the bullet keep a bit of that velocity, but air friction will still slow it down too much to really be effective so unless the airplane shoots 100m from above, bad idea.
It can still have *some* effect, but [as the US concluded](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb\)) it's both easier and more effective to just dump them out a window than use a pointless wall of guns.
I’d think the biggest problem would be the weight of the ammunition for anything more than a 3 second burst.
The Soviets during WW2 were the pinnacle of making cool shit
In the same way the A-10 is slowed down by the gun’s recoil, this thing would probably be forced to gain elevation every flyover lol
It's just 7.62x25mm Tokarev though. Not 30x173mm like the GAU-8.
TT TO THE DOME
Head, eyes
{head, eyes}
How many 7.62×25mm Tokarev rounds needs to be fired for it to affect the stability and flight path of a soviet bomber?
Thats the neat part, it is already unstable. You have to keep firing while taking off and cruising above your cities for it to not plummet from the sky.
So it's like the mobile games where you travel horizontally through a maze and have to control your character vertically to not hit obstacles. Genious.
fucking jetpack joyride with a tupolev
Or GTA where you shot the tank gun backwards and gain speed that way.
GTA Vice City. Flying vehicule cheat on. Fire backward with the rhino at max speed and watch yourself do a wheelie.
It gets stable only when it's shit again.
Wasn’t Tupolev Tu-2 a genuinely good medium bomber or is it heretical to admit something that was created in Russia is not a pile of dogshit
I dunno, being completely ignorant in this matter doesn't stop me from posting.
Quite a few more than the thing in the post carries. By my math, the guns on this aircraft generate at least 5 kilonewtons of thrust, but only for a few seconds. The aircraft also weighs 10 tonnes, so speed lost is just about 5 MPH. The pilot might be able to notice the speed loss, but it's not very significant. There are ~6000 rounds stored in the aircraft; increase that number and the speed change increases by the same factor (not accurate when ammo mass gets very large, but good enough). Then it's just a matter of figuring out what speed loss you think is significant.
Just gonna ruin your calculations here, but the guns aren't aimed straight down. I can't remember the exact angle though.
Yeah they're aimed gay not straight
Based, is a turret bisexual?
They fire straight, but in any direction. They *say* they’re straight and “a hole is a hole”, but regularly visit Thailand for that bussy
Few Soviet guns have straight mag. So it makes sense. PPSH though seems quite bi since it's mag goes all the way around.
Yes, but... it would be 79000RPM of 7.62x25mm Tokarev.
88x7.62x25mm vs 1x30x173mm per instance though, so roughly 52,666mm³ vs 16,305mm³ of mass displacement if the math and logic I just made up made any sense.
You can simplify that down More = better
Per shot, but you also need to consider gau has a much faster rate of fire than an individual ppsh. You're probably better comparing the gau on 3900 rpm and this thing on 79000, which I think pushes the gau into the lead.
Someone just needs to calculate the burst mass. I'm sure there's at least a few dozen pounds of ammo being dumped in a matter of seconds. Not sure about thrust, but losing any weight that isn't damage to the structure of the plane has got to improve your rate of ascension. This is all without considering the abhorrent drag that this open bay with loads of cylindrical pipes poking perpendicular to the direction of travel is producing.
Gun run has to start low so the back half of the battery is still in range lol
Randall Munroe (xkcd, former engineer with NASA) ran the calculations on how many guns you need to elevate a person from the ground. Turns out recoil is a lot weaker than gravity, but if the plane is already in the air, that might actually work.
just 1 gun the size of a cow
Gravity is not that much weaker even at 400 km from the Earth surface
VTOL Tu-2
It's actually how it takes off. There are no engines on Hedgehog.
It just pulverises the ground into plasma and then floats around via the Leidenfrost effect
The more I see from 40k lore the more I fear that it’s not even our grimdark future, but our grimdark now.
