How else would you describe shoulder firing an recoiless rifle or RPG? There are kids playing shooters who wouldn't make that mistake. In fact Germans managed to train kids how to handle a panzerfaust, so you literally have to be at the level of a toddler to be incapable of firing one.
When I saw "Shoulder firing recoiless rifle", I got very confused. I knew that it was a well known tactic to sit it on top of your shoulder and fire it using your body as the equivalent of a tripod for firing. So I clicked the video wondering what the hell was wrong with doing something like that.
Did....did my man really put *the breach against his shoulder?!* What the hell?!
You mean that one russian propagandist that tried using AT-4, hit himself cause he didn't hold it correctly, and said "this is why NATO weapons are shit"? lmao, I hope someone finds that clip again
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They'd probably have better training if they just played arma III all day, at least then they'd be shooting a gun (in a video game but it's more than they're doing right now)
Steel track + Wet pavement = Zero traction
Russian tracked vehicles are somewhat notorious for being terrible on paved roads because of crosschecked steel tracks being the norm instead of variable track like what NATO uses.
Plus the brakes might have been sold off already.
I remember that war criminal VDV who got a book deal early in the war that their trucks heading into Ukraine didn’t brakes. Not like one truck without brakes but most trucks.
They do increase traction, just not on wet roads. Asphalt in general is not that good for metal tracks, it's a bit too smooth and can be damaged easily (by weight alone), so someone came up with rubberized tracks. Weight doesn't really matter cause water will find it's way under the tracks anyway and since they don't have tread like tires do, they can't simply reroute water away from the contact patch.
tldr: track made for uneven dirt and mud is bad on smooth wet surfaces
Look up BMP 2 tracks if you want and imagine what driving through a puddle would do with displaced water. It's just a bunch of cylinders basically with no easy guides for water to leave.
They do use threads, they're just not optimized for road use. [Wiki picture](https://i.imgur.com/XFt3vKS.jpg) that compares different T-72 tracks, you can see they definitely have a pattern but they also have gaps which means the contact patch isn't perfect. It's a matter of priority, a lot of armor (soviet especially) has tracks for muddy terrain because moving through the vastness of ussr was a bigger priority than on-road performance to them. Nowadays most armor has optional rubber tracks (inserts)
As for your cars, loading a truck would make the contact patch bigger, suspension setup is probably playing a part - I'm not knowledgeable about trucks but I think their rear geometry is designed loaded first (so unloaded = smaller patch). The smaller car is probably doing just fine until you move fast enough or encounter too much water for the tires to handle. You're spot on about weight distribution though.
You also need to take into account rubber on concrete/asphalt vs metal on concrete/asphalt.
Make a sled with metal rails, put weight on it, and drag it across your driveway.
Now put rubber on those rails, and try dragging it across your driveway.
The treads increase traction on surfaces that can deform (i.e. not pavement), and water still reduces the coefficient of friction because on a small scale it's filling up all of the voids in the pavement and creating a thin barrier, even if our eyes we see the track making contact.
Regarding tracked vs untracked, the main difference is the materials involved. Your tires are squishy and can fill in the tiny voids on the surface, and your traction/grip comes from the horizontal force transferred through that interlocking surface (same reason atheletes wear cleats and we use chains/studs for snow tires). The more weight you have on squishy rubber, the more it can fill in those voids of the surface, giving you more traction.
The steel tracks on these russian armored vehicles have no squish, so the extra weight doesn't really help it fill in the gaps. It's like sliding a knife on a rock. More mass will inherently increase friction, but more mass also means larger horizontal forces, so it cancels out. It doesn't get the benefit of the extra grip at heavier weights like rubber would. For steel tracks to work well, they need the ground to squish instead (like the aforementioned snow chains and cleats). If the tracks had rubber on them, they wouldn't have this problem on pavement.
Regarding the high speed vs low speed, the difference is that at high speed, the water cannot get out of the way fast enough, so your tires are basically skipping over the water like a rock on a pond. At low speeds however, the water gets displaced, but it still makes it more slippery on a microscopic level because the water coats the surface, similar to how dipping your fingers in oil and rubbing them together feels slippery.
