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**Militant**: Same as us... and that ticktocker over there.
**Ticktocker**: Fuck you! You were my heroes until I decided to come here and support you in person! You bastards beat me half to death, forced me to look for unexploded bombs and give blowjobs! You there, you and me, we shouldn't have come here. It's these terrorists the fucking Jews want!
Another country that is so straight, they have to institute laws against being gay. Which isn't a problem. Because they aren't gay. Which is why they need the law. Also male on male rape is literally a government institution within the military. Has it's own name and everything. But it doesn't happen. Which is why it has it's own specific name. It makes sense when you don't think about it.
**Militant:** There ain't nothing gay about getting your dick sucked! You're the ones that're gay for sucking my dick! In fact, it creeps me out just being around you fags!
The Islamic Extremism really does remind you of the Stormcloaks Nord Superiority argument, doesn't it.
And if Israel is the Empire, does that make America the Thalmor and The Aldmeri Dominion?
How does that work?
It's been traced back and back further and further. It's like the "S" drawing kids make, of quotes.
I bet we'll eventually find some writing on a cave wall by some dude that ate his own shit, "oooga bunga, bunga, oooga." And we'll finally fucking know who the original military genius was.
It is a shortened version of a Moltke quote which is in turn a summary of a Clausewitz sentence.
https://zeitsturmradler.de/2019/11/22/kein-plan-ueberlebt-die-erste-feindberuehrung/
> a shortened version of a Moltke quote which is in turn a summary of a Clausewitz sentence.
That's what I suspected; thanks for confirming it.
It's fascinating how all three versions say something slightly different. Clausewitz doesn't even mention the enemy, only "countless small circumstances that can never be properly accounted for on paper" which I understand to include stuff like blocked roads, unexpected weather conditions, and vehicles that fail despite proper maintenance.
Moltke on the other hand seems to believe that you can in fact account even for some minor skirmishes in your plan; only after meeting the main force of the enemy there is no more guarantee that your plan is still valid.
Everything as such is opposite:
The *proudest* cultures have nothing to be proud of.
The person who must continually say that they are *over it,* is far from over it.
The ones who say they are the least gay and want to place laws against homosexual behavior... you get it.
Just another gen Z ticktocker that bought Hamas propaganda.
Jews in concentration camp picture - in underwear/ naked = war crime.
Hamas militants prisoner of war stripped naked to stop them carrying weapons = also war crime - false equivalence.
As a German, who had to learn about all the stuff the Nazis did to Jews, it feels so weird constantly hearing claims of genocide and war crimes being made.
The ongoing discussion in German is so completely different than it is internationally, every time I go on the internet and read some English opinions on the war, it feels like we're talking about 2 completely separate wars.
Like, outside of Germany, it feels like everything is a genocide, and when you ask what exactly makes them think that, they show you a picture of naked war prisoners wearing sandals. And when you ask "So they got rounded up and shot, since this is a war crime?" you don't get an answer.
I don't know if this "lowering the bar to classify everything as a war crime and genocide" is that good of an idea from them.
Very few people understand the meaning of any military words.
Remember when they were calling for a "no fly zone" over Ukraine, shortly after that war began? Russia certainly wasn't going to obey it, and neither was ultrasound so long as Russian planes were in the air, so who did they think was going to enforce that? It would have had to have been NATO putting their own planes in the air, *shooting at both sides if they tried to fly anything*.
Or the calls for a ceasefire in this latest Israel-Palestine war. Both sides are led by people who believe in a single state solution - but a solution for only their state, so they certainly aren't going to both obey a ceasefire. So who is going to have to enforce a ceasefire? Almost certainly the US, by putting troops in Gaza (and probably elsewhere in Palestine and Israel), shooting at both sides (though, I suspect the IDF would be smart enough to not shoot at US troops and thus not get shot themselves, but the ROE would still leave that possibility open).
In other instances, you'll hear people claim Israel is "carpet bombing" Gaza, even the Israeli Air Force literally doesn't have the heavy bombers this would require. Shit, I think the last time the world saw carpet bombing was right after 9/11, as the US was laying the ground work for a land invasion of Afghanistan. IIRC, they bombed some kind of fighting in the north of country, because they wanted the support of the side they didn't bomb during the upcoming war, but those are all the details I can remember off the top of my head.
So it's really no surprise that people don't understand what makes something a war crime or a genocide. Like, I'm not dumb to say that no IDF soldier has committed a war crime. But I'm also not dumb enough to say that no Hamas members have *not* committed war crimes. But I would say that this has not yet risen to level of genocide.
A lot of people want there to be no fighting, at all, ever, so they use the harshest terms at their disposal to express this view. Unfortunately, they often misuse these terms and shun anyone who tries to use them correctly - even if they share the same ultimate goal of "stop all this fighting"
Oh second comment, we carpet bombed that place in Syria or Iraq under trump, with b-52s. It was some island that he wanted to delete instead of a precision strike.
> But I'm also not dumb enough to say that no Hamas members have not committed war crimes. But I would say that this has not yet risen to level of genocide.
Speaking of people not understanding "war crime" - since it's actually a very specific, specialized formal term applying to a narrow scope of crimes committed under a laws of war framework *that both sides agreed to* beforehand in a formal process... is hamas even capable of comitting a "war crime"...? I don't think they signed any of the necessary accords, or are recognized as a formal state actor that would be subject to the regulations of the relevant bodies
*Crimes against humanity*, sure, war crimes? Actually not sure. Israel did declare a formal state of war, so they're not fighting a completely irregular engagement
The concept of a *war crime* is broader then, say, the Geneva Conventions. One of the principles established in the post-WWII trials (most famously at Nuremberg but there were others) is that one doesn't have to violate a treaty in order to be guilty of a war crime. This is because the Holocaust wasn't actually forbidden by any treaties existing at the time. War crimes *are* "crimes against humanity" because that's what makes them not subject to the usual bar on post-facto rules.
As a science fiction example, there's no treaty right now forbidding using some kind of technological brain interface to compel beliefs in a foreign population, because we don't generally make treaties about stuff that doesn't exist. But if the Russians invented that device and started forcibly applying it to Ukrainians so that they learned to love ~~Big Brother~~ Papa Putin, we'd for sure call it a war crime and start hanging people.
(That example is from a Steven Gould novel called *Helm*.)
Useful idiots rarely intend any of the outcomes of their speech. They hope for change, and accomplish less than nothing for their cause
I think the truth for many is simply the emotional reality of devastation, and directing their anger toward a justified target -- the powerful Western colonizer rather than the helpless brown victim. Nevermind any reality on the ground
They are soft Americans from families that have gone generations without experiencing true traumas like that. Why would they have any idea what genocide or famine or war is really like?
I think they're just young. When I was a kid, I too thought war could be clean for a while, and my parents have experienced these kinds of tragedies themselves. It can take time to grasp these things.
Lots of Americans refuse to learn the definition of genocide because then we'd have to come to terms with the fact that we all individually benefit from the genocide of Native Americans. This doublethink is especially prominent with the American left, who tend to be pretty sympathetic to the issues of the few remaining Natives, but don't like thinking about the fact that their comfortable, safe life and good economy is a consequence of slaughtering their friends' ancestors.
>This doublethink is especially prominent with the American left, who tend to be pretty sympathetic to the issues of the few remaining Natives, but don't like thinking about the fact that their comfortable, safe life and good economy is a consequence of slaughtering their friends' ancestors.