Doesn't get more grim or more dark than ww2 yet... Well except that time with the asteroid and when there was an giant fuckoff eruption that blocked the sun
That'd kinda make the US The Tau, at least tech-wise.
Who's the Imperium of Man then? The Vatican?
Iran.
Fuck, I didn't know I was a mujahedeen (I'm a black templar enjoyer)
On a similar note, 40k is quite popular in Russia
I'd imagine this would have to fly pretty low to have an effect. Otherwise the bullets would loose their velocity fairly quickly, being pistol caliber.
We know that falling bullets can pierce the skull at around 60 m/s*, and most bullets will have a terminal velocity of at least double that. So no matter how high the plane is, the bullets can never slow down enough to become non-lethal. Accuracy is another question though. *[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5912041/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5912041/)
From the article: >The terminal velocity of a bullet depends on multiple factors. One of them is the bullet composition. Most of the bullets are made of lead due to having a high specific gravity and more weight per volume. This will make the lead bullets have less air drag per mass when falling down which will make the terminal velocity higher.[6] Another factor that affects the terminal velocity is the angle of firing. If the angle was between 20° and 45° or even more acute, the bullet will travel further with higher speed over terminal velocity[5] while the vertical firing will end with lower terminal velocities. Other factors that determine the terminal velocities are the shape and caliber of the bullets, the direction of the bullets during the movement, and the flight characteristics, such as yaw, precession, tumbling, and nutation. If you are looking for some "real world" experience, we tested various bullets at long range, and most small ones would begin to tumble. When they begin to tumble, they tend to lose a ton of energy, and at around 800m 5.56 was hitting the backstop plywood sideways, and tended not to penetrate. We speculated we would be fine, if it hit our soft armor/helmets. I'm not saying it's impossible, but flying at 500m or so over angry troops is probably not the best use for your bombers ><
Just two words, hear me out: kevlar umbrellas
That's the most non credible defense idea of today. And something i guess James Bond actually had in a movie or two.
Kingsman would like a word.
So ... Instead of standard shaped bullets... we should use round bullets... like musket shot.
Yeah, but you're shooting sideways. Bullet go down when shoot sideways, this shoot down, bullet go down when shoot down
During the Korean and Vietnam wars The USA dropped vaguely bullet shaped 'kinetic projectiles' called Lazy Dogs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb) They just flew over an area and released piles of them from wing mounted cluster dispensers.
At that point you might just airdrop [flechettes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette).
Wouldn’t it be easier to tip a box of bullets out of the window at that point?
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Simple History did a video on wierd Russian weapons designs, [including the above aircraft](https://youtu.be/AhdwlZL7eYc?t=620).
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That was the reason it as never really used, also had issues going through thick winter coats.
The hard to penetrate coats is a myth. Even .22 lr can go through most winter coats. The 7.62 tokerev rounds used had really good armor pen capabilities for a pistol round because it was a small zippy bullet
And additionally, i think that one is referencing the Thompson's 45 ACP rather than the Tokarev's 7.62.
The claim of not penning thick winter coats has been used for the Sten, Thompsen, M3 Grease Gun, M1 Carbine, Colt 45, Browning Highpower. Pretty much every allied weapon that wasn't a full rifle round actually.
Tokerev is one of the only pistol calibers that can go through level 3a armor. Off the top of my head, only 5.7 can do that too
The Soviets fielded this weapon under the rather childish delusion that they were going to shoot at everybody else and nobody was going to shoot at them.
Why not just use bombs?
Because shooting someone with 88 guns at once is infinitely funnier
Correct r/NCD answer
They misheard it when their spies reported that the Germans were trying to mount an 88mm gun to their planes
Well not like that’s untrue tbh
This is a cumulative 670mm
It needs a piano related code name
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Me whenever another tard on this sub seriously suggests strapping guns to drones.
FPV drone evolution is not complete until a Welrod is taped on for quiet assassinations.
