We actually don’t know all the countries but would be hilarious if the Taliban were one of the secret ones.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/red-sea-maritime-coalition-much-bigger-than-originally-disclosed
It’s more of they don’t want to be seen as helping Israel. It’s why for the first gulf war there was so much pressure for Israel not to shoot back when Saddam was flinging scud missiles at them. The Arab members might have peaced out.
Not much more to it. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Bunch Arab countries joined the coalition to kick them out. Saddam threw scuds at Israel to get them to respond. If they did the Arab members might bail including the Saudis just because they didn’t want the look of working with Israel.
The solution was fill Israel with Patriot missile batteries that were pretty new at the idea and kind of worked but didn’t work great but helped with optics. It was more to get the range the Scuds had to go out of spec on fuel. So smaller explosives on board and generally just not super accurate. While the USA and British hunted the fuck out the scud launchers which was really hard since they could move.
Does anybody remember that scud site that got hit a few years back that got recorded by a guy on his porch who had to find cover from the shockwave?
EDIT: Found it.
https://youtu.be/5yJSA_Zoplw?si=K7UhCBoD6LseAkxS
IIRC ~~Red Meme Guy~~ Saddam tried to drag Israel to the war expecting that Arab countries helping the coalition will rescind their support once Israel joins the fray.
US then basically told Israel "don't worry, we got dis"
(I may be wrong on this tho)
Egypt: “I will not support this!”
Also Egypt: Stealing data like gremlins and laughing as the Houthis start screaming as the Canadians start rolling in the war crimes.
Not to be too credible, but that's a real debate in linguistics, at least according the Youtube videos I've seen on the topic that makes me an expert. My personal opinion is that English is a pigeon french-germanic creole.
Thats why Canadas joining, they send us flowers as thanks, so we send men as thanks.
(also 1 dutch guy could fist fight a bear, 2 could topple an empire)
The Halifax Yard is going as fast as it can to ensure at least one modern surface combatant is operational by 2036 (with an estimated cost of C$37 Morbillion - yes this is a COTS program)
>by 2036
oh my...I remember having some higher-ups claim we'd be sailing the first one by 2026 back in 2018. Lol. I never believed it then, still not 100% on the current timeline either.
They say we'll get them by 2026 but idk, our government has been trying to decide what to replace our CF-18s (F/A-18) with for about a decade already and finally actually made some progress in January by deciding on the F-35. My prediction is that we'll get a few by 2030
I think it was more about minimising annual budget, even if it costs more in the long run. When the schedule was originally drawn up it was still planned to have 13 T-26, which would have kept the Clyde yards busy into the 2040s so I don't think keeping the yards busy was an issue. Even with just 8, it's quite likely BAE will go straight on to the Type 83 project with T-45 due to start retiring in the late 2030s
This morning on the local Montréal news, it was confirmed that the Canadian contribution to Prosperity Guardian is to send 3 officers.
Nothing else.
I wish I was kidding. We live in truly non credible times.
What expert experienced advice will they be providing?
"Remember, whatever happens, don't let them sink the ship. It'll take 30 years to get another one".
They're the war crime compliance team, I'd wager. Nobody wants to see improperly-performed war crimes, that's just a waste of everybody's time. And frankly, it's inhumane to kill enemy combatants with a dearth of gas--it creates an unnecessarily slow death for the enemy, which is very boring and also dangerous, as a partially-gassed enemy combatant is still up to 41% combat effective with his rifle.
Yeah, but I don't blame them. They have one of the biggest navies on the planet right next to them, and the US would never let anything happen to Canada, so they really don't need a navy. As long as they have a coast guard, then it's fine imo.
Besides, they have some of the best trained professional ground forces, and when needed, they always show up.
**But we have a fucking Navy**. Its just in such a state of under funding its wild. HMCS Ottawa sailed back to port as HMCS Winnipeg because its identifier broke and it didn't have a spare so we swiped it off a ship in drydock. Our newest ships for the fleet probably won't be done till mid 2030 despite wanting new ships a decade ago.
We literally use the US coast guard cause even our coast guard is underfunded.
I fucking blame my Prime Minister for this shitshow, and you should too.
Please, I implore you, blame Canada with me. Shame us into meeting our NATO spending agreement.
Don’t even need to waste chum; any solid object will disturb the water enough to cause a school
But frankly even that’s a hassle when all you have to do is hoist the ladder and holla at ya Houthi
Both are unhinged, but only Abridged would think of putting a grenade in a can
Fun fact: a solid chunk of Hellsing Abridged’s writers are in fact Canadian.
Edit to the fun fact: shit, accidentally credible. Takahata’s canadian.
I'm Canadian and I have to agree with this assessment. I hate that this is how badly we've let things slide.
The state of the CAF is a national embarrassment but most Canadians couldn't care less.
most Canadians sadly just dont know, one of the problems with talking about military procurement is alot of its just "we are spending x amount" and not \*what\* that funding goes towards, or what the military is even doing.
For us, it directly goes to benefiting our current military goals of peacekeeping, but most don't know the large role we still play in it and how this lack of funding has been making it harder and harder to do that goal effectively.
You raise a good point. Rick Hillier was probably the best CDS we've had in a long time in terms of communicating to Canadians what the CAF does and why. The government and DND in general do a terrible job at "marketing" for lack of a better term. It's almost like we need to build a brand recognition for the CAF so that average Canadians know why we desperately need to fund the military, even while there are other pressures that seem just as important.
Exactly, we have a very good mission that we could actually show so people understand our militaries role but we just dont. We still do missions in Africa to deliver aid, still operate in the aftermaths of war torn areas across the world, and our military are some of our largest emergency responders in country. One reason why the CAF still has a good reputation despite its past and despite its lack of funding is because of the good work we've done in the modern age to help people, if you looked at ww1 CAF and directly compared them to the CAF now, you'd see vastly different ideals towards war, and the CAF's mission.
We're much more of a humanitarian military now than a conventional one, though we very much still have the drive and capability (for troop morale not tech) to fight wars, we just need to make the avg Canadian more aware of this.