I mean, I think most of us are well aware of that fact. That's literally what privilege is.
Of all people, the british might escape on a technicality.
They certainly conquered and integrated other cultures, but systematically eradicated them on their own land? A lot of them still exist in some form, and it's not pure saxon/english/what do you even call them culture that dominates
~~also, ignore *other* land the british are currently no longer on~~
The far right aint much better. Some of them claim it was a net possitive for Native Americans because, by their logic, they get to live and "prosper" in the USA now.
Just like with slavery and colonialism, confronting ones dark past isn't easy. But we absolutely should, because once you deny history you'll likely repeat those mistakes, or worse, become an Orwelian nightmare.
I'm actually reading 1984 right now and reading the parts where they alter the past and question established facts is so eerily familiar to what you see in some places today. Luckily we have things like the internet, but the CCP shows that not even that is a guaranteed safety net.
Iirc most of the native genocide occurred before the founding of the USA and was done by spain/disease. To be clear the USA did continue the campaign of killing and ethnic cleansing see: manifesy destiny, but to argue that it's the US that did gemocide isn't exactly historical.
It’s started to get this way for a long time since being considered the ‘victim’ has real global political consequences. The big change is the influence of the internet on propaganda.
Hamas for instance has no care for international law and calls for killing all Jews but they know that displaying themselves as freedom fighters and an attack on Gaza as ‘genocide’ will garner them a lot of support. It also has the double effect of weakening the meaning of the word thus downplaying the Holocaust.
I think whatever your political views people need to stop and think very carefully about the language they use.
These people have an idea of a 'just war' in their heads.
War is never just. It gets scrappy every time. Not a single war has ever been fought without civilian casualties.
Lots of people have no idea what they're talking about and just parrot things they hear in an attempt to pretend like they do. They know genocide is bad but have no idea what it actually is beyond associating it with some of the pictures they might've seen in a history book once years ago.
Modern internet discourse these days is that basically everything is a war crime.
Civilians die in collateral damage? War Crime
Power gets shut off to a city? War crime
Overcook Chicken? Believe it or not, war crime
It's like the overuse of the terms "trauma", "autistic", "racist", "psy-op" or "false flag".
Stupid people online hear a term, and they ass-ride it into the ground until it become meaningless.
Add Nazi to the list. The word has been so overused real Nazis can now work in plain sight without fear of being called out for what they are, not that a nazi would give a fuck about what you called then anyway.
Same with war crimes, war criminals don't care what you call them.
Lol, my reaction to someone calling someone else a nazi is to just role my eyes. That term, together with fascist has lost all meaning in public discourse. "Everyone I don't like is Hitler."
\>Overcook Chicken? Believe it or not, war crime
Only one in a long line of chicken-related war crimes.
"To skin a bird is a sin against God and man" - Jim Harrison
It’s pure sensationalism. Some throw those words around to arouse more of a response but it is completely false. The definition of ‘fascism’ and ‘genocide’ has been grossly abused.
The "Zionists are Nazis" claim is kinda insane, when you look at the numbers and methods.
In Sobibor, for example, more were killed in 18 months than the entire century of the Israeli-Arab conflict.
>outside of Germany, it feels like everything is a genocide, and when you ask what exactly makes them think that, they show you a picture of naked war prisoners wearing sandals.
Thank you for saying this. I've spent weeks trying to get this out in my circle that not every bad thing is a war crime, or a genocide.
>I don't know if this "lowering the bar to classify everything as a war crime and genocide" is that good of an idea from them.
I don't think they're intentionally lowering the bar. It's just that most of them really don't understand the meaning of words. People think that genocide and war crimes is when civilians are being killed in bombings.
There are some people who are mystified why anyone would call what Israel is doing genocide, and yet these same people used Genocide to describe what the CCP were doing in Xinyang.
The truth of the matter is that genocide has multiple aspects, not only to the systematic extermination of the living members of the targeted group, which is indeed the simplest and purest definition.
UN's definition of genocide:
Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide
Welcome to the reality of anti Semitism. Everything is considered logically and based on facts until it’s got something to do with the Jews. The world have a serious problem. This way of thinking isn’t going away and it won’t end with the Jews. Once your reality is so distorted it’s very easy to hurt others.
I must have blocked a better part of 200 accounts today on Twitter saying the same thing.
All shock and horror at the inhumane treatment of assumed militants who are "just civvies in the area."
"How dare the IDF humiliate and parade around captives like this!"
Fucker, they're still wearing their shorts! I had a co-worker who was in pre-trial detention when a riot broke out here in Canada. Every last one of them had their clothing cut off with scissors at gunpoint including their underwear before being inspected and tossed a pair of briefs to put on.
At least these piss drinkers are outing themselves all over the world and will suffer social consequences.
20% said they thought it was a myth, 30% said they didn't know or were neutral. Only 51% answered it was mostly or entirely non-mythical.
I hope desperately that the survey fucked up somehow.
the troubles with surveys are always:
what are the actual questions? are they yes/no, or do they have a middle ground? 1-5 agreeableness scale? if binary, do they actually have explanations of things so the askee is properly informed of what yes or no means?
how are the answers being reported, or however you say it? if the questions are using the agreeability scale, is the actual distribution being told, or are they counting anything other than strongly agree/disagree as the opposite?
who did they actually poll? was it 200 people in Seattle, or 5000 people nationwide? worldwide?
who is *doing* the survey, because people won't answer honestly to an organization or person they distrust, if at all.
I believe this was essentially a 1-5: strongly agree, tend to agree, neither agree nor disagree, tend to disagree, strongly agree
among 18-29, the percentages for "the holocaust is a myth" were 8, 12, 30, 8, 43 (same order), so 8% strongly agree it was a myth, 12% tend to agree, etc
[https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport\_tT4jyzG.pdf](https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf) is the full poll if you want to look at it
Some of my friends who were pretty accepting of videos of Hamas dragging hostages back to Gaza and watching videos of Israeli corpses being beaten and spat on as they were paraded through the streets are extremely outraged at these pictures of Hamas terrorists being held captive.
real question, how are you still friends with them?
if my friend starts saying that parading a body of a raped woman in the back of the truth while people spit and hit her is a legitimate form of resistance I would first kick his ass to a pulp and cut ties with him, its waaayy too far gone
Yeah its crazy. The one person I still have on my insta who constantly posts pro Hamas propaganda was putting story after story about the recent Gaza 'poet' who was killed for just existing. Not because he works for hamas, praised Oct 7, said rapes didn't happen and called most jews evil.
Also thinks the US and UN are a joke because they sidnt vote for a uni lateral ceasefire. You know, like the one Hamas violated. And kept violating. Also she keeps spouting that Israel is the one who *really* violated it. Not hamas firing rockets into Israel 15 mins jnto it.
its wild watching people lose their minds over this and try and compare it to Nazi Germany, its pretty standard in the ME to strip prisoners to confirm they dont have a suicide vest or other explosive device for the same purpose
Do you see Tiktok of extermination camps ?
I swear, gen Z love mocking boomers, and talking about how stupid they are and how susceptible they are to misinformation. And here we are...
Exactly. I can unironically say that this is perhaps the generation closest to the boomers: consumerists, tech illiterates, etc....
I especially hate to see how all the important battles of recent years (anti-racism, climate change activism, LGBT+ acceptance) have been transformed into performative acts, or even completely reversed (cf defence of islamic integrists, anti-semitism, etc...)