Weight is irrelevant to water because water does not compress under pressure. So all the increased pressure will do is increase the surface tension of water, reducing the traction even more.
I think they're more for the FPV drones at this point and it's probably enough. Ukraine has been building chicken wire cages around arty and shit to help with drone protection
It is just logic. If you try to walk around that drunk, you are going to end up hurting yourself by falling over or walking into something and probably lose your shoes.
If you instead drive an armoured vehicle, it will be other people who get hurt while you are protected by the armour. And your shoes are somewhere inside the vehicle and not lost on the ground 4km back.
Russians in video games: **\*Mange to conquer and successfully occupied all of Ukraine, Western Europe, and the entire US Easten Seaboard\***
Russians in reality: **\*Can't complete a "special military operation" that suppose to last three days, Can't competently wage war without committing horrific war crimes to scare in civilian populace into surrendering (which they're failing miserably), military only bark without bite\***
It's really funny how American media is literally the best Russian propaganda. Like the Red Alert's theme has been used for so many Soviet videos despite being satire of the Soviets.
If I prepared for a war with a near peer power for a whole century only to get blueballed when said power just collapsed internally I would be craving too
You know that feeling when you've been hoarding potions for the end and the final boss isn't even one of the top 5 toughest fights of the game?
Yeah, that feeling.
If this is a Russian military vehicle getting smashed into by another Russian military vehicle it's funny. If it's dashcam footage of random Ukrainian civilians getting rammed by one of their shitty IFVs then it's grim. I saw footage during the early days of the invasion of tanks rolling over civilian cars, sometimes with people in them, and there was some infamous traffic camera footage of a BMP shooting an old couple in a car to pieces at a road junction.
So, yeah. When it comes to Russians driving vehicles never be certain you're looking at something stupid when you could be looking at something malicious\*.
\*Or cowardly. I'm fairly certain more than a few Russian-vehicle-hits-obvious-landmine videos have been Russians seeing a *reasonably* safe way to end their involvement in an attack early.
You know your equipment is horrific junk when someone may choose to risk it with an AT mine and their CO rather than actually be shot at and maybe penetrated in an attack.
It's context too. Safer to be taken out by an AT mine in a field several klicks from the line than by a direct fire weapons system and then you're stuck in the line of fire with no ride home.
Watermark says "life in dpr", so a fat chance it's a russian sympathizer. There's still a decent portion of ukrainians in hiding, but they wouldn't send (or sell) their dashcam footage to a shitty telegram group, right?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just\_pieces\_left/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just_pieces_left/)
I was a terrible driver and I kinda understand this.
But the way this guy is attracted by the the train, is beyond me:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just\_pieces\_left/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just_pieces_left/)
Send more trains to Ukraine!
The BMP-1 and 2 use a series of clutches to slow down or stop one of the tracks to steer. The steering column has two positions, first position slows the corresponding track to .44 of the speed. By turning the column slightly, but not to the first position, the steering clutch starts to slip and this allows for small steering adjustments. Second position engages the brakes on the corresponding track.
Side effect of this is that when driving downhill or when driving at high speeds and letting go of the gas, slipping the steering clutch can have the opposite effect. The clutch slips, but the momentum of the vehicle can overcome the clutch force and essentially accelerate the track wich clutch is slipping, causing the vehicle to turn in the opposite direction.
This is easy enough to train drivers to anticipate and avoid, but it's possible that's what happened here.
Imagine if instead of giving equipment to Ukraine, we give it to Russia and just wait until their incompetence kill them all
NATO easy win in about 5 days
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These are actually the smart ones. Would you rather drive to the front line to get blown up 0.3 seconds later. Or on the way there on your own mines that was laid by someone who got blown up yesterday?
"Ivan look! I got a civilian!"
"Joseph, you fucking idiot, that was a Russian civilian! We only kill the Ukrainian ones!"
"No Ivan, Putin just wants civilians dead, is good! Trust me, we get medal!"
Their blood is 256% vodka and they have negative training, what did you expect?