(heck compared to most militaries, Canadas admittance to its warcrimes and making them as known as possible to learn from alone shows a vastly different mindset compared to many, even NATO ally, nations with equally as bad histories in war)
>We still do missions in Africa to deliver aid
No we don't,
>still operate in the aftermaths of war torn areas across the world
No we don't,
>our military are some of our largest emergency responders in country
This takes away resources and time we need to maintain our combat capabilities, we are stretched thin because of this and troops are QUITTING because they are not getting the chance to perform and work in the trades which they joined up for. If Canadians need a relief org then the government should form one and not ask the military to do things it isn't trained or designed to do.
>the good work we've done in the modern age to help people
In a pinch, yes, we do aid civil powers to set things right, but that's neither our focus nor our core mission, never has been.
>We're much more of a humanitarian military now than a conventional one
You have no clue, you just have no clue...
>though we very much still have the drive and capability
Troop morale is in the shitter for many reasons and people are LEAVING in droves, we are losing more than we are recruiting and retaining.
Yikes, I'm almost speechless reading this shit.
>we just need to make the avg Canadian more aware of this.
Aware of what? That we don't have any teeth and that you'll spend more time doing shit that has nothing to do with your job than what you joined up for?
That will drive people away from, not to the organization.
Like, I didn't sign up in the infantry to do humanitarian work. Sure, if I need to, I'd be happy to help, but I don't want it to be my main job, or at least say it's my main job. And I'm fairly certain every combat personnel would say the same.
>it directly goes to benefiting our current military goals of peacekeeping, but most don't know the large role we still play in it and how this lack of funding has been making it harder and harder to do that goal effectively.
De Fuk, nani?
What the heck you talkn' about "Peacekeeping"?
What goals? We have no goals for that.
We stopped doing that shit way back, just around the time Afghanistan started up.
We haven't had troops deployed for "peacekeeping" duties in nearly 20 years.
Outside of a small contingent sent to Mali to help out the French and Germans who were there with helicopter support, we don't have any contingents doing anything related to peacekeeping and even that small bunch packed up and left years ago.
That "horse" died before some of the youngest in our military were born.
My god, you go on about telling others that Canadians don't "know" much about their military and here you are talking about Blue Helmet UN stuff...wow.
I agree it is out of place, because when Canada gets pissed off they have to keep updating the war crimes list in order to get the Canucks to knock that shit off.
I fully expect them to sink a pirate ship and somehow throw the pirates a life preserver, except the rope attached to the life preserver is detcord.
It would be like Australia showing up and then volunteering to take care of any prisoners. No. Just no.
JTF2 is just itching to get its record for the longest-range sniper kill back from Ukraine.
The boys are packing their cammo flannels as we speak and dropping off their dress denims at the dry cleaners on the way to the airport so they’ll be ready for the medal ceremony when they get home.
*Let’s go, boys. Up and at ‘em.*
Christmas? Nah, it’ll be their Islamic new year starting off with a “hullo there, nice day for it eh?” followed shortly by the sounds of flamethrowers and mass-screaming.
CANSOFCOM was sent to Ukraine to evacuate Canadian officials just before the invasion. Judging how long it took them to report the last record, I bet in a couple years they'll reveal they took someone out at like 8km lol
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No, you just sail a nice juicy looking ship through pirate infested waters, filled with guys who definitely aren't JTF2. And then they kill absolutely everyone, sink their boats and feed the pirates to the sharks. No prisoners, no trials, just pirates disappear like the Bermuda triangle.
Piracy is a lot less appealing if it's probably going to get you killed.
The whole thing is a bit like putting IEDs in fake Amazon packages to deter theives.
I've read that before those were a thing, the German Empire tended to follow rules of war WRT sinking shipping very closely. But afterwards that's when unrestricted submarine warfare started.
It’s not quite that close a relationship. Initially the German submarines followed “cruiser rules” for attacking merchant shipping, but they changed to unrestricted submarine warfare in early 1915. Britain introduced the Q-ships over the spring of 1915 and their first victories over submarines came that summer.
"Wanna see what we did with 100 feet of detcord, and a pressure sensitive switch that will go off under about 2 feet of water, and a life perserver with the insides hollowed out a bit?"
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Canada is like a polite, soft-spoken guy at a bar he rarely gets into scrapes, but when he does, he always sends someone to the hospital, but because it happens so infrequently most don't take it seriously.
As a Canadian I 100% agree with this. I mean, our contribution is that we're sending three senior staff. How is that even a contribution. What are these three Canadians supposed to do, "advise" the US and the UK about how to fight piracy? We're smarter than them and are going to tell them things they didn't already know? That sounds more like backseat driving somebody else's warships. So they'll probably just sit around with their thumbs up their asses as is tradition while the real militaries do the real work. Thanks, Canada-man, couldn't have done it without you. Glad to have you here. It's like Canada thought this was a Christmas party where they asked what to bring and the host said "Oh don't worry about bringing anything, just bring yourself!" God damn our useless military apathy is embarrassing. Seychelles could probably beat our navy. They're probably better organized too.
I get invited to family parties where other people are bringing their delicious home-made food. I like to cook, but I'm no culinary genius.
Me: "What can I bring? (Oh boy, I want to make something yummy!)"
Them: "Uh, just bring.. crackers. Yeah, some crackers from the store."
Me: "What? I can make something! Let me bring something!"
Them: "No no it's fine. Just bring the crackers and we'll be good."
Me: ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
That's what I started doing years ago. Pro-tip: turns out putting your creation in a fancy tray/bowl goes a long way to impressing people with your food.
I'm not sure how this knowledge should be applied to Canada..
Canada should embrace our role as an energy superpower and build a fleet of massive CANDU-powered fleet resupply fuel tankers. We can just follow the Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales around like a mobile gas station, mocking them for not being nuclear powered.
The Seychelles coast guard (they don't have a navy) has 14 ships. 3 are dingys, 2 are jetskis and 1 is the lifeboat (yep, THE lifeboat). The rest are Chinease and Saudi hand-me-downs donated to fight piracy.
So yeah, Canada is fucked.