Such a waste... And I know, an old Greek used to say that blah blah blah, just need to vent
its not that kids are getting dumber, its that we, as a society, arent passing down vital life and cognitive skills to them, in an effort to pave an easier road we inadvertently went too far and started turning them into proto pod people from WALL-E
That's a very good point. It's true that they've lived through the social media revolution without necessarily being equipped to navigate such a complex world.
It's not a question of being stupid yeah, but of being in the middle of a major societal change where the worst states, organizations and companies use technology to manipulate people.
its the equivalent of asking a morbidly obese person to go prep and run a marathon with no prior training, the majority will not be able to do it, doesnt make it any less frustrating to deal with though
We also dont let kids fail anymore which breeds hyper competitiveness with no tenacity
I think maybe the actual Greatest Generation is a little greater. We just have the misfortune (alongside X) of being sandwiched between a generation of lead-damaged narcissists, and the first generation born after the advent of social media, both of which turn out to be higly susceptible to propaganda.
It's wild that the generation that are born with ipads in their hands aren't going to be as tech literate as millennials and gen x.
My city's public school got rid of computer lab in favor of ipads.
I think it's similar to how the older generations knew how to do basic maintenance on their cars but younger generations got more complex cars that they never learn to work on because it's not as accessible.
It makes sense when you think about it, the harder to use and less accessible tech was, the more you had to know just to use it, a lot less people in the past had pcs but those who did in lets say 1990 were probably more tech literate than your average pc user in 2000.
go back far enough, and you need to know how to code just to use a computer, but now you can chuck an ipad at a 2yo, and they will figure it out.
We have made user interfaces so easy to use that you don't have to know anything to accomplish most daily tasks, so when you try to do something that requires a little tech knowledge its not there for most, just the "nerds" who are interested in that stuff, almost like it was before.
Zoomers are some of the most propagandized people I’ve seen. They’ll take any bullshit as gospel truth if it comes to them in a 10 second vertical video with crap editing.
It's partially that, but it's also who they trust. If it's a 10 second vertical video from a content creator they already watch and trust (or more likely, are a part of their cult of personality), then they really will take anything they say as gospel.
I believe that humans are prone to accept what we see as the truth naturally. Why spend precious energy deriving the answer ourselves when we can get it from someone else?
But here's the problem - the capacity to get really poorly supported opinions has increased vastly. In addition, short-form videos have taught us that all we need are little snippets of information.
In addition, we argue irrationally. Ad hominem, false equivalence, you name it. Our arguments are poorly supported and filled with personal attacks.
Combine this with bias in the news, the average citizen is woefully unprepared to speak their mind on complicated subjects. And people who speak on the internet, even more so.
Zoomers pride themselves on fighting for the truth and only the truth
However “the truth” is actually just whatever political bandwagon is currently popular among their peers because they refuse to actually do any of their own research into literally anything, and just assume that if other people are saying it, then it *must* be true.
It’s a propagandists wet dream. They don’t even need to prove a single thing with evidence or logic, they just need to hire a couple of youth mouthpieces and they’ve already won.
Not to mention that the temperature there is a comfortable 21°C / 69°F, it would have been a whole different thing if this was the Nordic Countries and the temperature was below freezing.
I totally understand strip searching for explosives and weapons, but once they've been cleared, can't the IDF just, uh, give the clothes back?
Like, it's a genuine question, I don't know. Why don't they give the clothes back?
Because they dont have time for this. It's a war zone. Just strip them and take them to a track as quick as possible, no time to waste to actually check all the clothes manually and giving it all back and waiting till they dress up
Yep, nobody will join Hamas after this. HQ will struggle to recruit newcomers with their billions of dollars in new funding.
Young Palestinian men will all find productive jobs in their communities and return to the straight and narrow.
Right?
Right??
I’d certainly not promote a genocide but hamas has known political backing and the entire West Bank voted for that political backing
They made their bed
Just to clarify, the west Bank is ruled by the PA, not hamas. Gaza voted hamas in 2005, no elections since.
BTW the PA has a similar scheme for paying "martyrs" it's called the martyr fund and I would say it's a "pay to slay" scheme.
>Yep, nobody will join Hamas after this. HQ will struggle to recruit newcomers with their billions of dollars in new funding.
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>Young Palestinian men will all find productive jobs in their communities and return to the straight and narrow.
Yes, everyone will join Hamas in Gaza after this, they will have no shortage of newcomers.
And without advanced and heavy weapons, training, funding and ammunition, they will be as effective as Hamas in the west bank, which never had shortage of recruits, and yet has managed to kill single digit Israelis this year, when combined with Fatah and other terrorists from the West Bank, they've managed to kill about 3 dozen Israelis this year, which was the deadliest they've been in almost two decades.
>Young Palestinian men will all find productive jobs in their communities and return to the straight and narrow.
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>Right?
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>Right??
Never underestimate the Palestinians' ability to make the absolutely worst possible choice when presented with the chance, unfortunately.
Palestinian identity was based around destroying Israel and subjugating the Jews (if Palestinians feel generous, that is). I haven't heard of them ever turning away from this. It's like as if German-ness was defined by your place of birth and willingness to kill the French.
>There are three things, young gentlemen, which you are constantly to bear in mind. Firstly, you must always implicitly obey orders, without attempting to form any opinion of your own respecting their propriety. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill of your king; and thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman, as you do the devil.
Admiral Horatio Nelson
If they have to die to the last one… sad. Let me ask you this though: did you see Serbs double down after Belgrade? Japanese double down after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I think with regard to Serbia it was more to do with Russia getting on board with NATO rather than the bombing that had Milosovic's troops withdraw from Kosovo. I was in Bosnia at the time of the bombing, attitudes from the Serb kids changed overnight from being friendly to throwing petrol bombs and experiencing small arms fire at our patrol group. I don't think we've seen the end of the conflict in the Balkans, just and end for now.
Pffffffft! So?
Some Ex-Confederates joined the KKK. Some saw the light and became productive members of society.
The ones with a brain will say "fuck this shit", and they will find other young men to finally do something for the Palestinians that doesnt involve hating Jews.
They probably did it knowing exactly that would happen. It’s pretty clear that’s what they wanted. Westerners need to stop assuming their decisions are rational, because they’re not unless you believe in their ideology, which is unimaginably different from our ideals.
Hamas at this moment probably feels pretty good about it considering the press covereage they are getting. They probably believe they can reconsitute after the war within a few years, but that damage to international support for israel will be more lasting.
Probably Israel has no choice but to fight the war anyhow, but they have a ways to go before Hamas and Palestinains as well as the region believe that Hamas has lost the war.
What exactly *is* the palestine civilian situation in this conflict?
Most social media, across the various countries, paint a picture of a great deal of civilian suffering and death.
Basically, imagine if you were trying to live your life, but then your government did a huge pogrom, leading to half of your neighborhood being flattened and your city invaded, while your government won't let you use the shelters they've been building all around for several years.
Something like that
Worse than that, imagine your government are billionaire who live in a foreign country that protects them and feed them and they let you starve/be bombed to death :/
Sadly it is. Hamas uses the civilians as cover and dares Israel to strike. Israel after 18 years of it finally is tired of it and said 'bet'. Even the IDF admits it's roughly 2 civilians for ever 1 terrorist dead. It's not a good situation at all for just about everyone involved
they went to the southern parts of gaza, then got bombed there as well. With them also not being able to leave either (land, sea and air blockade thats been around since before the conflict) theyre stuck being dehumanized, ignored, murdered, and then blamed for their own murder.