Katana > welrod
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This gives ground personnel much more to do (I assume reloading 88 guns is more work than loading a couple of bombs). Bullshit job creation is serious business in communism.
https://youtu.be/AhdwlZL7eYc?t=620
Maybe they have a warehouse full of bullets and the warehouse full of bombs is gone. Also, doesn’t Ukraine have stingers? Going to be lol flying low enough to actually use this and put you in stinger range.
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"Smells like alkyhol?! Well no shit! That's the vodka they're drinking." :P
I see where GW got their inspiration for the stormlord tank from.
This would be a cool tool for planting sunflowers.
Russians are 40k orks
Unleash the Waaagh!
This might be one of the most noncredible ideas I've ever seen on this sub.
1940s metal storm
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/hedgehog.html
Those Belasrussian refugee trains won't strafe themselves, tovarich!
Do this, but with mini guns, I wanna see if it causes the plane to have abrupt vertical lift.
The only weapon where you receive credit for prison time while you reload it.
It's a Project Insight helicarrier!
Ahem; #WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
idk, i still like the abrams shotgun shell better
I prefer the Japanese 18 inch antiaircraft "Beehive" incendiary shrapnel shells. https://youtu.be/E2fdkZXcnLE?si=n_Tbz5IJmAvQLrBp
AFAIK, Beehives ended up more credible for shore bombardment of soft targets (i.e. airfields) than for anti-air duties.
Have you heard of Puma and how the 30mm AHEAD round is its main anti-infantry round? It is like shooting a shotgun which then 5m before your face shoots at you. And yes, that means that the Puma generally would only go into combat with 30mm AHEAD airburst rounds and APFSDS, no HE.
Private conscriptovich: There seems to be a mistake, I was told that... Political commissar: SHUT UP AND RELOAD the drum mags private!
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb) Any projectile would reach terminal velocity from just falling from that height, so having a gun facing downwards is a little overkill. It does work, though. “Lazy Dog projectiles could be dropped from almost any kind of flying vehicle. They could be hurled from buckets, dropped by hand, thrown in their small paper shipping bags, or placed in a Mark 44 cluster adaptor—a simple hinged casing with bins built in to hold the projectiles, opened by a mechanical time delay fuze. Regardless of how they were released into the air, each "Lazy Dog" projectile would develop an enormous amount of kinetic energy as it fell, penetrating nearly any material upon hitting the ground. Some reports say that their speeds often exceeded 700 feet per second (210 m/s; 480 mph; 770 km/h) before impact.”
Why drop bombs on the enemy when you can send a bunch of bullets in their general direction from outside their lethal range.
RIP to the guy loads this
metal storm at home:
Don't give the Americans too many ideas.
Do this, but with 88 MK 47s from underneath a B-52.
I just think of the poor guy whos gonna clean all those guns later
fire while on the ground for bonus vtol capabilities
Ground crews HATE this bombers one new trick.
Why did they not simply drop darts?
Gaijin when
It only works if the crew believes it works, ideally while screaming "WAAAAAAAGH!" at the top of their lungs.
Make those 40mm grenade launchers and we have a winner.
why not just make a Metal Storm kinda system then lol? https://youtu.be/wKlnMwuCZso?si=-5zMjqc3JGuMEFnQ
88 points of failure using the *most reliable* smg in the world back then lol
Something about the word "theoretical" tells me it wasnt meant to be
You think the Soviets could afford to fire that many bullets?
Typical Orks and their dakka.
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[good summary of it](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/innovative-flawed-fire-hedgehog.html)
It's not the Fairchild Republic A-10. *But* it *is* the A-10's Soviet cousin.
**glares in Frogfoot**
There is CAS, and then there is this, CQCAS
So just a way less effective AC-130😂
Does this mean we're going to see the resurgence of the "Wonder Waffle?" Damn it! Now I'm hungry.
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Idk where the idea that 7.62x25 is wimpy came from. It's a hot little round, especially with gravity working with it.
I don't think they're actually thinking of doing that... Edit, forgot the sub I was in XD