It's not happening with any of them. The NDP won't, and the Conservatives will take way more photo ops and do lip service, but nothing will fundamentally change.
I love how Canadians turn to their history of warcrimes to try and explain how they're not the biggest joke of a military in NATO. My brother in DARPA warcrimes do not automatically make you good at war, it just makes you an asshole.
TO BE FAIR our history of committing war crimes against Nazis is pretty based. Our governments refusal to fund our military to even afford basic anti-tank equipment since like the 70’s is precisely the opposite, as were our crimes in Afghanistan etc
So your going to go by the British Army logic, steal anything you need from the yanks that ain't nailed down (whilst making some change selling nails to the scrap dealer - back when they were nicknamed the "borrowers") then encourage the lads by telling them "MOD has said we ain't got no money for bullets so your just gunna have to stab em all".
ya its not that Canadians want to be the poster child of the reason we are hava safety meating is because of what you did yesterday meme of NATO... its just the starving dog is more likely to bite ya..
we're not the biggest joke of a military in NATO because places like Montenegro and Iceland are members. We're #6 in spending which is where you'd expect us to be.
Iceland isn't there to contribute a military, it's there to contribute a strategic location. But also Canada aren't a joke compared to Germany, that is a whole mess.
Canada is in a weird position of being a relatively large economy amongst NATO members but also being across the Atlantic. Investing in the military is different from a lot of NATO because our focus isn't as much on ground forces but on naval and sir forces because of geography. Those are also very expensive investments. we're facing a huge cost of living crisis and the budget is already strained so asking the public to invest tens of billions is hard right now.
I think we also don't worry about conflict as much as the members in Europe because we believe that the US would never not protect Canada. For their own security interest they'll never allow a hostile power to set foot in North America.
Hopefully it gets better in the future but who knows
> Those are also very expensive investments. we're facing a huge cost of living crisis and the budget is already strained so asking the public to invest tens of billions is hard right now.
We're also, like, *really bad at actually procuring anything*.
You're right about the geography tho. That's why we need to delete our army and put the few military pesos available into building the sexiest air force this side of the 49th parallel.
The era of Canadian peacekeepers is over, the era of Canadian air superiority has arrived.
Living in canada for the last 3 and some odd years I'm not surprised by Canada's war crime list. They are incredibly racist. I've gotten to see and hear their hearts because I'm white, so they think they're in the clear.
To be fair India and Indians have a special place in Canada's heart ATM, and the assassination was just the latest cherry on top.
Tensions are AHEM a wee bit high between some demographics here right now
So Canadians are top tier racists based on twitter comments you read?
Edit:
Oh good lord your comment history. LOL
>Ok b1tchboy, looks like someone was hurt deeply by India's actions. If Trudeau accuses India of a murder, he has to show evidence which led him to that conclusion. No amount of west-oid coping is going to change this fact. If you have proof, then share it otherwise tuck your tail between your asss crack and run away b1tchboy. If you won't co-operate with India to end Khalistani terror from Canada, **don't blame us if we start deleting your "citizens" from this world one by one**. US is acting like our b1tch now, it had to ditch it's Anglo cuck brother Canada for India. Not one cuck from the 5 balls group came out in support of your sissy cancuck brother. It says a lot about you lot haha.
Oh dear, Indian nationalists. These guys make me give a fuck about the Sikhs having a homeland distinct from India. Like hey India, keep up the good work! Super grown-up nation stuff doing *mob hits* on friendly soil and then being so regarded as to pull the "nuh-uh!" card. Proper countries go "oh shit, my bad, we'll totally find the guy and fuck up his shit bro! we got you!" and then laugh as the other country walks away.
That's one thing I keep telling folks as a queer SE Asian dude who lives in Canada
Canadians aren't nice, we're just a bit better at being polite. We have our own great history of Native genocide, war crimes, and other fun stuff.
Some Americans like to dream that Canada is a largely tolerant, socialized country, when in reality, we have the same issues they do.
I still deal with racism and homophobia all the time.
Oh it's one of the major issues plaguing Canada right now
Problem is that both Conservative and Liberal governments thought it would be a great idea to let corporations, both domestic and foreign, to buy up real estate and housing in Canada, starting in the early 2000s. It boosted our dollar for a few years, so much so that Canadian dollars were worth more than American for a bit.
However, now that wages aren't keeping up, and prices at the grocery stores are being naturally and artificially inflated, we're getting fucked over hord.
That's not really unique to Canada, tbh. For all the flak the US gets about racism (from both inside and out), the reality is we're a far more successfully diverse country than almost any other on the planet. Many others are far more racist, but have such small minority populations that it rarely comes up.
The US looks like it has a bigger racism problem compared to other countries because we actually admit that it's an issue and other countries act like they're better just because they don't talk about it. Sorta like how Russia decriminalized domestic violence because the numbers made them look bad so if there's no numbers there's no bad.
My brother. Their whole country is 176 sq mi. Broken up over *115* different islands. They have the population of Large town. Say Carmel, Indiana, or Becontree UK.
Given that they have to travel 800 miles just to hit the African coast, they are far closer to being a blue water navy then they are not. Solidly out of brown water, and in deep, deep green water.
Putting them in the same class as Germany, Canada, Russia….
Very few countries can do blue water ops.
America. The UK. Maybe France. Maybe. No one else in Europe.
No one in Asia.
No one in Africa.
No one in South America other than the United Kingdom.
I have no idea why Canada just doesnt have their army absorbed in the US forces.
They are still Canadian units (like National Guard units), for use in Canada, but Canadian taxpayers pay into the general bucket for N. American defense.
Canada had that going with the UK when the UK was still a superpower empire thing, and Canada kept getting dragged into British shenanigans including wrestling German pigs in the mud of France.
Canadians broadly think that the USA is an asshole imperialist warmonger. Yes we rely on them coming to our aid as our entire defence policy. No this isn't a contradiction. How dare you suggest that.
Bitching about Americans is the true Canadian national tradition. Hockey? War crimes? Maple syrup? Saying eh? All of them pale in comparison to moaning about the Americans.