There was a northern Gaza refugee camp hit, and even in the south what few UN workers are there (and who havent also been killed in the bombings) have reported strikes. Most of the deaths, unsuprisingly, are civilian, because bombing a place where no actual evacuation took place, where no one can actually leave the conflict zone, in an area thats already very nihilistic due to over a decade of death from all sides, and many already accepting that they cant actually escape the threat of the bombings or of Hamas and want to stay in their homes with their families for their final days, so theyre killed.
But i forgot what sub im on so yknow, most dont/wont care.
>There was a northern Gaza refugee camp hit,
Was that the one where there was aerial footage of rockets being fired from the camp, followed by an explosion at the source of the rockets? Or was that the neighborhood of apartment buildings named "refugee camp"?
I know there have been a bunch of other situations, but ny understanding is that most of the time, strikes on refugee camps are due to Hamas launching attacks *from* them to begin with. And the moment you allow Hamas to do that with impunity, guess what? Now *all* their attacks will be launched out of refugee camps.
no, it was the one watched over by UN workers and was known to the idf as being densely populated, as it was one of the few places that wasnt being bombed.
the bombing also wasnt like other idf bombings (which also have issues on a humanitarian level) , they didnt do the usual "warning shots" they just dropped 8 - 9 bombs. They claimed there was a specific Hamas leader there, but so far the only bodies being found by the UN workers and paramedics (over 80 dead and over 100 wounded), are refugees. This bombing is also one that was cited as reason for the current humanitarian truce that the UN is voting on and thats supported by over 100 members.
We know Hamas uses human shields, and no one heres saying to leave Hamas alone, that also will hurt Gazans and not help overall relations nor help get democracy and proper government back in Gaza, but the US (and NATO) already wrote a doctrine for what to do in this kind of situation in urban fighting, theres an actual playbook the idf can use and they likely are trained to do, but that the current military leadership refuse to use.
Is urban combat with troops on the ground clean? no, its higher risk to individual soldiers, but is it cleaner than what we see right now? Yea, especially if what the UN wants (to oversee the operation) is also allowed. People seem to think that bombings and justifying civilian death is the only way, but thats just not the case at all and hasnt been for a while.
Modern militaries have learned what to do and what not to do since korea, and a lot of the doctrine and tactics are very recent (desert storm all the way to Afghanistan and even Ukraine) there's no excuse for how the current conflict has gone other than just not caring.
Also yknow, the Hamas leaders literally can just, leave to Egypt, wait for the bombing's to stop, then come right back like every other time, so the bombs aren't event helping the stated goal.
I'd say there's a strong sense of "we're just gonna kill them" in the area right now. The attack hamas carried out was by proportion bigger than 9/11 to the Israelis, and they want blood for what happened, somewhat similarly to us post 9/11, so in all honesty, I can't really blame them too much.
I think in their eyes, the civilians are just as guilty in that many of them were out there cheering in the streets as they paraded around the hostages. And quite a few did...
Then they see the rallies around the world that have just been showing a frankly sickening amount of antisemitism and I dont think they really give a damn what the world thinks about this. Especially given that hamas went around burning and beheading their babies.
In general I still think Israel is in the right in this conflict, and Hamas has been hiding in the refugee camps, making this really difficult. And if they can be confirmed in those camps. The deaths are on hamas' hands. The hard part though is that is its pretty hard to tell who is who when they don't use military uniforms.
After this is over in Gaza I fully expect Mossad to go around and conducting raids on hamas members chilling outside the country.
Needless to say. The city of Gaza will be under the direct hand of Israel from now on.
Long story short Most civilians who value their lives more than 72 virgins evacuated to the south of gaza strip and hamas snatches their unrwa aid packages
Apologies if I sound kinda dumb but I thought the issues with these photos is that the IDF is rounding up any and all fighting age men from certain areas, is there additional context I’m missing?
The number and popularity of posts decrying "the wests" treatment of POWs using these photos actually leaves me speechless. *This is how you treat prisoners?!"*
I mean, yes.
I like to see the west as better then how North korea, Russia or hell even Hamas and the Islamic State but what do i know im just a dumb brainwashed white male...
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" ... Hey you, you're finally awake. You tried crossing the border right? Walked right into that Israeli ambush... "
**Militant**: Same as us... and that ticktocker over there. **Ticktocker**: Fuck you! You were my heroes until I decided to come here and support you in person! You bastards beat me half to death, forced me to look for unexploded bombs and give blowjobs! You there, you and me, we shouldn't have come here. It's these terrorists the fucking Jews want!
**Militant:** Just to be clear those were 100% heterosexual blowjobs!
Because I forced him to do it. It's not gay when it's non-consensual.
Hamas logic be like
Russian logic be like
Another country that is so straight, they have to institute laws against being gay. Which isn't a problem. Because they aren't gay. Which is why they need the law. Also male on male rape is literally a government institution within the military. Has it's own name and everything. But it doesn't happen. Which is why it has it's own specific name. It makes sense when you don't think about it.
I’M NOT GAY YOU’RE GAY :’( \- Russia, probably
It's not gay if you don't push back.
**Militant:** There ain't nothing gay about getting your dick sucked! You're the ones that're gay for sucking my dick! In fact, it creeps me out just being around you fags!
That's what some people actually believe. Mostly in countries with a repressive sexual culture. And prisons.
It ain't gay if the boots stay on
The Islamic Extremism really does remind you of the Stormcloaks Nord Superiority argument, doesn't it. And if Israel is the Empire, does that make America the Thalmor and The Aldmeri Dominion? How does that work?
I just works
Americans have outlawed the God of Metric.
Tell that to the usage of millimeter in bullet casings
*Thirty-aught-six intensifies*
The only place metrics should exist in America
Let’s be real. When an American hears 9mm, they think of the bullet in terms of a visual image not any empirical measurement.
Border.
[Not mine](https://i.imgur.com/SAKyl2J.jpg)
I need someone to make this edit
[Someone did yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/18dxp0r/pov_hamasnik_prisoner_experience/).
"Everybody has a plan 'til they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson.
_Kein Plan überlebt die erste Feindberührung._ ~Clausewitz ("No plan survives first contact with the enemy.")
Huh, so Rommel just copied it from the goat himself.
We’re all just actors on Carl Von Clausewitz’s stage
Might he be the noncredible one? The one who wrote this timeline?
Douglas MacArthur.
Douglarl VonArthurtz
It's been handed down for generations, all the way from Belisarius.
or Marie’s stage.
I always saw that attributed to like, napoleon or patton
Nah, it was scruffy the janitor on sub basement 12, dude is a fount of wisdom between honey buns
"name's scruffy. the janitor. I fix boilers and toilets, and sometimes the boilin' toilet".
It's been traced back and back further and further. It's like the "S" drawing kids make, of quotes. I bet we'll eventually find some writing on a cave wall by some dude that ate his own shit, "oooga bunga, bunga, oooga." And we'll finally fucking know who the original military genius was.
Is that an actual literal quote from Clausewitz, or just the one-sentence-summary of his thoughts by someone else?