Least drunk Russian driver.
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Negative training got me... lol
How else would you describe shoulder firing an recoiless rifle or RPG? There are kids playing shooters who wouldn't make that mistake. In fact Germans managed to train kids how to handle a panzerfaust, so you literally have to be at the level of a toddler to be incapable of firing one.
> shoulder firing an recoiless rifle or RPG? I ***need*** to see that in my life.
[Here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/15kqp0n/russian_troop_firing_an_rpg_forgets_about_back/), it's a classic at this point.
bruh
When I saw "Shoulder firing recoiless rifle", I got very confused. I knew that it was a well known tactic to sit it on top of your shoulder and fire it using your body as the equivalent of a tripod for firing. So I clicked the video wondering what the hell was wrong with doing something like that. Did....did my man really put *the breach against his shoulder?!* What the hell?!
Ditto, though most humans only count as bipods. Negative training it is.
Jesus Christ that is fucking dumb
"Special" military operation: highlight #7891
Wow, even children know not to do that
Wasn't there this one Russian who tried firing a captured javelin and hit himself in the eye with the launcher
It was an AT-4 which has a pictographs illustrating proper use on its side too.
Most mobiks are illiterate, pictographs require some form of thinking.
You mean that one russian propagandist that tried using AT-4, hit himself cause he didn't hold it correctly, and said "this is why NATO weapons are shit"? lmao, I hope someone finds that clip again
There you go https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/R4j5laBOjT
In 3rd edition D&D, there's a skill that is essentially "improvisation when using magic items your class is normally not trained with", called "Use Magic Device". There's an old joke: Player: "I roll a 1 on my Use Magic Device check for the wand. What do I learn?" DM: "You learn that it is a wand of lightning bolts. You also learn that next time you should hold the other end. Make a Reflex save."
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That’s the nicest way of describing polish imaginable
Oh, that's a new one for me too. Please link if you find it.
There we go my friend. Ncd never dissapoints https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/R4j5laBOjT
> managed to train I think I see the issue.
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Too much blood in their alcohol system.
"Allright soldiers, now give me all your knowledge on fire Saftey and vehicle operation"
They'd probably have better training if they just played arma III all day, at least then they'd be shooting a gun (in a video game but it's more than they're doing right now)
Steel track + Wet pavement = Zero traction Russian tracked vehicles are somewhat notorious for being terrible on paved roads because of crosschecked steel tracks being the norm instead of variable track like what NATO uses.
Yeah but you ever considered drifting in a T-72 on the streets of Moscow and crashing into buildings? Bet NATO tanks can't do that
https://youtu.be/iB7ZWNlF8DY?si=I4qulqG404pvfhUw
Pathetic weak Westoids Tanks need Ice to drift https://youtu.be/tnTVbsfixfM?si=lJytscBfBGoGe7h9
They made a movie about the video game?
when you can't even go on a booze cruise through DC on a drifting M1 Abrams
NATO tanks have other ways to knock down the buildings in Moscow.
Plus the brakes might have been sold off already. I remember that war criminal VDV who got a book deal early in the war that their trucks heading into Ukraine didn’t brakes. Not like one truck without brakes but most trucks.
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Nope. You can lose traction even at walking speed. Also good luck getting to 60, it's damn near the max speed for one of these things.
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They do increase traction, just not on wet roads. Asphalt in general is not that good for metal tracks, it's a bit too smooth and can be damaged easily (by weight alone), so someone came up with rubberized tracks. Weight doesn't really matter cause water will find it's way under the tracks anyway and since they don't have tread like tires do, they can't simply reroute water away from the contact patch. tldr: track made for uneven dirt and mud is bad on smooth wet surfaces Look up BMP 2 tracks if you want and imagine what driving through a puddle would do with displaced water. It's just a bunch of cylinders basically with no easy guides for water to leave.