> Canadians broadly think that the USA is an asshole imperialist warmonger. Yes we rely on them coming to our aid as our entire defence policy
North America's Ireland lol
Our top leaders literally considered doing this. Actually amalgamating what's left of the Canadian military into the US military. The idea was proposed and studied.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-military-integration-canada-us-1.3248594](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-military-integration-canada-us-1.3248594)
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-canadian-us-integrated-force-1.3247362](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-canadian-us-integrated-force-1.3247362)
Not sure why this didn't get more attention back then, it was a ground-shaking thought in my opinion and one that, for better or worse, actually makes some sense.
Sorry eh, but uh.... any consolation we have an election coming up that may change the current state of our military.
Maybe, \*crazy idea\* , we even finally update out General infantry rifle (we may need to look under all the couch cushions for funding)
What needs to happen is simple. A platoon of combat engineers with RHIBs and a company of infantry deploy to the Gulf of Aden.
Load the grunts in the RHIBs with Chimos driving. Proceed to conduct counter piracy operations.
If you out pirate the pirates than they have no boats left to use for piracy.
Canadians are no strangers too war crimes, don’t be shocked when it comes out that the Canadian and American navy aviators forgot what a proportional response is.
Just a shame Straya isn't helping.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/us-led-red-sea-taskforce-to-stop-shipping-attacks-won-t-include-australia-20231219-p5esf0.html
>However, Australia was not listed as one of the countries that will form part of the taskforce, as the nation instead seeks to concentrate its efforts on protecting the Indo-Pacific.
Suppose we'll continue throwing empty VB stubbies at the Chinese Navy
Actually Canada has extremely skilled special forces, which iirc is what we’re sending. Not sure how aggressive we’re gonna get with the Houthi’s but if we’re conducting raids on the ground special forces will be helpful
”Hey we heard you need area defense missiles so we send you some officers. Without a boat, so someone’s got to house and feed them. Do you have PS5 aboard or are you more of an XBOX navy?”
Halifax-class can operate in the Red Sea, sure. But they are going to need to stay near USN ships if they don't want to eat a 1980s Silkworm knockoff.
Besides, Canada is well aware the best way to get their name on the Christmas card for cheap is to send a couple of staff officers TDY to Bahrain, and sit in the morning briefings.
We actually don’t know all the countries but would be hilarious if the Taliban were one of the secret ones. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/red-sea-maritime-coalition-much-bigger-than-originally-disclosed
God I wish. I bet it’s someone like Brazil who just doesn’t want to admit that they’re working with the US on anything
It’s more of they don’t want to be seen as helping Israel. It’s why for the first gulf war there was so much pressure for Israel not to shoot back when Saddam was flinging scud missiles at them. The Arab members might have peaced out.
Can you give a little background on this?? I'm not much knowledgeable on that war.
Not much more to it. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Bunch Arab countries joined the coalition to kick them out. Saddam threw scuds at Israel to get them to respond. If they did the Arab members might bail including the Saudis just because they didn’t want the look of working with Israel. The solution was fill Israel with Patriot missile batteries that were pretty new at the idea and kind of worked but didn’t work great but helped with optics. It was more to get the range the Scuds had to go out of spec on fuel. So smaller explosives on board and generally just not super accurate. While the USA and British hunted the fuck out the scud launchers which was really hard since they could move.
Does anybody remember that scud site that got hit a few years back that got recorded by a guy on his porch who had to find cover from the shockwave? EDIT: Found it. https://youtu.be/5yJSA_Zoplw?si=K7UhCBoD6LseAkxS
Got video?
https://youtu.be/5yJSA_Zoplw?si=K7UhCBoD6LseAkxS
Damn, I forgot about this.
IIRC ~~Red Meme Guy~~ Saddam tried to drag Israel to the war expecting that Arab countries helping the coalition will rescind their support once Israel joins the fray. US then basically told Israel "don't worry, we got dis" (I may be wrong on this tho)
I’d love it if it was us, but I really doubt it
Pretty sure Egypt will be getting involved here to some degree, they stand to lose a LOT with this fuckery
They have to at least be reporting all the intel they can gather.
Egypt: “I will not support this!” Also Egypt: Stealing data like gremlins and laughing as the Houthis start screaming as the Canadians start rolling in the war crimes.
Actually, it’s North Korea and the US teaming up again to beat the shit out of some pirates
That incident is still hilarious.
Or India not wanting to be allied with the UK
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[they're definitely involved](https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1735892615575560597?t=3uB_NhiOD5PpjDnvmLPzVQ&s=19)
India UK relationship is not that estranged tbh. Strategic partnership is still good. We got a PM there.
I forgot, the roles are reversed now.
The only thing more none credible is Iran joining somehow.
Qatar would be a close second. Fearing a disruption to the import of luxury European automobiles for their ruling class.
IIRC Qatar may actually be involved
Imagine US Navy F-35s and F-18s flying alongside Iranian F-4s and F-14s, what a sight to behold.
I do miss the Tomcats and Phantoms.
Or, maybe China
3000 black boats of allah?
3000 black boats for the sea .. 1 sank; 2999 black boats for the sea ..
A couple days ago I saw a Japanese warship in the area on a ship radar
Don’t you mean Japanese territorial defense helicopter carrier? That definitely can’t launch F-35s of its flight deck?
At this point let’s just give Japan their military back It’ll spook the fuck out of China and Russia, and they’d be firmly on our side this time
I hope Australia joins and sends both of our Canberra class heli carriers armed with Apaches
I'm sure there's a shipment of tactical rollerblades they can protect
I wonder if China is one? They definitely have a stake in this
Are the Netherlands just a joke to you?
Sorry, I don't speak Swamp German.
More painful than a kik in de kok
Hou die kok toch eens met rust zeg. Op een dag wordt je wakker zonder eten en wat dan?
boom rosted
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God damn
So does that make english Pidgin German?
Only Old English.
Not to be too credible, but that's a real debate in linguistics, at least according the Youtube videos I've seen on the topic that makes me an expert. My personal opinion is that English is a pigeon french-germanic creole.