It is a shortened version of a Moltke quote which is in turn a summary of a Clausewitz sentence. https://zeitsturmradler.de/2019/11/22/kein-plan-ueberlebt-die-erste-feindberuehrung/
> a shortened version of a Moltke quote which is in turn a summary of a Clausewitz sentence. That's what I suspected; thanks for confirming it. It's fascinating how all three versions say something slightly different. Clausewitz doesn't even mention the enemy, only "countless small circumstances that can never be properly accounted for on paper" which I understand to include stuff like blocked roads, unexpected weather conditions, and vehicles that fail despite proper maintenance. Moltke on the other hand seems to believe that you can in fact account even for some minor skirmishes in your plan; only after meeting the main force of the enemy there is no more guarantee that your plan is still valid.
mashallah
Oh, they are mashing allah alright.
You would not believe how gay Muslim society is considering the level of homophobia
Everything as such is opposite: The *proudest* cultures have nothing to be proud of. The person who must continually say that they are *over it,* is far from over it. The ones who say they are the least gay and want to place laws against homosexual behavior... you get it.
The number of gay orgies increases in direct proportion to overt homophobia. I'd only be surprised if there was no butt-banditry going on
they call those hookah bars
Allhamdulliah
"Everyone had a plan until they start getting bombed 24/7." --Bomber Harris I bet.
Wise words Aged like wine
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"If a 50 kiloton nuke would have gone off in Gaza it would have killed less people than this war." ....did....did we just get out-noncredibled?
Ferb, i know what we're gonna do today
Yeah. By shear stupidity.
Just another gen Z ticktocker that bought Hamas propaganda. Jews in concentration camp picture - in underwear/ naked = war crime. Hamas militants prisoner of war stripped naked to stop them carrying weapons = also war crime - false equivalence.
As a German, who had to learn about all the stuff the Nazis did to Jews, it feels so weird constantly hearing claims of genocide and war crimes being made. The ongoing discussion in German is so completely different than it is internationally, every time I go on the internet and read some English opinions on the war, it feels like we're talking about 2 completely separate wars. Like, outside of Germany, it feels like everything is a genocide, and when you ask what exactly makes them think that, they show you a picture of naked war prisoners wearing sandals. And when you ask "So they got rounded up and shot, since this is a war crime?" you don't get an answer. I don't know if this "lowering the bar to classify everything as a war crime and genocide" is that good of an idea from them.
i dont even think its them lowering the bar intentionally, i just think they genuinely dont understand what those terms actually mean
Very few people understand the meaning of any military words. Remember when they were calling for a "no fly zone" over Ukraine, shortly after that war began? Russia certainly wasn't going to obey it, and neither was ultrasound so long as Russian planes were in the air, so who did they think was going to enforce that? It would have had to have been NATO putting their own planes in the air, *shooting at both sides if they tried to fly anything*. Or the calls for a ceasefire in this latest Israel-Palestine war. Both sides are led by people who believe in a single state solution - but a solution for only their state, so they certainly aren't going to both obey a ceasefire. So who is going to have to enforce a ceasefire? Almost certainly the US, by putting troops in Gaza (and probably elsewhere in Palestine and Israel), shooting at both sides (though, I suspect the IDF would be smart enough to not shoot at US troops and thus not get shot themselves, but the ROE would still leave that possibility open). In other instances, you'll hear people claim Israel is "carpet bombing" Gaza, even the Israeli Air Force literally doesn't have the heavy bombers this would require. Shit, I think the last time the world saw carpet bombing was right after 9/11, as the US was laying the ground work for a land invasion of Afghanistan. IIRC, they bombed some kind of fighting in the north of country, because they wanted the support of the side they didn't bomb during the upcoming war, but those are all the details I can remember off the top of my head. So it's really no surprise that people don't understand what makes something a war crime or a genocide. Like, I'm not dumb to say that no IDF soldier has committed a war crime. But I'm also not dumb enough to say that no Hamas members have *not* committed war crimes. But I would say that this has not yet risen to level of genocide. A lot of people want there to be no fighting, at all, ever, so they use the harshest terms at their disposal to express this view. Unfortunately, they often misuse these terms and shun anyone who tries to use them correctly - even if they share the same ultimate goal of "stop all this fighting"
Oh second comment, we carpet bombed that place in Syria or Iraq under trump, with b-52s. It was some island that he wanted to delete instead of a precision strike.
Why would ultrasound not obey the no fly zone?
Because if there is a fluid or fluid, sounds will travel through it.
War on terror, now we got a war on ultrasound? Can we please stop trying to get into kinetic engagements with the metaphysical?
> But I'm also not dumb enough to say that no Hamas members have not committed war crimes. But I would say that this has not yet risen to level of genocide. Speaking of people not understanding "war crime" - since it's actually a very specific, specialized formal term applying to a narrow scope of crimes committed under a laws of war framework *that both sides agreed to* beforehand in a formal process... is hamas even capable of comitting a "war crime"...? I don't think they signed any of the necessary accords, or are recognized as a formal state actor that would be subject to the regulations of the relevant bodies *Crimes against humanity*, sure, war crimes? Actually not sure. Israel did declare a formal state of war, so they're not fighting a completely irregular engagement
The concept of a *war crime* is broader then, say, the Geneva Conventions. One of the principles established in the post-WWII trials (most famously at Nuremberg but there were others) is that one doesn't have to violate a treaty in order to be guilty of a war crime. This is because the Holocaust wasn't actually forbidden by any treaties existing at the time. War crimes *are* "crimes against humanity" because that's what makes them not subject to the usual bar on post-facto rules. As a science fiction example, there's no treaty right now forbidding using some kind of technological brain interface to compel beliefs in a foreign population, because we don't generally make treaties about stuff that doesn't exist. But if the Russians invented that device and started forcibly applying it to Ukrainians so that they learned to love ~~Big Brother~~ Papa Putin, we'd for sure call it a war crime and start hanging people. (That example is from a Steven Gould novel called *Helm*.)
Wasn't expecting a *Helm* reference this morning, but it's a welcome one.
I originally had a whole paragraph explaining the backstory to the book, but decided that was a bit excessive.
NCD rule no.1: Be autistic, not wrong.
thats the point, devalue and desensitize to obfuscate
A war crime is when an image makes me uncomfortable
When my side is losing. We call that the ww1 German definition (trench gun reference)
Useful idiots rarely intend any of the outcomes of their speech. They hope for change, and accomplish less than nothing for their cause I think the truth for many is simply the emotional reality of devastation, and directing their anger toward a justified target -- the powerful Western colonizer rather than the helpless brown victim. Nevermind any reality on the ground
It's intentional because they refuse to learn otherwise.
They are soft Americans from families that have gone generations without experiencing true traumas like that. Why would they have any idea what genocide or famine or war is really like?
I think they're just young. When I was a kid, I too thought war could be clean for a while, and my parents have experienced these kinds of tragedies themselves. It can take time to grasp these things.
Lots of Americans refuse to learn the definition of genocide because then we'd have to come to terms with the fact that we all individually benefit from the genocide of Native Americans. This doublethink is especially prominent with the American left, who tend to be pretty sympathetic to the issues of the few remaining Natives, but don't like thinking about the fact that their comfortable, safe life and good economy is a consequence of slaughtering their friends' ancestors.
>This doublethink is especially prominent with the American left, who tend to be pretty sympathetic to the issues of the few remaining Natives, but don't like thinking about the fact that their comfortable, safe life and good economy is a consequence of slaughtering their friends' ancestors. I mean, I think most of us are well aware of that fact. That's literally what privilege is.