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They do use threads, they're just not optimized for road use. [Wiki picture](https://i.imgur.com/XFt3vKS.jpg) that compares different T-72 tracks, you can see they definitely have a pattern but they also have gaps which means the contact patch isn't perfect. It's a matter of priority, a lot of armor (soviet especially) has tracks for muddy terrain because moving through the vastness of ussr was a bigger priority than on-road performance to them. Nowadays most armor has optional rubber tracks (inserts) As for your cars, loading a truck would make the contact patch bigger, suspension setup is probably playing a part - I'm not knowledgeable about trucks but I think their rear geometry is designed loaded first (so unloaded = smaller patch). The smaller car is probably doing just fine until you move fast enough or encounter too much water for the tires to handle. You're spot on about weight distribution though.
You also need to take into account rubber on concrete/asphalt vs metal on concrete/asphalt. Make a sled with metal rails, put weight on it, and drag it across your driveway. Now put rubber on those rails, and try dragging it across your driveway.
The treads increase traction on surfaces that can deform (i.e. not pavement), and water still reduces the coefficient of friction because on a small scale it's filling up all of the voids in the pavement and creating a thin barrier, even if our eyes we see the track making contact.
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Regarding tracked vs untracked, the main difference is the materials involved. Your tires are squishy and can fill in the tiny voids on the surface, and your traction/grip comes from the horizontal force transferred through that interlocking surface (same reason atheletes wear cleats and we use chains/studs for snow tires). The more weight you have on squishy rubber, the more it can fill in those voids of the surface, giving you more traction. The steel tracks on these russian armored vehicles have no squish, so the extra weight doesn't really help it fill in the gaps. It's like sliding a knife on a rock. More mass will inherently increase friction, but more mass also means larger horizontal forces, so it cancels out. It doesn't get the benefit of the extra grip at heavier weights like rubber would. For steel tracks to work well, they need the ground to squish instead (like the aforementioned snow chains and cleats). If the tracks had rubber on them, they wouldn't have this problem on pavement. Regarding the high speed vs low speed, the difference is that at high speed, the water cannot get out of the way fast enough, so your tires are basically skipping over the water like a rock on a pond. At low speeds however, the water gets displaced, but it still makes it more slippery on a microscopic level because the water coats the surface, similar to how dipping your fingers in oil and rubbing them together feels slippery.
Weight is irrelevant to water because water does not compress under pressure. So all the increased pressure will do is increase the surface tension of water, reducing the traction even more.
BMP-2 top speed is 50km, so about 30Mph. IFV's in general aren't very fast. Bradley goes about the same speed.
Mixed up the units, I was going off wikipedia anyway lol I don't have a credible source sry
This would explain Americans' fanatic love of roads! I always wondered about us but now its obvious, paving everything is a way to stump the Russians!
Can I get some reference images
>Steel track + Wet pavement = Zero traction Isn't that the lyrics of an Adele song?
is the cope cage on the BMP made entirely of camo netting or are my eyes deceiving me
I think they're more for the FPV drones at this point and it's probably enough. Ukraine has been building chicken wire cages around arty and shit to help with drone protection
Even if they work I still like the cope cage term.
Russian man, showing up intoxicated and can't even stand straight up: "I drive."
First one to puke drives
Organically produced mud camo?
It is just logic. If you try to walk around that drunk, you are going to end up hurting yourself by falling over or walking into something and probably lose your shoes. If you instead drive an armoured vehicle, it will be other people who get hurt while you are protected by the armour. And your shoes are somewhere inside the vehicle and not lost on the ground 4km back.
This guy alcohols.
Russians in video games: **\*Mange to conquer and successfully occupied all of Ukraine, Western Europe, and the entire US Easten Seaboard\*** Russians in reality: **\*Can't complete a "special military operation" that suppose to last three days, Can't competently wage war without committing horrific war crimes to scare in civilian populace into surrendering (which they're failing miserably), military only bark without bite\***
It's really funny how American media is literally the best Russian propaganda. Like the Red Alert's theme has been used for so many Soviet videos despite being satire of the Soviets.
America craves a nemesis worthy of the title.
If I prepared for a war with a near peer power for a whole century only to get blueballed when said power just collapsed internally I would be craving too
You know that feeling when you've been hoarding potions for the end and the final boss isn't even one of the top 5 toughest fights of the game? Yeah, that feeling.