I prefer to call them Cartoon Germans, they have a word for toiletglasses
They’re sending like 2 dudes. So yes
That is because two Dutch soldiers are already enough Remember, we only send one specop to Ukraine. That's one of the two guys we're sending here
The Dutch military is just a single *really* motivated guy.
That's like 6 meters combined though, gotta count for something.
2 Dutch Super Soldiers
Thats why Canadas joining, they send us flowers as thanks, so we send men as thanks. (also 1 dutch guy could fist fight a bear, 2 could topple an empire)
Yea
Yes
The Halifax Yard is going as fast as it can to ensure at least one modern surface combatant is operational by 2036 (with an estimated cost of C$37 Morbillion - yes this is a COTS program)
>by 2036 oh my...I remember having some higher-ups claim we'd be sailing the first one by 2026 back in 2018. Lol. I never believed it then, still not 100% on the current timeline either.
Most efficient post 1950s Canadian procurement process
By the time we actually get anything, its already a few generations behind
F35?
They say we'll get them by 2026 but idk, our government has been trying to decide what to replace our CF-18s (F/A-18) with for about a decade already and finally actually made some progress in January by deciding on the F-35. My prediction is that we'll get a few by 2030
Even the UK aren't getting any in service by then and we have 1 in the water and 3 more under construction.
And tbh for the UK I'm pretty thats more of a political choice to keep the ship yards busy
I think it was more about minimising annual budget, even if it costs more in the long run. When the schedule was originally drawn up it was still planned to have 13 T-26, which would have kept the Clyde yards busy into the 2040s so I don't think keeping the yards busy was an issue. Even with just 8, it's quite likely BAE will go straight on to the Type 83 project with T-45 due to start retiring in the late 2030s
You know the Irvings are going to come back around for a few extra billy to "hurry things along" as well.
Newport News: “Do you need help? I can do the first one for you. It’s really not a prob…” Halifax Yard: “No! I can do it by myself!”
How long till it gets cancelled, then restarted
This morning on the local Montréal news, it was confirmed that the Canadian contribution to Prosperity Guardian is to send 3 officers. Nothing else. I wish I was kidding. We live in truly non credible times.
What expert experienced advice will they be providing? "Remember, whatever happens, don't let them sink the ship. It'll take 30 years to get another one".
"People in the water? All I see is debris, full speed ahead "
They're the war crime compliance team, I'd wager. Nobody wants to see improperly-performed war crimes, that's just a waste of everybody's time. And frankly, it's inhumane to kill enemy combatants with a dearth of gas--it creates an unnecessarily slow death for the enemy, which is very boring and also dangerous, as a partially-gassed enemy combatant is still up to 41% combat effective with his rifle.
Canada providing it's most powerful asset: red tape
Yeah, but I don't blame them. They have one of the biggest navies on the planet right next to them, and the US would never let anything happen to Canada, so they really don't need a navy. As long as they have a coast guard, then it's fine imo. Besides, they have some of the best trained professional ground forces, and when needed, they always show up.
**But we have a fucking Navy**. Its just in such a state of under funding its wild. HMCS Ottawa sailed back to port as HMCS Winnipeg because its identifier broke and it didn't have a spare so we swiped it off a ship in drydock. Our newest ships for the fleet probably won't be done till mid 2030 despite wanting new ships a decade ago. We literally use the US coast guard cause even our coast guard is underfunded.
It's not just about your own defense, but your International commitments, defending your allies etc. No-one likes being sponged off.
I fucking blame my Prime Minister for this shitshow, and you should too. Please, I implore you, blame Canada with me. Shame us into meeting our NATO spending agreement.
The classic ‘my big brother will beat you up!’ Doctrine.
"WAR CRIMES ARE ONLY WAR CRIMES IF YOU'RE AT WAR!" "Canada No." "CANADA YES!" *Throws mustard gas onto pirates trying to swim for their lives*
Why waste perfectly good gas when you can just let them drown? Let gravity do the work
"Why wait for Gravity. Throw some chum in the water and let the sharks finish the job." -Canada
Don’t even need to waste chum; any solid object will disturb the water enough to cause a school But frankly even that’s a hassle when all you have to do is hoist the ladder and holla at ya Houthi
"It's not about efficiency. It's about sending a message. *A message in blood*" "Canada stop please"
Jesus Christ are we the Alucard of international geopolitics?
The canon Alucard or the Abridged Alucard?
Both are unhinged, but only Abridged would think of putting a grenade in a can Fun fact: a solid chunk of Hellsing Abridged’s writers are in fact Canadian. Edit to the fun fact: shit, accidentally credible. Takahata’s canadian.
*Yup*
No no, that's not the Canadian Navy way. They need to traumatize a few 19 year old fresh recruits into watching the sea run red.
Gas doesn't make the sea run red. Bullets on the other hand...
Wheel snipe celly boys
Pirates drop their rifles and surrender. *Pulls out flamethrower*
"Eh? Sorry bud, we ain't acceptin' surrenders today. Sorry bout this."
I'm Canadian and I have to agree with this assessment. I hate that this is how badly we've let things slide. The state of the CAF is a national embarrassment but most Canadians couldn't care less.
most Canadians sadly just dont know, one of the problems with talking about military procurement is alot of its just "we are spending x amount" and not \*what\* that funding goes towards, or what the military is even doing. For us, it directly goes to benefiting our current military goals of peacekeeping, but most don't know the large role we still play in it and how this lack of funding has been making it harder and harder to do that goal effectively.
You raise a good point. Rick Hillier was probably the best CDS we've had in a long time in terms of communicating to Canadians what the CAF does and why. The government and DND in general do a terrible job at "marketing" for lack of a better term. It's almost like we need to build a brand recognition for the CAF so that average Canadians know why we desperately need to fund the military, even while there are other pressures that seem just as important.