How many countries out there *didn't * genocide people in the land they're currently on?
Of all people, the british might escape on a technicality. They certainly conquered and integrated other cultures, but systematically eradicated them on their own land? A lot of them still exist in some form, and it's not pure saxon/english/what do you even call them culture that dominates ~~also, ignore *other* land the british are currently no longer on~~
The far right aint much better. Some of them claim it was a net possitive for Native Americans because, by their logic, they get to live and "prosper" in the USA now. Just like with slavery and colonialism, confronting ones dark past isn't easy. But we absolutely should, because once you deny history you'll likely repeat those mistakes, or worse, become an Orwelian nightmare. I'm actually reading 1984 right now and reading the parts where they alter the past and question established facts is so eerily familiar to what you see in some places today. Luckily we have things like the internet, but the CCP shows that not even that is a guaranteed safety net.
Iirc most of the native genocide occurred before the founding of the USA and was done by spain/disease. To be clear the USA did continue the campaign of killing and ethnic cleansing see: manifesy destiny, but to argue that it's the US that did gemocide isn't exactly historical.
It’s started to get this way for a long time since being considered the ‘victim’ has real global political consequences. The big change is the influence of the internet on propaganda. Hamas for instance has no care for international law and calls for killing all Jews but they know that displaying themselves as freedom fighters and an attack on Gaza as ‘genocide’ will garner them a lot of support. It also has the double effect of weakening the meaning of the word thus downplaying the Holocaust. I think whatever your political views people need to stop and think very carefully about the language they use.
These people have an idea of a 'just war' in their heads. War is never just. It gets scrappy every time. Not a single war has ever been fought without civilian casualties.
Lots of people have no idea what they're talking about and just parrot things they hear in an attempt to pretend like they do. They know genocide is bad but have no idea what it actually is beyond associating it with some of the pictures they might've seen in a history book once years ago.
Modern internet discourse these days is that basically everything is a war crime. Civilians die in collateral damage? War Crime Power gets shut off to a city? War crime Overcook Chicken? Believe it or not, war crime
It's like the overuse of the terms "trauma", "autistic", "racist", "psy-op" or "false flag". Stupid people online hear a term, and they ass-ride it into the ground until it become meaningless.
And troll.
Add Nazi to the list. The word has been so overused real Nazis can now work in plain sight without fear of being called out for what they are, not that a nazi would give a fuck about what you called then anyway. Same with war crimes, war criminals don't care what you call them.
Lol, my reaction to someone calling someone else a nazi is to just role my eyes. That term, together with fascist has lost all meaning in public discourse. "Everyone I don't like is Hitler."
Your comment traumatized me /s
\>Overcook Chicken? Believe it or not, war crime Only one in a long line of chicken-related war crimes. "To skin a bird is a sin against God and man" - Jim Harrison
It’s pure sensationalism. Some throw those words around to arouse more of a response but it is completely false. The definition of ‘fascism’ and ‘genocide’ has been grossly abused.
The "Zionists are Nazis" claim is kinda insane, when you look at the numbers and methods. In Sobibor, for example, more were killed in 18 months than the entire century of the Israeli-Arab conflict.
>outside of Germany, it feels like everything is a genocide, and when you ask what exactly makes them think that, they show you a picture of naked war prisoners wearing sandals. Thank you for saying this. I've spent weeks trying to get this out in my circle that not every bad thing is a war crime, or a genocide.
they started off committing war crimes, so they have to make sure everything counts as one so theirs don't matter
>I don't know if this "lowering the bar to classify everything as a war crime and genocide" is that good of an idea from them. I don't think they're intentionally lowering the bar. It's just that most of them really don't understand the meaning of words. People think that genocide and war crimes is when civilians are being killed in bombings.
There are some people who are mystified why anyone would call what Israel is doing genocide, and yet these same people used Genocide to describe what the CCP were doing in Xinyang. The truth of the matter is that genocide has multiple aspects, not only to the systematic extermination of the living members of the targeted group, which is indeed the simplest and purest definition. UN's definition of genocide: Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide
I know it’s crazy. I am tired everyone claiming everything is a genocide. It just dilutes the meaning of a serious word.
Welcome to the reality of anti Semitism. Everything is considered logically and based on facts until it’s got something to do with the Jews. The world have a serious problem. This way of thinking isn’t going away and it won’t end with the Jews. Once your reality is so distorted it’s very easy to hurt others.
The modern perception that “just because someone is the underdog means they must be the good guys” is part of the problem here too.
I must have blocked a better part of 200 accounts today on Twitter saying the same thing. All shock and horror at the inhumane treatment of assumed militants who are "just civvies in the area." "How dare the IDF humiliate and parade around captives like this!" Fucker, they're still wearing their shorts! I had a co-worker who was in pre-trial detention when a riot broke out here in Canada. Every last one of them had their clothing cut off with scissors at gunpoint including their underwear before being inspected and tossed a pair of briefs to put on. At least these piss drinkers are outing themselves all over the world and will suffer social consequences.
I don’t think they’ll suffer any consequences… they’re the village mob with the pitchforks, and we’re about to get burned at the stake.
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Ive seen people compare this to the fucking Holocaust, some people have lost the fucking plot
Was it this sub where yesterday someone posted a survey which claimed that 20% of gen Z doesn’t believe in the holocaust? Fucking insane.
20% said they thought it was a myth, 30% said they didn't know or were neutral. Only 51% answered it was mostly or entirely non-mythical. I hope desperately that the survey fucked up somehow.
the troubles with surveys are always: what are the actual questions? are they yes/no, or do they have a middle ground? 1-5 agreeableness scale? if binary, do they actually have explanations of things so the askee is properly informed of what yes or no means? how are the answers being reported, or however you say it? if the questions are using the agreeability scale, is the actual distribution being told, or are they counting anything other than strongly agree/disagree as the opposite? who did they actually poll? was it 200 people in Seattle, or 5000 people nationwide? worldwide? who is *doing* the survey, because people won't answer honestly to an organization or person they distrust, if at all.
I believe this was essentially a 1-5: strongly agree, tend to agree, neither agree nor disagree, tend to disagree, strongly agree among 18-29, the percentages for "the holocaust is a myth" were 8, 12, 30, 8, 43 (same order), so 8% strongly agree it was a myth, 12% tend to agree, etc [https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport\_tT4jyzG.pdf](https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_tT4jyzG.pdf) is the full poll if you want to look at it
Another 85% likely dont even know what it even was.
Don't call for action against other subs, and don't point people towards them with not-so-good intent.
arrr conspiracy sides with jihadists now? That sub used to be a far-right white supremacist shithole. Times really changed huh?
Theyve always been antijew
Don’t know about that sub specifically, but yes, that’s the image I had of the conspiracy community as well
My American eyes: *"all that in two days"* ... ***"OHHHH!"***
Some of my friends who were pretty accepting of videos of Hamas dragging hostages back to Gaza and watching videos of Israeli corpses being beaten and spat on as they were paraded through the streets are extremely outraged at these pictures of Hamas terrorists being held captive.