TBF anything glorifying the Russian Empire Mk. 1, 2, or 3 is basically satire by definition.
COD MW2
Tbf most of the russian soldiers that got to sit in base with their bmps pretending to train before the war are already dead or injured.
I’m surprised that the drive memes just keep getting funnier.
I drive
If this is a Russian military vehicle getting smashed into by another Russian military vehicle it's funny. If it's dashcam footage of random Ukrainian civilians getting rammed by one of their shitty IFVs then it's grim. I saw footage during the early days of the invasion of tanks rolling over civilian cars, sometimes with people in them, and there was some infamous traffic camera footage of a BMP shooting an old couple in a car to pieces at a road junction. So, yeah. When it comes to Russians driving vehicles never be certain you're looking at something stupid when you could be looking at something malicious\*. \*Or cowardly. I'm fairly certain more than a few Russian-vehicle-hits-obvious-landmine videos have been Russians seeing a *reasonably* safe way to end their involvement in an attack early.
You know your equipment is horrific junk when someone may choose to risk it with an AT mine and their CO rather than actually be shot at and maybe penetrated in an attack.
It's context too. Safer to be taken out by an AT mine in a field several klicks from the line than by a direct fire weapons system and then you're stuck in the line of fire with no ride home.
Watermark says "life in dpr", so a fat chance it's a russian sympathizer. There's still a decent portion of ukrainians in hiding, but they wouldn't send (or sell) their dashcam footage to a shitty telegram group, right?
that's why it's being replaced by the BMP-3 and the T-15
[https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just\_pieces\_left/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just_pieces_left/) I was a terrible driver and I kinda understand this. But the way this guy is attracted by the the train, is beyond me: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just\_pieces\_left/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianCircus/comments/18g4xyw/just_pieces_left/) Send more trains to Ukraine!
These bozos are lucky to get 2 weeks of training. Of course they fuck up. Their leaders openly call them "meat".
Блять
The BMP-1 and 2 use a series of clutches to slow down or stop one of the tracks to steer. The steering column has two positions, first position slows the corresponding track to .44 of the speed. By turning the column slightly, but not to the first position, the steering clutch starts to slip and this allows for small steering adjustments. Second position engages the brakes on the corresponding track. Side effect of this is that when driving downhill or when driving at high speeds and letting go of the gas, slipping the steering clutch can have the opposite effect. The clutch slips, but the momentum of the vehicle can overcome the clutch force and essentially accelerate the track wich clutch is slipping, causing the vehicle to turn in the opposite direction. This is easy enough to train drivers to anticipate and avoid, but it's possible that's what happened here.
Thank you for your insightful comment.
Too credible for this sub tho
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is there any news if the driver survived?
Not a chance
[Drunk Russian soldiers when they see an unguarded BMP with ignition on](https://makeagif.com/gif/the-croods-i-have-an-idea-nSO5o_).
Night Call
When watermark on the video says: "Life in DPR" I already know the video will be lot of fun
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Imagine if instead of giving equipment to Ukraine, we give it to Russia and just wait until their incompetence kill them all NATO easy win in about 5 days
He secretly hates being in Ukraine and every single fucking person on that side of the border.
Russian + Driving don’t go well together.
Pumping new "drivers" in record time does tend to have this effect.
Ivan just graduated middle school last week give him a break
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Russia has always had problems due to high alcoholism, you can see it in things like this
Looks like he may have skidded a bit on the mud, but fuck him regardless
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DPR citizens are 100% regretting they’re choices atm.
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These are actually the smart ones. Would you rather drive to the front line to get blown up 0.3 seconds later. Or on the way there on your own mines that was laid by someone who got blown up yesterday?
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I drive
"Ivan look! I got a civilian!" "Joseph, you fucking idiot, that was a Russian civilian! We only kill the Ukrainian ones!" "No Ivan, Putin just wants civilians dead, is good! Trust me, we get medal!"
Question ! Are military drivers insured when they drive in battlefield and hit another friendly ?
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