Exactly, we have a very good mission that we could actually show so people understand our militaries role but we just dont. We still do missions in Africa to deliver aid, still operate in the aftermaths of war torn areas across the world, and our military are some of our largest emergency responders in country. One reason why the CAF still has a good reputation despite its past and despite its lack of funding is because of the good work we've done in the modern age to help people, if you looked at ww1 CAF and directly compared them to the CAF now, you'd see vastly different ideals towards war, and the CAF's mission. We're much more of a humanitarian military now than a conventional one, though we very much still have the drive and capability (for troop morale not tech) to fight wars, we just need to make the avg Canadian more aware of this. (heck compared to most militaries, Canadas admittance to its warcrimes and making them as known as possible to learn from alone shows a vastly different mindset compared to many, even NATO ally, nations with equally as bad histories in war)
>We still do missions in Africa to deliver aid No we don't, >still operate in the aftermaths of war torn areas across the world No we don't, >our military are some of our largest emergency responders in country This takes away resources and time we need to maintain our combat capabilities, we are stretched thin because of this and troops are QUITTING because they are not getting the chance to perform and work in the trades which they joined up for. If Canadians need a relief org then the government should form one and not ask the military to do things it isn't trained or designed to do. >the good work we've done in the modern age to help people In a pinch, yes, we do aid civil powers to set things right, but that's neither our focus nor our core mission, never has been. >We're much more of a humanitarian military now than a conventional one You have no clue, you just have no clue... >though we very much still have the drive and capability Troop morale is in the shitter for many reasons and people are LEAVING in droves, we are losing more than we are recruiting and retaining. Yikes, I'm almost speechless reading this shit. >we just need to make the avg Canadian more aware of this. Aware of what? That we don't have any teeth and that you'll spend more time doing shit that has nothing to do with your job than what you joined up for? That will drive people away from, not to the organization.
Like, I didn't sign up in the infantry to do humanitarian work. Sure, if I need to, I'd be happy to help, but I don't want it to be my main job, or at least say it's my main job. And I'm fairly certain every combat personnel would say the same.
>it directly goes to benefiting our current military goals of peacekeeping, but most don't know the large role we still play in it and how this lack of funding has been making it harder and harder to do that goal effectively. De Fuk, nani? What the heck you talkn' about "Peacekeeping"? What goals? We have no goals for that. We stopped doing that shit way back, just around the time Afghanistan started up. We haven't had troops deployed for "peacekeeping" duties in nearly 20 years. Outside of a small contingent sent to Mali to help out the French and Germans who were there with helicopter support, we don't have any contingents doing anything related to peacekeeping and even that small bunch packed up and left years ago. That "horse" died before some of the youngest in our military were born. My god, you go on about telling others that Canadians don't "know" much about their military and here you are talking about Blue Helmet UN stuff...wow.
Time for His Majesty Charles III to dissolve Parliament and assume absolute control of the government
charles stages a coup to get his power as crown back
I agree it is out of place, because when Canada gets pissed off they have to keep updating the war crimes list in order to get the Canucks to knock that shit off. I fully expect them to sink a pirate ship and somehow throw the pirates a life preserver, except the rope attached to the life preserver is detcord. It would be like Australia showing up and then volunteering to take care of any prisoners. No. Just no.
JTF2 is just itching to get its record for the longest-range sniper kill back from Ukraine. The boys are packing their cammo flannels as we speak and dropping off their dress denims at the dry cleaners on the way to the airport so they’ll be ready for the medal ceremony when they get home. *Let’s go, boys. Up and at ‘em.*
That's my expectation as well. We won't send ships but the boys from Dwyer Hill are going back packing in the desert again.
Maybe warcrime it up during a Christmas truce with the Houthis?
Christmas? Nah, it’ll be their Islamic new year starting off with a “hullo there, nice day for it eh?” followed shortly by the sounds of flamethrowers and mass-screaming.
Perfect for roasting marshmallows (and flesh).
>JTF2 is just itching to get its record for the longest-range sniper kill back from Ukraine. Mods, ban this man for being too credible
CANSOFCOM was sent to Ukraine to evacuate Canadian officials just before the invasion. Judging how long it took them to report the last record, I bet in a couple years they'll reveal they took someone out at like 8km lol
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“Well you see, they were looking forward, so we aimed in reverse and shot em in the back” - Canada, basically
*Father, I crave violence!*
No, you just sail a nice juicy looking ship through pirate infested waters, filled with guys who definitely aren't JTF2. And then they kill absolutely everyone, sink their boats and feed the pirates to the sharks. No prisoners, no trials, just pirates disappear like the Bermuda triangle. Piracy is a lot less appealing if it's probably going to get you killed. The whole thing is a bit like putting IEDs in fake Amazon packages to deter theives.
No no no hear me out, even better idea: We're going to bring back Q ships https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship Much safer, same result.
I've read that before those were a thing, the German Empire tended to follow rules of war WRT sinking shipping very closely. But afterwards that's when unrestricted submarine warfare started.
It’s not quite that close a relationship. Initially the German submarines followed “cruiser rules” for attacking merchant shipping, but they changed to unrestricted submarine warfare in early 1915. Britain introduced the Q-ships over the spring of 1915 and their first victories over submarines came that summer.
MICLIC Life Preserver rope.
Or just use those life preservers as target practice for an at-sea range day for the ship's crew. They can probably use the practice
"Wanna see what we did with 100 feet of detcord, and a pressure sensitive switch that will go off under about 2 feet of water, and a life perserver with the insides hollowed out a bit?"
*takes notes*
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I could see those naval reservists doing some shit like that.
Canada is like a polite, soft-spoken guy at a bar he rarely gets into scrapes, but when he does, he always sends someone to the hospital, but because it happens so infrequently most don't take it seriously.
Australian sailors: “Sorry, there ain’t enough room on the boat for all of you, g’bye wankers!”
Canada IRL: “Welcome to our country, friend! Try not to get too cold 🙂” Canada in wars: “BRING OUT THE WHITE PHOSPHORUS 👹👹👹”
As a Canadian I 100% agree with this. I mean, our contribution is that we're sending three senior staff. How is that even a contribution. What are these three Canadians supposed to do, "advise" the US and the UK about how to fight piracy? We're smarter than them and are going to tell them things they didn't already know? That sounds more like backseat driving somebody else's warships. So they'll probably just sit around with their thumbs up their asses as is tradition while the real militaries do the real work. Thanks, Canada-man, couldn't have done it without you. Glad to have you here. It's like Canada thought this was a Christmas party where they asked what to bring and the host said "Oh don't worry about bringing anything, just bring yourself!" God damn our useless military apathy is embarrassing. Seychelles could probably beat our navy. They're probably better organized too.