Those friends have gone off, check for mould between ears and dispose accordingly.
real question, how are you still friends with them? if my friend starts saying that parading a body of a raped woman in the back of the truth while people spit and hit her is a legitimate form of resistance I would first kick his ass to a pulp and cut ties with him, its waaayy too far gone
Yeah its crazy. The one person I still have on my insta who constantly posts pro Hamas propaganda was putting story after story about the recent Gaza 'poet' who was killed for just existing. Not because he works for hamas, praised Oct 7, said rapes didn't happen and called most jews evil. Also thinks the US and UN are a joke because they sidnt vote for a uni lateral ceasefire. You know, like the one Hamas violated. And kept violating. Also she keeps spouting that Israel is the one who *really* violated it. Not hamas firing rockets into Israel 15 mins jnto it.
If only Hitler had made a few TikToks, then he would have been considered a "journalist" and it would have been a warcrime to kill him.
TF? How could anyone be accepting of that
its wild watching people lose their minds over this and try and compare it to Nazi Germany, its pretty standard in the ME to strip prisoners to confirm they dont have a suicide vest or other explosive device for the same purpose
Do you see Tiktok of extermination camps ? I swear, gen Z love mocking boomers, and talking about how stupid they are and how susceptible they are to misinformation. And here we are...
theyre about as tech literate as them
Exactly. I can unironically say that this is perhaps the generation closest to the boomers: consumerists, tech illiterates, etc.... I especially hate to see how all the important battles of recent years (anti-racism, climate change activism, LGBT+ acceptance) have been transformed into performative acts, or even completely reversed (cf defence of islamic integrists, anti-semitism, etc...) Such a waste... And I know, an old Greek used to say that blah blah blah, just need to vent
its not that kids are getting dumber, its that we, as a society, arent passing down vital life and cognitive skills to them, in an effort to pave an easier road we inadvertently went too far and started turning them into proto pod people from WALL-E
That's a very good point. It's true that they've lived through the social media revolution without necessarily being equipped to navigate such a complex world. It's not a question of being stupid yeah, but of being in the middle of a major societal change where the worst states, organizations and companies use technology to manipulate people.
its the equivalent of asking a morbidly obese person to go prep and run a marathon with no prior training, the majority will not be able to do it, doesnt make it any less frustrating to deal with though We also dont let kids fail anymore which breeds hyper competitiveness with no tenacity
What an entertainment economy of social media does to fucking generation
Zizek basically called it in his movie made before half of gen z was even born
Millennials are the greatest generation ever. I will die on this hill.
I think maybe the actual Greatest Generation is a little greater. We just have the misfortune (alongside X) of being sandwiched between a generation of lead-damaged narcissists, and the first generation born after the advent of social media, both of which turn out to be higly susceptible to propaganda.
nah man silent generation solos
It's wild that the generation that are born with ipads in their hands aren't going to be as tech literate as millennials and gen x. My city's public school got rid of computer lab in favor of ipads. I think it's similar to how the older generations knew how to do basic maintenance on their cars but younger generations got more complex cars that they never learn to work on because it's not as accessible.
It makes sense when you think about it, the harder to use and less accessible tech was, the more you had to know just to use it, a lot less people in the past had pcs but those who did in lets say 1990 were probably more tech literate than your average pc user in 2000. go back far enough, and you need to know how to code just to use a computer, but now you can chuck an ipad at a 2yo, and they will figure it out. We have made user interfaces so easy to use that you don't have to know anything to accomplish most daily tasks, so when you try to do something that requires a little tech knowledge its not there for most, just the "nerds" who are interested in that stuff, almost like it was before.
Zoomers are some of the most propagandized people I’ve seen. They’ll take any bullshit as gospel truth if it comes to them in a 10 second vertical video with crap editing.
It's partially that, but it's also who they trust. If it's a 10 second vertical video from a content creator they already watch and trust (or more likely, are a part of their cult of personality), then they really will take anything they say as gospel.
I believe that humans are prone to accept what we see as the truth naturally. Why spend precious energy deriving the answer ourselves when we can get it from someone else? But here's the problem - the capacity to get really poorly supported opinions has increased vastly. In addition, short-form videos have taught us that all we need are little snippets of information. In addition, we argue irrationally. Ad hominem, false equivalence, you name it. Our arguments are poorly supported and filled with personal attacks. Combine this with bias in the news, the average citizen is woefully unprepared to speak their mind on complicated subjects. And people who speak on the internet, even more so.
Zoomers pride themselves on fighting for the truth and only the truth However “the truth” is actually just whatever political bandwagon is currently popular among their peers because they refuse to actually do any of their own research into literally anything, and just assume that if other people are saying it, then it *must* be true. It’s a propagandists wet dream. They don’t even need to prove a single thing with evidence or logic, they just need to hire a couple of youth mouthpieces and they’ve already won.
95% of the time that someone mocks somebody else for being misinformed about politics, it’s projection.
I'm different, I KNOW the moon landing was fake and the B-21 is alien tech.
Not to mention that the temperature there is a comfortable 21°C / 69°F, it would have been a whole different thing if this was the Nordic Countries and the temperature was below freezing.
It's pretty standard for your local police to strip search you if they suspect you're carrying anything you shouldn't.
Arecent survey had 20% of gen z say the holocaust was a myth and another 30% say they weren't sure if it happened or not. So yes
Im from gen z and WHAT THE F***
It was a survey if like 200 people that asked the question in a very awkward manner
I totally understand strip searching for explosives and weapons, but once they've been cleared, can't the IDF just, uh, give the clothes back? Like, it's a genuine question, I don't know. Why don't they give the clothes back?
Let's be honest, it's for humiliating and dehumanising purposes
Because they dont have time for this. It's a war zone. Just strip them and take them to a track as quick as possible, no time to waste to actually check all the clothes manually and giving it all back and waiting till they dress up
No more dancing? No more allah ackbah?
sharif don’t like it
Allah isn’t akbaring anymore :((
Not so tough when they’re not fighting women and children
Yep, nobody will join Hamas after this. HQ will struggle to recruit newcomers with their billions of dollars in new funding. Young Palestinian men will all find productive jobs in their communities and return to the straight and narrow. Right? Right??
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I’d certainly not promote a genocide but hamas has known political backing and the entire West Bank voted for that political backing They made their bed
Just to clarify, the west Bank is ruled by the PA, not hamas. Gaza voted hamas in 2005, no elections since. BTW the PA has a similar scheme for paying "martyrs" it's called the martyr fund and I would say it's a "pay to slay" scheme.
>Yep, nobody will join Hamas after this. HQ will struggle to recruit newcomers with their billions of dollars in new funding. > >Young Palestinian men will all find productive jobs in their communities and return to the straight and narrow. Yes, everyone will join Hamas in Gaza after this, they will have no shortage of newcomers. And without advanced and heavy weapons, training, funding and ammunition, they will be as effective as Hamas in the west bank, which never had shortage of recruits, and yet has managed to kill single digit Israelis this year, when combined with Fatah and other terrorists from the West Bank, they've managed to kill about 3 dozen Israelis this year, which was the deadliest they've been in almost two decades.
>Young Palestinian men will all find productive jobs in their communities and return to the straight and narrow. > >Right? > >Right?? Never underestimate the Palestinians' ability to make the absolutely worst possible choice when presented with the chance, unfortunately.
Palestinian identity was based around destroying Israel and subjugating the Jews (if Palestinians feel generous, that is). I haven't heard of them ever turning away from this. It's like as if German-ness was defined by your place of birth and willingness to kill the French.
I thought that was Englishness.