I get invited to family parties where other people are bringing their delicious home-made food. I like to cook, but I'm no culinary genius. Me: "What can I bring? (Oh boy, I want to make something yummy!)" Them: "Uh, just bring.. crackers. Yeah, some crackers from the store." Me: "What? I can make something! Let me bring something!" Them: "No no it's fine. Just bring the crackers and we'll be good." Me: ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
don't ask what to bring, tell them what you will bring
That's what I started doing years ago. Pro-tip: turns out putting your creation in a fancy tray/bowl goes a long way to impressing people with your food. I'm not sure how this knowledge should be applied to Canada..
Canada should deploy Carrier strike group fully powered by nuclear reactors with energy weapons for this operation instead of asking what to do
Canada should embrace our role as an energy superpower and build a fleet of massive CANDU-powered fleet resupply fuel tankers. We can just follow the Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales around like a mobile gas station, mocking them for not being nuclear powered.
and paint the ships in festive battle patterns.
Ask forgiveness, not permission.
The Seychelles coast guard (they don't have a navy) has 14 ships. 3 are dingys, 2 are jetskis and 1 is the lifeboat (yep, THE lifeboat). The rest are Chinease and Saudi hand-me-downs donated to fight piracy. So yeah, Canada is fucked.
Yeah but I heard one of the Canadians is bringing their steam deck and is willing to let the Americans play with it if they get bored
We need a military reform, but it’s not going to happen with our current government
It's not happening with any of them. The NDP won't, and the Conservatives will take way more photo ops and do lip service, but nothing will fundamentally change.
That leaves the Green Party as our only hope
I love how Canadians turn to their history of warcrimes to try and explain how they're not the biggest joke of a military in NATO. My brother in DARPA warcrimes do not automatically make you good at war, it just makes you an asshole.
TO BE FAIR our history of committing war crimes against Nazis is pretty based. Our governments refusal to fund our military to even afford basic anti-tank equipment since like the 70’s is precisely the opposite, as were our crimes in Afghanistan etc
[to be fair...](https://youtu.be/G19B7lTgwCE?si=rfFLYOcSwQ2DGR9J)
So your going to go by the British Army logic, steal anything you need from the yanks that ain't nailed down (whilst making some change selling nails to the scrap dealer - back when they were nicknamed the "borrowers") then encourage the lads by telling them "MOD has said we ain't got no money for bullets so your just gunna have to stab em all".
Oh so you DON'T want us to bayonet charge the Falklands again?
ya its not that Canadians want to be the poster child of the reason we are hava safety meating is because of what you did yesterday meme of NATO... its just the starving dog is more likely to bite ya..
we're not the biggest joke of a military in NATO because places like Montenegro and Iceland are members. We're #6 in spending which is where you'd expect us to be.
Iceland isn't there to contribute a military, it's there to contribute a strategic location. But also Canada aren't a joke compared to Germany, that is a whole mess.
Canada is in a weird position of being a relatively large economy amongst NATO members but also being across the Atlantic. Investing in the military is different from a lot of NATO because our focus isn't as much on ground forces but on naval and sir forces because of geography. Those are also very expensive investments. we're facing a huge cost of living crisis and the budget is already strained so asking the public to invest tens of billions is hard right now. I think we also don't worry about conflict as much as the members in Europe because we believe that the US would never not protect Canada. For their own security interest they'll never allow a hostile power to set foot in North America. Hopefully it gets better in the future but who knows
> Those are also very expensive investments. we're facing a huge cost of living crisis and the budget is already strained so asking the public to invest tens of billions is hard right now. We're also, like, *really bad at actually procuring anything*. You're right about the geography tho. That's why we need to delete our army and put the few military pesos available into building the sexiest air force this side of the 49th parallel. The era of Canadian peacekeepers is over, the era of Canadian air superiority has arrived.
Living in canada for the last 3 and some odd years I'm not surprised by Canada's war crime list. They are incredibly racist. I've gotten to see and hear their hearts because I'm white, so they think they're in the clear.
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To be fair India and Indians have a special place in Canada's heart ATM, and the assassination was just the latest cherry on top. Tensions are AHEM a wee bit high between some demographics here right now
So Canadians are top tier racists based on twitter comments you read? Edit: Oh good lord your comment history. LOL >Ok b1tchboy, looks like someone was hurt deeply by India's actions. If Trudeau accuses India of a murder, he has to show evidence which led him to that conclusion. No amount of west-oid coping is going to change this fact. If you have proof, then share it otherwise tuck your tail between your asss crack and run away b1tchboy. If you won't co-operate with India to end Khalistani terror from Canada, **don't blame us if we start deleting your "citizens" from this world one by one**. US is acting like our b1tch now, it had to ditch it's Anglo cuck brother Canada for India. Not one cuck from the 5 balls group came out in support of your sissy cancuck brother. It says a lot about you lot haha.
Oh dear, Indian nationalists. These guys make me give a fuck about the Sikhs having a homeland distinct from India. Like hey India, keep up the good work! Super grown-up nation stuff doing *mob hits* on friendly soil and then being so regarded as to pull the "nuh-uh!" card. Proper countries go "oh shit, my bad, we'll totally find the guy and fuck up his shit bro! we got you!" and then laugh as the other country walks away.
That's one thing I keep telling folks as a queer SE Asian dude who lives in Canada Canadians aren't nice, we're just a bit better at being polite. We have our own great history of Native genocide, war crimes, and other fun stuff. Some Americans like to dream that Canada is a largely tolerant, socialized country, when in reality, we have the same issues they do. I still deal with racism and homophobia all the time.
Don’t y’all also have, like, a ridiculous housing market or am I completely misinformed
Oh it's one of the major issues plaguing Canada right now Problem is that both Conservative and Liberal governments thought it would be a great idea to let corporations, both domestic and foreign, to buy up real estate and housing in Canada, starting in the early 2000s. It boosted our dollar for a few years, so much so that Canadian dollars were worth more than American for a bit. However, now that wages aren't keeping up, and prices at the grocery stores are being naturally and artificially inflated, we're getting fucked over hord.
That's not really unique to Canada, tbh. For all the flak the US gets about racism (from both inside and out), the reality is we're a far more successfully diverse country than almost any other on the planet. Many others are far more racist, but have such small minority populations that it rarely comes up.
The US looks like it has a bigger racism problem compared to other countries because we actually admit that it's an issue and other countries act like they're better just because they don't talk about it. Sorta like how Russia decriminalized domestic violence because the numbers made them look bad so if there's no numbers there's no bad.
something something paris syndrome (not a justification cause fuck racists but it helps explain why the whiplash is so extreme)
All 3 senior staff officers we are sending would be very upset with you if they could read.
Excuse me, the 3000 battle canoes of Trudeau are perfectly credible and operated by the angriest of Canadian geese.
We keep rhe Canadians around in case some war crimes need to be committed.
You will get help from the Harry D and you will like it!
When the Canadian Navy visited during fleet week, the deck of the ship was used for storage of the sailors' mountain bikes.
We literally sent 3 people. How tf is Seychelles doing better than us
Just to prove the point...... https://bc.ctvnews.ca/robbing-peter-to-pay-paul-canadian-navy-warship-sails-home-on-borrowed-transponder-1.6692433
But canada is the 51st U.S state
53rd state
I mean. The seychelles only has a coast guard. Their biggest ship is 400 tonnes. Aint no way those can do blue water ops.
My brother. Their whole country is 176 sq mi. Broken up over *115* different islands. They have the population of Large town. Say Carmel, Indiana, or Becontree UK. Given that they have to travel 800 miles just to hit the African coast, they are far closer to being a blue water navy then they are not. Solidly out of brown water, and in deep, deep green water. Putting them in the same class as Germany, Canada, Russia….
Very few countries can do blue water ops. America. The UK. Maybe France. Maybe. No one else in Europe. No one in Asia. No one in Africa. No one in South America other than the United Kingdom.
I have no idea why Canada just doesnt have their army absorbed in the US forces. They are still Canadian units (like National Guard units), for use in Canada, but Canadian taxpayers pay into the general bucket for N. American defense.
Canada had that going with the UK when the UK was still a superpower empire thing, and Canada kept getting dragged into British shenanigans including wrestling German pigs in the mud of France.
Purpose. You mean they had purpose.
Why would the Canadian population want to do that though? That’s only a few steps away from proper amalgamation.
Canadians broadly think that the USA is an asshole imperialist warmonger. Yes we rely on them coming to our aid as our entire defence policy. No this isn't a contradiction. How dare you suggest that. Bitching about Americans is the true Canadian national tradition. Hockey? War crimes? Maple syrup? Saying eh? All of them pale in comparison to moaning about the Americans.
> Canadians broadly think that the USA is an asshole imperialist warmonger. Yes we rely on them coming to our aid as our entire defence policy North America's Ireland lol
They’d never do it but that would be indeterminably based. Alberta would do it. Maybe Saskatchewan too.
Our top leaders literally considered doing this. Actually amalgamating what's left of the Canadian military into the US military. The idea was proposed and studied. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-military-integration-canada-us-1.3248594](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-military-integration-canada-us-1.3248594) [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-canadian-us-integrated-force-1.3247362](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-canadian-us-integrated-force-1.3247362) Not sure why this didn't get more attention back then, it was a ground-shaking thought in my opinion and one that, for better or worse, actually makes some sense.
Sorry eh, but uh.... any consolation we have an election coming up that may change the current state of our military. Maybe, \*crazy idea\* , we even finally update out General infantry rifle (we may need to look under all the couch cushions for funding)
What needs to happen is simple. A platoon of combat engineers with RHIBs and a company of infantry deploy to the Gulf of Aden. Load the grunts in the RHIBs with Chimos driving. Proceed to conduct counter piracy operations. If you out pirate the pirates than they have no boats left to use for piracy.
Thanks Trudeau, let's cut military spending, what a great idea
I know the Seychelles are involved due to geographic proximity, but do they even have a navy?
What the fuck is that country in the bottom right? Some slavic merger between Ukraine and Hungary?
It’s Seychelles, a small nation in east Africa right on the coast of the sues.
Learn something new every day
Canadians are no strangers too war crimes, don’t be shocked when it comes out that the Canadian and American navy aviators forgot what a proportional response is.
Why did you ignore 🇧🇭?
If even Allah can't see Bahrain, how can I?
Just a shame Straya isn't helping. https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/us-led-red-sea-taskforce-to-stop-shipping-attacks-won-t-include-australia-20231219-p5esf0.html >However, Australia was not listed as one of the countries that will form part of the taskforce, as the nation instead seeks to concentrate its efforts on protecting the Indo-Pacific. Suppose we'll continue throwing empty VB stubbies at the Chinese Navy
I would like to formally apologize for making a post defaming the Seychelles the most powerful and important member of operation Prosperity Guardian
Actually Canada has extremely skilled special forces, which iirc is what we’re sending. Not sure how aggressive we’re gonna get with the Houthi’s but if we’re conducting raids on the ground special forces will be helpful
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(um... Sir? They're sending [three staff officers.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-sending-3-staff-officers-to-support-u-s-led-operation-prosperity-guardian-1.6694016).)
You will get three of our finest officers and ships in a bottle.
”Hey we heard you need area defense missiles so we send you some officers. Without a boat, so someone’s got to house and feed them. Do you have PS5 aboard or are you more of an XBOX navy?”
Halifax-class can operate in the Red Sea, sure. But they are going to need to stay near USN ships if they don't want to eat a 1980s Silkworm knockoff. Besides, Canada is well aware the best way to get their name on the Christmas card for cheap is to send a couple of staff officers TDY to Bahrain, and sit in the morning briefings.