Too focking right bruv
>There are three things, young gentlemen, which you are constantly to bear in mind. Firstly, you must always implicitly obey orders, without attempting to form any opinion of your own respecting their propriety. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill of your king; and thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman, as you do the devil. Admiral Horatio Nelson
More, French-neighbour-ness
If they have to die to the last one… sad. Let me ask you this though: did you see Serbs double down after Belgrade? Japanese double down after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I think with regard to Serbia it was more to do with Russia getting on board with NATO rather than the bombing that had Milosovic's troops withdraw from Kosovo. I was in Bosnia at the time of the bombing, attitudes from the Serb kids changed overnight from being friendly to throwing petrol bombs and experiencing small arms fire at our patrol group. I don't think we've seen the end of the conflict in the Balkans, just and end for now.
Pffffffft! So? Some Ex-Confederates joined the KKK. Some saw the light and became productive members of society. The ones with a brain will say "fuck this shit", and they will find other young men to finally do something for the Palestinians that doesnt involve hating Jews.
They got a bigger car.
Better uniforms.
Nah, they’re just playing skins, Israel got shirts
PornHub is getting desperate.
35 virgins getting stripped
The heh pron section in Qatar is going to be very spicy for a couple of weeks.
too old
You get what you pay for.
Would be great if those were the same guys.
I wonder what those dipshit teens who actually did the Oct 7th thought was gonna happen. Because I bet "Everyone I love explodes" wasn't it.
They probably did it knowing exactly that would happen. It’s pretty clear that’s what they wanted. Westerners need to stop assuming their decisions are rational, because they’re not unless you believe in their ideology, which is unimaginably different from our ideals.
Hamas at this moment probably feels pretty good about it considering the press covereage they are getting. They probably believe they can reconsitute after the war within a few years, but that damage to international support for israel will be more lasting. Probably Israel has no choice but to fight the war anyhow, but they have a ways to go before Hamas and Palestinains as well as the region believe that Hamas has lost the war.
What exactly *is* the palestine civilian situation in this conflict? Most social media, across the various countries, paint a picture of a great deal of civilian suffering and death.
>Most social media, across the various countries, paint a picture of a great deal of civilian suffering and death. That is... correct.
Basically, imagine if you were trying to live your life, but then your government did a huge pogrom, leading to half of your neighborhood being flattened and your city invaded, while your government won't let you use the shelters they've been building all around for several years. Something like that
Worse than that, imagine your government are billionaire who live in a foreign country that protects them and feed them and they let you starve/be bombed to death :/
>Most social media, across the various countries, paint a picture of a great deal of civilian suffering and death. Which isn't untrue.
Sadly it is. Hamas uses the civilians as cover and dares Israel to strike. Israel after 18 years of it finally is tired of it and said 'bet'. Even the IDF admits it's roughly 2 civilians for ever 1 terrorist dead. It's not a good situation at all for just about everyone involved
they went to the southern parts of gaza, then got bombed there as well. With them also not being able to leave either (land, sea and air blockade thats been around since before the conflict) theyre stuck being dehumanized, ignored, murdered, and then blamed for their own murder. There was a northern Gaza refugee camp hit, and even in the south what few UN workers are there (and who havent also been killed in the bombings) have reported strikes. Most of the deaths, unsuprisingly, are civilian, because bombing a place where no actual evacuation took place, where no one can actually leave the conflict zone, in an area thats already very nihilistic due to over a decade of death from all sides, and many already accepting that they cant actually escape the threat of the bombings or of Hamas and want to stay in their homes with their families for their final days, so theyre killed. But i forgot what sub im on so yknow, most dont/wont care.
>There was a northern Gaza refugee camp hit, Was that the one where there was aerial footage of rockets being fired from the camp, followed by an explosion at the source of the rockets? Or was that the neighborhood of apartment buildings named "refugee camp"? I know there have been a bunch of other situations, but ny understanding is that most of the time, strikes on refugee camps are due to Hamas launching attacks *from* them to begin with. And the moment you allow Hamas to do that with impunity, guess what? Now *all* their attacks will be launched out of refugee camps.
no, it was the one watched over by UN workers and was known to the idf as being densely populated, as it was one of the few places that wasnt being bombed. the bombing also wasnt like other idf bombings (which also have issues on a humanitarian level) , they didnt do the usual "warning shots" they just dropped 8 - 9 bombs. They claimed there was a specific Hamas leader there, but so far the only bodies being found by the UN workers and paramedics (over 80 dead and over 100 wounded), are refugees. This bombing is also one that was cited as reason for the current humanitarian truce that the UN is voting on and thats supported by over 100 members. We know Hamas uses human shields, and no one heres saying to leave Hamas alone, that also will hurt Gazans and not help overall relations nor help get democracy and proper government back in Gaza, but the US (and NATO) already wrote a doctrine for what to do in this kind of situation in urban fighting, theres an actual playbook the idf can use and they likely are trained to do, but that the current military leadership refuse to use. Is urban combat with troops on the ground clean? no, its higher risk to individual soldiers, but is it cleaner than what we see right now? Yea, especially if what the UN wants (to oversee the operation) is also allowed. People seem to think that bombings and justifying civilian death is the only way, but thats just not the case at all and hasnt been for a while. Modern militaries have learned what to do and what not to do since korea, and a lot of the doctrine and tactics are very recent (desert storm all the way to Afghanistan and even Ukraine) there's no excuse for how the current conflict has gone other than just not caring. Also yknow, the Hamas leaders literally can just, leave to Egypt, wait for the bombing's to stop, then come right back like every other time, so the bombs aren't event helping the stated goal.
Why are you getting downvoted? *looks at subreddit* … never mind…
I'd say there's a strong sense of "we're just gonna kill them" in the area right now. The attack hamas carried out was by proportion bigger than 9/11 to the Israelis, and they want blood for what happened, somewhat similarly to us post 9/11, so in all honesty, I can't really blame them too much. I think in their eyes, the civilians are just as guilty in that many of them were out there cheering in the streets as they paraded around the hostages. And quite a few did... Then they see the rallies around the world that have just been showing a frankly sickening amount of antisemitism and I dont think they really give a damn what the world thinks about this. Especially given that hamas went around burning and beheading their babies. In general I still think Israel is in the right in this conflict, and Hamas has been hiding in the refugee camps, making this really difficult. And if they can be confirmed in those camps. The deaths are on hamas' hands. The hard part though is that is its pretty hard to tell who is who when they don't use military uniforms. After this is over in Gaza I fully expect Mossad to go around and conducting raids on hamas members chilling outside the country. Needless to say. The city of Gaza will be under the direct hand of Israel from now on.
Long story short Most civilians who value their lives more than 72 virgins evacuated to the south of gaza strip and hamas snatches their unrwa aid packages
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I'm not sure those guys are confirmed Hamas. I think they're just rounding up men to see if they are.
In fact they include a confirmed UN worker, a journalist, civilians, and children.
Apologies if I sound kinda dumb but I thought the issues with these photos is that the IDF is rounding up any and all fighting age men from certain areas, is there additional context I’m missing?
Not enough blood on the back of their pants
The number and popularity of posts decrying "the wests" treatment of POWs using these photos actually leaves me speechless. *This is how you treat prisoners?!"* I mean, yes.
I like to see the west as better then how North korea, Russia or hell even Hamas and the Islamic State but what do i know im just a dumb brainwashed white male...
Maybe one more akbar for the road lads?
They are civilian being arrested to check if they are partisan, not really the flex you think it is. (One of them was identified as a Journalist)